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Danke Anke
Nov 23rd, 2012, 07:51 PM
http://espn.go.com/tennis/story/_/id/8665545/french-tennis-coach-convicted-raping-players

Nat testified on his behalf earlier in the week. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2WnIbWBprI
She's looking a bit rough... Or should I say rougher.

Halepsova
Nov 23rd, 2012, 08:13 PM
Isabelle :sad:

http://www.parismatch.com/Actu-Match/Societe/Actu/Proces-Regis-de-Camaret.-Isabelle-Demongeot-accuse-446416/

Londoner
Nov 24th, 2012, 11:04 AM
having sex with under age girls isn't 'flings' :shrug:

backhandsmash
Nov 24th, 2012, 01:11 PM
http://www.supersport.com/tennis/more/news/121124/French_federation_will_ask_Tauziat_to_resign

"Nathalie Tauziat's statement at the trial was deeply disturbing. On Monday we will ask her to resign from the management committee," FFT director general Gilbert Ysern told reporters on Saturday.

Halepsova
Nov 24th, 2012, 01:28 PM
I don't know why Tauziat decided to support this guy while there are 20 other girls accusing him.

Saraya!
Nov 24th, 2012, 01:31 PM
This Tauziat..my god..

Raiden
Nov 24th, 2012, 01:43 PM
Nathalie is in trouble:French federation will ask Tauziat to resign

Nathalie Tauziat will be asked to step down from the French tennis federation's (FFT) management committee after she testified in favour of former coach Regis de Camaret who was sentenced to eight years in prison on Friday for raping young female players.

Reuters –

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"Nathalie Tauziat's statement at the trial was deeply disturbing. On Monday we will ask her to resign from the management committee," FFT director general Gilbert Ysern told reporters on Saturday.
Tauziat, a former world number three who reached the Wimbledon final in 1998, told a Lyon court that she had not seen anything at the time De Camaret was coaching and that she did not believe his accusers, especially her former doubles partner Isabelle Demongeot.
De Camaret, now 70, was convicted of raping two female players then aged 12 and 13.
Some 20 of his former pupils have accused him of rape, attempted rape or fondling between 1977 and 1989.
The statute of limitations had run out on all but two, who accused De Camaret of rape or attempted rape.http://eurosport.yahoo.com/news/tennis-french-federation-will-ask-tauziat-resign-123208421.html

timafi
Nov 24th, 2012, 03:33 PM
Tauziat,a bitch til the end . . .

Saraya!
Nov 24th, 2012, 03:40 PM
Tauziat,a bitch til the end . . .

This woman is really unbelieveble.

Chrissie-fan
Nov 24th, 2012, 04:14 PM
How can she just plant a knife in the backs of her former colleagues, one of them her former doubles partner at that? To say that she never noticed anything - hard to believe, but ok, if she really didn't notice anything she didn't notice anything. But to say that she doesn't believe those players, thus calling them liars, is just about as low as it gets. :(

daguerrotype
Nov 24th, 2012, 04:17 PM
Seems she's blinded by him, and for her to go against these girls who have had to deal with this suffering is shameful.

crazillo
Nov 24th, 2012, 04:30 PM
Hasn't she actually been in a relationship with him? I remeber TV commentators always said "her coach and she is in a relationship with him". Maybe that's why?

Halepsova
Nov 24th, 2012, 05:09 PM
She's married with another guy. :shrug:

spiceboy
Nov 24th, 2012, 05:34 PM
How can she just plant a knife in the backs of her former colleagues, one of them her former doubles partner at that?

Tauziat and Demongeot were France's #1 & #2 players at the end of the 80s. Both were coached by de Camaret (below)

http://estaticos02.cache.el-mundo.net/elmundodeporte/imagenes/2012/11/24/tenis/1353753800_0.jpg

Tauziat & Demongeot played doubles together regularly and won many WTA doubles titles together and even qualified once for the YEC in the Madison Square Garden.

Helen Lawson
Nov 24th, 2012, 05:48 PM
Nat loves to stir le merde. Maybe she's just telling what she thinks.

crazillo
Nov 24th, 2012, 05:59 PM
Although Tauziat has a questionable personality, I quite enjoyed her tennis. I think she was unpleasant for many players and really maximised her potential when she was 30+. There's not many players who retired as a top-10 player aged 34.

Whitehead's Boy
Nov 24th, 2012, 06:15 PM
The *bombshell* in Demongeot's book is that Tauziat knew about it, but never did anything and always denied it. Tauziat sued Demongeot for defamation over this, which is much more disgusting that what she just did. I mean, suing a former friend and victim of sexual abuse? The judge ruled that it was a ridiculous lawsuit and Tauziat had to pay a fine for wasting the court's time!

Though that in a way, perhaps it explains a lot of things about Tauziat, and her antisocial behavior. Maybe her life has a very dark side, and she's been under the control of a psychopath for over a decade. Who knows just how it affected her mind, and how she's still affected today.

cellophane
Nov 24th, 2012, 06:34 PM
:eek:

homogenius
Nov 24th, 2012, 06:41 PM
Finally.Too bad it happens only now cause for most of these women (around 15-20 including Demongeot who was brave enough to bring it to the news a long time ago and got stigmatized for years)it was too late.
Hopefully it will send a signal to other coaches using their position to force some young girls (and boys)to do things they don't want to;

As for Nathalie : I understand her loyalty toward someone who followed her during her whole career but there is no way she wasn't aware of what happened all those years (even the FFT got informed of a case at one point but they could do nothing cause the Camaret's structure was private).It was bad enough to know and do nothing, when the stuff got public she should have at least supported the girls (especially Demongeot)instead of her coach.

Halepsova
Nov 24th, 2012, 06:54 PM
I don't get it. What's with Tauziat's personality that people think it's typical for her to behave like this. What was she like on tour? I didn't follow this woman at all.

Whitehead's Boy
Nov 24th, 2012, 07:09 PM
I don't think Tauziat had any choice but to keep the same story at this point. If not, it would be an admission she lied about the whole thing for almost 20 years now and she would lose face and her reputation. (Though that by sticking with De Camaret at this point, her reputation is going down too, so I guess she's in a no-win situation). Demongeot seems to suggest in the youtube video that Tauziat is still brainwashed or manipulated by de Camaret.

I'm sure there is a lot more to the story, so who knows what's really going on with Tauziat. They were in business together I believe so I don't think it was in her interest that the truth comes out.

If de Camaret systematically raped all the girls that he was coaching, I think we can all make 2 + 2 = 4 with Tauziat. The more I think about it, the more I understand the anger coming out of her book. She is especially angry against all the people who are in a happy relationship. She bashes Mauresmo for being on the cover of Paris Match with her girlfriend, she slams Halard because her husband is very dedicated to her, she rolls her eyes at Kournikova for having 2 boyfriends or something, etc. I don't think a personality trait can explain all that anger.

crazillo
Nov 24th, 2012, 07:22 PM
I don't think Tauziat had any choice but to keep the same story at this point. If not, it would be an admission she lied about the whole thing for almost 20 years now and she would lose face and her reputation. (Though that by sticking with De Camaret at this point, her reputation is going down too, so I guess she's in a no-win situation). Demongeot seems to suggest in the youtube video that Tauziat is still brainwashed or manipulated by de Camaret.

I'm sure there is a lot more to the story, so who knows what's really going on with Tauziat. They were in business together I believe so I don't think it was in her interest that the truth comes out.

If de Camaret systematically raped all the girls that he was coaching, I think we can all make 2 + 2 = 4 with Tauziat. The more I think about it, the more I understand the anger coming out of her book. She is especially angry against all the people who are in a happy relationship. She bashes Mauresmo for being on the cover of Paris Match with her girlfriend, she slams Halard because her husband is very dedicated to her, she rolls her eyes at Kournikova for having 2 boyfriends or something, etc. I don't think a personality trait can explain all that anger.

Good posting.
It's one thing to discredit her but another to ask why she is acting the way she is.

Saraya!
Nov 24th, 2012, 07:24 PM
Good posting.
It's one thing to discredit her but another to ask why she is acting the way she is.

I saw her many times during her career..she is a horrible person.

Drake1980
Nov 24th, 2012, 07:55 PM
Nathalie! :sobbing:

moby
Nov 24th, 2012, 08:02 PM
Maybe Tauziat thought he was trying to save the girls from predatory lesbianism.

Saraya!
Nov 24th, 2012, 08:03 PM
Maybe Tauziat thought he was trying to save the girls from predatory lesbianism.

:lol:

edificio
Nov 25th, 2012, 02:42 AM
What a sordid mess. So awful that Tauziat defended this guy even so many years later. Reminds me of Sampras coach (Peter Fischer, a pediatrician who was convicted of molesting his patients (http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/23/sports/tennis-paroled-ex-coach-is-upbeat.html)) and Sampras's reaction. It's difficult, for sure.

I'm glad to see that this coach was convicted even at his late age.

HowardH
Nov 25th, 2012, 04:07 AM
People have to say what they believe in trials, it doesn't mean that they will believe the truth. While it seems clear that this guy did do these things, I don't automatically assume that Tauziat believes that he did these things. I think that she was not molested by him, because he would have probably targeted one girl in each group. Of course it's a bit insensitive to say that you think the other girls are lying, but it's more or less what believing that he didn't do it comes to, except that it's more PC to just say that you didn't think he did that and not mention that you think the other people aren't telling the truth.

While Isabelle may have thought that Nathalie must have seen what was happening, this is not necessarily the case. She might have not connected the dots together.

Whether she is likeable or not is not important, the only issue for me is whether she believes what she is saying, i.e. whether she is telling what she thinks is the truth. If she believes it so be it. There are plenty of other people who saw what happened but there were even more who were unaware of what was happening, and it seems like she was one of those despite being coached by him. I don't think Sampras was lying either when he defended his coach Fischer. He didn't believe the accusations.

jaredlikesbieber
Nov 25th, 2012, 05:26 AM
tauziat is a slimy little ho bag trying to cover for her coach.

Whitehead's Boy
Nov 25th, 2012, 09:50 AM
HowardH: at some point, common sense enters the picture. Just why would 20 people falsely accuse him, especially as most of them have nothing to gain as it's been so long ago? It would be the biggest conspiracy on earth against one individual. Plus, Demongeot wrote a detailed account about her life, her struggles, and her agressions. What she wrote in her book clearly matches reality for those who knew her, so why would the parts about being raped be false? Again, it would be a massive conspiracy.

So even if we start with the idea that Tauziat completely ignored what was going on, like every human on earth, she has the ability to make logical deductions. And any human on earth capable of logical reasonings would have concluded a long time ago that de Camaret is a serial rapist. During the trial, de Camaret did admit he inappropriately touched some players, but then Tauziat still claims it doesn't make any difference in her eyes. She is clearly in denial mode.

Plus, here's what Demongeot alleges:

"Le jour où je me suis exprimée face à Nathalie, j'ai dit que j'avais subi des viols répétés de la part de mon entraîneur et que je voulais partir (...) Elle m'a répondu que ce n'était pas son problème, que c'était le meilleur entraîneur du monde et qu'elle allait continuer à travailler avec lui." Correction on what I wrote earlier: it's not in her book, but in an interview with L'Equipe. Translation: "The day I told Nathalie, that I was raped multiple times, she answered that it wasn't her problem, that he was the best coach in the world and that she would keep working with him". Tauziat sued her for this. And there are 2 other players (Amiach and Tangier) that Tauziat sued as well because they supported Demongeot over this. It seems like the entire world sees the world differently than Tauziat is.

By the way, just as I suspected, this article reveals De Camaret is still Tauziat's financial partner: http://www.sudouest.fr/2012/11/21/nathalie-tauziat-n-a-rien-vu-rien-entendu-884697-7.php

*Jool*
Nov 25th, 2012, 10:42 AM
just for saying, it's 'easy' NOT TO see when someone is molested if they act normally as if nothing happened , are ashamed and won't tell etc.. when there's no reason to be suspicious, you won't believe it ...until it comes out of the blue (which in this case desn't apply to Tauziat who keeps being blindfolded, though I can understand , De Camaret was prety much everything for her and her world would crumble (already has probably ..) if she admitted what he did... I'm not blaming Demongeot nor defending Tauziat, this is obviously a horrible story/situation , and I've known for a while some things like these happen/ned in French tennis. Good to see it's finally coming out . Hopefully other potential victims of this kind of situations won't hesitate to denunciate , but obviously when you are under someone's influence and you owe him for your career and so on it's really tough to accuse them , especially when you spend all your time in a training , coaching context and dont have your family around..

Gallofa
Nov 25th, 2012, 12:07 PM
I have always been a fan of Nathalie. First, for her tennis, which I enjoyed watching, but also, because of her quirky personality and general attitude, which I found very amusing.

Having said that, I am disappointed in her right now and I wish she could had stood by the other girls, even by simply saying: 'I never noticed, I don't think him capable of that, but I stand with you and wish for justice.' She needn't call the other girls liars.

I am not judging her for believing her coach. God only knows what happened between them, and what kind of influence he still may hold over her or whether she is simply doing this to protect herself. If I were to learn someone I held as a father figure had raped dozens of children over the years and I had never even noticed, I don't know how I would be feeling. Probably, like I failed all those other girls. Nathalie might just be protecting herself, thinking that if it is all a lie, they are both fine, he did not do it, and she does not need to feel bad about not having stopped it.

This is me trying to rationalize what is going on here and thinking she might perhaps be somewhat of a victim too in all this.

The alternatives, ranging from Nathalie being also sexually abused to her knowing that it did happen and choosing not to say anything to protect her business profit, are all just too terrifying to even consider.

moby
Nov 25th, 2012, 03:50 PM
Here's yet another interpretation: seeing as Tauziat thinks the world of herself, she was probably in disbelief that such shenanigans could have gone on without her getting a piece of the action. Mon dieu, c'est inexplicable!

Whitehead's Boy
Nov 25th, 2012, 03:58 PM
If you want to be silly in this thread, at least try harder to be funny (?)

Halepsova
Nov 25th, 2012, 03:59 PM
Here's yet another interpretation: seeing as Tauziat thinks the world of herself, she was probably in disbelief that such shenanigans could have gone on without her getting a piece of the action. Mon dieu, c'est inexplicable!

That's what I thought. :o

Gallofa
Nov 25th, 2012, 05:40 PM
If you want to be silly in this thread, at least try harder to be funny (?)

The sad thing is that this kind of thing gets almost no attention. This is a tennis board, it is the off-season, so it is not like there are tournaments happening and still, most people in here do not care.

And, please, open your eyes everyone. This is an old WTA issue: coaches abusing players. Yet it gets pushed under the rug time after time. The few people who are in here are talking about Tauziat, some of them even accusing her (excuse me?! she did NOT rape anyone), instead of focusing on the coach, and the responsibilities of those that should had supervised him and prevented this.

Why is it only the girls that accuse? Why are people asking Nathalie (who was probably a teenager when this happened to Demongeot and others) if she knew? What about WTA officials? What about ITF officials? What about people who were actually grown ups then, FFT anyone?

Does the WTA/ITF/FFT do a good job of supervising their coaches? What is the answer of the French Tennis Federation to this? They are going to kick Tauziat out because she is not sympathetic. Well, I am not sympathetic to the FFT.

Chrissie-fan
Nov 25th, 2012, 06:56 PM
This is an old WTA issue: coaches abusing players. Yet it gets pushed under the rug time after time.
Definitely. A revealing book on this and other goings on in womens tennis.....

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510o7Fz4C2L._SL500_AA300_.jpg

moby
Nov 25th, 2012, 07:12 PM
If you want to be silly in this thread, at least try harder to be funny (?)What is silly and funny are the attempts in this thread to psychoanalyse Tauziat at all, not to mention in any sort of remotely sympathetic light. What we know about her is that she is generally a horrible human being. Lots of horrible human beings have had sad and tragic histories (and we do not even know this is the case for her). So have lots of good people. It's a pointless exercise.

Anyway, given the history of her WTF comments, what I said in jest might come closer to the truth than anyone.

Helen Lawson
Nov 25th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Why is Monica on the cover of a book about disgrace, her parents never abused or tormented her. If anything, her parents were some of the best ones.

Gallofa
Nov 25th, 2012, 08:10 PM
What is silly and funny are the attempts in this thread to psychoanalyse Tauziat at all, not to mention in any sort of remotely sympathetic light. What we know about her is that she is generally a horrible human being. Lots of horrible human beings have had sad and tragic histories (and we do not even know this is the case for her). So have lots of good people. It's a pointless exercise.

Anyway, given the history of her WTF comments, what I said in jest might come closer to the truth than anyone.

I am sorry that you feel the need to justify your little jokes in a topic that is as funny as a heart attack by piling even more manure on top of it. I am not sure what is this thing we know about Nathalie that indicates she is a horrible human being, but whatever you think it is, please be sure this 'we' you have appropriated to spread 'your' views might not include all of us.

And please do not take this personally or think I don't find jokes of predatory lesbians funny (particularly if they involve Alexandra Stevenson), you just have poor timing.

Gallofa
Nov 25th, 2012, 08:12 PM
Why is Monica on the cover of a book about disgrace, her parents never abused or tormented her. If anything, her parents were some of the best ones.

It's a book about that era (Steffi's and Seles'). There is a lot of interesting stuff on it, it is not solely about disgrace or abuse, haven't you read it, Helen? I think you would like it. There is quite a few racy bits in it.

Helen Lawson
Nov 25th, 2012, 08:21 PM
Thanks, hon! I will check into it.

hablo
Nov 25th, 2012, 08:26 PM
It's about time he was convicted...

Lighter
Nov 25th, 2012, 08:46 PM
The sad thing is that this kind of thing gets almost no attention. This is a tennis board, it is the off-season, so it is not like there are tournaments happening and still, most people in here do not care.

And, please, open your eyes everyone. This is an old WTA issue: coaches abusing players. Yet it gets pushed under the rug time after time. The few people who are in here are talking about Tauziat, some of them even accusing her (excuse me?! she did NOT rape anyone), instead of focusing on the coach, and the responsibilities of those that should had supervised him and prevented this.

Why is it only the girls that accuse? Why are people asking Nathalie (who was probably a teenager when this happened to Demongeot and others) if she knew? What about WTA officials? What about ITF officials? What about people who were actually grown ups then, FFT anyone?

Does the WTA/ITF/FFT do a good job of supervising their coaches? What is the answer of the French Tennis Federation to this? They are going to kick Tauziat out because she is not sympathetic. Well, I am not sympathetic to the FFT.I know it's more difficult for you than for a french to follow this story.
Of course, some fft people were in front of court, especially Jean Paul Loth who was in charge of competition. And he explained that he couldn't do anything as this structure was private and had nothing to do with fft. De Camaret didn't get any official degree in order to teach tennis. Loth said that he received a letter from a mum and answered that there were nothing he could do. Other french players like Alexandra Fusai and Anne Gaelle Sidot who work now for FFT were trained by De Camaret. They refused to go in front of court.

The problem of this story is that Demongeot has waited too many times before to ask for justice. But as she said it many times, she felt guilty during many years and wondered if she was responsible.

Concerning Tauziat, don't forget that this man drove her at Wimbledon finals and at a ranking of 3 in the world. That's why she has always protected him. And mentally, she's a very strong woman. She has Euskadi roots. And women from this country are well known to be rude.

As spanish person, you can understand what i mean.

Now, de Camaret is in jail. He's guilty for justice. That's the main thing. But there is still many black holes in this story.

Whitehead's Boy
Nov 25th, 2012, 09:51 PM
Why is Monica on the cover of a book about disgrace, her parents never abused or tormented her. If anything, her parents were some of the best ones.

I'm not sure if I would say that. I don't think her father was abusive, but he did seem a bit crazy and obsessive.

I don't know how much truth there is in one of the Bolletieri book, but the image he paints of the Seles family isn't exactly pretty.

Whitehead's Boy
Nov 25th, 2012, 10:04 PM
Why is it only the girls that accuse? Why are people asking Nathalie (who was probably a teenager when this happened to Demongeot and others) if she knew? What about WTA officials? What about ITF officials? What about people who were actually grown ups then, FFT anyone?

Not saying I don't agree with your posts overall, but Tauziat put herself in that position with the defamation lawsuit. And if she's testifying in favor of de Camaret and attacking de Camaret's victims, it's only fair that she's also challenged.

spiceboy
Nov 26th, 2012, 12:14 AM
She has Euskadi roots. And women from this country are well known to be rude.


I guess/hope you meant to write "strong" :o

moby
Nov 26th, 2012, 12:38 AM
I am sorry that you feel the need to justify your little jokes in a topic that is as funny as a heart attack by piling even more manure on top of it. I am not sure what is this thing we know about Nathalie that indicates she is a horrible human being, but whatever you think it is, please be sure this 'we' you have appropriated to spread 'your' views might not include all of us.

And please do not take this personally or think I don't find jokes of predatory lesbians funny (particularly if they involve Alexandra Stevenson), you just have poor timing.
Not sure if you have seen this thread recently, but maybe you might also want to correct our misconceptions about Nathalie there:
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=470793

The homosexual women do nothing to get noticed, but I do urge parents of very young players to make a good choice of the people to whom they entrust them.

I had one experience which served as a lesson. The coach of one young girl asked me to watch out for her in case she had any problems. I saw after a few days she was practising with a little group of homosexual players, one of whom I knew very well.

I told her: "Do not touch this girl. Do you understand ?" I never saw the girl with them again. She gave up her career and I learned later she had entered a sect and her parents had a lot of trouble getting her out!

Homosexuality does not shock me, but I am upset by a lack of discretion. I was shocked when Paris Match came out with a cover of Amelie Mauresmo and her friend Sylvie Bourdon, posed together like showbiz stars.

Imagine the trouble a young kid dreaming of becoming a tennis star might have with that. I approve of the step taken by the WTA, who asked Amelie and Sylvie to show their affection in a less demonstrative way.The irony.

Kooyong
Nov 26th, 2012, 11:38 AM
Why is Monica on the cover of a book about disgrace, her parents never abused or tormented her. If anything, her parents were some of the best ones.

As others have said it is about the WTA in the early 1990s

A must read for any Tennis fan with plenty of fascinating stories and some less so.

Lighter
Nov 26th, 2012, 03:37 PM
I guess/hope you meant to write "strong" :o"Mentally very strong" yes.