View Full Version : Second echelon

Jan 28th, 2003, 04:09 PM
I'd like to open the thread that would be about discussing our nearest prospects, namely , players who are in the second hundred or around it. Of course, it is not about, say Nadya or Lina, who are there on temporary basis. Neither it is about players ranked very low, below 250-300, because they still have quite a way to go. Lets say, it's about those whom we can already see playing Grand Slams qualifying, so they are already a threat to get noticed and break into Top 100.

As it seems to be right now, we are much better in Top 100 than in the second, which is, I guess, natural. Most of our girls destined to do well, and Top 100 is a final destiny, so that's why most of them are there. But whom can we expect to get there any time soon?

OK, Lina, Nadya will be there within weeks. I am a little bit worried about Nadya probably running out of her protected rankings events, so she'll have to play low tiers soon, which is probably OK. Let's not forget, neither her nor Lina have a title yet.

Zhenya Koulikovskaya is , as usual, balancing on the edge of Top 100. With her unorthodox style of play, it is very difficult to expect her doing any better. What can trick a second 100 player, won't be enough against power of Top 100 player.

Nastya Rodionova seem to get stuck in the Top half of the second hundred. Maybe she will be able to gradually drift a bit higher and become ranked like Zhenya, or Alinka at best. But highly unlikely any better than that - with her physique, she needs to transform herself pretty much Panova-style to have a chance.
Masha Goloviznina - a player I've never seen play. As remarkable as it is, she now seems to be the only amateur in Top 200. What is she doing for living then?
Well, Masha Sharapova will be very soon in Top 100, that is pretty obvious and she seems to be the only our prospect of the second 200 in nearest future..

Jan 28th, 2003, 04:30 PM
Other than Maria Sharapova
only other one i got hope for in top 200 is Galina Fokina (but she's a little inconsistent at this very moment)
She's the only top range lefty we have (not counting Zhenya K)
but she's still only 18.

Masha G, agree she hardly plays any events. No idea what else she does.
Masha G, Zhenya K, Nastya Rodionova at best can be like another Alina. A Good run could take them around to #75.

Lina and Nadya not having titles (couldnt do much about it last yr). Lina had only played one Tier IV/V event from the time she was 15 until last October.
they know they both can handle the big tiers and make their way back doing that, but still a title is very nice to have.

Lina and Nadya still have 4 Injury events left.

* Maria Kirilenko is upto #330 :)
Vera D is hoping to play 25K's soon but she's only on the ALT's list on two $25K events in UK (wish i could go but they are around 300km away)

the cat
Jan 29th, 2003, 12:53 AM
How is Maria Goloviznina still an amateur? :confused: Isn't she in her early 20's? She isn't playing in college, is she? That's the only way I could see her still being a junior.

Vera Douchevina is not progressing like I thought she would. And unlike Maria Sharapova and Maria Kirilenko, Vera is not playing enough challengers. Maybe it's time she moved to Florida to train in better facilities, train with better weather more suited for tennis and most importantly, have access to all of the challengers in America. I still have high hopes for Vera. But you have to wonder what the gameplan is for her developement.

I am happy with the progress of Maria Kirilenko. But she still has a long way to go. I hope she can finish this year in the top 150, and maybe even the top 100 if she has some good wins on the WTA Tour.

Jan 29th, 2003, 01:33 AM
maria k is a bit inconsistent i think. she can play some great tennis but it comes in spells. one week she might win a challenger and the next she'll lose in the 2nd round. i guess the level of the other players is part of it and fatigue. i think with that second round lose she had to qualify for the event so looking at it that way it wasn't as bad toournament.

i am getting impatient with vera i expected her in the top 200 by this stage. i would have thought that with her stellar junior career she would be offered a lot of wildcards in not only challengers but also wta maindraws and qualify draws. is she not applying for WC's or something?

Jan 29th, 2003, 03:50 AM
Vera and Masha still got their Junior Exempt placings up their sleeve

2002 top 10 finishers
#1 $75K x3 or lower
#2 $75 x2 plus $50K (Vera)
#3-5 $50K x2 plus 25K (Maria K)
#6-10 $25K x3

Vera had a few placings in qualifying draws of WTA events last year.

Jun 1st, 2003, 12:54 AM
So, our next wave gets its first RG chance..

Go Anya Tchakvetadze , Katya Bychkova, Alisa Kleybanova, and Vera Douchevina The Veteran:)

Jun 1st, 2003, 09:22 AM
Vera should have played Surbiton instead
as she needs some grass matches before Wimbledon qualies.

Clay is the one surface although she likes it, its her least preferred.
Katya B only got in as a LL but now has a tough match vs a Spanish girl who's 17 and ranked 500 on WTA.
Vera's draw isn't the kindest with Marta Fraga in rd 2:(:(

Anna T should be ok for a couple of rds
Alisa should make her mark here too but i'd give her 1/4 at best.

the cat
Jun 2nd, 2003, 03:23 AM
Where is Maria Kirilenko? It's strange to see Vera Douchevina still playing the juniors. She is the best junior in the world when she plays. I don't think anyone would doubt that. But I don't really consider her a junior anymore. If she had only played the junior U.S. Open last year she probably would have ended junior #1. And now that the ITF Champions Ball is upon us, I am annoyed that a Russian girl is not receiving her junior world championship trophy at this years Ball. :( Vera Douchevina, Maria Kirilenko or Maria Sharapova should have been junior world champion last year. But they let Barbora Strycova walk away with the award.

King Aaron
Jun 2nd, 2003, 05:05 PM
I think Masha Kirilenko is doing the right thing by not playing RG juniors. Besides, I'm sure she is preparing and training hard for the few tournaments she's going to play for the rest of the year.

Feb 28th, 2004, 05:01 AM
It is strange time, I must admit. Our top girls are squeezing into top rows, I would not be surprised to see as many as 7 or 8 of our girls in Top 20 soon. At the same time, we have no one ranked 50-100. I do expect Douchevina and Kirilenko to jumpover that zone into Top 50 soon, but that particular zone is pretty much expected to stay Russian-free.

Feb 28th, 2004, 05:07 AM
50-100 is going to have Lena B., Lena L., Lina, and Tatiana. Plus Vera and Masha.
And I still have hope that Anna K. will get there this fall.

Feb 28th, 2004, 05:09 AM
I also expect 7 in the top 20. All 22 and under.

- L i n a -
Feb 28th, 2004, 05:15 AM
50-100 is going to have Lena B., Lena L., Lina, and Tatiana. Plus Vera and Masha.
And I still have hope that Anna K. will get there this fall.
You've finally realized I'm right about Lena B. I think you're a little harsh on Lina though.

I think there will be 6 Russians, at most, in the Top 20 at the end of the year... Nastya, Elena D, Vera, Nadia (assuming she's coming back soon), Sveta (maybe, I think she'll be close) and Maria (if she keeps playing baby tournies).

Feb 28th, 2004, 06:54 AM
You've finally realized I'm right about Lena B. I think you're a little harsh on Lina though.

I think there will be 6 Russians, at most, in the Top 20 at the end of the year... Nastya, Elena D, Vera, Nadia (assuming she's coming back soon), Sveta (maybe, I think she'll be close) and Maria (if she keeps playing baby tournies).
Dina will be there too, I am sure..

Feb 28th, 2004, 09:35 AM
Lina and Nadya been hampered by injuries again this yr :sad:
Lina with leg strain and other various ailments :sad: :sad:
Nadya has in reality not played since Gold Coast (Aus Open was a mistake to play)
dont give up on Lena B :) she'll come good again, just temporary lapse.

Jidkova possibly will finish inside top 100 again.

Chakvetadze & Linetskaya in around top 150 by yr end
Voskoboeva knocking on door of Top 100

Bastrikova Top 250 (hope higher)
Vesnina, Bychkova also around 200 mark.

Kleybanova will be playing some bigger events this yr, she has 3 Junior Exempts (2x50k and 1x25k), hope to see her around 300 mark or higher.

Feb 29th, 2004, 05:41 PM
some good news from the kiddies

the U14's won the European Winter Cup :yeah: :)

full details on here http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=3109941#post3109941 (also U16's scores on here too)

Sunday's results from Pruhonice (U14s)


Russia d. Slovak Rep 3-0

Anastasia Pivovarova d. Kristina Kucova 57 76(1) 61
Elena Kulikova d. Klaudia Boczova 60 63
Kulikova/Pavlyuchenkova d. Boczova/Balogova 63 61

Elena Kulikova won the Les Petits (U14's recently too)

- L i n a -
Feb 29th, 2004, 05:47 PM
Would Elena be Regina's sister?

Feb 29th, 2004, 05:57 PM
probably not, Kulikova is a pretty common name
there's 3 Kulikova's i know of.

Regina from St Petersburg (89), Alexandra from Moscow (89) and Elena (91) ??

- L i n a -
Feb 29th, 2004, 07:40 PM
I was confused with the Kulikova's because that's the 3rd I've seen.

Regina will be the best one anyway. :)

Feb 29th, 2004, 07:49 PM
Regina is gonna be very good.
this is her from last weeks event in Santiago


Feb 29th, 2004, 07:55 PM
E. Kulikova is a good prospect too. She's won the Kremlin Cup U14.

- L i n a -
Feb 29th, 2004, 08:25 PM
I followed Regina since she started in 2002. I only liked her because I saw a pic of her, and I like her name. :p

She only played low Russian junior tournaments, and wasn't very impressive.

I'm very surprised she's turned it around the past few months. She's like an entirely different player.

Mar 14th, 2004, 01:40 PM
Irina Kotkina won Grade 1 Asuncion Bowl :D :)
she bt Regina K in semis

well done Ira :)
she's turned it around big time this yr.
she's 17 1/2 now, and about time. (made two $10k finals as well)

Mar 14th, 2004, 02:17 PM
I hope Ira does well at Banana Bowl... that would be such a confidence booster.

Mar 18th, 2004, 08:30 PM
Irina Kotkina plus 14 yr olds Regina Kulikova and Alisa Kleybanova into QF of Banana Bowl 2004 :yeah: :D
hopefully all 3 win their QF matches :)

they should be favs to win their matches too :)
go girls :)

Mar 18th, 2004, 10:27 PM
Regina must have a damn good chance to get a WC at ST. Petersburgh. The current form she's in, a M.D.-Wc would be fair just to gain some experience and have a 50K. under her belt

Mar 19th, 2004, 10:03 PM
As expected Alisa into semis like Irina & Regina. If Regina continues her progress she could have an all Russian final.

Mar 31st, 2004, 03:59 PM
How about this 3 Russians won in last week Juniors events. Has that ever happened before, hardly I think.

Apr 16th, 2004, 05:38 PM
Russian tournaments to come but they are NOT at a good time

Week of
21 June 2004

QU: 20-21
MD: 22-27
$ 10'000

ELEKTROSTAL (http://www.tenniseurope.org/sites/ftproot/women/factsheet/2004/ELEKTROSTAL.pdf)

Faxback doc number
QU: 32
MD: 32
Withdrawal Deadline MD
Withdrawal Deadline Q
Entry List (http://www.tenniseurope.org/sites/women/eta_wmn_entrylist.asp?id=2105)
www.tfmo.rustennis.com (http://www.tfmo.rustennis.com/)
Week of
28 June 2004

QU: 27-28
MD: 29-4
$ 10'000

PROTVINO (http://www.tenniseurope.org/sites/ftproot/women/factsheet/2004/PROTVINO.pdf)

Faxback doc number
QU: 32
MD: 32
HARD Entry Deadline
Withdrawal Deadline MD
Withdrawal Deadline Q
Entry List (http://www.tenniseurope.org/sites/women/eta_wmn_entrylist.asp?id=2104)
Week of
23 August 2004

QU: 22-23
MD: 24-29
$ 25'000

MOSCOW (http://www.tenniseurope.org/sites/ftproot/women/factsheet/2004/MOSCOW.pdf)

Faxback doc number
QU: 32
MD: 32
CLAY Entry Deadline
Withdrawal Deadline MD
Withdrawal Deadline Q
Entry List (http://www.tenniseurope.org/sites/women/eta_wmn_entrylist.asp?id=2187)
119048 MOSCOW
TEL: 7 095 7881698
FAX: 7 095 2464383
www.multisport.ru (http://www.multisport.ru/)
Week of
30 August 2004

QU: 29-30
MD: 31-5
$ 25'000


CHEKHOV (http://www.tenniseurope.org/sites/ftproot/women/factsheet/2004/CHEKHOV.pdf)

Faxback doc number
QU: 32
MD: 32
CARPET Entry Deadline
Withdrawal Deadline MD
Withdrawal Deadline Q
Entry List (http://www.tenniseurope.org/sites/women/eta_wmn_entrylist.asp?id=2106)
TEL: 7 095 4319065
FAX: 7 095 4319792
tfmo.rustennis.com (http://tfmo.rustennis.com/)

Foot's Fingers
Mar 2nd, 2005, 09:10 PM
any more suggestions afte 2 years have passed?

Zhenya K retired :sad:
Nastya out of top 200

Maria G still play very random

But so funny to read abt Sharapova and Sveta andVera right now

Mar 3rd, 2005, 07:33 AM
I wish I joined this board sooner :sad:

Mar 3rd, 2005, 04:56 PM
New names to add from the U14 K. Pervak and Nastya Pavlyuchenkova

Apr 15th, 2005, 07:34 PM
Arina Rodionova won her first 10 K. title. :D

Foot's Fingers
Apr 15th, 2005, 09:34 PM
Arina Rodionova won her first 10 K. title. :D

Rodionovas rules

i want to say thak you to KV for all support

So pitty that i can't good rep KV right now, will doo soonest as this board agree to proceed with in

Apr 16th, 2005, 05:07 PM
guess who this is......... just like big sis ;)


Apr 16th, 2005, 05:26 PM
That must be the younger sis, the Minsk 10 K. winner on Carpet.

Jul 30th, 2005, 03:53 PM
Russian U18's thru to Euro Finals this week
Russian U16's also in Euro Finals this week.

Russian U14's in World Finals next week, should have a good line up there ;)

more like 3rd echelon ;)

the 90's :baby: (ies)
Elena Chernyakova 19/10/90
Anastasia Pivovarova 16/06/90
Maria Mokh 04/11/90
Ksenia Lykina 19/06/90

91's :baby: :baby:
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova 03/07/91
Ksenia Pervak 27/05/91
Elena Kulikova 06/05/91
Marta Sirotkina 22/03/91