View Full Version : WHO else besides a Williams will be in a GS final and WHEN?

Bright Red
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:04 AM
Please name the event and the player.


Jan 24th, 2003, 01:14 AM
Roland Garros. It's the hardest slam to defend. But still, don't bet against them

Bright Red
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:18 AM
So soon, tennisIlove? But who will the non-Williams finalist (one player) be? (just give the name of one player. Note: I didn't say winner)

Jan 24th, 2003, 01:21 AM
Originally posted by Bright Red
So soon, tennisIlove? But who will the non-Williams finalist (one player) be? (just give the name of one player. Note: I didn't say winner)

I think that soon. Like I said, Roland Garros is the hardest Slam to defend. I think it will be tough.

Capriati, Henin-Hardenne, Clijsters, Seles are the top runners. But the thing that makes Roland Garros tough to defend, is that there are so many clay court specialists. You'll have tough rounds through out.

Mauresmo, Suarez, Fernandez among others

Bright Red
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:24 AM
I see. The red clay is a very tricky surface.

Jan 24th, 2003, 01:27 AM
I really think Justine or Kim can beat Venus at Roland Garros. Venus doesn't have the best movement on clay, and the Belgians have shown they can compete with Venus even when she's not playing awful. Serena's a different story.

Jan 24th, 2003, 01:29 AM
I don't care who, when or where as long as it's soon. 4 tragically bad GS finals is enough of a record as Serena's dominance.

Jan 24th, 2003, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by Leena
I really think Justine or Kim can beat Venus at Roland Garros. Venus doesn't have the best movement on clay, and the Belgians have shown they can compete with Venus even when she's not playing awful. Serena's a different story.

Henin beat Serena when Serena was playing well. The German Open was an epic match.

Clijsters only beat Venus once. The LA Champs, Venus was injured. I never saw the Hamburg final.

So I'm not sure you can say "the Belgians have shown they compete with Venus even when she's not playing awful". It doesn't add up.

Ryan: Hopefully this final will be better

Bright Red
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:34 AM
Two picks for RG already, and one of the Belgians. Hmmm?

Jan 24th, 2003, 01:41 AM
I think that Wimbledon and US Open are Williams territory. I agree that RG is probably the toughest, but I think that Venus is very motivated to win it. I believe she will make it to the finals this year. If there is someone else besides a Williams in the finals there...I don't know who it'll be. Probably Kim. She plays well on clay and has done it before (finalist). Justine is also very strong there, even though she lost to Kapros last year. Maybe Dinara!!!! (I know, I'm dreaming...but can't I dream a bit?!)

Jan 24th, 2003, 01:42 AM
i don't think davenport or mauresmo can beat them at least not they way they have been playing the last 6 months.

jen can beat them but she has to be really on and have some luck because she played well against serena at the championships but still didn't beat her. i also think in a grand slam jen needs an easy first couple of rounds so she get get her game on track.

kim surprised me agaiinst serena at the AO this year. kim was very consistent with her groundies and could handle the pace of serena. serena had trouble because i don't think she has played someone who is that consistent against with their groundies. serena wasn't use to having so many long rallies but i expect both sisters to overcome this problem as the depth increases.

i can see the potential in hantuchova but you can never tell with her.

i don't think justine has it against the sisters.

dokic needs to get quicker and add another dimension to her game.

bovina has shown talent and i think she now just needs to get over the mental barrier.

daniilidou to me looks like the best prospect. she just needs to really work that serve out.

i think this year these are the women who have the most chance against the sisters and i would have to say the best time to make a charge would be at roland garros. kim and justine are great clay court players and i don't think they have ever been in such good form going into the open. if they can keep up their current form i would think at least one of them would get through. but the sisters already have the momentum and that is hard to stop.

Bright Red
Jan 24th, 2003, 01:46 AM
Yet another RG, but also the first mention of Jennifer. The plot thickens.

vs1, I'm going to borrow your wording to re-title this thread. It's clearer.

Jan 24th, 2003, 01:48 AM
Clijsters, RG!

Actually, I don't know. I think they're not invincible, just very very good, and I do think Kim has a good chance some time in the next 18 months or so. I would say on the past year's results Wimbledon and US this year will be all-Williams, but if Kim or someone else improves, who knows?

Jan 24th, 2003, 01:53 AM
When: Probably not 2003. If the other girls can't do it at RG then it won't happen. No-one has the game to beat them on grass, and by the time the US Open comes around the girls will be too demoralised to have any chance at all.

Who: Of the top tenners in their current form I'm gonna go out on a limb and say either Justine or Amelie on Clay. Justine demonstrated last clay season that she is more than good enough to challenge the sisters on clay courts. And if Amelie can push Venus on hardcourt I think Clay would suit her even better.

For Kim or Jenn to pose a threat some things have to happen. 1) Jenn needs to get to the final rounds where she can meet the sisters 2) Kim needs to grow some balls :p

None of the other top tenners have the game to disrupt the dominance at this stage.

Jan 24th, 2003, 01:55 AM

What's your take on Daniela Hantuchova?

Jan 24th, 2003, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by tennisIlove09

What's your take on Daniela Hantuchova?

I love Dani. And I think that she is more than worthy of her top 5 rank at the moment. But as soon as she has become a "name" player (ie: she is no longer a suprise packet), Venus and Serena really haven't had a lot of trouble with her. I think if any player is going to take it to the sisters on grass it is dani - as she showed with a competitive, if not tight match, at Wimby against Serena - but after seeing her in the AO quarters against Venus I really do not think she is yet mentally tough enough to become a nemesis. Venus was just winning ALL the important points. She also needs to develop her consistency, which will come over the next 12 months but I can't see her beating the Williams at a Grandslam until at least 2004.

As was demonstrated in yesterday's semifinals, beating the sisters is often about mental strength as much as game. They are #1 and #2 because they are not only immesely talented but are head and shoulders above the rest of the tour in the mental department.

Jan 24th, 2003, 02:06 AM
2004 Roland Garros - Clijstera
2005 Aussie Open - Clijsters
2005 U.S. Open - Hantuchova

2008 U.S Open - Kournikova :eek:

Jan 24th, 2003, 02:06 AM
i'm shoting high here,but i think Dokic will make the RG finalsalong with Clijsters. wouldn't that be amazing:)

Jan 24th, 2003, 02:16 AM
I think Kim has a chance at the French, she beat Venus in Hamburg last year and I think she will make the final of the French, not sure she will win it. I think Justine and Amelie have a shot also.

Jan 24th, 2003, 02:19 AM
2003 Us Open- Hantuchova vs Kim, no williams in the final

Jan 24th, 2003, 03:38 AM
Joseosu - Are you a comedian? :)

Jan 24th, 2003, 04:04 AM
Kim, either at RG this spring or at the Australian Open next year.

I really don't see Venus or Serena losing their aura of invincibility at either Wimbledon or Flushing Meadows.

Sam L
Jan 24th, 2003, 04:48 AM
2005 French Open: Justine vs. Amelie ;)

Bright Red
Jan 24th, 2003, 07:31 AM
Clijsters has really stepped it up a notch lately. She was on fire last night. I really want the Sisters to do well again this year at RG (especially Venus).

Jan 24th, 2003, 09:17 AM
At the mo', would say the rest of the tour need to be hoping for a dose of gastro, or a sprained ankle on the part of V or S, causing a withdrawal before final.

Though obviously am not hoping for that, as refuse to wish injury or illness on ANYBODY.


Outside poss of Mary Pierce losing the weight and playing off her head as she does occasionally...

Jan 24th, 2003, 12:42 PM
Martina Hingis. Australian Open 2004. :)

Jan 24th, 2003, 12:53 PM
Justine Henin-Hardenne has a good chance. :bounce:

Jan 24th, 2003, 12:55 PM
Kim clijsters at wimbledon 2003:bounce: :bounce:

Jan 24th, 2003, 12:56 PM
I think the Belgians at Roland Garros have the best chance, since that is always the most wide open Slam. I dont see anyone else doing it.

Jan 24th, 2003, 01:09 PM
i think if it doesnt happen at this frenchopen then it wont happen anywhere this year.

Jan 24th, 2003, 01:14 PM
Originally posted by vs1
Justine is also very strong there, even though she lost to Kapros last year.

Remember she was ill :sad: and had beaten Serena in Berlin

German Open Berlin F :
Henin def. Serena Williams 6-2, 1-6, 7-6(5)
Italian Open Rome, Italy F :
Serena Williams def. Henin 7-6(6), 6-4

She has a good chance, Kim also. Momo has the potential but there's gonna be a lot of pressure again.

Jan 24th, 2003, 03:10 PM
Justine H-H, Roland Garros, the year she gets her head together 9so far, that looks like this year).

(Amťlie would have had a chance at the Australian Open, but she wasn't here. And she has issues with her home Slam.)

I can't see anyone else beating a healthy Williams in a Slam right now. No one at all at Wimbledon and the US Open, and if Kim can't do it here she can't do it anywhere. (Kim is *completely* overrated as a clay-courter, at least compared with Justine.) Daniela? Lol.

So, yes. Justine at RG 2003 or Amťlie at AO 2004.

VS Fan
Jan 24th, 2003, 03:25 PM
Clay court... Justine

Anywhere else...Kim

Note: However this will probably happen when a floater like Loit or Callens actually WINS an early round match and bumps one of the sisters out early.

Jan 24th, 2003, 03:29 PM
You said 'in', not 'win'.

Kim, RG 2003. If not then, then not til OZ 2004

Jan 24th, 2003, 03:34 PM
Kim really improved and will be a tough opponent for both williams at any face up they will have in future.

But maybe Dokic will be their toughest opponent, this year. First she already beat Venus, and nearly had Serena at L.A....... and secondly, she is now coached by Heinz GŁnthardt.

I mean, he doesnt need the money, and he has a name to defend! Why should he agree to coach the no 5 of the world, if he wouldnt think he could make her to the no1, or at least make her winning a grand slam?

And that was your question, wasnt it?
And I guess Heinz GŁnthardt answerd (and thats the former coach of Steffi Graf, for those of you, who forgot)

Jan 24th, 2003, 04:41 PM
The way people are approaching "who" seems to assume that the non-sister in the final will be the person who beats the sister in her half of the draw.

My money's on and early-round upset. Either Venus or Serena will walk on court with her guard down and find herself facing someone who decides to/is inspired to play the best tennis of her life (and will go on to lose in the next round).

Frau Antje
Jan 24th, 2003, 04:54 PM
French Open final 2003: Kim vs. Justine :bounce:

Jan 26th, 2003, 12:47 PM
French Open 2003, Justine or Kim.
(hopefully Justine)

Jan 26th, 2003, 02:42 PM
Griff - Oddly enough and as much as I hate to say it, you have a valid point. :eek:

That is what may be most likely to occur and of course, the dreaded injury to either WILLIAMS.

Jan 26th, 2003, 05:14 PM
FO Monica Vs Venus
WIMBLEDON Serena Vs Venus
USopen Monica Vs Serena