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Volcana
Dec 20th, 2002, 02:25 AM
Based on current form, and how they played Down Under last year.

01 Clijsters
02 Capriati

03 Serena
04 Venus

05 JH2
06 Seles
07 Stevenson
08 Schnyder

09 Pistolesi
10 Maleeva
11 Farina Elia
12 Hantuchova

13 Dementieva
14 Davenport
15 Myskina
16 Rubin

What I did was, I took their results Down Under
last year, and balanced them with the players
last three tournaments. To an extent, I
account for both current form, and surface.

The method offers no forgiveness for injury.
Serena, Lindsay and Chanda suffer.
There a subjective correction factor.
On pure points, the list looks like this


Asia 2002 Last three tours

01 Kim -- Gold Coast QF Zurich
SF Sydney CH Luxembourg
SF OZ CH L.A.
-- TPP

02 Jenn -- Gold Coast 16 Zurich
16 Sydney QF Linz
CH OZ SF L.A.
-- TPP

03 Serena -- Gold Coast CH Tokyo
SF Sydney CH Leipzig
-- OZ FR L.A.
-- TPP

Pretty high up for a player with
only 3 matches Down Under last year!

04 Venus CH Gold Coast FR US Open
-- Sydney 16 Moscow
QF OZ SF L.A.
-- TPP

Fall results were sub-par.

05 Justine FR Gold Coast SF Zurich
QF Sydney CH Linz
QF OZ QF L.A.
-- TPP

06 Monica -- Gold Coast QF US Open
-- Sydney SF Bahia
SF OZ QF L.A.
FR TPP

07 Stevenson 32 Gold Coast QF Stuttgart
QF Sydney 16 Zurich
r1 OZ FR Linz
QF TPP


08 Schnyder 16 Gold Coast 32 Stuttgart
QF Canberra CH Zurich
r1 OZ 16 L.A.
-- TPP

This far down the lists, winning
a Tier I carries a lot of weight.

09 Pistolesi CH Aukland 16 Zurich
CH Canberra QF Linz
r1 OZ 16 L.A.
-- TPP

Aukland and Canberra are small, but
they're in the right hemisphrere.

10 Maggie -- Gold Coast 32 Zurich
32 Sydney FR Luxembourg
16 OZ QF Stuttgart
16 TPP

11 Farina Elia QF Gold Coast 32 Zurich
16 Sydney QF Linz
32 OZ 16 L.A.
SF TPP

12 Daniela 16 Gold Coast QF Zurich
16 Sydney SF Linz
32 OZ 16 L.A.
-- TPP

13 Dementieva -- Gold Coast 16 Zurich
32 Sydney 16 Linz
16 OZ 16 L.A.
16 TPP

14 Davenport -- Gold Coast QF Stuttgart
-- Sydney FR Zurich
-- OZ 16 L.A.
-- TPP

15 Myskina 16 Gold Coast 16 Zurich
32 Sydney 16 Linz
64 OZ 16 L.A.
-- TPP

16 Rubin -- Gold Coast 32 Zurich
-- Sydney SF Linz
-- OZ 16 L.A.
-- TPP


If you're wondering how Stevenson got so high up, take a look

Jan Last 3
2002 2003
---- ----
1541 Kim 306 1235
1501 Venus 472 1029
1350 Jenn 1009 341
1252 Monica 709 543
1178 Serena 139 1039
1090 JH2 456 594
903 Stevenson 292 611

512 Schnyder 52 462
476 Hantuchova 186 290
464 Pistolesi 237 227
348 Dementieva 187 161
239 Myskina 78 161

~|Naomi|~
Dec 20th, 2002, 05:02 AM
I wish this how they seeded it:p

gorecki
Dec 20th, 2002, 05:16 AM
Pistolesi = Smashnova? :confused:

Buitenzorg
Dec 20th, 2002, 05:29 AM
:eek:

aussiefan83
Dec 20th, 2002, 05:34 AM
interesting method of calculating it. but i hate the word SHOULD.

IMO i cant see anyway serena doesnt deserve to be top seed. even though i understand your way of doing it.

Becool
Dec 20th, 2002, 05:51 AM
Interesting.

per4ever
Dec 20th, 2002, 06:46 AM
Originally posted by gorecki
Pistolesi = Smashnova? :confused:

yes she changed her name to her husbands name :)

jrm
Dec 20th, 2002, 09:16 AM
serena behind jennifer (i know she didn't play at AO)

myskina behind dementieva

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 20th, 2002, 09:40 AM
LOL@Stevenson above Dementieva if you're going by last years events

Bigkimfan
Dec 20th, 2002, 10:03 AM
Come on Kim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:bounce: :bounce:

nuriboy
Dec 20th, 2002, 10:13 AM
I canīt agree with this seeding system. You cannot put a player who didnīt advance past the 4th round of the last 3 GSīs she played ahead of the player that won the last 3!! Iīm telling you rihgt now Serena is the no.1 at any slam until someone beats her! No matter what surface or what happened in the past!!

The Crow
Dec 20th, 2002, 10:56 AM
Current form is not that important if there's an off-season in between.

Experimentee
Dec 20th, 2002, 10:57 AM
This seeding is not how they should be, but how they did last year, which is never any indication of how they'll do this year anyway. Clijsters and Capriati above the Williams sisters? Smashnova #8 and Stevenson #12? This is too funny

-Sonic-
Dec 20th, 2002, 12:33 PM
aww i'd love to see schnyder up at 7 & pistolesi at 8....

nuriboy
Dec 20th, 2002, 12:40 PM
I have to agree with Crow and Experiment. Remember after Capriati won AUz Open everybody said she was the best on tour? I donīt either!! A new year is: new ball game, new chances. Do you really think that if the Championship had GS-status Kimmie would have won?! Donīt think so!! Serena didnīt play for like 2 months, didnīt practice and see how close she came of winning. donīt you think that knowing she can complete her Serena slam, she will let anybody beat her?! Nonononononono!!!

Volcana
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:01 PM
TheBoiledEgg - There's Dementieva and Stevenson. Dementieva did better Down Under last year, bot Stevenson did better at the end of the year. I thought the explanation of the ranking was pretty explicit, so I'm not bothering to write it again. It's subject of course, but I thought ALex had more of an edge the end of the year than Elena did at the beginning. Dementieva did better at OZ, but worse at Sydney. At year end, all Alex's results were as good or better than Elena's.


12 Stevenson 32 Gold Coast QF Stuttgart
QF Sydney 16 Zurich
r1 OZ FR Linz
QF TPP

13 Dementieva -- Gold Coast 16 Zurich
32 Sydney 16 Linz
16 OZ 16 L.A.
16 TPP

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:04 PM
Stevenson lost in qualies in Tokyo

anyway the rankings are the thing that counts and lets just stick by them no matter how they are.
Or every tourn would end up like Wimbledon and their ridiculous seeding committee :rolleyes:

Volcana
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:09 PM
The Crow - "...Current form is not that important if there's an off-season in between."

We disagree. I think how Kim Clijster played at the end of the year is a pretty good indication of how she'll play at the beginning of next year. What's a better indication of how Hantuchova will play next year. Current form, or how she did in Australia last year?

Experimentee - "...This seeding is not how they should be, but how they did last year..."

Oh really? Then why is Serena #3? If you're going to willfully ignore the initial post in the thread, why bother to respond? For that matter, if it was how they did last year, why not have Jenn #1?

The Crow
Dec 20th, 2002, 01:40 PM
Volcana, you give a particular player (Hantuchova) who improved a lot since january last year. So in her case it's about right, but the seeding as it is officially done, is way better than yours imo. And the off-season is important. You can't predict how people will do in Australia by looking at their year end form, because there's a fair chance their lost their form (opposed to others who could have gained better form).

And btw all rankings that do not result into Serena as the first seed is ridiculous, really.

BK4ever
Dec 20th, 2002, 02:31 PM
Didnt Alex come thru qualies and make it all the way to the QF's in Tokyo...going to look it up??????????????????

TheBoiledEgg
Dec 20th, 2002, 02:33 PM
Yes she did make QF ......
i presumed she lost in qualies as Volcana had a -- next to her name, i knew she was in qualies as i remember her beating Abigail Spears :(

Volcana
Dec 20th, 2002, 02:45 PM
BK4ever - Corrections made. Thanx. Strengthens my ranking for Stevenson. Maybe I still have her too low.:)

Mercury Rising
Dec 20th, 2002, 03:25 PM
Pistolesi *shudders*
I already thought who's that girl?

And, Buitenzorg, who were you?

Volcana
Dec 21st, 2002, 12:44 AM
I'm going to calculate the actual points in a few of these cases, see what that shows.

From the bottom, it's kind of interesting



Jan Last 3
2002 2003
---- ----
1541 Kim 306 1235
1501 Venus 472 1029
1350 Jenn 1009 341
1178 Serena 139 1039
1090 JH2 456 594
Monica

Stevenson 292 611
Dementieva 187 161

Volcana
Dec 21st, 2002, 01:01 AM
I'm going to calculate the actual points in a few of these cases, see what that shows.

From the bottom, it's kind of interesting


Jan Last 3
2002 2003
---- ----
1541 Kim 306 1235
1501 Venus 472 1029
1350 Jenn 1009 341
1252 Monica 709 543
1178 Serena 139 1039
1090 JH2 456 594
903 Stevenson 292 611

512 Schnyder 52 462
476 Hantuchova 186 290
464 Pistolesi 237 227
348 Dementieva 187 161
239 Myskina 78 161