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selesadmirer
Dec 25th, 2002, 01:55 AM
Yeah who do you think is faster graf,serena,or sanchez...I would say steffi she was very quick.

kournikovafan13
Dec 25th, 2002, 01:58 AM
Aranxta

imo, Venus is faster than Serena

Venus Forever
Dec 25th, 2002, 02:00 AM
Venus, then Serena, then ASV, then Graf

spencercarlos
Dec 25th, 2002, 02:29 AM
Graf the fastest, Arantxa the quickest ever ;)

PhoenixStorm
Dec 25th, 2002, 04:28 AM
considering that venus and serena get to shots that NO ONE gets to except for jen, I would say venus first because of her reach and speed, serena, jen, asv, graf.

Of course everyone will just pick their fav as always.

BasicTennis
Dec 25th, 2002, 05:28 AM
The Williams are not only fast; they could get to the ball and return it still with power.;)

irma
Dec 25th, 2002, 05:50 AM
steffi. without being the fastest she had not won so much since she could not have covered the open spot she often created during a point!

and I keep saying it. she was one yes away from the olympics on the 800 meter! many experts have said that she could have won gold with ease!

the fact that she was not a counterpuncher since she was not exactly the most patient person in the world has nothing to do with being fast.

way
Dec 25th, 2002, 09:37 AM
AGAIN!!!
WE cannot *measure* absloute speed in terms of mph.
Otherwise the fastest is always the last to catch the record.
(as in track-and-field)
So we must judge the *absolute* value of one's own speed in comparison with her/his contemporaries, of course.
Successive record-breakers are faster but not *necessarily* *superior* in absolute value.
Graf is the fastest tennis player there's ever been, in this respect.

Glenn
Dec 25th, 2002, 09:43 AM
Clijsters is fastest, well, she basically has the best reach because none of the other players are so cat-like.
She can just do a split like it's nothing.
Serena in my opinion is big, heavy and not as mobile.
Venus is faster, and has a better reach too because her legs are like 10 times as long as Serena's.
Arantxa was fast too, and Steffi had great footwork, so she would always find a way to get to the ball correct.

Devin2.0
Dec 25th, 2002, 10:02 AM
Graf by a nanosecond, serena and arantxa are tied, venus is not as quick but makes up for it with her reach.

vs1
Dec 25th, 2002, 10:11 AM
Serena is the speediest and then she returns the shot with lots of power and angles.

nuriboy
Dec 25th, 2002, 10:13 AM
I donīt think that there is even a discussion here. The Williams sisters are the players with the best court couverage ever, so they are the quickest. Serena is the quickest of the two, while Venus makes up for that with her length. ASV and Steffi were fast too.

ARANTXA:simply the best
Dec 25th, 2002, 01:02 PM
Arantxa,for sure

GrandSlammed
Dec 25th, 2002, 01:17 PM
Ask Chris Evert... lol..

Aloysius
Dec 25th, 2002, 01:36 PM
Faster to orgasm? Or faster in speed around the court?

Amanda Coetzer on both counts. ;) (Not that I really know about the first part. hehe)

leslie
Dec 25th, 2002, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by Glenn
Clijsters is fastest, well, she basically has the best reach because none of the other players are so cat-like.
She can just do a split like it's nothing.
Serena in my opinion is big, heavy and not as mobile.
Venus is faster, and has a better reach too because her legs are like 10 times as long as Serena's.
Arantxa was fast too, and Steffi had great footwork, so she would always find a way to get to the ball correct.

I guess that is why Kim won 3 GS this year right, because she is so "cat-like and can split and Serena is big heavy and not as mobile". Child you are in denial big time.

nuriboy
Dec 25th, 2002, 01:57 PM
Iīm with you leslie. We all know who the fastest is: Serena!!!

Fingon
Dec 25th, 2002, 02:46 PM
Well, Steffi hasn't played since 1999 and had a baby,

Arantxa lost much of her speed and is also retired.

No doubts, Serena is the fastest:rolleyes:

mboyle
Dec 25th, 2002, 02:52 PM
1. Steffi (the girl could run:eek: )
2. Serena (just a split step slower, but more explosive)
3. Jen Cap (often overlooked, but speedy as hell)
3 tied. Kim (just amazing, and those splits:eek: )
3 tied. Venus (not as fast, but her legs allow her to leap across the court in literally three or four steps. If she were as fast as Serena, no one in the world, even men, could get a ball past her)
6. Aranxta, Mandy, and Anna: Anna before her ankle surgery was probably at number two, but she is still ridiculously fast. Aranxta and Coetzer are very fast too, but I have trouble giving them alot of credit because though they get to alot of balls, all they can do once there is push it back wheras all the others pound it back into the corners.

way
Dec 25th, 2002, 04:00 PM
Exactly, Fingon!
:)
Let's just hope "someone" gets the irony!
:wavey:

CC
Dec 25th, 2002, 04:02 PM
Let's line them up.

Fingon
Dec 25th, 2002, 04:08 PM
I doubt it way :D

anyways, people often confuse speed with anticipation.

Steffi, Monica, Martina, Justine are good examples, they are/were fast (Monica not now) but they looked faster because of their anticipation, they were running to the ball before the opponent hit it and that got them to reach a lot of balls.

Kim is fast but it's also deceiving, the splits let her win seconds and she looks faster than she really is.

Venus, she is fast but also has a great reach and gets to many balls just streching.

Amanda Coetzer, at her prime, and ASV were two of the fastest players IMO.

way
Dec 25th, 2002, 04:39 PM
Exactly, Fingon.
And also "speed" with "chronometers".
Jesse Owens ran "slower" in a *chronometric* term) than Ben Johnson, but he was waaaaay faster as an athlete.
All people with sense will always put Owens ahead of Ben Johnson
Time factor is an important factor.
Don't let us be misled by people who've been watching tennis for two ys now.

Ryan
Dec 25th, 2002, 04:55 PM
I agree with Way's way of analysing speed.

Steffi had amazing footwork and tempo in a match, added to her natural quickness she was definately the fastest.

nuriboy
Dec 25th, 2002, 08:00 PM
Whatīs the matter with you, Way?! Youīre starting to annoy me!! Donīt act like you know everything just because you think youīre older! You donīt know everybodyīs age or for how long they have been watching tennis, do you?! So shut up about this age thing!! You have your opinion, I have mine. If you think Steffi is the fastest fine. I have the RIGHT to think that Serena is faster even if you donīt agree with me. This hasnīt got anything to do with age or how long someone is a tennisfan! Donīt talk nonsense!

irma
Dec 25th, 2002, 08:11 PM
if steffi and serena had been in athletics. they had probably not meet each other anyway

serena seems like a sprinter to me (she is explosive)

and steffi as said was one step away from being the middle distance queen!

Julian
Dec 25th, 2002, 08:31 PM
I disagree mboyle about Arantxa..in her prime I once remember Betsey Nagelson saying that: no one can play a defensive position into an offensive position as well as Arantxa. (which means she not only brings the ball back but tends to get her opponent in trouble).

Although I agree of Steffi and Serena definitely in the top of the list..but look how tall they are and how long their legs are. You gotta give credit to Arantxa and Amanda who have to take so many steps and get there in about the same amount of time as the tall girls. Also, if there was an endurance race Arantxa and Amanda are right up there. :)

way
Dec 25th, 2002, 08:37 PM
Nuriboy:
Whatīs the matter with you, Way?! Youīre starting to annoy me!! Donīt act like you know everything just because you think youīre older! You donīt know everybodyīs age or for how long they have been watching tennis, do you?! So shut up about this age thing!! You have your opinion, I have mine. If you think Steffi is the fastest fine. I have the RIGHT to think that Serena is faster even if you donīt agree with me. This hasnīt got anything to do with age or how long someone is a tennisfan! Donīt talk nonsense!


Way:
I'm sorry if I'm annoying you.
But I can't be sorry if you keep acting as a teen who's unable to debate and just answer with ahhahahahhah.
WHY NOT ANSWERING MY QUESTION?
Do you think ANY 100metrist is *better* because he's *chronometrically* faster than the previous record holder?
Don't you think Carl Lewis is greater than ANY of his successors in spite of the fact his record keeps being surpassed (obviously)?

Answer this, Nuri, don't just hang on to your laughters and complaints.
Then I will respect you.
(I already respect your opinions, of course, even if you do not motivate)

DEETHELICK
Dec 25th, 2002, 08:56 PM
Arantxa didn't just push the ball back!!!! You don't become Number 1 and win Slams by just pushing balls back otherwise Smashnova would be a world number 1!!!!

Arantxa started doing what the Williams sisters do now, getting balls back and placing them so that the opponent had trouble. Williams have just added power to this skill.


In terms of the question, Steffi had great footwork, but her powerufl forehand helped a lot of the time.

I think Arantxa and Serena are 1st, then Steffi. Serena is more explosive, whilst Arantxa's anticipation helped her in terms of speed.

spencercarlos
Dec 25th, 2002, 09:09 PM
Originally posted by DEETHELICK
Arantxa didn't just push the ball back!!!! You don't become Number 1 and win Slams by just pushing balls back otherwise Smashnova would be a world number 1!!!!

Arantxa started doing what the Williams sisters do now, getting balls back and placing them so that the opponent had trouble. Williams have just added power to this skill.


In terms of the question, Steffi had great footwork, but her powerufl forehand helped a lot of the time.

I think Arantxa and Serena are 1st, then Steffi. Serena is more explosive, whilst Arantxa's anticipation helped her in terms of speed.

I understand your point DETTHELICK, but Mainly Arantxa got back to the point with AMAZING LOBS, but The Williamses go back with even more ofensive shots most of the times.

spencercarlos
Dec 25th, 2002, 09:11 PM
As myself i would Rank Venus just a bit up than Serena, I think Venus has more reach. What Makes Serena beat Venus are those powerful groudies (for sure movement counts) and a tecnical better forehand than Venus.

DEETHELICK
Dec 25th, 2002, 09:13 PM
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree, she frustrated opponents by getting balls back with difficult slices or out of this world groundstrokes. Lobs were a part of the plan, but not the main shot....otherwise she'd hit a 100 lobs per match, as against Seles and Graf, she could NOT match them in power.

There is more to Arantxa than just lobs, but this is about speed, which Arantxa had plenty of.

spencercarlos
Dec 25th, 2002, 09:24 PM
Originally posted by DEETHELICK
Arantxa started doing what the Williams sisters do now, getting balls back and placing them so that the opponent had trouble.

Yeah i meant about the comparisson with the Williamses. For sure Arantxa had that especial ability to come up the with a great shot from the most dificult position. But the Williamses ability its unmatched.

irma
Dec 25th, 2002, 09:29 PM
I always read steffi had the fastest legs till now

people must have been indoctrinated by the overrated forehand (nah not really but it made people forgot that she had more talents. go steffi:D
I am in a biased mood today ;))

DEETHELICK
Dec 25th, 2002, 09:38 PM
Steffi was a great mover, her FOOTWORK helped her anticipation and timing, but in terms of speed, I think Arantxa and Serena took over.

I'm biased today too (a little bit) :)

irma
Dec 25th, 2002, 09:40 PM
you don't run the 800 meters under 2 minutes with only good footwork!

DEETHELICK
Dec 25th, 2002, 09:48 PM
Good for Steffi, and man that is fast! But she stole Wimby from my Arantxa in 1995.....LOL

I appreciate Graf's speed, but it always looked like Arantxa was faster!

treufreund
Dec 25th, 2002, 09:50 PM
Steffi. I remember watching her in astonishment. Arantxa could definitely hit more than lobs but who cares cuz her lobs were truly incredible. I am not sure that getting to a ball and hitting with power is any more special than the amazingly high deep and consistent lobs that Arantxa produced. :D

schris
Dec 25th, 2002, 09:51 PM
It`s very hard to answer for me ;)
Steffi for sure! I have never seen a player who hit a forehand so many times on her backhand side thanks to her quickness and a great footwork!

nuriboy
Dec 25th, 2002, 10:17 PM
Ok dan Way. I see your point.

Way. What do you want me to say?! I canīt say who is better than who. Carl Lewis was one of the greatest athletes ever!! But to say that Maurice Greene is faster?! I donīt know because itīs the different era thing all over again. You have to take Carl to this era or Maurice to Carlīs era.

But in tennis you can say it as you see it. If you put Steffi in this era of power-tennis would she get as much ball as either Williams sister?! Remember that in Steffiīs era the woman didnīt hit as hard as they do today, thatīs why in my opinion she had so much time to run around her backhand. Thatīs why when Monicaīs hardhitting style hit her stride she surpassed Steffi, because Steffi didnīt have time to run around het backhand and had to use that slice more and more. So thatīs why in my opinion Serena is faster because she doesnīt just reach balls. She can reach them and pound them back.

nuriboy
Dec 25th, 2002, 10:19 PM
Irma if weīre talking about 800-metres than I can do u one better than that. Venus went her entire junior career prior to focusing on tennis unbeaten at 400 mtrs......by the way what has the 800 mtrs time to do with fast?! That is more stamina than anything else. On the tennis court you need the speed of a 100 mtrs specialist!

irma
Dec 25th, 2002, 10:28 PM
the 800 is still about being fast and steffi was great on the 400 time too (don't forget this were the eighties, where athletics was the most fake sport after swimming and still steffi almost made the olympics what a queen lol :D ;))

and steffi might have been a great sprinter too since her opponents could never do anything with the holes she created!

nuriboy
Dec 25th, 2002, 10:49 PM
Sheīs your queen, Irma......but be realistic. She hasnīt played anyone with any recemblance of the speed and movement of the Williams. We canīt compare eraīso we will never know the answer. Or rather we know it but some people wonīt accept

GoDominique
Dec 25th, 2002, 10:55 PM
Originally posted by nuriboy
Sheīs your queen, Irma......but be realistic. She hasnīt played anyone with any recemblance of the speed and movement of the Williams. We canīt compare eraīso we will never know the answer. Or rather we know it but some people wonīt accept

nuriboy, why in the world are you talking so much BS ? :rolleyes:

Didn't Steffi play the Williams' quite a few times ? It was pretty even, and they weren't that bad then, and certainly not much slower. :rolleyes:

way
Dec 25th, 2002, 11:23 PM
Ok, Nuriboy, now that's what I call a "talk"!
I still don't agree but this is not our goal here, is it?

Now that a *serious debate* is on, anyway, can I ask you this:
if you think that in tennis you CAN compare eras (differently from other disciplines in which you can't) because "what you have is there" (your words) would you rank Hantuchova greater than Navratilova because she won the only match they played?
If not, why does this (*reading* numbers, not just relying on "what you have" ) not apply to Serena Williams versus the greats of the past?

nuriboy
Dec 25th, 2002, 11:43 PM
I didnīt say anything about numbers way! I said if you look at videos of matches that Steffi played and videos of matches that Serena played you could compare how they moved and who was faster. I think Steffi was fast and the sisters are fast. Whoīs faster?! I donīt know, but from what I read and saw Iīve to think that the sisters have better court coverage/ speed???!!

nuriboy
Dec 25th, 2002, 11:45 PM
Dominique: 2 times she played Serena. The first time Steffi won. But that was at the beginning of Serenaīs first FULL year. She played in ī98, but the AER was in effect for Serena. The second time Serena was improved and beat Steffi in three. Serena wasnīt anywhere the level she is at now, still won!

The thread is about speed.....not head to head dominque.

Aphrodite
Dec 26th, 2002, 12:11 AM
IMO
Amanda Coetzer #1
as well as or close behind:
Serena Williams, Steffi Graf, Vicario, Venus Williams:)

And I have the proof to back it up, here is an article from the beginning of 2000.( A couple of months after Steffi retired:( )
They took a poll in it with the top players and coaches)

article thanks to nemcl:)

*************************************************
We Asked 165 Players and Coaches .... WHO'S THE FITTEST OF THEM ALL ?

Amanda Coetzer and Alex Corretja may not be the game's most physically intimidating players, but they certainly inspire fear in their opponets. How ? By being the most fit.

For their combination of speed, stamina, strength, and resistance to injury, Coetzer and Correjta were voted by their peers as the tours' best conditioned atheletes. They subdue the games' biggest hitters with unsurpassed retrieving skills and Herculean endurance.

"Amanda always gets so many balls back and I always have to work so hard to beat her." says top ranked Martina Hingis."I think I put the ball away and then it comes back. There's always another ball."

Corretja has a similar reputation. "Alex never gets tired," says Australian Open Champion Yevgeny Kafelnikov. "I've never seen him bend over during a match, and he's had some long matches. It's amazing."

Steffi Graf and Patrick Rafter finished second in their respective tours, a salute to their ability to overcome carreer threatening injuries (Graf, knee; Rafter, wrist).

Serena Williams, who placed third among the women, actually voted for herself. "I'm the fittest player on either tour." she says.

1. Amanda Coetzer 96
2. Steffi Graf 37
3. Serena Williams 22
4. Arantxa Sanchez Vicario 8
5. Anna Kournikova 2
1. Alex Correjta 76
2. Patrick Rafter 69
3. Wayne Black 13
4. Pete Sampras 5
5. Gustavo Kuerten 2


AMANDA'S FAVOURITES

Sprints: Warm up by jogging a mile and a half on a track. Next, sprint 10 yards and jog 10 yards. Gradually increase the distance to 20 yards and then 30 yards. (Remember to keep your feet moving, even if it's just a walk.) Start off with 10 minutes of interval sprints, eventually increasing it to 20 minutes. Stretch your calf and thigh muscles before and after sprints.

Medicine-ball throws: Sit on the floor and play catch with a friend standing a couple of feet in front of you. To make the exercise more difficult, throw the ball with your arms fully extended over your head. Do sets of five to eight throws.

************************************************** *

spencercarlos
Dec 26th, 2002, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by nuriboy
I didnīt say anything about numbers way! I said if you look at videos of matches that Steffi played and videos of matches that Serena played you could compare how they moved and who was faster. I think Steffi was fast and the sisters are fast. Whoīs faster?! I donīt know, but from what I read and saw Iīve to think that the sisters have better court coverage/ speed???!!

I wanted to add a fact here. Steffi 99 was not nearly at her top conditions. Phisically was really damaged. Knew surgery in 97 and wrist surgery in 98 is really a factor. You canīt say that Steffi 1998-1999 was at her top fitness level.

Obviosly you never saw Steffi at her top conditions.

nuriboy
Dec 26th, 2002, 01:20 AM
Petosp who was talking about 99 and 97?! From early matches...89 till 93/94.....no injuries that I know of.

Devin2.0
Dec 26th, 2002, 02:11 AM
Graf was timed in the 800 at 1:53 at 17 and I think it was 11.6 in the 100 meters or something to that effect, Irma help me out here. It was under 12 seconds.

irma
Dec 26th, 2002, 06:17 AM
I am not sure about the sprint either. I don't think they wanted her to get gold in everything. lol;)

and nuriboy

steffi had already two footsurgeries before 97! (and that's only 1 thing of the long list)

way
Dec 26th, 2002, 10:11 AM
YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT GRAF'S AMAZING ACHIEVEMENT IN ATHLETICS???
WHICH FANS ARE YOU?
:)
Just kidding, of course, but that was a great story which, coupled to the Olympics of 84 which made me admire her as a player, made me root for her all along her career.
(which is nothing like being a *fan*, though)
:cool:
Ok, then, the stroy.
During the summer of 88, Graf was training for the Olympics in Seul.
During a session, she stopped the watches on a time (don't remember the figure, of course) which, if realized in the *real* competition, would have granted her a place in the FINAL!!!
At the time someone said even the bronze medal, but i never believed this.
And no West German athlete was on the podium either, so that must have been exaggerated because, if that were true, she should have "defeated" all her countrywomen which is too much to believe.
But sure she could really *compete*, as far as I know, with the top level world athletes in another discipline.
This is really incredible and, what's more, something no one these days can claim, to my knowledge.
Only example which springs to my mind is Suzanne Lenglen.

nuriboy
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:22 AM
11.6 on the 100m for Steffi?! Too bad!! Serenaīs time on the 100m as 16 yrs old 11.0 sec!! See ya!! But of course way will tell me that it is chroneometric and bla bla!!

Experimentee
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:28 AM
Serena, then ASV, then Steffi

nuriboy
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:40 AM
And Irma: The time is aproximate...I think itīs even under the 11.00 secs. I heard it on the Oprah show. And at the time that she run it, it would be 2nd or 3rd best for the season on the PRO-tour!!

irma
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:41 AM
then serena rules too;) (oops nothing new)

nuriboy
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:46 AM
No,no......she is the only ruler if weīre talking about speed. Sorry for your beloved Steffi.

irma
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:51 AM
serena would have beaten flo-jo?

ajayares
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by nuriboy
Serenaīs time on the 100m as 16 yrs old 11.0 sec!!

Yeah, 11 seconds flat as a 16 year old, who the hell are you kidding..

Oasiatic
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:52 AM
Serena moves the fastest :)

nuriboy
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:53 AM
Irma,whatīs it?! Youīre the one who said Steffi would win gold and stuff and now that I tell that Serena runned faster you throw in Flo-Jo?!

irma
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:55 AM
I said on the 800 meters. not the 100 meter;)

bucky
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:58 AM
:cool: Steffi without a doubt...the balls hit by williams's are hit that hard the reply shot is never gonna have to test their speed...end of story

nuriboy
Dec 26th, 2002, 12:26 PM
Bucky,bucky......now that is an easy way to end the debate?! What has hitting hard to do with speed?!

selesadmirer
Dec 26th, 2002, 12:35 PM
I recall that steffi is the fastest and quickest on court?

irma
Dec 26th, 2002, 12:36 PM
selesadmirer you are right, monica also said so after aussie open 93

selesadmirer
Dec 26th, 2002, 12:40 PM
Originally posted by irma
selesadmirer you are right, monica also said so after aussie open 93 Thanks,anyway i remember watching steffi at the 90 french final,and she was amazingly quick,and chris evert who was commentating said she was the fastest and could have been running professionally.

way
Dec 26th, 2002, 12:58 PM
Nuriboy:
But of course way will tell me that it is chroneometric and bla bla!!

:)
First of all I'd say it's "chronometric", not "chroneometric".
Secondly I never say "bla bla", I debate.

If you can't keep up, it's not my fault.
Try harder.

For example, here the point was (24 hrs ago):
Speed is NOT a chrono result.
We all agreed
Why repeating "numbers"?
Is Montgomery greater than Lewis or simply faster?
Isn't, so as to say, Lewis faster than them all, even though the chronometric response is different?

Devin2.0
Dec 26th, 2002, 07:59 PM
Nuriboy, it was 11.8 seconds not 11.

nuriboy
Dec 26th, 2002, 08:06 PM
Where do you get 11.8?! It was faster than 11.6 Devin.

Way:
I only said bla bla because I didnīt want to type all the things you said. you keep coming with montgommery and lewis. If someone breaks the record he is faster, isnīt he?! Everybody is saying that so why should say something different?! I broke your record Iīm faster than you.

Devin2.0
Dec 26th, 2002, 08:11 PM
Nuriboy, I just caught you in a lie. I went thru the whole Oprah transcript and there was no mention of 11 seconds or anything about their speed.

I got 11.8 somewhere on this site.

nuriboy
Dec 26th, 2002, 08:32 PM
No,no.....I read somewhere else that Serena 11 secs.....I donīt remember exact number, but faster than 11.6 secs.

Devin2.0
Dec 26th, 2002, 08:37 PM
Puhlease, you said Oprah. Your credibility has just been shot to hell.

nuriboy
Dec 26th, 2002, 08:45 PM
I have to remember exactly where I heard it?! Do u remember everything you hear or read?!

Devin2.0
Dec 26th, 2002, 08:46 PM
When it comes to Graf, yes.

selesadmirer
Dec 26th, 2002, 09:08 PM
graf is like a sprinter on the court.

nuriboy
Dec 26th, 2002, 09:17 PM
Ok dan. I remember hearing/ reading this about Serena but I donīt know where.

Devin2.0
Dec 26th, 2002, 09:26 PM
Seles covered court well, sure she wasn't as fast as say, Graf or Arantxa, but she was second to non in anticipation. Seles anticipated better than anyone imo.

nuriboy
Dec 26th, 2002, 09:37 PM
But right now the sisters have the best court coverage. No ball get past them!!

way
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:42 PM
Ok, Nuriboy, we all got it now.
Thanks for coming.
The one who's right is you, at the end of the day.
"Stupid is who stupid does"
You remember this, don't you?
It doesnt' come from an "educated" reading.
:)
So, yes, you just played your role.
The stupid is me.
:wavey:

o0O0o
Dec 26th, 2002, 11:54 PM
I know someone who is faster than them all, and I think can run with some mens players.

Anastasia Myskina

I would also like to point out that Anna Kournikova can sprint with anyone. Too bad her game gets such little notice.

Serendy Willick
Dec 27th, 2002, 04:22 PM
Serena, Graf, Sanchez-Vicario, Venus, Capriati, Clijsters

raulgimc
Dec 27th, 2002, 06:41 PM
Arantxa, of course...