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DoctorG
Jan 16th, 2002, 12:30 AM
A: Capriati
K: Hingis
Q: Clijsters
J: Seles
10: Mauresmo, V.Williams
9: Henin
8: Grande, Maleeva, Coetzer
7: Dementieva, Weingartner
6: Daniilidou, Hantuchova, Tanasugarn, Schiavone
5: Dechy, Shaughnessy, Farina-Elia, Serna, Raymond, Sugiyama, Schett, Tulyaganova
4: Tu, Schwartz, Majoli, Martinez, Lamade
3: Panova, Kremer, Bedanova
2: Kruger, Molik, Stevenson, Bovina, Montolio, Likhovtseva, McQuillan, Nola, Sanchez-Vicario, Suarez, Kournikova, Krasnoroutskaya, Leon-Garcia, Torrens-Valero, Nagyova, Ruano-Pascual, Schnyder, Kapros, Testud, Mikaelian, Pierce
-: Davenport, Dokic, Petrova, Rubin, S.Williams, Zuluaga

DoctorG
Jan 16th, 2002, 12:32 AM
I thought it would have been a good idea to have a brief reminder of how a score is assigned to the tennis player according to her tournament performance: round by round I will explain in detail what I do to determine the card values. :)

59 different players are involved in the Tennis Poker first leg.

6 of them are not playing the Australian Open, so they don’t get any score:

<font color=tomato><b>-: Davenport, Dokic, Petrova, Rubin, S.Williams, Zuluaga</b></font>

21 players have already lost in the 1st round. This is quite simple: <b><font color=lime>first round losers always score a 2</font></b>:

<font color=tomato><b>2: Kruger, Molik, Stevenson, Bovina, Montolio, Likhovtseva, McQuillan, Nola, Sanchez-Vicario, Suarez, Kournikova, Krasnoroutskaya, Leon-Garcia, Torrens-Valero, Nagyova, Ruano-Pascual, Schnyder, Kapros, Testud, Mikaelian, Pierce. </b></font>

32 players reached the 2nd round. In Grand Slam events, a second round is worth a value of 3 or 4, according to the position in the draw. We will see what happens in Melbourne in the next two days. :)

DoctorG
Jan 17th, 2002, 09:00 PM
Players who lose in the second round get a value of 3 or 4 according to their draw position.

General rule: considering two tennis players who were beaten in the same round, <b><font color=lime>the player who lost in the draw section of a higher seed gets a higher value.</font></b> It’s the position which matters; not the seed herself, who may have already lost or may be just the player we’re giving the value.

In GS events (and all the events with draws of 128):
4 is the value which is given for the seeds #1 - #16 draw sections.
3 is the value which is given for the seeds #17 - #32 draw sections.

DoctorG
Jan 17th, 2002, 09:02 PM
Let’s see what happened at the Australian Open. :)

2nd round losers:
Meilen Tu, Tatiana Panova, Barbara Schwartz, Iva Majoli, Conchita Martinez, Anne Kremer, Daja Bedanova and Bianka Lamade.

Tu was beaten by Jennifer Capriati, the first seed => 4: Tu

Panova was the 29th seed => 3: Panova

Schwartz lost to #4 seed Kim Clijsters => 4: Schwartz

Majoli beat Sanchez-Vicario in the first round and Arantxa was the 14th seed => 4: Majoli

Conchita beat in the frst round Lina K, who replaced Serena Williams, seeded #6 => 4: Martinez

Kremer herself was the 28th seed => 3: Kremer

Bedanova herself was the 21st seed => 3: Bedanova

Lamade lost to Dechy, who beat Sandrine Testud, the 9th seed => 4: Lamade

Australian Open values:
<b><font color=tomato>
4: Tu, Schwartz, Majoli, Martinez, Lamade
3: Panova, Kremer, Bedanova
</font></b>
In the third round we’re left with 24 of your players: everyone in the last 32 but Watson, Husarova, Pratt, Carlsson, Sucha, Adr Serra-Zanetti, Rittner and Medina-Garrigues. A value of 5 is guaranteed, but they may score a 6 if they are in the draw section of a high seed. We’ll see everything in detail in two days time. :)

DoctorG
Jan 17th, 2002, 09:06 PM
With smaller tournaments, the basic principle remains the same. :)

Draws of 64:
4 is the value which is given for the seeds #1 - #8 draw sections.
3 is the value which is given for the seeds #9 - #16 draw sections.

Draws of 32:
6 is the value which is given for the seeds #1 - #2 draw sections.
5 is the value which is given for the seeds #3 - #4 draw sections.
4 is the value which is given for the seeds #5 - #6 draw sections.
3 is the value which is given for the seeds #7 - #8 draw sections.

Example. :)

Sydney main draw included 32 tennis players (with 4 first round byes).

Seeds:
1 - Capriati
2 - Hingis
3 - Clijsters
4 - Serena Williams
5 - Henin
6 - Mauresmo
7 - Testud
8 - Shaughnessy

2nd round losers:
Capriati, the first seed herself => 6
Hantuchova lost to Shaughnessy (8) => 3
Kournikova lost Serena Williams (4) => 5
Coetzer lost to Mauresmo (6) => 4
Martinez lost to Henin (5) => 4
Farina-Elia lost to Clijsters (3) => 5
Nagyova lost to Testud (7) => 3
Raymond lost to Hingis (2) => 6
<b>
6: Capriati, Raymond
5: Farina-Elia, Kournikova
4: Martinez, Coetzer
3: Nagyova, Hantuchova

DoctorG
Jan 20th, 2002, 12:30 AM
Exactly a half of those 24 players have lost in the 3rd round and score a value of:

6, if they are in the draw sections of seeds #1 - #8
5, if they are in the draw sections of seeds #9 - #16

3rd round losers:
Daniilidou, Tulyaganova, Shaughnessy, Tanasugarn, Sugiyama, Serna, Farina-Elia, Schett, Schiavone, Dechy, Raymond, Hantuchova.

Let’s see the results from another perspective, starting from the seeds and not from the players. :)

DoctorG
Jan 20th, 2002, 12:32 AM
<b>Scoring a 6:</b>

1 - Jennifer Capriati, beat <b>Daniilidou</b> in the 3rd round
2 - Venus Williams, beat <b>Hantuchova</b> in the 3rd round
3 - Martina Hingis, beat Rittner in the 3rd round
4 - Kim Clijsters, beat Watson in the 3rd round
5 - Serena Williams, replaced by Lina K, who was beaten by Conchita Martinez, who was defeated by Carlsson-Svensson in the 3rd round
6 - Justine Henin, beat Pratt in the third round
7 - Amelie Mauresmo, beat <b>Tanasugarn</b> in the 3rd round
8 - Monica Seles, beat <b>Schiavone</b> in the 3rd round.

Considering that Rittner, Watson, Carlsson-Svensson and Pratt were not chosen, the result is:

<b><font color=tomato>6: Daniilidou, Hantuchova, Tanasugarn, Schiavone</font></b>

DoctorG
Jan 20th, 2002, 12:35 AM
<b>Scoring a 5:</b>

9 - Sandrine Testud, defeated by <b>Dechy</b> in the first round
10 - Meghann <b>Shaughnessy</b> herself, beaten by Weingartner in the third round
11 - Silvia <b>Farina-Elia</b> herself, beaten by Adriana Serra-Zanetti
12 - Elena Dementieva, defeated <b>Serna</b> in the 3rd round
13 - Maggie Maleeva, beat <b>Raymond</b> in the 3rd round
14 - Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario, out in the 1st round against Majoli, who was beaten in the following round by Husarova, winner over <b>Sugiyama</b> in round 3
15 - Amanda Coetzer, beat <b>Schett</b> in the 3rd round
16 - Iroda <b>Tulyaganova</b> herself, out in the third round against Rita Grande

<b><font color=tomato>5: Dechy, Shaughnessy, Farina-Elia, Serna, Raymond, Sugiyama, Schett, Tulyaganova</font></b>

arn
Jan 20th, 2002, 03:38 PM
thanX for all the efforts you make :)

DoctorG
Jan 20th, 2002, 04:53 PM
Arn,
thank you for your interest and support! :)

DoctorG
Jan 21st, 2002, 01:51 PM
You included in your combinations 12 out of the last 16 players. Husarova, Sucha, Adr Serra-Zanetti and Medina-Garrigues were the other four. :)

In a Grand Slam event a 4th round makes players score:

8, if they are in the draw sections of seeds #1 - #4
7, if they are in the draw sections of seeds #5 - #8

DoctorG
Jan 21st, 2002, 01:53 PM
<b><font color=dodgerblue>Scoring a 8:</font></b>
<b>Rita Grande</b> was defeated by the 1st seed Jennifer Capriati
<b>Maggie Maleeva</b> lost to the 2nd seed Venus Williams
<b>Amanda Coetzer</b> has been beaten by the 3rd seed Martina Hingis
Husarova collected only 2 games against the 4th seed Kim Clijsters

<b><font color=tomato>8: Grande, Maleeva, Coetzer</font></b>

DoctorG
Jan 21st, 2002, 01:57 PM
<b><font color=dodgerblue>Scoring a 7:</font></b>
Sucha beat Carlsson-Svensson who beat Conchita Martinez who beat Lina Krasnoroutskaya who replaced the 5th seed Serena Williams. :D
<b>Elena Dementieva </b>lost to the 6th seed Justine Henin
<b>Marlene Weingartner </b>beaten by the 7th seed Amelie Mauresmo
Medina-Garrigues was forced to retire against the 8th seed Monica Seles.

<b><font color=tomato>7: Dementieva, Weingartner</font></b>

DoctorG
Jan 21st, 2002, 02:54 PM
In Grand Slam events, the players who lose in the quarterfinals are given a value of:
10, if they are in the draw quarters of seeds #1 - #2
9, if they are in the draw quarters of seeds #3 - #4

<b><font color=lime>The scores for the four semifinalists are always the same</font></b>, no matter what the tournament tier or the draw size is:
J: Bottom half Semifinalist
Q: Top half Semifinalist
K: Runner-up
A: Winner

So, the most important values should be quite easy to spot. :)

DoctorG
Jan 21st, 2002, 02:56 PM
You picked all the 8 Australian Open quarterfinalists except Adriana Serra-Zanetti. :)

<b><font color=dodgerblue>Martina Hingis, Venus Williams</font></b> had already won a title. No matter what their Australian Open final outcome is, they will score an Ace at the end of the first leg.

This leaves us with 5 players.

<b><font color=dodgerblue>Jennifer Capriati, Amelie Mauresmo</font></b>
In Sydney, 7 for Amelie (quarterfinalist) and 6 for Jennifer (second round loser). They’re facing each other in the #1 seed draw quarter, and the one who lose will score a 10. If the winner of this clash loses in the semis, she will score a Q.

<b><font color=dodgerblue>Kim Clijsters</font></b>
A J for her semifinal in Sydney, a Q for a possible semifinal at the Australian Open.

<b><font color=dodgerblue>Justine Henin</font></b>
Justine was the Gold Coast runner-up, so she has already scored a K and she can better her value only winning the tournament.

<b><font color=dodgerblue>Monica Seles</font></b>
No warm up events for Monica, the Australian Open value will be her first score. A loss in the quarters against the #2 seed Venus Williams would be worth a 10. If she’s defeated in the semis she will get a J.

per4ever
Jan 22nd, 2002, 10:18 PM
I read this thread each time you post DoctorG..and I still don't understand the meaning of this game :rolleyes:

But you are doing a hell of a job :D

DoctorG
Jan 22nd, 2002, 10:30 PM
Per4ever,
thank you for your interest. If you have a particular question, I'll be glad to answer. :)
Anyway, be sure many posters are successful in this game without having the slightest idea of what they are doing. :D

DoctorG
Jan 23rd, 2002, 03:34 PM
<b><font color=dodgerblue>Scoring a 10:</font></b>
<b>Amelie Mauresmo</b>, beaten by Jennifer Capriati, seed #1.
<b>Venus Williams</b>, seed #2.

<b><font color=tomato>10: Mauresmo, V.Williams</font></b>

<b><font color=dodgerblue>Scoring a 9:</font></b>
Serra-Zanetti, defeated by Martina Hingis, seed #3
<b>Justine Henin</b>, beaten by Kim Clisters, seed #4

<b><font color=tomato>9: Henin</font></b>

Venus and Justine had already scored better results anyway. :)

DoctorG
Jan 24th, 2002, 08:14 PM
<b><font color=dodgerblue>Scoring a Q:</font>
Kim Clijsters</b>, semifinalist in the top half, with seed #1 Jennifer Capriati.

<b><font color=dodgerblue>Scoring a J:</font>
Monica Seles</b>, semifinalist in the bottom half, with seed #2 Venus Williams

<b><font color=tomato>Q: Clijsters
J: Seles</font></b>

Adrian
Jan 26th, 2002, 04:08 AM
mmm..I think I'm doing okay :confused:


Thanks Doc :D

DoctorG
Jan 26th, 2002, 03:29 PM
Much better than your exhibition performance, but at this stage not good enough to qualify for the main draw. Still two weeks to better your result though. :)

DoctorG
Jan 26th, 2002, 03:33 PM
<b><font color=dodgerblue>Scoring an A:</font>
Jennifer Capriati</b>, the winner.

<b><font color=dodgerblue>Scoring a K:</font>
Martina Hingis</b>, the runner-up.

<b><font color=tomato>A: Capriati
K: Hingis</font></b>

Adrian
Jan 26th, 2002, 03:43 PM
I knew that :rolleyes:

Tokyo is it then :bounce: :bounce: .........a slight :kiss: for the judge...you never know ;)

Adrian
Jan 26th, 2002, 03:49 PM
Okay...now this was my team...

Henin / Hingis / Tulyaganova / S.Williams / Zuluaga


I had molik for a spare?


Take Henin out, replace her with Dokic, remove Zualaga and replace her with Molik, remove Serena and replace her with Arantxa..

Can I do that?

DoctorG
Jan 27th, 2002, 05:26 PM
Adrian,
you had Molik and Sugiyama as spare cards; Ai has a better value at this moment and so it will be her to replace the scoreless Zuluaga in your combination. :)

Your new team is:
Dokic / Hingis / Molik / Sanchez-Vicario / Tulyaganova

I've updated your choices in the other thread. Of course these replacements will take effect as soon as the second leg starts. :)

Thank you, good luck! :wavey:

Adrian
Jan 27th, 2002, 10:12 PM
Thats all good :D

Adrian
Jan 29th, 2002, 07:23 AM
mmm..sorry about this, but something has just crystalised..(it happens occassionally)...Forget those changes for now, will review it at the end of this leg..sorry for mucking you around :(

DoctorG
Jan 29th, 2002, 03:09 PM
No problem, I've restored your old team. You can make all the changes you would like to before February 10th. :)