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DA FOREHAND
Jul 28th, 2003, 02:40 PM
Martina N. 82-84
Graf 88,89,94,95,96,
Monica 91,92, 93*
ASV 94
Hingis 97,98
Davenport 99
Venus 00,01
Capriati 00,01
Serena 02,03

great smash
Jul 28th, 2003, 02:43 PM
As you wish, everything depends on the definition of great you prefer to use.

By your definition at most two people per year can have a great season.
As far as I'm concerned three players have had a great year so far.

mboyle
Jul 28th, 2003, 02:43 PM
I agree w/ the exception of Cappy 2000. She had a good beginning, but then did decently the rest of the year. Her only truly great seasons were 1991 and 2001:sad: .

MartinaI
Jul 28th, 2003, 02:47 PM
Hingis 97 (3 GS, 9 tour titles), 98 (1 GS, 4 tour titles inc Chase Champs), 99 (1 GS, 6 tour titles), 00 (10 tour titles inc Chase Champs)

Obviously I am biased!! BTW Venus only had great end June-end September in both 2000 and 2001, so not a whole season. I know you'll probably tear me apart for saying that but it is true, and yes she did have a fantastic run.

bandabou
Jul 28th, 2003, 02:50 PM
I donīt really think that Jenīs ī01 was that great, īcause after all she only had three titles!! I think Serenaīs 02 was even way better/ greater than Venus run during the summer/ fall in ī00.

great smash
Jul 28th, 2003, 02:55 PM
I donīt really think that Jenīs ī01 was that great, īcause after all she only had three titles!! I think Serenaīs 02 was even way better/ greater than Venus run during the summer/ fall in ī00.

I think you better start deciding what's really important.

When talking about Kim, she has the titles but no GS, therefore no great season.

When you bring up someone with 2 GS + 1 title, again no great season?

alfajeffster
Jul 28th, 2003, 02:57 PM
From the Australian Open in 1969 to the French Open in 1971, Margaret Court lost only one- YES ONE match in Grand Slam play:

1969 WON Australian (def. Billie Jean King)
1969 WON French (def. Ann Haydon Jones)
1969 SF Wimbledon (lost to champion Ann Haydon Jones)
1969 WON U.S. Open (def. Nancy Richey)
1970 WON Australian (def. Kerry Melville)
1970 WON French (def. Helga Masthoff Niessen)
1970 WON Wimbledon (def. Billie Jean King)
1970 WON U.S. Open (def. Rosie Casals)
1971 WON Australian (def. Evonne Goolagong)

THAT WAS AN AMAZING RUN!!!

Spirit
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:01 PM
DF, shame on you for forgetting Monica. :p

1991 and 1992.

Diya
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:05 PM
He is a Steffi fan remember ? :p

DA FOREHAND
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:06 PM
My bad that was a terrible oversite.

MONICA SELES 91-92...(93 A.o. what other titles?)

I don't care if a player didn't play a complete sesaon, if she won two slams she had a great season.

Notice I only put Slam champions on my list

ASV 94

Filip!
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:31 PM
I think you better start deciding what's really important.

When talking about Kim, she has the titles but no GS, therefore no great season.

When you bring up someone with 2 GS + 1 title, again no great season?

8 titles
2 grand slam semifinals
1 grand slam final

That's not great ?

bandabou
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:35 PM
I only said that Jenīs ī01 season wasnīt that great in comparison to other great years. Never said that Kimīs play this year warrants nomination for a great year. If you compare the great years all had more than 3 titles, in combination with slams. 3 titles are a bit too little IMO.

DA FOREHAND
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:36 PM
NO FRAID NOT!

That's good ...not GREAT...

alfajeffster
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:38 PM
I agree DF- kind of pales in comparison to Die Grafin's worst years

DA FOREHAND
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:39 PM
IF

Kim wins a slam this year, she'd def. make the list, but that's the difference between a good year and a great year.

I can't think of a single player in the open -era who was considered GREAT, yet never won a slam, of course that doesn't mean all those who have managed to win a slam are considered great either. Kim has time on her side, but she hasn't earned a nomination ...

YET

Mattographer
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:40 PM
Amanda Coetzer's 1997 season

DA FOREHAND
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:42 PM
Again that was great..............FOR HER

alfajeffster
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:47 PM
I think the best player in the Open Era to have never won a major is Rosie Casals- she beat all the best players in the world at one time or another- Court, King, Evert, Goolagong, Wade, but never made it past them in a Grand Slam Final (lost U.S. Open 70 to Court, 71 to King)

disposablehero
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:51 PM
Martina N. 82-84
Graf 88,89,94,95,96,
Hingis 97,98
Davenport 99
Venus 00,01
Capriati 00,01
Serena 02,03

So you would rank Jen's 2000 as a better season than Monica's 91 or 92? Glad to see we are dealing with an expert.

DA FOREHAND
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:54 PM
If you read the entire thread disposeable, you would see i ammended my list due to that ommission!

Ryan
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:56 PM
So you would rank Jen's 2000 as a better season than Monica's 91 or 92? Glad to see we are dealing with an expert.


He mentioned Monica in a later post after someone mentioned him missing it.

DA FOREHAND
Jul 28th, 2003, 03:57 PM
I have edited my original post happy now.

disposablehero
Jul 28th, 2003, 04:22 PM
Good work. However, since Jen won a Slam in 02 and essentially fuck all in 00, I still don't think its a particularly good list. If you are going to start a thread to validate your "Kim should not be #1" thesis, you will be more effective if your thread is credible.

irma
Jul 28th, 2003, 04:23 PM
steffi's 94 season was great?

lol :o

disposablehero
Jul 28th, 2003, 04:25 PM
steffi's 94 season was great?

lol :o

Yes Irma, but not 87. And apparently Martina stopped being effective after 84.

irma
Jul 28th, 2003, 04:35 PM
yeah steffi was in the form of her life in 94 especially after the us open. never saw her play that well;)

irma
Jul 28th, 2003, 04:36 PM
or wimbledon or that famous match against joannette kruger at the french wich I apparently only remember. high quality;)

selesrules
Jul 28th, 2003, 04:39 PM
Monica's great seasons with 2 slams and more: 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96

Steffi's great seasons with 2 slams and more: 88, 89

DA FOREHAND
Jul 28th, 2003, 04:39 PM
Good work. However, since Jen won a Slam in 02 and essentially fuck all in 00, I still don't think its a particularly good list. If you are going to start a thread to validate your "Kim should not be #1" thesis, you will be more effective if your thread is credible.


You've never read a post by me saying Kim is undeserving of number one.That barking comes from the Serena fans. I'm a Venus fan.

alfajeffster
Jul 28th, 2003, 04:49 PM
Monica's great seasons with 2 slams and more: 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96

Steffi's great seasons with 2 slams and more: 88, 89


I don't know who's been putting what in your coffee, but Monica didn't win any slams in 94 or 95

irma
Jul 28th, 2003, 04:50 PM
he went through a trauma in the last week don't be hard on him;)

bandabou
Jul 28th, 2003, 05:08 PM
Always Seles vs Graf....get over it.

alfajeffster
Jul 28th, 2003, 05:09 PM
Okay, I'll ease up and spout more stats:

Players who won 3 or more majors in the same year since 1960:

1962: Margaret Smith
1965: Margaret Smith
1969: Margaret Smith Court
1970: Margaret Smith Court
1973: Margaret Smith Court
1983: Martina Navratilova
1984: Martina Navratilova
1988: Steffi Graf
1989: Steffi Graf
1991: Monica Seles
1992: Monica Seles
1993: Steffi Graf
1995: Steffi Graf
1996: Steffi Graf
1997: Martina Hingis
2002: Serena Williams

There are some VERY conspicuous names missing

disposablehero
Jul 29th, 2003, 03:16 AM
Okay, I'll ease up and spout more stats:

Players who won 3 or more majors in the same year since 1960:

1962: Margaret Smith
1965: Margaret Smith
1969: Margaret Smith Court
1970: Margaret Smith Court
1973: Margaret Smith Court
1983: Martina Navratilova
1984: Martina Navratilova
1988: Steffi Graf
1989: Steffi Graf
1991: Monica Seles
1992: Monica Seles
1993: Steffi Graf
1995: Steffi Graf
1996: Steffi Graf
1997: Martina Hingis
2002: Serena Williams

There are some VERY conspicuous names missing

Yes, like Billie Jean King and Chris Evert for starters. And the 90's are somewhat of an anomoly. Someone won 3 Slams 4 of the 5 years after Monica's attempted murder. I doubt Monica would have won 3 Slams in 4 years out of 5, and probably no one else would have won 3 in a year during that time.

Fingon
Jul 29th, 2003, 03:19 AM
Monica's great seasons with 2 slams and more: 91, 92, 93, 94, 95, 96

Steffi's great seasons with 2 slams and more: 88, 89

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