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TeamUla
Nov 28th, 2012, 08:30 AM
In Poland Swedish people are responsible for negotiations with Polish broadcasters. Nobody from them answered the questions on which channel there will be WTA tennis.

"Negotiations with Swedish are very difficult as they are exceptionally predacious brokers. They use the "national" argument and Radwanska names but they are absoulely unrealistic. I don't think anyone would buy the rights for the price they offered. - says Piotr Pykel, deputy of sports in Polsat (channel which broadcasts Wimbledon in Poland).

"We are not interested at all" - we heard from Joanna Parasiewicz from N platform.

"Soccer and martial arts are our priority, we are not interested in tennis" - says Kacper Sosnowski from Orange Sport.

Unofficially, Canal+ was interested in the investment but the price scared them. "We steadily analyze the market offer. The WTA tournaments are not on the list of our priorities at the moment. Of course we appreciate the successes of Radwanska sisters but so far we won't to focus on other sport events - says Tomasz Smokowski from Canal+.

Wlodzimierz Szaranowicz: sport departament deputy of TVP (Polish Public Broadcaster): Those rights are the object of our interest but the situation is not clear yet. We do market research, especially the price of broadcast, we are not paneuropean channel like Eurosport. To make the offer attractive, we must have the guarantee that we will get many matches of Radwanskas but also other tennis players of Polish origin - like Wozniacki or Kerber.

Reportedly, the negotiations are supposed to be difficult not only because of high price but also that WTA expect that her partner will show the tennis non stop, several dozen hours per week live. And this is unrealistic even in TVP Sport and Polsat Sport who have many more obligations.


"The best solution would be if some of digital platforms decided to create the tennis channel but those are additional costs and it's difficult to believe that someone will decide for it. If the sale of broadcast rights will still be so sluggish maybe WTA will change the strategy, as the sponsors of the tournament won't be too happy about that" - says anonymous expert.

"We heard about all the mess but it's not time to irritate. Most important Grand Slam matches will be broadcast in Polish channels. We hope the rest will be broadcast as well, it is a matter of time" - says Radwanska's coach Wiktorowski.

http://www.sport.pl/celebrities/1,83535,12936864,Tenis__Kto_pokaze_Agnieszke_Radwa nska_.html

Jorn
Nov 28th, 2012, 08:37 AM
Nobody wanna pay so it will be on www.lshunter.tv all over Europe :o :o

TeamUla
Nov 28th, 2012, 08:38 AM
Are you sure? Most of the livestreams' origin was Eurosport.

N.M.
Nov 28th, 2012, 11:00 AM
gambling websites are showing streams

leftyness
Nov 28th, 2012, 12:52 PM
Reportedly, the negotiations are supposed to be difficult not only because of high price but also that WTA expect that her partner will show the tennis non stop, several dozen hours per week live. And this is unrealistic even in TVP Sport and Polsat Sport who have many more obligations.


Thanks for a very interesting post, PainfulTruth. As the start of the season gets closer, doubtless this situation is being repeated in many countries. Did the WTA think there was going to be a bidding war for TV rights? It stands to reason that any half-interested broadcaster would leave the WTA hanging, with the intent of getting rights for a lower price and/or less conditions attached.

Jane Lane
Nov 28th, 2012, 12:56 PM
RIP Agasport.

NashaMasha
Nov 28th, 2012, 01:04 PM
WTA is doing so wrong with TV broadcasting in Europe.... They will lose a number of fans and popularity

C. Drone
Nov 28th, 2012, 01:21 PM
Reportedly, the negotiations are supposed to be difficult not only because of high price but also that WTA expect that her partner will show the tennis non stop, several dozen hours per week live. And this is unrealistic even in TVP Sport and Polsat Sport who have many more obligations.
Good.

"The best solution would be if some of digital platforms decided to create the tennis channel but those are additional costs and it's difficult to believe that someone will decide for it. If the sale of broadcast rights will still be so sluggish maybe WTA will change the strategy, as the sponsors of the tournament won't be too happy about that" - says anonymous expert.

So they are just being cheap. Bye.

saint2
Nov 28th, 2012, 01:51 PM
Because WTA tennis is boring as shit nowdays.

KatjaS
Nov 28th, 2012, 02:23 PM
So no WTA at all in Poland & Germany. That makes over 120 million people in the core market without WTA on TV. Great job, WTA.

Royals.
Nov 28th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Awwwwee.

Who will watch Aga and Ula? :(

C. Drone
Nov 28th, 2012, 05:14 PM
So no WTA at all in Poland & Germany. That makes over 120 million people in the core market without WTA on TV. Great job, WTA.

Its not WTA's fault if not even 1 million of the 120 are interested.

Jimmie48
Nov 28th, 2012, 05:14 PM
I wonder if they start cosindering crawling back to Eurosport already. Eurosport is in a tough spot as well, they have no idea how to fill all that weekday programming that's missing now....last I heard was that they`re even thinking about showing ITF tournaments now!

Jimmie48
Nov 28th, 2012, 05:16 PM
Its not WTA's fault if not even 1 million of the 120 are interested.

It's the WTA's fault for no realizing that. Eurosport was their best option as it at least kept the sport visible on TV across Europe. The WTA somehow convinced themselves that they could get so much more money from others without realizing how little people in some markets care.

Instead of little money they have nothing now + they'll in danger of alienating their current fan base... all in all a genius move.

C. Drone
Nov 28th, 2012, 05:22 PM
It's the WTA's fault for no realizing that. Eurosport was their best option as it at least kept the sport visible on TV across Europe. The WTA somehow convinced themselves that they could get so much more money from others without realizing how little people in some markets care.

Instead of little money they have nothing now + they'll in danger of alienating their current fan base... all in all a genius move.

Finally WTA realized to not give away their product for free. Best move they had since years.

Sammo
Nov 28th, 2012, 05:32 PM
Too local

Cajka
Nov 28th, 2012, 05:34 PM
Finally WTA realized to not give away their product for free. Best move they had since years.

And now what? Since you support that brilliant move, would you tell us how you think you're gonna watch women's tennis now. Are you gonna attend all events or what?

Start da Game
Nov 28th, 2012, 05:39 PM
nobody believed me when i blamed the tennis authorities for tennis's lack of reach to all regions in the world, in the "why is tennis a white dominated sport?" thread......

look now, they can't even handle a simple tv rights issue......

C. Drone
Nov 28th, 2012, 05:50 PM
And now what? Since you support that brilliant move, would you tell us how you think you're gonna watch women's tennis now. Are you gonna attend all events or what?

I dont care if its on TV or not. Online availability is the future anyway. :shrug:

Corswandt
Nov 28th, 2012, 05:59 PM
Reportedly, the negotiations are supposed to be difficult not only because of high price but also that WTA expect that her partner will show the tennis non stop, several dozen hours per week live.

As they should.

Tennis has lost the social relevance and mainstream media coverage it had in the 1970s and 1980s, and the Pournikova Era and later the Golden Age of 1999-2003 were just oxygen bottles without long-term effects. Tennis is increasingly a niche sport - its core audience of diehards (with a very high % of recreational players etc. rather than mere sports viewing fans) is pretty much its only audience right now. If the WTA ever had any strategy of finding new audiences for the game through exposure to tennis matches broadcasted on a widely available pan-European channel such as Eurosport (having in return to give away broadcasting rights to ES in exchange for peanuts - and tennis constantly being bumped out of the way for endless broadcasts of winter sports and such shit immensely popular in Eurosport's Mitteleuropa core market but ignored virtually everywhere else) it was about time to dump it as it has FAILED.

Since tennis is a niche sport, its place is on specialised sports TV channels.

It's the WTA's fault for no realizing that. Eurosport was their best option as it at least kept the sport visible on TV across Europe. The WTA somehow convinced themselves that they could get so much more money from others without realizing how little people in some markets care.

Instead of little money they have nothing now + they'll in danger of alienating their current fan base... all in all a genius move.

Like I said, the WTA got fuck all in exchange for the supposed visibility Eurosport brought. Next to no €€€ and above all precious few new fans, particularly young ones. What's the average age of tournament goers in Europe, 75?

At least now they're going for the €€€, which they'll get from specialised sports networks all over Europe, rather than laughably impecunious Eurosport, which has become a mercenary station that broadcasts whatever novelty crap is willing to pay to get itself shown on TV (the classic example is curling, which did so openly, but I'm sure there were others).

Tennis' core fanbase will find a way to get its required tennis fix anyway. And if broadcasters still find asking prices for WTA rights too high, they'll become lower and will be bought eventually, probably by smaller stations/networks without many attractions/exclusives on their current programming portfolios.

Cajka
Nov 28th, 2012, 06:06 PM
I dont care if its on TV or not. Online availability is the future anyway. :shrug:

But half of those streams are unwatchable and now when we can't watch it on TV, streams will be dying even more. + as someone suggested, those streams were from ES. I don't mind paying for watching tennis live on some betting sites, I'll probably do it, but we can't pretend that watching a low quality stream can be compared to HD resolution.

Albireo
Nov 28th, 2012, 06:07 PM
I've got 58¢.

Anyone else?

SerenaMJ
Nov 28th, 2012, 06:10 PM
WTA is just brainless. Honestly, apparently they want to reach as many people as possible, create all those ads STRONG IS BEAUTIFUL and supposedly want to popularize the sport, but it will never happen if television channels don't broadcast tennis. Simple. Even countries with top 10 players are not interested in showing it for prices they ask. What about countries who have no players at all? Go figure. Interest in tennis will die. How do you want kids to get interested in it, start playing and training if they won't even know it exists? No channel is going to show as much tennis as Eurosport did unless they create separate WTA channel and sell it to cable broadcasters and that's not going to happen. Instead of promoting the sport they are killing it. I am seriously dreading next year, I can't imagine not being able to watch matches.

Start da Game
Nov 28th, 2012, 06:13 PM
WTA is just brainless. Honestly, apparently they want to reach as many people as possible, create all those ads STRONG IS BEAUTIFUL and supposedly want to popularize the sport, but it will never happen if television channels don't broadcast tennis. Simple. Even countries with top 10 players are not interested in showing it for prices they ask. What about countries who have no players at all? Go figure. Interest in tennis will die. How do you want kids to get interested in it, start playing and training if they won't even know it exists? No channel is going to show as much tennis as Eurosport did unless they create separate WTA channel and sell it to cable broadcasters and that's not going to happen. Instead of promoting the sport they are killing it.

that's exactly what i have been saying since a month or so.....the progress of this sport is stagnated......

C. Drone
Nov 28th, 2012, 06:18 PM
But half of those streams are unwatchable and now when we can't watch it on TV, streams will be dying even more. + as someone suggested, those streams were from ES. I don't mind paying for watching tennis live on some betting sites, I'll probably do it, but we can't pretend that watching a low quality stream can be compared to HD resolution.

There is TennisTV.com, I can save up 10 euro/month for that. :shrug: But of course at least 720p stream and VOD should be available for that money.

Betting sites are pretty cool to have, I can watch literally everything on bet365 having 2 cents on my account all year, but its not really good quality. (Although almost never buffers.) Its not the first potion, lets justsay.

LoveFifteen
Nov 28th, 2012, 06:27 PM
The WTA is painfully boring now. The Golden Years have passed us by. Lord Rena is the only thing giving this tour any legitimacy whatsoever, and the Queen does not have time for peasant tournaments in Poland.

Wiggly
Nov 28th, 2012, 06:31 PM
Stacey is always thinking on short term financial gains which will ruin the sports in about 5-10 years.

C. Drone
Nov 28th, 2012, 06:53 PM
Stacey is always thinking on short term financial gains which will ruin the sports in about 5-10 years.

Cant ruin more than Azarenka being on top.

$uricate
Nov 28th, 2012, 07:09 PM
Cant ruin more than Azarenka being on top.

Who?

Jimmie48
Nov 28th, 2012, 07:20 PM
Cant ruin more than Azarenka being on top.

Way to completely ruin an interesting discussion with dumb trolling.

saint2
Nov 28th, 2012, 07:26 PM
WTA is boring right now. Thats why polish people don't watch WTA. Aga may be some magnet, but why polish people would be intreseted in watching, lets say Wozniacki-Azarenka match ?

BTW- I wonder how were Fed Cup Finals ratings (it was aired in Poland) ?

JarkaFish
Nov 28th, 2012, 07:30 PM
WTA is boring right now. Thats why polish people don't watch WTA. Aga may be some magnet, but why polish people would be intreseted in watching, lets say Wozniacki-Azarenka match ?

BTW- I wonder how were Fed Cup Finals ratings (it was aired in Poland) ?

Wozniacki is actually Polish so that might not be a good example, lol.

saint2
Nov 28th, 2012, 07:33 PM
Wozniacki is actually Polish so that might not be a good example, lol.

It is perfect example. And no matter how much polish media would try to hype her as a "polish player", people will not buy it.

For someone who wants to watch tennis, it will be possible. I've spend 2 years watching mostly ITFs and MMs, bc Eurosport was too busy showing the matches of same 5 players all the time, wich I have total ZERO interest about.

SerenaMJ
Nov 28th, 2012, 07:48 PM
I have a feeling most of us will be left with crap quality streams or an option to buy tennistv.com which costs £85 per year which is ridiculous for the quality of video offered. And why do we have to pay for a subscription to both ATP and WTA? I would rather pay less and buy WTA only as I have no interest in men's tennis at all. Only true fans will pay that kind of money though and it certainly won't help promote the sport among "regular" people.

Jimmie48
Nov 28th, 2012, 07:51 PM
I have a feeling most of us will be left with crap quality streams or an option to buy tennistv.com which costs £85 per year which is ridiculous for the quality of video offered. And why do we have to pay for a subscription to both ATP and WTA? I would rather pay less and buy WTA only as I have no interest in men's tennis at all. Only true fans will pay that kind of money though and it certainly won't help promote the sport among "regular" people.

The big issue with TennisTV for me isn't even the price or the quality but the lack of matches on there. Look at IW, WTA only gets 1/4 the live coverage the ATP gets...that's not acceptable. From some tournaments like Dubai they only show six live matches..that's ridiculous.

SerenaMJ
Nov 28th, 2012, 08:07 PM
The big issue with TennisTV for me isn't even the price or the quality but the lack of matches on there. Look at IW, WTA only gets 1/4 the live coverage the ATP gets...that's not acceptable. From some tournaments like Dubai they only show six live matches..that's ridiculous.

I didn't even know that! So that's even worse, unless something will change with the new year ? I used to have Eurosport subscription that was the cost of £15 per year, but I would pay that £85 if I could get the amount and quality of matches, if I don't, it's just not acceptable.

Manitou
Nov 28th, 2012, 09:21 PM
Awwwwee.

Who will watch Aga and Ula? :(

Can we have a "no kids allowed" policy on this forum?

....

KatjaS
Nov 28th, 2012, 10:45 PM
Without TV coverage, the tournaments will lose their sponsors eventually. Nobody will be willing to pony up big sponsorship money for an event that isn't even on TV.

babsi
Nov 28th, 2012, 11:17 PM
It looks like people don't have much of choice if it isn't going to be televised properly - which is something quite a few countries have had for MANY years - I live in one of them.

Either pay for Tennis TV or rely on unreliable streams.

One thing that annoyed me GREATLY with Tennis TV is what they did this year with the price. Before this year you could choose to have a WTA package or an ATP package or both. Now you don't have a choice and the cost for the WTA package was only around $70 a year now you have to pay $130 a year. Really was bad the way they did it.

The other thing is that the WTA will suffer with casual fans. There is no other sport I would pay to watch each year and I can imagine casual fans will feel the same and not pay. And how will they get new fans to the sport if they can't watch the matches. Money talks.

crazillo
Nov 28th, 2012, 11:37 PM
I mean seriously, before you go out and do such a deal like WTA did with Perform Group, you have to do a market analysis. Anyone who just knows A LITTLE BIT about tennis could have predicted this outcome. You can see this from the thread in the German subforum where we have been speculating for months before we opened the big thread on GM. WTA has been acting really dumb.

Have said it elsewhere and will repeat it here: Presence and availabilty of the sport is just as important as financial gains.

Manitou
Nov 29th, 2012, 12:19 AM
WTA is boring right now. Thats why polish people don't watch WTA. Aga may be some magnet, but why polish people would be intreseted in watching, lets say Wozniacki-Azarenka match ?

BTW- I wonder how were Fed Cup Finals ratings (it was aired in Poland) ?

Don't speak in behalf of the Polish people. If you don't watch it then it's your own business. Many people DO watch it. Some people watch soccer, some volleyball, some figure skating and some tennis. There is no one single sport for everyone. If a sport has a smaller audience than another one then it doesn't mean it has be trashed. Otherwise we would have only soccer.

The same logic can be applied to any country. Does it mean the only sports on US television must be football and basketball? Because some rednecks will shout: "nobody watches tennis!"? Indeed, many people don't, but there is still enough fans who keep the sport alive. The Tennis Channel TV has its own audience, the tournaments are packed and the sport is doing well. And the same applies to Poland, Germany and any other country.

I hope WTA will not commit a suicide, because it would be the most stupid suicide ever.



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coolfish1103
Nov 29th, 2012, 01:06 AM
Way to completely ruin an interesting discussion with dumb trolling.

I don't think he is trolling because Azarenka is not really promoting the sport as well as others. She is just doing whatever she likes, play her matches and show her attitude (whether in press, on court or off court). Look where she appears in media (whether conference, interviews, ads, promotions?) All those combination with her being #1 isn't really helping the WTA.

I am not saying she shouldn't stay #1 because of this, but more or so it's not doing WTA any good. WTA is far better off to put their time on Sharapova, Serena, Li and Wozniacki but they can't really ignore a #1 that's there, so the resources and press releases will be sparse.

Cajka
Nov 29th, 2012, 01:18 AM
I mean seriously, before you go out and do such a deal like WTA did with Perform Group, you have to do a market analysis.

Agreed. You have to find those who would be interested in buying those rights before committing a suicide.

Achernar
Nov 29th, 2012, 01:28 AM
I have a feeling most of us will be left with crap quality streams or an option to buy tennistv.com which costs £85 per year which is ridiculous for the quality of video offered. And why do we have to pay for a subscription to both ATP and WTA? I would rather pay less and buy WTA only as I have no interest in men's tennis at all. Only true fans will pay that kind of money though and it certainly won't help promote the sport among "regular" people.

Yep, I was fine with tennistv when the cost was US$70 for the whole year. Then they raised the cost at US$130, combining ATP and WTA coverage - with 3/4 of the matches being on the men's side. Since 95% of the tennis I watch is women's tennis I was kind of upset and I cancelled my suscription. Unfortunately, in Quebec, tennis coverage is almost nonexistent, and the only way I can watch tennis outside the Slams is through illegal internet streaming or tennis.tv. If I want a real quality tennis.tv is my only choice. On their behalf $130 for hundred and hundred of matches is not overly expensive for a hardcore fan. I'll probably be back in 2013. But you have to like MM tournament :lol:

The big issue with TennisTV for me isn't even the price or the quality but the lack of matches on there. Look at IW, WTA only gets 1/4 the live coverage the ATP gets...that's not acceptable. From some tournaments like Dubai they only show six live matches..that's ridiculous.

Yes, it really upset me, the way men's tennis gets 400% more coverage. I wonder who is responsible? Allaster? Lack of demand? Or pure sexism?

ozza
Nov 29th, 2012, 02:09 AM
Yep, I was fine with tennistv when the cost was US$70 for the whole year. Then they raised the cost at US$130, combining ATP and WTA coverage - with 3/4 of the matches being on the men's side. Since 95% of the tennis I watch is women's tennis I was kind of upset and I cancelled my suscription. Unfortunately, in Quebec, tennis coverage is almost nonexistent, and the only way I can watch tennis outside the Slams is through illegal internet streaming or tennis.tv. If I want a real quality tennis.tv is my only choice. On their behalf $130 for hundred and hundred of matches is not overly expensive for a hardcore fan. I'll probably be back in 2013. But you have to like MM tournament :lol:



Yes, it really upset me, the way men's tennis gets 400% more coverage. I wonder who is responsible? Allaster? Lack of demand? Or pure sexism?

It isn't really sexism. It's just simple demand. You've gotta bare in mind the majority of womens and mens events go head to head. And right now there is always going to be more demand for the mens games, thus tennis.tv is just making the smarter business decision for them.

Also I don't know if this is the case in Canada so you would have to check, but I know where I am you can watch every WTA televised match as far as I'm aware and all the grand slams on bet365 for free if it helps.

I am kinda torn on what WTA have done here. On one stance they likely were not getting the best deal on their old deal, selling to the whole of Europe as one wide package. But on the flip side there are many countries seemingly with little interest in individual channels picking up the rights. There will be others in Europe though where they will probably end up with more money than the currently receive. But this isn't the only thing to consider, you have to consider exposure too. I know here in the UK last I heard the rights were going to a channel that currently less than 1% of the population subscribe to. While that channel is about to receive a boat load more subscribers because it is about to get a few Premier League matches, it still won't have great access.

On the matter in hand in the OP. Surely eventually it's the WTA that will have to buckle in these countries like Germany, Poland etc. If no-one is going to pay the price that is currently being demanded, then sooner or later the WTA will have to buckle. Because they must realise they can't just have no TV coverage.

I mean the issue on the whole doesn't particularly affect me as I can just stream any match. But I do have a few yet unanswered questions even on that. I am hoping this new production deal is actually an improvement as in superior quality etc. Because right now, you have ATP streams that are of high quality, perfectly produced, with commentary. Yet WTA streams for some reason have tended to be of lower quality (even at joint events like Indian Wells), and no added commentary etc. which does bug me slightly.

And with those worried there will be a lack of streams. There will always be streams for event that is televised.

Achernar
Nov 29th, 2012, 02:47 AM
It isn't really sexism. It's just simple demand. You've gotta bare in mind the majority of womens and mens events go head to head. And right now there is always going to be more demand for the mens games, thus tennis.tv is just making the smarter business decision for them.

Also I don't know if this is the case in Canada so you would have to check, but I know where I am you can watch every WTA televised match as far as I'm aware and all the grand slams on bet365 for free if it helps.

I am kinda torn on what WTA have done here. On one stance they likely were not getting the best deal on their old deal, selling to the whole of Europe as one wide package. But on the flip side there are many countries seemingly with little interest in individual channels picking up the rights. There will be others in Europe though where they will probably end up with more money than the currently receive. But this isn't the only thing to consider, you have to consider exposure too. I know here in the UK last I heard the rights were going to a channel that currently less than 1% of the population subscribe to. While that channel is about to receive a boat load more subscribers because it is about to get a few Premier League matches, it still won't have great access.

On the matter in hand in the OP. Surely eventually it's the WTA that will have to buckle in these countries like Germany, Poland etc. If no-one is going to pay the price that is currently being demanded, then sooner or later the WTA will have to buckle. Because they must realise they can't just have no TV coverage.

I mean the issue on the whole doesn't particularly affect me as I can just stream any match. But I do have a few yet unanswered questions even on that. I am hoping this new production deal is actually an improvement as in superior quality etc. Because right now, you have ATP streams that are of high quality, perfectly produced, with commentary. Yet WTA streams for some reason have tended to be of lower quality (even at joint events like Indian Wells), and no added commentary etc. which does bug me slightly.

And with those worried there will be a lack of streams. There will always be streams for event that is televised.

Interesting comment. And thanks for the tip about bet365, but I'm already a member ;) Unfortunately, the streaming is so small that you barely see the ball...or even the players. I am looking for a better quality than that.

and no added commentary

That would be a bonus in my opinion :lol: If I could only silence the commentators while keeping the sound it would be perfect :tape:

ozza
Nov 29th, 2012, 03:08 AM
Interesting comment. And thanks for the tip about bet365, but I'm already a member ;) Unfortunately, the streaming is so small that you barely see the ball...or even the players. I am looking for a better quality than that.



That would be a bonus in my opinion :lol: If I could only silence the commentators while keeping the sound it would be perfect :tape:

This isn't actually their fault though about the quality. The quality of the ATP streams is far higher on the same site. It's to do with the production provided to them. We can only hope this new WTA deal means better quality.

And lol yer, I rely on commentary though to keep me awake during overnight events. The commentary on ATP is the same as used on tennistv though and is fine. This also ties in to just having a better quality product. The WTA seem to just provide a low quality webcam like raw feed with nothing added. The ATP will often provide TV quality (non-HD TV quality that is) streams with graphics, commentary added etc.

guichard
Nov 29th, 2012, 03:40 AM
Yep, I was fine with tennistv when the cost was US$70 for the whole year. Then they raised the cost at US$130, combining ATP and WTA coverage - with 3/4 of the matches being on the men's side. Since 95% of the tennis I watch is women's tennis I was kind of upset and I cancelled my suscription. Unfortunately, in Quebec, tennis coverage is almost nonexistent, and the only way I can watch tennis outside the Slams is through illegal internet streaming or tennis.tv. If I want a real quality tennis.tv is my only choice. On their behalf $130 for hundred and hundred of matches is not overly expensive for a hardcore fan. I'll probably be back in 2013. But you have to like MM tournament :lol:



Yes, it really upset me, the way men's tennis gets 400% more coverage. I wonder who is responsible? Allaster? Lack of demand? Or pure sexism?

You have more options on TV now with TVA Sports and Sportsnet1. It is not often live and it is only on the week end but It is better than nothing.

IF tennistv increases their coverage they will probably too

Cajka
Nov 29th, 2012, 03:45 AM
It's great that many posters post information about useful sites that we'll probably need next year. Maybe we even need a thread for that.

Achernar
Nov 29th, 2012, 04:11 AM
You have more options on TV now with TVA Sports and Sportsnet1. It is not often live and it is only on the week end but It is better than nothing.

IF tennistv increases their coverage they will probably too

I have checked and TVA sports seems indeed interesting. It seems that they intend to broadcast many WTA and ATP tournaments, including some ITF located in Canada. It's funny since the first thing I did when I heard about TVA sport was to see if they would broadcast any women's tennis. But they were only talking about hockey, football and other sports, but no tennis. So I dismissed them. From now on I'll keep an eye on them and if they fulfill their promises they will have me as a customer.

Thanks. Now Sportsnet ;)

Melange
Nov 29th, 2012, 05:17 AM
Have said it elsewhere and will repeat it here: Presence and availabilty of the sport is just as important as financial gains.

Most smaller sports dont believe that, they will always take the biggest money offer they can get even if it means a limited tv audience

Manitou
Nov 29th, 2012, 05:41 AM
It isn't really sexism.

Of course it is sexism. The thing it's impossible to be otherwise. The sport is sexist in its nature and will be like that forever. The women sport will never deliver the same level of athleticism and consequently drama as men's sports. Except sports like figure skating or gymnastics, which are based more on artistry, the men's sports will always be faster, stronger and more dramatic. The showmanship of men's sports will never be equaled by women's sports. However, we are getting more civilized and we don't question equal rights anymore, so we start accepting the reality of equal time, money and attention for both genders.


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guichard
Nov 29th, 2012, 09:22 AM
I have checked and TVA sports seems indeed interesting. It seems that they intend to broadcast many WTA and ATP tournaments, including some ITF located in Canada. It's funny since the first thing I did when I heard about TVA sport was to see if they would broadcast any women's tennis. But they were only talking about hockey, football and other sports, but no tennis. So I dismissed them. From now on I'll keep an eye on them and if they fulfill their promises they will have me as a customer.

Thanks. Now Sportsnet ;)

TVA sports started in the summer with Cincinnati , new haven and ITF granby

Sportsnet1 showed the semi final and final of all the premier tournament


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C. Drone
Nov 29th, 2012, 10:32 AM
The big issue with TennisTV for me isn't even the price or the quality but the lack of matches on there. Look at IW, WTA only gets 1/4 the live coverage the ATP gets...that's not acceptable. From some tournaments like Dubai they only show six live matches..that's ridiculous.
first, IW coverage was bad even under Eurosport too.
second, many of those numbers just placeholders. As Brisbane went up from 5 to 19 just over a week, other tournaments can change too. Of course its not ideal situation you dont exactly know how many match you are able to watch when you subscribe.

I mean seriously, before you go out and do such a deal like WTA did with Perform Group, you have to do a market analysis. Anyone who just knows A LITTLE BIT about tennis could have predicted this outcome. You can see this from the thread in the German subforum where we have been speculating for months before we opened the big thread on GM. WTA has been acting really dumb.

Have said it elsewhere and will repeat it here: Presence and availabilty of the sport is just as important as financial gains.
- How do you know they didnt have any market analysis?
- What were the actual gains for WTA having the product on Eurosport for more than 10 years?


This isn't actually their fault though about the quality. The quality of the ATP streams is far higher on the same site. It's to do with the production provided to them. We can only hope this new WTA deal means better quality.

And lol yer, I rely on commentary though to keep me awake during overnight events. The commentary on ATP is the same as used on tennistv though and is fine. This also ties in to just having a better quality product. The WTA seem to just provide a low quality webcam like raw feed with nothing added. The ATP will often provide TV quality (non-HD TV quality that is) streams with graphics, commentary added etc.

Quality is the betting sites fault, because they are reducing resolution and bitrate so they can spare money on bandwith & such. Hell, bet365 stream doesnt even have fullscreen option. Dont tell me thats WTA's fault... :lol:

And "ATP stream" is what? Either you watch TennisTV or actual TV (or pirated TV feed). Some fancy graphics & commentators has nothing to do with picture quality. Thats just production quality, which is much less important for many people.

ozza
Nov 29th, 2012, 01:05 PM
first, IW coverage was bad even under Eurosport too.
second, many of those numbers just placeholders. As Brisbane went up from 5 to 19 just over a week, other tournaments can change too. Of course its not ideal situation you dont exactly know how many match you are able to watch when you subscribe.


- How do you know they didnt have any market analysis?
- What were the actual gains for WTA having the product on Eurosport for more than 10 years?




Quality is the betting sites fault, because they are reducing resolution and bitrate so they can spare money on bandwith & such. Hell, bet365 stream doesnt even have fullscreen option. Dont tell me thats WTA's fault... :lol:

And "ATP stream" is what? Either you watch TennisTV or actual TV (or pirated TV feed). Some fancy graphics & commentators has nothing to do with picture quality. Thats just production quality, which is much less important for many people.

Ok I'll admit I never bother in fullscreening cos I never really want that. And the overall quality I am pretty sure is not down to the sites. Compare a masters 1000 stream on their compared to most WTA streams. That massive difference in quality is not because anything they are doing.

And the ATP streams on bet365 are the tennistv feed. It's not pirated. It is what they offer.

ozza
Nov 29th, 2012, 01:08 PM
Of course it is sexism. The thing it's impossible to be otherwise. The sport is sexist in its nature and will be like that forever. The women sport will never deliver the same level of athleticism and consequently drama as men's sports. Except sports like figure skating or gymnastics, which are based more on artistry, the men's sports will always be faster, stronger and more dramatic. The showmanship of men's sports will never be equaled by women's sports. However, we are getting more civilized and we don't question equal rights anymore, so we start accepting the reality of equal time, money and attention for both genders.


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That isn't sexism by tennis.tv though. That is sexism by the general public. If the public wants to see more mens tennis. Tennis.tv is going to show more mens tennis. They are just doing what makes more business sense for them.