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Monique
Dec 20th, 2002, 03:31 AM
INTERNATIONAL designers have reached for the skies in a dramatic show of defiance to the terrorists who destroyed the World Trade Centre after the first attempts at a plan for rebuilding ground zero were condemned as dull and unworthy.

Four of the nine proposals to replace the Twin Towers include skyscrapers that would win back New York's status as the city of the world's tallest building, replacing Malaysia's 452m-high Petronas Towers.

All proposals make room for a memorial – which former New York mayor Rudy Giuliani says must be "soaring" – to the 2800 people killed in the attacks on September 11 last year.

The 6.5ha site has been the subject of heated debate since the focus switched from recovering victims' remains to how to rebuild the devastated area.

Teams of architects, drawn from Berlin, London, Amsterdam, Tokyo, New York and Los Angeles, had more room to move than the first designers, whose plans were released in July, because officials dropped a stipulation that 1.02 million square metres of the building be devoted to office space.

The development corporation, which is overseeing the rebuilding, and the landowner, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, will make a decision on the plans by January 31 after public consultations. An international contest for the memorial will be held later next year.

Foster and Partners - 538m (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/extras/images/foster.jpg)

United Architects - 494m (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/extras/images/united.jpg)

Richard Meier and Partners - 339m (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/extras/images/Meier.jpg)

Skidmore, Owens and Merrill - 305m (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/extras/images/SOM.jpg)

Think - 640m (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/extras/images/Think.jpg)

Studio Daniel Libeskind - 541m (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/extras/images/libeskind.jpg)

Scotso
Dec 20th, 2002, 03:42 AM
I like the Think one

disposablehero
Dec 20th, 2002, 04:37 AM
I think they are all brutal. Do they figure the best way to honour their dead is to build something that looks as Martian as possible?

Josh
Dec 20th, 2002, 09:26 AM
Think is the best one, tall but very light. The others are way too ponderous.

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 09:41 AM
I agree: Think is... well, graceful. But I also like Gridlock a lot.

Monique - why didn't you include this one: Peterson/Littenberg - 427 m (http://www.theaustralian.com.au/extras/images/peterson.jpg) ???

2ace2
Dec 20th, 2002, 10:53 AM
I like united architects

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2002, 11:20 AM
My favourite is Foster's design. Those are impressive, elegant towers.

I still haven't figured out what exactly the Think design looks like. Where is the office space? On other pics I've seen of the design, there are two office towers as well but you can't see them on this one pic.

Libeskind's design's quite nice as well.

I absolutely hate the Peterson/Littenberg design, Meier's design is pretty awful as well, IMO.

per4ever
Dec 20th, 2002, 11:22 AM
Think looks nice...but a bit too weird imo

I would prefer Libeskind's design :)

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Dec 20th, 2002, 11:24 AM
i like the Think one too. the richard meier bulding was :eek: weird.

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2002, 11:24 AM
More images:

Libeskind:

http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0212/wtc.site.rebuild/gal.concept.1.3.jpg
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0212/wtc.site.rebuild/gal.concept.1.2.jpg

Think Team: Who can figure this out? Where are these towers on the other drawing?
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0212/wtc.site.rebuild/gal.concept.4.2.jpg
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0212/wtc.site.rebuild/gal.concept.4.3.jpg

United Architects
http://i.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/us/0212/wtc.site.rebuild/gal.concept.5.3.jpg

King Lindsay
Dec 20th, 2002, 11:25 AM
Think is no good. That looks incredibly weird.

since they're determined to build new towers, they might as well make them the world's tallest buildings.

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Dec 20th, 2002, 11:26 AM
the united architects pic tine posted was cool from that angle.

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 11:40 AM
Ok - at this address Think slideshow (10 pics) (http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-thinkgallery.photogallery) you'll find more views of the Think design. The last pic (10/10) gives an impression of the whole concept. :)

Big Fat Pink Elephant
Dec 20th, 2002, 11:43 AM
thanks lynx :D

any ideas how much the budget is on?

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 11:44 AM
This is the Think concept ( the10th pic): http://www.newsday.com/media/photo/2002-12/5913157.jpg

caramel
Dec 20th, 2002, 11:44 AM
I like Foster´s design best... :bounce:

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 11:46 AM
You're welcome Marri Stinger. :)
Budget.... brrr. Enough to feed the world for a few decennia?

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2002, 12:10 PM
Ah, now I get it. Think has three different designs!

I still like Foster's design best;)

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 12:42 PM
Tine - it seems you're winning. Average taste, I guess... :rolleyes:
"There was no breakaway favorite in several online polls yesterday, including a Daily News survey of about 3,000 readers. The News poll showed a plan by British designer Norman Foster leading with 22%, and two other teams - Think and Meier, Eisenman, Gwathmey & Holl - tied at 14%."

(You can find the whole article here (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/story/45080p-42401c.html))

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 12:50 PM
Ok - I found a slide show for the Foster design too: Foster slide show (14 pics) (http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-fostergallery.photogallery)

(I know: I'm posting a lot, here - but I'm fond of architecture.) :)

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2002, 12:52 PM
Lynx, I happen to have a MSc degree in Architectural Engineering.

The Think design looks like an attempt to create two Eiffel towers. I rather like the way it looks (don't like the funny shapes inside though, you'll get sick of them in no time, it's not timeless enough), but if you want to build an empty structure with no real use apart from being monumental, I'd rather see a more impressive structure, one that is toying with the engineering possibilities of today. The Eiffel tower is a brilliant piece of engineering and that was built long ago. They should have been more daring with the structure, this is the 21st century!
This structure reminds me of the structure on top op gas tanks. The structure is there to allow the tanks to expand. Maybe that would have been a neat idea, to have two towers that could literally grow and shrink again, two moving towers ;)

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:02 PM
Wow Beguine, I'm impressed. Truly.

Well, you know what you're talking about and I don't - but what I like so much about the Think thing is the idea of two gardens (I Think threy're gardens - high up in the sky... :D :drool:

And I don't see what makes the Foster design so innovative? :p

aka Mark.

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:11 PM
And here is a Gridlock slideshow: Gridlock design from Meier (12 pics) (http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-meiergallery,0,196965.photogallery) :D

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:12 PM
I like the idea of the gardens too. I just feel the towers can be made to look more elegant, give it a slightly parabolic shape for example, integrate the shapes properly instead of just randomly dumping shapes in the middle, work a bit with scale e.g. change the distance between the bars, it could make the towers look taller than they really are. These towers are supposes to be taller than those in the Foster design, yet the Foster towers look taller.
What I also like in the Foster design is that the two towers are linked, are sort of embracing eachother, not just standing next to eachother with a bridge in between.

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:15 PM
I hate the Meier design. One of my collegues likes it, I think it's the most unelegant design of them all. I visited Meier's offices in NY one day (alumni works there and allowed us in), Meier has produced some impressive designs, this is not one of them.

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:26 PM
Hm, have to agree about Meier - now that I've seen the slides, I'm a bit disappointed. More than a bit. Ok, Meier's off my list.

:( damn, you're beginning to influence me, I already don't like the design of Think as much as I did first on... ;)

The Foster design isn't still working for me either, though... :confused:

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:31 PM
Ah, but the real eventual design never looks the same as the original design that won the competition. Once they truly start thinking about how they're going to build the thing, it'll start changing shape immensly. You should see the design that won the competition for the Sydney opera house, it's much flatter, much lighter than what was eventually built (and cost about three times as much).

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:35 PM
This is the design that won the competition. It soon became clear that it couldn't be constructed that way, it would never stand.
The idea was for it to look like sails.

http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/Research/Student/SydneyOperaHouse/4final.jpg
http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/Research/Student/SydneyOperaHouse/5final.jpg

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:37 PM
So you're saying we're looking at so much hot air? Tsskk. :sad:

Slideshow for Libeskind: Libeskind slides (14 pics) (http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-libeskindgallery,0,4899590.photogallery)

These slides didn't impress me at all. :(

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:39 PM
Oooh, wow - I see what you mean.
Never saw the designs before... thanks. :)

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:41 PM
so that you can compare
http://www.godoy.no/engelsk/Australia/sydney%20opera%20house.jpg

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:42 PM
Thanks. Yeah, seen that before...

Lynx
Dec 20th, 2002, 02:01 PM
So here I was, searching for all those slideshows one by one... while all the time I could have provided this one link, where you can see all the slideshows and much, much more... sheesh. (I can't remember who's saying "sheesh" all the time, but it sounds kinda cool.)

Ok, sorry folks. (But in the mean time I've gained a lot of posts, hehe...) :D

This is the link to all other links: Link to all the slideshows and much more... (http://www.newsday.com/)

Enjoy. :)

Josh
Dec 20th, 2002, 05:22 PM
Think is still my favourite.

There's really nothing innovative about Fosters, it reminds me too much of the Bank of China in Hong Kong.

Josh
Dec 20th, 2002, 05:24 PM
Meier is plain ugly and takes far too much space.
United arch. is too ponderous.
Skidmore is a definite no. :rolleyes:
Libeskind is not really special.

Barrie_Dude
Dec 20th, 2002, 05:27 PM
Originally posted by Beggin' Beguine
This is the design that won the competition. It soon became clear that it couldn't be constructed that way, it would never stand.
The idea was for it to look like sails.

http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/Research/Student/SydneyOperaHouse/4final.jpg
http://www.fbe.unsw.edu.au/Research/Student/SydneyOperaHouse/5final.jpg

Uhmmmm...can someone say "Sydney Opera House"?

griffin
Dec 20th, 2002, 07:38 PM
Yes, Barrie, Tine did (read her post above) ;)

I like the Foster design best so far, but it's hard to tell in a quick look how they'd mesh with the surrounding neighborhoods. Which is not to say the style needs to mimic what's around it, but I hate it when buildings/complexes are just dumped in a space with no regard for the flow of human life around it - the original towers, for example, basically cut lower Manhattan off from the rest of the city. City Hall Plaza here in Boston did the same thing.

gentenaire
Dec 20th, 2002, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by Josh
There's really nothing innovative about Fosters, it reminds me too much of the Bank of China in Hong Kong.

http://www.asianinfo.org/asianinfo/china/pictures/bank%20of%20china-hong%20kong.jpg

I don't see the similarities.

ASV
Dec 20th, 2002, 11:04 PM
i think they are all quite ugly.

they should rebuild the twin towers, with precautions, and have the names of the dead inscribed on the walls. it should be an open space, except for stairs for people to etch the names of the remembered...like the Vietnam Memorial, with a museum somewhere centrally located.

Sam L
Dec 21st, 2002, 12:24 AM
It think it should be turned into a park.

wuneyej
Dec 21st, 2002, 12:56 AM
I know next to nothing about architectural design, but IMO these designs are all hideous. They have to think about how the new structures will blend into the existing skyline. Sure, you want them to stand out, but come on.

Yeah, I'm for rebuilding the towers to make them look as they did. Not to suggest what happened never did, or to give a big F**K YOU to the terrorist...that's not what I'm saying. I just think it makes the loudest statement of all; that America and Western Culture in general are here to stay. Not arrogantly proud, but proud in a purely righteous sense. Just my opinion.

Josh
Feb 5th, 2003, 12:13 PM
So it looks like it will be either Think :bounce: or Libeskind.

decemberlove
Feb 5th, 2003, 12:53 PM
... fucking disgusting. what the hell are they thinking?

the think design is far too tall and will have severe problems with the nasty weather NYC is constantly subject to.
the other just doesn't look right.

like wuneye said, none of these designs fit the current skyline. they should bring back the old WTC buildings... with memorials of course... a few alterations obviously as technology has advanced.

A LOT of people are against these designs. even if they refuse to build the old towers... they can atleast wait for some better designs. no need to rush considering they won't start construction for another 10-12 years.

i think little kids could've come up with better designs.

King Aaron
Feb 5th, 2003, 01:35 PM
I think the Think one is very unique

Foster and Partners looks so......:eek:

Too bad they're gonna replace our very own Petronas Twin Towers as the world's tallest building

YSL
Feb 5th, 2003, 02:21 PM
They are all quite horrid.. Has anyone got a pic of the Gaudi design that was rumoured to be offered at one point? I remember reading a story of how Gaudi designed a building for NYC - but it was never built. And that this was the perfect opportunity for it to be built.

2ace2
Feb 5th, 2003, 02:26 PM
I still prefer the United Architects one :D