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tenn_ace
May 8th, 2003, 01:47 AM
Lena D. was playing 7 or 8 weeks in a row (starting in Mexico)... until she got injured.

Vera Z. commited to play 4 weeks in a row (Bol, Berlin, Rome, Strasbourg) and then to play RG.

Lena L. is playing every tournament in the schedule and I don't even talk about Tat Panova.

My problem with that is their priorities seem to be concentrated on smaller tournaments. It's certainly great to go far in Berlin, Rome and Strasbourg, but if it is at expense of the Slam, why do it?

Leena
May 8th, 2003, 02:03 AM
To make more money, I guess...

I do have to say that Lena Bovina is an exception to the Russian rule though... I wish she'd play more. She's only played low-20's the past 2 years... and even though she's been slightly injured this year, and sick the past few weeks, Lena's barely playing.

Jordan.
May 8th, 2003, 02:27 AM
Vera pulled out of Rome supposedly.

Dava
May 8th, 2003, 07:16 AM
Its what a commentator would call Russian Mentality, ie. make as much money as possible!

tenn_ace
May 8th, 2003, 10:44 AM
glad to hear that about Vera! smart decision :)

AKTW
May 8th, 2003, 11:06 AM
If just because of money,it's not worthwhile to play so much. :(
They should realise the importance of rest!

vaiva
May 8th, 2003, 11:28 AM
Its what a commentator would call Russian Mentality, ie. make as much money as possible!

Making as much money as possible?

It's what I would call stereotype thinking

the cat
May 8th, 2003, 11:53 AM
There schedules are horrendous! :mad: As are Kafelnikov's and Safin's. Some of their injuries have certainly been caused by over playing.

TBE, the image of Russian tennis players playing for money comes from the perception of Yevgeny Kafelnikov playing for money with the over crowded tournament schedule he has played in his career. I'm sure there are many players who play mainly for money. Not just the Russians.

The Russian girls don't really believe they can become great tennis champions like the American players. So they try to play as many tournaments as possible to make as much money as possible. It makes sense in a way. But Dementieva has been artound long enough and has had alot of injuries. She should know better than to play so many weeks in a row. But she still does it anyway. :(

vaiva
May 8th, 2003, 12:37 PM
There schedules are horrendous! :mad: As are Kafelnikov's and Safin's. Some of their injuries have certainly been caused by over playing.

The cat, are you sure you know what you're talking about? Safin does not have a horrendous schedule. Do you know how many tournaments he has played this year? Not forgetting that he's been injured for half of the season. He finished last year playing more tournaments and he did that to make sure he made it to the Masters Cup because of poor results in the middle of the season.

TBE, the image of Russian tennis players playing for money comes from the perception of Yevgeny Kafelnikov playing for money with the over crowded tournament schedule he has played in his career.

This is why I called it stereotype thinking. Russian girls are not Kafelnikov and I'm sure each of them has set and pursuits different goals as they are on different stages of their careers. You cannot bulk them together and draw such generalised statements.

The Russian girls don't really believe they can become great tennis champions like the American players.

Prove it to me.

And least, but not last, please do not forget to add a little "Mrs" when you reply to me. I know me and Eggy are a lovely couple but we still have individual views about tennis and tennis girls ;)

the cat
May 9th, 2003, 12:12 AM
Yes Mrs. TBE, I know what I'm talking about. Safin is playing less this year becaise he has been injured alot.

And I don't want to hear about the Masters. The Masters isn't the end all in men's tennis. Years from now people will remember who won the grand slams, not the Masters, which is just another tournament to me.

Proving that the Russians girls don't believe they can become tennis champions is easy. There aren't any. That was easy! ;) And tennis is still a relatively new sport in Russia, compared to Hockey and Figure Skating. Once Russia starts to produce top female tennis players that can compete at the majors, then they will be ready to make the jump from just another tennis country to an elite tennis country. I hope it happens soon. But I wouldn't bet on it.

I hope that explains things, Mrs. TBE! :)

Leena
May 9th, 2003, 12:19 AM
And least, but not last, please do not forget to add a little "Mrs" when you reply to me. I know me and Eggy are a lovely couple but we still have individual views about tennis and tennis girls

I thought you were the same person... you both put down the peons who know so little about the game. :p

ys
May 9th, 2003, 01:00 AM
I think this is the case when it is pretty normal..

Lena D. was looking for her confidence, for breakthrough. And she planned to rest after AI, but Bovina and Panova let her down and made her play FC singles. After that she immediately cancelled Bol and had a week off. I do not think her schedule a week off is in any relation to her schedule.

Likhovtseva and Panova are professional players with very little endorsments, so they are playing for money, and they rarely go deep into tournaments.

Vera, if she really canceled Rome, is laso OK..

I think it is saner than ever..

tenn_ace
May 9th, 2003, 03:05 AM
Here is a list in terms of # of played tournaments (top 100 in the Race to LA)

last column is the average points per tournament

all data does not include Berlin

vaiva
May 9th, 2003, 09:29 AM
Yes Mrs. TBE, I know what I'm talking about. Safin is playing less this year becaise he has been injured alot.

Not only. Have you seen his provisional schedule before the injuries? And to compare his schedule with Kafelnikov's is an atrocious thing to do. A hint - are you considering doubles as well when you put Safin and YK in the same bag?

And I don't want to hear about the Masters. The Masters isn't the end all in men's tennis. Years from now people will remember who won the grand slams, not the Masters, which is just another tournament to me.

:eek: No comments

Proving that the Russians girls don't believe they can become tennis champions is easy. There aren't any.

Are you pulling my leg, the cat? I cannot believe you're being serious here.

Then who is a champion in your mind? And explain to me how can you beat three top 10 players en route to your maiden tour title without this belief? Otherwise, following your logic, Aliona's title should be called a fluke, shouldn't it?

the cat
May 9th, 2003, 07:46 PM
Calm down Mrs. Eggy. Or should I say Sharky? ;) Da! I have figured out who you really are.

I did not consider doubles with Safin's schedule. You got me there! :eek: I'm kind of pulling your leg, Mrs. Eggy(Sharky). But my comment about real tennis champions means those who have won grand slam championships. And I hope a Russian woman wins a grand slam singles title someday. That would be wonderful! :bounce: And I hope Elena Dementieva's maiden WTA title as you call it, isn't a fluke. Elena had a fine week. But I want to someday see a Russian woman a big time tennis champion like Jennifer Capriati or Mary Pierce. I'm not asking them to become the Williams sisters or Martina Hingis. But one of the Russians should be able to do what Mary Pierce has done. And that's win 2 grand slam titles. I think Dementieva can do it becausee she is tall, fast and an awesome physical specimen! I'm talking athletically speaking of course. :angel: Elena just needs to develope her mental toughness and start to believe that she is special. Then she will have the opprtunity to become a top 5 player.

vaiva
May 10th, 2003, 11:39 AM
Oh cat :kiss:

But you got it so wrong :o

Leena
May 10th, 2003, 04:35 PM
Oh cat :kiss:

But you got it so wrong :o
Because you are always right, Ms. Pompous Ass.

vaiva
May 10th, 2003, 04:44 PM
Because you are always right, Ms. Pompous Ass.

Well, thank you dear

What was so pompous about saying that I'm not Sharky? :confused:

the cat
May 11th, 2003, 01:22 AM
Hi Mrs. TBE! :kiss: I enjoyed our little debate! :D I'd like to think I held my own with you. But perhaps you had the edge. I bet you've been schooled by TBE! ;)

And I guess I'm wrong about you being Sharky. Oh well. No one is perfect. :(

vaiva
May 11th, 2003, 05:30 PM
Indeed, the cat.

But the little faults we have make us so lovable, doesn't it? ;)

the cat
May 17th, 2003, 12:09 PM
Da.