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Sam L
Nov 8th, 2012, 09:19 AM
(CNN) -- French ministers grappled Wednesday with the issue of same-sex marriage and adoption rights as the Cabinet approved a draft bill in the face of fierce resistance from the Roman Catholic Church and social conservatives.
Extending the right to marry and adopt to same-sex couples was one of President Francois Hollande's electoral pledges in campaigning this year.
The bill is expected to go before the National Assembly and Senate in January, and is likely to be voted on in February or March. If passed, it would mark the biggest step forward for French gay rights advocates in more than a decade.
The office of Dominique Bertinotti, minister for family affairs in Hollande's Socialist government, confirmed the bill had been presented to and approved by ministers Wednesday morning.
An opinion poll released Wednesday by polling group Ifop and Le Monde newspaper found 65% of those surveyed support equal marriage rights for same-sex couples -- a clear majority of the population.
However, opinion on the question of adoption rights for same-sex couples is split almost down the middle, with 52% in favor, according to the Ifop-Le Monde survey conducted October 29-31.
Cardinal Andre Vingt-Trois, the archbishop of Paris, voiced his opposition to the proposed legislation at a meeting of French bishops in Lourdes over the weekend.
Opening up marriage to same-sex couples "would be a transformation of marriage that would affect everyone," he said.
At the same time, failing to recognize gender difference within marriage and the family would be a "deceit" that would rock the foundations of society and lead to discrimination between children, he said.
Other religious groups in France, including Muslims, Jews and Buddhists, have also expressed their concern over the draft bill, and more than 100 lawmakers are against the legislation, according to CNN affiliate BFM-TV. Hundreds of mayors around the country have also voiced their opposition to the bill.
However, it has won wide backing from gay rights advocates.
The French gay, lesbian and transgender rights group Inter-LGBT said the law, if passed, "would be a major advance for our country in terms of equality of rights."
Lawmakers have a "unique opportunity" to put an end to outdated discrimination, the group said in an online statement. "The law must allow all couples to unite themselves as they wish and must protect all families, without discrimination on the grounds of sexual orientation or gender identity," it said.
The group has called for supporters to rally in front of the National Assembly in Paris on Wednesday evening.
Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault has said the proposed changes are a matter of justice and equality that reflect the evolving nature of society.
Other divisive questions such as whether same-sex couples should have the right to free reproductive assistance, and the rights of same-sex couples who aren't married to adopt will be tackled in a "complementary law" on the family, he said, allowing further debate on the issue.
A law legalizing civil unions was introduced in 1999 in France under a previous Socialist government.
Known in France as the PACS (pacte civil de solidarite), the civil union agreement can be entered into by gay or straight couples and confers many but not all of the rights of marriage.
In elections in the United States on Tuesday, the states of Maine and Maryland became the first to approve same-sex marriage through a popular vote in referendums on the question.
Thirty-eight U.S. states have passed bans on marriages between people of the same gender, mostly by amending their constitutions to define marriage as the union between a man and a woman. In those states where same-sex couples had previously won the right to marry, it was because of action by legislators or judges.


http://edition.cnn.com/2012/11/07/world/europe/france-marriage-rights/index.html

Vive la France! :bounce:

debby
Nov 8th, 2012, 11:27 AM
The butthurt of right wing people is so enjoyable :drool: :drool: :drool: they are comparing gay people to zoophilia, incest, pedophilia sometimes....

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Lord Choc Ice
Nov 8th, 2012, 11:47 AM
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frenchie
Nov 8th, 2012, 12:59 PM
The butthurt of right wing people is so enjoyable :drool: :drool: :drool: they are comparing gay people to zoophilia, incest, pedophilia sometimes....

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I'm definitely from the right wing but I support same-sex marriage....

debby
Nov 8th, 2012, 01:00 PM
I'm definitely from the right wing but I support same-sex marriage....

Well you are from the minority sadly. I am just talking about Dassault, Copé, etc. who are all butthurt :oh:

Mynarco
Nov 8th, 2012, 01:14 PM
Well done France

KournikovaFan91
Nov 8th, 2012, 02:13 PM
Finally, France seem so late on this, normally they would be considered a very socially liberal country, although I guess it was Sarko or some right wing bullshit holding them back. I'm not that well versed on French politics.

debby
Nov 8th, 2012, 02:30 PM
Finally, France seem so late on this, normally they would be considered a very socially liberal country, although I guess it was Sarko or some right wing bullshit holding them back. I'm not that well versed on French politics.

Jospin was Chirac's prime minister from 1997 to 2002, he initiated the PACS (in the article, it's mentioned : A law legalizing civil unions was introduced in 1999 in France under a previous Socialist government. ). He used to be against the gay marriage in 2004, saying it was denaturing the essence of the marriage. He changed his mind later (2006-2007), partly convinced by his wife, and partly he got more open-minded with time.
Now, he is totally pro-gay marriage.

After Jospin in 2002, it was 10 years of Chirac, Sarkozy, right wing politics.... It was out of question to talk about gay marriage, especially with Sarkozy.

In 2007, Royal wanted to legalize the gay marriage, but lost to Sarkozy (I guess because she is a woman, maybe France was not ready yet, plus she said some BS). Then, this year, Hollande made it as a huge promise in his program, and as he got elected, promised it would be applied in 2013.

Funnily enough, the right wing, after Sarkozy's departure, has to elect their new leader. Jean-François Copé is 100% against it, he even said that if he was president in 2017, he would abrogate the gay marriage law :help: OTOH, François Fillon is such a coward :rolls: He said he was against gay marriage but as it was gonna be voted by the representants of the people, then he would accept it and would not abrogate the law, even if he won 2017 elections. :lol: He doesn't want to admit he doesn't care at all.

Elwin.
Nov 8th, 2012, 02:37 PM
France :yeah:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/World_homosexuality_laws.svg/800px-World_homosexuality_laws.svg.png

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Still a long way to go...

debby
Nov 8th, 2012, 02:40 PM
Up to death... :o Sad.

ElusiveChanteuse
Nov 8th, 2012, 02:44 PM
I see orange.:oh:

Mynarco
Nov 8th, 2012, 03:32 PM
Is that Malaysia? Ouch. But not Indonesia?

KournikovaFan91
Nov 8th, 2012, 04:56 PM
Argentina - Cristina Fernandez shows you bitches how its done :hearts:

ptkten
Nov 8th, 2012, 05:35 PM
Nice to see some blue filled in on the U.S. map. Almost the entire northeast now has same-sex marriage.

KournikovaFan91
Nov 8th, 2012, 05:47 PM
South Africa is so odd compared with its neighbours I'm glad but most of the rest of Anglo-Africa has awful LGBT rights records.

charmedRic
Nov 8th, 2012, 07:09 PM
way to go Francia!

kwilliams
Nov 9th, 2012, 12:12 AM
France :yeah:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/53/World_homosexuality_laws.svg/800px-World_homosexuality_laws.svg.png

http://i47.tinypic.com/3010col.jpg
Still a long way to go...

I look at Ireland and shake my head. Then I look at Italy and just face palm.

I believe we won't have full marriage in Ireland until 2015 (probably at the earliest) last summer the government decided to put the proposal back by a year (why!?) even though public support for full marriage is over 73% (it was over 86% for civil partnerships and that was before they were introduced, I'm sure that figure would be a little higher now) Wish the government would hurry up!

Anyway, well done France but you have to keep going!

delicatecutter
Nov 9th, 2012, 12:21 AM
I look at Ireland and shake my head. Then I look at Italy and just face palm.

I believe we won't have full marriage in Ireland until 2015 (probably at the earliest) last summer the government decided to put the proposal back by a year (why!?) even though public support for full marriage is over 73% (it was over 86% for civil partnerships and that was before they were introduced, I'm sure that figure would be a little higher now) Wish the government would hurry up!

Anyway, well done France but you have to keep going!

Glad to hear this! :yeah:

And well done France! :worship:

Sam L
Dec 17th, 2012, 09:49 AM
France gay marriage push gathers pace

TENS of thousands of demonstrators have turned out in France to show support for the government's plans to legalise gay marriage and adoption.
Organisers said 150,000 people gathered in Paris at the Place de la Bastille for the “demonstration for equality”. Police said 60,000 took part.
They have called for another demo on January 27, two days before the French parliament is to debate the gay marriage bill.
Several elected officials wearing their tri-coloured sashes could be seen alongside parents pushing strollers and children with multi-coloured balloons at the Sunday event.
Carrying banners reading “Equal rights are not a threat” and “The right for all to choose”, demonstrators urged the government to push ahead with the reform.
“I think marriage is good for everyone!” said 10-year-old Arthur, at the rally with his eight-year-old sister Lola and their two mothers.
One of them, Christelle, said it was unfortunate that the debate over gay marriage in France had turned ugly in recent months.
“For the first time our children have experienced homophobia that shocked them,” she said, adding that this only “makes me want to fight even harder for gay marriage”.
Several thousand people took to the streets of the southwestern city of Toulouse to protest homophobia and call for equal rights for gays.
And rallies drawing thousands were held in other French cities including Marseille, Lyon and Nantes on Saturday to back the reform.
France's parliament is to debate the government-backed “marriage for all” bill early next year.
With President Francois Hollande's Socialists enjoying a strong majority, the bill is expected to pass despite vehement opposition from the right and religious groups.
Mass opposition marches took place across the country last month to denounce the bill, and opponents, including some prominent church leaders, have said gay marriage will open the door to polygamy and incest.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/france-gay-marriage-push-gathers-pace/story-e6frg6so-1226538135972

I was in Toulouse a few months ago. :hearts:

KournikovaFan91
Dec 17th, 2012, 10:21 AM
I look at Ireland and shake my head. Then I look at Italy and just face palm.

I believe we won't have full marriage in Ireland until 2015 (probably at the earliest) last summer the government decided to put the proposal back by a year (why!?) even though public support for full marriage is over 73% (it was over 86% for civil partnerships and that was before they were introduced, I'm sure that figure would be a little higher now) Wish the government would hurry up!

Anyway, well done France but you have to keep going!


The Labour Party are a joke, what exactly have they gotten out of the coalition, yeah nothing :rolleyes: There pandering to FG and the right will be the kiss of death for them come the next election.

FG are just walking disasters as usual :tape: Honestly the entire Irish political landscape is a farce.

From that global map its interesting to see the former British colonies are the most oppressive in Africa and Belize, Guyana and the English speaking Caribbean. Aside from Islamic countries obviously.