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Josh
Jul 12th, 2003, 02:47 PM
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Guy Verhofstadt : Prime Minister (VLD)

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Patrick Dewael : Interior Minister (VLD)

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Marc Verwilghen : Minister of Foreign Aid (VLD)

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Fientje Moerman : Minister of Economical Affairs, Scientific Research and Foreign Trade (VLD)

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Vincent Van Quickenborne : Secretary of State For Administrative Simplification (VLD)

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Louis Michel : Minister of Foreign Affairs (MR)

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Didier Reynders : Minister of Finances (MR)

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Sabine Laruelle : Minister of the Self-employed and Agriculture (MR)

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Jacques Simonet : Secretary of State for European Affairs (MR)

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Hervé Jamar : Secretary of State for the Modernisation of Finances and the battle against Fiscal Fraude (MR)

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Freya Van den Bossche : Minister of the Environment, Consumer Affairs and Telecommunication (SP.a)

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Johan Vande Lanotte : Minister of Budget (SP.a)

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Frank Vandenbroucke : Minister of Employment and Pensions (SP.a)

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Peter Vanvelthoven : Secretary of State for E-Government and I-Technology (SP.a)

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Anissa Temsamani : Secretary of State for the Well-Being at the Work Place (SP.a)

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Bert Anciaux : Minister of Mobility and Social Economy (Spirit)

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Laurette Onkelinx : Minister of Justice (PS)

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André Flahaut : Minister of Defense (PS)

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Rudy Demotte : Minister of Social Security and Health Care (PS)

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Marie Arena : Minister of Civil Service, Integration and Urban Development (PS)

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Isabelle Simonis : Secretary of State for the Family and Disabled People (PS)

E. Blackadder
Jul 12th, 2003, 02:48 PM
Go Johan. He's the only one I like :o

Josh
Jul 12th, 2003, 02:51 PM
Quite a few surprises...

Marc :rolleyes:
Vincent :eek:
Freya :o
Marie :o

E. Blackadder
Jul 12th, 2003, 02:52 PM
Didn't they want to use Freya next year? I thought she declined a ministerposition :o

Josh
Jul 12th, 2003, 02:53 PM
I don't think she declined but how long has she been into politics for crying out loud?

Josh
Jul 12th, 2003, 02:55 PM
I'm glad they put Laurette on Justice though, Verwilghen was totally incompetent on that department. I hope he does better on foreign aid but it doesn't look like they will put much effort into that department since they put him there. :rolleyes:

E. Blackadder
Jul 12th, 2003, 03:03 PM
Bert :o

E. Blackadder
Jul 12th, 2003, 03:04 PM
still glad to see Didier on finance again. He was one of the better :)

baico
Jul 12th, 2003, 03:20 PM
Freya :hearts:

2ace2
Jul 12th, 2003, 05:06 PM
I can live with it. But I hope the VLD will have the most to say though

Josh
Jul 12th, 2003, 05:56 PM
Well it looks like the socialists have the strongest personalities once again. :D

Josh
Jul 12th, 2003, 06:03 PM
Freya :hearts:

And that's the reason why she's there. :lol:

carot
Jul 12th, 2003, 07:57 PM
Q :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Michel :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Freya :rolleyes:

i'm just glad they took that idiot Vandenbroucke away from Social Security and Health Care :bounce: :bounce: :D

Elske
Jul 12th, 2003, 08:00 PM
Fientje :worship: :clap2: :woohoo: :yeah: :bowdown: :yippee: :bounce:

Bert :unsure:

spudrsca
Jul 12th, 2003, 08:03 PM
Glad for Didier Reynders :worship: :worship: and Verhofstadt.
Don't know what to think about Dewael :confused:

carot
Jul 12th, 2003, 09:05 PM
Fientje :worship: :clap2: :woohoo: :yeah: :bowdown: :yippee: :bounce:

Bert :unsure:

oops, i forgot a few :rolleyes:'es for Bert... i guess he's just quantité négligeable for moi ;)

gmt
Jul 13th, 2003, 06:34 AM
Here, here, another cultural difference between Belgium and France - we hardly ever call our ministers by their first name ;)

Stijn
Jul 13th, 2003, 11:28 AM
Lots of new, young faces. That's a good thing, but will they be able to handle it all? I have my doubts about a few people. Oh and how long will it take before Bert has another identity crises?
Once again, you can see how big the powers of the PS are. Somehow I'm not too happy about it.

arn
Jul 13th, 2003, 12:21 PM
I don't think she declined but how long has she been into politics for crying out loud?

Completely made by the media! :(

arn
Jul 13th, 2003, 12:23 PM
And how many of them have family who was in politics before they got in? It's all about connections!

tfannis
Jul 13th, 2003, 12:51 PM
Guy Verhofstadt : Prime Minister (VLD) I'm not pro-VLD but he was the prime minister of the best gouvernement ( not a perfect one off course...just not as worse as the ones before) in a few decades (thank god the CVP/CD&V dominance is over :worship: )
Patrick Dewael : Interior Minister (VLD) Urgh...we'll see I guess :o
Marc Verwilghen : Minister of Foreign Aid (VLD) O M G This creep is still minister?!? :eek: Foreign Aid deserves better :sad:
Fientje Moerman : Minister of Economical Affairs, Scientific Research and Foreign Trade (VLD) we'll see
Vincent Van Quickenborne : Secretary of State For Administrative Simplification (VLD) what is there to say *sigh* :(
Louis Michel : Minister of Foreign Affairs (MR) :) He did well...I'm actually happy with this one :D
Didier Reynders : Minister of Finances (MR) okidoki ;)
Sabine Laruelle : Minister of the Self-employed and Agriculture (MR) we'll see :confused:
Jacques Simonet : Secretary of State for European Affairs (MR) we'll see ;)
Hervé Jamar : Secretary of State for the Modernisation of Finances and the battle against Fiscal Fraude (MR) again...we'll see ;)
Freya Van den Bossche : Minister of the Environment, Consumer Affairs and Telecommunication (SP.a) Not as worse as "Q" I guess but this is somewhat :eek: I hope she does well...but she hasn't proven a thing yet and she doesn't have a lot of experience...luckily her dad has so hopefully she has learned something from him...;and she was a member of the best city council :)
Johan Vande Lanotte : Minister of Budget (SP.a) GREAT :D:D:D
Frank Vandenbroucke : Minister of Employment and Pensions (SP.a) aaargh why didn't he get everything he had in the previous gouvernement...he and Johan were the best ministers BY FAR...I hope he continues his good work :):worship:
Peter Vanvelthoven : Secretary of State for E-Government and I-Technology (SP.a) we'll see
Anissa Temsamani : Secretary of State for the Well-Being at the Work Place (SP.a) we'll see
Bert Anciaux : Minister of Mobility and Social Economy (Spirit) o-oh :eek:
Laurette Onkelinx : Minister of Justice (PS) A socialist on Justice :D great :)
André Flahaut : Minister of Defense (PS) okidoki :)
Rudy Demotte : Minister of Social Security and Health Care (PS) Social affaires divided between the socialists :):)
Marie Arena : Minister of Civil Service, Integration and Urban Development (PS) we'll see
Isabelle Simonis : Secretary of State for the Family and Disabled People (PS) we'll see :)

Weather I like this gouvernement or not depends on the 4 next years...so overall...we'll see ;)

nicky
Jul 13th, 2003, 01:04 PM
And how many of them have family who was in politics before they got in? It's all about connections!

I don't think that's completely true. Of course it helps to have a "known" name, but you still have to do it.
And look at it this way,having family in politics can make you interested, like in every profession. Like the doctors kid studying medicine...

Completely made by the media! :(

Ok, Freya did get a lot of help from the media. But she still has something to say, I've seen her debating with far more experienced politicians and standing her ground very well. And I think she did a fairly good job in Gent.
But allthough I think she's good, I also think things are going too fast for her. Once something goes wrong - and that is bound to happen, everybody makes mistakes- she might suffer more because of this.


And as far as the new government is concerned, we'll just have to wait and see I guess.
Just wondering how the PS ministers in the social departments will work out...I'd have preferred Vandenbroucke keeping his department. He was known to look scrupulously after expenditure in health care...

gmt
Jul 13th, 2003, 03:04 PM
OK, here is for the unfortunate non-Belgians who don't know what Freya looks like :cool:
http://belgianbabes.t35.com:8000/Freya%20Vandebossche/freya1.html
"Belgian Babes" :rolleyes:

arn
Jul 13th, 2003, 03:40 PM
I don't think that's completely true. Of course it helps to have a "known" name, but you still have to do it.
And look at it this way,having family in politics can make you interested, like in every profession. Like the doctors kid studying medicine.

I agree you still have to do it and it's normal having a dad working as minister can make you interested, but it was just something striking to me. I think it's a bit sad the 'Americanasation' of politics is know infiltratring in the federal govournment. I don't say sons or daughters (who have a famous name what's waaaaaaaaay easier to attract votes) of a past minister are not competent, it just makes me a bit sceptical. Also, the past 'sons and daughters' were not the best examples IMHO (e.g. Vanderpoorten)


Ok, Freya did get a lot of help from the media. But she still has something to say, I've seen her debating with far more experienced politicians and standing her ground very well. And I think she did a fairly good job in Gent.
But allthough I think she's good, I also think things are going too fast for her. Once something goes wrong - and that is bound to happen, everybody makes mistakes- she might suffer more because of this.


I agree with you on this one. I also think she is competent. But I consider her a rough diamant. I think she still has a great deal to learn (sometimes too naieve and idealistic) and I hope this lack of experience will not results in the kind of mistakes some Agalev/Ecolo ministers made.

gentenaire
Jul 14th, 2003, 06:05 AM
Idiot Vandenbroucke, carot?

Vandenbroucke's the best minister we have at the moment. Pensions is a very touchy subject, I'm glad it went to someone competent.

Quicky? :eek:

Fientje Moerman: De Standaard published a report of all the member of parliament, how well they were doing their job and Fientje got a very high score. So she may be a very good newcomer.

I'm surprised at Freya. I think she's still a bit too young and needs more experience. Like my sister says, all ministers should lead a company first for a few years before trying to lead a country. But at least we know that she didn't do a bad job in Ghent.

And Bertje and Verwilghen :rolleyes: I guess they had to give them 'something', I'd rather they didn't get anything at all, alas...

I wish they'd taken Michel away from foreign affairs.

The Crow
Jul 14th, 2003, 09:06 AM
Woohoo Quicky :d I'll think he'll do a great job. Don't like Dewael at all. And Verwighen OMG! :( Not really enough into politics to know who are good candidates really...

rand
Jul 14th, 2003, 09:18 AM
we'll see....i'm not too enthusiastic i must say...especially not about het regeerakkoord....

gentenaire
Jul 14th, 2003, 09:23 AM
And how many of them have family who was in politics before they got in? It's all about connections!

That's not entirely true. It's very common for children to study/work in the same field as their parents. That's the world they're used to, the world they know.
In my family, apart from one brother, we all studied something that has to do with the world of construction. My uncle, who's a surgeon, all his children are either doctors or pharmasists. Our current plumber is the son of our old plumber and everyone in that family is a plumber.

Why should it be different for politics?

Besides, I think Freya's looks have helped her a lot more than her name.

rand
Jul 14th, 2003, 09:25 AM
Idiot Vandenbroucke, carot?

Vandenbroucke's the best minister we have at the moment. Pensions is a very touchy subject, I'm glad it went to someone competent.

Quicky? :eek:

Fientje Moerman: De Standaard published a report of all the member of parliament, how well they were doing their job and Fientje got a very high score. So she may be a very good newcomer.

I'm surprised at Freya. I think she's still a bit too young and needs more experience. Like my sister says, all ministers should lead a company first for a few years before trying to lead a country. But at least we know that she didn't do a bad job in Ghent.

And Bertje and Verwilghen :rolleyes: I guess they had to give them 'something', I'd rather they didn't get anything at all, alas...

I wish they'd taken Michel away from foreign affairs.
I agree completely with tine (again) :)

carot
Jul 14th, 2003, 10:09 AM
Idiot Vandenbroucke, carot?


I'm not gonna repeat myself, we had this discussion in FC before. ;) VDB really sucked at Health care for people like me who need it.

And if i want to call someone who burns money an idiot, then i don't think anyone can call that misplaced.

carot
Jul 14th, 2003, 10:10 AM
(i bet he's gonna burn the money from the zilverfonds in winter when he's cold :rolleyes: )

arn
Jul 14th, 2003, 02:44 PM
My father (he's a physiotherapist) is completely against Vandenbroecke. He reduced the number of visits payed back to the patients and the paperwork (a lot of it totally not necessarry) went x4. Since a year or so, my father only makes 3/4 to 1/2 of the money he earned soms years ago. For our family it's a big adjustment. It's something ALL the physiotherapists are feeling.

arn
Jul 14th, 2003, 02:51 PM
That's not entirely true. It's very common for children to study/work in the same field as their parents. That's the world they're used to, the world they know.
In my family, apart from one brother, we all studied something that has to do with the world of construction. My uncle, who's a surgeon, all his children are either doctors or pharmasists. Our current plumber is the son of our old plumber and everyone in that family is a plumber.

Why should it be different for politics?

Besides, I think Freya's looks have helped her a lot more than her name.

I agree for the most, but politics IS a bit diferent. To become a plumber, to do something in construction, you still need some sort of degree. You have to proove yourself. In politics only your name can help you a lot even without having all the necesary skills. I know, on federal level this will probably not be the case, still a stay sceptical.

Elke
Jul 14th, 2003, 03:25 PM
I really don't envy Van de Lanotte, he has a HUGE job to do: begroting and NMBS! :eek:
I think we'll just have to wait and see...

arn
Jul 14th, 2003, 03:29 PM
Well , because the NMBS will make a biiiiiiiiiiiig hole in de begroting, those 2 perfectly fit together ;) ;)

Ted of Teds Tennis
Jul 14th, 2003, 06:53 PM
Am I missing something, or does Belgium, a country of ~10 million people, have a larger Cabinet than the USA, with its 280 million people? If I'm not mistaken, our Cabinet has 14 Secretaries plus the President (and some include the Vice-President as well), while Belgium seems to have 21 ministers.

What's the different between the budget and finance ministers? Or Hervé Jamar's ministry of "financial modernisation" (whatever that is) :confused: And couldn't the anti-fraud part of that ministry be subsumed by the justice ministry?

What does the interior minister do? I thought in other European countries, the interior minister was another name for what we'd call the Attorney General here in the States, with our Interior Department being roughly equivalent to your environment ministry.

Environment, consumer affairs, and telecommunications all part of the same ministry? :confused: :rolleyes:

And there's a "Secretary of State for the Well-Being at the Work Place" and a "Minister of Mobility and Social Economy"? If I disagree with this minister's actions, does that mean I believe in antisocial economy? :confused:

If I were Belgian, I think I would have cast a blank ballot or risked jail time by not voting. ;)

carot
Jul 14th, 2003, 07:16 PM
Ted, the new government wants to create 200.000 new jobs in the next four years, so expect some new posts with the next elections, they got to find them somewhere! :D

Josh
Jul 14th, 2003, 07:39 PM
Am I missing something, or does Belgium, a country of ~10 million people, have a larger Cabinet than the USA, with its 280 million people? If I'm not mistaken, our Cabinet has 14 Secretaries plus the President (and some include the Vice-President as well), while Belgium seems to have 21 ministers.

Belgium has 15 ministers, which is a constitutional number. There has to be parity between Dutch and French speakers (excluding the prime minister who is Dutch speaking). Secretaries of state are added to a certain minister and take care of a specific domain that needs special attention.

What's the different between the budget and finance ministers? Or Hervé Jamar's ministry of "financial modernisation" (whatever that is) :confused: And couldn't the anti-fraud part of that ministry be subsumed by the justice ministry?

The finances ministery takes care of taxes and more generally income and expenses of the state. The budget minister has to manage the total state budget for all the different departments (health care, social security, foreign aid, etc...). Basically all other ministers get their money from there.

Financial modernisation is basically making sure there's less bureaucracy and more efficiency in the state's finances. Secretary of State Hervé Jamar falls under the authority of the Minister of Finances. So the anti-fraud department also falls under the finances minister.

What does the interior minister do? I thought in other European countries, the interior minister was another name for what we'd call the Attorney General here in the States, with our Interior Department being roughly equivalent to your environment ministry.

The Interior Minister is competent for internal affairs like the supervision over the cities and communes, the federal police, etc...

Environment, consumer affairs, and telecommunications all part of the same ministry? :confused: :rolleyes:

That's Belgium for you. ;)
Competences are equally spread over the different coalition partners and the two major linguistic groups, hence why some ministers seem to have strange combinations.

And there's a "Secretary of State for the Well-Being at the Work Place" and a "Minister of Mobility and Social Economy"? If I disagree with this minister's actions, does that mean I believe in antisocial economy? :confused:

Social economy is a new department so I'm not quite sure what it means lol.

If I were Belgian, I think I would have cast a blank ballot or risked jail time by not voting. ;)

Voting is compulsory but you don't risk jail time by not voting. The sanction for not voting is a fine but you won't have to pay it since it received the lowest priority and thus the judicial districts have decided not to prosecute.;)

Ted of Teds Tennis
Jul 15th, 2003, 02:21 PM
Ted, the new government wants to create 200.000 new jobs in the next four years, so expect some new posts with the next elections, they got to find them somewhere! :D

LMAO!! :haha:

One wonders how long until they come up with a Monty Pythonesque "Ministry of Silly Walks"....

gentenaire
Jul 15th, 2003, 02:25 PM
LMAO!! :haha:

One wonders how long until they come up with a Monty Pythonesque "Ministry of Silly Walks"....

Hey, maybe I should become a politician after all.