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Pureracket
Dec 1st, 2012, 11:36 AM
http://www.tennischannel.com/goat/71.aspx

#14

The American has won more Australian Open titles than any other woman in the Open era. McEnroe, #13, never won the French or the Australian. Borg, #7, never won the US Open. Obviously, the Slams are not the only tournaments, but they have to be weighted more heavily than the other tournaments. Also, it's absolute BS that Serena ranks #14 and Agassi is #12. Their careers are mimetic of each other's; Serena's is simply much, much better.

hingis-seles
Dec 1st, 2012, 11:41 AM
Wasn't this list made when Serena had 13 Slams?

This list was always a joke, though - Venus over Lenglen? Henin over Connolly? Hingis over Goolagong? :haha:

Sam L
Dec 1st, 2012, 11:45 AM
This list was always a joke anyway.

NashaMasha
Dec 1st, 2012, 01:29 PM
this list was completed in March before RG 2012 , so both Masha and Serena will be ranked higher if this list is renewed

Pureracket
Dec 1st, 2012, 01:37 PM
Wasn't this list made when Serena had 13 Slams?Yes, you're right, but even with 13, that list is crazy to have ranked her that low. Chris Evert should also be ranked above Bjorn.

miffedmax
Dec 1st, 2012, 03:49 PM
There's no man with 24 victories. In general, the men don't rack up slams and wins the way women do, so yes, it's possible that given their accomplishments you could rank a man with fewer slams ahead of a woman with more, given where he ranks vs. his "peers" than where she ranks vs. hers.

Federer is frequently referred to as the best player of all time (I still consider this silly, but we will set that aside for now) but he has fewer slams than a number of women players.

I mean if you were going to be realistic, all the "best" players would be men.

Sammo
Dec 1st, 2012, 03:50 PM
It's about as ridiculous as saying she's the best ever

Helen Lawson
Dec 1st, 2012, 03:59 PM
The rag is a joke, and so are these rankings.

DemWilliamsGulls
Dec 1st, 2012, 04:03 PM
Serena will always be the greatest player of all time to me...I could give a rats ass of what the Tennis channel says lol.

DemWilliamsGulls
Dec 1st, 2012, 04:04 PM
It's about as ridiculous as saying she's the best ever

If the shoe fits...wear it....SHE IS ;) :worship:

Raiden
Dec 1st, 2012, 04:54 PM
It's about as ridiculous as saying she's the best everEven more ridiculous is the mixing of WTA & ATP
(for example Novak Djokovic is right behind Althea Gibson :rolls:

I'm aware that they have some cooked up reason to do this but it makes no sense anyway - which is why it's never done outside tennis.

effedcamel
Dec 1st, 2012, 05:09 PM
Even more ridiculous is the mixing of WTA & ATP
(for example Novak Djokovic is right behind Althea Gibson :rolls:

I'm aware that they have some cooked up reason to do this but it makes no sense anyway - which is why it's never done outside tennis.

It's done for most individual sports I'd imagine - hard to call individuals GOAT in team sports unless they're really really standout (the Jordans and Bradys of the world).

Raiden
Dec 1st, 2012, 05:40 PM
It's done for most individual sports I'd imagine - hard to call individuals GOAT in team sports unless they're really really standout (the Jordans and Bradys of the world).No, it has nothing to do with whether it's team sports or not. It's not done cuz it's batshit nuts.

Annika Sorenstam is never put in the mix between Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player and what not.

Helen Lawson
Dec 1st, 2012, 05:49 PM
The only person I'd consider putting ahead of Serena with a lesser slam count is Suzanne Lenglen. When she was in the low teens, maybe Monica, but not anymore.

GOATdin0931
Dec 1st, 2012, 07:42 PM
Everyone should perceive players in their own opinion :)

NashaMasha
Dec 2nd, 2012, 08:13 AM
all rankings are subkective, but nobody cares about how will rank any TF member or one particular journalist, but if Federer is considered by the majority to be best player who ever touched a racquet and played on the tennis court , that's what is important
I still consider that Steffi is at the top of the hill, but it's weired not to admit that results achieved in ATP are still more respectable than in WTA. There was a short period when WTA was packed with great players and Slams were as hard to win as in men's tour ,but still not enough to change the image of "Francesca Schiavone can win a Major"

Pureracket
Dec 2nd, 2012, 12:38 PM
There was a short period when WTA was packed with great players and Slams were as hard to win as in men's tour ,but still not enough to change the image of "Francesca Schiavone can win a Major"
Petr Korda won one while on drugs, and even while he was on 'roids, I don't see how he did it. I think Fed is magical with his racquet, but let's not fool ourselves. There are quite a few 6-1, 6-2, blowout scores and tank jobs on the ATP side of tennis too.

As lame as people claim the WTA is, anybody in the top 7 can win a Slam, especially when Serena is having an off day. On the ATP side, you pretty much can expect the same winners. I was surprised that Murray's forehand held up long enough to beat a less-than-healthy Nole in the US Open.

rjd1111
Dec 2nd, 2012, 07:27 PM
It's about as ridiculous as saying she's the best ever

The truth is not ridiculous

DevilishAttitude
Dec 2nd, 2012, 07:57 PM
RACISTZ!!!!!1 :fiery:

ZeroSumGame
Dec 2nd, 2012, 08:05 PM
SERENA'S THE BEST EVER POUND 4 POUND ...Credit needs to be given where it is due, the all time greats may have more hardware than Serena, but they wouldn't hang with this athletically supreme woman (TOTAL PACKAGE).

JarkaFish
Dec 2nd, 2012, 08:30 PM
For me, Graf is the GOAT.

Her consistency and dominance across all surfaces in an era where they were NOT homogenized and their were lots of specialists is really quite remarkable.

Petronius
Dec 2nd, 2012, 09:06 PM
http://www.tennischannel.com/goat/71.aspx

#14

The American has won more Australian Open titles than any other woman in the Open era. McEnroe, #13, never won the French or the Australian. Borg, #7, never won the US Open. Obviously, the Slams are not the only tournaments, but they have to be weighted more heavily than the other tournaments. Also, it's absolute BS that Serena ranks #14 and Agassi is #12. Their careers are mimetic of each other's; Serena's is simply much, much better.


Agassi is overrated in this ranking quite significantly. For instance, he is six places ahead of the great Ivan Lendl, while he should be at least six places behind Ivan :haha:

Look at their stats:

Lendl vs Agassi

H2H : 6:2
Grand Slams : 8:8
AO : 2:3
RG : 3:1
WM : 0:1
UO : 3:2
YEC : 5:1
NO. 1 (weeks) : 270 : 101
NO. 1 (years) : 4 : 1
GS Finals : 19 : 15
Win : 1071 : 870

edificio
Dec 2nd, 2012, 10:18 PM
The ATP is not inherently better than the WTA. It's apples and oranges, people. They should have two separate lists.

Rex59
Dec 2nd, 2012, 10:48 PM
It's about as ridiculous as saying she's the best ever

:yeah:

Roookie
Dec 2nd, 2012, 10:50 PM
She is waaaaay overranked.

terjw
Dec 2nd, 2012, 11:41 PM
The ATP is not inherently better than the WTA. It's apples and oranges, people. They should have two separate lists.

I agree but:


Annika Sorenstam is never put in the mix between Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player and what not.

Unfortunately not true - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/543958-50-best-golfers-of-all-time

One thing about these polls. No-one agrees with them even when there are separate lists for men and women. Do a combined list and there's no chance anyone will agree. And if you search on google there are combined men and women lists for many sports even though they make little sense.

charmedRic
Dec 3rd, 2012, 02:14 AM
Annika Sorenstam is never put in the mix between Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player and what not.

...hmm, good point.

i.will2
Dec 3rd, 2012, 04:49 AM
Serena should probably be ranked where BJK is, in my opinion, but if she achieves a bit more she will have no problem being in the conversation for top 10 best ever. It is a bit weird to include the men and women in a All Time Great ranking. Even with that said I think its fair that Serena has surpassed Agassi as far as achievements I mean she has won 2 slams 5 different times way more than Agassi has done at any slam event.

NashaMasha
Dec 3rd, 2012, 05:00 AM
Agassi is overrated in this ranking quite significantly. For instance, he is six places ahead of the great Ivan Lendl, while he should be at least six places behind Ivan :haha:

Look at their stats:

Lendl vs Agassi

H2H : 6:2
Grand Slams : 8:8
AO : 2:3
RG : 3:1
WM : 0:1
UO : 3:2
YEC : 5:1
NO. 1 (weeks) : 270 : 101
NO. 1 (years) : 4 : 1
GS Finals : 19 : 15
Win : 1071 : 870

are you serious? :facepalm: Lendl beat 17-18 y.o Agassi ,and when Agassi grew up he started to beat Lendl

what is more Agassi with equal number of Slams has CGS + Olympic Gold, what makes him ranked higher than any 8 Slam winner

PS.... Agassi won 4 AO , you are a mess

Jeff
Dec 3rd, 2012, 07:54 AM
When #14 popped up, I was shocked that Serena was in that position. I thought she would have been in top ten. Funny, though, during her #14 segment they talked about her more than they did McEnroe and Agassi during their ranking segment.

I didn't agree with the majority of the rankings, honestly. I still enjoyed watching the five-part series, though.

And the series shows just how good Serena is. She's already won two more slams and two more gold medals!

Start da Game
Dec 3rd, 2012, 08:04 AM
tennis channel and american analysts in general except johnny mac and connors are dumb as hell......their knowledge of the sport is awful......

Petronius
Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:16 AM
PS.... Agassi won 4 AO , you are a mess

Good point, thanks. I quickly copied this from menstennisforum. But he has eight slams anyway so no change in the overall tally.

are you serious? :facepalm: Lendl beat 17-18 y.o Agassi ,and when Agassi grew up he started to beat Lendl

what is more Agassi with equal number of Slams has CGS + Olympic Gold, what makes him ranked higher than any 8 Slam winner

Maybe this list from menstennisforum will help :hug:

1. Pancho Gonzales, 364 weeks and 20.66 slams
2. Rod Laver, 277 weeks and 19.195 slams
3. Roger Federer, 300 weeks and 17 slams
4. Bill Tilden, 330 weeks and 14.143 slams
5. Ken Rosewall, 242 weeks and 20.2 slams
6. Pete Sampras, 286 weeks and 14 slams
7. Don Budge, 303 weeks and 10.5 slams
8. William Renshaw, 286 weeks and 11.165 slams
9. Laurie Doherty, 252 weeks and 7.665 slams
10. Jack Kramer, 234 weeks and 8.195 slams
11. Ivan Lendl, 234 weeks and 8 slams
12. Ellsworth Vines, 191 weeks and 10.035 slams
13. William Larned- 199 weeks and 8 slams
14. Bjorn Borg, 150 weeks and 11 slams
15. Joshua Pim, 173 weeks 9 slams
16. Jimmy Connors, 182 weeks and 8 slams
17. Bobby Riggs, 156 weeks and 8.98 slams
18. John McEnroe, 170 weeks and 7 slams
19. Henri Cochet, 147 weeks and 8.145 slams
20. Rafael Nadal, 102 weeks and 11 slams
21. Tony Wilding, 130 weeks and 8.665 slams
22. Fred Perry, 121 weeks and 8.7 slams
23. Reggie Doherty, 139 weeks and 7 slams
24. Wilfred Baddeley, 122 weeks and 8 slams
25. Andre Agassi, 101 weeks and 8 slams

Pureracket
Dec 3rd, 2012, 01:19 PM
Agassi is overrated in this ranking quite significantly. For instance, he is six places ahead of the great Ivan Lendl, while he should be at least six places behind Ivan :haha:

Look at their stats:

Lendl vs Agassi

H2H : 6:2
Grand Slams : 8:8
AO : 2:3
RG : 3:1
WM : 0:1
UO : 3:2
YEC : 5:1
NO. 1 (weeks) : 270 : 101
NO. 1 (years) : 4 : 1
GS Finals : 19 : 15
Win : 1071 : 870Truth!

NashaMasha
Dec 3rd, 2012, 03:06 PM
Good point, thanks. I quickly copied this from menstennisforum. But he has eight slams anyway so no change in the overall tally.



Maybe this list from menstennisforum will help :hug:

1. Pancho Gonzales, 364 weeks and 20.66 slams
2. Rod Laver, 277 weeks and 19.195 slams
3. Roger Federer, 300 weeks and 17 slams
4. Bill Tilden, 330 weeks and 14.143 slams
5. Ken Rosewall, 242 weeks and 20.2 slams
6. Pete Sampras, 286 weeks and 14 slams
7. Don Budge, 303 weeks and 10.5 slams
8. William Renshaw, 286 weeks and 11.165 slams
9. Laurie Doherty, 252 weeks and 7.665 slams
10. Jack Kramer, 234 weeks and 8.195 slams
11. Ivan Lendl, 234 weeks and 8 slams
12. Ellsworth Vines, 191 weeks and 10.035 slams
13. William Larned- 199 weeks and 8 slams
14. Bjorn Borg, 150 weeks and 11 slams
15. Joshua Pim, 173 weeks 9 slams
16. Jimmy Connors, 182 weeks and 8 slams
17. Bobby Riggs, 156 weeks and 8.98 slams
18. John McEnroe, 170 weeks and 7 slams
19. Henri Cochet, 147 weeks and 8.145 slams
20. Rafael Nadal, 102 weeks and 11 slams
21. Tony Wilding, 130 weeks and 8.665 slams
22. Fred Perry, 121 weeks and 8.7 slams
23. Reggie Doherty, 139 weeks and 7 slams
24. Wilfred Baddeley, 122 weeks and 8 slams
25. Andre Agassi, 101 weeks and 8 slams

so Caroline Wozniacki is greater than Venus ? weeks being #1 is contovercial evidence of greatness ... Career Grand Slam is on the contrary an achievement as well as Olympic Gold

Petronius
Dec 3rd, 2012, 05:17 PM
Truth!

And I didn't even mention that Lendl has 94 tournament titles compared to just 60 for Agassi. :cool:

Plus Ivan has just added one slam and one Olympic Gold to his tally as a coach :devil:

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BillFromRichmond
Dec 4th, 2012, 02:42 AM
No problems with her ranking here. Steffi was the # 1 woman of all time and Martina and Chrissy also trump Serena. I would rate Serena ahead of Billie Jean who is a political correctness pick here.

On men's side, I would put Borg ahead of Raffa and Sampras.

darrinbaker00
Dec 4th, 2012, 04:46 AM
No problems with her ranking here. Steffi was the # 1 woman of all time and Martina and Chrissy also trump Serena. I would rate Serena ahead of Billie Jean who is a political correctness pick here.

On men's side, I would put Borg ahead of Raffa and Sampras.

If I were a moderator, I'd permanently ban you for that. A woman who won 39 total majors (only Court and Navratilova have more), including all four in singles, doubles, and mixed, is a "political correctness" pick? You obviously know nothing about tennis, so why did you REALLY join this board?

Otlichno
Dec 4th, 2012, 08:28 PM
And where exactly should she be? :spit:

Dominic
Dec 4th, 2012, 08:40 PM
Serena will always be the greatest player of all time to me...I could give a rats ass of what the Tennis channel says lol.

Based on what? your opinion?

next

MrProdigy555
Dec 4th, 2012, 08:54 PM
Based on what? your opinion?

next
This is what I'm talking about, Dom. :o

"Serena Williams will always be the greatest player of all time TO ME..."

It's so clearly this person's opinion, yet, you can't allow them to simply have their opinion. No, you must make a comment. -_-

Dominic
Dec 4th, 2012, 09:25 PM
It's so clearly this person's opinion, yet, you can't allow them to simply have their opinion. No, you must make a comment. -_-

An opinion must be supported with facts, or logical reasons to hold some weight

MrProdigy555
Dec 4th, 2012, 10:25 PM
An opinion must be supported with facts, or logical reasons to hold some weight
That isn't true.

Person A has the prettiest voice to me. There is no other needed information for me to hold that opinion, other than that I believe it to be true.

BillFromRichmond
Dec 6th, 2012, 10:22 PM
If I were a moderator, I'd permanently ban you for that. A woman who won 39 total majors (only Court and Navratilova have more), including all four in singles, doubles, and mixed, is a "political correctness" pick? You obviously know nothing about tennis, so why did you REALLY join this board?Well you are not, so kiss my ass.

NashaMasha
Dec 6th, 2012, 11:21 PM
That isn't true.

Person A has the prettiest voice to me. There is no other needed information for me to hold that opinion, other than that I believe it to be true.

so information that Maria Callas had greater voice is irrelevant for you, doesn't it?

MrProdigy555
Dec 7th, 2012, 07:22 AM
so information that Maria Callas had greater voice is irrelevant for you, doesn't it?
You can't even formulate a coherent sentence. BYEEEeee.

Raiden
Dec 7th, 2012, 08:24 AM
Unfortunately not trueIt is true.

- http://bleacherreport.com/articles/543958-50-best-golfers-of-all-timeMere internet blogs don't count.
(anyone can create that).

Steffibestever
Dec 7th, 2012, 08:25 AM
Wasn't this list made when Serena had 13 Slams?

This list was always a joke, though - Venus over Lenglen? Henin over Connolly? Hingis over Goolagong? :haha:

Hingis most definitely is above Goolagong. Hingis won 5 real slams. Goolagong won 3 real slams and 4 Australian Opens which was a fraudelent non slam back then. Had the Australian Open been a real slam Evonne would have been lucky to win 1 and have 4 slams, still less than Hingis. Furthermore Hingis was a dominant player at her peak, won 3 slams in one year, won 3 straight and reached 6 straight Aussie finals when it was a fully legit slam, and was #1 for the most part of 4 years. Evonne was never a dominant player even close to Hingis, nor nearly as consistent a player as Hingis. Evonne isnt even in Hingis league really.