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Car Key Boi
Apr 11th, 2003, 09:32 PM
Le Figaro wrote "In only three weeks, the American strategy was proven to have worked. Yesterday, a dictator was ousted, and we can no longer question the fact that George Bush was right"

Several other French newspapers, Le Parisian for one, are hinting that Chirac might be given the shitcan at the next election due to his anti-war stance

- Car Key Boi

Car Key Boi
Apr 11th, 2003, 10:06 PM
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/10/world/main548740.shtml

Thousands of miles from the jubilant Iraqis dancing in the streets of Baghdad, the French have had what appears to be a change of heart.

After months of fighting tooth-and-nail against the U.S.-led war, the mood in France is shifting to one of cautious support. Not necessarily support for the U.S. government or the war but support for the fall of Saddam Hussein and subtle applause for the army that felled him.

French leaders Thursday said they "rejoiced"' in the collapse of Saddam's regime, while newspapers praised the United States for its quick work in Baghdad.

Absent was the criticism that prevailed during France's bitter arguments with the United States and Britain ahead of the war.

"The Americans have won the war in only three weeks," "Le Figaro" newspaper wrote in an editorial. "It is a victory for George Bush."

Editorials retained a healthy dose of skepticism, questioning the whereabouts of Saddam's alleged weapons of mass destruction and reminding readers that the great challenge of postwar reconstruction remained ahead.

But political analysts, noting the subtle shift in the media's tone, said people now wondered whether France was right to oppose the war so staunchly.

"The French are discovering the truth that the coalition was efficient," said Francois Gere, director of the Paris-based Diplomatic and Defense Institute.

Before the fighting, newspapers and politicians said "the United States and Britain would be considered as invaders and the people of Iraq would oppose them," he said.

"Instead we see pictures of Iraqi people celebrating not only the arrival of British and U.S. forces but celebrating the end of a regime."

His words were echoed by Philippe Moreau Defarges of the French Institute of International Relations.

"We're seeing a subtle shift," Defarges said. "We are starting to hear a more dissonant voice in France. The U.S. victory has made the debate more complex."

In the war's first two weeks, French media went heavy with coverage of Iraqi civilian casualties and scenes of suffering. The weekly news magazine "Le Point" featured an American soldier on its cover under the headline, "The Tragedy." "Le Figaro" magazine showed an American soldier trudging through the mud under the question: "Iraq: A New Vietnam?"

On Thursday, media criticism was aimed squarely at the fallen Iraqi leader. Several newspapers and TV news magazines ran lengthy features on the cruelty of Saddam's regime. "Le Monde" newspaper ran a two-page spread titled: "The Dictator Who Terrorized Iraq."

At Paris bus-stops and cafes, people enthusiastically welcomed Saddam's ouster, but were mixed about the U.S. role.

"For a long time, the Iraqi people needed to revolt against Saddam Hussein, but couldn't do it alone,'' said Jacques Bidot, waiting for a bus near the Champs-Elysees. He dismissed the TV images of exuberant Iraqis as "a lot of propaganda."

France's government tempered its delight over Saddam's end with renewed calls for the United Nations to have a "central role" in postwar Iraq.

"France, like all democracies, rejoices," said President Jacques Chirac's office in a statement.

"A somber page is turning," Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin added.

France's demands that the U.N. be at the center of rebuilding Iraq appear at odds with statements from the United States suggesting that the world body's role will be limited to supervising humanitarian aid, endorsing a post-conflict administration and making suggestions about the makeup of Iraq's interim authority.

While the French government stopped short of saying so, leading politicians insisted Thursday that France was right to have opposed the war.

"Two weeks ago, everyone was taking their hats off to France," said Alain Juppe, a former prime minister. "Today they're starting to say we were wrong." He added: "We have nothing to regret."

*JR*
Apr 11th, 2003, 10:58 PM
Well, Boi, as an "honourary Eurotard", I hereby present some more Facts That Suck. Chirac did so poorly in the 1st round last year largely because he's still considered corrupt from his days as Mayor of Paris. (His landslide 82% in the runoff was strictly anti-Le Pen, like now convicted Edwin Edwards getting 61% vs. David Duke for Guv of Louisiana in '91. Hmmm, as a Cajun, Edwards is ethnically French, too, of course...). Now his Socialist opposition isn't far left @ all, but would split like a boiled peanut if they ran a pro-war campaign. AND, Chirac need not call a parliamentary election for another 4 years, forever in politics. AND, he's 1 year into his 2nd and final (7 year) term as Pres. In other words, YankeeBoi, France is NOT a parliamentary system like GBR, AUS, or CAN, but a split form like ours, where the Pres. and the National Assembly may be controlled by different parties. OK, details, but Gaullist leader Chirac leads... the... RIGHT! Of course you're CorporateBoi friends on the Champ d'Elysse could have told you all this. AND that his predecessor, the late Francoise Mitterand, served out his 2nd term even after his Nazi collaborator past in WW2 was revealed... Vive Amelie, Emilie, Nathalie, "Marie", Stephanie, Virginie, Tatiana, Marion...

Barrie_Dude
Apr 12th, 2003, 05:29 PM
Yes, I will not be sad to see that cheese eating frog get canned! :devil:

*JR*
Apr 12th, 2003, 09:13 PM
I guess as Da Boi is embarassed by his ignorance of French politics, it was preferrable to start a new thread instead of answer the FTS posted in this one. BTW, Boi, Chirac acted exactly as his icon, Charles de Gaulle would have. (In fact, de Gaulle withdrew France from NATO's joint military command in 1966 @ the height of the Cold War). AND, whatever the present coalition name is, Chirac's (Gaullist) party has long been called the RPR (initials for the French translation of Rally for the Republic). Perhaps, as you loathe them so much, you should "know your enemy"?

Car Key Boi
Apr 14th, 2003, 01:04 AM
Well, Boi, as an "honourary Eurotard", I hereby present some more Facts That Suck. Chirac did so poorly in the 1st round last year largely because he's still considered corrupt from his days as Mayor of Paris. (His landslide 82% in the runoff was strictly anti-Le Pen, like now convicted Edwin Edwards getting 61% vs. David Duke for Guv of Louisiana in '91. Hmmm, as a Cajun, Edwards is ethnically French, too, of course...). Now his Socialist opposition isn't far left @ all, but would split like a boiled peanut if they ran a pro-war campaign. AND, Chirac need not call a parliamentary election for another 4 years, forever in politics. AND, he's 1 year into his 2nd and final (7 year) term as Pres. In other words, YankeeBoi, France is NOT a parliamentary system like GBR, AUS, or CAN, but a split form like ours, where the Pres. and the National Assembly may be controlled by different parties. OK, details, but Gaullist leader Chirac leads... the... RIGHT! Of course you're CorporateBoi friends on the Champ d'Elysse could have told you all this. AND that his predecessor, the late Francoise Mitterand, served out his 2nd term even after his Nazi collaborator past in WW2 was revealed... Vive Amelie, Emilie, Nathalie, "Marie", Stephanie, Virginie, Tatiana, Marion...

That one about Chirac might have some compilations at 130 galaxies from the solar system, and they might've came over here identifying some treasons committed against them by Chirac and friends ruling twelve galaxies guiltied of not paying myself as a movie star from the richest family during Chirac's administration. So I might have a chance to have an impeachment, 2003, in February behind closed doors in Paris.. And also, July the 26th of this year I was on the San Francisco Bay Guardian, and a photograph of my protest of an Ultratronic society. And on the San Francisco Chronicle, October 16th last year, there was a photograph of myself and my protest, on behalf of a Technitronic society. And on the SF Business Times, the last week of last year, my protest photograph of a Zegnatronic society, against Chirac and twelve galaxies

*JR*
Apr 14th, 2003, 03:06 AM
IC, Boi. I didn't expect you (or even most ppl from other Euro countries except the mainly French speaking parts of BEL and SUI) to know ALL of these details. But I do expect one who purports to have them "pegged" as well as you do to know enough about French politics to realize that 1) Chirac leads the right, not the left; and that 2) he won't ever face the voters again, and his party won't soon (unless he so chose). UC nearly all the non-Americans who post on these war threads know that Bush is from the more rightward leaning party here. So WHO THE FUCK ARE WE 2B so blithely oblivious to the politics of MAJOR world nations like FRA, GER, GBR, RUS, JPN, etc.? :confused:

Barrie_Dude
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:03 PM
IC, Boi. I didn't expect you (or even most ppl from other Euro countries except the mainly French speaking parts of BEL and SUI) to know ALL of these details. But I do expect one who purports to have them "pegged" as well as you do to know enough about French politics to realize that 1) Chirac leads the right, not the left; and that 2) he won't ever face the voters again, and his party won't soon (unless he so chose). UC nearly all the non-Americans who post on these war threads know that Bush is from the more rightward leaning party here. So WHO THE FUCK ARE WE 2B so blithely oblivious to the politics of MAJOR world nations like FRA, GER, GBR, RUS, JPN, etc.? :confused:
Lets face it though! The French really don't count, do they? :rolleyes:

Barrie_Dude
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:20 PM
ha! lol...well, only if it's catwalk season.... :D
But even then, New York and Milan are swiftly becoming more relevant than Paris!

Barrie_Dude
Apr 14th, 2003, 02:28 PM
ahhh, the fate of the french...meaningless on the world stage and now even their fashion sun is being eclipsed by foreigners...one has to wonder. what next? :confused:


Froglegs! :lick: