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tennisIlove09
Apr 2nd, 2003, 08:21 AM
What is the most dominating match you've EVER seen by a player.

I think the most part of a match was the 2000 Aussie Final. Davenport goes up 61 51 against Hingis, and it's just unbelievable tennis. Hingis gets back into it for a 61 75 loss.

For complete match, I'd have to go with Serena def. Mauresmo 62 61 Wimbledon semi.

bandabou
Apr 2nd, 2003, 01:35 PM
For pure domination I would have to go with Serena-Mauresmo. That's one of the best matches Serena has ever played. That to me was as close to her full potential(70 %) we have ever seen her. No wonder that Amelie was so sad afterwards about the state of women tennis!!

nash
Apr 2nd, 2003, 02:30 PM
Steffi Graf def. Natasha Zvereva - 1988 French Open Final - 6-0, 6-0

Dava
Apr 2nd, 2003, 02:37 PM
That ive ever seen??? Mmm, I think J.Cap against god knows who in the 2002 US Open 6-0 6-0.

Lee-Waters' Boy
Apr 2nd, 2003, 02:51 PM
Stephanie Foretz d. Nancy Loeffler-Caro 6-0, 6-0. In fact...anyone vs. Nancy

Graf over Zvereva was pretty dominant as far as the score goes but they at least had a few good points and Zvereva had a few game points lol

spencercarlos
Apr 2nd, 2003, 03:01 PM
Graf def Seles Wimbledon final 1992 6-2 6-1.
Graf served so big that day, the match went by in a flash, Monica never got into the match.
Unexpected also given to the fact Seles had won most slams by that time back to back and she had beaten Martina in the semis.

Glenn
Apr 2nd, 2003, 03:07 PM
Clijsters every time she plays Rubin.
Henin-Hardenne def. Kournikova 6-0 6-1.

eshell
Apr 2nd, 2003, 03:08 PM
I vote for Graf d. Zvereva 6-0, 6-0 at the French Open. I watched that match in awe.

irma
Apr 2nd, 2003, 03:09 PM
domination is for me when the winners hit winner from all corners and not because the opponent made all the unforced errors

serena has done that a few times since at her best she has the best serve and return in the game!

spencercarlos
Apr 2nd, 2003, 03:11 PM
YEs and that essentially is the case of Henin/Clijster┤s case, usually Henin gets unpacient and hits tons of errors

MarcusRock
Apr 2nd, 2003, 03:17 PM
There have been plenty of big names drubbing much lesser names so I'll only deal with the big names.

Of the live matches I've seen, I'd have to say Serena over Hingis in the 2001 US Open semis and just last week when Rubin dismantled Mauresmo at the NASDAQ-100. As for TV, Serena over Mauresmo was indeed quite dominating.

Gandalf
Apr 2nd, 2003, 04:41 PM
Pierce bt. Graf, 6-2, 6-2, FO'94. I've never seen anyone play better than Mary that day.

Graf bt. S. Vicario, 6-0, 6-2, AO'94.

SerenaSlam
Apr 2nd, 2003, 04:52 PM
Pierce bt. Graf, 6-2, 6-2, FO'94. I've never seen anyone play better than Mary that day.

Graf bt. S. Vicario, 6-0, 6-2, AO'94.
have to throw those out, along w/ the Graf d. Seles, those matches, 1 player was on, while the other was making SOOOOOO many errors. You can pick 1 player playing so well that day, but dominating means, not letting the other player play their game. I think in these matches, had graf/seles been on in those losses, the matches would've been totally different. But Serena vs. Amelie Wimbledon, this is the most domiating match to date. Low Errors (even thought it was like 24/17 they more so came in clumps at a time) from both players, not a shit load of winners, but serena had about id say 25 forced errors on amelie. Look at stats :) Serena just served beautifully, and i think most of Amelie's errors came in that second set, due to Serena making her go for more on her shots.

Mauresmo (FRA) Williams (USA)

1st Serve % 32 of 61 = 52 % 28 of 38 = 74 %

Aces 1 7

Double Faults 2 1

Unforced Errors 24 17

Winning % on 1st Serve 17 of 32 = 53 % 23 of 28 = 82 %

Winning % on 2nd Serve 12 of 29 = 41 % 7 of 10 = 70 %

Winners (Including Service) 6 15

Receiving Points Won 8 of 38 = 21 % 32 of 61 = 52 %

Break Point Conversions 0 of 4 = 0 % 5 of 14 = 36 %

Net Approaches 5 of 13 = 38 % 9 of 10 = 90 %

Total Points Won 37 62

Fastest Serve 114 MPH 117 MPH

Average 1st Serve Speed 103 MPH 103 MPH

Average 2nd Serve Speed 94 MPH 84 MPH

Gandalf
Apr 2nd, 2003, 05:12 PM
Actually, if you saw the Pierce/Graf match, you would see that there was nothing that Graf or anyone could have done that day. She didn't play that bad, but Mary was unplayable.

Anyway, I think stats can be deceiving: Serena played so well against Mauresmo, but she still has more unforced errors than winners.

geoepee
Apr 2nd, 2003, 05:29 PM
There's a lot of Serena matches that I can add...

One I can remember clearly is the 2001 Indian Wells match against Davenport. 6:1 6:2. Davenport's worst lost ever since '93 against Mary Pierce at the Aus Open.

spencercarlos
Apr 2nd, 2003, 05:32 PM
Sorry to disagree, Yes Serena won 6-2 6-1 but Serena had 15 winners to 17 errors so she had a -2, but sure she forced play a lot more than winners indicate, while Amelie had 6 winners to 24 errors, have Amelie at -18, means that she did not play well, because she was missing numbers don┤t lie. 24 Points are a set of tennis.

Anyway want domination?
Hingis def Seles 6-2 6-0 Auckland, Hingis def Seles Miami 97 6-2 6-1. It seemed like Seles could not find a way to win the points versus Hingis. And Hingis was playing brilliantly in those matches.

Pierce over Graf RG 94 6-2 6-2 is another clear example, Pierce has never played better than that match. So clean match for her, huge hard hitting and few errors, Steffi looked helpless, not even Monica (whose power game we all know what is capable of) was able to beat Graf 6-2 6-2 in her prime.

selesrules
Apr 2nd, 2003, 05:33 PM
Seles def. Navratilova 6-1, 6-1 in Rome 90. :worship:

Hercules
Apr 2nd, 2003, 05:38 PM
puffffff, a lot:

CONCHITA DEF. MILORIEVA (BUL) 6-0 6-0
CONCHITA DEF. CECCHINI (ITA) 6-0 6-0
CONCHITA DEF. FEBER (BEL) 6-0 6-0
CONCHITA DEF. LIKHOVTSEVA (RUS) 6-0 6-0
CONCHITA DEF. MALEEVA (BUL) 6-0 6-0
CONCHITA DEF. HACK (GER) 6-0 6-0
CONCHITA DEF. HACK (GER) 6-0 6-0
CONCHITA DEF. HUSAROVA (SVK) 6-0 6-0
CONCHITA DEF. FARINA ELIA (ITA) 6-0 6-0
CONCHITA DEF. YOSHIDA (JPN) 6-0 6-0
CONCHITA DEF. PETROVA (RUS) 6-0 6-0
CONCHITA DEF. FUSAI (FRA) 6-0 6-0
CONCHITA DEF. DECHAUME-BALLERET (FRA) 6-0 6-0

Jem
Apr 2nd, 2003, 05:41 PM
Most dominating match I ever saw -- last two sets of Monica's 1993 Australian Open victory over Graf 6-3, 6-2 after losing the first set. Steffi was playing her absolute best, and Monica raised the game of tennis to a new level. This was a match Monica won vs. Steffi losing it. I remember thinking that day that Seles was on her way to becoming the best women ever to play the game. If you look at that match, I think you'll see what a more complete player Seles was back then vs. now. Her game was more versatile, her serve was a weapon and her mental toughness was unshakable. That's why I say the Seles today in no way reflects the Seles before the stabbing.

spencercarlos
Apr 2nd, 2003, 05:50 PM
How convenient the last two sets is just a poor decision. You did not see the match it seems. The third set was so exciting 6-2 ended but it was really closer than the score said, i have it taped i know what i┤m talking about. Very high quality match for sure, but it was not a one sided match.

irma
Apr 2nd, 2003, 06:06 PM
"Steffi was playing her absolute best"

maybe her tennis was but that other thing above wasn't
and yeah I give that credit to monica who got in her head (even when till today I don't understand why)

fammmmedspin
Apr 2nd, 2003, 06:17 PM
Steffi - Natasha FO 88 was domination in a record breaking sense - though it was Natasha's first GS final you have to think how much her inability to respond was a result of Steffi's physical domination and the mental domination that followed.
Mary P - Steffi FO94 was simply awsome. The biggest gun in the game was simply blown away by something far more destructive. It would be like Serena being beaten today by Mirjana (or Elena B) 6-2 6-2.

spencercarlos
Apr 2nd, 2003, 06:44 PM
"Steffi was playing her absolute best"

maybe her tennis was but that other thing above wasn't
and yeah I give that credit to monica who got in her head (even when till today I don't understand why)
Steffi was not at her best in that match. She was very unpacient and made tons of mistakes on crucial points.
For sure is good to say your fave player won while the other "was at their best".
I agree Irma

propi
Apr 2nd, 2003, 06:50 PM
I think Conchi won 6-0, 6-0 to Magdalena Maleeva years ago in a final, it was the first time in ages that a top ten beat another so badly

Dawn Marie
Apr 2nd, 2003, 06:56 PM
AS far as what I have seen.. I gotta go with Serena over Hingis in 2002 US Open Semi-final. Hingis could do nothing and Serena did everything.

Also Venus over Seles at the Pilot Pen not sure which year but she blew her off the court.

Serena beating Momo was pure domination as well. 15 winner to 17 ue is damn good. -2 doesn't mean that you did not play well. the point was Serena controlled the match. In fact when Serena serves extremely well look for a blow out!

joaco
Apr 2nd, 2003, 06:58 PM
I will have to agree with you tennisIlove09.. it was the Martina Lindsay match the most dominant one in my life, specially from the 6-1, to 5-1 30-15 part
That match Lindsay was just hitting winners from everywhere Martina could do nothing about it. The only time that Martina could was when Lindsay got a little uptight when she served for the match for a few games, but then magic returned again.

joaco

Serendy Willick
Apr 2nd, 2003, 07:01 PM
Serenas pure domination came at a set, not a match IMO. 2000 Canadian Open first set Serena smoked Hingis like a pack of Virgina Slims. The second set followed and Serena got up 2-0 and then got injured. Very bad luck for Serena.

spencercarlos
Apr 2nd, 2003, 07:01 PM
Steffi - Natasha FO 88 was domination in a record breaking sense - though it was Natasha's first GS final you have to think how much her inability to respond was a result of Steffi's physical domination and the mental domination that followed.
Mary P - Steffi FO94 was simply awsome. The biggest gun in the game was simply blown away by something far more destructive. It would be like Serena being beaten today by Mirjana (or Elena B) 6-2 6-2.
I have to disagree the comparison.
By Roland Garros 1994 Pierce had scored some top 10 wins, was part of the Masters too, even reached semis of it in 1993. Beside 1997-1998 small clay court events and wimbledon 1999 Mirjana has done nothing :(. Pierce was a top ten back then.

fammmmedspin
Apr 2nd, 2003, 11:08 PM
petosp wrote
" have to disagree the comparison.
By Roland Garros 1994 Pierce had scored some top 10 wins, was part of the Masters too, even reached semis of it in 1993. Beside 1997-1998 small clay court events and wimbledon 1999 Mirjana has done nothing . Pierce was a top ten back then"

I see the point. I did think as I wrote my post that Mary had more experience (and a highish ranking) than the players I mentioned. The comparison though was meant to be about how Mary won and the people I currently think of as being physically capable of playing overwhelming tennis like that. I agree Mirjana hasn't matched her talent to her ranking yet and Elena B might not prove to have that much power, but I can't think of anyone else who might have the power combined with adequate mobility to win Mary style.

tennisIlove09
Apr 2nd, 2003, 11:11 PM
Venus and Serena have both dominated Davenport.

Serena's 61 62 win [2000 Indian Wells]
Venus' 62 61 win [2002 Acura]

Both are great displays of power tennis.

Another Serena match: def. Hingis 63 62 US Open semis. The second set Serena had 100% first serves in...and she had about 12 aces in the match :eek: :eek:

VS Fan
Apr 2nd, 2003, 11:31 PM
To me the most dominating performance was Serena vs Venus at NASDAQ-100 2002.

Serena was hitting the lines from everywhere, and Venus could do nothing.

While Serena had really gotten her act together at the Canadian Open in 2001, with her win over Justine, Monica and Jennifer, it didn't reach full maturity until this Landmark win over Big Sis. Venus had beaten her in the US Open 2001.

I think this event triggered Serena's big year in 2002, and her continued success so far in 2003.

iluvtennis
Apr 3rd, 2003, 02:27 AM
Hingis over Venus at the 2001 Australian Open...6-1,6-1!! :worship:

tennisIlove09
Apr 3rd, 2003, 02:29 AM
Hingis over Venus at the 2001 Australian Open...6-1,6-1!! :worship:

With all due respect, have you seen that match? I don't think it was domination, when Venus had about 40 UFE in 14 games ;)

spencercarlos
Apr 3rd, 2003, 02:30 AM
That was actually a bad match :p
Venus could not get the ball in, she had few winners too lol a disaster match for her.

Hingis def Venus 97 Usopen could be considered more dominating by Hingis :). Not to mention the first set of 1999 Usopen Semis vs Venus, which is the best set of tennis i have ever seen from Hingis.

tennisIlove09
Apr 3rd, 2003, 02:34 AM
That was actually a bad match :p
Venus could not get the ball in, she had few winners too lol a disaster match for her.

Hingis def Venus 97 Usopen could be considered more dominating by Hingis :). Not to mention the first set of 1999 Usopen Semis vs Venus, which is the best set of tennis i have ever seen from Hingis.

I couldn't agree more. Although, tragically I haven't seen the 97 US Open finals :sad:

england_rules
Apr 3rd, 2003, 03:52 AM
I've never seen this match but what about Hingis d. Seles 6-0, 6-0 at the 2000 Ericsson Open?
Also, Kournikova d. Stevenson 6-0, 6-1 sometime last year! Just awesome!

moby
Apr 3rd, 2003, 08:28 AM
nope the hingis d. seles match does count
cause seles has quite a bad ankle injury but she still went on with the show because she didnt want to disappoint the fans with a walkover in the finals

i'd go with serena d. martina as US 2001. amazing...
i cant believe martina actually won 5 games...

SpikeyAidanm
Apr 3rd, 2003, 08:30 AM
Wimbledon 1999: Dokic def Hingis 6-2, 6-0

Aus Open 2003: Kim Clijsters def Mandula 6-0, 6-0 (33 minutes :eek: )

Scorch
Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:27 AM
I can sense a fight brewing over the age old Seles Graf thing. The Graf fans are gathering their forces in anticipation......

Anyway I will always think of Mary Pierce as the ultimate dominating player. She is just very inconsistent. She plays the type of game that when 'in the zone' the other player has little chance because Mary goes for winners on every ball and gets them.

So her most dominating wins imo are....

Pierce vs. Graf French 1994: 6-2 6-2

and then in perhaps the most dominating TOURNAMENT ever:
Hilton Head USA

WT 17 Apr 2000 - 23 Apr 2000 Clay (O)
Entry: DA Seed: 1
64 B BYE
32 W Gala LEON-GARCIA (ESP) 6-1 6-1
16 W Anna PISTOLESI (ISR) 6-1 6-2
QF W Jelena DOKIC (YUG) 6-3 6-1
SF W Monica SELES (USA) 6-1 6-1
FR W Arantxa SANCHEZ-VICARIO (ESP) 6-1 6-0
:eek:



Another candidate for the most dominating tournament ever would be Seles in the 1995 Canadian open:

WT 14 Aug 1995 - 20 Aug 1995 Hard (O)
Entry: WC Seed: 1
64 B BYE
32 W Kimberly PO-MESSERLI (USA) 6-0 6-3
16 W Nathalie TAUZIAT (FRA) 6-2 6-2
QF W Anke HUBER (GER) 6-3 6-2
SF W Gabriela SABATINI (ARG) 6-1 6-0
FR W Amanda COETZER (RSA) 6-0 6-1

Scorch
Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:30 AM
Another thing that I always think about is the most dominating statistic I have ever seen:

Serena serving 100% first serves in the US open for a set against Hingis.

I mean the girl has the best serve in women's tennis and she serves 100% :eek:

irma
Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:35 AM
it was amazing she served ace after ace!

Nacho
Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:46 AM
I can sense a fight brewing over the age old Seles Graf thing. The Graf fans are gathering their forces in anticipation......

Anyway I will always think of Mary Pierce as the ultimate dominating player. She is just very inconsistent. She plays the type of game that when 'in the zone' the other player has little chance because Mary goes for winners on every ball and gets them.

So her most dominating wins imo are....

Pierce vs. Graf French 1994: 6-2 6-2

and then in perhaps the most dominating TOURNAMENT ever:
Hilton Head USA

WT 17 Apr 2000 - 23 Apr 2000 Clay (O)
Entry: DA Seed: 1
64 B BYE
32 W Gala LEON-GARCIA (ESP) 6-1 6-1
16 W Anna PISTOLESI (ISR) 6-1 6-2
QF W Jelena DOKIC (YUG) 6-3 6-1
SF W Monica SELES (USA) 6-1 6-1
FR W Arantxa SANCHEZ-VICARIO (ESP) 6-1 6-0
:eek:



Another candidate for the most dominating tournament ever would be Seles in the 1995 Canadian open:

WT 14 Aug 1995 - 20 Aug 1995 Hard (O)
Entry: WC Seed: 1
64 B BYE
32 W Kimberly PO-MESSERLI (USA) 6-0 6-3
16 W Nathalie TAUZIAT (FRA) 6-2 6-2
QF W Anke HUBER (GER) 6-3 6-2
SF W Gabriela SABATINI (ARG) 6-1 6-0
FR W Amanda COETZER (RSA) 6-0 6-1

What about this one?

Conchita at Hamburg '95

WT 01 May 1995 - 07 May 1995 Clay (O)
Entry: DA Seed: 2
32 B BYE
16 W Radomira ZRUBAKOVA (SVK) 6-1 6-4
QF W Jana KANDARR (GER) 6-1 6-0
SF W Magdalena MALEEVA (BUL) 6-0 6-0
FR W Martina HINGIS (SUI) 6-1 6-0

:)

Another awful match that comes to my mind is Seles def Bes 6-0 6-0 at Wimbledon 2002

wongqks
Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:53 AM
I can still remeber the Hilton Head tournament in 2000, I remeber Mary have like 3 unforced error in her match against Monica, and I remeber Monica did not play that bad at all. What is amazing is that Mary was slightly off compare to her match aganst Monica in the final against Arantxa, but when i say that I mean she hit like 12 UFs at the final ;)

After that tournament, I made a prediction that mary will win french but in her other tuneups, I remember she lost in her last tournament before Frech Open that year to De Natale in first round :rolleyes: shows how incocnsistent she can be

Jakeev
Apr 3rd, 2003, 09:59 AM
Well if you are talking the match dominated by winners, than Pierce over Graf in 1994 in Paris and Graf over Zvereva in Paris 1988.

Also, Navratilova beating Evert 6-0, 6-2 in the 83 Amelia Island final. I think that was to this day Chris' worst loss and on clay even.

Honorable mentions Serena beating Venus at Nasdaq last year and Hingis giving Monica the double bagel a few years ago.

TonyP
Apr 4th, 2003, 06:31 AM
2001 Australian Open semi-finals, Hingis over Venus 6-1,6-1.

spencercarlos
Apr 4th, 2003, 07:05 AM
Here you go with the most dominated tournament ever

Rome ITA

Rome 1991 Gabriela Sabatini
32 W Amanda COETZER (RSA) 6-2 6-2
16 W Nathalie TAUZIAT (FRA) 6-0 6-1
QF W Jennifer CAPRIATI (USA) 6-0 6-2
SF W Conchita MARTINEZ (ESP) 6-1 6-0
FR W Monica SELES (USA) 6-3 6-2

bandabou
Apr 4th, 2003, 01:18 PM
Well, Serena seems to have a lot of dominating perfomances! And this is excluding Wimbledon 2000! I mean the girl lost only 13!!! games en route to the final! That was demolition! She had a set in the third round when she lost only 3!!! points! That was the closest we have ever been to see a golden set! I think when Serena's on.....woowww, that's some scary thing to witness!

Even at the Canadian Open against Hingis. I think if she hadn't got injured Hingis would have gotten quit a double bagel! 8 straight games against the world no.1?! Wow!

Chance
Apr 4th, 2003, 01:42 PM
Serena against Daja USOPEN 2002.....I knew after that match that Serena was going to win the USOPEN, which left me with an odd feeling.

Robbie.
Apr 4th, 2003, 01:50 PM
Here you go with the most dominated tournament ever

Rome ITA

Rome 1991 Gabriela Sabatini
32 W Amanda COETZER (RSA) 6-2 6-2
16 W Nathalie TAUZIAT (FRA) 6-0 6-1
QF W Jennifer CAPRIATI (USA) 6-0 6-2
SF W Conchita MARTINEZ (ESP) 6-1 6-0
FR W Monica SELES (USA) 6-3 6-2

Wow! that really is impressive. All 5 of those players made top 3 at some stage of their careers,they have 13 GS titles between them and over 100 titles :eek: Gabi had so much talent, if only she had the head :sad:

JenCpLvr
Apr 4th, 2003, 02:07 PM
Jennifer Capriati defeated Mary Pierce 6-0 6-0

Aus Open 2003: Kim Clijsters def Mandula 6-0, 6-0

Double bagels baby!

Andre@
Apr 4th, 2003, 03:59 PM
Martina def Venus 6/1 6/1 Australian Open Semifinal 2001

pan
Apr 4th, 2003, 05:51 PM
MARY-JOE FERNANDEZ def. KANDARR 6-0 6-0
SELES def. WEING─RTNER 6-0 6-0
both in wimbledon

and STEFFI GRAF in the late 80s and early 90s in every first, second and third round! ;)

franny
Apr 6th, 2003, 10:05 AM
mary always comes to mind for me when it comes to dominating. She's not the best player, but damn, when that girl is on, she is ON!!!!!!!!

i mean, here:

Pierce Vs Graf-roland garros 6-2, 6-2(amazing match)

Pierce Vs. Seles-Family circle cup 2000-6-1,6-0?(or something like that, but omg mary was on fire that day, she was hitting winners from everywhere and ended wit a 114 mph ace)

Pierce Vs Sanchez Vicario-family circle cup 2000-6-1, 6-0?(again, same as above, she was amazing).

Pierce Vs. Serena Williams, Indian Wells 2000(mary was amazing, i remembered seeing it, and never have i seen serena williams so overpowered. Mary was seeing the ball well and hitting it to the corners, and after the match, serena said it best herself: "everyball i hit mary seemed to hit it back harder". Amazing performance by mary, and by the way, the next day, she follows it up wit 4 amazing games against hingis before she got tired)

Pierce has also doubled bagelled countless numbers of opponents, including a very young martina hingis. i dont kno, it juss seems to me that when mary WAS on, she could beat anyone easily. its pretty scary.

Kart
Apr 6th, 2003, 10:48 AM
That Pierce win in Hilton Head was just :worship: .

The most dominating match I saw last year though was that JEnCap win over Mary in Rome - I kept waiting for Mary to start hitting winners and at the beginning you just felt she was riding ths storm. At the end though, she was trying but it was too late.

gmak
Apr 6th, 2003, 11:05 AM
i agree

mary vs steffi 1994 FO simply amazing performance i was watching in awe

mary's matches at charleston in 2000 and especially the bagels over monica and arantxa :eek:

but her match against serena at INDIAN WELLS earlier that year although the scoreline was 7-5 6-3 i've never seen serena so totally dominated :eek:

also serena vs martina at the CANADIAN OPEN in 2000 up 6-0 2-0 before getting injured


and martina vs monica in MIAMI 1997 6-2 6-1 simply amazing match from martina

Gandalf
Apr 6th, 2003, 11:50 AM
A few corrections: Mary didn't bagel Monica, she won 6-1,6-1. And the match against Serena ended 6-2,6-1 or 6-1, 6-2. This one didn't impress me that much, because, although Mary played very well, Serena was out of sorts and made countless errors.