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tenn_ace
Jun 11th, 2003, 03:36 AM
Nastya and Elena are most accomplished on grass (both got to the finals of warm-up tournaments last year). Anna got to the semis at Wimbledon, but it was too long ago and her current form says she'll probably withdraw. People talk about Nadia as a potential good grass court player (huge serve, comfortable at the net, smart).

And there is also Elena B., who is yet to show this year that she is finally planning to start playing some tennis, and Elena L., who is comfortbale on grass.

Lina is supposed to like grass, but I don't remember her accomplishing much at Wimbledon or any other grass tournament. Vera doesn't like grass and, truthfully, her game is not for grass courts. Dinara's game is a mess, but she does have potential of a good grass player IMO.

Given their current forms and how their games suit grass courts, what would be your rating of the best Russian prospect?

Mine is here:

1. Elena D.
2. Nadia
3. Elena B.
4. Nastya
5. Elena L.
6. Lina
7. Maria Sharapova
8. Dinara
9. Vera Z.
10. Anna

Gowza
Jun 11th, 2003, 03:51 AM
i think petrova, bovina, lina k, kuznetsova, dementieva asnd zvonareva as well as myskina could do quite well and safina if she plays well might win a couple of matches. i put zvonareva in because she is in form and i don't really know what to expect from her on grass. i think bovina can do really well on grass and i also think that sharapova and douchevina could win a couple of matches if they make the main draw. i really think that grass coould be sharapova's best surface and she did reach the junior final last year losing to douchevina so they should both be good grass court players.

but based on form and style of play, i i have to pick 1 it would be petrova because she's playing well even against top players and she has a decent game for grass plus i think she has reached the fourth round at wimbledon before.

ys
Jun 11th, 2003, 03:55 AM
Nadya's big serve and ability to play at the net makes her our best hope.

Nastya is by far the most accomplished grasscourter of all the girls. I would put Nastya's chances at #2

Elena D. had very decent grass results last year. She hates grass, but the grass hides her weakest part of the game - the serve, and magnifies her biggest part - flat forehand. She can do well, but she is unpredictable. After her brilliant play on the other green stuff and then, complete flop on red clay, I have no idea of what kind of frame of mind she is now.

Elena L., doubles specialists make very natural grasscourters. provided that she doesn't have a brutal draw, which she, likely, will - Top 8 seed in the third round guaranteed, - she might get into the second week.

Lina has the game for grass, and she proved it two years ago, but can she finally start to deliver in the bigger matches.

Elena B. has a season of slump, that is pretty obvious, she must have no confidence with losses
like she is having now.

Vera can surprise, apart from her being in unfamiliar territory, there is no reason whatsoever why shouldn't she defend her seed. And if she wins a couple of matches in Vienna, that will be a Top 16 seed.

Anna.. Should she be healthy, she could well be closer to the top of the list. But I don't think she is going to play.


Masha is an American trained player, those players usually can play grass. But she won't get a good draw, I am afraid.

Dinara.. Who knows.. She needs a good draw, not a big seed in the first round..

Roxers
Jun 11th, 2003, 12:22 PM
Nadia! She has the best game for grass.

King Aaron
Jun 11th, 2003, 02:55 PM
Nadia, big serve + deep groundies and good net capabilities.

The others are all wild guesses because they haven't been consistent at all.

auntie janie
Jun 11th, 2003, 03:26 PM
Nastya,
Nadya,
Elena D.

Nadya, she could potentially go far, IF healthy. But I have NO idea what to expect from that girl! I hope she will bring a happy surprise again and find herself in the quarters or semis.

Nastya and Elena will sooner or later be stopped in their tracks by their wince-inducing 2nd serves, which could prove disastrous on grass. I don't expect to see them past the 4th round. For much the same reason, I would not place Anna K. on the list to do well at all, even if she were fully healthy. Even her better 1997-level tennis would cut no ice beyond a couple of rounds in 2003. Amazingly, Anna has not gotten past the 2nd round here since 1999; despite her stated love of grass tennis, she consistently performs poorly on it.

Then Sharapova, if she keeps up her good play, could surprise somebody (probably another Russian girl, you know how that goes!). Watch out for the famous grunt-o-meter to come out of the basement to measure her shrieks, if she gets past the first round. She is already tabloid fodder in the UK; just wait to see what they do if she looks like she might perform well. But I doubt that will affect her play.

the cat
Jun 11th, 2003, 04:09 PM
tenn_ace, Myskina has a huge serve? I don't think so. She has a good serve at best. Petrova's serve should be tough to handle on grass courts.

Here is my top 5.

1) Nadia Petrova - Her fine first serve and good second serve will give her opponents fits on grass courts. And she knows how to volley, too.

2) Anastasia Myskina - Myskina has the best all around game of all the Russian girls. But she does not play well in the grand slams. And that worries me.

3) Elena Dementieva - While her serve is weak she covers the court so well when healthy. And she proved at Amelia Island that he backhand is improved and we all know her forehand is Elena's weapon.

4) Maria Sharapova - She got to the Wimbledon girls final last year and is into the third round of Birmingham having routined Nathalie Dechy today. Maria has laser like ground strokes and she goes for winners. And that's a good combination to have playing on grass courts. Udachi Maria! :bounce:

5) Vera Zvonareva - Vera plays with alot of fire and a fighters heart that will make her a champion someday. While she doesn't like grass courts, I wouldn't be surprised if she won a couple rounds at Wimbledon because she is a good tennis player. And her recent win over Venus Williams at the French Open proves that Vera is a name to watch in women's tennis.

ys
Jun 11th, 2003, 05:24 PM
And, do I take it right that Sveta is not playing W? Why is she not mentioned?

tenn_ace
Jun 11th, 2003, 05:37 PM
tenn_ace, Myskina has a huge serve? I don't think so. She has a good serve at best. Petrova's serve should be tough to handle on grass courts.



the cat, I meant Nadia :wavey:

tenn_ace
Jun 11th, 2003, 05:42 PM
And, do I take it right that Sveta is not playing W? Why is she not mentioned?

ooppsssss I completely forgot about Sveta.... I don't think though that she is up their on the top with other girls (Nadia, Lena D. etc)

I would rank her next to Lina... or even a place lower.

fresh2flash
Jun 11th, 2003, 06:36 PM
Lina cannot stand the pressure. So while she is not playing a home favourite (I hope there are not any) and not on a main court she will do fine.

Alyona. The 1st relatively strong opponent will sweep her on grass. She was not optimistic about her chances at Wimbledon when I asked her in Paris. What`s more she said nobody of the Russian girls will make it to the 2nd week.

Nastya. IMO our best chance at Wimbledon. Her serve is not strong, but it`s not easy to handle. But she needs to be healthy.

Nadya. Despite her success at RG she is a dark horse. She has the most powerful serve among the Russian girls, that could help her much. She plays very well at the net, but she may be injured.

Masha Sharapova will get a top10 opponent in the opening rounds. That will end her run at Wimbledon.

Other girls do not have a least chance to go to the 4th round. Maybe Alyona Likhovtzeva will surprise us.

kodeRED
Jun 11th, 2003, 07:16 PM
1- alyona
2- nadia
3- anna
4- sharapova
5- nastya

the cat
Jun 11th, 2003, 07:46 PM
Hi tenn_ace! :wavey: I was wondering if you meant Nadia instead of Nastya. I guess it's easy to get the Russian girls mixed up. ;)

Last year Myskina went into Wimbledon burned out after making the finals in Birmingham and Eastbourne. She will be well rested this year and if she can win a couple of rounds her confidence on a grass court will grow! :D

ys
Jun 11th, 2003, 08:20 PM
Lina cannot stand the pressure. So while she is not playing a home favourite (I hope there are not any) and not on a main court she will do fine.

That I comlpetely agree.. I saw it not once Lina completely folding under pressure.


Alyona. The 1st relatively strong opponent will sweep her on grass. She was not optimistic about her chances at Wimbledon when I asked her in Paris. What`s more she said nobody of the Russian girls will make it to the 2nd week.


This doesn't make sense, Gleb.
1) We had two girls in the second week of W for last two years. And this year is our best year up-to date.
2)Alyona herself made it to the second week last year, and reached the finals of Heineken. I expect her defend her seed.
3)Alyona Likhovtseva, her last three losses at W, in case you forgot were Davenport, Williams, Williams. So each of last three years she lost to a defending champion and a future finalist. I just hope that a couple of players will leapfrog her in rankings this week, so she would be unseeded and not having to face a Top 8 player in the third round. Otherwise, it will be difficult for her to make it to the R16.

4) Nastya made finals in both grass tournies she played last year. Now, I guess, she no longer questions her own potential on the surface, but rather willing not to play 10 matches on grass coming into W. She is just shooting for bigger prize this year. Makes sense. And she will be seeded #10. I will be surprised if she does not defend her seed.

5) If Nadya's serve was nearly unbreakable on clay ( Capriati - only three breaks in three sets, few men can hold serve that well on clay), what's it gonna be on grass?

Barring the disaster, I expect as to have more than one player in the second week. Hopefully, three or four.

fresh2flash
Jun 11th, 2003, 08:47 PM
Serge, I did not say nobody would make it to the 2nd week. :) I just underlined who could. Not too much choice though. The key factor to go far is to avoid Serena Wiliams and Henin - these two players neither of our girls can beat at the moment. VW, Kim, Capriati do not seem unbeatable, but anyway are still heavy favourites to beat any other player save the first two. So chances of a Russian in the 4th round I consider rather good, but not to the quaterfinal.

Edit: I hope I`m wrong. Maybe Alyona was just trying to put off the pressure, I don`t know. :)

BTW, I still have hope in Zhenya. I believe he can win it. It`s the most important tournament, she needs to win it there.

Yak
Jun 11th, 2003, 08:54 PM
Nadia played like a grass courter on clay in Paris! And it worked so imagine what she can do on that fast thing!

Nastya, Nastya, Nastya... She is good but she doesn't have anything huge to hurt the big girls on grass.

Elena D is not at home on a grass court and once she'll get an attacker against her that will attack the serve and backhand, she won't be able to run and over the place like in Amelia Island.

Elena B and Elena L have no chance of getting past the second round. Bovina is playing like shit since having her great year last year and Likhovsteva is not what she use to be.

Now my wild card is Tatiana Panova! Watch out! She likes the fast surface because it makes her game bigger. The year she played Capriati, she had a great game. If her head is ok, she is, after Nadia and Nastya, the biggest hope in my opinion.

Anna :sad: She won't play...

ys
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:00 PM
Serge, I did not say nobody would make it to the 2nd week. :) I just underlined who could. Not too much choice though. The key factor to go far is to avoid Serena Wiliams and Henin - these two players neither of our girls can beat at the moment.

Serena, I agree.. But Henin? Dementieva played her very tough last Wimbledon, cold have won it. Both girls improved since then.


VW, Kim, Capriati do not seem unbeatable, but anyway are still heavy favourites to beat any other player save the first two. So chances of a Russian in the 4th round I consider rather good, but not to the quaterfinal.

Kim and Capriati, I agree. But if Venus finds her motivation, I would consider her, together with Davenport, as the second and third favourite
of the tournament. Henin, at #4.

BTW, I still have hope in Zhenya. I believe he can win it. It`s the most important tournament, she needs to win it there.

He just needs a good draw. There is one type of players against whom he struggles on grass - quick baseliners who are not really tall. Like Canas, like Malisse or Johansson. Those who hit below his strikezone and in whose strikezone his shots normally go. Him playing Henman is better than him playing , say, Malisse or Canas. And now men's doubles for him there. Playing best of five in doubles is crazy. Mixed ( if he plays with Serena, as Nina suggested ) is OK. Not much strain.

fresh2flash
Jun 11th, 2003, 09:09 PM
I think he understands this. He plays doubles not for money or whatever, but just to keep him in form.
I asked him about Wimbledon in Paris of course. :) Didn`t put it on paper. He said: my chance of winning there this year is 0.0 %, but next moment he smiled and winked. So I hope he still beleives he is capable of doing this, though he won`t tell it to anybody.

the cat
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:40 PM
So ys is Serge. ;) :wavey: Just like Eggy! :D

I really want to see Myskina have a good grand slam for once. She is quick and has a good enough serve to win most of her serve games. A fourth round result would be acceptable to Nastya.

Is Safin going to play?

Dava
Jun 11th, 2003, 11:44 PM
Elena D and Vera!

Hopefully Maria will get some good results to.

ys
Jun 12th, 2003, 12:14 AM
I think he understands this. He plays doubles not for money or whatever, but just to keep him in form.
I asked him about Wimbledon in Paris of course. :) Didn`t put it on paper. He said: my chance of winning there this year is 0.0 %, but next moment he smiled and winked. So I hope he still beleives he is capable of doing this, though he won`t tell it to anybody.

Of course he is. With no Sampras or Rafter, Krajicek and Goran fading, whom can't he beat on grass? Perhaps, only Hewitt..

And the next time you do interview with him, remind him that he has to play next year anyway - to defend one of his biggest titles..:)

ys
Jun 12th, 2003, 04:29 AM
A little bit about everything from Moscow daily..

From Tarpishev:

About great RG results of our girls:

- Evevything goes according to plan. Girls are maturing mentally, improving. We should not get that excited about every achievement. In reality, I expect big results from them in about one year.

- Zvonareva would have had a better chance in semis if she'd beaten Petrova. ( I agree with him, I was saying that even before Vera played Nadya )

About Wimbledon chances of our girls:

- Frankly, we have no chances. The conditions over there are too specific.

Vera:

About the match against Venus:

- I came out to win, otherwise what's point of playing? What really surprised is that everyone supported me. That was nice. From time to time Venus was killing me, but I kept on going. Fought for every point and at the end forced her play the kind of game I wanted.

About match against Nadya:

I was tired. But I felt no agresivness inside me. I was glad that a Russian girl would play in semis. Not me, so what..

We never played with nadya before, Didn't even know each other. But had a nice talk after the match. She thanked me for a good match and I wished her luck. It wasn't important that I lost to a compatriot. Losses are never pleasant, but in our sport you forget quickly about them..

Nastya agrees:

Yes, we forget.. But this loss made me upset for a whole week. I played so well against Dinara, felt absdolutely great and healthy. But suddenly caught some virus. Fever, 38.2.. Sneezing, coughing. And I could not use any medicine because of doping-control. And those that I could use were useless. So I flew to Moscow right from there, was sick for 10 days, and only now started practicing.

About friendship between Russian players:

Everyone ois for hereslf, it is an individual sport. And friendship has nothing to do with that. We are friends with Lina K. and Elena D., but during tournaments we don't talk much. It though doesn't prevent us fro being happy for each other, and even we get angry, not for long..

Nadya:

I really was very tired by semifinal time. But I do not regret playing doubles. The most important thing is that I finally recovered psychologically from my injury, that kept from playing for so long. The most awful thing is to begin again from the start. I walked a long path. I felt that fater I defeated Seles and Capriati. EVeryone thinks that the victory over Vera was the most important for me, because we are compatriots. I don't think so. Does it matter what is the first language of your opponent.

Marat Safin: I am looking forward.

His hand doesn't hurt any more, so he can practice again and he is preapring to Wimbledon. he is in still Moscow.

Alex Metreveli: The crowd at RG was so Anti-American, it was so open and so aggressive, especially when Williams sisters played, that even I felt uncomfortable. Probably because of Iraq..

fresh2flash
Jun 12th, 2003, 07:27 AM
Is Safin going to play?

His agent said that he was going to play Wimbledon, but not any of the tournaments before. L`Equipe published these words on Monday.

Cassius
Jun 12th, 2003, 10:25 AM
I read half the thread, but I'm running low on time atm, but basically I'm in agreement with most people in thinking Nastya, Nadia and Elena D 'could' all do well and make it to the second week.
Apart from those three, I'm not really 'up-to-date' on the other Russian girls except Lina + Anna, but I think Anna won't play and Lina.................well, she'll be up to speed soon.
Whether it will be soon enough for Wimbledon I'm not sure.

the cat
Jun 12th, 2003, 10:46 AM
Thanks for posting those comments, ys. But it's quite apparent not to expect much from the Russian girls at Wimbledon.

King Aaron
Jun 12th, 2003, 03:12 PM
A little bit about everything from Moscow daily..

From Tarpishev:

About great RG results of our girls:

- Evevything goes according to plan. Girls are maturing mentally, improving. We should not get that excited about every achievement. In reality, I expect big results from them in about one year.

- Zvonareva would have had a better chance in semis if she'd beaten Petrova. ( I agree with him, I was saying that even before Vera played Nadya )

About Wimbledon chances of our girls:

- Frankly, we have no chances. The conditions over there are too specific.

Vera:

About the match against Venus:

- I came out to win, otherwise what's point of playing? What really surprised is that everyone supported me. That was nice. From time to time Venus was killing me, but I kept on going. Fought for every point and at the end forced her play the kind of game I wanted.

About match against Nadya:

I was tired. But I felt no agresivness inside me. I was glad that a Russian girl would play in semis. Not me, so what..

We never played with nadya before, Didn't even know each other. But had a nice talk after the match. She thanked me for a good match and I wished her luck. It wasn't important that I lost to a compatriot. Losses are never pleasant, but in our sport you forget quickly about them..

Nastya agrees:

Yes, we forget.. But this loss made me upset for a whole week. I played so well against Dinara, felt absdolutely great and healthy. But suddenly caught some virus. Fever, 38.2.. Sneezing, coughing. And I could not use any medicine because of doping-control. And those that I could use were useless. So I flew to Moscow right from there, was sick for 10 days, and only now started practicing.

About friendship between Russian players:

Everyone ois for hereslf, it is an individual sport. And friendship has nothing to do with that. We are friends with Lina K. and Elena D., but during tournaments we don't talk much. It though doesn't prevent us fro being happy for each other, and even we get angry, not for long..

Nadya:

I really was very tired by semifinal time. But I do not regret playing doubles. The most important thing is that I finally recovered psychologically from my injury, that kept from playing for so long. The most awful thing is to begin again from the start. I walked a long path. I felt that fater I defeated Seles and Capriati. EVeryone thinks that the victory over Vera was the most important for me, because we are compatriots. I don't think so. Does it matter what is the first language of your opponent.

Marat Safin: I am looking forward.

His hand doesn't hurt any more, so he can practice again and he is preapring to Wimbledon. he is in still Moscow.

Alex Metreveli: The crowd at RG was so Anti-American, it was so open and so aggressive, especially when Williams sisters played, that even I felt uncomfortable. Probably because of Iraq..
Thanks. :D

Dina
Jun 13th, 2003, 11:38 AM
russian speakers what do you make of this???

http://www.aif.ru/online/aif/1180/26_04


thanks

fresh2flash
Jun 13th, 2003, 12:10 PM
russian speakers what do you make of this???

http://www.aif.ru/online/aif/1180/26_04


Rubbish. A bit of information, a bit of rumour, a bit of speculation all mixed together.

Dina
Jun 13th, 2003, 12:14 PM
thankyou :)

that's what I thought

Roxers
Jun 13th, 2003, 12:16 PM
thanks fresh2flash.
thats whati guessed too.

tenn_ace
Jun 13th, 2003, 12:59 PM
but we have to agree, that he is NOT playing up to his potential... even when he is healthy (when was it the last time???)

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 14th, 2003, 12:15 AM
just back from Birmingham :)

got to go with Nadya on here as well
her serve is lethal, grass will help although her movement on grass isn't too good against players who dink the ball around at the feet.

Nastya has always played the best of our girls on grass cos of her foot speed and agilty, that alone helps more than anything on the grass, her 1st serve is improved, 2nd is still :o

Elena D didn't look too good today, exposed on a number of times by Masha who out-manouvered her on BH to BH rallies. Still she doesn't like grass, and if she can same as last yr, she'll be pretty content.

Lina does like grass but nerves are her big undoing :sad:, hope she can get her game going this yr, she still seems a step slower than she was two yrs ago :( :sad:

Masha Sharapova moves well and hits very solid on both flanks and has a pretty effective 1st serve, just how much the tabloids get to her is another matter, the British Tabloids are really something else at Wimby time (only time they ever cover tennis and its to do a babe-watch :rolleyes: )

Lena B is a mess right now, no confidence at all, her movement on grass is just like Bambi on Ice :(
I watched her match in Birmingham and she was pretty awful and i couldnt stand it and left at 3-4* in 1st set, even when she was 2-0 up she was bad but she got worse :( :mad:

still dont know why she split from Joe Giuliano, its put her 2-3 steps back.

Vera doesn't have the game or belief she can do well on the grass.
Sveta has yet to to play properly on it, failed to qualify last yr and has no matches on grass coming into Wimby.

What is success ???
3 girls into Rd of 16 (week 2) would be pretty handy, 4 would be a bonus,anything else is just disappointing.

TartarVicario
Jun 14th, 2003, 11:56 AM
I hope Sveta can play her best :sad:

ajayares
Jun 14th, 2003, 01:41 PM
Amazingly, Anna has not gotten past the 2nd round here since 1999; despite her stated love of grass tennis, she consistently performs poorly on it.


Oh consistently Janie? What played Wimbledon 4 times and she has consistently performed poorly? gee how do you come to that conclusion? Don't bother answering, I don't want to hear your twisted views. (semis, 4th, 2nd and 1st) umm so that not past the 2nd rd since 99 doesn't seem as bad as you like people to believe.

BTW her record on Grass is 16-7 and at Wimbledon 9-4 not bad really, if you want to exclude last years efforts, when she was totally out of form.
But you just go ahead and twist the stats, something you enjoy doing.

Now back to the topic in hand, like others have said Anna is unlikely to play and if she did, I wouldn't expect much form her in her current state.
As for the other players I expect Petrova to perform best, however she is going to have to face a top 8 seed in the 3rd rd, so she may not go any further then that, However I doubt any of the Russian players will make it past the 4th Rd. Myskina and Elena D may live up to there seeding and make the 4th rd, but that's about it for them.
After watching Vera at the French, she doesn't look like she has the game for grass, but who really knows, it all guess work without knowing the Draw, someone normally surprises at Wimbledon, so perhaps there is a chance it may be a Russian player this year.

FLL
Jun 14th, 2003, 02:26 PM
Bovina's movement on grass = Bambi on ice :D

The funniest thing I've ever read! Really good one Eggy :D

auntie janie
Jun 14th, 2003, 06:04 PM
ajayares, I was speaking about Anna's grasscourt results in the 21st century. I did say "since 1999", but you ignored that part. THIS CENTURY, Anna has been bad at Eastbourne, bad at Wimbledon. I don't see what I am twisting. Fortunately, I don't care what evil manipulation you think I am up to. :D

Don't read my posts if you hate them so much, ajayares. You have spewed your hatred toward me many a time on these boards, yet you still read my Evil posts. Why you don't just put me on your Ignore List is beyond me! Do you read my posts just so you can have the opportunity to launch your usual array of caustic insults at me? I can save you the trouble: I could care less what you call me and attribute to me. You are wasting your time. :)

I am a regular at Russian Roulette and you are going to run into me a lot if you come here. So take my advice and add me to your Ignore List now. :angel:

auntie janie
Jun 14th, 2003, 06:16 PM
After re-reading my original post, I am happy to say, it looks like no grunt-o-meter will be produced for Maria's matches after all! I am sure the tabloids are disappointed, but I am thrilled that Maria was able to "change her tune" so easily.

And now I see her as an even better prospect at Wimby than I did then. Great week, kid! :hearts:

Thanks for the inside scoops, ys. :)

Great post, Eggy! :)

VenuSerenAnna
Jun 14th, 2003, 06:20 PM
Bovina is going to lose 1st round.

Fuck her... I hate her so much... :mad:

auntie janie
Jun 14th, 2003, 06:23 PM
Yes, Elena B. has gone off the rails. As I posted one time in her cheering thread, she has Dr. Jekyll years alternating with Mr. Hyde years. And this year, Mr. Hyde is especially rampant! :mad:

VenuSerenAnna
Jun 14th, 2003, 06:31 PM
Yes, it breaks my heart... :sad:

Well, at least there's one positive... when I get to see her in Toronto this year, she won't have many fans with her play! Keep Lena all to myself! :)

auntie janie
Jun 14th, 2003, 06:41 PM
Yes, it breaks my heart... :sad:

Well, at least there's one positive... when I get to see her in Toronto this year, she won't have many fans with her play! Keep Lena all to myself! :)

LOL! Now THERE'S a person who can find a silver lining in ANY cloud! :D Very nice. Big :kiss: for VenuSerenAnna. :)

VenuSerenAnna
Jun 14th, 2003, 06:44 PM
The only bad thing is... after she loses her 650+ after New Haven, USO, Quebec, Moscow... she'll have to be qualifying again. :sad:

Oh, and incase if you don't know... I'm Leena... but don't shout it all over the boards :p

auntie janie
Jun 14th, 2003, 06:46 PM
LOL, it was hard to miss. :D

Too bad I can't go to Toronto this year; I'd cheer for her, too. :(

the cat
Jun 15th, 2003, 01:25 AM
Maria Sharapova "The Siberian Tigress" is now in the mix to make the second week at Wimbledon! :)

I hope she gets a decent draw at Wimbledon. Alot of the top 20 and even top 10 are not comfortable on grass courts, which makes them more vulnerable to a player like Maria who likes to play on grass courts.

Udachi Maria! :bounce:

ys
Jun 15th, 2003, 03:55 AM
Maria Sharapova "The Siberian Tigress" is now in the mix to make the second week at Wimbledon! :)

Udachi Maria! :bounce:

For someone who never won a Grand Slam maindraw match? How much of valeriana have you drunk?

seldom83
Jun 15th, 2003, 03:56 AM
its got to be myskina, bovina or sharapova

seldom83
Jun 15th, 2003, 03:57 AM
but pertova is always dangerours, never count her out

King Aaron
Jun 15th, 2003, 04:12 PM
Maria Sharapova "The Siberian Tigress" is now in the mix to make the second week at Wimbledon! :)

I hope she gets a decent draw at Wimbledon. Alot of the top 20 and even top 10 are not comfortable on grass courts, which makes them more vulnerable to a player like Maria who likes to play on grass courts.

Udachi Maria! :bounce:
Yes, the perfect draw would be to draw Miss Dokic. The only other player capable of challenging Lena B's slumping title.

the cat
Jun 15th, 2003, 06:38 PM
ys, Maria has only played 2 maindraw grand slam tournaments. But she is heading into Wimbledon with alot of confidence.

And I don't drink much! :angel:

ajayares
Jun 16th, 2003, 05:27 AM
ajayares, I was speaking about Anna's grasscourt results in the 21st century. I did say "since 1999", but you ignored that part. THIS CENTURY, Anna has been bad at Eastbourne, bad at Wimbledon. I don't see what I am twisting. Fortunately, I don't care what evil manipulation you think I am up to. :D

Of course how silly of me to think that is what you mean't :rolleyes: The word 21st century wasn't even mention. However you used the word Consistently Bad, Wow that is some conclusion you have come too. Just how many times has she played Wimbledon and Eastbourne since 1999?? How about twice for each, that is so many times that a pattern has developed and the word Consistently can be used, isn't it?
BTW she made the Qf's in one of the 2 times she has played Eastbourne since 99 :rolleyes:

Oh as for this "despite her stated love of grass tennis" of course she only stated her love for Grass in the 21st century aswell :rolleyes:

Don't read my posts if you hate them so much, ajayares. You have spewed your hatred toward me many a time on these boards, yet you still read my Evil posts. Why you don't just put me on your Ignore List is beyond me! Do you read my posts just so you can have the opportunity to launch your usual array of caustic insults at me? I can save you the trouble: I could care less what you call me and attribute to me. You are wasting your time. :)
I am a regular at Russian Roulette and you are going to run into me a lot if you come here. So take my advice and add me to your Ignore List now. :angel:


Hate your posts? why would you think that, hate isn't the word I would use (not strong enough actually, I aren't talking about just your posts either) the question that needs to be asked, is why the fuck you continually post in any thread that the name "anna kournikova " appears?? I have read enough of your posts over the years not only on this board, but all the boards you have posted on, CNN and tennis week etc. Blind fucking freddy knows you can't stand her and you wish she didn't exist. Your pathetic attempt to be sincere with her injuries, must have been a joke aswell, No one is going to buy that shit, who has been around long enough to know what type of a person you really are.

I wouldn't waste my time going around looking at your posts I actually click on and read threads that interest me only, funny those you obviously don't do that :rolleyes: and I have no intention of putting any one on Ignore either, why would I do that? So someone who isn't quite up with the "facts" is going to start believing your drivel? I don't think so. But I suppose if they are so naive to do so, that is there problem. I really don't care, I know what is right and wrong when is comes to information associated with my favorite players.

If you think I am targeting your posts, think again, I haven't replied to your posts for mths, not becuase I agreed with what you said, or what you said was correct, because it wasn't, but more so because I couldn't stop laughing and couldn't really give a toss bag. You may then ask why I replied to this post?, Well no particular reason, what you said was your typical twisting attempts, just like you did when someone asked how long Anna had been in the top 10?? I am sure you rememeber that well, since you got plenty of positive feed back after you attempted to change the whole question around..

So I will not be putting you on my ignore list and I will continue to reply to your posts when ever I want to, if you don't post in the "kournikova" threads I am sure it will be less often then more often, but you just do what you like and I will do what I want to aswell. It is a free world afterall.

auntie janie
Jun 19th, 2003, 10:33 PM
LOL, what fun!! :D (Not that I read the whole malicious post; a bit wordy, isn't it?) ;)

It's very flattering how much attention you have paid to my every word over the years, ajayares, and how you cherish your contorted view of my words SO much, that you can trot them out years later! :D

I am honored that anyone would put me on such a pedestal that they engrave my words into their brain forever and ever. Thanks for the compliment! :angel:

Spidergirl
Jun 19th, 2003, 10:38 PM
I had to change my name again. :p

Ajayares is the funniest bastard on this board... seriously. :)

the cat
Jun 19th, 2003, 11:51 PM
ajayares, even though Janie does not like Anna Kournikova, she is legimimate in her sincerity about Anna's injuries. I've gotten to know Janie a bit. And she wouldn't want any player injured.

I don't always agree with what she has to say about Anna. And we've talked about it. But Janie isn't the type of person to wish harm on anyone.

Like you said ajayares, it's a free world. But your comments about Janie seem personal and that's too bad.

Back to the topic of this thread. Nadia Petrova is playing well and is dangerous on a grass court. While Elena Dementieva is playing poorly and has a terrible record agaisnt her compatriots. And Anastasia Myskina who has a nice game, is playing poorly too. :( I would be very happy with 3 WTA Russians in the second week of Wimbledon! :D

So Spidegirl, what was your previous board name?

auntie janie
Jun 19th, 2003, 11:57 PM
I bet Spidergirl likes Elena Bovina!!! ;)

And I agree, cat. Nadia is looking better and better. And that is something I've been looking forward to since her great beginning to 2002 was ruined by injury. I hope she has a great Wimbledon. :hearts:

Spidergirl
Jun 20th, 2003, 12:39 AM
ajayares, even though Janie does not like Anna Kournikova, she is legimimate in her sincerity about Anna's injuries. I've gotten to know Janie a bit. And she wouldn't want any player injured.

I don't always agree with what she has to say about Anna. And we've talked about it. But Janie isn't the type of person to wish harm on anyone.

Like you said ajayares, it's a free world. But your comments about Janie seem personal and that's too bad.

Back to the topic of this thread. Nadia Petrova is playing well and is dangerous on a grass court. While Elena Dementieva is playing poorly and has a terrible record agaisnt her compatriots. And Anastasia Myskina who has a nice game, is playing poorly too. :( I would be very happy with 3 WTA Russians in the second week of Wimbledon! :D

So Spidegirl, what was your previous board name?
Princess Leena.

This ajay is hilarious because he always writes these extremely long diatribes that are full of personal insults... he's the most bitter guy I've ever seen. We should go out sometime. :p

ajayares
Jun 20th, 2003, 03:39 AM
LOL, what fun!! :D (Not that I read the whole malicious post; a bit wordy, isn't it?) ;)

It's very flattering how much attention you have paid to my every word over the years, ajayares, and how you cherish your contorted view of my words SO much, that you can trot them out years later! :D

I am honored that anyone would put me on such a pedestal that they engrave my words into their brain forever and ever. Thanks for the compliment! :angel:


You have a very vivid imagination if you can come to the conclusion, you just have made. But I wouldn't expect anything different from you Janie.

BTW Years hey? Umm try only a couple of mths in regards to my example I left, as for reading your posts on other boards, do you think I would remember or would want to remember what you have said, however it isn't to hard to remember seeing your name there. :rolleyes:

Whatever

Spidergirl
Jun 20th, 2003, 04:22 AM
2 paragraphs only?

I'm disappointed.

Insult Janie some more. :p

auntie janie
Jun 20th, 2003, 12:19 PM
LOL! ajayares is so obsessed with me. Even my loving husband doesn't pay this much attention to me; my every word is very important to ajayares! I think I'm in love! spidergirl, we will have to share him. :hearts:& :kiss: to you, aj! (Since we are so deeply in love, I'm sure it's okay if I call you this pet name! :hearts: )

kournikovafan13
Jun 20th, 2003, 01:35 PM
I agree with ajayares here, I cringe every time I read one of Janie's posts of Anna's, which are quite common, because she does exactly what ajay said. It's increasingly obvious how much janie despises Anna. I think you should just come out and say it, janie, instead of shrugging it off with your plethora of smilies and obsession jokes. :rolleyes:

Baaaaaaaack to the original question : The answer is Petrova for sure. I would like to say Nastya but clearly she's struggling.

auntie janie
Jun 20th, 2003, 02:05 PM
kounikovafan13, I have never, ever claimed to be a fan of Anna's, or even to like her. So what? Is there some reason that everyone should like the same player?

Yet that does not mean I don't feel sympathy with her fans when she is injured. I like many of the Anna fans on this board and get along well with them, and I feel bad for them when their fave is injured. But I could care less if ajayares or you believe my sympathy is phony. it is not, and those fans know it.

And I will happily continue with my jokes. If I were to take ajayares seriously, I would have to call the police to keep an eye on my house. ;)

Spidergirl
Jun 20th, 2003, 02:30 PM
I agree with ajayares here, I cringe every time I read one of Janie's posts of Anna's, which are quite common, because she does exactly what ajay said. It's increasingly obvious how much janie despises Anna. I think you should just come out and say it, janie, instead of shrugging it off with your plethora of smilies and obsession jokes. :rolleyes:

Baaaaaaaack to the original question : The answer is Petrova for sure. I would like to say Nastya but clearly she's struggling.
I'll say it.

I despise Anna.

auntie janie
Jun 20th, 2003, 02:38 PM
I despise Chip Hewitt. :D

Anna K. is actually a distant, distant second to Chip on my tennis-dislike list. Though I never liked her, I did used to enjoy parts of her game. At least she did not stay pinned to the baseline whacking away, but ran forward on occasion, which is more fun to watch.

juggler
Jun 21st, 2003, 10:00 AM
The question is why post in threads about someone you dislike so much. For some strange region Janie is drawn to Anna thread like a moth to a flame. She doesnt like her, but yet there is something irresistible about her which she finds hard to ignore.

Janie what is it about Anna that you dislike so much? Or what is it that perhaps you like about her, that makes you so interested that it compels you to post in threads about her.

auntie janie
Jun 21st, 2003, 12:12 PM
Hi juggler,
This is actually not a thread about Anna. Anna was only one of several players I mentioned here in discussing the prospects of the Russians at Wimbledon, which is the thread topic.

Sometimes I do post in Anna-topic threads, but not "always", as I have been accused of. I NEVER, ever intrude into Anna cheering threads, admiration threads or in her fan zones. Go look if you don't beleive me. I do post in threads where I think I have something to offer. This myth that I post in any thread with Anna's name msytifies me, since it is far from true, but I guess I have become a legend in some posters' minds, so they see me everywhere. ;)

Yet you could search the entire history of this board and you would find nothing very nasty said by me about Anna, and you would find several posts where I defend her, as well. For example, I defended her against posters who said her injuries were phony earlier this year, a charge I found preposterous.

Why I don't like her, well it is just one of those things, juggler. I happen to prefer the type of athlete like Justine and Lindsay, for whom tennis is their focus, not tennis AND fame. Surely you have players who are not your cup of tea.

I would like to emphasize again that I do NOT dislike or have any problem with Anna's fans on this board! I respect true fans of any player and often give + rep to Anna's fans for their enthisiastic posts. I admire their loyalty to their fave when times are so tough for them. And I could care less if ajayares believes this is a phony attitude on my part.

You will be happy to learn that I am not posting on General Messages any more anyway. I find this whole board to be more and more of a nasty-tempered place. But nasty posts will appear about Anna as always, and you guys will discover that it was not me who was ever posting that sort of thing. And ajayares can turn his considerable rage on the next person. :D

If you have any more questions or accusations on this subject, juggler or anyone, please feel free to PM me. I am not going to respond to any more posts directed at me in this thread, because I still hope it can return to its original purpose, instead of a thread about the wicked janie. Those who prefer to continue to attack me more here, can now do so without rebuttal.

Cheers! :kiss:

the cat
Jun 21st, 2003, 01:39 PM
Come on Jugg, you didn't post about the topic of this thread. What are your opinions about which Russian girl has the best Wimbledon prospects?

Leena is Spidergirl. I should have known. :o

sartrista7
Jun 21st, 2003, 03:57 PM
LOL at the janie v ajayares war... it's not really a fair contest, is it janie? ;)

As for the question... I'd agree that Nadia has the strongest game, but she has Venus in round 3, who is not as vulnerable as people like to pretend she is. Masha Sharapova has a good draw to reach the QF now that Mauresmo is out... Nastya could also reach the QF but I'm not even going to talk about Nastya after the RG flame-out.

juggler
Jun 22nd, 2003, 06:45 AM
I will respond to janie by PM. needless to say she is no where near the worst of those who dislike anna.

the cat.... i think petrova has the ability to go the furthest. but dare i say sharapova has the best chance, considering the arse has fallen out of that section of the draw.

King Aaron
Jun 22nd, 2003, 03:10 PM
Nadia would have been a sure bet to reach the 4th round had she not drawn Venus. :(
I'd say Venus is the toughest you're going to be on grass besides Serena. But we'll never know. Looking forward to that projected clash.

auntie janie
Jun 22nd, 2003, 06:24 PM
Are any of the Russians is in Justine's section? I guess it is a good section to be in now, with her either out altogether, or unable to play her best. :sad:

snoop
Jun 22nd, 2003, 06:49 PM
Are any of the Russians is in Justine's section?
Justine could face Dinara or Elena L in the 3rd round
Bovina, Sharapova and Kuznetsova in the QF

goldenlox
Jun 22nd, 2003, 06:56 PM
I'm pretty new here but I enjoy GM. I post, then wait 5 minutes and see 20 more posts in that thread, then I go look to see if I'm getting made fun of. I love it!
As far as this topic, I hope next Sunday we still have a lot of choices.
But I think the draw favors Elena Bovina.

auntie janie
Jun 22nd, 2003, 08:28 PM
goldenlox: yes, that instant response time is an addicting feature of GM, isn't it? That is probably the reason it took me so long to give it up! ;)

snoop, thanks a lot for the draw info. I think Elena Likhotseva could take advantage of that section. Dinara would surprise me the most out of that group if she advanced.
I really hope that if Justine can't play, or can't play well, one of the Russian girls will seize their chance! ya hear me, Elena B??? :D

the cat
Jun 23rd, 2003, 02:53 AM
Juggler, I agree with you about Maria. But she's never even won a match in a grand slam before. And she will be under alot of pressure and media scrutiny to win her first round match against Ashley Harkleroad. And at this point, I think Nadia Petrova is the only Russian woman capable of winning a grand slam singles tournament. Tjisngs need to break right for her. Such as staying healthy and getting a good draw. But she has a fine serve and a potent game.

And Jugg, I'm happy you have a better understanding about Janie and her views on Anna Kournikova. I've always thought you were fair. And you've proven it once again! :)

Spidergirl
Jun 23rd, 2003, 03:04 AM
goldenlox: yes, that instant response time is an addicting feature of GM, isn't it? That is probably the reason it took me so long to give it up! ;)

snoop, thanks a lot for the draw info. I think Elena Likhotseva could take advantage of that section. Dinara would surprise me the most out of that group if she advanced.
I really hope that if Justine can't play, or can't play well, one of the Russian girls will seize their chance! ya hear me, Elena B??? :D
She doesn't... Lena doesn't listen to anyone. :)

Spidergirl
Jun 23rd, 2003, 03:05 AM
Come on Jugg, you didn't post about the topic of this thread. What are your opinions about which Russian girl has the best Wimbledon prospects?

Leena is Spidergirl. I should have known. :o
Do tell... how should you have known it was me?

I guess you don't like me because you don't agree with everything I say, and kiss my ass.

auntie janie
Jun 23rd, 2003, 02:39 PM
If the prospect of her dream draw makes Elena B. uptight, I will be so annoyed with her! :fiery:

If, however, she just plays bad because she is such a rollercoaster player who is now in her slump phase, I will be disappointed but not furious. ;)

the cat
Jun 23rd, 2003, 06:01 PM
Spidergirl, I should have known it was you by your Leena - like attitude! ;)

Janie, I think the prospect of a Bovina - Sharapova second round match might be too much for Elena! :eek:

Arhivarius
Jun 24th, 2003, 08:09 PM
Excellent day for Russian girls!!! :bounce:
Sorry, Dinara.
Next year you will be at least in QF :)

ys
Jun 27th, 2003, 08:48 PM
Returning to that prediction of Alyona..

Alyona. The 1st relatively strong opponent will sweep her on grass. She was not optimistic about her chances at Wimbledon when I asked her in Paris. What`s more she said nobody of the Russian girls will make it to the 2nd week.

At this point, if less than three of our girls are in the second week, I would not consider it a success.

Vera is already there.
Alyona is huge favourite to join her.
Nastya should be able to handle Conchita.
Masha is perhaps at 50/50 against Dokic.
Sveta should beat Loit.

1 - a disaster
2 - a failure.
3 - OK
4 - great
5 - in our dreams

the cat
Jun 28th, 2003, 01:09 AM
Winning 4 out of the five matches is realistic. If Maria Sharapova loses we can live with that. But the others should win. Having 4 of the final 16 players be from Russia would be great! :D If that happens, Eggy will be dancing in the streets of Wimbledon! :bounce:

AKTW
Jun 28th, 2003, 03:26 AM
:lol: the cat
Eggy will probably dance.
Vera is there now.So at least three out of the four must win today.
First,I take it for granted that Alyona will at least in the fourth round(She should get there!).Nastya plays Martinez will be tough.I have no idea.Masha will beat Dokic especially with her recent form.Sveta can come through.
Go Russian girls! :bounce:
I hope I can see Eggy's dance! :lol:

the cat
Jun 28th, 2003, 01:44 PM
Elena's and Maria's fine wins has gotten the Russinas off to a great start today! :D Let's hope it continues.

Gowza
Jun 28th, 2003, 01:45 PM
and myskina and kuznetsova have both won their first sets.

Arhivarius
Jun 28th, 2003, 02:09 PM
Unexpectedly easy win of Sveta over Loit. :bounce:
Now we'll see weather Nastya will be able konchit' ( to finish off) Conchita. :)

Arhivarius
Jun 28th, 2003, 02:15 PM
Returning to that prediction of Alyona..

4 - great
5 - in our dreams

ys
Yours (and ours) dreams came through!!! :bounce:
All five of our girls are there!

goldenlox
Jun 28th, 2003, 02:17 PM
As we count up the Russians in the round of 16, remember that Nadya would be there with a better draw.
Next summer there might be 6 Russians in the top 20.

Gowza
Jun 28th, 2003, 02:19 PM
next year i expect lina k and safina to be seeded and douchevina might make a good run at a grand slam next year.

ys
Jun 28th, 2003, 02:25 PM
And guess what, we have a guaranteed quarterfinalist - something that even Americans don't have. 5 Russians, 3 or 4 Americans, 2 Belgians, 2 or 3 Japanese :eek:, French, Argentinian, Italian. Aren't we dominant so far?;)

the cat
Jun 28th, 2003, 02:27 PM
What a fantastic day for the Russian girls! :D Eggy must be having a great time at this years Wimbledon! :)

AKTW
Jun 28th, 2003, 02:30 PM
Congrats all Russian girls! :D :bounce: :bigclap:

goldenlox
Jun 28th, 2003, 02:40 PM
I left out Elena B., who was seeded 21 at this tournament.
There is a real chance of 7 Russians in the top 20.
And imagine the media coverage if Anna could get healthy and have a big run.

Gowza
Jun 28th, 2003, 02:41 PM
i keep forgetting about anna. she really is a top 20 player when she is healthy and has some match play.

fresh2flash
Jun 28th, 2003, 02:59 PM
Magnificent day! :D But now a real test has come for Alyona, Nastya and Vera. I hope at least one will pass it and we'll have at least two quaterfinalists.

ys
Jun 28th, 2003, 03:14 PM
I would put Nastya's chances at about 40%, with Alyona's and Vera's at 20% at best.

ys
Jun 28th, 2003, 03:34 PM
Still it means that we have a quartefinalist for a 5th straght Slam in a row. Can we have a second straight semifinalist.

the cat
Jun 28th, 2003, 04:42 PM
I think Elena Dementieva will give Serena Williams all she can handle. This is the first time they have ever played and Elena has great speed and alot of power just like Serena does. The big difference is the serve. Serena has a great serve and Elena has an average serve at best. But if Serena doesn't have a good serving day, Elena will have a real chance for the upset.

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 28th, 2003, 10:55 PM
What a fantastic day for the Russian girls! :D Eggy must be having a great time at this years Wimbledon! :)

its been awesome all week :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:
but me legs are tired from running from court to court :o

i said before if any less than 3 make last 16 it would be a failure.

saw Nadya's match yesterday and her serve was pretty much off, that more than settled the issue and today she and dokic did a fine "tank job :rolleyes: "

gonna miss Alyona's match on Monday sadly :sad: :sad:
gonna be watching Nastya instead :) then get down to Court 13 from 18 in 2-3 mins to see Masha vs Sveta :angel: :angel: after Max :) ( i have my ways :p)

keep it up girls, 2 in QF would be just AWESOME :)
1 is guaranteed so come on girls beat the Yanks :p

ys
Jun 29th, 2003, 05:35 AM
1 - what it is probably going to be
2 - awesome
3 - in our dreams
4 - in our wildest dreams

the cat
Jun 29th, 2003, 12:16 PM
I think Myskina has a good chance to upset Capriati. :) Especially now that Jennifer's right shoulder is sore.

King Aaron
Jun 29th, 2003, 04:01 PM
Eggy, know why Jelena and Nadia wanted to tank their match?

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 29th, 2003, 04:07 PM
they were both kinds out of it really
Jelena had just lost to Maria.

I'm leaving soon for week 2 (until Thursday at most i think)
bye guys and keep the cheers going :)

go girls go !!!!!!!!!!

sartrista7
Jun 29th, 2003, 04:51 PM
I think Myskina has a good chance to upset Capriati. :) Especially now that Jennifer's right shoulder is sore.

I don't think Capriati's shoulder is sore. I think at 4-4 vs Morigami her ego was a bit sore that Morigami wasn't folding like paper (boom boom), and a 5-minute time out broke Akiko's concentration nicely. If Nastya's playing like she did in the first round, it's another easy win for Capriati... but she must have stepped it up somewhat to beat Martinez.

Go girls :D

tenn_ace
Jun 30th, 2003, 02:34 AM
still happy from what our girls have achieved here... 5 are in the second week??? yappie :)

ys
Jul 1st, 2003, 02:51 PM
By the way, does anyone know what happened to Yevgeny in doubles? I don't remember them losing to Bjorkman/Woodbridge team, yet Bjorkman/Woodbridge advanced..

the cat
Jul 1st, 2003, 05:37 PM
I have never seen Svetlana Kuznetsova play a singles match before. And it only took me watching 1 game, the first game of the Svetlana Kuznetsova - Justine Henin Wimbledon quarterfinal match to realize that Kuznetsova will be the Russian #1 in the not too distant future. She has a good compact serve wit a low ball toss. And she strong and in good condition, too. I can see her being a top 10 player in about a year. And I don't see Elena Dementieva and Anastasia Myskina doing much better than their current rankings.

KV
Jul 1st, 2003, 05:41 PM
I watch the match. Sveta could have made more out of the match. Unfortunately Sveta made too many EU's. But she has the game to trouble somebody like Kim in the near future. A very hardhitter.

ys
Jul 1st, 2003, 06:33 PM
Very disappointing match from Sveta. I can see why she can not be a threat to a top player.

First of all, she is slow. Perhaps overweight, even if that extra weight is muscle, it does not help. Too often she would simply guess where Henin would strike the ball, knowing that with her speed she has little chance ro reach that ball.

Second, no tactics whatsoever.

Third, attitude. She looked like playing a practice match, rather than a Slam quarters. Zvonareva-Venus match had similar scoreline, buth it had so much fight, passion, emotions in it. Up to the very last point Vera believed that she can turn it around. Here we just saw a player going through the motions.

Very disappointing.

smarties
Jul 1st, 2003, 06:49 PM
give her a break for godsake she just turned 18!!!

with her grip, she needs time to set up and Justine's balls were too deep and fast for that, this is not a good surface for her but she's gonna make some major damage on the hardcourts.

goldenlox
Jul 1st, 2003, 08:19 PM
Wimbledon gave us two breakthrough players, Sveta and Maria. Both have at least top 20 potential.
At the French Open, Vera and Nadya had their breakthroughs.
I think every major where at least two Russians move forward like this is a huge success.
I don't know if any of these women are future number ones, but it's just a matter of time until we see incredible Russian players.

Gowza
Jul 2nd, 2003, 02:56 AM
i think it was a quite dissapointing match for sveta but it was the quarter-finals. a breakthrough is a breakthrough. she didn't really go for winners she just hit it back to henin. this was the first time i've prorperly seen her, is that her usual tactic?

tenn_ace
Jul 2nd, 2003, 03:22 AM
Very disappointing match from Sveta. I can see why she can not be a threat to a top player.

First of all, she is slow. Perhaps overweight, even if that extra weight is muscle, it does not help. Too often she would simply guess where Henin would strike the ball, knowing that with her speed she has little chance ro reach that ball.

Second, no tactics whatsoever.

Third, attitude. She looked like playing a practice match, rather than a Slam quarters. Zvonareva-Venus match had similar scoreline, buth it had so much fight, passion, emotions in it. Up to the very last point Vera believed that she can turn it around. Here we just saw a player going through the motions.

Very disappointing.

what a bunch of crap... Justine lost in the first round of her first Wimbledon and look what she's achieved after that... Kim is as muscular/'fat" as Sveta and look where she is ranked today... Mary is/was always slower than Sveta and she is a multiple GS winner... Need I continue???

Give her a break.

Gowza
Jul 2nd, 2003, 03:29 AM
sveta wasn't really slow, she has the capriati build. how tall is she by the way?

ys
Jul 2nd, 2003, 04:00 AM
sveta wasn't really slow, she has the capriati build. how tall is she by the way?

Have you ever seen Capriati not trying to chase dropshots? Sveta would not even move.. On return of serve when quicker players would manage to make two steps towards the serve direction, she could not make one.
It's not Capriati build. It's rather Casanova's build.

goldenlox
Jul 2nd, 2003, 01:56 PM
Remember that Sveta had her thigh wrapped and played three sets the day before.
Sveta and Vera Z. will both get fitter over time. They are 17 and just turned 18. I predict that you won't be disappointed in either player two or three years from now.

ys
Jul 2nd, 2003, 04:22 PM
Remember that Sveta had her thigh wrapped and played three sets the day before.

Maybe that was it. It was just that her movement was so much worse than the quality of what she produced off the ground..

tenn_ace
Jul 2nd, 2003, 04:44 PM
Remember that Sveta had her thigh wrapped and played three sets the day before.
Sveta and Vera Z. will both get fitter over time. They are 17 and just turned 18. I predict that you won't be disappointed in either player two or three years from now.


good point

the cat
Jul 4th, 2003, 02:48 PM
Great points by goldenlox! :D

I know Kuznetsova looked bad against Henin. But Justine makes most players look bad. Especially young players. But I think Svetlana has top 10 potential. :)

Maybe Sveta could be in better shape. But Kim Clijsters is only about 5'8" tall and she weighs over 150 pounds. And even though Clijsters has an extremely thick build, she is as quick as a cat!

And Vera Z. can get into better shape, too.

But the future looks bright for femal Russian tennis players. :D Unfortunately the same cannot be said for male Russian tennis players. :(