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Buitenzorg
Apr 13th, 2003, 11:52 PM
The WTA competition is getting tougher and tougher :D

On The paper The Williams sisters are still the best player in the world, but Their dominant has broke (let say this year 2003)

VENUS lost to Shaughnessy
SERENA lost to Henin-Hardenne

Especially UNBEATABLE "Serena" has come to an end!

Mrs. Peel
Apr 13th, 2003, 11:53 PM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Its going to take more than one loss to do that sweetheart..

K155-k155
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:24 AM
:bounce:

K155-k155
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:25 AM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Its going to take more than one loss to do that sweetheart..

:p Don't you worry, there are many more to come ;)

CJ07
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:27 AM
Sorry but winning 6 out the last 7 GS is dominating

K155-k155
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:29 AM
Sorry but winning 6 out the last 7 GS is dominating

You know there is a possibility for them to Lose their next 6 GS Final ;)

Infiniti2001
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:52 AM
Find me a player with a better record than Serena. Name one , anyone. If you can't then Serena is still domninat...Her sister ain't doing too shabby herself, she's only played 3 tournaments and lost 2 matches . waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Dava
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:54 AM
Its going to make more then one loss to stop it, but Serena loseing a tour and V slipping to No.3 for a while is a start.

kell
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:02 AM
It'd be real nice if the domination was broken and some other girls had a shot, but it's unlikely to happen until Serena and Venus EACH loose about four more matches when playing against other people.

One loss for Serena does not signal the end of an era.

Julian
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:03 AM
As far as I know the Williamses are still dominating. Venus's loss was dealt with Meghann having a match of her life, and Serena today was NOWHERE near her usual calibre of play...But I agree it is a start..

nikita771
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:04 AM
Although they have both lost this year, I think that it only thing it proves is that they are human and are able to be beaten. Now when they are consistently being beaten, then it will be safe to say that they are no longer dominating. I say let's wait a little while longer before making such a statement. Right now, the theory is totally full of holes.

Mad-About-Venus
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:04 AM
Both sisters did pretty well on clay last year. Serena losing a final doesn't mean she is gone. Actually she is already doing better than last year, she lost in the Quarters here a year ago. They might not dominate on clay, but they will do very well.

And of course, after clay season comes "The Williams" seasons, grass and hard court.

End of Serena? yeah right

lizchris
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:04 AM
I think it is too early to say that the Williams domination is over. Sure, Serena lost today and it may not be the last time she loses this year and Venus lost at the Nasdaq-100. But their three losses together are still less than Justine's (4, I think), Kim's (4), Lindsay's (6), Jennifer's (4, I think) and rest of the top ten. Serena is still the holder of all 4 Grans Slams titles as well as two Tier I titles and she has a winning record against every player in the current top ten. Venus is still a force to be reckoned with on the tour, even if she doens't have any recent Grand Slam titles or Tier I titles plus she has a winning record against every person in the current top ten except her sister. It is a fact Kim will be number two for the next three weeks, but she will be a noncompeting number two and will go back to number three before the German Open where she will have to actually compete to get to number two.

Another fact; until the other players can beat the sisters on a consistent basis, you will see them in Grand Slam finals and in finals of other tournaments, because as most of you know, the sisters rarely lose to the same person two times in a row (ask Kim Clijsters).

Hulet
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:04 AM
In 2002, at about the same time (just before Amelia Island), this was the combined williams' sisters record:
Matches Won/lost:
Serena - 14/2
venus - 17/3
=> a combined 86% winning ratio

Titles won:
Serena - Scottsdale, Miami
Venus - Paris, Antwerp

Within this time period, they had losses to Meghann, Patty s., monica and sadrine.

In 2003, within the same time period,

Matches Won/lost:
Serena - 21/1
venus - 12/2
=> a combined 91% winning ratio

Titles won:
Serena - AO, Miami, Paris
Venus - Antwerp
Within this time period the only people who beat the sisters were only Meghann and Justine.

Yes, that shows compared to the last year at similar time, their domination was really broken.

kell
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:09 AM
I think it is too early to say that the Williams domination is over. Sure, Serena lost today and it may not be the last time she loses this year and Venus lost at the Nasdaq-100. But their three losses together are still less than Justine's (4, I think), Kim's (4), Lindsay's (6), Jennifer's (4, I think) and rest of the top ten. Serena is still the holder of all 4 Grans Slams titles as well as two Tier I titles and she has a winning record against every player in the current top ten. Venus is still a force to be reckoned with on the tour, even if she doens't have any recent Grand Slam titles or Tier I titles plus she has a winning record against every person in the current top ten except her sister. It is a fact Kim will be number two for the next three weeks, but she will be a noncompeting number two and will go back to number three before the German Open where she will have to actually compete to get to number two.

Another fact; until the other players can beat the sisters on a consistent basis, you will see them in Grand Slam finals and in finals of other tournaments, because as most of you know, the sisters rarely lose to the same person two times in a row (ask Kim Clijsters).

lol! I agree with you, but poor Kim! :) Serena isn't the only person she has a bad record against...she's always gong to judged for not being able to follow up on her win over Serena last year.

CC
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:45 AM
The WTA competition is getting tougher and tougher :D

On The paper The Williams sisters are still the best player in the world, but Their dominant has broke (let say this year 2003)

VENUS lost to Shaughnessy
SERENA lost to Henin-Hardenne

Especially UNBEATABLE "Serena" has come to an end!

I think you guys are getting ahead of yourselves.

To add to what eta psi said, in 2002 Serena won 56 matches and lost 5. So far this year she has lost one match out of 22. Last year Venus was 69 and 9 (four of which were to her sister). This year she is 12 and two. I think you have to wait for an extended period of time before you can say they are losing grip. It's definitely not "a start." Unless you mean you're hoping it is.;)

Cybelle Darkholme
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:54 AM
In 2002, at about the same time (just before Amelia Island), this was the combined williams' sisters record:
Matches Won/lost:
Serena - 14/2
venus - 17/3
=> a combined 86% winning ratio

Titles won:
Serena - Scottsdale, Miami
Venus - Paris, Antwerp

Within this time period, they had losses to Meghann, Patty s., monica and sadrine.

In 2003, within the same time period,

Matches Won/lost:
Serena - 21/1
venus - 12/2
=> a combined 91% winning ratio

Titles won:
Serena - AO, Miami, Paris
Venus - Antwerp
Within this time period the only people who beat the sisters were only Meghann and Justine.

Yes, that shows compared to the last year at similar time, their domination was really broken.

Too True!

People everyone loses no one is perfect but serena is still THE BEST WTA TOUR PLAYER. Justine had a great run and serena played awful those are the breaks. However I would still favor serena over anyone any time. Yeah yeah justine clay specialist blah blah blah what happens when the clay season is over? And what happens when roland garros comes around? She didn't do so hot last year did she?

I swear some of you act like the sisters ARE unbeatable and you aren't even fans of theirs! its too funny. Its okay though because the more hysterical and hyped you get when the sisters lose just reveals how much you respect their games and fear their dominance because otherwise you wouldn't be so vocal; it wouldn't matter so much if you thought your favorite was the better player to begin with. :kiss:

england_rules
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:40 AM
Serena's definitely still dominating! Venus hasn't been really "dominating"! I think if Venus doesn't hurry up and comeback then it will be hard for her to consistently be #2 or for that matter, #1. I mean, one loss to Shaughnessy doesn't prove anything! Also, it's not really a "Williams domination" as such, but a "Serena domination". I mean yeah, Venus is still very hard to beat, but domination means winning pretty much everything and it's been Serena's job to win everything for the past year or so!

(I don't know if that made any sense or not! :o )

aussiefan83
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:42 AM
for anyone saying that the williamses domination is over, you might be dissapointed in the near future. i get the feeling that serena losing a match and venus' loss to meghan and the number 2 ranking, might just be the wake up call they needed to go on to bigger and better things.

well done to justine though. she deserves more respect than many fans give her.

JenCpLvr
Apr 14th, 2003, 03:05 AM
Guys.. Face it!!!
Yeah, Serena has dominated the tour for last year and half, but today proved that she is definately beatable..

I watched the match live and also watched both of them warm up this morning.. Serena is continuing to make a lot of UE, especially into the net..Granted, she might not have played up to par.. but she certainly wasn't that far off.. She was outplayed today, simple as that.. Justine has a much more craftier game and with great potential to defeat Serena because Serena like power and pace... Cuz that's all she plays with herself.

Justine winning a match like this will give others confidence as well... I wouldn't expect Serena's losing to end here.

WtaTour4Ever
Apr 14th, 2003, 03:10 AM
She was beatable last year too :-) Just ask Justine, Kim, Chanda and a few other players. If Serena starts loosing in a lot of tourny's then we can discuss domination or lack thereof.

starr
Apr 14th, 2003, 03:15 AM
Don't chastise Serena for hitting into the net. That's my favorite shot. I like it just about as much as I liked Connors forehand approach going into the net.

GoGoMaggie
Apr 14th, 2003, 03:22 AM
No.. their or more correctly Serena's domination is far from coming to an end. She's just lost one match and proven to be beatable. Plus she has to be beaten in a bigger event which is of course a GS. She hasn't lost at a GS for more than one year and a half. Until she loses a match in a GS, I wouldn't consider her reign over or even fading.
I don't how badly she played against Justine but I'm sure this loss will only make her stronger and hungrier. Had she gone undefeated into the French Open, I might have bet against her, but now she's lost a match, I reckon her chance for the French title is looking much better.

Zenith
Apr 14th, 2003, 06:24 AM
Some people here seem to be very desperate :rolleyes:
The Williams domination is far from over.

Midnite Surfer
Apr 14th, 2003, 06:35 AM
Hello...I can't believe this is the type of rhetoric I'm reading after ONE match. Talk about premature ejaculation. Serena is 21-1 and has all four Grand Slam titles in her trophy case. What's your favorite's record?

Yeah, the domination is over. If one is referring to rational thought then yes I agree then the domination is certainly over.

irma
Apr 14th, 2003, 06:47 AM
why do people act like serena didn't lose in 10 years?

Buitenzorg
Apr 14th, 2003, 06:55 AM
why do people act like serena didn't lose in 10 years?

Well ;)

I think that is a consecuency for being #1 :D don't you reckon?

Once their had beaten, everyone talk about it! once their Winning A Major event (GS) everyone also talk about it!

irma
Apr 14th, 2003, 07:07 AM
but she didn't lose in a slam, she lost in a tier 1. it's not only the fact that she lost. people act already the whole year like the streak she was on (not the 4 slams streak but the 3 tournaments she won this year) is the most special and never seen on the wta tour before.

irma
Apr 14th, 2003, 07:07 AM
and I know they did the same with martina in 97 (even when her streak was double so long at that point)

1jackson2001
Apr 14th, 2003, 07:10 AM
The Williams sisters are still dominating..especially Serena. Being dominant does not mean never losing a match or being unbeatable forever. You can lose one, two, or even a few more and still be dominanting the tour.

Buitenzorg
Apr 14th, 2003, 07:55 AM
The Williams sisters are still dominating..especially Serena. Being dominant does not mean never losing a match or being unbeatable forever. You can lose one, two, or even a few more and still be dominanting the tour.

;)

SM
Apr 14th, 2003, 08:08 AM
Serena lost ONE match. Whats the point to this thread? The thing about being dominant (serena epitomizes it) is that you peak at the right time ie the majors.........the Williams sisters sure have done that making the final of every slam theyve contested since the French!

Even the dominant lose matches. No players in the past in their heydeys were unbeatable, but Serena and Venus have raised the bar and i think Serena is close to unbeatable! I think this loss was just a mental one mainly....

SerialKiller#69
Apr 14th, 2003, 12:24 PM
unless none of the spectacular williamses win the next 3 GS finals, they still are dominant. and i believe it will be a good few years before that dominance starts to wane.

goodolvs
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:31 PM
it's too early to say this,i think!williams are still so strong that anyone eles can say i know i can beat them! :o

SJW
Apr 14th, 2003, 03:02 PM
:rolleyes: at this thread

i would expect a bit more imagination from someone who supports Anqelique Widfata :rolleyes:

sartrista7
Apr 14th, 2003, 03:05 PM
The WTA competition is getting tougher and tougher :D

On The paper The Williams sisters are still the best player in the world, but Their dominant has broke (let say this year 2003)

VENUS lost to Shaughnessy
SERENA lost to Henin-Hardenne

Especially UNBEATABLE "Serena" has come to an end!

Wow... I thought I'd seen utter stupidity but once again WTAWorld posters demonstrate just how bad it can get :rolleyes: If your criteria for domination is zero losses... well, no one's ever dominated then, I guess.

RAA
Apr 14th, 2003, 04:21 PM
have you checked the rankings lately?? have you seen how far ahead Serena is? (yes yes, I know she has a lot to defend). Have you seen where Venus is? yes, she has "slipped" to #3, but I still think #1 and #3 in the rankings is far from a lessening of their domination.

again, I say, congrats to Justine for a well played match vs. Serena. Clay is Justine best surface, and she makes the most of it vs. Serena. good for her. but I wouldn't bet the house that Justine is gonna start dominating Serena (the same way I wouldn't bet on Shaughnessy "dominating" venus..)

I mean, did you see Serena DOMINATE lindsay on saturday??? that was domination, at least the first set and a half. don't get me wrong, I like lindsay a lot, but seeing Serena WHACK those winners of Lindsay's first serves was truly an amazing performance...

Smart
Apr 14th, 2003, 04:23 PM
Thanks to Justine