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pov
Oct 4th, 2012, 03:20 PM
The others are Azarenka, Sharapova, Williams, Radwanska, Kerber, Errani and most likely Li. A tough field IMO. How do you see things playing out with Kvitova?

Excelscior
Oct 4th, 2012, 03:36 PM
Lawd Have Mercy, who knows. :eek: :lol: :eek:

As they would say in the NFL, "we have no decent film" of/on her.

Your guess, is as good as ours. Hopefully, she can get into a warm up tournament, and do well there and have some carry over.

ShiftyFella
Oct 4th, 2012, 03:46 PM
If Kvitty is at least 95% ready she can easily win against Errani, Kirbi, Aga. I don't believe she can easily dominate VikaZilla like it was last year since she is in superb form and way more stronger mentally, with NaNa matches always tough and fun so Petra out of her generosity can give game to her BFF or it could be other way around, Rena looks like she's done with her season so probably won't show up but if she shows up it would be for blood and Petra needs her last YEC form to have a chance to beat her, only against Shoulderpova i can't predict how match would go

Petronius
Oct 4th, 2012, 05:26 PM
Given the current situation I would be very satisfied if she made the semis.

18majors
Oct 4th, 2012, 05:59 PM
Given the current situation I would be very satisfied if she made the semis.

Petra's 2012 season has been one biggest mystery book.

Petronius
Oct 4th, 2012, 06:17 PM
Petra's 2012 season has been one biggest mystery book.

Couldn't agree more. But let's be honest, one of the reasons is that other players have played slightly better than they did in 2011 - especially Serena, Maria and Azarenka - while Petra's level has slightly dropped.

pov
Oct 4th, 2012, 07:23 PM
Yeah I agree with all that it's a "who knows". We don't even know which Flying Leaf will show up. Still . . where's the fun in leaving it at that. :)

I decide to start with H2Hs for 2011 & 2012, hard-courts only.


2012
Azarenka 0-0
Sharapova 0-1
Williams 0-0
Radwanska 0-0
Kerber 0-1
Errani 2-0
Li 1-1

2011
Azarenka 1-0
Sharapova 1(ret.)-0
Williams 0-0
Radwanska 1-0
Kerber 0-0
Errani 0-0
Li 0-0

Excelscior
Oct 5th, 2012, 12:05 AM
Couldn't agree more. But let's be honest, one of the reasons is that other players have played slightly better than they did in 2011 - especially Serena, Maria and Azarenka - while Petra's level has slightly dropped.

How can you say Petra's level dropped off slightly, when she played some lights out tennis last year? We just didn't see that this year.

It was more than slight. Petra had the usual drop off/transition that so many first time slam (and to the spotlight) winners experience.

And neither Sharapova or Serena was injured last year; though I know what you mean.

Serena just didn't play enough last year (coming off her time off). She can't get away with that now. So she's found a nice balance. We'll see how she does next year?

Sharapova, just got blown off the court, on a surface that suits Petra better than Sharapova (grass). You notice Sharapova got blown off the court at Wimby again, by another capable grass courter in Lisicki? Petra lost to Serena, the eventual winner. Big difference. Plus, Petra beat Sharapova again in Tokyo, albeit by retirement, when she was leading. So it's not fair for you to keep saying that. Petra earned her titles last year.

Next year is a new year. And I'm not expecting to see the same players in the top 4 again (nor Aza, Sharpie, Aga and maybe even Serena having similar years).

We'll see?

bruce goose
Oct 5th, 2012, 06:07 AM
It's doubtful that anyone will like this idea:lol:,but I've been thinking about some changes to YEC that might prevent some of the exhausting,jet-hopping that some talented gals do at the end of the year...leaving them so spent that they can hardly stand up straight for YEC.How about a system where the Top 4 get a sort of 1st-round bye,with a single elimination stage for players #5 thru 12 to determine who got the other four spots for the 8-player RR??(This doesn't cement the subjective assertion that 8 is the ideal RR number...or that Round Robin is even the most desirable format to lead to the semis)

Sure,you'd still have gals hoarding tournaments and wearing themselves out to get the #11 and 12 spots for YEC but,the way I see it,the players in those ranking spots probably aren't YEC-winning material anyway.The gals between #5 and 10 would have a little more of a cushion to safely skip a tourney here and there while still qualifying(we saw how Petra made it w/o too much sweat,regardless),so they'd be physically sharper to provide comoetitive matches for the big,special year-ender.......Having thought this all through with true thoroughness:angel:,but I felt it was worth putting out there

Excelscior
Oct 5th, 2012, 12:12 PM
Just like at the US OPen, Petra blew her chances to gain points on the people above her.

Aga lost in the 4th rd (if I'm correct) and lost 750 pts. Aga also lost early and lost points in Tokyo as well. Just like the US Open, Petra didn't take advantage, by losing before expected. Of course she had a virus in Beijing, so I guess we have to give her a pass there. I don't expect Aga to be in the top 4 next year.

Not sure if Petra's going to play a warm up event. But if not, she'll loose points from Linz, and she can't gain any points at YEC, only replace or lose.

ShiftyFella
Oct 5th, 2012, 01:29 PM
How can you say Petra's level dropped off slightly, when she played some lights out tennis last year? We just didn't see that this year.

It was more than slight. Petra had the usual drop off/transition that so many first time slam (and to the spotlight) winners experience.

And neither Sharapova or Serena was injured last year; though I know what you mean.

Serena just didn't play enough last year (coming off her time off). She can't get away with that now. So she's found a nice balance. We'll see how she does next year?

Sharapova, just got blown off the court, on a surface that suits Petra better than Sharapova (grass). You notice Sharapova got blown off the court at Wimby again, by another capable grass courter in Lisicki? Petra lost to Serena, the eventual winner. Big difference. Plus, Petra beat Sharapova again in Tokyo, albeit by retirement, when she was leading. So it's not fair for you to keep saying that. Petra earned her titles last year.

Next year is a new year. And I'm not expecting to see the same players in the top 4 again (nor Aza, Sharpie, Aga and maybe even Serena having similar years).

We'll see?
I don't think Petra's level dropped, she just never taken opportunities into her own hands, she had some real chances of winning GSs this year but failed to capitalize them

mac47
Oct 6th, 2012, 02:31 AM
Petra's level is nowhere near 2011. The extra weight and illnesses have not helped either.

She will not win YEC this year, and will be lucky to make semis. Ad she will certainly not beat Pova or Serena.

Hoping I'm wrong.

bruce goose
Oct 6th, 2012, 05:53 AM
Petra's level is nowhere near 2011. The extra weight and illnesses have not helped either.There WAS a legit improvement from Petra on N.A. hardcourts,but that improvement was undercut by horrendous schedule planning by Petra and her team

Excelscior
Oct 6th, 2012, 12:00 PM
There WAS a legit improvement from Petra on N.A. hardcourts,but that improvement was undercut by horrendous schedule planning by Petra and her team

But what does that NA improvement means, if she bombs out in the first rd of Tokyo--to a player that hadn't won tow matches in a row since May? Did Petra just play well (before that embarrassing exit vs her recent pawn Bartoli) to prove something to herself? SMH. :scratch:

Yeah, you can say it's Asia. But considering she didn't know she was going to be sick in China, now she's screwed, cause she may not have any legitimate warm up for the YEC (if Linz or one of the other tournaments don't break through), and she may be lucky to win two matches.

Unless I'm not correct, Petra's now ranked 6th. And if Petra tried/cared just a little (or was better prepared) against Bartoli and in Tokyo and China), she could be the 4th ranked player right now, heading into YEC.

Oh well. :lol: :tape: :lol:

bruce goose
Oct 6th, 2012, 01:55 PM
But what does that NA improvement means, if she bombs out in the first rd of Tokyo--to a player that hadn't won tow matches in a row since May?Well,judging by her own words,Petra's confidence on NA HC was so low that she felt that she needed NH even after winning RC and reaching a Cincy SF. That's a bit hard for me to fathom,but that's not as perplexing as the brainfart by her team when they didn't stop her from the suicidal attempt at playing five straight weeks w/o rest.

In retrospect,though,I think/hope that Petra will reflect on the improvement in her on-court results and feel better about herself going into next season's NA HC swing.As we've already seen,Petra is not yet consistent enough to always carry over a hot streak from one tourney to the next....one more reason why consulting with Navrat on mental prep might make a huge difference in Petra's becoming a consistent,dominant player

Excelscior
Oct 7th, 2012, 01:47 PM
Some fleeting thoughts:

As I watch Sharapova get her butt kicked again (Sharapova loses 6-3 6-1, with horrible stats from both players), it really makes me laugh that Petra has lost three in a row to her.

And before Petronius can tell us how great Sharpie's been this year--compared to last year (though she can't beat seem to beat Vika, Serena and sometimes Aga and Kerber), the Australian Open wasn't like that. Not at all.

Sharapova was very fortunate she won that match. Even Sharapova fans said "Petra deserved" or "should of won that match". Kvitova only converted about 3 of 14 BP's (if I remember correctly), in a three set match, where she just seemed to give up at the end, following many close calls and numerous near break situations.

Yes, Petra was more comprehensively beaten at the French Open. No arguments there. But her lack of experience and preparation clearly showed in that Sharapova match at the Australian Open.

Shame! Cause Masha has so many exposable flaws in her game (for a top ranked player to exploit).

There's a reason why Masha couldn't win a final for such a long time (pressure), and why she seems to get her butt handed to her time and time again in these big matches (lack of skill level/ability to the competition). Petra tapped into those during Wimby (not including the surface--grass-- of course), and almost did at the Australian. But ever since Stuttgart, it's been down hill. :lol:

Hopefully there's a chance in 2013, or even the YEC, for Petra to start to reverse this recent almost-trend. When top players play well--or well on faster surfaces vs Masha, they make her look like a mug.

bruce goose
Oct 7th, 2012, 05:21 PM
Ex,it's time for you to come out of the closet and admit what intense affection you have for Big Masha...how you dream of being her personal hot-tub masseur:p.

All joking aside,though,she doesn't need the money that much so I think it's some sign of respect that she agreed to face Petra in that exhibition right in the CR.I can't imagine her going to Serbia to play one of the mental cases...or the UK to play one of the young whippersnappers(not unless there were a huge,international,promotional push).In a way,it's an acknowledgment that Petra is a very legit rival...one capable of supplanting her,really....and one of the crown jewels of the WTA's future

Petronius
Oct 7th, 2012, 05:24 PM
Petra's level is nowhere near 2011.

How can you say Petra's level dropped off slightly, when she played some lights out tennis last year? We just didn't see that this year.

:confused:

You definitely overestimate Petra's 2011. It's not like she was a 3-slam champion last year, consistently making semis or finals at all tournaments and ending the season with over 10,000 ranking points and three wins over a healthy Serena.

The fact is that in 2011, Petra reached the semifinals at just one of the 4 slams and had very poor results at many other tournaments (IW, Miami, Nassau, Dubai, Beijing etc.). You also forget that she won Wimbledon without beating Serena, who had straight-setted her in 2010 and then showed her who's the boss again in 2012. BTW, Serena, coming from a serious injury, was beaten by Bartoli, who had been too strong for Petra in the Eastbourne final a week ago.

In addition, Petra was actually one of the weakest Players of the Year in recent years, winning just one slam and ending the year with less than 7,500 points, with her ranking significantly inflated by her season-ending 1,500 points from her YEC win in the absence of Serena and healthy Sharapova.

In fact, she needed three sets in both YEC semi and finals and her coach had to help her on court when she had blown or almost blown 5-0 leads in both matches.

This year, she has improved her year-on-year results at 3 out of 4 slams and has improved big her US summer hardcourt record so saying that her level has dropped huge is simply not true.

Both in 2011 and 2012, Petra was far from being a dominant WTA player or a multi-slam champion and therefore there's a lot to look forward to as this talented young player works on her game and gets better. :)

Excelscior
Oct 7th, 2012, 11:02 PM
:confused:

You definitely overestimate Petra's 2011. It's not like she was a 3-slam champion last year, consistently making semis or finals at all tournaments and ending the season with over 10,000 ranking points and three wins over a healthy Serena.

The fact is that in 2011, Petra reached the semifinals at just one of the 4 slams and had very poor results at many other tournaments (IW, Miami, Nassau, Dubai, Beijing etc.). You also forget that she won Wimbledon without beating Serena, who had straight-setted her in 2010 and then showed her who's the boss again in 2012. BTW, Serena, coming from a serious injury, was beaten by Bartoli, who had been too strong for Petra in the Eastbourne final a week ago.

In addition, Petra was actually one of the weakest Players of the Year in recent years, winning just one slam and ending the year with less than 7,500 points, with her ranking significantly inflated by her season-ending 1,500 points from her YEC win in the absence of Serena and healthy Sharapova.

In fact, she needed three sets in both YEC semi and finals and her coach had to help her on court when she had blown or almost blown 5-0 leads in both matches.

This year, she has improved her year-on-year results at 3 out of 4 slams and has improved big her US summer hardcourt record so saying that her level has dropped huge is simply not true.

Both in 2011 and 2012, Petra was far from being a dominant WTA player or a multi-slam champion and therefore there's a lot to look forward to as this talented young player works on her game and gets better. :)

I think you are confused/don't understand, while it's so clear (and I've mentioned this before).

Essentially Petra traded better tournament to tournament consistency THIS YEAR (though she can still be much better at it) in 2012, compared to less consistency and better top end play in 2011. That's what happened.

At no time during 2012 did Petra play better than she did at (especially when it counted) at Wimbledon, Madrid, Fed Cup and the YEC. Ditto with her Clijsters match in Paris (and other matches like that). Notice, I'm NOT talking talking about Petra's results per se. I'm speaking about her actual level of play.

I'll take Petra's year last year, over THIS years "better consistency" any time (comparing the years, though it wouldn't be an improvement on consistency).

I noticed many knowledgeable non Petra fans (or at least not clearly as such) here on TF mention the same thing. It's been pretty clear, so I thought it would have been self explanatory.

And I don't see how an analysis, mini rant regarding Sharapova (eventually relating to Petra), turned into re-summation of Petra's year. Lol.

paulmara
Oct 9th, 2012, 06:10 PM
Can somebody translate what is Petra talking about in the video she posted on facebook, please!

Petra visited a mini fashion show of her sponsor Steilmann in Prague … She will train more often with male hitting partners … „they return more balls“ ..., about training : service, return and net play ... she will be staying at Intercontinental during Fed cup … "Martic served very well and was very aggressive" … About Suarez Navaro match : "I had diarrhea in the morning and after the match I vomited."

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis/131191/video-uz-jsem-zdrava-hlasi-kvitova-a-vyhlizi-konec-roku-jako-loni.html
http://www.tenisportal.cz/zpravy/volno-pred-turnajem-mistryn-mi-prospeje-veri-kvitova-10985/
http://www.rozhlas.cz/zpravy/tenis/_zprava/tenistku-petru-kvitovou-cekaji-dva-vrcholy-sezony--1121103

Excelscior
Oct 9th, 2012, 07:40 PM
Petra visited a mini fashion show of her sponsor Steilmann in Prague … She will train more often with men hitting partners … „they return more balls“ ..., about training : service, return and net play ... she will be staying at Intercontinental during Fed cup … "Martic served very well and was very aggressive" … About Suarez Navaro match : "I had diarrhea in the morning and after the match I vomited."

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis/131191/video-uz-jsem-zdrava-hlasi-kvitova-a-vyhlizi-konec-roku-jako-loni.html
http://www.tenisportal.cz/zpravy/volno-pred-turnajem-mistryn-mi-prospeje-veri-kvitova-10985/
http://www.rozhlas.cz/zpravy/tenis/_zprava/tenistku-petru-kvitovou-cekaji-dva-vrcholy-sezony--1121103

Duh!?

Did it take Petra and her team that long to figure that out? This is what I mean: Keystone Cops/The Gang that can't shoot straight. You're kidding me? :lol:

Even if Petra says, "it's for the YEC, you know better players are there". OK. But eventually, even in a regular tournament, you're going to face a Serena, Vika (not that she's played her) or Sharapova--if everyone keeps winning.

That's who you need to practice your serve, returns, ground strokes and volleys for. Can't she pay some smuck $40,000 a year to travel with her (or that's a "No No" with Adam)? Of course you can use them per hire, but you don't get the same consistency in every particular area, depending on what you're working on. But it's still better than no one or trying to scrap up Li Na.

I think this has been one of her problems this year (regarding errors, foot work, lack of consistency and execution, ROS problems), facing Sharapova and Serena, and even some scrubs early. There's no regular male hitting partner.

It doesn't mean that you're going to always beat those players (of course there can be other co-mitigating factors). But at least you get used to the pace and serve, by playing against someone that hit's just as hard, if not harder than they do, as you try to implement your game plan, tactics and new touches/improvements to your game. Obviously with the scrubs in the early around, its' just the consistency (or even practicing an area they excel in, that could give Petra particular trouble) where it can help.

And the less said about that Martic match (she of the horrendous record since May), the better. Please stop Petra. :lol:

I gather by her practice comments, she's FOCUSING on her serve, return and volleys (cause of course, I would hope she would always practice those things). Hopefully, she'll hit with more topspin, deep, corner to corner with more angles, like she did last year during her rally's, before the volley or ground stroke winner. "Ahhh Petra (hands in the air)". SMH.

We'll see?

netphobia
Oct 9th, 2012, 07:42 PM
Playing with guys is completely different than when you hit with girls – more topspin, deeper more powerful shots and ESPECIALLY more of the topspin-looper type shots that force you to hit w/open stance. Lots of girls hit flatter and tend to put the ball more in the "strike zone" so to speak (somewhere between base/service line) and it's harder to practice hitting off balance, off your wrong foot, etc. etc. – so I really hope she can have a consistent hitting partner.

Serena has a guy hitting partner right? Which has probably helped Serena greatly w/control, power, and reaction time as well since a lot of guys have longer reach/better athleticism.

Playing with guys always scares me :scared: I'm just like WHAT? HOW TOPSPIN??

Guys' overheads/serves are always really powerful as well. So I can't lob them at the net and if I do by accident I just back up and try not to get hit. :lol:

steni
Oct 9th, 2012, 10:15 PM
Duh!?

Did it take Petra and her team that long to figure that out? This is what I mean: Keystone Cops/The Gang that can't shoot straight. You're kidding me? :lol:

Even if Petra says, "it's for the YEC, you know better players are there". OK. But eventually, even in a regular tournament, you're going to face a Serena, Vika (not that she's played her) or Sharapova--if everyone keeps winning.

That's who you need to practice your serve, returns, ground strokes and volleys for. Can't she pay some smuck $40,000 a year to travel with her (or that's a "No No" with Adam)? Of course you can use them per hire, but you don't get the same consistency in every particular area, depending on what you're working on. But it's still better than no one or trying to scrap up Li Na.

I think this has been one of her problems this year (regarding errors, foot work, lack of consistency and execution, ROS problems), facing Sharapova and Serena, and even some scrubs early. There's no regular male hitting partner.

It doesn't mean that you're going to always beat those players (of course there can be other co-mitigating factors). But at least you get used to the pace and serve, by playinhg against someone that hit's just as hard, if not harder than they do, as you try to implement your game plan, tactics and new touches/improvements to your game. Obviously with the scrubs in the early around, its' just the consistency (or even practicing an area they excel in, that could give Petra particular trouble) where it can help.

And the less said about that Martic match (she of the horrendous record since May), the better. Please stop Petra. :lol:

I gather by her practice comments, she's FOCUSING on her serve, return and volleys (cause of course, I would hope she would always practice those things). Hopefully, she'll hit with more topspin, deep, corner to corner with more angles, like she did last year during her rally's, before the volley or ground stroke winner. "Ahhh Petra (hands in the air)". SMH.

We'll see?

You meant Kotyza! This is dumb he is the coach he should know better about the adventages of a male hitting partners since long time ago!

steni
Oct 9th, 2012, 10:16 PM
Petra visited a mini fashion show of her sponsor Steilmann in Prague … She will train more often with men hitting partners … „they return more balls“ ..., about training : service, return and net play ... she will be staying at Intercontinental during Fed cup … "Martic served very well and was very aggressive" … About Suarez Navaro match : "I had diarrhea in the morning and after the match I vomited."

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis/131191/video-uz-jsem-zdrava-hlasi-kvitova-a-vyhlizi-konec-roku-jako-loni.html
http://www.tenisportal.cz/zpravy/volno-pred-turnajem-mistryn-mi-prospeje-veri-kvitova-10985/
http://www.rozhlas.cz/zpravy/tenis/_zprava/tenistku-petru-kvitovou-cekaji-dva-vrcholy-sezony--1121103

Thank you Paulmara, you the best:yeah:

mac47
Oct 9th, 2012, 10:38 PM
Part of me thinks Petra has had a really crappy year with her body and health, and she'll come roaring back 2013.

PetraReeMona
Oct 9th, 2012, 11:21 PM
Petra visited a mini fashion show of her sponsor Steilmann in Prague … She will train more often with men hitting partners … „they return more balls“ ..., about training : service, return and net play ... she will be staying at Intercontinental during Fed cup … "Martic served very well and was very aggressive" … About Suarez Navaro match : "I had diarrhea in the morning and after the match I vomited."

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis/131191/video-uz-jsem-zdrava-hlasi-kvitova-a-vyhlizi-konec-roku-jako-loni.html
http://www.tenisportal.cz/zpravy/volno-pred-turnajem-mistryn-mi-prospeje-veri-kvitova-10985/
http://www.rozhlas.cz/zpravy/tenis/_zprava/tenistku-petru-kvitovou-cekaji-dva-vrcholy-sezony--1121103

:eek: She was that explicit?

OMG!!! :eek::lol:

PetraReeMona
Oct 9th, 2012, 11:25 PM
You meant Kotyza! This is dumb he is the coach he should know better about the adventages of a male hitting partners since long time ago!

She didn't have a male hitting partner at Eastbourne or the Olympics :mad:

Her hitting partner was David Kotzya.

PetraReeMona
Oct 9th, 2012, 11:28 PM
Part of me thinks Petra has had a really crappy year with her body and health, and she'll come roaring back 2013.

http://www.accidentalsmallholder.net/forum/Smileys/default/fingers_crossed.gif

netphobia
Oct 9th, 2012, 11:49 PM
:eek: She was that explicit?

OMG!!! :eek::lol:

:lol:

petra the oversharer:angel:

steni
Oct 10th, 2012, 12:36 AM
She didn't have a male hitting partner at Eastbourne or the Olympics :mad:

Her hitting partner was David Kotzya.

Well Kotyza is a male :lol: but not a good hitting partner I'm guessing, probably not a good cook either :lol: (his food gave Petra diarrhea :devil:)

bruce goose
Oct 10th, 2012, 04:07 AM
Duh!?

Did it take Petra and her team that long to figure that out? This is what I mean: Keystone Cops/The Gang that can't shoot straight. You're kidding me? :lol:Got a nasty response once when I directed a rather mild criticism at Petra's team,but I don't have to worry about that anymore cuz YOU guys are doing all the work for me:p.

Don't despair TOO much,though,cuz Petra's team is FAR from the densest group on the tennis scene: One of my friends had a live feed for Bad Gastein a couple years back.It's a very scenic,red-clay tourney but is notorious for heavy rainfall and,on the aforementioned year,after a steady downpour of about 5 minutes,the tourney's stadium crew walked out onto the court in rain gear and just stood there looking up at the sky,as if to say,"Gee,if THIS keeps up,we might need to put the tarp on the court eventually:silly:"

Excelscior
Oct 10th, 2012, 12:44 PM
Funny Bruce, Steni, Netphobia, etc.

SMH

Petra's a #1 type talent. But she and her team acts (by their actions, or lack of them--as) if she's some type of journey woman. :help:

What is going on with them? :unsure:

They truly need to "Get It Together/see the big picture!"

steni
Oct 10th, 2012, 01:24 PM
Got a nasty response once when I directed a rather mild criticism at Petra's team,but I don't have to worry about that anymore cuz YOU guys are doing all the work for me:p.

Don't despair TOO much,though,cuz Petra's team is FAR from the densest group on the tennis scene: One of my friends had a live feed for Bad Gastein a couple years back.It's a very scenic,red-clay tourney but is notorious for heavy rainfall and,on the aforementioned year,after a steady downpour of about 5 minutes,the tourney's stadium crew walked out onto the court in rain gear and just stood there looking up at the sky,as if to say,"Gee,if THIS keeps up,we might need to put the tarp on the court eventually:silly:"

Yes. I remembered the "mandilon" remarks...

bruce goose
Oct 10th, 2012, 01:33 PM
Yes. I remembered the "mandilon" remarks...No,I meant the OTHER,anti-Mexican/latino remarks....but that was okay b/c,like Petra has Adam,tuve mi novia guapa costarricense:drool: para apoyarme:cool::kiss:

Petronius
Oct 10th, 2012, 10:25 PM
I am pleased to read in the Czech press that Petra's also working on her netplay and plans to play aggressively in Istanbul, because she knows that against in-form baseline bashers and grinders like Sharpie and Vuvu she would have tough time without using variety and offensive aggression. :)

EDIT: Allegedly, she also wants to build on her solid perfomances during the US series rather than on the Asian swing fiasco, which is totally understandable :lol:

mac47
Oct 10th, 2012, 10:32 PM
I will laugh my ass off if Petra shelves all this "add more topspin and play conservative" crap, comes to Istanbul, hits for the lines and attacks the net... and blows them all away.

PetraReeMona
Oct 10th, 2012, 11:03 PM
I will laugh my ass off if Petra shelves all this "add more topspin and play conservative" crap, comes to Istanbul, hits for the lines and attacks the net... and blows them all away.

Oy.... if only http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/praying/smileys-praying-554778.gif

Petronius
Oct 10th, 2012, 11:50 PM
I will laugh my ass off if Petra shelves all this "add more topspin and play conservative" crap, comes to Istanbul, hits for the lines and attacks the net... and blows them all away.

I hear you. :hearts:

Petronius
Oct 10th, 2012, 11:50 PM
Oy.... if only http://www.picgifs.com/smileys/smileys-and-emoticons/praying/smileys-praying-554778.gif

:lol:

steni
Oct 11th, 2012, 12:35 AM
hits for the lines and attacks the net... and blows them all away.

Isn't this her game style anyways :confused:

netphobia
Oct 11th, 2012, 01:22 AM
I am pleased to read in the Czech press that Petra's also working on her netplay and plans to play aggressively in Istanbul, because she knows that against in-form baseline bashers and grinders like Sharpie and Vuvu she would have tough time without using variety and offensive aggression. :)

EDIT: Allegedly, she also wants to build on her solid perfomances during the US series rather than on the Asian swing fiasco, which is totally understandable :lol:

Thank god.

We saw how that worked against Vika last year :drool: The top 10 is like my favorites list right now but Petra is the only player where I root for her in every single matchup. Which is, at times.............nervewracking.

Hitting for the lines just ughhh thank god whenever Petra is forced to/decides to play defensively it's like NO WHY. As long as they land in or on the line...instead of 400000 feet out....

bruce goose
Oct 11th, 2012, 04:49 AM
Isn't this her game style anyways :confused:If I understood the post correctly,Mac was referring to a quote from Petra where she suggested that she might try a different,more cautious style of play

Excelscior
Oct 11th, 2012, 01:26 PM
If I understood the post correctly,Mac was referring to a quote from Petra where she suggested that she might try a different,more cautious style of play

I saw/read it as Netphobia Bruce. It sounded like Mac was saying, 'she wants to play aggressively with variety'. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough?

If she indeed did say that, I wonder how that clues in with how she played at the YEC last year (which did incorporate patience as well)? I think that way was perfect.

Petra mixed up her shots and didn't give her players rhythm. If you guys remember, Kotyza insisted on that. Instead of trying to always cream the ball, Petra hit an assortment of deep--corner to corner loopers, topspin forehands, slices, CC BH & FH, lobs, many times followed up with volley, drop shot and FH/BH screaming winners.

I'm not sure if Petra can play at that level again--at the moment. But she doesn't have to re-invent the wheel here either.

We'll see?

steni
Oct 11th, 2012, 01:45 PM
I saw/read it as Netphobia Bruce. It sounded like Mac was saying, 'she wants to play aggressively with variety'. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough?

If she indeed did say that, I wonder how that clues in with how she played at the YEC last year (which did incorporate patience as well)? I think that way was perfect.

Petra mixed up her shots and didn't give her players rhythm. If you guys remember, Kotyza insisted on that. Instead of trying to always cream the ball, Petra hit an assortment of deep--corner to corner loopers, topspin forehands, slices, CC BH & FH, lobs, many times followed up with volley, drop shot and FH/BH screaming winners.

I'm not sure if Petra can play at that level again--at the moment. But she doesn't have to re-invent the wheel here either.

We'll see?

Why? Cause she isn't fit and confident?

Excelscior
Oct 11th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Why? Cause she isn't fit and confident?

Fit, confident and skilled.

However, I would say the more the latter two (confident and skilled).

Remember, Petra played similarly in Montreal and New Haven (at least the hitting with more topspin--deep, in the corners, with angles, and the good defense part) during the humid NA summer, post Olympics. And I know you haven't felt she been fit all year. :lol:

Now, if you remember--during last years YEC, Petra played Linz before it. Right?

Petra was a hot mess her first two matches during Linz. And the Eurosport announcers (particularity the male broadcaster--rather melodramatically I'd say), killed Kvitova. Now Petra was getting her game together, after recently slumping and a lay off (kinda like now---though obviously not slumping nearly as bad, compared to this time last year).

However, by the time she played her last three matches at Linz (Dannie, Jankovic, Cibulkova), Petra played some of the best tennis I'd seen her play--skill wise. She was an absolute all court beast; arguably better than Wimbledon!! She was playing a perfect combination of skill, patience and aggression in my opinion. Loved it/her!

Now, barely anyone saw it (and she didn't beat the top 10, for those that didn't see it--though Jankovic played vintage offensive/defensive Lady Jaja tennis). But I was very confident (based off what I seen), and even stated so--here on TF. Yes! She looked that good and excited me that much with her play. Petra was just "Magnificent!"

Of course/luckily, her Linz form carried into the YEC and Petra won the Damn thing--undefeated. Can Petra reacquire that form during practices with pre and post pubescent boys at Prostejov, or wherever she is? :oh: .......Don't know (as I SMH).

We'll see?

Holdsworth
Oct 11th, 2012, 06:26 PM
Kerber withdrew from Luxemburg.. May be Petra should ask a WC ??

ShiftyFella
Oct 11th, 2012, 06:55 PM
Kerber withdrew from Luxemburg.. May be Petra should ask a WC ??
If she does it would be massive fail, seriously another tournament just before YEC:help:


btw, why she withdrew? injury? maybe she will skip YEC with Rena:lol:

Holdsworth
Oct 11th, 2012, 07:05 PM
If she does it would be massive fail, seriously another tournament just before YEC:help:

btw, why she withdrew? injury? maybe she will skip YEC with Rena:lol:
Minor foot injury..
Fail ?? I'm not sure :shrug: Is Petra tired this autumn ?:lol: She needs a practice before YEC, i think.
Petra isn't playing in Linz only because Vika (top10) is over there

ShiftyFella
Oct 11th, 2012, 07:15 PM
Minor foot injury..
Fail ?? I'm not sure :shrug: Is Petra tired this autumn ?:lol: She needs a practice before YEC, i think.
Petra isn't playing in Linz only because Vika (top10) is over there
I agree she needs prep event before YEC but just before YEC i'm not sure this is good idea, see how new haven - uso worked out, also i think it would threw off her actual preparation and work on errors if she does any. only if she can play thursday and friday there just to get feel for her game

Excelscior
Oct 11th, 2012, 08:20 PM
I agree she needs prep event before YEC but just before YEC i'm not sure this is good idea, see how new haven - uso worked out, also i think it would threw off her actual preparation and work on errors if she does any. only if she can play thursday and friday there just to get feel for her game

New Haven to US Open was a little different, cause Petra was going on 5 straight weeks of tennis--during the summer--if she had beat Bartoli.

This is a little different. Petra hasn't played much (as Holdworth noted), and she's had time off as well.

Luxemburg probably wouldn't bother her (because of those reasons). And Vika played Luxemberg last year, and still made the finals--playing Petra.

You would prefer the week off before. But it probably wouldn't make much difference in her case.

As far as "throwing off her practice": Petra actually left Kotyza home (she didn't even plan on going to Linz, and made up her mind at the last minute), and used Linz as a prep/practice venue for the YEC (and trust me, you could tell), till she worked her way into that brilliant all court game and won the tournament.

ShiftyFella
Oct 11th, 2012, 08:48 PM
New Haven to US Open was a little different, cause Petra was going on 5 straight weeks of tennis--during the summer--if she had beat Bartoli.

This is a little different. Petra hasn't played much (as Holdworth noted), and she's had time off as well.

Luxemburg probably wouldn't bother her (because of those reasons). And Vika played Luxemberg last year, and still made the finals--playing Petra.

You would prefer the week off before. But it probably wouldn't make much difference in her case.

As far as "throwing off her practice": Petra actually left Kotyza home (she didn't even plan on going to Linz, and made up her mind at the last minute), and used Linz as a prep/practice venue for the YEC (and trust me, you could tell), till she worked her way into that brilliant all court game and won the tournament.
what i get from her recent interviews, she is pumped and ready to work on her game, if Petra goes to Lux she may or may not get to level she needs but if she stays to practice she can get close to it and would remain positive because if she plays shaky in Lux this can be knock on her confidence, also i'm interested how Petra and her team would handle preparation for YEC without any events that would get her in rhythm


btw, in Montreal HuggyBear was absent also, so maybe she should ditch him at all and play without coach:rolls::lol:

Excelscior
Oct 11th, 2012, 11:12 PM
what i get from her recent interviews, she is pumped and ready to work on her game, if Petra goes to Lux she may or may not get to level she needs but if she stays to practice she can get close to it and would remain positive because if she plays shaky in Lux this can be knock on her confidence, also i'm interested how Petra and her team would handle preparation for YEC without any events that would get her in rhythm


btw, in Montreal HuggyBear was absent also, so maybe she should ditch him at all and play without coach:rolls::lol:

Interesting theory Shifty.

Not sure if you read everything I wrote. But last year--around this time--Petra hadn't won two matches in a row (except Tokyo) since Wimbledon.

Her game was shot. She was struggling and had no answers. Petra wanted to practice on her own (or what ever she planned to do) as well. She didn't plan to enter a tournament either. Just like what you're saying now.

It wasn't until the last minute (since she was the #2 ranked player--she had precedence), she decided to go to Linz--with out Kotyza to "work on my game and practice my shots", she said.

Remember, Petra doesn't have to learn how to slice, drop shot and volley. She already can. It's more a timing, feel--for the opponent--issue, under match conditions (especially against excellent opponents--or after she hasn't played in a while).

Petra practicing alone, with lower ranked female players, Katie the PR lady or Kotyza, may work somewhat. However, it's not going to replicate match conditions or competition, when she needs to.

Maybe the pre and post pubescent boys of Prostejov can?....But who knows (what we know about them, their ability, and experience)?

If Petra bombs out of Luxemberg, she can always go back and practice as you said. If Petra's practicing now, then she can try to perfect her timing at Luxemberg--rather than the YEC. That's the difference. Petra had already got her timing down on her all court game after Linz--once she entered the YEC last year. And she won.

Not saying history will repeat itself. But I'm not sure how you can argue, practicing alone is the better idea. :shrug:

Yes it's true. Petra both practiced and performed simultaneously at the same tournament--Linz--with out her coach Kotyza (as Montreal and several other events). :lol:

Petra said she didn't plan to win: Just work on her game. And "Wha-la", she ended up winning (Linz, the YEC and Fed Cup).

bruce goose
Oct 12th, 2012, 12:38 AM
Of course/luckily, her Linz form carried into the YEC and Petra won the Damn thing--undefeated. Can Petra reacquire that form during practices with pre and post pubescent boys at Prostejov, or wherever she is? :oh: .......Don't know (as I SMH).

We'll see?Ex,you're WAY out of line:( with all of these criticisms of Petra's team;they have an extremely efficient,well-run operation.In fact,I have video evidence of that as they enter the facility at the ITF 100K in Cleveland in 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdl6bYcSRkE
So THERE!:nerner:

netphobia
Oct 12th, 2012, 12:59 AM
Luxembourg would be good because then she can play herself into form instead of losing in RR at the YECs. :o I feel like she's one of those players where unless she's on already she needs those easy warmup matches and there is no way she's getting those in Istanbul.

ShiftyFella
Oct 12th, 2012, 05:17 AM
Interesting theory Shifty.

Not sure if you read everything I wrote. But last year--around this time--Petra hadn't won two matches in a row (except Tokyo) since Wimbledon.

Her game was shot. She was struggling and had no answers. Petra wanted to practice on her own (or what ever she planned to do) as well. She didn't plan to enter a tournament either. Just like what you're saying now.

It wasn't until the last minute (since she was the #2 ranked player--she had precedence), she decided to go to Linz--with out Kotyza to "work on my game and practice my shots", she said.

Remember, Petra doesn't have to learn how to slice, drop shot and volley. She already can. It's more a timing, feel--for the opponent--issue, under match conditions (especially against excellent opponents--or after she hasn't played in a while).

I think it was just her gut feeling and frustration because of low level performance after slam win, this time it all can be different. We have to wait and see how stuff unfolds but i have confidence in Petra and hope she can make out of RR rounds and gets to semis.



Petra practicing alone, with lower ranked female players, Katie the PR lady or Kotyza, may work somewhat. However, it's not going to replicate match conditions or competition, when she needs to.

Maybe the pre and post pubescent boys of Prostejov can?....But who knows (what we know about them, their ability, and experience)?

Petra practiced with Adam who was just low level men's mug and she wins Wimbledon than she stops practicing with men and her level goes downhill(omit YEC form), so maybe this way is better:lol:

steni
Oct 12th, 2012, 01:34 PM
Is confirmed, Petra is not playing any warm ups before YEC, according to Katie Spellman!

@Spellman_Katie:
“@stephanie_her: @Spellman_Katie Hello Katie! Is Petra playing a warm up before YEC? thanks!” No, she is practicing indoors at home

Excelscior
Oct 12th, 2012, 01:35 PM
I think it was just her gut feeling and frustration because of low level performance after slam win, this time it all can be different. We have to wait and see how stuff unfolds but i have confidence in Petra and hope she can make out of RR rounds and gets to semis.



Petra practiced with Adam who was just low level men's mug and she wins Wimbledon than she stops practicing with men and her level goes downhill(omit YEC form), so maybe this way is better:lol:

I'm glad you noticed. :eek:

I didn't want to keep beating a dead horse alone. :lol:

Sometimes you gotta wonder, what's Petra's team is thinking. :help:

If something worked last year, why not replicate it this year? Even if you have to hire people per diem, part or full time. Why not? She made $5 million dollars in prize money alone last year. Like I said previously, "they don't act like a team with a player of Petra's caliber". I find it incredulous, that they weren't using a male hitting partner most of the year. SMH

On your first point about Petra--going into Linz last year. You're probably right (on Petra's feelings).

Adam was an ATP mug--for sure. But at least he was a top 20 junior male. How low ranked are these teeny boppers, before it impacts Petra's preparation (if she doesn't play Lux)?

You know how they always say "the 900 ranked male can beat the top ranked woman (I think Adam was 500-800 )"?

OK. How low are these young schmucks (and where you start to get diminishing returns)? But like you said. Back to the Juniors. :lol:

Excelscior
Oct 12th, 2012, 02:14 PM
Oh, and PS Shifty: Adam was with Petra at Linz as well (you may or may not had been saying that in your previous post). He was even listed in her box as "coach" by Eurosport. :lol:

You could tell Jo Durie knew who he was and didn't want to touch it (cause she smiled and almost laughed when they showed him on Camera--listing him as Petra's "coach"). :oh:

ShiftyFella
Oct 12th, 2012, 02:23 PM
I'm glad you noticed. :eek:

I didn't want to keep beating a dead horse alone. :lol:

Sometimes you gotta wonder, what's Petra's team is thinking. :help:

If something worked last year, why not replicate it this year? Even if you have to hire people per diem, part or full time. Why not? She made $5 million dollars in prize money alone last year. Like I said previously, "they don't act like a team with a player of Petra's caliber". I find it incredulous, that they weren't using a male hitting partner most of the year. SMH

You know how they always say "the 900 ranked male can beat the top ranked woman (I think Adam was 500-800 )"?

OK. How low are these young schmucks (and where you start to get diminishing returns)? But like you said. Back to the Juniors. :lol:

Petra said that Adam was hitting way too hard for her and they ditch him, i guess that's why they didn't hire anybody else but Kotyza should've know better that proper hitting partner cant tweak his shots but juniors can't and coach better coaching when watching player not when hitting with one because you can't properly evaluate stuff. Maybe now they find some kids that would hit with power that Petra needs:rolls:


Oh, and PS Shifty: Adam was with Petra at Linz as well (you may or may not had been saying that in your previous post). He was even listed in her box as "coach" by Eurosport. :lol:

You could tell Jo Durie knew who he was and didn't want to touch it (cause she smiled and almost laughed when they showed him on Camera--listing him as Petra's "coach"). :oh:
I think he was there just as her boyfriend but maybe she hit with him few times, who knows:shrug:

ShiftyFella
Oct 12th, 2012, 03:13 PM
I don't know/never heard Petra mention he "hit too hard for her". I thought Adam left (Ahem), cause he had to concentrate on his upcoming Pro career. :oh:

We'll see how this (Junior Brigade) thing works in a few weeks? However, I continue to believe Petra's team this past year has been almost totally clueless. :shrug:

They need a leader or someone to take charge. It almost seems like a rudderless ship--moving aimlessly. Every good idea, seems to be an afterthought (or after the fact).
It was in Czech press around Wimbledon, i don't remember just before or after it, She said that she stopped hitting with Adam cause she can't handle his power because he was hitting too hard for her or something like that. We need to ask Petronius maybe he remembers that article.

I think even Petra don't know in what direction she wants to move besides just simple winning and dominating, I'm waiting for this off season because it can be milestone in her career how they handle her sophomore slump and how they retool her team.

Excelscior
Oct 12th, 2012, 03:14 PM
Petra said that Adam was hitting way too hard for her and they ditch him, i guess that's why they didn't hire anybody else but Kotyza should've know better that proper hitting partner cant tweak his shots but juniors can't and coach better coaching when watching player not when hitting with one because you can't properly evaluate stuff. Maybe now they find some kids that would hit with power that Petra needs:rolls:



I think he was there just as her boyfriend but maybe she hit with him few times, who knows:shrug:

I don't know/never heard Petra mention he "hit too hard for her". I thought Adam left (Ahem), cause he had to concentrate on his upcoming Pro career. :oh:

And even if he did "hit too hard", Adam could temper it, or Petra could get used to it.

And there are certain elements where that "problem" would come in handy (like practicing your ROS, volleys and touch shots under duress during certain drills). That's what you want then.

Last year, Petra was winning the ground stroke battles facing the top players. This year, Petra was making too many errors in that area (particularly against Sharapova, when all the other top players were kicking Sharpies ass). I don't see how Adam "hitting too hard (if true)", would hurt. Sounds like a cop out, a passing or faulty reason. All Males hit hard!! Come on now!

And you also brought up another excellent point. An experienced hitting partner can tailor his shots in a more subtle manner than a youngster could. They can work with you better and know what you want more than a in-experienced kid ever could.

So we'll see how this (Junior Brigade) thing works in a few weeks? However, I continue to believe Petra's team this past year has been almost totally clueless (and cheap). :shrug:

They need a leader or someone to take charge. It almost seems like a rudderless ship--moving aimlessly. Every good idea seems to be an afterthought (or after the fact).

Excelscior
Oct 12th, 2012, 04:10 PM
It was in Czech press around Wimbledon, i don't remember just before or after it, She said that she stopped hitting with Adam cause she can't handle his power because he was hitting too hard for her or something like that. We need to ask Petronius maybe he remembers that article.

I think even Petra don't know in what direction she wants to move besides just simple winning and dominating, I'm waiting for this off season because it can be milestone in her career how they handle her sophomore slump and how they retool her team.

Agreed.

I don't think Petra's lazy or lacks ambition per se. She and her team are just uneven too many times, and don't appear (in their actions) to know what it really takes to be great. They're like the nice, cute. unassuming tadpoles, Goldfish or guppies swimming in veritable shark infested waters.

They appear to lack a consistency of high standards and focus through out a tennis season, with too many inexcusable dips and mistakes from all of them.

I been ragging on them more lately, cause I don't see any improvements, while they continue to make dumb mistakes.

Like you, I'll never write Petra off--due to her talent and unpredictability. But at the same time, you don't expect her to do well, just cause it's destined. You would like good planning, confidence and conditioning, hard work, practices and expert tweaking of her game--to have positive effects as well.

At this moment, I don't think Petra and her team have distinguished themselves at the highest levels of preparation. Of course things can change. But until it does, you gotta wonder when/if it will. And like you said: What will Petra's development bring for the end of 2012 and 2013?

That's the scary part/proposition. :scared: Stay tuned.

netphobia
Oct 12th, 2012, 09:19 PM
Agreed.

I don't think Petra's lazy or lacks ambition per se. She and her team are just uneven too many times, and don't appear (in their actions) to know what it really takes to be great. They're like the nice, cute. unassuming tadpoles, Goldfish or guppies swimming in veritable shark infested waters.

They appear to lack a consistency of high standards and focus through out a tennis season, with too many inexcusable dips and mistakes from all of them.

I been ragging on them more lately, cause I don't see any improvements, while they continue to make dumb mistakes.

Like you, I'll never write Petra off--due to her talent and unpredictability. But at the same time, you don't expect her to do well, just cause it's destined. You would like good planning, confidence and conditioning, hard work, practices and expert tweaking of her game--to have positive effects as well.

At this moment, I don't think Petra and her team have distinguished themselves at the highest levels of preparation. Of course things can change. But until it does, you gotta wonder when/if it will. And like you said: What will Petra's development bring for the end of 2012 and 2013?

That's the scary part/proposition. :scared: Stay tuned.

:hysteric: that's exactly what I've always thought...it's not down to laziness or anything like that. more cluelessness than anything else.

I will say it's kind of refreshing to be a fan of someone inconsistent. You never take wins for granted :P or losses, for that matter.

Still afraid of the 2013 season but I keep thinking in the back of my mind that perhaps there will be some ridiculous turnaround, and 2012 will be looked at as the year she needed to settle into things, and 2013 will be the ~projected dominance that 2012 was supposed to be. And then I think ohhh God I shouldn't get my hopes up.

Excelscior
Oct 13th, 2012, 12:06 AM
:hysteric: that's exactly what I've always thought...it's not down to laziness or anything like that. more cluelessness than anything else.

I will say it's kind of refreshing to be a fan of someone inconsistent. You never take wins for granted :P or losses, for that matter.

Still afraid of the 2013 season but I keep thinking in the back of my mind that perhaps there will be some ridiculous turnaround, and 2012 will be looked at as the year she needed to settle into things, and 2013 will be the ~projected dominance that 2012 was supposed to be. And then I think ohhh God I shouldn't get my hopes up.

Yes. They're like the Gang That Can't Shoot Straight, the Three Stooges (when they had Ivanko) or any other metaphors/examples of haplessness you can come up with . Well intentioned; just comical at times. :lol:

Nice people with nice goals, who want Petra to do well. Not sure if they realize the comprehensive commitment they and Petra need for her to be great (unless they're just taking it easy on her during her "transitional" year)? :confused:

As you said, maybe it will all click for Petra in 2013. We'll see? Cause right now it seems like her team and practice regimen are all over the place.

But there's still time (and like we alluded, maybe they're waiting on 2013 to implement the top flight--comprehensive team or management of Petra's schedule, training, practices, medical advice, strategic goals and game planning)? :shrug:

Of course, if/when Petra plays lights out (for what ever reason), all will be tabled--though not forgotten (till the next unexpected loss, crappy play and dead period). :lol:

Excelscior
Oct 13th, 2012, 12:16 AM
Originally Posted by Excelscior
They're like the nice, cute. unassuming tadpoles, Goldfish or guppies swimming in veritable shark infested waters.

:hysteric: that's exactly what I've always thought...it's not down to laziness or anything like that. more cluelessness than anything else.

I will say it's kind of refreshing to be a fan of someone inconsistent. You never take wins for granted :P or losses, for that matter.

Still afraid of the 2013 season but I keep thinking in the back of my mind that perhaps there will be some ridiculous turnaround, and 2012 will be looked at as the year she needed to settle into things, and 2013 will be the ~projected dominance that 2012 was supposed to be. And then I think ohhh God I shouldn't get my hopes up.

Yes, just call it FINDING PETRA (instead of Nemo).

They're/it's just like that underwater world and it's host of assorted lovable to sundry cast of characters. :hysteric:

steni
Oct 13th, 2012, 12:29 AM
Off topic, I always wonder what the Pliskova twins(I kinda like them) think about Petra, if they see her as a role model or something else, in a recent interview Krystina said something interesting, btw somebody knows if Petra has a friendship with the twins?

Krystina Pliskova
If you could meet anyone in the world who would you like it to be?
KP: On court or off court? On court, it would be Petra Kvitova. Off court, ummm, I'm not sure.

http://www.wtatennis.com/page/GettingToKnow/Read/0,,12781~2945700,00.html

netphobia
Oct 13th, 2012, 01:18 AM
Yes, just call it FINDING PETRA (instead of Nemo).

They're/it's just like that underwater world and it's host of assorted lovable to sundry cast of characters. :hysteric:

oMFG NOOOO :spit: :help:

Off topic, I always wonder what the Pliskova twins(I kinda like them) think about Petra, if they see her as a role model or something else, in a recent interview Krystina said something interesting, btw somebody knows if Petra has a friendship with the twins?

Krystina Pliskova
If you could meet anyone in the world who would you like it to be?
KP: On court or off court? On court, it would be Petra Kvitova. Off court, ummm, I'm not sure.

http://www.wtatennis.com/page/GettingToKnow/Read/0,,12781~2945700,00.html

:unsure: whaaat does that mean.

Is she saying she wants to play Petra??? Which...I guess means she respects her. Or thinks she can beat her? :tape: Or does she just think it would be fun to play a match??

steni
Oct 13th, 2012, 01:28 AM
oMFG NOOOO :spit: :help:



:unsure: whaaat does that mean.

Is she saying she wants to play Petra??? Which...I guess means she respects her. Or thinks she can beat her? :tape: Or does she just think it would be fun to play a match??

maybe this! lol

Excelscior
Oct 13th, 2012, 01:58 AM
oMFG NOOOO :spit: :help:



:unsure: whaaat does that mean.

Is she saying she wants to play Petra??? Which...I guess means she respects her. Or thinks she can beat her? :tape: Or does she just think it would be fun to play a match??

Sounds like it, would be an honor to play Petra and she really respects her countrywomen. Oh that's nice.

Then again, after Tokyo and Beijing who knows? :scared:

paulmara
Oct 13th, 2012, 10:54 AM
Is she saying she wants to play Petra??? Which...I guess means she respects her. Or thinks she can beat her?

May 16 2012
Kristýna „ Nothing against Petra but she is not my idol.“

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis/123247/plisaci-utoci-sestry-pliskovy-nechteji-skoncit-jako-vaidisova.html

steni
Oct 13th, 2012, 01:09 PM
May 16 2012
Kristýna „ Nothing against Petra but she is not my idol.“

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis/123247/plisaci-utoci-sestry-pliskovy-nechteji-skoncit-jako-vaidisova.html

So I think she wants to play Petra cause she wants to beat her than... lol

pov
Oct 13th, 2012, 02:50 PM
Playing with guys is completely different than when you hit with girls – more topspin, deeper more powerful shots and ESPECIALLY more of the topspin-looper type shots that force you to hit w/open stance.
Yeah but I'd think that pro hitting partners have the ability to hit whatever shots the coach wants the player to work on.

Here's an article I'd posted to GM;

http://www.tennis.com/gear/2012/10/g...art-two/39656/

JD: It’s important to have a good hitting partner, too. I’ve read that you worked with Maria Sharapova in this capacity. What does it take to be an exemplary sparring partner?

CM: Hitting partners are there to set up the ball for whatever the coach wants the player to do. It sounds simple, but actually doing it consistently is very tough. Because you’re trying to groove them and get their confidence up, and that’s tricky. For me, it was about trying to bridge the relationship between the coach and the player—seeing what he’s trying to do for her, the player, and then manipulating the ball in order for her to believe in what the coach is trying to tell her.

JD: What do you mean?

CM: Like, if we’re working on low balls, I’m manipulating the ball to be low, so that she can keep on hitting it and trusting it. It takes repetition to get that feel. But if I can’t hit that shot low and with slice in exactly the way the coach wants it to be hit, then the player might not start believing. And the coach can see: If the coach tries to hit with the player, he can’t evaluate him or her from different angles. To do his job, he needs the help of a good hitter.

JD: And if you’re not consistently perfect, then she may not get into that groove?

CM: Right, exactly. Hitting partners are ones who always give a great ball that’s consistent and true to what the rest of the field is hitting. I felt like I was always good, because I’m pretty fast, and I can get a lot of balls back. I’m like a human ball machine who can go from different places, different angles, and just hit you another ball. [Laughing]

JD: It seems on tour that it’s more the women who utilize hitting partners, not the men. Why is that?

CM: It’s a tough question. The subject of a hitting partner is weird, it’s interesting. I know guys use hitting partners to practice. Growing up, I practiced at Bollettieri’s, so I was a hitting partner for Boris Becker and Petr Korda—all the pros went over there to play. I traveled to Munich three times with Boris Becker to hit with him. I think that really helped me a lot in my game.

But yeah, I get this vibe: I don’t know if everyone feels like there’s a need for hitting partners. People say, like, “girls should be practicing with each other,” things like that. But for the women, I think they always travel with hitting partners just to make sure to always have somebody who’s better than them. But it’s a good question. I’m really not sure why it’s like that.

pov
Oct 13th, 2012, 03:20 PM
Yes. They're like the Gang That Can't Shoot Straight, the Three Stooges (when they had Ivanko) or any other metaphors/examples of haplessness you can come up with . Well intentioned; just comical at times.
:lol: Dang. You and a few others talk about these people like they're idiots. Which is of course nonsense. What's interesting is that it seems that some would rather think that "they're nice and clueless" rather than think that Kvitova has been lacking in her hunger to dominate. (Although she didn't win a major before she made the mental shift Azarenka is a good comparison. Her game hasn't changed - her attitude changed and desire to dominate increased.) Earlier this year - I was saying much the same thing and yeah I still think that I'd have her fit, toned and sharp. But really, Kviotva is the Czech tennis #1 - the people around her have access to all the advice they want. If it really is a team problem it is probably because underneath the "nice" exterior her coach has a "this is my thing, I'm gonna keep control and do it how I like" attitude.

Excelscior
Oct 13th, 2012, 04:26 PM
:lol: Dang. You and a few others talk about these people like they're idiots. Which is of course nonsense. What's interesting is that it seems that some would rather think that "they're nice and clueless" rather than think that Kvitova has been lacking in her hunger to dominate. (Although she didn't win a major before she made the mental shift Azarenka is a good comparison. Her game hasn't changed - her attitude changed and desire to dominate increased.) Earlier this year - I was saying much the same thing and yeah I still think that I'd have her fit, toned and sharp. But really, Kviotva is the Czech tennis #1 - the people around her have access to all the advice they want. If it really is a team problem it is probably because underneath the "nice" exterior her coach has a "this is my thing, I'm gonna keep control and do it how I like" attitude.

Well, they are clueless cause of their mistakes (too numerous to mention, but hopefully you read the prior threads documenting them). The latest one being, Petra essentially admitting that they haven't really used any (or much) male hitting partners this year. And all of a sudden when Petra's discusses it, she's extolling the virtues of them (albeit Junior boys), and how they can help her game and prepare for the YEC, as if no one knew that. :help:

For this year, her team always appears--1, 2, 3 steps behind regarding their decision making. Many times their decisions and explanations come off like a casual, small town-time team, than one for a Grand Slam winner and "most talented player under 31 yr old (see, giving respect to Serena) currently on the tour".

As far as Petra: She's a good kid that says she wants to win. And Kotyza says she's smart, determined, etc.. But Petra has her ways as well: She's not aware or mature enough at this stage (presumably for her lack of Top Juniors--it's world travel, and Petra's relaxed personality), to know what it really takes to be thorough professional day in day out (though she appears to be getting better at it). The problem with her team is, they don't seem to know either, or at least condone it. :lol:

Petra's manager Csernonek, has alluded to the fact in the past, that top down style coaches don't work with Petra (basically Kotyza caters to Petra and/or finds "unconventional" means to train her). OK. Kool. She's had success with Kotyza, after having success early in her career at 18-19 yrs old with another coach, then suffering injuries the next year, and finally a Wimby semifinal with the more relaxed Kotyza in 2010. However, I also feel that some one with high achievements (a great former coach or player), could make a great advisor, confidante, role model for Petra to listen to as well. That person could make Petra shoot for more sooner and be more comfortable with not only the absolute highest standards and goals, but the naturalness of being in that position. Does Kotyza command that type of respect?

Basically, it's like, you can wait on Petra's 1-4 years to mature/get it (if she ever does), or have someone on her team that can bring it out sooner/now?

Of course things can always change. So stay tuned.

pov
Oct 13th, 2012, 06:39 PM
Well, they are clueless cause of their mistakes (too numerous to mention, but hopefully you read the prior threads documenting them). The latest one being, Petra essentially admitting that they haven't really used any (or much) male hitting partners this year. And all of a sudden when Petra's discusses it, she's extolling the virtues of them (albeit Junior boys), and how they can help her game and prepare for the YEC, as if no one knew that. :help:
:lol: Yeah. The thing is that I don't read much into reports like that. Things get said in the media in ways that often lead to the wrong conclusions. And I mean basically you're not far from saying that Kvitova is almost brain-dead. I'd think that they lost/fired their male hitting partners and were focused on other things so it just went by the wayside for a while. Now they're trying to find out what's "wrong" so that's raised as a possible factor. :shrug: Her poor play hasn't been about her not getting to balls or being overwhelmed by hyper-spin or power. She just hasn't been fully engaged mentally and - probably as a result - hasn't been making her own shots too often. A male hitting partner won't help with either of those things. Plus she did fine on the US hard-court segment without one.

paulmara
Oct 17th, 2012, 08:12 PM
Petra Kvitova ‏@Petra_KvitovaHi guys, tried on some dresses today for #wtachamps! It's getting closer now. Going to Istanbul on Friday :)

netphobia
Oct 17th, 2012, 08:24 PM
It's coming up so soon.

:scared:

Barktra
Oct 19th, 2012, 03:44 AM
I want a Petra vs Serena final

netphobia
Oct 19th, 2012, 05:14 AM
I...don't know how much I want that. She's not in the form to beat Serena atm. Last year, maybe. I also don't know if a rematch of last year would be good because Vika's so on fire lately...finals vs. Maria would be fun to see but I don't think Maria will get that far.

#problems?

Barktra
Oct 19th, 2012, 05:16 AM
Yea I see the problems and Petra could go 0-3 and not win a set or go 5-0 again and win the whole thing again

I have faith in Petra :cheer:

bruce goose
Oct 19th, 2012, 02:06 PM
Has anyone seen any detailed quotes from Petra on her YEC preparation??I ask that b/c it's been almost a polar opposite from her prep for the USO.In NYC,she supposedly had to play 3 tune-ups,w/o resting at all,before the Slam to get ready.However,since her finale at the USO,she has nothing except two very brief stops in Tokyo and Beijing. Does Petra claim that she's ready to show some strong form at YEC? THAT would be very impressive

Excelscior
Oct 19th, 2012, 03:59 PM
Has anyone seen any detailed quotes from Petra on her YEC preparation??I ask that b/c it's been almost a polar opposite from her prep for the USO.In NYC,she supposedly had to play 3 tune-ups,w/o resting at all,before the Slam to get ready.However,since her finale at the USO,she has nothing except two very brief stops in Tokyo and Beijing. Does Petra claim that she's ready to show some strong form at YEC? THAT would be very impressive

Only (the) Petra Knows. :scratch: :unsure: :scratch:

ShiftyFella
Oct 19th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Has anyone seen any detailed quotes from Petra on her YEC preparation??I ask that b/c it's been almost a polar opposite from her prep for the USO.In NYC,she supposedly had to play 3 tune-ups,w/o resting at all,before the Slam to get ready.However,since her finale at the USO,she has nothing except two very brief stops in Tokyo and Beijing. Does Petra claim that she's ready to show some strong form at YEC? THAT would be very impressive
couple pages ago were some links to her interview in Czech or it was in news thread, Petra said that she is ready to play her best and rebound same way like she did after Olympics on USO HC but it's Petra she can easily turn into Shitra:tape:

paulmara
Oct 19th, 2012, 05:36 PM
Has anyone seen any detailed quotes from Petra on her YEC preparation??

Kotyza (after 12 days training) : „ At the end she was a little bit dead, she was fed up . She will have a different training mode in Istanbul … She looked good , but it will be very different situation during matches. All girls have high quality. What Petra could do , she did.“

http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitova-odletela-na-turnaj-mistryn-d6p-/tenis.aspx?c=A121019_112015_tenis_ma

steni
Oct 19th, 2012, 07:06 PM
Kotyza (after 12 days training) : „ At the end she was a little bit dead, she was fed up . She will have a different training mode in Istanbul … She looked good , but it will be very different situation during matches. All girls have high quality. What Petra could do , she did.“

http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitova-odletela-na-turnaj-mistryn-d6p-/tenis.aspx?c=A121019_112015_tenis_ma

Grrr I'm gonna be very mad if she loses against the pushers...

ShiftyFella
Oct 19th, 2012, 07:14 PM
Grrr I'm gonna be very mad if she loses against the pushers...
We all gonna be:sad::lol:

PetraReeMona
Oct 19th, 2012, 07:28 PM
Kotyza (after 12 days training) : „ At the end she was a little bit dead, she was fed up . She will have a different training mode in Istanbul … She looked good , but it will be very different situation during matches. All girls have high quality. What Petra could do , she did.“

http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitova-odletela-na-turnaj-mistryn-d6p-/tenis.aspx?c=A121019_112015_tenis_ma

That's what she looked like in Eastbourne, but I said she looked depressed. I most probably used the wrong word - she definitely looked fed up in Eastbourne too. :mad::sad:

steni
Oct 19th, 2012, 07:40 PM
I just read on twitter that Kerber is moving to #5 on Monday, is this possible? Grrrr

ShiftyFella
Oct 19th, 2012, 08:34 PM
I just read on twitter that Kerber is moving to #5 on Monday, is this possible? Grrrr
Petra was passed by Kirby at the star of the Asian swing and it feels like a long time ago, well not that long but it feels long. YEC race displays actual rankings not the official, only after YEC official rankings looks right because they are equal. On Monday YEC points are dropped and that's why Petra falls down in official ranking list

steni
Oct 19th, 2012, 08:53 PM
Petra was passed by Kirby at the star of the Asian swing and it feels like a long time ago, well not that long but it feels long. YEC race displays actual rankings not the official, only after YEC official rankings looks right because they are equal. On Monday YEC points are dropped and that's why Petra falls down in official ranking list

So Petra is gonna end the year out of the top 5? Well this is pathetic!

ShiftyFella
Oct 19th, 2012, 09:11 PM
So Petra is gonna end the year out of the top 5? Well this is pathetic!
Only if she performs badly or equally to Kirby at YEC, otherwise she is back to Top5, saddest part even with another YEC win Petra couldn't pass Aga for Top4 spot for better draw at AO i.e she probably end up getting played against Masha or Rena in QF or even sooner:o

bruce goose
Oct 19th, 2012, 11:39 PM
Kotyza (after 12 days training) : „ At the end she was a little bit dead, she was fed up . She will have a different training mode in Istanbul … She looked good , but it will be very different situation during matches. All girls have high quality. What Petra could do , she did.“

http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitova-odletela-na-turnaj-mistryn-d6p-/tenis.aspx?c=A121019_112015_tenis_maThanks to you and ShiftyFella for the input;however,Petra couldn't meet a Top 4 player PRIOR TO the QFs unless she dropped out of the Top 8. IMO,facing a tough opponent in the QFs is nothing to whine about;ideally,the women's ranks SHOULD be that tough if the sport seeks to be healthy and competitive.As much credit as Serena deserves,it's not good if she doesn't even get slightly pushed by the other high-ranked players(though,to be fair,she avoids slow red clay as much as possible to keep from looking so mortal),and there'll be more fan interest if there's at least some level of suspense....though we don't always enjoy Petra's version of suspense that results from uneven play;)

pling
Oct 19th, 2012, 11:49 PM
Thanks to you and ShiftyFella for the input;however,Petra couldn't meet a Top 4 player PRIOR TO the QFs unless she dropped out of the Top 8. IMO,facing a tough opponent in the QFs is nothing to whine about;ideally,the women's ranks SHOULD be that tough if the sport seeks to be healthy and competitive.As much credit as Serena deserves,it's not good if she doesn't even get slightly pushed by the other high-ranked players(though,to be fair,she avoids slow red clay as much as possible to keep from looking so mortal),and there'll be more fan interest if there's at least some level of suspense....though we don't always enjoy Petra's version of suspense that results from uneven play;)

And Petra has got most of her big tournament wins (up to & including Wimbledon from a lower rank anyway.

Once she made top 4 the results went off, and when she dropped out of the top 4 again she won Montreal & New Haven :lol:

When she's playing well it doesn't matter what her rank is.

ShiftyFella
Oct 20th, 2012, 06:44 AM
Thanks to you and ShiftyFella for the input;however,Petra couldn't meet a Top 4 player PRIOR TO the QFs unless she dropped out of the Top 8. IMO,facing a tough opponent in the QFs is nothing to whine about;ideally,the women's ranks SHOULD be that tough if the sport seeks to be healthy and competitive.As much credit as Serena deserves,it's not good if she doesn't even get slightly pushed by the other high-ranked players(though,to be fair,she avoids slow red clay as much as possible to keep from looking so mortal),and there'll be more fan interest if there's at least some level of suspense....though we don't always enjoy Petra's version of suspense that results from uneven play;)
My premises was more about if she has chance to achieve better result without braking a sweat, why not try to do it? look at Pova, she's always around the top not because she is great talented player like Rena or grinder of tournaments points whenever is possible like Aga, she's just done what she needs to do and steps up where need it, no more no less, basically she tries not to overlay herself and capitalizes on favorable draw. Of course Petra could beat Pova in QF, Vika in SF and Rena in the final if she is fully on and this would be confirmation of her magnificence but why try to make hard on yourself?

also, if Petra could be more careful with her health results in Beijing would be totally different, heck even in this season if she wouldn't got ill before it. ES commentators laughing at Vika with her catsuit outfits and withdrawals form some tournaments but Vika is smart because she avoids 0 pointers, better looks for her health and creates more balanced schedule, why Petra can't do similar stuff but without turning into part-time GOAT like Rena?

bruce goose
Oct 20th, 2012, 01:31 PM
My premises was more about if she has chance to achieve better result without braking a sweat, why not try to do it? look at Pova, she's always around the top not because she is great talented player like Rena or grinder of tournaments points whenever is possible like Aga, she's just done what she needs to do and steps up where need it, no more no less, basically she tries not to overlay herself and capitalizes on favorable draw. Of course Petra could beat Pova in QF, Vika in SF and Rena in the final if she is fully on and this would be confirmation of her magnificence but why try to make hard on yourself?

also, if Petra could be more careful with her health results in Beijing would be totally different, heck even in this season if she wouldn't got ill before it. ES commentators laughing at Vika with her catsuit outfits and withdrawals form some tournaments but Vika is smart because she avoids 0 pointers, better looks for her health and creates more balanced schedule, why Petra can't do similar stuff but without turning into part-time GOAT like Rena?Your points are very practical,but I suppose that my approach stems mostly from the attitude of not backing down from tough opponents.I'd like to see Petra at least reach the point where she doesn't look at the draw and,with trembling,fear facing certain players....She probably doesn't do that very much,yet a truly elite player shouldn't do it AT ALL

Meelis
Oct 21st, 2012, 04:57 PM
Sharapova, Radwanska, Kvitova, Errani in the white group.

ShiftyFella
Oct 21st, 2012, 04:58 PM
Red Group: Azarenka, Serena, Kerber, Li

White Group: Sharapova, Aga, Kvitova, Errani

Petra has good change of going 2-1 and Aga too if beats Pova:oh:

paulmara
Oct 21st, 2012, 05:00 PM
best case scenario

pling
Oct 21st, 2012, 05:02 PM
best case scenario

:drool: surely she must make it out of this group

Synth
Oct 21st, 2012, 05:04 PM
This is definitely best cast scenario for Petra. Good group draw for her. Looking forward to see what improvements were made back in CR. :)

Holdsworth
Oct 21st, 2012, 05:06 PM
Nice draw for Petra :)

Petronius
Oct 21st, 2012, 05:20 PM
The draw gods were very generous to Petra. I still stand by my prediction she'll reach the semis.

Errani :hug:

Ollie.
Oct 21st, 2012, 05:29 PM
Yay, Petra! A nice draw...should make the semis! :cheer:

Sasja
Oct 21st, 2012, 05:31 PM
Hoping in the white group Petra and Maria will qualify for the SF :cheer:

Ollie.
Oct 21st, 2012, 05:42 PM
Hoping in the white group Petra and Maria will qualify for the SF :cheer:

Me too, Petra and Maria are the best players in the group. :)!

Although, secretly I was hoping Sara would qualify to annoy everybody. :sobbing: But that definitely won't happen!

bharatkt
Oct 21st, 2012, 06:15 PM
Now Petra should make it to Semis.

TimeyWimey
Oct 22nd, 2012, 01:13 AM
the best draw imaginable :lol:

mac47
Oct 22nd, 2012, 02:25 AM
ABP, please.

I have great fear that a rusty, out of form Petra will crown her season of disappointment in the worst way. Hope I'm wrong,

Queen Petra Fan
Oct 22nd, 2012, 03:14 AM
For Petra's fans in CZ:

Eurosport 1 is replaying last year's YEC final at 15:00 and 18:15 today.

And, starts their 2012 coverage at 16:00 tomorrow.


:worship: GOOD LUCK PETRA!!! :worship:

bruce goose
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:11 AM
I have great fear that a rusty, out of form Petra will crown her season of disappointment in the worst way. Hope I'm wrong,Yeah,I've already made a persistent case for adequate rest,but there's a difference between recuperative down time and extended inactivity.Vikapower could probably give us some stats on Petra's longest matchless,or NEAR-matchless,stretches...and I wonder how often she has played well at a big event following a long lull....My guess is,'Not Often'

TimeyWimey
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:54 AM
ABP, please.

I have great fear that a rusty, out of form Petra will crown her season of disappointment in the worst way. Hope I'm wrong,

nein, at least she still has Fed Cup

paulmara
Oct 22nd, 2012, 11:56 AM
Tomorrow's #WTAChamps OOP starting 5 pm local (10 am EST)

Aga Radwanska vs @Petra_Kvitova
@SerenaWilliams vs @AngeliqueKerber
Maria Sharapova vs Sara Errani

Petronius
Oct 22nd, 2012, 01:45 PM
For Czech speakers or google translate users, David Kotyza's take on each of the 7 remaining YEC participants:

http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitova-pred-turnajem-mistryn-dzn-/tenis.aspx?c=A121020_211049_tenis_ma

Excelscior
Oct 22nd, 2012, 02:15 PM
Yeah,I've already made a persistent case for adequate rest,but there's a difference between recuperative down time and extended inactivity.Vikapower could probably give us some stats on Petra's longest matchless,or NEAR-matchless,stretches...and I wonder how often she has played well at a big event following a long lull....My guess is,'Not Often'

There's so many co-mitigating factors going into this one, and no one knows Petra's PSYCHE, mind you FORM at this stage (Is she just happy to be there, is she intimidated by being defending champion or Serena and Masha, is she tired of being a bridesmaid at the biggest events, is she so relaxed--she'll play well--if in form, did those Junior Boys or Istanbul practices really help, etc.)?

Yes she played well in her first HC tournament in North America. But let's be honest, she had one ugly ass first match--that she should have lost--before she pulled it out and started to play well in her third match. Needless to say, she can't afford any early match stinkers here (because even Radwanksa and Errani could take advantage--if she did, unless Petra's serving incredibly well, they suck, and/or or Petra's incredibly lucky).

The irony is, Petra's tennis--was so beautiful there last year (Istanbul/YEC)--compared to anything she has played this year (the You Tube highlights and matches emphatically confirm this to non-believers). But who the hell knows what to expect from her now indeed. :help:

pov
Oct 22nd, 2012, 02:36 PM
There's so many co-mitigating factors going into this one, and no one knows Petra's PSYCHE, mind you FORM at this stage (Is she just happy to be there, is she intimated by being defending champion or Serena and Masha, is she tired of being a bridesmaid at the biggest events, is she so relaxed--she'll play well--if in form, did those Junior Boys or Istanbul practices really help, etc.)?
:yeah: I was thinking much the same. Plus she's one of only two players there who've had a disappointing year. How she leverages that mentally will be another factor.

ShiftyFella
Oct 22nd, 2012, 03:12 PM
There's so many co-mitigating factors going into this one, and no one knows Petra's PSYCHE, mind you FORM at this stage (Is she just happy to be there, is she intimated by being defending champion or Serena and Masha, is she tired of being a bridesmaid at the biggest events, is she so relaxed--she'll play well--if in form, did those Junior Boys or Istanbul practices really help, etc.)?

Yes she played well in her first HC tournament in North America. But let's be honest, she had one ugly ass first match--that she should have lost--before she pulled it out and started to play well in her third match. Needless to say, she can't afford any early match stinkers here (because even Radwanksa and Errani could take advantage--if she did, unless Petra's serving incredibly well, they suck, and/or or Petra's incredibly lucky).

The irony is, Petra's tennis--was so beautiful there last year (Istanbul/YEC)--compared to anything she has played this year (the You Tube highlights and matches emphatically confirm this to non-believers). But who the hell knows what to expect from her now indeed. :help:
I have to disagree. Today i cleared my mind from any prejudgment and re-watched Wimbeldon and Montreal from 2012 and YEC final from 2011(just finished watching it on ES) plus some highlights from different matchups. Petra looked different to me but it was more about her attitude not the game or lack of fitness. Serve % and W\UE ratio actually looked sometimes better this year than last, yes Petra was missing alot of shots close to the lines that she didn't miss last year and played with little less variety in her game, all of this was because of her slower movement. If we didn't focus only on her 2011 game you can see that this year she played with different strategy, i think new strategy was in place to compensate her lack of fitness. All of this for me just little things that always would be different from tournament to tournament. What stood out is absence of fire in her eyes and amnesia for errors, at times she looked like Sanchez i.e letting silly mistakes to throw her rhythm off. Last year at YEC she looked mentally on from start to finish, like she already won the math before it even started. In Montreal she looked bothered and without fire in her eyes only in the middle of the 3rd set she looked like she really wanted to win this but before that only glimpses of her GOAT attitude. My blind believe in Petra and her game on indoor hard didn't go away but i'm genuinely concerned now about her attitude, i hope she's rock solid in mental department and focused only on winning and not letting silly mistakes get in her head.


btw, what really surprised me is how more better, rock solid and hungry Vika became but at the same time she is more impatient now. If they actually meet i'm not sure Petra can win it

TimeyWimey
Oct 22nd, 2012, 03:39 PM
:yeah: I was thinking much the same. Plus she's one of only two players there who've had a disappointing year. How she leverages that mentally will be another factor.

now i would not say disappointing, but unfortunate

the sad situation this year, even her breakthrough in NA comes when none of current top 3 participates actively, to me, it probably has nothing (or very llittle) to do with Petra or her team, but the sheer dominance of top 3

when Berdych was interviewed in the summer on the perspective for the coming US Open, he said that "despite his best efforts and from some other players, men's tennis' "Big 4" has separated itself from the pack." and i honestly believe Petra would share his thought

i think she's made every effort fighting until losing to Serena in Wimbledon, then she most likely realized 2012 would not be her year

by no means it is complacency or giving up

on the other hand, she captured two titles and a SF in the absence of top 3 :)

putting all the "what-ifs" aside

6 out of 8 GS finalist, 7 out of 8 PM finalist, this is scary

ShiftyFella
Oct 22nd, 2012, 03:50 PM
For Czech speakers or google translate users, David Kotyza's take on each of the 7 remaining YEC participants:

http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitova-pred-turnajem-mistryn-dzn-/tenis.aspx?c=A121020_211049_tenis_ma
I like that Kotyza didn't put pressure on Petra to defend YEC title, also i have to agree with him that last year was dream and this reality and it wasn't that bad but still disappointing. I'm angry that he didn't recognizes 2011 as benchmark moving forward or he just not saying it. His take on players is disappointment, i thought he was talking about matchups and how Petra would fair against them not some mambo-jumbo, though giving sugar to Li Na is funny.

Excelscior
Oct 22nd, 2012, 03:54 PM
I have to disagree. Today i cleared my mind from any prejudgment and re-watched Wimbeldon and Montreal from 2012 and YEC final from 2011(just finished watching it on ES) plus some highlights from different matchups. Petra looked different to me but it was more about her attitude not the game or lack of fitness. Serve % and W\UE ratio actually looked sometimes better this year than last, yes Petra was missing alot of shots close to the lines that she didn't miss last year and played with little less variety in her game, all of this was because of her slower movement. If we didn't focus only on her 2011 game you can see that this year she played with different strategy, i think new strategy was in place to compensate her lack of fitness. All of this for me just little things that always would be different from tournament to tournament. What stood out is absence of fire in her eyes and amnesia for errors, at times she looked like Sanchez i.e letting silly mistakes to throw her rhythm off. Last year at YEC she looked mentally on from start to finish, like she already won the math before it even started. In Montreal she looked bothered and without fire in her eyes only in the middle of the 3rd set she looked like she really wanted to win this but before that only glimpses of her GOAT attitude. My blind believe in Petra and her game on indoor hard didn't go away but i'm genuinely concerned now about her attitude, i hope she's rock solid in mental department and focused only on winning and not letting silly mistakes get in her head.


btw, what really surprised me is how more better, rock solid and hungry Vika became but at the same time she is more impatient now. If they actually meet i'm not sure Petra can win it

I think you're essentially agreeing with me (just in a different way, and you didn't realize it). :lol:

Yes, Petra had great confidence and fire last year during tournaments. She certainly moved better in 2011 (though she did come close in Montreal and parts of Cincy). Agreed.

However, that affects your overall game.

What I noticed (that you called confidence), was Petra had a clarity and decisiveness in her game, that she just didn't have in 2012. Yes!

That clarity and bounce in her step, made Petra serve, returns, ROS, groundies, movement, volley, and changes of pace--hit with confidence and control.

I think the under-mentioned Sydney fold-a-roo to Na, was an early indicator. And obviously the loss, and gazillion missed BP's against Sharapova (which most people point to first), wrote 2011's early demise--I think--in Petra's mind. She probably felt, 'things just weren't going to be the same, as easy, or a carry over from 2011'.

Now, did this lack of confidence, come from (besides her close losses to Masha) lack of fitness, practice/feel, who knows/probably? Cause, despite that, Petra still had opportunities, to win in 2012, even if she wasn't in her best form. That's a heart of a champion.

Let's be honest , Petra folded up her tent and when home, when serving that last game against Masha at the Australian Open.

Petra mentally checked out. It's almost like she thought things were going to be easier for her in 2012, and when they weren't, she didn't know what to do.

Hopefully, she's learned her lesson, will be in top shape, have less misfortune, and re-acquire all or more of her lost confidence and form. If not, it may be another bumpy ride--guys. Lol.

PetraReeMona
Oct 22nd, 2012, 03:58 PM
ABP, please.

I have great fear that a rusty, out of form Petra will crown her season of disappointment in the worst way. Hope I'm wrong,

Same :scared: :sad:

netphobia
Oct 22nd, 2012, 04:04 PM
I think you're essentially agreeing with me (just in a different way, and you didn't realize it). :lol:

Yes, Petra had great confidence and fire last year during tournaments. She certainly moved better in 2011 (though she did come close in Montreal and parts of Cincy). Agreed.

However, that affects your overall game.

What I noticed (that you called confidence), was Petra had a clarity and decisiveness in her game, that she just didn't have in 2012. Yes!

That clarity and bounce in her step, made Petra serve, returns, ROS, groundies, movement, volley, and changes of pace--hit with confidence and control.

I think the under-mentioned Sydney fold-a-roo to Na, was an early indicator. And obviously the loss, and gazillion missed BP's against Sharapova (which most people point to first), wrote 2011's early demise--I think--in Petra's mind. She probably felt, 'things just weren't going to be the same, as easy, or a carry over from 2011'.

Now, did this lack of confidence, come from (besides her close losses to Masha) lack of fitness, practice/feel, who knows? Cause, despite that, Petra still had opportunities, to win in 2012, even if she wasn't in her best form. That's the heart of a champion.

Let's be honest , Petra folded up her tent--and went home, when serving that last game against Masha at the Australian Open.

Which is probably why I was so depressed after that match...

I hope 2013 can be more of a jumping-off point. I'm sure after her 2011 – which she didn't go into with the amount of hype as 2012 - she had a lot of pressure to perform and defend her ranking points and maintain her YEC form. Vika will probably have that pressure in 2013, with her great 2012, but I have a feeling she'll deal with it slightly better than Petra did this year. So maybe now that she's not dealing with such a great preceding season, she'll be more confident?

I still really, really hope that this year was due to injuries and lack of fitness and a loss of confidence rather than it was, she had a really unusual 2011 and 2012 is her standard.

Excelscior
Oct 22nd, 2012, 04:12 PM
Which is probably why I was so depressed after that match...

I hope 2013 can be more of a jumping-off point. I'm sure after her 2011 – which she didn't go into with the amount of hype as 2012 - she had a lot of pressure to perform and defend her ranking points and maintain her YEC form. Vika will probably have that pressure in 2013, with her great 2012, but I have a feeling she'll deal with it slightly better than Petra did this year. So maybe now that she's not dealing with such a great preceding season, she'll be more confident?

I still really, really hope that this year was due to injuries and lack of fitness and a loss of confidence rather than it was, she had a really unusual 2011 and 2012 is her standard.

Yeah.

This is why The Martina Nav (or whoever) chatter comes up. Some one like that, would be a good person for Petra to listen to, when dealing with the injuries, expectations, staying in form, the pressure, competition, etc.

Kotyza or a her sports shrink, may or may not give her good advice and preparation in this this aspect. But who would you believe or listen to more--saying this, Martina Nav or your shrink or "Huggy Bear"-like toe nail polish-shopper/coach?

Excelscior
Oct 22nd, 2012, 04:34 PM
I have to disagree. Today i cleared my mind from any prejudgment and re-watched Wimbeldon and Montreal from 2012 and YEC final from 2011(just finished watching it on ES) plus some highlights from different matchups. Petra looked different to me but it was more about her attitude not the game or lack of fitness. Serve % and W\UE ratio actually looked sometimes better this year than last, yes Petra was missing alot of shots close to the lines that she didn't miss last year and played with little less variety in her game, all of this was because of her slower movement. If we didn't focus only on her 2011 game you can see that this year she played with different strategy, i think new strategy was in place to compensate her lack of fitness. All of this for me just little things that always would be different from tournament to tournament. What stood out is absence of fire in her eyes and amnesia for errors, at times she looked like Sanchez i.e letting silly mistakes to throw her rhythm off. Last year at YEC she looked mentally on from start to finish, like she already won the math before it even started. In Montreal she looked bothered and without fire in her eyes only in the middle of the 3rd set she looked like she really wanted to win this but before that only glimpses of her GOAT attitude. My blind believe in Petra and her game on indoor hard didn't go away but i'm genuinely concerned now about her attitude, i hope she's rock solid in mental department and focused only on winning and not letting silly mistakes get in her head.


btw, what really surprised me is how more better, rock solid and hungry Vika became but at the same time she is more impatient now. If they actually meet i'm not sure Petra can win it

Something else I forgot to add:

With all the things, both you and I discussed (my response to you), Petra was better prepared for her irregular play in 2011 than 2012.

In 2011, Petra's confidence and ultimate form, could over come her patchy play/Siesta's against any opponent. That's the difference, between this year and last year. So we can't always try to extrapolate or compare straight stats from that.

Wimbledon, was one of the few tournaments, where Petra literally dominated--from the first match through out. But even there, Petra took middle set siesta's (while still hitting frequent and spectacular winners in between) against both Pironkova and Vika--sandwiched between her first and third set domination of them.

In 2012, Petra's often patchy play against the top 6 players she played against, wasn't good enough. Her lack of fitness, practice and form, didn't give her the play, confidence or stubbornness to over come those patchy Petra siesta's we've come to know so lovingly and frustratingly at times.

So when some of us point out, the Radwanska, Stosur or Vika match at 2011--YEC, or Vika, Pironkova at 2011 Wimby: We forget, that, it was almost like Petra was toying with them/bored, cause when she Pushed Da Pedal To The Mettle, they just couldn't hang with her. Game, Set and Match! It was over!

This year, Petra needed more "mental" and consistency, to overcome the top players, and Petra didn't have either--mind you the Top end play--she had in reserve (many times in spades) last year to overcome those patches against the top players.

That's the difference!!

Excelscior
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:46 PM
I like that Kotyza didn't put pressure on Petra to defend YEC title, also i have to agree with him that last year was dream and this reality and it wasn't that bad but still disappointing. I'm angry that he didn't recognizes 2011 as benchmark moving forward or he just not saying it. His take on players is disappointment, i thought he was talking about matchups and how Petra would fair against them not some mambo-jumbo, though giving sugar to Li Na is funny.

Agreed.

I understand there may be some Petra Psychology or media double speak/avoidance going on here.....

Nonetheless,I don't understand, why both he and Petra keep declaring--about 2011, "it's/was A Dream".

Like you, I agree Petra and her team should be, trying to build off of 2011 and not use it as some sort of epoch or distant Utopia, despite her relative troubles in 2011.

Sometimes, I wonder if Kotyza is truly over matched at this point? Yeah, he can coach Petra (or she can coach herself) when she's playing well. And I know he can teach her tennis shots. I give him that. But how does he handle the more mental and tactical aspects, approach, and infusion of confidence, when Petra's game, fitness or spirits are patchy?

In a nutshell, how does he handle her overall preparation and confidence? Obviously he did a good to great job in 2011--when little was expected (with maybe the exception at Wimbledon, where she excelled for the 2nd yr in row). But now that the spotlight and pressure is on. How does he (and her Sports Psychologist) handle Petra's total mental, physical, Game, scheduling, improvement, etc., aspects--with people like us, her opponents and the media--constantly watching, waiting, plotting and complaining?

Hopefully, she won't start off the year with any injuries (the infamous Hredecka mild Achilles tear--from a Dec, 2011 Czech league match)--leading to missed tennis training and fitness and its after effects, as she was alleged to have started 2012--into May-July with.

The game is all there (especially with the proper 2011-ish fitness). It just needs to be molded, shaped and cajoled into either very high level consistency, and/or periodic UBER/championship level play, when need be.

The question is: Who's going to Cajole It Out Of Petra, and/or when is it going to come (if ever/again)? :lol:

ShiftyFella
Oct 22nd, 2012, 05:47 PM
Agreed.

I know there may be some Petra Psychology or media double speak/avoidance going on here...But I don't understand either, why both he and her keep saying "it's/was A Dream". Like you: I agree Petra and her team should be, trying to build off of 2011, and not use it as some sort of epoch or Utopia.

Sometimes, I wonder if Kotyza is truly over matched at this point? Yeah, he can coach Petra (or she can coach herself) when she's playing well. And I know he can teach her tennis shots. But how does he handle the more mental and tactical aspects, approach, and declaration of confidence, when Petra's game, fitness or spirits are patchy?
I think she still didn't hit the wall with Kotyza and his ability to coach but she needs to retool her team with missed pieces like full time fitness coach, nutritionist, hitting partner and stuff. Without these pieces it's hard to be on top of your game for long and be successful. Also i think Petra's lack of junior experience not allowing her to see Kotyza as her elementary coach i.e at some point she have to move on from him to coaches who used to coach top players and theirs expectations, best to do it when she is not in drought but when she is sort of ok but still missing something state. Sort of like Azarenka done or look how Li Na changed when Carlos joined her team, Pova raised her game with new coach too.

Queen Petra Fan
Oct 22nd, 2012, 06:31 PM
Tomorrow's #WTAChamps OOP starting 5 pm local (10 am EST)

Aga Radwanska vs @Petra_Kvitova
@SerenaWilliams vs @AngeliqueKerber
Maria Sharapova vs Sara Errani


Starting time is at 16:00 in CZ (I doublechecked.).

We have a six hour difference from EST.

We all know what we're going to see from Aga. :zzz: but consistent.

God knows what to expect from Petra. :confused: Anybody's guess.

:worship: QPF: Praying for good Petra to show up. Good luck Petra!!! :worship:

Queen Petra Fan
Oct 22nd, 2012, 07:06 PM
I like that Kotyza didn't put pressure on Petra to defend YEC title, also i have to agree with him that last year was dream and this reality and it wasn't that bad but still disappointing. I'm angry that he didn't recognizes 2011 as benchmark moving forward or he just not saying it. His take on players is disappointment, i thought he was talking about matchups and how Petra would fair against them not some mambo-jumbo, though giving sugar to Li Na is funny.

I'm not happy about it. He also didn't put any pressure on her to win at the Olympics and we all saw how that went. :sad:

Coach Huggy Bear needs to quit being her security blanket and teach her how to toughen up her attitude and tighten up her game. Her regression from last year is alarming and the way he babies her is holding her back from becoming a dominant player. At some point I hope Cernosek steps in and dumps the lump so Petra can move forward with her game and mental approach.

I appreciate what he did for her in the past but it's pretty clear to see he has maxed out with Petra. If he remains, I wouldn't be surprised at all if next year looks a lot like this year. Her problems this year were a lot more than bad fitness and health. A lot of her problems were between the ears and what good was he for that.

It's also stunning for me to see her team letting her go the final third of the year with no trainer. Even an interim trainer would be better than no trainer. Has her team even noticed that in 2012, fitness matters? All of this year's GS winners were ladies that show up in great condition. It's their starting point. God only knows what shape she will show up in at the AO. So much wasted time when progress could have been being made on getting her into shape for next year. Is it from being cheap, stupid or lazy? What a bunch of assclowns her team is. :facepalm:

:worship: QPF: Holding my thumbs and crossing my fingers for a YEC miracle. Go Petra Go!!! :worship:

Excelscior
Oct 22nd, 2012, 07:20 PM
I'm not happy about it. He also didn't put any pressure on her to win at the Olympics and we all saw how that went. :sad:

Coach Huggy Bear needs to quit being her security blanket and teach her how to toughen up her attitude and tighten up her game. Her regression from last year is alarming and the way he babies her is holding her back from becoming a dominant player. At some point I hope Cernosek steps in and dumps the lump so Petra can move forward with her game and mental approach.

I appreciate what he did for her in the past but it's pretty clear to see he has maxed out with Petra. If he remains, I wouldn't be surprised at all if next year looks a lot like this year. Her problems this year were a lot more than bad fitness and health. A lot of her problems were between the ears and what good was he for that.

It's also stunning for me to see her team letting her go the final third of the year with no trainer. Even an interim trainer would be better than no trainer. Has her team even noticed that in 2012, fitness matters? All of this year's GS winners were ladies that show up in great condition. It's their starting point. God only knows what shape she will show up in at the AO. So much wasted time when progress could have been being made on getting her into shape for next year. Is it from being cheap, stupid or lazy? What a bunch of assclowns her team is. :facepalm:

:worship: QPF: Holding my thumbs and crossing my fingers for a YEC miracle. Go Petra Go!!! :worship:

I ask myself this--all the time. And you forgot to throw in a regular or per diem male hitting partner, instead of Desperately Seeking Susan/Na Hook Ups--before important tournaments, or her teenage boyfriend last year. :help: :shrug: :help:

Queen Petra Fan
Oct 22nd, 2012, 07:20 PM
I ask myself this--all the time (and you forgot to throw in a regular or per diem male hitting partner, instead of desperately trying to "hook up" with Na before important tournaments, or her teenage boyfriend last year). :help: :shrug: :help:

If the other top players have one, than a player of her ranking should also.
She could easily pay back the investment from the improved results.

The thinking of her team is just mystifying.... :facepalm:


:worship: QPF: Staying on the Petra rollercoaster even if I develop ulcers. :worship:

Excelscior
Oct 22nd, 2012, 07:37 PM
If the other top players have one, than a player of her ranking should also.
She could easily pay back the investment from the improved results.

The thinking of her team is just mystifying.... :facepalm:


:worship: QPF: Staying on the Petra rollercoaster even if I develop ulcers. :worship:

True, but we'd heard Koytyza intimate in the past, that 'Petra doesn't like regimentation or standard drills too much'. So maybe Petra doesn't have a regular--In House or per diem hitting partners, cause Kotyza feels she would get bored (which goes back to your discipline/expectations, Petra management argument)? :shrug:

And Csersonek, may be part of the problem (unless Petra starts sinking more quickly--affecting his $$) as well. I say that, because I've heard him mention the type of coaching/coaches Petra needed in the past, and it was more the "Huggy Bear" version--like Kotyza. Maybe things have changed? :scratch:

Obviously, how they see/feel Petra's current and future standards and expectations, may have a lot to do with it. So I agree, they're not acting like they're high (unless they've totally wrote off 2012 and are going to ramp up for 2013). Some how I doubt it (2012 vs 2013 ramp up). :lol: But I just had to throw them a bone; even a tattered one.

We'll see?

netphobia
Oct 22nd, 2012, 07:45 PM
I was wondering how on earth she got by without having a fitness trainer for pretty much 1/3 of the season...

Petra tweeting that picture with "her team" and it was just her and two other people :lol:

Excelscior
Oct 22nd, 2012, 07:58 PM
I was wondering how on earth she got by without having a fitness trainer for pretty much 1/3 of the season...

Petra tweeting that picture with "her team" and it was just her and two other people :lol:

My guess, is that they followed the regimens (eating, exercise and drills) that Ivanko had established?

The real issue is: If Petra slacked off, who would be there, to make sure/prod her back into proper eating habits, drills and regimens (if Kotyza was a softee)? :eek:

Now, I'm going to give Petra the benefit of the doubt, and not assume that she wouldn't want to stay in shape.

As QPC mentioned; I think Petra's issues are not just physical. I think there as much psychological, Strategic-tactical and scheduling/practice, etc., as well.

ShiftyFella
Oct 22nd, 2012, 08:15 PM
I'm not happy about it. He also didn't put any pressure on her to win at the Olympics and we all saw how that went. :sad:

Coach Huggy Bear needs to quit being her security blanket and teach her how to toughen up her attitude and tighten up her game. Her regression from last year is alarming and the way he babies her is holding her back from becoming a dominant player. At some point I hope Cernosek steps in and dumps the lump so Petra can move forward with her game and mental approach.

I appreciate what he did for her in the past but it's pretty clear to see he has maxed out with Petra. If he remains, I wouldn't be surprised at all if next year looks a lot like this year. Her problems this year were a lot more than bad fitness and health. A lot of her problems were between the ears and what good was he for that.

It's also stunning for me to see her team letting her go the final third of the year with no trainer. Even an interim trainer would be better than no trainer. Has her team even noticed that in 2012, fitness matters? All of this year's GS winners were ladies that show up in great condition. It's their starting point. God only knows what shape she will show up in at the AO. So much wasted time when progress could have been being made on getting her into shape for next year. Is it from being cheap, stupid or lazy? What a bunch of assclowns her team is. :facepalm:

:worship: QPF: Holding my thumbs and crossing my fingers for a YEC miracle. Go Petra Go!!! :worship:
How on earth she lost to Kiri i don't know but all her big loses except to Rena were because of missing confidence in her finishing shots and will to fight(fire in her eyes). I think Kotyza had nothing to do with Olympics but she had this kind of loses outside of Olympics, so he's still somewhat responsible but Petra needs to want it more herself, look at Azarenka, she found her confidence in her fitness and desire to win in knowing that she can achieve great results at the top level and tries harder and harder even if the game didn't going her way, Vika today completely different Vika than she was in 2011 YEC final, this time she's more focused and mentally solid, she wasn't even that secure after her AO and 26-0 run. Until Petra embraces her killer instinct and hunger to win there is nothing Kotyza can do, yes she can be better motivated by him but it must come from Petra more than her coach. Even Li Na herself recognized her mental deficiency and willing to work on it.

Petronius
Oct 22nd, 2012, 08:26 PM
Petra tweeting that picture with "her team" and it was just her and two other people :lol:

:lol:

On the other hand, if she wins the YEC, the labour productivity of this 'team' will reach unheard-of levels across WTA. :p

Excelscior
Oct 22nd, 2012, 09:16 PM
How on earth she lost to Kiri i don't know but all her big loses except to Rena were because of missing confidence in her finishing shots and will to fight(fire in her eyes). I think Kotyza had nothing to do with Olympics but she had this kind of loses outside of Olympics, so he's still somewhat responsible but Petra needs to want it more herself, look at Azarenka, she found her confidence in her fitness and desire to win in knowing that she can achieve great results at the top level and tries harder and harder even if the game didn't going her way, Vika today completely different Vika than she was in 2011 YEC final, this time she's more focused and mentally solid, she wasn't even that secure after her AO and 26-0 run. Until Petra embraces her killer instinct and hunger to win there is nothing Kotyza can do, yes she can be better motivated by him but it must come from Petra more than her coach. Even Li Na herself recognized her mental deficiency and willing to work on it.

All true (not just the bolded part). But what you also have to remember is, a good coach, respected confidante or advisor--can make you believe.

If/when a coach says "your the best"! "And not matter how bad you play; trust me, you'll win"--and it happens. Then the player can believe.

I think a coach definitely did that to/for Andy Murray. Previously, he didn't believe, and played like it.

I think Vika's was a natural maturation (remember she was a head case previously), after several years as a top 10-20 type player. And Petra's publicity going into--year 2012, aided Vika's anonymity as well. Petra's Aussie Open semi-final flub against Sharapova, greatly aided Vika's year and subsequent confidence as well.

Excelscior
Oct 22nd, 2012, 10:17 PM
:lol:

On the other hand, if she wins the YEC, the labour productivity of this 'team' will reach unheard-of levels across WTA. :p

It's funny; after reading these, I was thinking--maybe one of the reasons why Petra's team doesn't proactively contact Martina--in any capacity--is because when speaking to her previously--Martina was like:
"What's going on with you guys!!"

"Where's your team Petra!!?" "You need a full time hitting partner, a For Hire tennis specialist for serve, return, etc.. I got you on the volleys babe; a nutritionist, a cook, a Fitness Coach, a and physical therapist. Shoot! I can be your Mentalist. And Petra Babe, you need a Doctor that doesn't take 3 yrs to find you a good inhaler. Too many lost wins/Slams. Speaking of; where's your Tennis Coach!? Oh yeah, him; Da Old Guy. Get rid of him to (in her high pitched Czech English)", etc.. :lol: :tape: :lol:

Martina on the Rampage (who was famous/credited for ushering in The Team/Entourage Into Ladies Tennis).

Geesh, I could only imagine. :oh: Remember in Montreal it was only Petra and her quasi hitting partner--Katie--her PR Manager. Last year in Linz, it was her "Coach" Adam.

So she had a team of 1 (if you could call it/them that).

To be honest, right now she has a full time team of one, if you don't include Katie The PR Lady (and that old guy that many times travels with her).

PetraReeMona
Oct 22nd, 2012, 10:18 PM
"What's going on with you guys!!"

"Where's your team Petra!!?" "You need a full time hitting partner, a For Hire tennis specialist for serve, return, etc.. I got you on the volleys babe; a nutritionist, a cook, a Fitness Coach, a physical therapist; A Doc that doesn't 3 yrs to find you a good inhaler, etc..Shoot! I can be your Mentalist. Where's your Tennis Coach. Oh yeah; him. Get rid of Da Old Guy (in her high pitched Czech English)", etc..

:bigcry: :happy: :happy:

I can't stop laughing.

Where did you find this?

FABULOUS! :lol::lol:

Excelscior
Oct 22nd, 2012, 10:43 PM
:bigcry: :happy: :happy:

I can't stop laughing.

Where did you find this?

FABULOUS! :lol::lol:

Thanks.

I just read the previous post; thought about what Martina would think--in a humorous/stereotypical way, and got silly (on the eve of the YEC). :lol:

I had even adjusted it, added a little, before you posted. :lol:

bruce goose
Oct 23rd, 2012, 05:14 AM
Okay,you others have been offering some worthy insights today,so I'm gonna go in a slightly more meaningless direction by ranking Petra 7th at YEC---as an English speaker(though it's not 100% meaningless in the sense that it affects how approachable she is in communicating with fans).Serena,Masha,Vika...obviously no argument there...and Kerber,like most Germans,speaks the similar tongue fairly decently...though she has a spacy,dizzy sound whenever she talks:lol:.Aga has improved QUITE a bit from two years ago;she used to be almost indecipherable and NOW you can usually figure out what she's saying w/o TOO much trouble.The 6th spot is much closer to call but I'll give the edge to Li cuz she has apparently heard from others as to how thick her accent is...and has compensated by proceeding very slowly.She was a LOT worse a few years back but now outshines the gibberish of her compadres Jie Zheng and Shuai Peng...even her vocab has broadened a bit and I can piece together about 75% of what she says,usually...sometimes more.

As for Petra,she's utterly lovable:hearts:,but her interviews just stagger aimlessly like some guy who's 3 sheets to the wind...and her pronunciation isn't too hot,either.However,when you see how far Aga has come,there's plenty of hope for Petra:angel:.....who will never be as bad as Errani:lol:.I can't understand how the language schools could be so pathetically lousy in a hub of culture like Italy.I'd rate Flavia as the most coherent of the Italian players,and even SHE speaks on about the same level as a 5th or 6th-grader.Mind you,I don't dislike the Italian gals: Fran has been an admirable overachiever with her 2 RG finals and one title,and Vinci is like a dorky,spunky,charming elf who's just having fun out there...and Errani is sort of in the same spirit as her doubles buddy,Roberta......you'll notice that,other than Flavia,they all have a vocabulary pool of around 50 words: "I practice 'berry' hard and I hope to win 'da' match...is good tournament and I like 'bisit' here and da fans really 'lub' da tennis..."----and then they get that glassy-eyed,confused look because they ran out of things to say and just recycle the same words in a different sequence before sputtering out:haha:

....Anyway,I don't care THAT much if Petra's interviews stink as long she plays well:angel:--at least getting a solid tune-up for FC.....VAMOS,Petra:bounce:!!!

netphobia
Oct 23rd, 2012, 06:54 AM
:lol: I could totally watch Petra interviews all day. I don't even know why, since every tennis press conference ever (by a person who isn't well-versed in English...and I mean really well-versed) is basically interchangeable. I could write one right now. "You know, I think I was happy with how I played, and I just tried to, um, play my game, and he/she was playing really well, but I felt like I (served/returned/was aggressive/was consistent) and, you know, etc." Probably just because she's one of my favorite players and she's so freaking adorable but I'm always just like :D through the whole interview. (+all the English quirks and add-ons and idioms. The Wimbledon. 'The cherry on the cake'. And that time when Petra took the phrase 'raining cats and dogs' literally. I DON'T KNOW OKAY)

I love the Italian girls :inlove: because you can tell they're all just enjoying themselves.

And you just know Petra is saving her energy/effort/form for Fed Cup :oh:

(I feel like I should save your entire post because it's so accurate. lol)

Ollie.
Oct 23rd, 2012, 07:41 AM
Please beat Aga, Petra. :cheer: :fiery:

bharatkt
Oct 23rd, 2012, 11:23 AM
This is the most crucial match. She will definitely beat Sara and with her current form I don't see her beating Maria (though I hope she does and avoid Serena in the Semis). But everything depends on this match. So Petra please don't let us down. Go and beat Aga.

Mynarco
Oct 23rd, 2012, 03:41 PM
SO disappointed. SO disappointed. Getting into YEC with NO indoor tournament warmup. Flopping HARD against Agatha (which WAS an important match to win). 41 errors in 17 games.

Out of excuses. Out of reasons.

Excelscior
Oct 23rd, 2012, 03:42 PM
Awful!

And come to think I missed an important business call (momentary lapse of indecision) for this.

SMH

pling
Oct 23rd, 2012, 03:45 PM
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Excelscior
Oct 23rd, 2012, 03:46 PM
This is the most crucial match. She will definitely beat Sara and with her current form I don't see her beating Maria (though I hope she does and avoid Serena in the Semis). But everything depends on this match. So Petra please don't let us down. Go and beat Aga.

If she would have looked confident in this and the Errani match, you would feel good about Maria, depending on how Petra was playing.

Like I said before, she was horrendous in Montreal (and even in her first two matches at Linz last year), and should have lost, till she caught her groove thing in her third match. But at this tournament (yes, even against Aga and Errani--indoors), if Petra's rusty and doesn't give two you know what's, she can loose.

Just dreadful. Those people in the audience should as for a % of their money back.

It's like she didn't even care. And she certainly had her chances. Aga was not impressive to me.

Hands in the air.

Excelscior
Oct 23rd, 2012, 03:46 PM
SO disappointed. SO disappointed. Getting into YEC with NO indoor tournament warmup. Flopping HARD against Agatha (which WAS an important match to win). 41 errors in 17 games.

Out of excuses. Out of reasons.

You said it! :tape:

Sasja
Oct 23rd, 2012, 03:46 PM
OMG such a bad loss for Petra. 41 UE :sobbing:

Only was able to watch the last couple of games. But that was really bad :tape:

HowardH
Oct 23rd, 2012, 03:49 PM
The difficulty of qualifying for the semis from this group is now very high for her. Aga will probably beat Sara in straight sets and will pretty much be assured of a semifinal berth. She will have to beat Sharapova and Sara by good scores and hope other results go her way. Looking really tough now.

Mynarco
Oct 23rd, 2012, 03:50 PM
More than that. Where is her fighting spirit? Did her best to fight back for 3-3* and folded like a cheap tent.
Really disappointing opener.

ShiftyFella
Oct 23rd, 2012, 04:04 PM
The difficulty of qualifying for the semis from this group is now very high for her. Aga will probably beat Sara in straight sets and will pretty much be assured of a semifinal berth. She will have to beat Sharapova and Sara by good scores and hope other results go her way. Looking really tough now.
Petra already lost her chance cause Maria is next and Aga needs only 2-0 from Errani. Only chance Petra has if she bagels Maria and beats Errani.

PetraReeMona
Oct 23rd, 2012, 04:08 PM
Well Serena hasn't played any indoor matches and she's got Kerber. Serena is playing amazing. Why can't Petra do similar?:mad:



Congrats Serena.

Excelscior
Oct 23rd, 2012, 04:18 PM
More than that. Where is her fighting spirit? Did her best to fight back for 3-3* and folded like a cheap tent.
Really disappointing opener.

You said it again. :eek: :lol: :eek:

Like a cheap tent, against an Angry Grizzly, seeking their cub, with food inside of it. :help:

Excelscior
Oct 23rd, 2012, 04:20 PM
Well Serena hasn't played any indoor matches and she's got Kerber. Serena is playing amazing. Why can't Petra do similar?:mad:



Congrats Serena.

It's called a brain, confidence, attitude, belief, a regular hitting parter (which you guys always seem to underestimate)--Sasha, A legacy--you believe In, handling the spot light, etc., etc., etc., :oh:

There are reasons. But it doesn't mean Petra can't eventually overcome this (hopefully sooner than later).

cosmoose
Oct 23rd, 2012, 05:00 PM
From Cronin.
@TennisReporters Kvitova teary eyed in presser, admitted serious nerves, couldnt move feet, hands shook, both "angry and sad"

Excelscior
Oct 23rd, 2012, 05:15 PM
From Cronin.
@TennisReporters Kvitova teary eyed in presser, admitted serious nerves, couldnt move feet, hands shook, both "angry and sad"

Who cares!!

Nerves for what?

You had already been through this at Wimby and to a similar degree at The Olympics (which was at Wimby for your country).

So what, every time she wins a prestigious title, she's going to freak out the next time she plays there?

I guess Peter Bodo was right after all. :help:

The nerves, were probably because, she knew she couldn't play. Tell us that part, Petra. SMH. Lol.

PetraReeMona
Oct 23rd, 2012, 05:19 PM
Who cares!!

Nerves for what?

You had already been through this at Wimby and to a similar degree at The Olympics (which was at Wimby for your country).

So what, every time she wins a prestigious title, she's going to freak out the next time she plays there?

I guess Peter Bodo was right after all. :help:

The nerves, were probably because, she knew she couldn't play. Tell us that part, Petra. SMH. Lol.

Fed Cup @ home - how nervous will she be there? :scared:

steni
Oct 23rd, 2012, 05:28 PM
Martina is dissapointed too...

@stephanie_her: @Martina Hi Martina! What do you think about Petra's performance today? As a fan I'm very disappointed :(
@Martina: @stephanie_her I didn't see it,but I don't know what is going on with her. Disappointed too...

Excelscior
Oct 23rd, 2012, 05:52 PM
Martina is dissapointed too...

@stephanie_her: @Martina Hi Martina! What do you think about Petra's performance today? As a fan I'm very disappointed :(
@Martina: @stephanie_her I didn't see it,but I don't know what is going on with her. Disappointed too...

Lifeline; Lifeline: Lifeline Alert!!!

Petra make that phone call (if you bomb out), after the tournament babes. Martina's waiting.

She's not just a "commentator" or "All Time Great", she's a fan as well. Otherwise she wouldn't say she was "disappointed".

Now, unless you don't like to let people down (though you been doing a lot of that lately), or seeing them down--because of you, make that phone Call Petra. Martina wants to know (like The Late Great Marvin Gaye) What's Going On?

And yes, make a PHONE CALL. Cause a text or e-mail is not immediate enough (and you have your Love--Fed Cup coming up as well).

You may be nervous for that to?

TimeyWimey
Oct 23rd, 2012, 06:10 PM
From Cronin.
@TennisReporters Kvitova teary eyed in presser, admitted serious nerves, couldnt move feet, hands shook, both "angry and sad"

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5MF4nKCcAEtpLY.jpg

well, tbh, it works for me :lol:

steni
Oct 23rd, 2012, 06:12 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5MF4nKCcAEtpLY.jpg

well, tbh, it works for me :lol:

Lol...

paulmara
Oct 23rd, 2012, 06:21 PM
Kotyza "debacle … one of the worst matches of the year“

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis/131882/vybuch-chybujici-kvitova-si-zkomplikovala-postup-do-semifinale.html

PetraReeMona
Oct 23rd, 2012, 06:27 PM
Kotyza "debacle … one of the worst matches of the year“

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis/131882/vybuch-chybujici-kvitova-si-zkomplikovala-postup-do-semifinale.html

Is that what he said?

Anything else he said paulmara?

Excelscior
Oct 23rd, 2012, 06:29 PM
Kotyza "debacle … one of the worst matches of the year“

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis/131882/vybuch-chybujici-kvitova-si-zkomplikovala-postup-do-semifinale.html

Well, at least he knows.

I didn't read it yet. And not sure if I want to, either. :lol:

ShiftyFella
Oct 23rd, 2012, 06:43 PM
Is that what he said?

Anything else he said paulmara?
He said that she played below her potential, it was one of the weakest performance by her and that they practiced alot but it didn't translated into her game on court.


upd
Well, at least he knows.

I didn't read it yet. And not sure if I want to, either. :lol:
there nothing to read, just few quotes from Petra, Aga, HuggyBear and small report about Serena's performance

TimeyWimey
Oct 23rd, 2012, 06:47 PM
she has one day off tomorrow, pova vs aga in the 3rd

Excelscior
Oct 23rd, 2012, 07:00 PM
He said that she played below her potential, it was one of the weakest performance by her and that they practiced alot but it didn't translated into her game on court.


upd

there nothing to read, just few quotes from Petra, Aga, HuggyBear and small report about Serena's performance

Maybe Petra should steal Aga's coach? :tape:

Cause obviously, by Kotyza's/Petra's actions, results and words, Aga's coach, believes in Petra more than he does (I don't believe that, just silly trolling).

But then again, who knows? :oh: :scratch: :oh:

netphobia
Oct 23rd, 2012, 07:36 PM
At least having low expectations means that I'm not exactly surprised about this...

:sad:

This is a bad way to start off. It also doesn't give me a lot of hope vs. Maria. The only match I think she'll win is Errani, but she might choke that and go 0-3. (:sobbing:)

(Also, if pretty much any other player made those excuses, I would probably be pissed at them for not playing up to their potential. Instead, I'm just like :awww:)

steni
Oct 23rd, 2012, 07:46 PM
I dont see Petra winning her next match either f*** she is gonna need a miracle to beat Sharapova :help:

Excelscior
Oct 23rd, 2012, 07:50 PM
I dont see Petra winning her next match either f*** she is gonna need a miracle to beat Sharapova :help:

If you don't feel she's going to beat Errani, why would you be upset about her losing to Sharapova (unless you hate her--Sharapova)?

Deestruction
Oct 24th, 2012, 06:07 AM
Oh fuck me :facepalm:

bruce goose
Oct 24th, 2012, 06:44 AM
Okay,this probably isn't the best time for negativity,but 41 UEs in 17 games works out to slightly over 2.4 UEs....PER GAME!!!Perhaps Vikapower could give us some stats on this,but my guess is that an average of THREE UEs per game is almost unattainable for pros....sort of like imitating Rafa to the extreme by sticking your hand deep up in your ass WHILE you're playing and trying to strike the ball simultaneously with the free arm.Barring that,the punching bag players who NEVER make it thru qualies probably average around 2.7 or 2.75 UEs per game once in a while which,by my speculation,means that 2.5 is likely rock bottom for any Top 100 WTA player...and Petra almost reached that "achievement".....To echo some earlier wishes,I'd like Navrat to be 'gently assertive' in suggesting to Petra:angel: that she could use some help with her mental prep and a few other areas

Lufa
Oct 24th, 2012, 10:32 AM
Defending champ @Petra_Kvitova withdraws from #WTAChamps due to viral illness. Will be replaced in the White group by Sam Stosur.

fucking sickness and injuries butchered whole year :(
this explains her defeat(s) a lot, she is too classy/proud/st*pid? to withdraw/retire

paulmara
Oct 24th, 2012, 11:06 AM
acute bronchitis

http://www.sport.cz/ostatni/tenis/clanek/436887-kvitova-titul-na-turnaji-mistryn-neobhaji-kvuli-nemoci-se-odhlasila.html#hp-sez

I am very sorry to tell you that I have to withdraw from the WTA Championships.Unfortunately I am suffering from BRONCHITIS and after consulting with the WTA medical team I have decided that I am unable to continue here in Istanbul.

steni
Oct 24th, 2012, 11:31 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5MF4nKCcAEtpLY.jpg

well, tbh, it works for me :lol:

If you don't feel she's going to beat Errani, why would you be upset about her losing to Sharapova (unless you hate her--Sharapova)?

Oh Im talking about Sharapova, I thought she is Petra's next opponent!

steni
Oct 24th, 2012, 11:34 AM
acute bronchitis

http://www.sport.cz/ostatni/tenis/clanek/436887-kvitova-titul-na-turnaji-mistryn-neobhaji-kvuli-nemoci-se-odhlasila.html#hp-sez

This is better, hopefully she will be ready for Fed Cup!

bharatkt
Oct 24th, 2012, 11:59 AM
Well actually such a news should make me sad. But I feel better now. She wasn't looking good during yesterday's match. It looked as if she was in some kind of agony, so it's better for her to go home, rest and be ready for the fed cup final.

King Halep
Oct 24th, 2012, 12:31 PM
She should be back in time for the competition that really matters

pov
Oct 24th, 2012, 12:39 PM
Defending champion Petra Kvitova has withdrawn from the WTA Championships in Istanbul with a viral illness. Australian Samantha Stosur will replace her.


IMO this puts paid to the notion of Kvitova as being any more noble than other top players. She ain't sick! She's playing like crap, can't see how to change that and withdrew to save herself more embarrassment. Sad to see such a stellar talent reach this level.

King Halep
Oct 24th, 2012, 12:51 PM
Thought you said you werent immature

pov
Oct 24th, 2012, 01:19 PM
Thought you said you werent immature
I'm glad you brought this up here because it shows how nonsensical your attack is. What, explain to me, is immature in seeing that PK obviously withdrew for reasons other than illness?

No, cancel that. If that is what you consider immature, then don't even bother to attempt to explain. Thanks.

bruce goose
Oct 24th, 2012, 01:25 PM
Well,I'm forced to agree with 'pov' just a bit on THIS one;Petra probably has a cold or something...maybe allergies...but she didn't say WORD ONE about not feeling well in her presser yesterday.This has one of those foul,Ivanovic stenches to it: She got her ass kicked in embarrassing fashion and concocts some sort of irrefutable,sudden illness to counteract the negative press over a crappy effort.

Once again,I'm NOT saying that Petra didn't have some small,nagging malady such as a cold,but it sure as hell didn't look like anything that would justify a Slam-level withdrawal...the ONLY argument in Petra's favor is that she may have gotten worse AFTER the match

TimeyWimey
Oct 24th, 2012, 01:46 PM
:facepalm: hard to imagine but let's see which Petra will show up in Prague next weekend.....

Excelscior
Oct 24th, 2012, 01:54 PM
SPEECHLESS!!!!!!!!

And you guys know that's hard to do. :lol: :tape: :lol:

This is what I turned my computer/TF on to, huh? WTT????????

Don't know what to think. :scratch:

Wow (hand on mouth)!

Amazing turn of events, to say the least.

Dunno; Peter Bodo may be getting close? :oh:

What can you say to this one? :shrug:

Whadda A Year (to say the least) and ending to it.

Excelscior
Oct 24th, 2012, 02:01 PM
PS: Petra's ranking may fall out of the top 8 as well (though I haven't looked at the numbers and possibilities)?

Wow!

Excelscior
Oct 24th, 2012, 02:03 PM
:facepalm: hard to imagine but let's see which Petra will show up in Prague next weekend.....

Do, or would you ever see Petra not playing in Fed Cup (though she can have a entire country's worth of players to fill in for her), due to illness?

I tell ya, this crazy. I don't know what to think. :scratch:

ShiftyFella
Oct 24th, 2012, 02:42 PM
Now i'm feeling like shit, returned home with positive attitude and now THIS!:o

netphobia
Oct 24th, 2012, 02:47 PM
:sobbing:

Maybe this is good because I had a dream last night that Petra lost to Errani 0 and 2.

PetraReeMona
Oct 24th, 2012, 04:10 PM
acute bronchitis

http://www.sport.cz/ostatni/tenis/clanek/436887-kvitova-titul-na-turnaji-mistryn-neobhaji-kvuli-nemoci-se-odhlasila.html#hp-sez

No it's not - ask Pov, he knows it's not.

GET THAT POSTER BANNED FROM HERE!!!!!!!

PetraReeMona
Oct 24th, 2012, 04:24 PM
IMO this puts paid to the notion of Kvitova as being any more noble than other top players. She ain't sick! She's playing like crap, can't see how to change that and withdrew to save herself more embarrassment. Sad to see such a stellar talent reach this level.

Are you an Internet doctor? Do you do diagnosis over the net then, because I've got symptoms and cannot see the doctor until tomorrow. Can you help please? I'm also an asthma sufferer. Thank goodness I don't have a thyroid problem.

So what do you think is wrong with me:confused:

PetraReeMona
Oct 24th, 2012, 05:41 PM
Are you an Internet doctor? Do you do diagnosis over the net then, because I've got symptoms and cannot see the doctor until tomorrow. Can you help please? I'm also an asthma sufferer. Thank goodness I don't have a thyroid problem.

So what do you think is wrong with me:confused:

No diagnosis yet? :scratch:

Oh... you must be still diagnosing other people over the internet ;)

paulmara
Oct 24th, 2012, 06:04 PM
They told me 10 minutes before my press conference that I caught something. I was shocked. I didn´t want to talk about it. It was not official.

http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitova-po-odstoupeni-z-turnaje-mistryn-fpp-/tenis.aspx?c=A121024_160312_tenis_ma

ShiftyFella
Oct 24th, 2012, 06:21 PM
http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitova-po-odstoupeni-z-turnaje-mistryn-fpp-/tenis.aspx?c=A121024_160312_tenis_ma
Great article, i didn't know that she has psychologist

Deestruction
Oct 24th, 2012, 06:39 PM
Ok now i am about to cry :sobbing: :crying2:

Excelscior
Oct 24th, 2012, 06:43 PM
Great article, i didn't know that she has psychologist

Sports Psychologist; a lot of tennis players and other athletes have them.

I didn't read the article though. Lol.

Sasja
Oct 24th, 2012, 06:56 PM
Really sad about the WD :sobbing:

Really wanted her to finish the year with a few good wins here in Istanbul and FC. Just was able to see the last bit of the match against Aga. Would have been nice to get her revenge for that loss and play well against Errani/Sharapova.

:hug:

ShiftyFella
Oct 24th, 2012, 06:59 PM
Sports Psychologist; a lot of tennis players and other athletes have them.

I didn't read the article though. Lol.
I'm from USSR so i don't believe in psychologist and stuff they do, bitch slapping and vodka with first hobo you meet sorts everything out perfectly:rolls::lol:


btw, you should read the article, it's great and without typical vague nonsense that usually exist in her interviews:yeah:

netphobia
Oct 24th, 2012, 07:49 PM
I used Google Translate on the article. :help: :tape: But it was enough to get the gist of it. Like some posters here said, the SF loss to Maria in Australia (as well as Kirilenko) affected her a lot.

I'm sick today too (fever/sore throat/lightheaded/super fun things such as that) so at the moment I feel a lot of sympathy :lol:

Barktra
Oct 24th, 2012, 07:52 PM
What is her ranking going to be now?

Excelscior
Oct 24th, 2012, 07:53 PM
I'm from USSR so i don't believe in psychologist and stuff they do, bitch slapping and vodka with first hobo you meet sorts everything out perfectly:rolls::lol:


btw, you should read the article, it's great and without typical vague nonsense that usually exist in her interviews:yeah:

Absolutely hilarious, and I can sure dig it (agree/see). :lol:

OK. I'll look at the interview/article when I can.

I kinda been staying away from them, cause I don't know what to believe lately (cause the news, reasons and changes are happening so fast).

I was kinda waiting for things to settle down first (on all our parts, including Petra and her team).

netphobia
Oct 24th, 2012, 08:08 PM
Ok now i am about to cry :sobbing: :crying2:

D: :hug:

I don't think she should play the exo with Maria. Maybe not even Fed Cup. She needs to rest/recover and playing exos and tournaments isn't a good idea when you're coming back from illness.

pov
Oct 24th, 2012, 11:39 PM
No it's not - ask Pov, he knows it's not.

GET THAT POSTER BANNED FROM HERE!!!!!!!
If genuine fandom is any guide,I have more right to be here than you. You seem to think being a fan means being non-critical of everything PK does and you're more interested in bashing other players than in seeing her play up to her potential. IOW as a supposed fan . you suck.

netphobia
Oct 24th, 2012, 11:41 PM
If genuine fandom is any guide,I have more right to be here than you. You seem to think being a fan means being non-critical of everything PK does and you're more interested in bashing other players than in seeing her play up to her potential. IOW as a supposed fan . you suck.

Except there's a difference between criticism and being a jerk about it.

You make good posts sometimes, but other times I can't help but wonder "wow are you actually a fan or..."

pov
Oct 24th, 2012, 11:55 PM
Except there's a difference between criticism and being a jerk about it.

"

:confused: I agree but how was I being a jerk? I saw that she'd withdrawn, was pissed and posted about it. I'm very disappointed in PK's season and no I'm not going to make excuses for her or be all nice about it. IMO she needs to get herself together before all that talent goes to waste. I'm a fan not her Mom. I want to see her dominate the tour not cuddle her.

netphobia
Oct 25th, 2012, 12:02 AM
:confused: I agree but how was I being a jerk? I saw that she'd withdrawn, was pissed and posted about it. I'm very disappointed in PK's season and no I'm not going to make excuses for her or be all nice about it. IMO she needs to get herself together before all that talent goes to waste. I'm a fan not her Mom. I want to see her dominate the tour not cuddle her.

:shrug: Fair enough, but I don't see how you can put every single loss as 100% her fault due to lack of effort or whatever. She has been injured/ill a good portion of the season.

pov
Oct 25th, 2012, 12:10 AM
:shrug: Fair enough, but I don't see how you can put every single loss as 100% her fault due to lack of effort or whatever. She has been injured/ill a good portion of the season.
:confused: Agreed. But I support her even when she loses. Her losses don't bother me. What does bother me are the extended periods of not playing her game, of seeming unfocused, of not bringing it like she can. I'm far from the only one on here saying these things. In fact I see many posting things that are similar to what I was posting months ago, even if they use "nicer" language. And if I'm incorrect and the main thing that's off has been her illness then I'll be glad, take my lumps and apologize for being so incorrect.

bruce goose
Oct 26th, 2012, 04:12 AM
Will assume that Petra was merely being whimsical when she suggested that Stosur could 'win some matches for her'.I refuse to believe that Petra is so dizzy as to think that a YEC alternate would ever have any such motivation:lol:.If so,then she'll be sorely disappointed by today's 3rd-set bagel,but at least S.S. tried to honor Petra by nearly mimicking her UE count

18majors
Oct 26th, 2012, 10:58 PM
Can't wait for 2013 season to start, a season Petra will resurrect and rise to top 2 ranking from No. 8.

Petronius
Oct 27th, 2012, 12:02 AM
Can't wait for 2013 season to start, a season Petra will resurrect and rise to top 2 ranking from No. 8.

I hope Petra will resurrect as early as November 3 and 4 to win the 7th FedCup trophy for CZ so that we can finally catch up with the Aussies in all-time rankings :lol:

18majors
Oct 27th, 2012, 12:33 AM
I hope Petra will resurrect as early as November 3 and 4 to win the 7th FedCup trophy for CZ so that we can finally catch up with the Aussies in all-time rankings :lol:

Yes, let's do this Petra.

Queen Petra Fan
Oct 27th, 2012, 06:24 AM
:confused: Agreed. But I support her even when she loses. Her losses don't bother me. What does bother me are the extended periods of not playing her game, of seeming unfocused, of not bringing it like she can. I'm far from the only one on here saying these things. In fact I see many posting things that are similar to what I was posting months ago, even if they use "nicer" language. And if I'm incorrect and the main thing that's off has been her illness then I'll be glad, take my lumps and apologize for being so incorrect.

I couldn't agree with you more POV.

What's been infuriating me about Petra's 'game' for a long time has been her inability to play some semblance of consistent 'normal' keep the ball between the lines tennis. It's ridiculous for a player of her talent level and ranking to play so wildly. In all my years of watching tennis, I've never seen a top player who was so damn wild with his/her shots. I'm not going to write a monologue about all of this, the matches and results speak for themselves. The bottom line because of this problem is she now consistently loses to people she should dominate, and she now has next to no chance of beating the top players. Has anyone noticed at YEC, when the announcers are talking about the tour's elite players, Petra is no longer part of the conversation? Sad.

And none of this even touches on what could be going on between her ears. That's the part that's been scaring me even more lately. Our poor Petra seems to be having big time confidence problems. Meanwhile, all of her top competitors Serena, Vika, Masha, etc.) seem to be happily, cockily, arrogantly, strutting their way to the finals of tournament after tournament. The second level of consistent performers on the tour seem to be the Hard Workers group: Aga, Sara, Angie, etc. In the past, Petra could get past this group because of superior talent and a modicum of consistency. Lately. . . :sad:

Frankly, I'm really worried now about how she will perform against BG's beloved Ana at Fed Cup. Even my seven year old commented that whoever the Czech #2 is better play well because Petra really stinks right now. Damn, even a seven year old can see the difference! :facepalm:

Let's hope the local support wakes her up for a moment so she can find her mojo again. She's going to need it. Itchy shorts aside, Ana has upped her game recently and will be fighting like hell for the win. She's been inspired this year (I believe she has a new coach (?). With the right strategy she could give Petra big problems. Lately, she's been playing fiesty and aggressively-that could give Petra problems if she's not ready to handle it.

Also, I wish Petra didn't have to play that stupid exhibition with Maria. Except for the cash, what the hell is that going to do for her. These two aren't even nearly at the same level at the moment. I hope Maria's feeling charitable that night, I somehow think she won't (Bagels anyone?). I had every chance to buy tickets to this farce, but for obvious reasons decided not to waste my money. I don't think it's going to be very entertaining....

Poor Petra. Poor Petra. What is she going to do with herself? How is she going to resurrect her game? When is she going to get her mojo back?

Without changes in her team, attitude and training program, I fear next year is going to look a lot like this year.
Petra's problems go way beyond just her health and fitness. I really pray she can find a way to turn things around.
She's a good kid and it's such a waste of talent.... What a shame.

:worship: QPF: On the Petra rollercoaster, til the wheels come off. Fed Cup here we come!!! :worship:

Queen Petra Fan
Oct 27th, 2012, 06:30 AM
I hope Petra will resurrect as early as November 3 and 4 to win the 7th FedCup trophy for CZ so that we can finally catch up with the Aussies in all-time rankings :lol:


Thank God we have such a great doubles team in case it comes down to it.

:worship::hearts: Andrea-Lucie :hearts: :worship:

Excelscior
Oct 27th, 2012, 02:35 PM
I couldn't agree with you more POV.

What's been infuriating me about Petra's 'game' for a long time has been her inability to play some semblance of consistent 'normal' keep the ball between the lines tennis. It's ridiculous for a player of her talent level and ranking to play so wildly. In all my years of watching tennis, I've never seen a top player who was so damn wild with his/her shots. I'm not going to write a monologue about all of this, the matches and results speak for themselves. The bottom line because of this problem is she now consistently loses to people she should dominate, and she now has next to no chance of beating the top players. Has anyone noticed at YEC, when the announcers are talking about the tour's elite players, Petra is no longer part of the conversation? Sad.

And none of this even touches on what could be going on between her ears. That's the part that's been scaring me even more lately. Our poor Petra seems to be having big time confidence problems. Meanwhile, all of her top competitors Serena, Vika, Masha, etc.) seem to be happily, cockily, arrogantly, strutting their way to the finals of tournament after tournament. The second level of consistent performers on the tour seem to be the Hard Workers group: Aga, Sara, Angie, etc. In the past, Petra could get past this group because of superior talent and a modicum of consistency. Lately. . . :sad:

Frankly, I'm really worried now about how she will perform against BG's beloved Ana at Fed Cup. Even my seven year old commented that whoever the Czech #2 is better play well because Petra really stinks right now. Damn, even a seven year old can see the difference! :facepalm:

Let's hope the local support wakes her up for a moment so she can find her mojo again. She's going to need it. Itchy shorts aside, Ana has upped her game recently and will be fighting like hell for the win. She's been inspired this year (I believe she has a new coach (?). With the right strategy she could give Petra big problems. Lately, she's been playing fiesty and aggressively-that could give Petra problems if she's not ready to handle it.

Also, I wish Petra didn't have to play that stupid exhibition with Maria. Except for the cash, what the hell is that going to do for her. These two aren't even nearly at the same level at the moment. I hope Maria's feeling charitable that night, I somehow think she won't (Bagels anyone?). I had every chance to buy tickets to this farce, but for obvious reasons decided not to waste my money. I don't think it's going to be very entertaining....

Poor Petra. Poor Petra. What is she going to do with herself? How is she going to resurrect her game? When is she going to get her mojo back?

Without changes in her team, attitude and training program, I fear next year is going to look a lot like this year.
Petra's problems go way beyond just her health and fitness. I really pray she can find a way to turn things around.
She's a good kid and it's such a waste of talent.... What a shame.

:worship: QPF: On the Petra rollercoaster, til the wheels come off. Fed Cup here we come!!! :worship:

Can you say/ask, where's her consistent hitting partner (on the first bolded point)? :scratch:

As discussed, I think this has a lot to do with Petra's wildness (along with brainfarts, lack of game plan and requisite conditioning or form).

I think on this or another post, you had mentioned the subject of Csersonek and needed changes to Petra's team.

Did you ever think about this QPF? Maybe Csersonek's part of the problem? Or maybe, Csersonek already went to Petra about possible changes and Petra nearly freaked out/said no, so his hands felt tied with his current meal ticket? :shrug:

That's why she needs and additional/better team or advisors around her (if Petra feels so committed to Kotyza).

Petronius
Oct 27th, 2012, 04:32 PM
We know the finalists.

And it makes me even more insist on my opinion that one of the reasons Petra won the YEC last year is that neither Serena, nor healthy Maria participated in the tournament.

It would be nice to see the outcome if all these three were healthy and played their best, but we'll have to wait until 2013.

Excelscior
Oct 27th, 2012, 06:09 PM
We know the finalists.

And it makes me even more insist on my opinion that one of the reasons Petra won the YEC last year is that neither Serena, nor healthy Maria participated in the tournament.

It would be nice to see the outcome if all these three were healthy and played their best, but we'll have to wait until 2013.

Would you stop with this please, when every body knows--down to Aga's coach even, that Petra is not the same player she was last year.

Geesh! The guy compared her to approaching the Perfect Tennis Player last year. Do you really think Sharapova would have beat that (or you really can't tell the differences between Petra's game this year and last year)?

Honestly; did you actually/really watch the YEC last year Petronius? Seriously. :confused:

This is not about how well or lucky Sharapova is playing (Vika may have been tired or injured). Stop taking away from Petra's year/YEC last year, when she obviously hasn't lived up to that standard this year. Plus, last years over. Petra's' got bigger, her own concerns--than what Sharapova and Serena are doing right now.

What is so hard to see? :shrug:

ShiftyFella
Oct 27th, 2012, 06:41 PM
Would you stop with this please, when every body knows--down to Aga's coach even, that Petra is not the same player she was last year.

Geesh! The guy compared her to approaching the Perfect Tennis Player last year. Do you really think Sharapova would have beat that (or you really can't tell the differences between Petra's game this year and last year)?

Honestly; did you actually/really watch the YEC last year Petronius? Seriously. :confused:

This is not about how well or lucky Sharapova is playing (Vika may have been tired or injured). Stop taking away from Petra's year/YEC last year, when she obviously hasn't lived up to that standard this year. Plus, last years over. Petra's' got bigger, her own concerns--than what Sharapova and Serena are doing right now.

What is so hard to see? :shrug:
I think he is partially right. Petra, Pova and Vika won their share of slams only because Serena GOAT was absent, only Pova managed to beat Ree once but it was a long time ago(see flip-flop part). Ree now refocused and in great form, so basically all of them if they want to win more slams need to figure out how to beat her or pray she would flop to no names at slam. Where i find him wrong is on the whole YEC winning thing, Petra winning YEC was meant to happen same way Rena winning OG because they both were in ultra focus hungry zone and it was destined from the above.

Excelscior
Oct 27th, 2012, 06:44 PM
I think he is partially right. Petra, Pova and Vika won their share of slams only because Serena GOAT was absent, only Pova managed to beat Ree once but it was a long time ago(see flip-flop part). Ree now refocused and in great form, so basically all of them if they want to win more slams need to figure out how to beat her or pray she would flop to no names at slam. Where i find him wrong is on the whole YEC winning thing, Petra winning YEC was meant to happen same way Rena winning OG because they both were in ultra focus hungry zone and it was destined from the above.

You noticed, I didn't mention Rena (purposefully). I only mentioned Pova. :eek: Big difference. :lol:

The second bolded paragraph is self explanatory.

Petronius
Oct 27th, 2012, 08:50 PM
Would you stop with this please, when every body knows--down to Aga's coach even, that Petra is not the same player she was last year.

Geesh! The guy compared her to approaching the Perfect Tennis Player last year. Do you really think Sharapova would have beat that (or you really can't tell the differences between Petra's game this year and last year)?


LOL, I love going over this with you. :lol: My point is obvious: Yes, Petra was in BETTER shape last year, but on the other hand, Serena and Sharapova were in WORSE shape, they were not playing at their best.

It is short-sighted to celebrate wins when your favorite player is near to her peak, while the opposition is off-peak. Anyway, the numbers are clear, Petra is 0-3 in her last three matches against both Serena and Maria.

Moreover, Serena and Sharpie have already proven they can win or get to the finals of big tournaments even without any warm-up. They are simply that good. Petra's yet to prove this.

I will be more than happy, if Petra works hard in the off-season and beats Serena, Maria and Azarenka in 2013, while displaying a great offensive tennis. :cool:

ShiftyFella
Oct 27th, 2012, 09:12 PM
LOL, I love going over this with you. :lol: My point is obvious: Yes, Petra was in BETTER shape last year, but on the other hand, Serena and Sharapova were in WORSE shape, they were not playing at their best.

It is short-sighted to celebrate wins when your favorite player is near to her peak, while the opposition is off-peak. Anyway, the numbers are clear, Petra is 0-3 in her last three matches against both Serena and Maria.

Moreover, Serena and Sharpie have already proven they can win or get to the finals of big tournaments even without any warm-up. They are simply that good. Petra's yet to prove this.

I will be more than happy, if Petra works hard in the off-season and beats Serena, Maria and Azarenka in 2013, while displaying a great offensive tennis. :cool:
So how this is Petra's fault? Petra beat who she have to beat on route to her titles, you can't diminish her achievements just because of that. I agree she has to beat them at the big stage like Vika did against Masha this year and be consistent enough to reach at least SF in slams but not less than QF in order to be considered proper TOP player in the future but in 2011 especially at YEC she validated her slam win.

Excelscior
Oct 27th, 2012, 10:26 PM
=Petronius;22392597LOL, I love going over this with you. :lol: My point is obvious: Yes, Petra was in BETTER shape last year, but on the other hand, Serena and Sharapova were in WORSE shape, they were not playing at their best.

It is short-sighted to celebrate wins when your favorite player is near to her peak, while the opposition is off-peak. Anyway, the numbers are clear, Petra is 0-3 in her last three matches against both Serena and Maria.

Moreover, Serena and Sharpie have already proven they can win or get to the finals of big tournaments even without any warm-up. They are simply that good. Petra's yet to prove this.

I will be more than happy, if Petra works hard in the off-season and beats Serena, Maria and Azarenka in 2013, while displaying a great offensive tennis. :cool:

I still don't get your point, and you didn't answer my question/s?

When Aga's coach described Petra approaching the "Perfect Tennis player", do you really think Sharapova would have beat that (Hint: she's good, but not that good, and limited)? Why do you think he said that in the first place, and off what basis?

Secondly, did you watch Petra at the YEC last year? Did you actually watch the matches? Are you comparing that Petra to this years Petra? Can you tell/see the differences (even incorporating Vika, Sharapova or Serena into the mix--as you like). My god, Petra lost in straights sets to Aga at the YEC this year, and you got the nerve to knock on Petra's success there last year, compared to Sharapova this year? :tape:

Thirdly, why do you keep bringing up last year--with Sharapova and Serena this year (especially at the YEC)? What does Sharapova's win today, have to do with Petra? How come you weren't bringing up Sharapova, when she was losing quarterfinals or semifinals at various Grass and Hardcourt matches? I don't get it?

Petra beat who was in front of her and she played some spectacular tennis doing so. I just don't see what's your point in diminishing those achievements--especially now?

This has nothing to do about feeling good, cause last years over. This year, Petra's been disappointing, inconsistent, yes--had some success, but nonetheless she's gotten worse since Aug-September.

Maria has played very well this year. Yes! But I don't think she's been a world beater either (maybe you don't notice this). Nonetheless, she's been very solid (with her best success during the clay court season). I just don't understand why you would bring up Petra 2011 today, just cause Maria finally beat Azarenka on a hard court at the end of 2012? Misplaced priorities, I guess (do some Petra fans really have that much of a complex with Maria)?:shrug: Petra's got enough of her own problems.

Nonetheless, next year can be a completely different year for all parties involved.

We'll see?

Petronius
Oct 28th, 2012, 12:44 AM
Secondly, did you watch Petra at the YEC last year? Did you actually watch the matches? Are you comparing that Petra to this years Petra?

Yup, I watched and there's no disagreement on Petra's performance at the 2011 YEC: she was AMAZING.

But I also noticed that a certain all-time great could not take part, because she had suffered from a hematoma and a pulmonary embolism early in 2011 and therefore hadn't amassed enough points to qualify for YEC.

And I also noticed that a certain multi-slam champion had to withdraw from the 2011 YEC as a result of the ankle injury she had suffered in Tokyo.

Let's be honest, the above medical issues of these two great players (and I am not a big fan of either of them TBH) made Petra's YEC title run easier.

So once again, no disagreement on Petra's great play at last year's YEC. Those kind of performances are BTW the reason why I am a fan.

18majors
Oct 28th, 2012, 02:52 AM
Yup, I watched and there's no disagreement on Petra's performance at the 2011 YEC: she was AMAZING.

But I also noticed that a certain all-time great could not take part, because she had suffered from a hematoma and a pulmonary embolism early in 2011 and therefore hadn't amassed enough points to qualify for YEC.

And I also noticed that a certain multi-slam champion had to withdraw from the 2011 YEC as a result of the ankle injury she had suffered in Tokyo.

Let's be honest, the above medical issues of these two great players (and I am not a big fan of either of them TBH) made Petra's YEC title run easier.

So once again, no disagreement on Petra's great play at last year's YEC. Those kind of performances are BTW the reason why I am a fan.

What's past is prologue and they're water under the bridge.

The important thing is that both Petra and Maria will shine as WTA's superstars in 2013.

Queen Petra Fan
Oct 28th, 2012, 08:28 AM
Can you say/ask, where's her consistent hitting partner (on the first bolded point)? :scratch:

As discussed, I think this has a lot to do with Petra's wildness (along with brainfarts, lack of game plan and requisite conditioning or form).

I think on this or another post, you had mentioned the subject of Csersonek and needed changes to Petra's team.

Did you ever think about this QPF? Maybe Csersonek's part of the problem? Or maybe, Csersonek already went to Petra about possible changes and Petra nearly freaked out/said no, so his hands felt tied with his current meal ticket? :shrug:

That's why she needs and additional/better team or advisors around her (if Petra feels so committed to Kotyza).

I hear you. Sure, I've thought about it Ex, but without any REAL behind the scenes info all we're left with is conjecture.

My gut feeling is Kotyza has really tried like hell to push Petra (and Cernosek sees this which is why he is not out already) but for whatever reason he has become ineffective in getting her to improve her technique or work ethic. We've heard the talk she doesn't like structured, demanding, boot camp like training practices (thus Ivanko probably got the boot for pushing her that way, no fault of his in my eyes, and no wonder Cernosek still wants to use him with the boys). We know she values Kotyza's sympathetic qualities, but has he just become an emotional crutch for her? Has he become an enabler for her lax work ethic because she knows she can get away with it with him? Sometimes the player/coach relationship becomes too cozy to be effective. I think this is what has happened with Petra and Kotyza. From all appearances it seems the decision to switch lies with Petra, not Cernosek for the time being. That being said, I think this situation is going to be coming to a head in the not too distant future. It has to be discussed internally. Decisions need to be made about Petra's future. The status quo is not going to cut it moving forward.

The bottom line is I blame everything on Petra and Kotyza not Cernosek (for now).

Just my ten cents. ;)

Queen Petra Fan
Oct 28th, 2012, 08:42 AM
I think he is partially right. Petra, Pova and Vika won their share of slams only because Serena GOAT was absent, only Pova managed to beat Ree once but it was a long time ago(see flip-flop part). Ree now refocused and in great form, so basically all of them if they want to win more slams need to figure out how to beat her or pray she would flop to no names at slam. Where i find him wrong is on the whole YEC winning thing, Petra winning YEC was meant to happen same way Rena winning OG because they both were in ultra focus hungry zone and it was destined from the above.

I agree with almost all of this except for the meant from above comment.

It's human beings playing the matches not angels or spirits. It's sport, and that's all it is.

Please don't take my comments as being disrespectful to your beliefs Shifty. Just injecting a little reality into the conversation.

pling
Oct 28th, 2012, 11:27 AM
I hear you. Sure, I've thought about it Ex, but without any REAL behind the scenes info all we're left with is conjecture.

My gut feeling is Kotyza has really tried like hell to push Petra (and Cernosek sees this which is why he is not out already) but for whatever reason he has become ineffective in getting her to improve her technique or work ethic. We've heard the talk she doesn't like structured, demanding, boot camp like training practices (thus Ivanko probably got the boot for pushing her that way, no fault of his in my eyes, and no wonder Cernosek still wants to use him with the boys). We know she values Kotyza's sympathetic qualities, but has he just become an emotional crutch for her? Has he become an enabler for her lax work ethic because she knows she can get away with it with him? Sometimes the player/coach relationship becomes too cozy to be effective. I think this is what has happened with Petra and Kotyza. From all appearances it seems the decision to switch lies with Petra, not Cernosek for the time being. That being said, I think this situation is going to be coming to a head in the not too distant future. It has to be discussed internally. Decisions need to be made about Petra's future. The status quo is not going to cut it moving forward.

The bottom line is I blame everything on Petra and Kotyza not Cernosek (for now).

Just my ten cents. ;)

I haven't taken in part in these discussions much, cos like you say we only really have conjecture about it. But I do agree that the bottom line is how motivated Petra herself will be on getting fit and focused next year. Other people won't be able to force her to do this. Serena found tremendous drive and focus this year after a long difficult period; let's hope Petra still has the desire to do the same.

And for the other discussions above about whether Petra's 2011, remember that her 0-3 H2H with Serena is not as bad as it looks. The first two losses were AO and Wimbledon 2010, both slams that Serena won as the No 1. Petra was outside top 50 and still took Serena to a tiebreak at Wimby (Maria the only other player in the draw to do that). And the third was of course this year's wimbledon, when Serena was again on the way to the trophy and Petra's form was declining - but Petra still gave a competitive match. So I think it's fair to suggest that if Serena had been fit in 2011, to play the Petra of Madrid, Wimbledon or YEC, Petra could have grabbed some wins. And if Petra gets her mojo back, then she can beat Serena in the future.

Excelscior
Oct 28th, 2012, 03:56 PM
Yup, I watched and there's no disagreement on Petra's performance at the 2011 YEC: she was AMAZING.

But I also noticed that a certain all-time great could not take part, because she had suffered from a hematoma and a pulmonary embolism early in 2011 and therefore hadn't amassed enough points to qualify for YEC.

And I also noticed that a certain multi-slam champion had to withdraw from the 2011 YEC as a result of the ankle injury she had suffered in Tokyo.

Let's be honest, the above medical issues of these two great players (and I am not a big fan of either of them TBH) made Petra's YEC title run easier.

So once again, no disagreement on Petra's great play at last year's YEC. Those kind of performances are BTW the reason why I am a fan.

I find it hard to believe that you could really understand Petra's level of play--many times in 2011, while at the same time bemoan her achievements due to the lack of (especially) Sharapova and even Serena's form. Most people at worst would say, "boy I would love to see both of them playing at their highest level during the same season and matches". :shrug:

If you were happy about Maria winning yesterday (and why you feel Petra's 2011 was some how tainted), that's cool. You could have went to Maria's subforum to write about it and not here; the same with Serena! What you're doing seems totally out of place, especially now.

So what happens, if/when Petra's starts beating either one of them in 2013? Are you going to be the first one happily proclaiming "You see Petra wasn't playing up to her 2011" standard"? Or are going to say again "Serena and Sharapova are not playing up to THEIR standard". What gives?

What you don't get is, Petra can stink Up Da Joint for the next 6 years, that doesn't take away from the level of tennis she played in 2011. Obviously Aga's coach noticed, and noted that as well.

Now if Petra didn't play some fabulous tennis in 2011, then everything you say would make sense/be more appropriate. But the fact that she played some otherworldly tennis at times (including her demeanor, confidence, anticipation, shotmaking, movement, mental focus--when needed, fitness, etc.), should provide her that proverbial bye and Statute Of Limitations for the future. :lol:

Everyone knows what you mean. And it's not like there isn't some truth to it. However, Petra earned her way to those titles with spectacular play. It's not like she bullshitted her way through off reputation, guile/savvy, intimidation or good fortune--as so many other great players have (even though Petra could use some of that--now by the way). :lol: