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VeeJJ
Nov 16th, 2012, 06:40 PM
Who shall we nominate and award this most coveted prize to?

Sadly Kvitova was quite over-rated this year. #Failuretolaunch :bigcry:

Radwanska is certainly a strong contender here as well.

Poll to come when we have enough consistent noms. I don't wanna poor over the rankings and revisit everyones past year like Na-Goat or someone would cause I just don't have the effort.

NashaMasha
Nov 16th, 2012, 06:41 PM
Radwanska - overated both by fans and WTA ranking

Domo19
Nov 16th, 2012, 06:45 PM
Radwanska - overated both by fans and WTA ranking

Radwanska overrated ?? Miami, Dubai winner and Wimbledon Runner up ... don't think so .... more overrated is Ivanovic #13 Jankovic #22 this seaseon is terrible for them but they are still in top 30 :rolleyes:

VeeJJ
Nov 16th, 2012, 06:49 PM
So it clearly wasn't that terrible if there ranking is there boo. I'm so ready for Radwanska to drop like a fly a-la Wozniacki in 2013.

Coconut91
Nov 16th, 2012, 06:52 PM
Radwanska - overated both by fans and WTA ranking

More like underrated for me.

Barthel takes my vote.

Brad[le]y.
Nov 16th, 2012, 06:55 PM
How the fuck is Radwanska overrated? :spit:

Jane Lane
Nov 16th, 2012, 06:57 PM
Radwanska overrated ?? Miami, Dubai winner and Wimbledon Runner up ... don't think so .... more overrated is Ivanovic #13 Jankovic #22 this seaseon is terrible for them but they are still in top 30 :rolleyes:

Overranked =/= overrated.

Anyway, Barthel. I would've said Lisicki but she's so irrelevant atm her hype has died.

Dodge
Nov 16th, 2012, 06:57 PM
Kvitova or Stosur.

saint2
Nov 16th, 2012, 06:58 PM
Radwanska, but not Agnieszka. :tape:

Its sad that there really are people who see that scrub in top20. Hope 2012 is the last season when we see her being somehow relevant, and she'll be back to itfs...

NashaMasha
Nov 16th, 2012, 07:02 PM
Radwanska overrated ?? Miami, Dubai winner and Wimbledon Runner up ... don't think so .... more overrated is Ivanovic #13 Jankovic #22 this seaseon is terrible for them but they are still in top 30 :rolleyes:


Radwanska's results at Slams is even inferiour to Errani's + 1R at Olympics

and her only run to the final was a real fluke with increadible luck in the match versus Kirilenko

Povin
Nov 16th, 2012, 07:08 PM
Barthel. She was TF World No.2 once :help:
Hopefully, she'll prove it sometime in the future

égalité
Nov 16th, 2012, 07:09 PM
Real #2 Barthel clearly. :spit:

Brad[le]y.
Nov 16th, 2012, 07:10 PM
Radwanska's results at Slams is even inferiour to Errani's + 1R at Olympics

and her only run to the final was a real fluke with increadible luck in the match versus Kirilenko

Your excuses are cute. Radwanska is 6-1 against Errani and played great tennis against Kerber to reach the final. Just because you don't like someone doesn't mean they're overrated. Look at the like/dislike thread :lol:

Bodensee
Nov 16th, 2012, 07:15 PM
In my opinion, the player with a spectacular game are overrated (e.g. Ivanovic, Lisicki).

And player who has a defensive tactical play will be underrated (e.g. Radwanska, Kerber, Errani).

But the rankings do not lie.

Halepsova
Nov 16th, 2012, 07:17 PM
Kirilenko.

jj74
Nov 16th, 2012, 07:25 PM
Probably Barthel (who is not exactly overranked). She has inmense potential (and i think a lot of people see that), but her results are not matching that potential. Mid year she seemed ready to do the next step in her progression, but then she started to lose every first round at GS, and not doing well in other tournaments either

Trickle
Nov 16th, 2012, 07:30 PM
How is Radwanska overrated when every second person in the forum hates her?

I would say Mona Barthel is overrated now in hindsight even though I was on her bandwagon.

NashaMasha
Nov 16th, 2012, 07:33 PM
How is Radwanska overrated when every second person in the forum hates her?

I would say Mona Barthel is overrated now in hindsight even though I was on her bandwagon.

"Radwanska is equal to Del Potro" .... " Radwanska is real tennis" .... A number of tennis specialist like Matt Cronin and Steve Tignor are always overhyping her. But she is still the one, who is waiting easy draws or ill-Kvitovas

ScrubLove
Nov 16th, 2012, 07:43 PM
"Radwanska is equal to Del Potro" .... " Radwanska is real tennis" .... A number of tennis specialist like Matt Cronin and Steve Tignor are always overhyping her. But she is still the one, who is waiting easy draws or ill-Kvitovas

Or Maria in finals. :angel:

deliverance.
Nov 16th, 2012, 07:47 PM
Barthel, Ivanovic, Kvitova, Goerges.

Radwanska? On TF she is underrated (because of haters), but everywhere apart Polish press she is rated good.

Chrissie-fan
Nov 16th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Radwanska? On TF she is underrated (because of haters), but everywhere apart Polish press she is rated good.
Radwanska has such good hands that she would probably at least be competitive in any era. Even in this era, the age of the power hitters, where the odds of someone with her particular set of skills doing well are against her she's still doing great.

danieln1
Nov 16th, 2012, 08:25 PM
Sharapova, Barthel, Errani

Kasey
Nov 16th, 2012, 08:27 PM
Radwanska - overated both by fans and WTA ranking

Miami final still hurts:kiss:

Oh and I gotta go with Lepchenko as the most overrated player this year.

NashaP
Nov 16th, 2012, 08:28 PM
Sharapova, Barthel, Errani

The winner of RG and queen of clay is overrated? ok......

End da Game
Nov 16th, 2012, 09:11 PM
radwanska, a weaponless pusher who only avoided an embarassing scoreline defeat at the wimbledon final due to serena choking

no-way will she get a slam, I doubt she will even reach another final because if the top 3 are playing anywhere above 70%, pushwanska is toast

NashaMasha
Nov 16th, 2012, 09:17 PM
Radwanska has such good hands that she would probably at least be competitive in any era. Even in this era, the age of the power hitters, where the odds of someone with her particular set of skills doing well are against her she's still doing great.

she is so successful because playing versus powerhitters on surface good to defend , she is perfect player designed for this era , a contemporary spoiler

She is absolutely useless against other creative players

sweetadri06
Nov 16th, 2012, 09:24 PM
The don't get how Barthel is overrated? she was doing quite well at the start of the season and gave Vika a run for her money twice. I'd say she has potential but nothing more at the moment.

Tag
Nov 16th, 2012, 10:08 PM
sharapova

Sisyphus
Nov 16th, 2012, 10:11 PM
Shitpova.

Brad[le]y.
Nov 16th, 2012, 10:14 PM
she is so successful because playing versus powerhitters on surface good to defend , she is perfect player designed for this era , a contemporary spoiler

She does better on faster surfaces though :shrug: Look at her record on clay.

Kasey
Nov 16th, 2012, 10:29 PM
y.;22485850']She does better on faster surfaces though :shrug: Look at her record on clay.

Nah, he's too blinded with the hate towards Aga and is basically incapable of getting to know anything about a player he bashes on.

Btw, have anyone told you how lovely your avie looks.
The JaJa'c fur cap is GORGEOUS.:inlove:
I even think of getting myself one.

NashaMasha
Nov 16th, 2012, 10:35 PM
y.;22485850']She does better on faster surfaces though :shrug: Look at her record on clay.


clay is not only slow, it's different ,

as for really fast courts , i don't know where can we find it in current tour?

When i speak about fast courts i speak about Sampras era

monmonito
Nov 16th, 2012, 10:49 PM
no other than MS, Ana Ivanovic :bounce:

Volcana
Nov 16th, 2012, 11:11 PM
Being 'over-rated' is a comment on the fans, not the players. (AND incidentally, it's IMPOSSIBLE to be 'over-ranked').

I'd have to say Kvitova, since she vastly under-performed expectation.

Radwanska, on the other hand, is in now way over-rated. Nobody but her fans considers her to be close to Sharapova or Azarenka, much less Serena.

OTOH, as 'best of the rest', who's her competition? Kerber, Errani, Li, Kvitova, Stosur, Wozniacki, Bartoli .... not exactly Murderer's Row. But, as I've said before, there was another player who won a slam young, then underperformed for the next couple years. Name of Williams. Had an older sister who could play a little too. Kvitova won't be Serena, but she could eventually rack up four or five slams, if she's motivated.

Chrissie-fan
Nov 17th, 2012, 12:14 AM
Radwanska, on the other hand, is in now way over-rated. Nobody but her fans considers her to be close to Sharapova or Azarenka, much less Serena.

I think that even her fans (except for a few trollish elements) wouldn't argue that she's as great as those three, so I don't see why she's overrated. Some who only enjoy watching hard hitters make two UE for every winner may not like the way she plays, but that doesn't make the least bit of difference in terms of how good she is. Her ranking (as usual) reflects the results she's had which were very good. I consider fourth best player in the world of the past year pretty impressive.

NashaMasha
Nov 17th, 2012, 12:16 AM
Some who only enjoy watching hard hitters make two UE for every winner

you can't win a match making one winner for 2 UE, unless you are playing versus Li Na

carretta
Nov 17th, 2012, 12:32 AM
Wozniacki
McHale
Peer
Pervak
Rezai

Depends on how you define overrated. Perhaps not Rezai for this year, more appropriate for last.

I don't see how people can pick Radwanska - she reached #2 and a slam final. I also don't see Kvitova, she finally performed well on hardcourts late in the season and her GS results were good.

TheLegendof
Nov 17th, 2012, 12:50 AM
Ana Ivanovic.

StoneRose
Nov 17th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Barthel, Ivanovic, Kvitova, Goerges.

Radwanska? On TF she is underrated (because of haters), but everywhere apart Polish press she is rated good.This. Ivanovic not so much, her fans are pretty realistic nowadays.

Mynarco
Nov 17th, 2012, 01:27 AM
Kvitova.

Craig.
Nov 17th, 2012, 01:29 AM
LOL at Maria being overrated THIS year. The last couple years, fine. But this year, I just don't see it.

My vote goes to the Real #2.

And NashaMasha, stop the trolling. It's not even entertaining, it's just annoying.

GoLdEnSeToV
Nov 17th, 2012, 01:31 AM
Ivanovic, Jankovic, Wickmayer, McHale, Lisicki, Pervak,

jaredlikesbieber
Nov 17th, 2012, 03:12 AM
radwanska is overrated cause she didn't win a grand slam despite being tipped to. at least kvitova, despite not having the best year, has won a slam.

Miracle Worker
Nov 17th, 2012, 08:13 AM
Radwanskas sisters.

gbenga
Nov 17th, 2012, 08:29 AM
Kvitova of course. I just don't see why all the hype.

Saraya!
Nov 17th, 2012, 08:43 AM
Kvitova of course. I just don't see why all the hype.

Yes. She and Errani.

N.M.
Nov 17th, 2012, 09:02 AM
Kvitova can play great game, she proved it especially in 2011, but also last year. I don't think she's that particularly overhyped? Just had a slower season, but still successful. We don't know if 2012's Kvitova (Vika) can mentally and physically keep up in 2013. Petra quite couldn't, but it's not something so very bad. She's still one of the top.

Also surely not Radwanska, she's pretty much hated on here. I don't see how someone insulted in every second post is over rated :facepalm:

I think it would be typically someone very pretty with nice, offensive, yet often erratic game, like Goerges or Kirilenko. They have good careers with ranks that reflect the abilities, but sometimes I bump into tweets like these two were good enough to win slams...

When to look at bookmakers' odds, Barthel and Robson are horribly overrated :lol: Mona at the beginning of the season, Laura after USO, like she already won that slam. Her odds in Asia were ridiculous for somebody this young and without major successes.

jj74
Nov 17th, 2012, 09:30 AM
Yes. She and Errani.

Errani overrated? you must be kidding. Everyone here saying she is just a lucky journeywoman. You don't see any hype about her, and the truth is she work hard and her results are really great.

Some people need to learn that there are a lot more ways to play tennis than bashing the ball with every stroke

Saraya!
Nov 17th, 2012, 09:48 AM
Errani overrated? you must be kidding. Everyone here saying she is just a lucky journeywoman. You don't see any hype about her, and the truth is she work hard and her results are really great.

Some people need to learn that there are a lot more ways to play tennis than bashing the ball with every stroke


What? More ways to play Tennis, sure..but please, stop the Errani-way...:p

jj74
Nov 17th, 2012, 09:52 AM
Some people seems to don't know what overrated means, when you expect big results for someone but reality is very different. When you are putting the player as favourite to win everything but she is lucky to reach the fourth round, that's being overrated.
The doesn't aply Errani in any way, in fact everybody is expecting her to lose at any round, but she reach almost everytime the final stages.

I know everybody has their taste on tennis games, and i perfectly undertand that not everybody is going to enjoy Errani's game (i'm not a big fan either), but she is not overrated by any means

Chrissie-fan
Nov 17th, 2012, 10:18 AM
Some people seems to don't know what overrated means, when you expect big results for someone but reality is very different. When you are putting the player as favourite to win everything but she is lucky to reach the fourth round, that's being overrated.
The doesn't aply Errani in any way, in fact everybody is expecting her to lose at any round, but she reach almost everytime the final stages.

I know everybody has their taste on tennis games, and i perfectly undertand that not everybody is going to enjoy Errani's game (i'm not a big fan either), but she is not overrated by any means
I agree. But it doesn't come as a surprise that most think that asking "who's the most overrated player" is identical to asking "which player do you like the least."

Monzanator
Nov 17th, 2012, 10:39 AM
Kvitova can play great game, she proved it especially in 2011, but also last year. I don't think she's that particularly overhyped? Just had a slower season, but still successful. We don't know if 2012's Kvitova (Vika) can mentally and physically keep up in 2013. Petra quite couldn't, but it's not something so very bad. She's still one of the top.


From 6 titles in 2011 (incl. Wimbledon and YEC) to just two in 2012 (and no GS final) that's not what I call a successful season. It would have been successful for an aspiring Top 10 player but not for someone who was supposed to be the new dominator and take over #1 from Wozniacki. Given the high expectations, Kvitova underperformed badly in 2012. Question remains whether underperfoming means the same as over-hyped?

bandabou
Nov 17th, 2012, 01:39 PM
Kvitova obviously totally disappointed this year. Had trouble beating top 10 players the whole year and lack of fitness is the most damning.

Jerem
Nov 17th, 2012, 05:36 PM
I agree. But it doesn't come as a surprise that most think that asking "who's the most overrated player" is identical to asking "which player do you like the least."
This :yeah:

And there is the obvious problem of the discussions in GM: a cruel lack of objectivity from many posters, poisoning the debates with endless childish statements without any kind of mind.

This notion of "overrated player" exists only in a subjective reasoning. No player can be truly 'overrated' as no judgement can be objectively true, so the question doesn't make sense :shrug:

Aryman3
Nov 17th, 2012, 08:58 PM
You may precisely answer who is over- and who is underrated by comparing systematically bettors expectations with real results.

acetoace
Nov 18th, 2012, 12:22 AM
The winner of RG and queen of clay is overrated? ok......



Queen of what? Yeah right....just like she was Queen of Grass, Queen of USO and Queen of AO, right or is she no longer queen of those surface according to her fans?? Dress her in borrowed robes all u want, but we all know who the Queen of them surfaces are and pova's name ain't even close to any of them. Can we talk of Henin, Venus, Kim Y Serena?

Wimbledon: Venus 6, Serena 5.
USO: Venus 2, Kim 3, Serena 4
AO: : Serena 5,
FO: : Henin 5

By your standard, a player who luckily win a slam on a surface is suddenly queen of that surface? Never mind that the ultimate prize of authority on any surface is the slam. Pova has never won more than 1 in her almost a decade on tour and has never, I mean NEVER defended any she won to date. Queen of Clay, huh? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Pova is the most overrated player ever!!

Tag
Nov 18th, 2012, 01:10 AM
sharapova is overrated because she has occasional good years when everyone is mostly injured or off form

when the best players (SERENA) are fit and competing, she loses

it's simple :shrug:

StoneRose
Nov 18th, 2012, 01:16 AM
I agree. But it doesn't come as a surprise that most think that asking "who's the most overrated player" is identical to asking "which player do you like the least."
Indeed, in general people here tend to give the same answer to different questions.

Brad[le]y.
Nov 18th, 2012, 06:10 AM
Do people actually know what overrated means? If so, then how the fuck are Radwanska and Errani overrated when every other poster thinks they're talentless scrubs?

Shvedbarilescu
Nov 18th, 2012, 08:35 AM
y.;22490596']Do people actually know what overrated means? If so, than how the fuck are Radwanska and Errani overrated when every other poster thinks they're talentless scrubs?

Yup. Errani especially. Infact she has to be the most underrated player in this forum by a big margin. No player this year has won more matches they were expected to lose than Errani. That is the best possible indication a player is underrated.

Find the player who has lost the most matches they were expected to win and you have the most overrated player. It's that simple.

SUPER
Nov 18th, 2012, 08:39 AM
Lisicki, Kvitova, Kanepi, Muguruza, Goerges, in that particular order.

DeucesAreWild
Nov 18th, 2012, 08:59 AM
Sam Stosur

Trickle
Nov 18th, 2012, 09:00 AM
You may precisely answer who is over- and who is underrated by comparing systematically bettors expectations with real results.

Yes. Using Matchstat's ranking... which allocates 100 units for a player when they are a favourite and 50 for when they are the underdog... the Top 10 play out like this...

Stosur -725
Kvitova -626
Wozniacki -520
Aga -5
Serena 323
Na 325
Azarenka 397
Sharapova 562
Errani 580
Kerber 1185


Sam is the most overestimated player whilst Angie is the most underestimated.

Kerbicz
Nov 18th, 2012, 09:06 AM
"Radwanska is equal to Del Potro" .... " Radwanska is real tennis" .... A number of tennis specialist like Matt Cronin and Steve Tignor are always overhyping her.

Steve Tignor and Matt Cronin are actual tennis specialists - contrary to biased and ignorant celebrity worshippers, a species now more and more common in tennis fora.

Kerbicz
Nov 18th, 2012, 01:52 PM
This is going to be a quite weird poll, as it outcome will contradict itself. Suppose that a player XX "wins", i.e. she's been voted the "most overrated" WTA player this year. This will show that XX is rated low by this forum. If she happens to be high-ranked (and remember that the ranking reflects players's on-court results and not subjective opinions) - then she'll be proven to be strongly underrated, at least by this site.:)

allhingis
Nov 18th, 2012, 02:27 PM
Sharapova, all the Germans

Temperenka
Nov 18th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Ivanovic. PER USUAL.

young_gunner913
Nov 18th, 2012, 05:58 PM
Sharapova & Kerber

Evan James
Nov 18th, 2012, 10:00 PM
Sara Errani, No. 6... Come on. I have nothing against this girl, but I really don't understand how she reached No. 6 on WTA.

joeh37
Nov 18th, 2012, 10:56 PM
Shvedova golden set, so what?

Torro-Flor impressive win streak no doubt, but Dellaqua had a similar one. You're both still irrelevant. Off of clay you were eaten alive by distinctly average players like Morita and Kostova.

Barthel, post hardcourt there was nothing impressive. I recall her being the real number two....:tape:

Shvedbarilescu
Nov 18th, 2012, 11:23 PM
Sara Errani, No. 6... Come on. I have nothing against this girl, but I really don't understand how she reached No. 6 on WTA.

She won 4 tournaments. She also won more Grand Slam matches than any other on the tour other than Serena, Azarenka and Sharapova.

The fact that you don't understand how she reached number 6 in the rankings don't think she deserved that position rather supports the view that she is underrated.

Petkorazzi
Nov 18th, 2012, 11:30 PM
I can't believe someone mentioned Lepchenko :sobbing: I think people need to realize that overrated and overranked are not the same, and in Varvara's case, they are exactly the opposite. :lol:

Chrissie-fan
Nov 19th, 2012, 12:18 AM
I can't believe someone mentioned Lepchenko :sobbing: I think people need to realize that overrated and overranked are not the same, and in Varvara's case, they are exactly the opposite. :lol:
Nobody is ever overranked anyway because players don't get ranking points as the result of a public vote but have to earn them week in week out on the tour.

iGOAT
Nov 19th, 2012, 03:59 AM
Julia Görges… Everyone still talks about her as a future talent with major potential. I'm not saying it isn't true but she did ZERO to show that in 2012 (and really since winning Stuttgart).

sweetadri06
Nov 19th, 2012, 04:10 AM
Sara Errani, No. 6... Come on. I have nothing against this girl, but I really don't understand how she reached No. 6 on WTA.

Australian Open QF, French RU,Wimbledon 3R, Us Open SF and 4 titles probably have something to do with it.....

JamieOwen3
Nov 19th, 2012, 04:29 AM
Sharapova, she reached the final of 2 slams winning one and the olympic final another slam SF and the YEC Final. Didn't lose b4 the QF of any tournament apart from Wimbledon won 3 titles in all so yeah I'd go with that overrated bitch..... :rolleyes:

Mugria
Nov 19th, 2012, 06:39 AM
Maria could win every WTA tournament and maybe even some ATP ones and she'd still be overrated

Smith Saybrook
Nov 19th, 2012, 07:06 AM
Barthel during the first part of the year hands down. Sort of a more successful Jovanovski hype that happened the year previously.

Even though she made two finals I say Goerges too. Anytime she has any sort of hype people start wetting themselves, but she'll forever be this streaky sort of player in my opinion.

jetglo
Nov 19th, 2012, 08:05 AM
Some people seems to not know what overrated means, when you expect big results for someone but reality is very different. When you are putting the player as favourite to win everything but she is lucky to reach the fourth round, that's being overrated.
The doesn't aply Errani in any way, in fact everybody is expecting her to lose at any round, but she reach almost everytime the final stages.

I know everybody has their taste on tennis games, and i perfectly undertand that not everybody is going to enjoy Errani's game (i'm not a big fan either), but she is not overrated by any means

Correct, yet some here consider if a player is injured for a significant length of time and doesn't play, and struggles for form and touch when they do finally return, this somehow still qualifies as them being over-rated. What sort of results would you expect from a player you know isn't playing a tournament? Could someone who misses 4 tournaments in a row be accused of under-performing when there's been no performance at all?

When it comes to "all the Germans", Petkovic was out most of the season, Barthel struggled with a foot injury for months following Stuttgart which derailed her season, Lisicki was injured for significant parts of the season and then lacked match fitness as a result, yet they're supposed to be "over-rated because of these injuries? What a joke!


Julia Görges… Everyone still talks about her as a future talent with major potential. I'm not saying it isn't true but she did ZERO to show that in 2012 (and really since winning Stuttgart).

If you actually watched her matches this year you wouldn't be making such a stupid statement.

C. Drone
Nov 19th, 2012, 09:14 AM
Kerber, overranked and overrated. Half of her top10 wins this year are flukes.

Kvitova, constantly. And right now she is 4th odds favorite to win AO, probably because of the weak field.

lenas warriors
Nov 19th, 2012, 11:15 AM
Stosur, Kvitty-goat (she deserves this dishonour), Ivanovic, part time Kimmie.

Aga has a shout for her post Wimbledon run but not for before that.