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tennisbum79
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:29 PM
Great fight from Maria, unfortunately her body could not respond when she summoned it.

Her serve let her down too!!

mac47
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:32 PM
Don't mistake the grim look on her face, or the silly clenched fist, for real mental strength.

So nice to see her ridiculous high-risk serve come back to bite her.

Stonerpova
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:34 PM
Don't mistake the grim look on her face, or the silly clenched fist, for real mental strength.

So nice to see her ridiculous high-risk serve come back to bite her.

Her serve is what made the third set so close :lol:

It was her awful returning (against Azarenka who has the worst serve in the top 10 other than Radwanska) that made life difficult.

FORZA SARITA
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:38 PM
i don't think she served that bad :confused: Vika's ROS really troubled Masha who had a terrible footwork :tape:

jameshazza
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:40 PM
Her serve wasn't too bad, she got away with an awful lot considering she hit EVERY serve to Vika's FH and Vika still hit errors short balls.

It was her AWOL ROS and refusal to hit her BH DTL.

The fights the only thing keeping Maria at the top these days mostly. She's still only playing at 70% of her peak most days.

tennisbum79
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:41 PM
Her serve is what made the third set so close :lol:

It was her awful returning (against Azarenka who has the worst serve in the top 10 other than Radwanska) that made life difficult.
I believe Maria lost the match in the 1st set.

She had great momentum service for the set at 5-1, then her predictable and inevitable bad serving patch showed up.
Although she eventually held to win the set, she lost great momentum going into the 2nd set.

At the same time, Vika regained her rythm, and Maria was playing catch up from that time on.

That add tremendous stress when you go from holding easily in the first 6 games to suddenly facing bpts after bpts.

allhailwilliams
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:45 PM
The so called highest paid womens athlete is a joke among true tennis greats.
I hope all her so called fans are crying right now. Slowpover doesn't deserve the accolades she gets, she's a joke. Enjoy all those millions of dollars that those racist sponsors gave you because of the color of you're skin and not you're talent loser.

tennisbum79
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:47 PM
i don't think she served that bad :confused: Vika's ROS really troubled Masha who had a terrible footwork :tape:
Really, I guess you have come to expect her bad serving patches as part of her game now.

She had several DFs that came at bad times and in a bunch.
That affected the rest of her game at the end of the first set and on.


The free swing, good timing, patience she had in the first 6 game of the first set, were replaced by uncertainty, hesitation, bad decision making forcing her to play from behind the rest of the match.

metamorpha
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:49 PM
Vika had a late start in the first set and Maria surprisingly played much better today, she could keep up her level until the very end. In AO, she disappeared quickly once Vika found her rhythm.

Roookie
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:51 PM
Agree, greatest fighter on tour right now :hatoff:

Cosmic Voices
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:52 PM
The so called highest paid womens athlete is a joke among true tennis greats.
I hope all her so called fans are crying right now. Slowpover doesn't deserve the accolades she gets, she's a joke. Enjoy all those millions of dollars that those racist sponsors gave you because of the color of you're skin and not you're talent loser.

Ths was one of the best fights I've seen in a while. Her rivalry with Vika should be considered a credit to the sport. Calling someone a joke who just fought for nearly 3 hours with true heart is disgusting

dsanders06
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:56 PM
I don't really think she was physically tired, it seemed like she was more mentally-drained. Probably because she wasted so much emotional energy in the 2nd set unnecessarily. She was still moving around the court ok in the 3rd set (whereas you'd assume if she was physically tired that she'd be slower), it was just she didn't seem to be moving her feet / engaging her brain, whereas at the beginning of the match her footwork and point-construction were flawless.

allhailwilliams
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:57 PM
Ths was one of the best fights I've seen in a while. Her rivalry with Vika should be considered a credit to the sport. Calling someone a joke who just fought for nearly 3 hours with true heart is disgusting
Ok, but the old Sharpie would wipe the floor with Vika.

Clijsters28
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:58 PM
Who cares. She was going to get her butt kicked by Serena in the final anyway. It is not like she missed out on a chance of another slam title. With Serena playing freaking Errani in the other semi there never was one. Atleast Azarenka has a small chance vs Serena, Maria had none.

youngbuck
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:59 PM
The so called highest paid womens athlete is a joke among true tennis greats.
I hope all her so called fans are crying right now. Slowpover doesn't deserve the accolades she gets, she's a joke. Enjoy all those millions of dollars that those racist sponsors gave you because of the color of you're skin and not you're talent loser.

This statement is racist. Jealous much? She'll earn a lot more so I guess you'll be staying pressed.

GrafMariaPetraK
Sep 7th, 2012, 09:59 PM
Maria needs to work on her BH DTL she can't seem to hit that like she used to.

allhailwilliams
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:12 PM
This statement is racist. Jealous much? She'll earn a lot more so I guess you'll be staying pressed.

Don't blame the messenger, it's true. Serena kicks butt all the time but Maria gets all the money cause she's white. True fact.

NashaMasha
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:15 PM
Ok, but the old Sharpie would wipe the floor with Vika.

Masha wasn't ready for this US Open .

She played awfully almost all second sets even vs scrubs in 1-3 rounds, struggled to survive vs Petrova and Bartoli.

I think her best match here was vs Vika but still she didn't gain her best or even satisfactory form here.

I hope to see at least one match Vika-Masha this year, because it's a really interesting matchup:)

laurie
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:16 PM
The strange thing for me was, when Sharapova stepped to the line to serve for the first set at 5-1, I was thinking it didn't matter because Azarenka was going to win the match anyway. I was convinced from the start that Azarenka was going to win the match, I knew she wouldn't panic and play at the same level while Sharapova would be up and down, that proved to be the case.

By the way, I really thought this was a poor quality match, the level of tennis was not that great. The amount of times Sharapova had a short ball in the middle of the court and instead of hitting and taking to the net, would hit the ball and immdediately retreat to the baseline. Ultimately Azarenka didn't allow Sharapova to get away with that complete lack of courage and belief. It's fine to take risks and hit out when on the baseline but the real courage is taking the ball on and challenge the opponent when the opportunity presents itself.

And also, Azarenka will have to play considerably better than this is she wants to win the tournament tommorrow night (weather permitting).

jameshazza
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:18 PM
Agree with all laurie said, it was horrible from both at times but because the point normally ended on a winner caused by the other players stupid shot choice, the media and public will lap this up.

NashaMasha
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:21 PM
Don't blame the messenger, it's true. Serena kicks butt all the time but Maria gets all the money cause she's white. True fact.

Serena is not a Naomi or Iman to be competitive with Masha. It's true fact. It was true when Kournikova was earning much more than her doubles partner..... I've forgotten her name.....?, but reminds me Martini

Rest Maria!
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:23 PM
By the way, I really thought this was a poor quality match, the level of tennis was not that great. The amount of times Sharapova had a short ball in the middle of the court and instead of hitting and taking to the net, would hit the ball and immdediately retreat to the baseline.
She always plays like that. It was basically the battle of the ultimate baseline grinders.:lol:

MakarovaFan
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:30 PM
She always plays like that. It was basically the battle of the ultimate baseline grinders.:lol:
Sure, a grinder who hit 44 winners against one of the best defensive players on tour right now:rolleyes:

Rest Maria!
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:34 PM
It is baseline grinding if you refuse to come to the net. Both players were glued to the baseline as if it was the center of gravity.

allhailwilliams
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:36 PM
Serena is not a Naomi or Iman to be competitive with Masha. It's true fact. It was true when Kournikova was earning much more than her doubles partner..... I've forgotten her name.....?, but reminds me Martini

Agreed,but to be honest, maria is no raving beauty either.

bandabou
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:37 PM
I think she let Vika in the match by failing to serve it out at 5-1 and then almost failing to do it again at 5-3.

Feyd
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:38 PM
It is baseline grinding if you refuse to come to the net. Both players were glued to the baseline as if it was the center of gravity.

Both players were hitting deep to the baseline to push their opponent back. There was NEVER going to be a net play in this type of matchup.

jameshazza
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:39 PM
Both players were hitting deep to the baseline to push their opponent back. There was NEVER going to be a net play in this type of matchup.

He considers Thing to be a more aggressive player than Maria and Vika. :lol:
Let this gerl be, it has issues.

Rest Maria!
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:41 PM
Both players were hitting deep to the baseline to push their opponent back. There was NEVER going to be a net play in this type of matchup.

By that logic there should be no net play in men's game.

laurie
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:42 PM
It is baseline grinding if you refuse to come to the net. Both players were glued to the baseline as if it was the center of gravity.

Absolutely. That is a classic case of statistics, damned statistics.

What did Andre Agassi say all those years ago? modern players only come to net to shake hands.

NashaMasha
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:43 PM
Agreed,but to be honest, maria is no raving beauty either.

it depends more on what considers the majority ...

Keira Knightley or Jennifer Aniston are considered beautiful , but they are not even close to this word...

youngbuck
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:43 PM
Don't blame the messenger, it's true. Serena kicks butt all the time but Maria gets all the money cause she's white. True fact.
I take it you're young and inexperienced, hence the naive simple statement. There's racism in every corner of this globe but not in this case. Why does Tiger earn as much as he does? He's a person of color too. In entertainment it's all about what sells and what doesn't. Serena is in the same situation Tiger's in but she doesn't even earn half of what Pova is earning despite having significantly more slams. It's about markability, the it-factor. People like athletes who are well behaved and Maria is always picture perfect on and off the court. Tiger was too, until his skeletons came out. Federer would earn less if he wasn't the perfect guy. Had Serena behaved properly eg respecting opponents and line judges, I'd reckon she'd earn more because companies tend to endorse people who don't bring controversy along catch my drift? It has nothing to do with color. Having said that, women are different than men, it's more about their beauty instead of succes while with men succes is a more important factor. If Serena looked like Beyonce I'm sure her earnings would double. It's more about sexism than racism here but then again, this is a man's world. You probably would say a white man's world which is also true. Just not in this particular case. Just be happy both are icons and jewels for the sport.

I hate racism of every sort, even reverse racism like you're guilty of.

youngbuck
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:45 PM
Agreed,but to be honest, maria is no raving beauty either.


Says you. Global opinion says otherwise.

bandabou
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:46 PM
it depends more on what considers the majority ...

Keira Knightley or Jennifer Aniston are considered beautiful , but they are not even close to this word...

Keira is a bit too skinny..but Aniston is hottt!!

Rest Maria!
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:47 PM
Absolutely. That is a classic case of statistics, damned statistics.

What did Andre Agassi say all those years ago? modern players only come to net to shake hands.

In what context did Agassi say that? Because he played in the era of fast courts yet he was coming to the net even less frequently than a defensive player like Djokovic does nowadays.:lol:

pav
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:48 PM
The so called highest paid womens athlete is a joke among true tennis greats.
I hope all her so called fans are crying right now. Slowpover doesn't deserve the accolades she gets, she's a joke. Enjoy all those millions of dollars that those racist sponsors gave you because of the color of you're skin and not you're talent loser.
Don't care about Masha,but using the pathetic race card to suit your own purpose is a real worry for you to work through.

jameshazza
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:48 PM
Keira is a bit too skinny..but Aniston is hottt!!

Kiera's face is flawless, never got the Aniston hotness. :lol:
It really is in the eye of the beholder. Although I would admit that both are attractive.

hablo
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:53 PM
Great fight from Maria, unfortunately her body could not respond when she summoned it.

Her serve let her down too!!

How come? Is she too skinny now? :p

(Just teasing...)

bandabou
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:53 PM
I take it you're young and inexperienced, hence the naive simple statement. There's racism in every corner of this globe but not in this case. Why does Tiger earn as much as he does? He's a person of color too. In entertainment it's all about what sells and what doesn't. Serena is in the same situation Tiger's in but she doesn't even earn half of what Pova is earning despite having significantly more slams. It's about markability, the it-factor. People like athletes who are well behaved and Maria is always picture perfect on and off the court. Tiger was too, until his skeletons came out. Federer would earn less if he wasn't the perfect guy. Had Serena behaved properly eg respecting opponents and line judges, I'd reckon she'd earn more because companies tend to endorse people who don't bring controversy along catch my drift? It has nothing to do with color. Having said that, women are different than men, it's more about their beauty instead of succes while with men succes is a more important factor. If Serena looked like Beyonce I'm sure her earnings would double. It's more about sexism than racism here but then again, this is a man's world. You probably would say a white man's world which is also true. Just not in this particular case. Just be happy both are icons and jewels for the sport.

I hate racism of every sort, even reverse racism like you're guilty of.

SOOOOOOO tired of that whole respecting line judges. What's the thing?! Show me one player who hasn't had issues with umpires. Stop the nonsense. :lol:

laurie
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:59 PM
In what context did Agassi say that? Because he played in the era of fast courts yet he was coming to the net even less frequently than a defensive player like Djokovic does nowadays.:lol:

I know, but Agassi is a character which is why people loved him. But there were plenty grinders 20 years ago who were successful. Jim Courier, Sergei Brugera, Thomas Muster, Michael Chang, there were a lot of different types of players in the top 20 back then - aggressive baseliners, defensive baseliners, all court players and specialist serve volleyers, ok and a few ace heads :lol:

But Agassi made his comment before 2001 Wimbledon, at that stage a new breed of players were coming thorugh like Safin, Hewitt, Clement, Ferrero, Roddick, Haas and others who were not going to come in much. Federer mixed it up initially but settled on baseline play once he realised courts were getting slower.

allhailwilliams
Sep 7th, 2012, 10:59 PM
I take it you're young and inexperienced, hence the naive simple statement. There's racism in every corner of this globe but not in this case. Why does Tiger earn as much as he does? He's a person of color too. In entertainment it's all about what sells and what doesn't. Serena is in the same situation Tiger's in but she doesn't even earn half of what Pova is earning despite having significantly more slams. It's about markability, the it-factor. People like athletes who are well behaved and Maria is always picture perfect on and off the court. Tiger was too, until his skeletons came out. Federer would earn less if he wasn't the perfect guy. Had Serena behaved properly eg respecting opponents and line judges, I'd reckon she'd earn more because companies tend to endorse people who don't bring controversy along catch my drift? It has nothing to do with color. Having said that, women are different than men, it's more about their beauty instead of succes while with men succes is a more important factor. If Serena looked like Beyonce I'm sure her earnings would double. It's more about sexism than racism here but then again, this is a man's world. You probably would say a white man's world which is also true. Just not in this particular case. Just be happy both are icons and jewels for the sport.

I hate racism of every sort, even reverse racism like you're guilty of.
Don't even try that reverse racism crazy on me son.., you sure you're don't work for fox news?

Cosmic Voices
Sep 7th, 2012, 11:00 PM
SOOOOOOO tired of that whole respecting line judges. What's the thing?! Show me one player who hasn't had issues with umpires. Stop the nonsense. :lol:

there's having issues, and then there's threatening to shove a ball down somebody's throat.

it's on tape

tennisbum79
Sep 7th, 2012, 11:00 PM
Can you guys stop the fights.

How did money, beauty and race come into this?

Rest Maria!
Sep 7th, 2012, 11:06 PM
I know, but Agassi is a character which is why people loved him. But there were plenty grinders 20 years ago who were successful. Jim Courier, Sergei Brugera, Thomas Muster, Michael Chang, there were a lot of different types of players in the top 20 back then - aggressive baseliners, defensive baseliners, all court players and specialist serve volleyers, ok and a few ace heads :lol:

But Agassi made his comment before 2001 Wimbledon, at that stage a new breed of players were coming thorugh like Safin, Hewitt, Clement, Ferrero, Roddick, Haas and others who were not going to come in much. Federer mixed it up initially but settled on baseline play once he realised courts were getting slower.

I blame ever-improving racket string technology and Ivanisevic winning a slam for slowing down the courts. :o Watching Fed vs Sampras you could see he had a complete game for fast courts, it's a wonder he adapted so well. No wonder though he murders his current competition during ATP finals in London.:lol:

tennisbum79
Sep 7th, 2012, 11:56 PM
How come? Is she too skinny now? :p

(Just teasing...)

Even though you are teasing, I will answer anyway.

NO. She looks like a true athlete, more now than a few years ago.
Maria is going in opposite direction of some other player [...]

Morrissey
Sep 7th, 2012, 11:56 PM
I believe Maria lost the match in the 1st set.

She had great momentum service for the set at 5-1, then her predictable and inevitable bad serving patch showed up.
Although she eventually held to win the set, she lost great momentum going into the 2nd set.

At the same time, Vika regained her rythm, and Maria was playing catch up form time on.

That add tremendous stress when you go from holding easily in the first 6 games to suddenly facing bpts after bpts.

Yup that was actually the turning point in the match because Victoria broke Maria's serve and got confidence. Once Vika got her confidence back she was firmly into the match.

Maria also served a lot of double faults but I think she was really going for her second serves in this match.

This is where I think Maria NEEDS some strategy instead of trying to outhit Victoria why not try to change the pace?

laurie
Sep 8th, 2012, 12:04 AM
I blame ever-improving racket string technology and Ivanisevic winning a slam for slowing down the courts. :o Watching Fed vs Sampras you could see he had a complete game for fast courts, it's a wonder he adapted so well. No wonder though he murders his current competition during ATP finals in London.:lol:

That is true, remember when the rain came and everyone was saying how they feared for Murray when the roof had to be closed? (Wimbledon final).

The very best players with great movement and ball striking always excel indoors. Guys like Borg, McEnroe, Lendl, Becker, Sampras and now Federer all terrific indoors. It rewards skill and variety.

By the way, it is a pity the US Open courts seem so slow now compared to the early 2000s.

Diesel
Sep 8th, 2012, 12:15 AM
Don't mistake the grim look on her face, or the silly clenched fist, for real mental strength.

So nice to see her ridiculous high-risk serve come back to bite her.

Exactly.

TSequoia01
Sep 8th, 2012, 12:16 AM
It may be just me, but Maria lost that match because her forehand was awful. Everytime Vika wanted or needed a point she got it by hitting to Maria's forehand.

tennisbum79
Sep 8th, 2012, 01:44 AM
It may be just me, but Maria lost that match because her forehand was awful. Everytime Vika wanted or needed a point she got it by hitting to Maria's forehand.
With Maria lately, her FH does not just become awful.
It starts with bad serving patch(back to back DFs, easy to return serve) than spread other aspect of her games, including but not limited to her forehand.

IN today's match, she had total control of the match with everything (serve, FH, BH) clicking, until she serve for the set at 5-1.
Then the serve totally deserted her.

She struggle to eventually win the set, but she was never the same again from the start of 2nd set and on.
She was playing from behind all the time, having to face several break, while Vika was finding her rhythm.


As I wrote before, this is highly stressful situation to go from holding easily and breaking at will, to constantly face breakpoints in your own serve while the opponent is now holding easily.

FoxyliciousKhat
Sep 8th, 2012, 01:58 AM
Keira is a bit too skinny..but Aniston is hottt!!

NO she's not!!! She just happened to be married overrated Brad Pitt and was probably the best looking woman on that horrible shot Friends, and thus was overhyped in the beauty department.

She's in the same category as Cameron Diaz and Rene Zellweger.

Foxy

FoxyliciousKhat
Sep 8th, 2012, 02:05 AM
there's having issues, and then there's threatening to shove a ball down somebody's throat.

it's on tape

They are are all on tape, they are all said or done in a heat of the moment. Some are just taken LITERALLY depending on who says or does the act.

Oh well we will never agree on this I guess.

Foxy

Morrissey
Sep 8th, 2012, 02:08 AM
I do not think Sharapova is as mentally tough as the media are trying to say she is. When Sharapova gets tight she double faults a lot. I also think Sharapova is not as good an athlete as Azarenka. Victoria is much quicker and a superior athlete than Maria.

LindsayRulz
Sep 8th, 2012, 03:01 AM
Well you have to take into account that it was her third three set match in a row after that highly emotional fight against Petrova and that weird match against Bartoli in which she somehow found a way to win whereas she looked dead and extremely unemotional for Maria's standards. You just knew at that point that she'd lose to either Azarenka or Serena, she didn't look fresh enough to go all the way that's for sure. Besides, she wasn't coming into this USO with the best preparation either ; she got that virus after the Olympics and didn't play any of the USO series events, I guess that didn't help. But you have to give the girl a break after that great year she's had though. She's been far in the draws of every big events except for Wimbledon.