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Car Key Boi
Apr 15th, 2003, 10:40 PM
Bois are obsessed with having sex with beautiful yuong gurls. Wimmin are obsessed with getting married. Just look at any bookstore or newsstand. A whole section for Bois - porn and adult magazines. And a whole section for women - weddings and brides magazines

bois want sex from gurls. Gurls want wedding rings from bois. Throughout history, women had the leverage. They essentially "unionized" and withheld sex until marriage. The virgin gurls held their ground, while horny yuong bois mastubated in frustration, before finally giving in to marriage and the incredible reward of regular sex

with the wave of American feminism, came the notion that wimmin should be sluts, and desire pre-marital sex just like bois do. Shocked and pleasantly surprised, American bois suddenly had free whores in front of them. No longer do they need to get married to have regular sex. Easy American women were readily available all around

As a result, women have lost their powerful bargaining chip - the one thing bois desire so much; sex. Just look at the #1 reason modern bois are avoiding/delaying marriage: They can get sex without marriage more easily than in times past

http://www.usatoday.com/life/2002/2002-06-26-no-commit-men.htm

as a result, American bois now enjoy the best of both worlds - Fuck & chuck lots of easy American sluts until yuo are 30-40. Then marry a nice beautiful, 18 yr old virgin foreign gurl

Ra!

- Car Key Boi :cool:

Leena
Apr 15th, 2003, 10:49 PM
Some women are obsessed with getting married... those women are attention-starved whiny bitches. Yuo see many of them here. The sad thing with most of these girls are, that since they are attention-starved, they aren't attractive, and yuo don't want to fuck them.

Some women use men for money, power... those are the women yuo want. Unfortunately, these intelligent women will always use yuo, and get what they want for eternity.

The end.

Car Key Boi
Apr 15th, 2003, 10:56 PM
Some women use men for money, power... those are the women yuo want. Unfortunately, these intelligent women will always use yuo, and get what they want for eternity.

The end.

yes indeed

the trick is not to marry them

KNOW THIS

every single married boi that i know, informs me that American wimmin are great for easy casual sex, but they make terrible wives

- Car Key Boi

GBFH
Apr 15th, 2003, 10:58 PM
yes indeed

the trick is not to marry them

KNOW THIS

every single married boi that i know, informs me that American wimmin are great for easy casual sex, but they make terrible wives

- Car Key Boi

And if these guys are anything like you, it's no woner why :rolleyes:

Car Key Boi
Apr 15th, 2003, 11:11 PM
And if these guys are anything like you, it's no woner why :rolleyes:

well, here is part of a discussion on another board

form yuor own opinion

- Car Key Boi :)





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I'm willing to bet the majority of you are married to American women, yet when you look at different posts we're told that we're bad in bed, dress like men, not feminine, need to be more ladylike, nothing compared to Asian women, etc., etc.

Why date us? Why marry us? Why not search out some Asian woman since they're so much better than us?
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I'm willing to bet the majority of you are married to American women, yet when you look at different posts we're told that we're bad in bed, dress like men, not feminine, need to be more ladylike, nothing compared to Asian women, etc., etc.

Why date us? Why marry us? Why not search out some Asian woman since they're so much better than us?

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Because they're angry nerds who believe that being nice is enough and that any woman who doesn't like them is a materialistic bitch who only likes assholes.

In other words, consider the source.


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I'm willing to bet the majority of you are married to American women, yet when you look at different posts we're told that we're bad in bed, dress like men, not feminine, need to be more ladylike, nothing compared to Asian women, etc., etc.

Why date us? Why marry us? Why not search out some Asian woman since they're so much better than us?

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Simple... marry an american woman lose your house, lose your kids, lose your car, lose 55% of your lifetime income. What's so difficult to understand?

Don't believe me? Look at the divorce data even feminist site's data bears this out.
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Why date us? Why marry us? Why not search out some Asian woman since they're so much better than us?

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I didn't and I'm dating a beautiful, well-mannered, east-euro babe who is the sweetest person alive. Unlike the sociopathic, parasitic, money-grubbing, selfish, damaged goods americanized WHORES that I've dealt with in the past.

This gf actuall CLEANS up my place, without giving me ANY shit, because she knows I provide to her the traditional needs a traditional man provides, and she accepts and loves the role of a traditional, subserviant woman in a relationship.
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I didn't and I'm dating a beautiful, well-mannered, east-euro babe who is the sweetest person alive. Unlike the sociopathic, parasitic, money-grubbing, selfish, damaged goods americanized WHORES that I've dealt with in the past.

This gf actuall CLEANS up my place, without giving me ANY shit, because she knows I provide to her the traditional needs a traditional man provides, and she accepts and loves the role of a traditional, subserviant woman in a relationship.

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She have a younger sister? Which east European country?
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I'm willing to bet the majority of you are married to American women, yet when you look at different posts we're told that we're bad in bed, dress like men, not feminine, need to be more ladylike, nothing compared to Asian women, etc., etc.

Why date us? Why marry us? Why not search out some Asian woman since they're so much better than us?

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We like American women for easy casual sex.
But sorry, you make terrible wives.

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We like American women for easy casual sex.
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How would you know you 13 year old pimple faced shit? You have never been with an American, Asian, Euro, African, Indian, or any type of woman. You post this shit all the time, but you would take a piece of 75 year old American grandma pussy if you could get it. Stick to talking about shit you know about, Clearasil and shopping at Old Navy. Asshole.

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Daily reminder: All women are great for casual sex, but marriage is THE DUMBEST primitive idea that has survived into modern times when applied to women who are not virgins:

marriage: You pledge your lifes income and support to her, she gives you ABSOFUCKINLOOTLY NOTHING.
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We like American women for easy casual sex.
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Explain. Why do we make such terrible wives?
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marriage: You pledge your lifes income and support to her, she gives you ABSOFUCKINLOOTLY NOTHING.

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Not true. She can crank out lots of babies which carries your DNA into the future. And she nurtures and raises the kids while you're out hunting or closing deals.

:babyfactory:

Unfortunately, American women only crank out 1 or 2 babies, do it when they're over 30 and more prone to birth defects and downs syndrome, and then pass off the kids to be raised by strangers (daycare/nanny).

decemberlove
Apr 16th, 2003, 12:19 AM
marriage: You pledge your lifes income and support to her, she gives you ABSOFUCKINLOOTLY NOTHING.

Not true. She can crank out lots of babies which carries your DNA into the future. And she nurtures and raises the kids while you're out hunting or closing deals.

:babyfactory:

Unfortunately, American women only crank out 1 or 2 babies, do it when they're over 30 and more prone to birth defects and downs syndrome, and then pass off the kids to be raised by strangers (daycare/nanny).

and thank god they only crank out 1 or 2 babies... as if there arent enough fucking idiots in this world.

usatoday article:
A man just wants a wife "to look good, provide great sex, join in his recreational activities and tell him he is wonderful," says Harley, a marital therapist based in White Bear Lake, Minn.

Women's requirements are much broader, he says. "They want affection. They want to feel loved. They want a great conversationalist, a man who is funny, a good father for their kids, someone who is attractive, a good sexual partner, a man who is ambitious and successful. And most men are simply not" all these things, he says.

this article is bullshit. trying to blame divorce on one sex or the other. the problem is nobody compromises anymore. people dont understand that a marriage takes work.. you have to give a lil. cant just marry someone, live with them your entire life, and think all will be fine and dandy. the problem... americans nowadays are a bunch of whiny, selfish pussies and the minute something goes wrong they want to bail. parents arent doing a good enough job cos they are all about their own self and it doesnt seem to be changing anytime soon. then their children dont know any real affection n love cos they were thrown in front of a tv during their entire childhood... and that affects their relationships when they're older. its a vicious cycle and we wont learn until its far too late.

Sam L
Apr 16th, 2003, 12:24 AM
I think there be way too much generalizing going on here.

decemberlove
Apr 16th, 2003, 12:29 AM
I think there be way too much generalizing going on here.

yeah ive noticed that comes with the sociology territory

Crazy Canuck
Apr 16th, 2003, 01:15 AM
Some women are obsessed with getting married... those women are attention-starved whiny bitches. Yuo see many of them here. The sad thing with most of these girls are, that since they are attention-starved, they aren't attractive, and yuo don't want to fuck them.

Some women use men for money, power... those are the women yuo want. Unfortunately, these intelligent women will always use yuo, and get what they want for eternity.

The end.
It's not actually that simple. If you choose to believe evolutionary pyschological theory, in general (;)) women are searching for a long time stable mate, while men are looking for something young and fertile. In which case it would be wrong to generalize (like I just did;)) and assume that only whiny bitchy unattractive women want to get married. Au contraire, I know of many whiny, bitchy, beautiful women who want to get married too ;)

Leena
Apr 16th, 2003, 01:17 AM
I know it's wrong to generalize, because there's always exceptions to the rule... but I just gave my honest negative opinion.

tennischick
Apr 16th, 2003, 01:39 AM
this explains why so many American men look for wives from developing countries. they never had it so good...;)

empiremaker03
Apr 16th, 2003, 02:03 AM
yes, there is a lot to all what CKB posted but the situation also has to do with economics, which really can explain most everything that why its such an interesting subject...feminism has many different meanings--at its best is having women having all the opportunities men have (leaving aside easy sex) and at its worst it is men-hating...but i guess i missed all this wonderful change me being a lost soul in the Puritan Age...

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 03:07 AM
If men want to know why American women make horrible wives, perhaps they should analyze their behavior first. If they weren't constantly looking for something better, then there would be fewer problems. I don't see what's wrong with not wanting to be treated like an indentured servant, or as filler until the younger upgrade comes along. But if no man is willing to live up to these "lofty" standards, then I have no problem being a "spinster". Wash your own socks.

BK4ever
Apr 16th, 2003, 03:15 AM
Fuck all this crap...

I don't want to get married or have kids...and I don't need no man for his dough...

All I want is a man who doesnt want to get married or have any kids...he must have an income comparable to mine...aint marrying nobody and then have to give up my spa visits and trips to Paris...those luxuries are non-negotiable...so I guess I am concerned with money...a lil bit

Relationships don't work out anymore...because everyone takes the easy way out...no one tries to work shit out anymore...its like "lets break up" or "lets get a divorce"...SAD!

empiremaker03
Apr 16th, 2003, 03:20 AM
I don't see what's wrong with not wanting to be treated like an indentured servant

ewww i would not think of it...i actually prefer women more successful & intelligent than I b/c i like to admire (hmmm, Marti comes to mind :) ) and don't think i'd like to see a wife washing socks--think i'd outsouce it ;)

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 03:25 AM
ewww i would not think of it...i actually prefer women more successful & intelligent than I b/c i like to admire (hmmm, Marti comes to mind :) ) and don't think i'd like to see a wife washing socks--think i'd outsouce it ;)

;) you're a real rarity ;)
I agree with BK4ever. Having kids doesn't at all appeal to me...but I could do marriage. But not at the expense of my career. I have no intention of working 40+ hours a week and coming home to cook and clean for some lazy slob. That fucker will be shot, first.

empiremaker03
Apr 16th, 2003, 03:33 AM
;) you're a real rarity ;)
I agree with BK4ever. Having kids doesn't at all appeal to me...but I could do marriage. But not at the expense of my career. I have no intention of working 40+ hours a week and coming home to cook and clean for some lazy slob. That fucker will be shot, first.

i like your attitude...just not the language :rolleyes:

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 03:48 AM
i like your attitude...just not the language :rolleyes:

*shrug* to each his own

decemberlove
Apr 16th, 2003, 03:54 AM
i like your attitude...just not the language :rolleyes:

I like her language

empiremaker03
Apr 16th, 2003, 04:01 AM
really? i think swearing should only be done by men ;)

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 04:01 AM
I like her language

:o thank you :)

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 04:02 AM
really? i think swearing should only be done by men ;)

And I think only men should do yard work and heavy lifting :)

empiremaker03
Apr 16th, 2003, 04:02 AM
i don't think that should be sth to be proud of but then again I have strange ideas

empiremaker03
Apr 16th, 2003, 04:04 AM
And I think only men should do yard work and heavy lifting :)

yes of course while the ladies work the kitchen :p

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 04:12 AM
yes of course while the ladies work the kitchen :p

:p screw that!!! I'll cook, but no cleaning!! I'm a good cook, so I think the man should be honored to do the dishes ;)

Crazy Canuck
Apr 16th, 2003, 04:16 AM
If men want to know why American women make horrible wives, perhaps they should analyze their behavior first. If they weren't constantly looking for something better, then there would be fewer problems. I don't see what's wrong with not wanting to be treated like an indentured servant, or as filler until the younger upgrade comes along. But if no man is willing to live up to these "lofty" standards, then I have no problem being a "spinster". Wash your own socks.
Nicely said ;)

I agree with what a few of you have already said... I'm hardly spending my days worrying about whether or not I"ll find my Prince Charming (excuse me while I puke), and I'm not about to warp myself into something I"m not so that I can be a temporary thing of amusement for some caveman ;)

empiremaker03
Apr 16th, 2003, 04:18 AM
:p screw that!!! I'll cook, but no cleaning!! I'm a good cook, so I think the man should be honored to do the dishes ;)

nice, i'll take a good stir fry...i'll do the dishes *honored* but u just cannot watch :o (no dishwasher:confused:)

i ate Thai food tonight beef with oyster sauce :lick:

time to drive back home--take care and continue to enjoy watching all the exciting hockey :) :wavey:

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 04:22 AM
Nicely said ;)

I agree with what a few of you have already said... I'm hardly spending my days worrying about whether or not I"ll find my Prince Charming (excuse me while I puke), and I'm not about to warp myself into something I"m not so that I can be a temporary thing of amusement for some caveman ;)

Hey, my 1000th post...I'm just gonna dry a tear of joy at not being banned by mother vaiva, yet ;)

The latter point I totally agree with. I tried that with my ex, and it only made me an un-virgin (is that a word? well...it is now) and miserable. Prince Charming is a cad :)

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 04:25 AM
nice, i'll take a good stir fry...i'll do the dishes *honored* but u just cannot watch :o (no dishwasher:confused:)

i ate Thai food tonight beef with oyster sauce :lick:

time to drive back home--take care and continue to enjoy watching all the exciting hockey :) :wavey:

You could always take the "Don't Tell Mom The Babysitter's Dead" approach and shoot all of the dishes ;) "the dishes are DONE, man!"

hope you have a safe ride! talk to ya, later ;)

doloresc
Apr 16th, 2003, 11:43 AM
with the wave of American feminism, came the notion that wimmin should be sluts, and desire pre-marital sex just like bois do. Shocked and pleasantly surprised, American bois suddenly had free whores in front of them. No longer do they need to get married to have regular sex. Easy American women were readily available all around

As a result, women have lost their powerful bargaining chip - the one thing bois desire so much; sex. Just look at the #1 reason modern bois are avoiding/delaying marriage: They can get sex without marriage more easily than in times past

i've always been amused by the bruised egos of men when they (finally) realized that women can use them for sex as well. independent heterosexual women had their own careers, their own money and when they needed libidinal fulfillment they turned to men, got it and then went about their merry way much to the chagrin of men who stared at them thinking, "wait a minute. that's my job." :)

Car Key Boi
Apr 16th, 2003, 02:56 PM
This troll thread has been brought to yuo courtesy of the Car Key Boi :D http://carkeyboi.com/dump/spiderdance.gif

Car Key Boi
Apr 16th, 2003, 03:06 PM
well, it's half a troll, half serious

i'm a great believer in paying attention to what the market says, i trust the news network of the Trading Bois more than any official news network in the world and on this subject, the nature and the quantity of those magazine titles tell the troof

on a personal level i'm all for equilibrium amongst the sexes and i have no problem with a chick using me for sex :D so i assure yuo that there's no bruised CKB ego in that regard :)

do i think there would ever be total equilibrium? no, the majority of typists will always be gurls and the majority of combat troops will always be bois and the same applies for airline pilots and truck drivers blah

do i think all American wimmin are parasitic money-grabbing whores? of course not, however they do exist, perhaps there's a higher quota in America than in other parts of the world

in regard to the developing countries that TC :kiss: mentioned, there is more of a culture that the primary role of the female is to get married asap and have kids blah, and most of them seem to enjoy that role- is that a good thing? it's hard to offer an opinion, if they are happy with that way of life, i for one am not going to tell them they should change their disposition

in spite of appearances i'm actually a very liberal guy, live and let live is my motto (btw, most so called 'liberals' are not anything of the sort, they like to force their values on society)

do i think the CKB will ever get married? probably not, i enjoy my life just the way it is thank yuo very much, but i never say never

just recently, when i was in one of those 'developing countries' i actually met a woman who i actually gave some consideration, perhaps not actually getting married as such, but in regards to spending my life with, however she was NOT the domestic slave all day in the kitchen type - although she's from the Caribbean, she was educated in Oxford UK and has lived and worked in Florida but she's since moved back home where she currently works for a national bank in the foreign investment dept

so there yuo have it, being married to someone just to have them pick up my shit after me does not interest me, for that i can and do employ a cleaner (and yes, she's a woman but what do yuo want me to do? put an ad in the paper "cleaner wanted, only bois need apply" ?)

- Car Key Boi

ys
Apr 16th, 2003, 03:27 PM
American women want too much to be like men. They walk like men, they talk like men, they try to behave with a masculine confidence, they try to look business-like, like men.. And you are right, that's all feminist's fault ..

Car Key Boi
Apr 16th, 2003, 05:16 PM
American women want too much to be like men. They walk like men, they talk like men, they try to behave with a masculine confidence, they try to look business-like, like men.. And you are right, that's all feminist's fault ..

well, i wouldn't dump all the blame at the feet of the feminists...

and to be honest, most of the chicks i know are very business-like, but they have to be if they wanna survive in that environment and i don't really see anything wrong with that

as i said, although i'm a non-PC asshole and i give the impression on this board of being a total sexist bastard, i'm actually very pro-wimmins' rights (and i don't actually fart in bed after sex just to get rid of em, i was just trolling, as usual, when i said that in my other thread :D )

however, although i'm pro-wimmins' rights, they have to understand it's a two-way street and it made me laugh when those feminist activists were pissing & moaning when Kim Basinger got sued by her ex for alimony and she lost

- Car Key Boi :)

empiremaker03
Apr 16th, 2003, 05:19 PM
...and now feminism is going to be exported to the Middle East :eek:

"they talk like men" that is a most terrible consequence :rolleyes:

hope you have a safe ride! talk to ya, later ;)

thanks for that:kiss:...i needed it b/c it was nothing but a terrible driving rainstorm for an hour

Car Key Boi
Apr 16th, 2003, 06:24 PM
great post DD :kiss:

the Car Key Boi salutes YUO!

- Car Key Boi :wavey:

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 08:22 PM
I enjoyed your post DD...but there were one or two things I didn't agree with...

1. there is no shame in allowing your man to lead. i can't fathom being the boss at work and being the boss at home. in my opinion...however ancient it may be...a man is still the king of his castle. i love that idea and where there is mutual respect and love...it really does work.

Case in point ;) Where you see there's no shame in a man leading, why should you, as a woman, be embarassed to take charge? Maybe it's all ego, or an aversion to authority, but I don't like the idea of a man leading me by the nose. When I get out school, I know I'll deserve my (hopefully substantial) income, and I don't see why I have to take a back seat to a dude just because he's male...that's ridiculous.

2. there is no shame in taking care of your man (in every way)...as a matter of fact, if you're in a relationship, and there's a serious amount of care...this shouldn't even be asked for. it's an automatic response to caring.

I don't know what exactly you mean by this. Take care of him? If he's over the age of 18, I would hope he can do this by himself...I'll be emotionally caring, if that's what you mean. But I'm not his mother.

3. there is no need for us to whore ourselves in order to gain equality. once again, these are my own opinions. but i've seen instances where they really do work and where the alternative has been disastrous. i still feel that there is something to be said for respecting yourself enough to not spread your legs in the name of equality or just so that you can say, "anything he can do i can do better." call it old-fashioned...but when you're alone, with your own thoughts, and you allow yourself to truly be real with who you are...you can't tell me that casual, meaningless sex doesn't make you feel just a tad bit cheap.

again, my ideas are based on being in a mutually loving and respectful relationship...there's still something to be said about having the forbearance to not follow the herd. times may change, yes. but the antiquated stream of behaviors that together make up what we call self-worth...will always be the same.

This, however, I totally agree. Promiscuity never translated into "liberation"...at least to me. And if you're gonna do that, at least charge the guys :p (for someone special, no, that's not supposed to be funny :p)

Great post, DD :wavey:

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:13 PM
hey gbfh...lol. i still haven't mastered this whole reply thing and haven't for the life of me been able to split up the comments and reply per paragraph...anyway...here goes...

Here's the trick, after the end of a paragraph, type in [/QUOTE] that separates the big chunks...and at the beginning of the next paragraph type at the beginning and at the end of that paragraph....don't know if that helps or not ;)

again...at the risk of sounding corny, let me explain myself. being led around by the nose is not what i'm talking about. however, as i've said that my thoughts were in regard to being in a loving, caring and mature relationship...let me tell you. if i knew for a fact that my man loved me...would do anything for me...adored me...i wouldn't mind being led around by him. why? because the relationship is such that there is enough trust to know that the other person would never do anything to hurt you. one of the arts of being a woman that i feel has been lost, is that of allowing ourselves to enjoy...even relish...a man's presence in our lives. so this doesn't involve taking a backseat of any kind. it's mutual. it's loving...it's good for you both.

taking care of him. when you find yourself in a relationship that is nurturing this way...taking care of him is a no-brainer. i'm not talking about being his mother. i'm talking about caring enough to want to make his life comfortable because in doing so...you're happy. when your main goals in life is that of making each other happy and comfortable...you couldn't ask for anything more. i guess in the end it involves the stripping away of our own selfish needs by putting the needs of a loved one before ours. you do reap what you sow...and in the give and take of relationships, let me tell you...a woman has much more power than she thinks when it comes to how her man loves her...it simply involves allowing ourselves to be women...not men. so no...i don't mind washing socks...lol. why? because i know that today i'll wash his socks...and tonight he'll wash my back and everything else i want him to wash. and it's not game-playing either...it's mutual fulfillment. :)


LOL, and this is why you will be married, and not me ;)

I simply don't believe anybody other than me has my best interests at heart. Selfishness is key to your happiness too, ya know. And if some dude doesn't like me for not having him at the center of my universe...too bad. I hardly think a guys' gf/wife is at the top of his priorities, and it shouldn't be. Life for yourself.

decemberlove
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:27 PM
I simply don't believe anybody other than me has my best interests at heart. Selfishness is key to your happiness too, ya know. And if some dude doesn't like me for not having him at the center of my universe...too bad. I hardly think a guys' gf/wife is at the top of his priorities, and it shouldn't be. Life for yourself.

i used to feel the same way. but love is about giving and selfishness [too much of it anyway] will get in the way. i've met a few [FEW] men in my life who have completely changed my opinion. i think when you are married that person SHOULD be at the top of your list... i just feel thats why marriages have so many problems cos their partner isn't a top priority. love is very demanding but if you both give a little it can have wonderful rewards.
finding the right person is never easy of course. but opinions change over the course of your life and im sure [i hope] one day yours will too. :)

ok now i sound like a sob enough :)

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:27 PM
lol...thanks for the explanation...

you might be surprised, gbfh...just as you aren't the same person you were at 16...trust me, you won't be the same person when you're 25. that's the beauty of this thing called life...it's ever changing... ;)


People change, I hate that expression...probably because it's true. And I know you didn't want the explanation ;) Cynicism isn't always the solution, I guess.

decemberlove
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:30 PM
I am glad to hear some of the women here feeling okay to say "I don't want children"... I often feel like most people think that 'motherhood' defines a woman.. I especially felt like this when i went home in the Islands and in my family/culture...its like you don't have kids yet..what is wrong with you..I'm like more of you should have waited to have yours :eek:

my abuela has been pressuring me to get married [always to a doctor too ha!] since i was about 11. im 20 now and since then ive had two long serious relationships and everytime it's "when are you getting married? yknow when i was your age i already had your mother". i have this problem with both the cuban side and italian side of my family. neither have been in america too long and they just aren't used to the way of life yet. and at their age, i dont think theyll ever accept anything other than their way. :)

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:36 PM
i used to feel the same way. but love is about giving and selfishness [too much of it anyway] will get in the way. i've met a few [FEW] men in my life who have completely changed my opinion. i think when you are married that person SHOULD be at the top of your list... i just feel thats why marriages have so many problems cos their partner isn't a top priority. love is very demanding but if you both give a little it can have wonderful rewards.
finding the right person is never easy of course. but opinions change over the course of your life and im sure [i hope] one day yours will too. :)

ok now i sound like a sob enough :)

You're not a sob, and neither is DD...I let my emotions get in the way of appreciating what DD posted. The only *serious* relationship I had, the guy tried to absorb me into his life...like I was supposed to have no opinions but his, and live around his social-schedule (i.e., where selfishness went bad). So compromising and giving up my freedom don't really appeal to me ;) But thank you for the good wishes :)

Sure, being good to your man is a must...and your partner should be a high priority...but I don't think it's number one. That's just too high an expectation, for either party.

decemberlove
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:43 PM
Love...agree again ;) Now that i have you here and after i read that you don't read PMs...are you of Cuban descent? I think i vaguely remember that from somewhere..have you ever vistied the Island? I am thinking of visiting and would love some suggestions if you have any..I am not sure yet but.... I think we might disagree on one thing..I still believe in the Revolution ;) :wavey:

oh i read them but i am sometimes slow to reply. i would, of course, reply to you thou :)

but yes, im half cuban. my mother was born there... my abuelo fought against castro [lost obviously] took the family... told the airport they were visiting family in america... and never came back. my whole feeling about the revolution is very iffy... its such a touchy subject in my family.

ive never been there. we were actually planning to go before 9.11 happened... sometime summer 2002.. but then came along 9.11 and now everyone is paranoid. i still have lots of family over there... many nurses and doctors whom castro wouldnt let them leave.

i do plan on visiting someday... its such a beautiful place.
ill ask the family thou about some places... my abuela loves talking about it... so im sure she wont mind :)

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:44 PM
hahhaha Love..I just wrote that other post before i saw this :D tell me about it..I felt like when i hit 18 and had no kids, i was being praised, after i hit 25..it was like..what is wrong with you :eek: My mom is cool about it even though she already had a 6 year old at my age but my aunts and grandmother annoy the hell out of me..I am in no rush because i think its the single most important job in the world and although i know there is no 'perfect' time, I want to be a complete person first, so i won't put that shit on my kids..in my field of work, i see too many fucked up kids because of their parents....to do that to someone else...people say its selfish to not want kids, I think its selfish to have kids just for having them..end of rant

BLESS YOU, BLESS YOU!!!!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

decemberlove
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:54 PM
You're not a sob, and neither is DD...I let my emotions get in the way of appreciating what DD posted. The only *serious* relationship I had, the guy tried to absorb me into his life...like I was supposed to have no opinions but his, and live around his social-schedule (i.e., where selfishness went bad). So compromising and giving up my freedom don't really appeal to me ;) But thank you for the good wishes :)


aye i went out with someone like that... so i can see where you would get that negative view from. the relationship didnt last too long at all... i got out before i was trapped. thou he ended up stalking me after i ended it. he didn't stop for months. even after about 6 months i would find him driving by my friends houses while i was there.. and this was about a year n a half later. and THAT IS THE REASON I AM ALWAYS INVISIBLE. call me paranoid... i take no chances.

ha it seems us girls have taken over yet another thread muahahaha :devil:

Car Key Boi
Apr 16th, 2003, 09:56 PM
holy shit!!

what was a typical CKB troll thread (well, half a troll) has resulted in some very thoughtful and insightful posts

Bajangurl, DD, GBFH, decemberlove, yuo gurls rock

love to all of yuo from the Car Key Boi :hearts: :kiss: :wavey:

empiremaker03
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:00 PM
CKB--just don't go scratching these ladies cars that they bought through such hard laborous work

decemberlove
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:03 PM
hahhaha Love..I just wrote that other post before i saw this :D tell me about it..I felt like when i hit 18 and had no kids, i was being praised, after i hit 25..it was like..what is wrong with you :eek: My mom is cool about it even though she already had a 6 year old at my age but my aunts and grandmother annoy the hell out of me..I am in no rush because i think its the single most important job in the world and although i know there is no 'perfect' time, I want to be a complete person first, so i won't put that shit on my kids..in my field of work, i see too many fucked up kids because of their parents....to do that to someone else...people say its selfish to not want kids, I think its selfish to have kids just for having them..end of rant :wavey:

EXACTLTY. if you dont mind me asking, what do you do? i have so many friends taht are completely miserable and fucked up cos their parents didn't pay any attentionto them cos they were too busy learning who they are. people shouldn't have children for the sake of having them... just to carry on their name or so they wont be lonely in the future. that is entirely selfish. ha i could go on forever about this cos it makes me so angry...

my boyfriend actually feels some pressure to get married and have children as well. hes 26 and his younger brother already has a 3 year old daughter. his mother used to ask me all the time when we're getting married... too much pressure for me. i was only 18 at the time.

i still dont know if i want kids. if i actually dont give birth to any [the whole process terrifies me :)] i will prolly eventually end up adopting.

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:06 PM
aye i went out with someone like that... so i can see where you would get that negative view from. the relationship didnt last too long at all... i got out before i was trapped. thou he ended up stalking me after i ended it. he didn't stop for months. even after about 6 months i would find him driving by my friends houses while i was there.. and this was about a year n a half later. and THAT IS THE REASON I AM ALWAYS INVISIBLE. call me paranoid... i take no chances.

ha it seems us girls have taken over yet another thread muahahaha :devil:

Holy crap!! Did you ever get the police involved? You may be paranoid, but it doesn't mean people aren't following you.

GBFH
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:15 PM
i know what you mean dl...i am the child of my parents old age. a surprise who came along after they were done with baby making...but the beauty of that situation is that i was raised by mature, solid, secure people who taught me to reason as an adult. i've seen kids having kids and it's so sad...because the circle of low self-esteem (caused when you don't get enough attention) just continues and spirals with each progressive generation....

Totally...my sister has a friend who got pregnant when she was 17, and wanted to keep it. She had a miscarriage not too long after, and we all thought, "it's terrible, but such a blessing in disguise. She's too young, and shouldn't tie herself down like that." but what does she do? She gets pregnant again, INTENTIONALLY! I'm certainly not the modicum of selflessness, but I wouldn't have a kid just to fill some void in my life...that's plain cruelty.

decemberlove
Apr 16th, 2003, 10:19 PM
Love...I know the subject of the revolution is touchy in most Cuban families..I just got done reading a book about Cuba--I wish i could hear your abuela's stories :) I ofcourse have some 'romantic' notions about Cuba and the revolution but I do think the embargo should end. I was planning on going on one of those 'cultural' exchange programs and just heard that the US is stopping those at end of 2003, so i would have to go 'illegally'. Although I am not a US citizen, i might not have a problem..they do let Cuban exiles travel freely there no, if they want to :confused: ..I'm still confused about a lot of the travel laws although i read up on it...I hope you also get to visit sometime soon :D

ugh the embargo is so unnecessary. 40 years is long enough. time to get over the grudge and move on. dont think it will happen with a republican in office... i can hope... but i doubt. it seems no one even cares about cuba anymore.
when we were going to travel to cuba we were going to go via canada. im pretty confused myself about the travel laws.. they seem to change constantly. im sure if the american gov't did find out you went they would question your motives. then you would really have stalkers ;)

i went to canada about 5 years ago with my parents. on our way back to america they asked my parents where they were born. well my mother said havana, cuba and then uh-oh we were there for about an hour cos she didnt have her birth certificate on her. the car was searched and everything. ugh.

decemberlove
Apr 17th, 2003, 04:23 AM
Holy crap!! Did you ever get the police involved? You may be paranoid, but it doesn't mean people aren't following you.

no i didnt cos my father and his father were VERY close growing up and my parents felt the whole situation was my fault [somehow i made him a psycho boyfriend who cheated on ME with HIS best girl "friend"... silly of me to trust them together...]. but he got his. turns out he married some girl who, whenever she gets mad at him, cuts up ALL his clothes. ha. hes in the marines... married her before he shipped out. i assume hes somewhere out in the mideast... but dont know and frankly, dont care :)

Dawn Marie
Apr 17th, 2003, 04:41 AM
Marriage is not for everybody and I personally do not want to get married ever!

I have no problem with anyone who chooses to get married and for some it is wonderful, but it's not for eveybody.

eshell
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:02 PM
CKB, you are entitled to your opinions but your lack of context confounds me.

Thanks for this oversimplified sound bite of an opinion.

Car Key Boi
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:09 PM
CKB, you are entitled to your opinions but your lack of context confounds me.

Thanks for this oversimplified sound bite of an opinion.

well, yuo obviously yuo haven't read the whole thread from start to finish

DD and Bajangurl's points are basically the same as mine

Thanks for yuor oversimplified sound bite of an opinion

eshell
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:25 PM
CKB, I did indeed read the entire thread. I'm glad that some posters agreeing with you gave you the validation you sought.

Again, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. I respectfully choose to disagree on this topic.

Helen Lawson
Apr 17th, 2003, 07:34 PM
No feminists exist in my world. Anne Welles, the dope, she slept with Lyon Burke without getting that engagement ring. Oh sure, she pressured him, and made him stay at the local motel in Lawrenceville when he came to visit her in her old family home after her mother's death, but she still had to sneak out of his apartment in New York City at 4 a.m. Then they shacked up in Malibu after she became the Gillian Girl, but he still would not marry her. Then he briefly dumped her for Neely and she moved back to Lawrenceville for good. In the end, after Neely showed her TRUE colors, Lyon went to Lawrenceville and begged Anne to marry him. But you see, Lyon had already broken her heart so bad and with years of taking the green ones, Anne just told him that for years that was all she wanted to hear from him, but that now she felt nothing. She then left him in the house and went for a walk in the snowy woods with a stick, presumably, rejecting his marriage proposal.

The moral of the story for Anne and many other women is this: Giving away the milk without making the man buy the cow, means the man will NEVER marry you, and even if he asks you years later, you will be too disallusioned to accept from years of shame, and abusing the green ones.

Car Key Boi
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:11 PM
CKB, I did indeed read the entire thread. I'm glad that some posters agreeing with you gave you the validation you sought.

Again, everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. I respectfully choose to disagree on this topic.

yuo talk about lack of context and yet yuo just offer an opinion with nothing of substance to back it up

i respectfully choose to tell yuo to post something of substance, otherwise

http://carkeyboi.com/cupofSTFU.jpg

eshell
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:36 PM
I'm not here to have a go at CKB. On the contrary, I read the thread and thought about the concept.

I have no problem with the thought that anyone, male or female, could want to save sex for marriage or a committed relationship. You find no arguments from me there.

I disagree with the 'lesson' posted that feminism taught women to be sluts. Furthermore, I disagree with the implication that without feminism, women would be "chaste".\

Feminism would not be the only 'culprit' in the change of American mores around sex.

Feminists did not invent the birth control pill.
Feminists did not cause WWII to happen, thereby allowing more women to enter the workplace and gain more economic freedoms.
Feminist did not cause the social upheaval in the US in the 50s & 60s which led to the push for equal rights.

Do I absolve 'feminism' from any culpability? The answer is no. I simply reiterate that the way this argument was presented oversimplified many historical, political, psycho-social, and economic contexts for the change in mores.

I respect CKB and you, Bajangurl. Again, I choose to respectfully disagree with the initial assertion as posited by CKB.

eshell
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:37 PM
By the way, CKB, thanks for the nice STFU. LOL! I always enjoy seeing that pic.

No ill feelings here...just a difference of opinion.

Car Key Boi
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:55 PM
I'm not here to have a go at CKB. On the contrary, I read the thread and thought about the concept.

I have no problem with the thought that anyone, male or female, could want to save sex for marriage or a committed relationship. You find no arguments from me there.

I disagree with the 'lesson' posted that feminism taught women to be sluts. Furthermore, I disagree with the implication that without feminism, women would be "chaste".\

Feminism would not be the only 'culprit' in the change of American mores around sex.

Feminists did not invent the birth control pill.
Feminists did not cause WWII to happen, thereby allowing more women to enter the workplace and gain more economic freedoms.
Feminist did not cause the social upheaval in the US in the 50s & 60s which led to the push for equal rights.

Do I absolve 'feminism' from any culpability? The answer is no. I simply reiterate that the way this argument was presented oversimplified many historical, political, psycho-social, and economic contexts for the change in mores.

I respect CKB and you, Bajangurl. Again, I choose to respectfully disagree with the initial assertion as posited by CKB.

a decent post, the Car Key Boi salutes YUO! :wavey:

in regard to my initial assertion, i did make a subsequent post informing everyone that it was half a troll ;)

and no hard feelings from myself either :kiss:

eshell
Apr 17th, 2003, 08:58 PM
CKB, you ain't bad. How about a beer? (you pay, of course)

:worship:

Car Key Boi
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:13 PM
CKB, you ain't bad. How about a beer? (you pay, of course)

:worship:

lol, sure i'll have a beer with ya, but do yuo always get all yuor bois to pay for everything? :D

Helen Lawson
Apr 17th, 2003, 09:45 PM
I wish Anne Welles would find this message board and post her opinion here, as she is not a feminist but was burned by giving it away too early. She was the good girl with the million dolllar face with all the bad breaks. She took the green ones.