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Flavia P.
Dec 2nd, 2012, 01:15 AM
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http://www.kpho.com/story/20224198/principal-forces-high-school-boys-to-hold-hands-as-punishment-for-fight

The idea of public humiliation as an appropriate punishment is certainly a controversial topic.
A couple of Westwood High School Warriors were humbled after a fight, and pictures of the high school boys holding hands as punishment and covering their heads are all over Facebook.

One of those young men is 14-year-old Charles Crockett, who admitted to ditching classes at the Mesa school Thursday because he said everyone was still teasing him about it.

He said the ordeal started in P.E. class Wednesday.

"I told him to hit me and he hit me and we all started fighting," Charles said.

The freshman said he and a sophomore named Julio were sent to Principal Tim Richard's office, where he gave the boys a clear choice.

"The principal told us options and so we picked holding hands instead of getting suspended," Crockett said.

The two locked palms for about an hour in the middle of campus during lunch while the entire student body witnessed their humiliation.

"I thought it was, like, really funny because you never see that nowadays. They're just sitting there. They're both, like, so ashamed and their heads down," freshman Stella Nunez said.

"They was making fun of me and everything and I just wanted to yell at them but I couldn't. I just put my head down," Crockett said.

The choice to hold hands was painful, he said.

"Kids were laughing at them and calling them names asking, 'Are you gay?'" student Brittney Smyers told ABC 15.

"They did get laughed at. And that's a hard thing for a kid to be laughed at," said parent Terri Egger.

But for Crockett at least, the alternative was worse.

"Because I'm on a contract with the principal and if I fight again I have to switch schools," Crockett said.

The situation has pushed Westwood's first-year principal into the spotlight.

"I think he's great," Egger said.

CBS 5 News found a sign in a front yard near the high school which reads, "Westwood neighborhood supports Principal Richard."

The neighborhood might support the principal's tactic, but the school district does not.

Mesa Public Schools released a statement which reads in part:

"The district does not condone the choice of in-school discipline given these students, regardless of their acceptance or willingness to participate. District leadership will address this matter with the school principal, and review district protocol regarding student discipline with all administrators."

Nevertheless, the lesson taught at Westwood on Wednesday was not lost.

CBS 5 News asked Crockett what he learned from the whole incident. "Don't fight in school," he said.

Flavia P.
Dec 2nd, 2012, 01:18 AM
You see the story and the poll, people. What do you think? Personally, I think it's completely and utterly disgusting and I and thousands of others are seeing to it that Tim Richards is fired. But what do you all think? A lot of people seem to be completely blind to the clear homophobia at play so I want to see if a forum with tons of gay men and straight girls who love us, will get it.

GOATdin0931
Dec 2nd, 2012, 01:28 AM
:tape:

Helen Lawson
Dec 2nd, 2012, 02:26 AM
I don't think it is. If the boys are straight, then this is humiliating and is a form a punishment. I don't think it's sending the message to them or others that being gay is bad. Holding hands with another guy when you're straight is bad when you're forced to do it, and he did something to merit that.

dybbuk
Dec 2nd, 2012, 02:33 AM
I don't think it is. If the boys are straight, then this is humiliating and is a form a punishment. I don't think it's sending the message to them or others that being gay is bad. Holding hands with another guy when you're straight is bad when you're forced to do it, and he did something to merit that.

Isn't that whole thinking, that it's something humiliating, part of the problem though? A gay boy wouldn't be humiliated by having to hold a girl's hand, and a girl wouldn't be humiliated by having to hold a girl's hand. Yet society thinks it's normal for a straight boy to be humiliated by something like this. The entire idea being perpetuated is homophobic, and doing this reinforces it.

Dominic
Dec 2nd, 2012, 02:36 AM
Wow , I can't believe a principal would do that :help:

debopero
Dec 2nd, 2012, 02:38 AM
Isn't that whole thinking, that it's something humiliating, part of the problem though? A gay boy wouldn't be humiliated by having to hold a girl's hand, and a girl wouldn't be humiliated by having to hold a girl's hand. Yet society thinks it's normal for a straight boy to be humiliated by something like this. The entire idea being perpetuated is homophobic, and doing this reinforces it.

I agree.

If the idea behind holding hands had to do with "bringing them together" or something to that effect, it would be a different story. Clearly that was not the case.

Helen Lawson
Dec 2nd, 2012, 02:40 AM
Isn't that whole thinking, that it's something humiliating, part of the problem though? A gay boy wouldn't be humiliated by having to hold a girl's hand, and a girl wouldn't be humiliated by having to hold a girl's hand. Yet society thinks it's normal for a straight boy to be humiliated by something like this. The entire idea being perpetuated is homophobic, and doing this reinforces it.

Straight boys don't hold hands. Even the most gay-friendly straight guys I know don't hold hands. I don't think it's homophobia.

If you're against a humiliating punishment, then that's the issue, but I don't think it's homophobic.

debopero
Dec 2nd, 2012, 02:42 AM
Straight boys don't hold hands. Even the most gay-friendly straight guys I know don't hold hands. I don't think it's homophobia.

If you're against a humiliating punishment, then that's the issue, but I don't think it's homophobic.

Actually, many straight male friends I have a very touchy with other young men they are close with. Maybe it is just something within my age group :shrug:. Plus, I think you need to consider why two men holding hands is considered to be bad in the first place if you want to evaluate whether the punishment is homophobic in nature.

Nicolás89
Dec 2nd, 2012, 02:49 AM
They did to me all the time when I was a child, sometimes they would make us hug, hold hands, things like that. :lol:

Helen Lawson
Dec 2nd, 2012, 02:50 AM
I don't think anyone thinks it's bad, but it's not what straight guys do. Having two girls who don't know each other hold hands can be just as bad. I just don't see it.

Flavia P.
Dec 2nd, 2012, 03:36 AM
Schools should not be in the business of promoting an idea that being gay is socially undesirable, weird, embarrassing and humiliating. Schools should not be promoting homophobia. This is promoting and reinforcing homophobia for that reason. And yes, these kids do think being gay is bad, hence they were making fun of these two guys holding hands with gay slurs. Hence, the two boys holding hands feel publicly shamed. All of these kids think same-sex affection is worthy of derision, and the principal put the seal of approval on that mentality.

Flavia P.
Dec 2nd, 2012, 03:40 AM
It's also selfish and a decision clearly not thinking about the non-heterosexual teens at that school. Two boys who are GAY may hold hands at that school. What happens then? We already see what kids think about two boys holding hands. I mean, the fact that two people of the same-sex is presented as a PUNISHMENT is homophobic in itself.

dybbuk
Dec 2nd, 2012, 04:02 AM
I don't think anyone thinks it's bad, but it's not what straight guys do. Having two girls who don't know each other hold hands can be just as bad. I just don't see it.

If they were forced to hold hands with some random girl they possibly don't like, yes, they wouldn't like it simply because they don't like being forced to touch strangers/someone they dislike. It would not be because they are embarrassed or humiliated by holding hands with a girl. The punishment in this case is being used because society thinks boys holding hands is embarrassing because of course to a straight boy being thought of as gay is undesirable. The difference between the two situations is obvious, and the problem with the latter is obvious as well.

Helen Lawson
Dec 2nd, 2012, 01:07 PM
I think it's socially undesirable if they are straight, not gay. I just don't think it's that big a deal.

moby
Dec 2nd, 2012, 07:08 PM
I think it's socially undesirable if they are straight, not gay. I just don't think it's that big a deal.
And why is it socially undesirable?

It's not socially undesirable in many other cultures.

Morning Morgan
Dec 2nd, 2012, 07:20 PM
^^

Like India.

ampers&
Dec 2nd, 2012, 07:22 PM
Homophobic? Stop reaching gays. :lol:

Sammo
Dec 2nd, 2012, 07:31 PM
It would have been hilarious if he had forced them to kiss each other with tongue



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I gotta take a break from studying... :facepalm:

Elwin.
Dec 2nd, 2012, 08:27 PM
Shit punishment.
This can't be good for the pedagogical climate. Boys are gonna get bullied

wayitis
Dec 2nd, 2012, 09:29 PM
Schools should not be in the business of promoting an idea that being gay is socially undesirable, weird, embarrassing and humiliating. Schools should not be promoting homophobia. This is promoting and reinforcing homophobia for that reason. And yes, these kids do think being gay is bad, hence they were making fun of these two guys holding hands with gay slurs. Hence, the two boys holding hands feel publicly shamed. All of these kids think same-sex affection is worthy of derision, and the principal put the seal of approval on that mentality.

and that's where the principal fell short, IMO... He should also have made clear to all the others that tainting and bullying are not acceptable, and really lost an opportunity here to show the school that those acts can carry consequences... as it is, he punished the 2 involved in a fight but did nothing to teach about homophobic slurs ....

Harry.
Dec 2nd, 2012, 09:29 PM
Wow. Disgusting.

If they were forced to hold hands with some random girl they possibly don't like, yes, they wouldn't like it simply because they don't like being forced to touch strangers/someone they dislike. It would not be because they are embarrassed or humiliated by holding hands with a girl. The punishment in this case is being used because society thinks boys holding hands is embarrassing because of course to a straight boy being thought of as gay is undesirable. The difference between the two situations is obvious, and the problem with the latter is obvious as well.

I totally agree with this.

edificio
Dec 2nd, 2012, 10:01 PM
I don't like using public humiliation as a punishment. They should have had to do some training together as a positive lesson.

Helen Lawson
Dec 3rd, 2012, 10:26 PM
And why is it socially undesirable?

It's not socially undesirable in many other cultures.

Teens have enough hang-ups about sex as it is, making them do something unnatural to them I think is socially undesirable.

Super Dave
Dec 4th, 2012, 01:53 PM
I would've just suspended them for fighting...