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miffedmax
Nov 29th, 2012, 09:04 PM
The resolution passes 138-9 with 41 abstentions.

Palestine may now seek to be recognized by the international court system.

The US and Israel have both violently opposed this step and it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I am inclined to see it as a short-term negative but a long-term step toward a two-state solution.

miffedmax
Nov 29th, 2012, 09:25 PM
The "No" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia.

France votes "Yes." UK abstains.

Nicolás89
Nov 29th, 2012, 09:35 PM
This is really a bombshell. :eek:

Lol at UK, NID. :lol:

miffedmax
Nov 29th, 2012, 09:42 PM
It's a pretty pathetic job of arm-twisting by the U.S., frankly. IMHO we have really blown our chance to act as an honest broker and facilitate bringing peace to this part of the world. Hardly anyone in the US remembers when Eisnhower forced the Israelis to pull out of the Sinai in '56.

miffedmax
Nov 29th, 2012, 09:44 PM
Abstaining:

Albania, Andorra, Australia, Bahamas, Barbados, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Cameroon, Colombia, Croatia, Dem. Rep. of Congo, Estonia, Fiji, Germany, Guatemala, Haiti, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malawi, Monaco, Mongolia, Montenegro, Netherlands, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Poland, Korea, Moldova, Romania, Rwanda, Samoa, San Marino, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Macedonia, Togo, Tonga, UK, Vanuatu

So it looks like the Palestinians picked up a number of "yes" votes that were earlier expected to abstain from Western Europe, including Italy and Sweden. This is very damaging to US/Israeli hopes that the motion would be carried by a bloc of Arab countries and states with poor human rights records, allowing them to claim the vote lacked legitimacy. Hard to claim the Scandinavians have a poor record on human rights.

Turkey was also a major player in rallying support for the vote, showing how completely Turkish/Israeli relations have soured. And I suspect New Zealand has been waiting for this moment ever since they busted the Mossad...

Wiggly
Nov 29th, 2012, 09:50 PM
It's a pretty pathetic job of arm-twisting by the U.S., frankly. IMHO we have really blown our chance to act as an honest broker and facilitate bringing peace to this part of the world. Hardly anyone in the US remembers when Eisnhower forced the Israelis to pull out of the Sinai in '56.

Wasn't Lester B. Pearson who won a Nobel Peace Prize for the Suez Crisis?

Can't believe Canada voted against along such big world players such as Nauru and Paulu.
Harper is destroying the country.

*JR*
Nov 29th, 2012, 09:52 PM
The resolution passes 138-9 with 41 abstentions.

Palestine may now seek to be recognized by the international court system.

The US and Israel have both violently opposed this step and it will be interesting to see how it plays out.

I am inclined to see it as a short-term negative but a long-term step toward a two-state solution.Observer status is almost meaningless for a governing authority, and tribunals like the ICC aren't about to start siezing Israeli Cabinet Ministers, Generals, etc. The feigned outrage on this is like when (after a threatened US veto of any Security Council Resolution with possible sanctions) the SC would pass one with the "teeth" removed. (The US would then abstain, and Israel would pretend it had been insulted). The Palestinians should feel like Alec Baldwin's character, in this clip from Working Girl:

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miffedmax
Nov 29th, 2012, 10:04 PM
No, Abbas has said he doesn't anticipate going to the ICC. However, he can go to all the other UN bodies, which does help build legitimacy and allow him to bypass the US and Israelis, who up until now have been able to box the Palestinians in. Of course, it's biggest impact is symbolic. Like I said, it's pretty embarrassing for the US when all our threats and bluster can only round up 9 votes.

*JR*
Nov 29th, 2012, 10:31 PM
Palestine has had various forms of observer status ova the years already, and here's the (early 2010) list of entities with observer status. (I hope the IOC recognizes them, like it has Puerto Rico, for example). Hell, even Gorby's failed CIS has observer status. :o

ORGANIZATIONS GRANTED OBSERVER STATUS IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

NOTE: Former observer: Council for Mutual Economic Assistance: A/RES/3209 (XXIX) (11 Oct. 1974). - List of non-Member States, entities and organizations: A/INF/64/8 (2 Feb. 2010).

African, Caribbean and Pacific Group of States: A/RES/36/4 (15 Oct. 1981)
African Development Bank: A/RES/42/10 (28 Oct. 1987)
African Union: A/RES/2011(XX) (11 Oct. 1965) & General Assembly decision 56/475 (15 Aug. 2002)
Agency for the Prohibition of Nuclear Weapons in Latin America: A/RES/43/6 (17 Oct. 1988)
Andean Community: A/RES/52/6 (22 Oct. 1997)
Asian-African Legal Consultative Committee: A/RES/35/2 (13 Oct. 1980)
Asian Development Bank: A/RES/57/30 (19 Nov. 2002)
Association of Caribbean States: A/RES/53/5 (15 Oct. 1998)
Association of Southeast Asian Nations: A/RES/61/44 (4 Dec. 2006)
Black Sea Economic Cooperation Organization: A/RES/54/5 (8 Oct. 1999)
Caribbean Community: A/RES/46/8 (17 Oct. 1991)
Central American Integration System: A/RES/50/2 (19 Oct. 1995)
Collective Security Treaty Organization: A/RES/59/50 (2 Dec. 2004)
Common Fund for Commodities: A/RES/60/26 (23 Nov. 2005)
Commonwealth of Independent States: A/RES/48/237 (24 Mar. 1994)
Commonwealth Secretariat: A/RES/31/3 (18 Oct. 1976)
Community of Portugese-Speaking Countries: A/RES/54/10 (26 Oct. 1999)
Community of Sahelo-Saharan States: A/RES/56/92 (12 Dec. 2001)
Council of Europe: A/RES/44/6 (17 Oct. 1989)
Customs Cooperation Council: A/RES/53/216 (23 Mar. 1999)
East African Community: A/RES/58/86 (9 Dec. 2003)
Economic Community of Central African States: A/RES/55/161 (12 Dec. 2000)
Economic Community of West African States: A/RES/59/51 (2 Dec. 2004)
Economic Cooperation Organization: A/RES/48/2 (13 Oct. 1993)
Eurasian Economic Community: A/RES/58/84 (9 Dec. 2003)
European Union: A/RES/3208 (XXIX) (11 Oct. 1974)
GUUAM: A/RES/58/85 (9 Dec. 2003)
Hague Conference on Private International Law: [A/RES/60/27] (23 Nov. 2005)
Ibero-American Conference: [A/RES/60/28] (23 Nov. 2005)
Indian Ocean Commission: A/RES/61/43 (4 Dec. 2006)
Inter-American Development Bank: A/RES/55/160 (12 Dec. 2000)
Inter-Parliamentary Union: A/RES/57/32 (19 Nov. 2002)
International Centre for Migration Policy Development: A/RES/57/31 (19 Nov. 2002)
International Committee of the Red Cross: A/RES/45/6 (16 Oct. 1990)
International Criminal Police Organization (Interpol): A/RES/51/1 (15 Oct. 1996)
International Development Law Institute: A/RES/56/90 (12 Dec. 2001)
International Federation of Red Cross and Red Crescent Societies: A/RES/49/2 (19 Oct. 1994)
International Hydrographic Organization: A/RES/56/91 (12 Dec. 2001)
International Institute for Democracy and Electoral Assistance: A/RES/58/83 (9 Dec. 2003)
International Olympic Committee: A/RES/64/3 (19 Oct. 2009)
International Organization for Migration: A/RES/47/4 (16 Oct. 1992)
International Organization of la Francophonie: A/RES/33/18 (10 Nov. 1978) & General Assembly decision 53/453 (18 Dec. 1998)
International Seabed Authority: A/RES/51/6 (24 Oct. 1996)
International Tribunal for the Law of the Sea: A/RES/51/204 (17 Dec. 1996)
International Union for the Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources: A/RES/54/195 (17 Dec. 1999)
Islamic Development Bank Group: A/RES/61/259 (28 Mar. 2007)
Latin American Economic System (SELA): A/RES/35/3 (13 Oct. 1980)
Latin American Integration Association: [A/RES/60/25] (23 Nov. 2005)
Latin American Parliament: A/RES/48/4 (13 Oct. 1993)
League of Arab States: A/RES/477 (V) (1 Nov. 1950)
OPEC Fund for International Development: A/RES/61/42 (4 Dec. 2006)
Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development: A/RES/53/6 (15 Oct. 1998)
Organisation of Eastern Caribbean States: A/RES/59/52 (2 Dec. 2004)
Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe: A/RES/48/5 (13 Oct. 1993)
Organization of American States: A/RES/253 (III) (16 Oct. 1948)
Organization of the Islamic Conference: A/RES/3369 (XXX) (10 Oct. 1975)
Pacific Islands Forum: A/RES/49/1 (17 Oct. 1994)
Palestine: A/RES/3237 (XXIX) (22 Nov. 1974) [= observer status]; A/RES/43/160 (9 Dec. 1988) [= designation "Palestine"]; A/RES/43/177 (15 Dec. 1988) [= right to circulate communications without intermediary]; A/RES/52/250 (7 July 1998) [= right to participate in general debate and additional rights]
Partners in Population and Development: A/RES/57/29 (19 Nov. 2002)
Permanent Court of Arbitration: A/RES/48/3 (13 Oct. 1993)
Shanghai Cooperation Organization: A/RES/59/48 (2 Dec. 2004)
South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation: A/RES/59/53 (2 Dec. 2004)
Southern African Development Community: A/RES/59/49 (2 Dec. 2004)
Sovereign Military Order of Malta: A/RES/48/265 (24 Aug. 1994)
University for Peace: A/RES/63/132 (11 Dec. 2008)

http://lib-unique.un.org/lib/unique.nsf/Link/R02020

antonella
Nov 29th, 2012, 10:44 PM
'The "No" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia.'

I guess that's all that remains of the great American Empire.

Joana
Nov 29th, 2012, 10:53 PM
Why did Czech Republic vote against? :shrug:

I'd rather Serbia had abstained, but it was NID how that vote would go.

Valanga
Nov 30th, 2012, 02:26 AM
USA. A Disgrace, really.

*JR*
Nov 30th, 2012, 10:56 AM
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Sam L
Nov 30th, 2012, 11:03 AM
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Kenneth was incredibly hot in this.

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Anyway, hopefully nothing will come out of this and it will indeed end with "much ado about nothing". Two-state solution is not possible if Palestinians keep throwing bombs into Israel.

Lin Lin
Nov 30th, 2012, 11:29 AM
:help:

miffedmax
Nov 30th, 2012, 02:49 PM
It's interesting how the Israeli position went from full-court press to "much ado about nothing" when it became clear that Western Europe would not vote their way (esp. France and Italy).

The fact is that the vote has already got Hamas and the PLA talking about forming a new coalition, which would be a major step forward from a Palestinian point of view. Recognition as a "state" not at "entity" is something of a legal fiction, but it's a legal fiction that makes it much easier for states that are so inclined to upgrade consulates to embassies and open consulates where no formal relations existed. Embassies can also lead to things like direct foreign aid, trade agreements--which can make claims about not occupying areas yet refusing to let them export goods a bit untenable--and a host of other incremental changes.

The trick is, of course, that Hamas and the PLA actually have to come to a workable solution, and they have to be patient. Two things they have not been good at in the past.

dsanders06
Nov 30th, 2012, 02:53 PM
:cheer:

The biggest irony is, this probably wouldn't have happened (or atleast the vote wouldn't've been so overwhelming) had Israel not acted so disproportionately a few weeks ago. I wonder if this will finally teach them to stop shooting themselves in the foot.......won't hold my breath.

miffedmax
Nov 30th, 2012, 03:31 PM
It's been truly said that neither side misses a chance to pass up an opportunity.

KournikovaFan91
Nov 30th, 2012, 03:57 PM
Congrats, and :facepalm: at those No votes.

In The Zone
Nov 30th, 2012, 06:22 PM
Any more obvious that US is using Israel as an extension to the Middle East? Ridiculous that the whole world sees it and the US won't get on board.

*JR*
Nov 30th, 2012, 08:52 PM
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Cineast
Dec 1st, 2012, 12:58 PM
I look forward to Kurdistan, Taiwan, and Catalonia gaining observer status.

Beat
Dec 1st, 2012, 03:42 PM
:clap2:

The "No" votes: US, Israel, Panama, Palau, Canada, Marshall Islands, Nauru, Czech Republic, Micronesia.

France votes "Yes." UK abstains.

ugh :facepalm: