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ys
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:41 PM
This is semi-serious at best, yet..

Consider the possibility, that leaders of most or all movements or rebellions against major superpowers in the world are, in fact, paid agents on service of those superpowers, hired to create a reason for better financing of armies, secret services, to create more orders from military industry companies and to increase the role of security services and army in respective countries. That Chechen leaders in Russia, Osama Bin Laden, mulla Omar, Saddam Hussain ( with his sons ) are doing just that. What would be the first necessary condition for that from those agents and their masters? Obviously, that neither of them would ever been caught..

And guess what, so far none of them was..

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Apr 17th, 2003, 10:17 PM
The thought has crossed my head quite a few times. It would be interesting to know the real truth behind all conflicts. I read a good article yesterday about how the US Defense Dept offered instant American Citizenship to all of the senior republican guard leaders and their families. They proved there point quite well. Sometimes you never know what goes on behin closed doors

King Satan
Apr 17th, 2003, 10:22 PM
We don't even know half of what's going on with all that shit.

empiremaker03
Apr 18th, 2003, 07:10 PM
one never knows what the Council of Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commision, and the Bilderberg groups are up to...we know well now of the Communist conspiracy (see the Black Book of Communism) and how Alger Hiss headed the CFR as general secretary...and of course there is the Skull & Bones Society ('Bonesman) of which G.W. Bush is a member

empiremaker03
Apr 18th, 2003, 07:20 PM
...and that's exactly how it should be... ;)


i don't think so--these bastards should be exposed for the conspiring tyrants that they are to enhance their control over world events and hide the truth...whatever happen to the saying 'truth will set you free'? can there be a true free society under conspiracies to hide the truth?
Was 9/11 allowed to happen? check out this timeline
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911timeline2pg

empiremaker03
Apr 18th, 2003, 07:35 PM
ys...it looks as if the looting of the Iraqi Museum was a conspiracy as well:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/article.php3?table=old&section=current&issue=2003-04-19&id=3011

empiremaker03
Apr 18th, 2003, 07:45 PM
'Diva, i agree mostly with the thoughts of the power structure and the history of those who want world domination...power, it is the theme of LotR but really who among moviegoers took heed of the message that the power to do good is the very same as the power to do evil? not many based on the support of this war...i don't agree with the truth being relative--and i think Aristotle would agree with me;)


..."let's say though, that the conspiracies of these groups are found out and exposed for the heinous acts that they are. then what? will it change anything? will the less-powerful (after being empowered with this new knowledge) then gain the sudden impetus needed to turn the tide? will the powerful ever really care?"...things may not change overnight but overtime such knowledge can help offset I believe further entrenches upon liberty and those who want to control--at least that is what I hope

empiremaker03
Apr 18th, 2003, 08:33 PM
:) ...throughout history, every good man that waged to do right from his humble beginnings, eventually became powerful. and you know what? once he got there...he became just like the people he first set out to derail

oh how Animal Farm details that concept so nicely:)

i believe in an external reality and it's mankinds job to see such and submit...not to have their own reality based in their own minds....it seems to me much of the trouble people have with drug use to trying to escape from reality--of course escaping from reality can take on many entire forms but drugs in almost de facto attempt to wipe out your consciousness and hence your control over attepting to understand external reality

empiremaker03
Apr 19th, 2003, 02:58 PM
'Diva, two things--first the criminal conspiracy called the Mafia. Do you know before the Kennedy administration that many officials believed into ridulous the idea of a bunch of thugs being so organized to have such a wide-range conspiracy? But it was just that. I think it was good to expose many elements of these jackbooted thugs who make a living through extortion. Yes, there was some economic benefit to having paid protection money but with all these types of deals it benefits the few while harming the many...of course the history of the world shows this is usually how things get played out but then it becomes a matter of who the 'few' are--productive individuals who safisfy consumers wants--capitalism, or those who benefit from politcal connections and indirect extortion--socialism...the Communist conspiracy was quite extensive in America and still is in many ways considering their well organized peace rallies to help their methodology of divide and conquer--but to this day McCarthty is villified for having the courage exposing this conspiracy..go figure

second, when talking about what reality for whom you are discussing the primary of consciousness vs. the primary of existence...is there an independent reality apart from our consciousness--i think yes. Reality is reality whether we wish it to be or not as there is no way to escape from the law of causality. You may think you can choose your reality and jump off a building and think you can fly without wings but reality to teach you otherwise. Political organization and the educational system can go a long ways toward just how people within society can get by with disobeying the fact that A is A, the good is productive, the evil is extortion & destruction, the good is benevolent, the evil is maelovent, the good is peace, the evil is war, the good is liberty, the evil is coercion & power, the good is reason, the evil is irrationality...in Atlas Shrugged John Galt states: "Reality is that which exists; the unreal does not exist; the unreal is merely the negation of existence which is the content of a human consciousness when it attempts to abandon reason. Truth is the recognition of reality; reason, man's only means if knowledge, is his only standrad of truth."

yes, Animal Farm is a wonderful book--i always liked that line "all animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."