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Dec 21st, 2002, 07:36 PM
Who is/ are the most unbeatable players of all time?!
My list:
Martina N.

What are your thoughts?

Dec 21st, 2002, 07:39 PM
I guess suzanne lenglen, maybe helen wills moody, maureen connolly

you can say it was a different time but these players lost less matches in their career then the above in one years!

Dec 21st, 2002, 07:40 PM
Court, Margaret Court.

Dec 21st, 2002, 07:55 PM
Seles, Monica Seles
circa 1991/1992.

Dec 21st, 2002, 09:43 PM
Serena Williams is the clear forerunner right now.

Dec 21st, 2002, 09:44 PM
MONICA SELES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dec 21st, 2002, 09:58 PM
Who is/ are the most unbeatable players of all time?!
My list:
Martina N.

What are your thoughts?

My thoughts are:
1. Wrong list
2. Try again


Merry Christmas, Nuriboy.
Ask Santa to bring you a book, this year.
May i suggest Roald Dahl, Tales of the Unexpected?

Dec 21st, 2002, 10:08 PM
Martina Navratilova Circa 84. :p

Lol. MArtina, Steffi and Serena my top 3

Dec 21st, 2002, 10:09 PM
seles without a doubt..she is too good.

Dec 21st, 2002, 10:20 PM
Margaret Court. It's not even close.

auntie janie
Dec 21st, 2002, 10:22 PM
Maureen Connolly.

Dec 21st, 2002, 10:23 PM
hahahahaha Way! Wrong list,eh?! Hahahahaha....you´re funny man!

Merry Christmas to you too Way. Roald Dahl?! Is he good??

Dec 21st, 2002, 10:26 PM
Single Match: Serena

Career: Margaret Court

Career, Open Era only: Navratilova

.895 Navratilova 1271 - 149
.893 Graf 890 - 106
.892 Evert 904 - 109
.835 Seles 594 - 117

Sam L
Dec 21st, 2002, 10:34 PM
Originally posted by nuriboy
Roald Dahl?! Is he good??

You will like his books. I used to love them! :D

Oh and it's HELEN WILLS that's the most unbeatable. Nobody has gone for 5 years without dropping a set :eek:

To those who think Serena Williams, this thread is not "The most unbeatable player of 2002". LOL

Dec 21st, 2002, 10:50 PM
I'm not absolutely sure, but I think L. Dodd has 5 Grand Slam titles, never lost in a Grand Slam and only ever lost 5 times in her career.

Dec 21st, 2002, 11:00 PM
Nuriboy, :)
Yes, Dahl is good to approach reading.
And it teaches how to arrange different perspectives into reality.

Oh, in your list there should be, at least:
Connolly, Lenglen and Wills.
And i won't tell you who should NOT be there, 'cos it's Xmas time!

Dec 21st, 2002, 11:02 PM
Volcana, can i ask you the source of your data?
I've got the same one, but recently in BFTP Brian Stewart posted a different one, with a different (of course) ranking.

Dec 21st, 2002, 11:36 PM
I see Way. I will try and find Dahl in the libraries here in Holland.
So you´re a readers-type of guy?!

p.s. : Don´tell me you mean that ......shouldn´t be on the list?!

Dec 22nd, 2002, 12:33 AM
As per Grand Slam Singles titles, here are the all-time top ten:

Aust Fren Wimb U.S. Total
1 Margaret Smith Court 11 5 3 5 24
2 Steffi Graf 4 6 7 5 22
3 Helen Wills Moody - 4 8 7 19
4 Chris Evert 2 7 3 6 18
5 Martina Navratilova 3 2 9 4 18
6 Billie Jean King 1 1 6 4 12
7 Maureen Connolly 1 2 3 3 9
8 Monica Seles 4 3 0 2 9
9 Suzanne Lenglen - 2 6 0 8
10 Molla Bjurstedt Mallory - - 0 8 8
So, I suppose M. S. Court is it (at least if we consider only Slam titles).

Dec 22nd, 2002, 12:43 AM
Wasn't it virtually impossible to beat Hingis in '97?

Sam L
Dec 22nd, 2002, 12:44 AM
TennisPower, I suppose another way of looking at your list would be to divide the slams won by the number attempted.

So in other words Court = 24/4 = 6 so she won an average of 6 slams at each of the slams.

I wonder who has the most through that way. I mean it's only fair, you can't win something if you never went there! :confused:

Dec 22nd, 2002, 01:02 AM
Caesar's Messenger, Sam L - I like your answers better than mine.

way - itftennis.com. Unfortunately, they're only good for the Open Era.

Dec 22nd, 2002, 01:32 AM
Open era: Navratilova. Longest winning streak in singles and doubles.

Dec 22nd, 2002, 04:32 AM
Well, based on tennis history, Suzanne Lenglan I guess was the most unbeatable player. In fact, had she ever had a match point against her in a tournament?

Dec 22nd, 2002, 04:53 AM
Only know the Open era - but you have to go with Navratilova, Graf a close second. Would like to say Monica pre-stabbing...really really would...but don't think we got to see her long enough before the incident to say that.

Dec 22nd, 2002, 06:13 AM
roald dahl one of my favourite childhoodwriters:D especially the griezels(the twits in english?)
I liked boy and solo too
Is tales of the un expected the book with the story about the death man with the eye and brain?

that story was kind of sick;)

clocker martina lost 5 matches in 97. I don't call that unbeatable! (in comparing with some others)

Dec 22nd, 2002, 10:30 AM
Results dun account for everything...I guess mentally it has to Monica.She's a Champion!!!

Dec 22nd, 2002, 12:38 PM
I'm not sure whihc tale you're talking about, Irma.
Tales of the inexpected is a collection of his "adult" stories, though, not meant for her children as his *parallel* activity is.

EVERYBODY should be the "reading kind".
Aren't you?
The truth is in there (Books, I mean)
Where else?

Back to the topic, i'm not saying you shouldn't put XXXXXX XXXXXXXX on the list, but i say again you should wait for her to achieve a *minimum* amount of greatness.
A non calendar slam in Australia, for instance.
Just one month, c'mon!

Dec 22nd, 2002, 12:38 PM
serena, lindsay :D

Dec 22nd, 2002, 12:53 PM
Volcana, these are the win-loiss stats posted in anothetr thread by Brian Stewart.
I don't know why they are so different.

1439-213 Navratilova
1309-146 Evert
902-115 Graf
839-329 Wade
760-296 Sanchez-Vicario*
695-155 King
695-158 Goolagong
661-240 Martinez*
632-189 Sabatini
623-271 Shriver
618-306 Sukova
606-365 Tauziat
593-56 Court
588-115 Seles*
588-269 Garrison

Court 91.6%
Evert: 89.9%
Graf 88.7%
Navratilova: 87.1%
Seles 83.6%
Hingis 82.6%
Venus W. 81.8%
King 81.7%
Googalong 81.4%
Austin 80.3%

Dec 22nd, 2002, 12:57 PM
OK, after this turns out to be a Roald Dahl thread: ;)

I think the story irma is referring to is called 'William and Mary' or something similar, at least in Germany. I know it from the book 'Küßchen Küßchen' (= 'kiss kiss' in English).

My favourite (children) book is 'Matilda'. :D They made a movie of it but that was pretty bad. :rolleyes:

Dec 22nd, 2002, 12:59 PM
way this was an adult book with short stories and one of them was about a proffesor who was ill and after he died they kept his brain and eye and brought it to life again. in the end his wife visits him and since he was always very strict to her she only did that too teas him(since of course he could on watch with that eye but not react)

Dec 22nd, 2002, 01:03 PM
Kiss Kiss, Richard and Mary, yes, now i see what you mean, yes, great story!

Dec 22nd, 2002, 01:04 PM
Hahahaha Way! You´re funny man. The truth is in the book?! Hahahaha....ok dan! I agree with you, XXXXXX is plenty good.....I´ll wait for the Oz Open just to please you man! If she wins it? What then??!!

Dec 22nd, 2002, 01:06 PM
the witches sucked(well the end)

he should have stayed a happy mouse like in the book;)

auntie janie
Dec 22nd, 2002, 01:15 PM
I like the Roald Dahl story where a woman whacks her husband with a frozen lamb chop after he tells her he is leaving her for another woman. Shocked, she discovers she has killed him.

She then cooks the lambchop & serves it to the police while they ruminate about who could have killed the man, & what could the weapon have been! :eek: :eek: :eek:
The story is called Lamb to the Slaughter.:

Dec 22nd, 2002, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by nuriboy
Who is/ are the most unbeatable players of all time?!
My list:
Martina N.

What are your thoughts?

Venus had 9 or 10 losses this year. Martina had like 1 in 1984. GIGANTIC difference. Serena's longest winning streak is only in the 30s (maybe even less), Martina and Steffi both have streaks above 50. Serena only won 6 tournaments from 2000-2001, wheras Steffi and Martina's domination lasted 5 years. You can't possibly compare Serena to the other two, and to compare Venus is just foolish. She has never had an "unbeatable" year.

1. Suzzanne Lenglen (come on she had one loss in her entire grand slam career:o ! And I am not sure she had any other losses as an amateur)

2. Martina N. Even with a rival, she still practically never lost (clay being an exception) for about 5 years

3. Margaret Court- 11 Aussie Opens, (I believe) two grandslams, this lady must have just loved the grand slams:eek:

4. Steffi Graf- If I had to return her forehand, I would definately be crying. She just kept winning over and over. And her 1988 was just unbelievable.

I am not sure that any other player truly dominated the circut. Although the argument could be made for Hellen Wills, I just don't have any statistics for her total wins/losses.

Dec 22nd, 2002, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by Jakeev
Well, based on tennis history, Suzanne Lenglan I guess was the most unbeatable player. In fact, had she ever had a match point against her in a tournament?

No she never did have a match point to my knowledge. She lost to Molla Mallory in the US Open finals, but she retired from that match.

Dec 22nd, 2002, 01:54 PM
The truth is in the *books*, Nuriboy, not in the *book*.
Beware the man of one only book!
If you started reading, you'd learn how little we all know, how all opinions must be respected and.......you'd laugh a little less.
So............well..........maybe you'd better stay as you are.
Yes, don't read and keep laughing.

Dec 22nd, 2002, 01:57 PM
nuriboy you are a student you are obligated to read :p

my sociology teacher was right afterall: the level on the higher school and university here goes down :p

Dec 22nd, 2002, 02:02 PM
Yeah,yeah Way! I have read many books in my life, man! Plenty, plenty.....right now I have so many school books I don´t know where to put them!! I respect everybody´s opinion. You know me, don´t you?! I´m a respectful person!

Irma: the level going down? You´re a student yourself! How can you say such a thing?!

Dec 22nd, 2002, 02:13 PM
I was just kidding;)

my teacher went for a half hour last week on about how most student don't have hbo and university level and there should be stricter rules to go in;)

it annoyed me a little :o

Dec 22nd, 2002, 02:51 PM
I was kidding, too, Nuri.......to a certain extent.
Not when i refer to your "laughs".
And to your lack of respect for the greatness of the past.

The Present sees in the distance because he is a Dwarf sitting on the shoulders of a Giant, the Past.
(Jonathan Swift)

Dec 22nd, 2002, 03:07 PM
Ok dan!! You´re in a prophetical mood today, eh Way?! First Dahl, now you come with Jonathan Swift. It´s a great thing, though! Keep on reading my friend!!

Dec 22nd, 2002, 03:34 PM
no player is unbeatable :angel:

Dec 22nd, 2002, 04:15 PM

What do you think "prophetical" means, Nuriboy?

Dec 22nd, 2002, 04:31 PM
You know what I mean, Way. Prophetical is like you wanna teach something or something like that. And that´s what you´re doing: read this and read that

Dec 22nd, 2002, 10:09 PM
No, prophetical is not that.
But, yes, Nuriboy, you've got a point here.
I've been patronizing and this is quite silly.
I insist on the content but I apologize for the form.

Dec 22nd, 2002, 10:11 PM
Ok dan!! I had no problems with the form either.......

What is prophetical then?!

Dec 22nd, 2002, 10:31 PM

Dec 25th, 2002, 01:43 AM
Hahhahaa......I don´t know Way! For sure!!!

Dec 25th, 2002, 09:31 AM
So why did you use it, then?

(stop that laughter, mate, people who aren't close friends as me would take you for a fool)

Dec 25th, 2002, 09:41 AM
Court won 11 slams in Australia. Few people know it, but i heard that by that time people had a hard time trying to get to Australia, and the field in those events was very poor.

That`s why you can see she won 11 in Australia and could not make it more than 5 in the other two. Even at Wimbledon (which was same surface as Australia) she got to only 3.

Dec 25th, 2002, 10:31 AM
Really,way?! Laughter is foolish?! Didn´t know about that, but o.k.! No problemo.....but sometimes people say somethings that makes you laugh.