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MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 6th, 2012, 08:35 AM
I know there are at least 4 players in 2012 who have already earned 50+ wins this year

Kerber: 56-17 (2 titles - Paris [Indoors], Copenhagen)
Azarenka: 53-7* (4 titles - Sydney, Australian Open, Doha, Indian Wells)
Serena: 51-4* (5 titles - Charleson, Madrid, Wimbledon, Stanford, Olympic Games)
Radwanska: 51-15 (3 titles - Dubai, Miami, Brussels)

*still alive in US Open


How many players have had multiple 50+ win seasons?

I know Kim had like a 90 win season in '03 and I'm sure Caroline and Jelena have racked up a few too.

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 6th, 2012, 08:39 AM
Serena - 3 50+ win seasons:

2002: 56-5 (8 titles: Scottsdale, Miami, Roma, Roland Garros, Wimbledon, US Open, Leipzig, Princess Cup)
2009: 50-12 (3 titles: Australian Open, Wimbledon, YEC)
2012*: 51-4 (5 titles: Charleston, Madrid, Wimbledon, Stanford, Olympic Games)

*after US Open QF

Kinda low, but I guess it's not that surprising considering she only played 50+ matches a season 1 other time (2008).

Steven.
Sep 6th, 2012, 09:27 AM
Sharapova 3 50+ win seasons (4 after this year since she's on 49 wins atm for 2012, chances are she'll win at least one more match I think...)

2004: 55-15 (5 titles: Birmingham, Wimbledon, Seoul, Japan Open, YEC)
2005: 53-12 (3 titles: Pan Pacific, Doha, Birmingham)
2006: 59-9 (5 titles: Indian Wells, San Diego, US Open, Zurich, Linz)

and as of USO QF, 2012: 49-7 (3 titles: Stuttgart, Rome, Roland Garros)

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Dokic 2 50+ win seasons

2001: 53-23 (3 titles: Rome, Tokyo, Moscow)
2002: 53-26 (2 titles: Sarasota, Birmingham)

Serenus Christ
Sep 6th, 2012, 09:43 AM
Kerber: 56-17 (2 titles - Paris [Indoors], Copenhagen)


Does this bitch play every tournament? SMH

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What about Errani?

lenas warriors
Sep 6th, 2012, 09:46 AM
Lena D:

2008 56-17

2009 55-18

FORZA SARITA
Sep 6th, 2012, 09:51 AM
Sara has 52-17

bobito
Sep 6th, 2012, 10:14 AM
Justine Henin:
2002 - 52
2003 - 76
2006 - 61
2007 - 63

Yashal
Sep 6th, 2012, 10:23 AM
Uhm in the last years I remember

Venus 53-13 in 1998, 61-13 in 1999, 62-9 in 2002 and 50-10 in 2007.
Kvitova 66-11 last year.
Vika 55-17 last year.
Kim 55-18 in 2001, 51-17 in 2002, 90-12 in 2003 and 67-9 in 2005.
Safina 55-20 in 2009 and 55-16 in 2009.
Kuzzy 60-23 in 2004, 60-20 in 2006 and 55-20 in 2007.
Petrova 56-22 in 2005.
Amelie 53-16 in 2003, 63-11 in 2004, 56-17 in 2008 and 51-14 in 2006.
VIP 51-18 in 2007.

Marlene
Sep 6th, 2012, 10:36 AM
Wozniacki

2008: 58-20
2009: 67-24
2010: 62-17
2011: 63-17

Marlene
Sep 6th, 2012, 10:38 AM
Jankovic

2007: 72-25
2008: 65-19

Yashal
Sep 6th, 2012, 11:00 AM
Oh and I just found out that Pennetta was 50-24 in 2008, 57-24 in 2009 and 51-22 in 2010. Actually I didn't see it coming.

Vespertine69
Sep 6th, 2012, 11:04 AM
Chakvetadze

2007 59-20

Myskina

2002 50-29
2004 55-18

Cosmic Voices
Sep 6th, 2012, 11:05 AM
Justine was GOAT :oh:

The Witch-king
Sep 6th, 2012, 11:45 AM
Dang Serena's stats looking good this year

BartoliBabes
Sep 6th, 2012, 11:53 AM
Marion Bartoli 2011 Singles Record: 58-25

Lighter
Sep 6th, 2012, 11:54 AM
Marion Bartoli

2011 : 58-25

The Witch-king
Sep 6th, 2012, 11:58 AM
Marion Bartoli 2011 Singles Record: 58-25

:facepalm: How do you lose 25 mtches in a year

bobito
Sep 6th, 2012, 02:04 PM
Steffi Graf, 10 years out of 11

1986: 63-6
1987: 69-2
1988: 73-3
1989: 87-2
1990: 72-5
1991: 75-8
1992: 71-7
1993: 76-6
1994: 59-6
1996: 54-5

(1995 she was 47-2)

pov
Sep 6th, 2012, 02:31 PM
Does this bitch play every tournament? SMH

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What about Errani?
"this bitch" has played 17 tournaments this year. Bartoli has played 20, Cibulkova 22, Vinci 23, Errani 19.

Errani has had (so far) 52 wins this season.

pov
Sep 6th, 2012, 02:40 PM
Interesting that S.Williams apparently has always played the least amount allowed. It's one of the things that IMO counts against her in GOAT discussions. Her best seasons don't match Graf's:

1987: 69-2
1988: 73-3
1989: 87-2
1990: 72-5
1991: 75-8
1992: 71-7
1993: 76-6

Craig.
Sep 6th, 2012, 02:44 PM
Jankovic
2007: 72-25

Peak Jaja :hysteric:

tennisfan5
Sep 6th, 2012, 02:57 PM
Seles

1990: 54-6
1991: 74-6
1992: 70-5
2000: 58-13

unfortunately, Monica missed many full seasons b/c of the stabbing and b/c of injury

MrSerenaWilliams
Sep 6th, 2012, 03:29 PM
Interesting that S.Williams apparently has always played the least amount allowed. It's one of the things that IMO counts against her in GOAT discussions. Her best seasons don't match Graf's:


Wouldn't that be a positive for her? She's been able to win 14+ majors playing almost 1/2 the schedule of anyone else who's won more?

Nicolás89
Sep 6th, 2012, 03:36 PM
Kim 55-18 in 2001, 51-17 in 2002, 90-12 in 2003 and 67-9 in 2005.

:eek:

Doully
Sep 6th, 2012, 03:42 PM
:eek:

My reaction was the same. Those numbers are nothing short of ridiculous. And she wasn't even the YE #1 :hysteric:

Anybody know Hingis's?

DiscoStick
Sep 6th, 2012, 03:47 PM
Hantuchova

2007: 52-28 (2; Indian Wells and Linz)
2002: 56-25 (1: Indian Wells)

bobito
Sep 6th, 2012, 03:58 PM
My reaction was the same. Those numbers are nothing short of ridiculous. And she wasn't even the YE #1 :hysteric:

Anybody know Hingis's?

Martina Hingis

1996: 51-17
1997: 76-5
1998: 67-13
1999: 71-13
2000: 78-10
2001: 60-15

Excelscior
Sep 6th, 2012, 04:19 PM
Steffi Graf, 10 years out of 11

1986: 63-6
1987: 69-2
1988: 73-3
1989: 87-2
1990: 72-5
1991: 75-8
1992: 71-7
1993: 76-6
1994: 59-6
1996: 54-5

(1995 she was 47-2)

GOAT!! :hearts: :eek: :hearts:

Synth
Sep 6th, 2012, 04:23 PM
Just checked out 2003 for Kim. What a beast. Basically reached QF of better in all her events, reached the finals in almost all the events and won 9 of them. That was the year of Williams vs. Belgians, with Williams v Williams in Australian and Wimbledon with Serena taking both of them (both other SF'ists were the Belgians) and Henin vs. Clijsters in French and USO with Henin taking both of them. Justine barely edged out Kim for YE No. 1, definitely helped out by the huge point differential between the W and RU of a slam. What an awesome year.

Just Do It
Sep 6th, 2012, 04:25 PM
Jankovic

2007: 72-25
2008: 65-19

:spit:

Excelscior
Sep 6th, 2012, 04:26 PM
Interesting that S.Williams apparently has always played the least amount allowed. It's one of the things that IMO counts against her in GOAT discussions. Her best seasons don't match Graf's:

1987: 69-2
1988: 73-3
1989: 87-2
1990: 72-5
1991: 75-8
1992: 71-7
1993: 76-6

You bring up a good point, cause it's been proven the less amount of tournaments you play, the better chance you have of winning majors (usually 12-16).

Serena has basically eschewed the current "physicality" of todays tour, by making sure she only plays about 12-16 tournaments a year.

It's kinda like the Lance Armstrong school of Biking (minus the doping).

Instead of Armstrong entering other races, he just concentrated every year on the Tour De France, which he obviously won 7 yrs in a row.

However, many cycling historians, felt you couldn't compare his feat to other multi Tour winners, who also won multiple other events the same year as their Tour DeFrance wins.

Chrissie, Martina and Graf, all dominated the regular tour, as well as the majors, and being #1.

That's what they all have over Serena.

And you can't use the argument, "how physical the tour is today" in Serena's defense, cause she doesn't play a lot of matches, relative to her contemporaries, through out her career anyway.

Of course Serena, has her own arguments, but certainly not those above.

Excelscior
Sep 6th, 2012, 04:38 PM
Wouldn't that be a positive for her? She's been able to win 14+ majors playing almost 1/2 the schedule of anyone else who's won more?

It's been shown and pretty accepted by historical analysis, that if you play too many tournaments, it lessens your chance of winning majors each year.

The accepted sweet spot is usually 12-16 tournaments a year. Maybe you can even squeeze in 1-2 more to that number (and limit it at 20).

But if you play 12-16, it only increases your chances of winning majors more so.

bobito
Sep 6th, 2012, 05:07 PM
Not a calender year but from 1st August 2011 to 1st August 2012:

:cheer::cheer::cheer: Julia Cohen 50-39 :cheer::cheer::cheer:

thrust
Sep 6th, 2012, 05:11 PM
You bring up a good point, cause it's been proven the less amount of tournaments you play, the better chance you have of winning majors (usually 12-16).

Serena has basically eschewed the current "physicality" of todays tour, by making sure she only plays about 12-16 tournaments a year.

It's kinda like the Lance Armstrong school of Biking (minus the doping).

Instead of Armstrong entering other races, he just concentrated every year on the Tour De France, which he obviously won 7 yrs in a row.

However, many cycling historians, felt you couldn't compare his feat to other multi Tour winners, who also won multiple other events the same year as their Tour DeFrance wins.

Chrissie, Martina and Graf, all dominated the regular tour, as well as the majors, and being #1.

That's what they all have over Serena.

And you can't use the argument, "how physical the tour is today" in Serena's defense, cause she doesn't play a lot of matches, relative to her contemporaries, through out her career anyway.

Of course Serena, has her own arguments, but certainly not those above.

Not that many would care, but Court's wins are as follows:

1961 - 80-5
1962 - 77-2
1963 - 86-6
1964 - 77-2
1965 - 106-8
1968 - 104-12
1969 - 96-5
1970 - 113-6
1971 - 64-4
1972 - 60-7
1973 - 101-5

Mynarco
Sep 6th, 2012, 05:20 PM
Not a calender year but from 1st August 2011 to 1st August 2012:

:cheer::cheer::cheer: Julia Cohen 50-39 :cheer::cheer::cheer:

:worship:

NashaMasha
Sep 6th, 2012, 05:23 PM
50-4 or 55-8 is much more impressive than 70 - 25 or 80-30

Olórin
Sep 6th, 2012, 05:51 PM
Chrissie, Martina and Graf, all dominated the regular tour, as well as the majors, and being #1.

That's what they all have over Serena.

And you can't use the argument, "how physical the tour is today" in Serena's defense, cause she doesn't play a lot of matches, relative to her contemporaries, through out her career anyway.

Of course Serena, has her own arguments, but certainly not those above.

Starting in 1995 and 1996 Steffi provided the template on how to win multiple majors and play on a more limited schedule, she needed to do that to preserve her body. The amount of tournaments and matches she was playing in 1995/1996 is simply not comparable to her 1988/1989 schedule.

Venus and then Serena demonstrated their own version of this schedule-lite approach in their multiple slam winning years in the early 2000's.

So yes you can use the "how physical" the tour is today argument because that is exactly what happened, with Graf's injuries and change in approach being a case in point.

And you say Serena doesn't play much compared to her contemporaries. However the fact some of her contemporaries such as Hingis, Kim and Jankovic played more her than her actually proves how much more physical the tour is (and therefore the necessity of a streamlined schedule) because they burned out in one form or another. Oh, except they didn't even play more than her because Kim and Hingis are retired while Serena has more wins and still playing.
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Also your point that historical analysis showing more tournaments reduces your chances to win slams is completely backwards.Historically the complete opposite is true. Look at the careers of Margaret Court, Martina Navratilova, Chris Evert and Steffi Graf in the 1980's. Their most successful years were the years when they won the most matches. Margaret Court won over 110 matches in her 1970 Grand Slam year. Graf's 1989 where she played more matches than any other was her second most successful career season. Then things changed, as I pointed out above. QED.

Excelscior
Sep 6th, 2012, 06:46 PM
Not that many would care, but Court's wins are as follows:

1961 - 80-5
1962 - 77-2
1963 - 86-6
1964 - 77-2
1965 - 106-8
1968 - 104-12
1969 - 96-5
1970 - 113-6
1971 - 64-4
1972 - 60-7
1973 - 101-5

I thought about her, and sorry I didn't mention her. :)

Excelscior
Sep 6th, 2012, 06:58 PM
Starting in 1995 and 1996 Steffi provided the template on how to win multiple majors and play on a more limited schedule, she needed to do that to preserve her body. The amount of tournaments and matches she was playing in 1995/1996 is simply not comparable to her 1988/1989 schedule.

Venus and then Serena demonstrated their own version of this schedule-lite approach in their multiple slam winning years in the early 2000's.

So yes you can use the "how physical" the tour is today argument because that is exactly what happened, with Graf's injuries and change in approach being a case in point.

And you say Serena doesn't play much compared to her contemporaries. However the fact some of her contemporaries such as Hingis, Kim and Jankovic played more her than her actually proves how much more physical the tour is (and therefore the necessity of a streamlined schedule) because they burned out in one form or another. Oh, except they didn't even play more than her because Kim and Hingis are retired while Serena has more wins and still playing.
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Also your point that historical analysis showing more tournaments reduces your chances to win slams is completely backwards.Historically the complete opposite is true. Look at the careers of Margaret Court, Martina Navratilova, Chris Evert and Steffi Graf in the 1980's. Their most successful years were the years when they won the most matches. Margaret Court won over 110 matches in her 1970 Grand Slam year. Graf's 1989 where she played more matches than any other was her second most successful career season. Then things changed, as I pointed out above. QED.

My correction for not elaborating.

The tour during Court, King and even Navratilova and Evert weren't as physical, deep and grueling as it is today. They all testify to that themselves, as you know.

The historical analysis is that since the late 1980's (as you mentioned), its been shown that playing 20+ tournament doesn't always translate into the equitable Grand Slam total (though many think it would), do to the more physical nature of the tour. Obviously Venus, Serena and Clijsters figured this one out. :lol:

And until things change (like the playing style, larger draws, bigger more powerful ladies, and more world travel), that'll probably remain the same.

I even read articles that extrapolated this trend from the 70's, early eighties (though you brought up a good argument to the contrary in some of your player examples). :yeah:

Miracle Worker
Sep 6th, 2012, 07:17 PM
Not a calender year but from 1st August 2011 to 1st August 2012:

:cheer::cheer::cheer: Julia Cohen 50-39 :cheer::cheer::cheer:

Step.

Impressive :worship: The real legend of these days :worship:

miffedmax
Sep 6th, 2012, 07:29 PM
Lena D:

2008 56-17

2009 55-18

:worship:

#1SteffiGraf#1
Sep 6th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Martina Hingis

1996: 51-17
1997: 76-5
1998: 67-13
1999: 71-13
2000: 78-10
2001: 60-15

'97 was amazing, and she had an injury that year from riding horse. :eek:

tennisfan5
Sep 6th, 2012, 08:01 PM
Davenport

1996: 51-15
1997: 59-16
1998: 69-15
1999: 61-10
2000: 60-12
2001: 62-9
2004: 63-9
2005: 60-10

18majors
Sep 6th, 2012, 08:04 PM
Maria's 51 wins after USO will be really sweet!

joe87
Sep 7th, 2012, 01:31 PM
Patricia Mayr-Achleitner

2008 Singles Record: 78-27

:lol: :inlove: