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Effy
Jul 14th, 2012, 08:03 PM
bad thoughts and etc?

Martian Jeza
Jul 14th, 2012, 08:06 PM
Can you explain much more, Toma ?

Sammo
Jul 14th, 2012, 08:13 PM
Sport, going to the beach, anything that makes you feel lively. This time last year I had a huge depression which cause I didn't know (and I still dont), the moment I started swimming in the sea, it was gone :)

Effy
Jul 14th, 2012, 08:16 PM
Sports help yeah, but i can't afford playing tennis :sad: it's so expensive here in Russia

Effy
Jul 14th, 2012, 08:17 PM
Can you explain much more, Toma ?

worst kind of depression... what else to say?
it's so bad that i even come on TF for a help :lol:

Sammo
Jul 14th, 2012, 08:20 PM
Sports help yeah, but i can't afford playing tennis :sad: it's so expensive here in Russia

Sign up for yoga classes then or take up jogging.

Effy
Jul 14th, 2012, 08:25 PM
Sign up for yoga classes then or take up jogging.

jogging is a bad idea for me :lol:
but yoga is nice i guess

Martian Jeza
Jul 14th, 2012, 08:45 PM
worst kind of depression... what else to say?
it's so bad that i even come on TF for a help :lol:

I've time to time depression as well but it comes mainly from my very severe GAD... Are you feeling tired, feeling empty, powerless, loss of appetite, you don't want to do a thing ?

Effy
Jul 14th, 2012, 08:47 PM
I've time to time depression as well but it comes mainly from my very severe GAD... Are you feeling tired, feeling empty, powerless, loss of appetite, you don't want to do a thing ?

this.
but i also feel that i need more than just do yoga for example

Barrie_Dude
Jul 14th, 2012, 08:55 PM
I force myself to get out and do things with my friends. Or I go to the gym. Or do something I enjoy. I refuse to sit around and dwell on things

Martian Jeza
Jul 14th, 2012, 09:00 PM
this.
but i also feel that i need more than just do yoga for example

Well, you got some of the symptoms of depression, indeed. Do you have support around you ?

Effy
Jul 14th, 2012, 09:02 PM
I force myself to get out and do things with my friends. Or I go to the gym. Or do something I enjoy. I refuse to sit around and dwell on things

this is right, but hard to do when you don't wanna do anything

Well, you got some of the symptoms of depression, indeed. Do you have support around you ?

too much.. sometimes i wish they left me alone

Petkorazzi
Jul 14th, 2012, 09:04 PM
Yep, jogging & tennis do wonders for me. I try to channel my frustrations into the exercise and after I'm done I feel rather "empty" in a good way. :p

Martian Jeza
Jul 14th, 2012, 09:04 PM
this is right, but hard to do when you don't wanna do anything



too much.. sometimes i wish they left me alone

lol : it's not my case : I've got 0 support about my problems. But hey, I hope I'll be in shape to go to my appointment within 12 days with a professional

Effy
Jul 14th, 2012, 09:11 PM
Yep, jogging & tennis do wonders for me. I try to channel my frustrations into the exercise and after I'm done I feel rather "empty" in a good way. :p

sadly, not enough for me

lol : it's not my case : I've got 0 support about my problems. But hey, I hope I'll be in shape to go to my appointment within 12 days with a professional

i need a professional as well

Martian Jeza
Jul 14th, 2012, 09:13 PM
sadly, not enough for me



i need a professional as well

Sadly the only support I got on this world : a real one is no more of this world... Don't worry, it's gonna be fine even it will take a while 'till you feel a bit better again.

Effy
Jul 14th, 2012, 09:22 PM
:hug:

The Dawntreader
Jul 14th, 2012, 10:15 PM
Make fun of it. Seriously.

debby
Jul 14th, 2012, 10:21 PM
When you are in a depression, sports are not enough at all.

You need to see someone, to seek help. Talk to those you truly trust, try to get all your thoughts out from your head.

If you don't feel like exercising or stuff, fine. But at least, get up, go have a shower, try to go running errands... that will take at least months.

Mary Cherry.
Jul 14th, 2012, 11:19 PM
I take it out on strangers over the Internet.

Fantasy Hero
Jul 14th, 2012, 11:39 PM
hard to say, it's something too personal to have a "right way out" which is working for anybody :hug: I've been through a really tough time few years ago as i thought everything was dark out there and i tried all the way outs, even the one which would hurt me, in a desperate attempt not to suffer...i then realized that suffering is part of human beings and one has to accept that bad days happen and the sole thing we are left to do is to wake up the next day and wear a smile, even a fake one at first, and you start to feel a little better in any case ;)
but most of all, remember that you have friends out there or somewhere in the world and they surely don't want you to be sad :hug:

debby
Jul 14th, 2012, 11:41 PM
hard to say, it's something too personal to have a "right way out" which is working for anybody :hug: I've been through a really tough time few years ago as i thought everything was dark out there and i tried all the way outs, even the one which would hurt me, in a desperate attempt not to suffer...i then realized that suffering is part of human beings and one has to accept that bad days happen and the sole thing we are left to do is to wake up the next day and wear a smile, even a fake one at first, and you start to feel a little better in any case ;)
but most of all, remember that you have friends out there or somewhere in the world and they surely don't want you to be sad :hug:

The sole thing? No.

Fantasy Hero
Jul 14th, 2012, 11:47 PM
The sole thing? No.

my bad, i meant to say that's the sole thing that will work for everybody, then of course everyone has to find his/her own way (as i said in the lines above) ;)
but yes, it works for everybody because it's something prooved right by decades of studies about human behaviours, i've just gave an exam about that ;)

debby
Jul 14th, 2012, 11:54 PM
my bad, i meant to say that's the sole thing that will work for everybody, then of course everyone has to find his/her own way (as i said in the lines above) ;)
but yes, it works for everybody because it's something prooved right by decades of studies about human behaviours, i've just gave an exam about that ;)

I don't believe that sorry.

It works for everyone just because they have done other stuff. And it doesn't apply to depression only.

If you don't smile to your friends, some of them might turn their back on you because they are selfish and don't want to try to help a friend. So it might sink you even deeper into depression.

So you have to put on a fake smile, even when you are not depressed. It's a very common thing.

Fantasy Hero
Jul 14th, 2012, 11:58 PM
I don't believe that sorry.

It works for everyone just because they have done other stuff. And it doesn't apply to depression only.

If you don't smile to your friends, some of them might turn their back on you because they are selfish and don't want to try to help a friend. So it might sink you even deeper into depression.

So you have to put on a fake smile, even when you are not depressed. It's a very common thing.

if they do that, they are not true friends then so it's much better for you to lose them in any case, obviously it's a terrible moment for that to happen, but it's surely better than starving for fake friendships with those so called friends stabbing you deeper into your soul ;) actually that, for a person endowed with a heart and a brain, would be more hurtful, realizing the complete dependence of your happiness to people who don't care of yours...

studies say that forcing yourself to smile, even if it's fake makes you a little happier or the least less negative towards things and while you are depressed that's already much more than one can hope for

debby
Jul 15th, 2012, 12:03 AM
if they do that, they are not true friends then so it's much better for you to lose them in any case, obviously it's a terrible moment for that to happen, but it's surely better than starving for fake friendships with those so called friends stabbing you deeper into your soul ;) actually that, for a person endowed with a heart and a brain, would be more hurtful, realizing the complete dependence of your happiness to people who don't care of yours...

studies say that forcing yourself to smile, even if it's fake makes you a little happier or the least less negative towards things and while you are depressed that's already much more than one can hope for

That's way easier to say than to be done. It can happen to dear friends who used to care about you... and during the depression, it's always hard to deal with. After awhile, when you finally had some insight about it, you are better off them, of course, but not during the depression.

Well IMO studies are bullshit. It doesn't cover everything. Depression is much more complicated than a "fake" smile. Also, many people put on a fake smile to mask their depression and end up being more and more depressed.

Sources : hospital, my doctor, family issues, my own issues.

Fantasy Hero
Jul 15th, 2012, 12:12 AM
Debby, i've been through and i think you know me quite enough to consider me more than a superficial person, so I think you see what's my point, don't you? what i'm trying to say it's not that wearing a fake smile will make you happy, that would be easier, but it surely helps on your way out IF you can also work on you own other ways.
the fact is that if you keep on thinking, i'm sad, none likes me, i need my friends to live even if they make me feel like shit, i'm a loser, i'm lone and such, you can't really find a way out...as in everything if you don't want something for yourself you just can't achieve it.

debby
Jul 15th, 2012, 12:15 AM
Debby, i've been through and i think you know me quite enough to consider me more than a superficial person, so I think you see what's my point, don't you? what i'm trying to say it's not that wearing a fake smile will make you happy, that would be easier, but it surely helps on your way out IF you can also work on you own other ways.
the fact is that if you keep on thinking, i'm sad, none likes me, i need my friends to live even if they make me feel like shit, i'm a loser, i'm lone and such, you can't really find a way out...as in everything if you don't want something for yourself you just can't achieve it.

So it's not a fake smile but thinking positively. Nothing to do with a fake smile at all.

Reptilia
Jul 15th, 2012, 12:39 AM
Medication.

Martian Jeza
Jul 15th, 2012, 01:56 AM
Medication.

Medication only is not enough : you have to get support and loads of understanding but sadly loads of people think it's not a big deal what you have and they don't understand how much you suffer... Depression and anxiety troubles are a hell but less than cancer and other deadly illnesses, I know.

ranfurly
Jul 15th, 2012, 02:19 AM
Mate, Read Sylvia Plath and Anne Sexton, once you've read some of their works, you will think, "Thank fuckity fuck, I'm not as queer as those fricken fruit loops!"

On a serious note, head too your GP, they will be able to point you in the right direction in regards to treatments, support groups etc.

ranfurly
Jul 15th, 2012, 02:20 AM
Medication.

Yep, Citalopram, Trixolates, all the good shit :-)

delicatecutter
Jul 15th, 2012, 02:45 AM
I think watching amazing TV shows and films helps. It helped me today. I actually wanted to talk to somebody when I was sober. That hasn't happened in awhile.

Fantasy Hero
Jul 15th, 2012, 06:50 AM
So it's not a fake smile but thinking positively. Nothing to do with a fake smile at all.

no...thinking positive is necessary in every illness to heal, as for smiling it DOES make you a little happier, I couldn't find the text with the studies I went through, but here's something alike, then you are free to believe not: http://web.psych.ualberta.ca/~varn/bc/Kleinke.htm

A number of research studies have shown that making a facial expression, such as a smile, can produce effects on the body that are similar to those that result from the actual emotion, such as happiness.

[...]

As found in other studies, facial expressions did affect the participants' mood: Mood did not change in the control group who simply viewed the expressions. Participants who matched the positive expressions experienced a positive change in mood (they were in a more positive mood after making positive facial expressions) and participants who matched the negative expressions experienced a negative change in mood.

Participants who were more self-conscious showed greater changes in mood following making the positive or negative expressions. Kleinke et al. conclude that this finding indicates that self-conscious people are more in-tune with themselves and therefore more responsive to mood-inducting experiences.

Participants who watched their expressions in a mirror also showed a greater change in mood. It seems that the visual feedback adds to the proprioceptive self-awareness of mood-related facial expression.

Overall, this study adds to the facial feedback theory of emotion by demonstrating that a personality characteristic of self-consciousness and visual feedback both add to the effect of facial expression on emotion.

Mashabator
Jul 15th, 2012, 07:55 AM
I just listen to my favourite songs, do something i enjoy doing or anything that makes me happy! Sleeping also really helps alot of the time i'd go to sleep early and the next morning i'd feel lots better!

joy division
Jul 15th, 2012, 08:17 AM
I think watching amazing TV shows and films helps. It helped me today. I actually wanted to talk to somebody when I was sober. That hasn't happened in awhile.

Sorry but when you look at the whole I guess this is the worst way to get out of the dilemma/catch 22 in which depressive people are finding theirselves.

Watching (too much) TV might be one of the main reasons that you are prone to get depressive.
You might have a temporary success but you unawarely feed anxiety and the associated feeling of no exit with stuff like that when you are depressive.

Undependently what you watch this kind of "activity" actually corrupts your abilities in imagination and building up a healthy spiritual attitude towards that what you face in your life.
When you do it in unduly fashion as a child it can reduce the physical developement of brain and do some irretrievable damage there.
Brainsciencists in Germany have researched and proved that nowadays.

As about all psychic disorder the currency, measures and the way of getting healed of it is an individual matter.
When you are not yet in a very deep stadium you can(still are able to) do a lot of things to get in control of your mental balance.
Every kind of own and not one-sided physical or spiritual activity is useful.
I`d say singing, also in a chorus is a very good thing to do.

debby
Jul 15th, 2012, 08:36 AM
no...thinking positive is necessary in every illness to heal, as for smiling it DOES make you a little happier, I couldn't find the text with the studies I went through, but here's something alike, then you are free to believe not: http://web.psych.ualberta.ca/~varn/bc/Kleinke.htm

Sorry but it's bullshit.

My mother put on a fake smile for decades, thinking it would help her. She is depressed since she is like 12.

Fantasy Hero
Jul 15th, 2012, 08:53 AM
Sorry but it's bullshit.

My mother put on a fake smile for decades, thinking it would help her. She is depressed since she is like 12.

I am sorry for your mum and as I said you are free to believe it not, but it ain't bullshit, since it's working for 99% of the people in the world.

Mattographer
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:09 AM
There are different types of depression, but putting a fake smile doesn't mean you feel better.

Try and get out to socialise with people or get a hobby will help you. Most importantly, talk to your friends instead of keeping it to yourself :)

debby
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:11 AM
I am sorry for your mum and as I said you are free to believe it not, but it ain't bullshit, since it's working for 99% of the people in the world.

Well, in life, that's not how it happens. It's too easy.

When I was depressed, I felt even more shit when I put on a fake smile just to please these annoying people who don't even realize you need help because you are trying your best to hid it from them. That's how I felt. So basically I became distant. Life goes on (so I put on a smile because that's how you have to behave in the society), so I was like before but... a bit empty inside. And I had to do a lot of retrospective, to accept many things, to see a therapist, to find motivation for studying, to watch my favourite shows etc, to reduce my dose of medication, etc......

So the major reason of getting better is much more complex than a mere fake smile. Depression is hard to cope with. It lasts for months, and maybe even years.... not for days.

debby
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:12 AM
There are different types of depression, but putting a fake smile doesn't mean you feel better.

Try and get out to socialise with people or get a hobby will help you. Most importantly, talk to your friends instead of keeping it to yourself :)

True, it helps to get better ! Sadly, in a depression, we don't want to meet new people and we don't feel motivated enough to find a new hobby. It's such a vicious spiral.

Mattographer
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:17 AM
True, it helps to get better ! Sadly, in a depression, we don't want to meet new people and we don't feel motivated enough to find a new hobby. It's such a vicious spiral.
Yeah, it is. It's the best alternative to doing nothing. I live with depression for 9 years, so I know where you come from. I'm a lot better now than I was 9 years ago. Hang in there, Debby :hug:

debby
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:19 AM
Yeah, it is. It's the best alternative to doing nothing. I live with depression for 9 years, so I know where you come from. I'm a lot better now than I was 9 years ago. Hang in there, Debby :hug:

Don't worry, I am out from it, thankfully it only lasted a whole year, but now I am free from this shit :hug:

9 years wow... :hug: :hug: I am happy you feel a lot better !

Fantasy Hero
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:21 AM
Well, in life, that's not how it happens. It's too easy.

When I was depressed, I felt even more shit when I put on a fake smile just to please these annoying people who don't even realize you need help because you are trying your best to hid it from them. That's how I felt. So basically I became distant. Life goes on (so I put on a smile because that's how you have to behave in the society), so I was like before but... a bit empty inside. And I had to do a lot of retrospective, to accept many things, to see a therapist, to find motivation for studying, to watch my favourite shows etc, to reduce my dose of medication, etc......

So the major reason of getting better is much more complex than a mere fake smile. Depression is hard to cope with. It lasts for months, and maybe even years.... not for days.

ok i try it a last time, maybe I asked too much to my english skills, what i meant it was that you need to force yourself to smile as smiling alterates those natural reactions to happiness and your brain feels those as if you are really enjoying the moment.
with a fake smile i meant to say that it's not a natural one as since you are depressed smiling is the last thing you want to do, that's why I called it fake.so trying to smile at things would be fake as you wouldn't feel like, but it then will help. that wouldn't change the fact that you need to TALK to friends about your issues and you need to do everything else it needs.

and i know that depression doesn't last a day or two...

Mattographer
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:22 AM
Gaspa, do you realise depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain?

Fantasy Hero
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:27 AM
Gaspa, do you realise depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain?

I know, but there are millions of ways to cheat on our brain...see I don't care if you would believe me or not, i shared my knowledge to someone who asked for it, then it's up to whoever it reads to trust my words (and all the sources and studies where I took them from).
I guess we all agree on the fact that when we are depressed we are not objective towards things so i'm much keener on believing on studies made by universities and such than on personal experience, even mine.

Steven.
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:29 AM
I don't have clinical/severe depression or anything like that but when life gets me down I tend to just shut down. I still don't know how to cope with it and I just end up beating myself up for hours and it's really unhealthy.

I have temporary ways of coping though, but it's jsut temporary and the euphoria just ends up fading away. I also talk to my friends about it or about anything in general just because it takes my mind off it and it feels good cause you just know someone's there for you. Just going out and socialising helps heaps too.

that said I feel really guilty when I go out to socialise with friends when I'm depressed/feeling down though because I feel amazing for a few hours but then after a while all the negative thoughts just come flooding back and just get into the shittiest mood and it brings down the mood in general and then I feel like a horrible person :sad:

Obviously though people can't be there for you 24/7 so when I'm alone I just sleep it off but honestly it doesn't really help because I just wake up and it's like oh my problems are still very real and I can't get back to sleep. Or I listen to depressing/self empowering music and just cry cause it feels amazing afterwards.

I used to indulge myself in books as well and to be honest I find it's the most effective way to deal with negative thoughts cause like for me I just feel like I'm in a different world for a good 4-5 hours and all the problems just disappears. I haven't been reading lately though mostly cause of laziness but it really helps and really keeps you occupied! It's better than watching tv shows and it's better than listening to music.

anyways I find bottling in emotions the worst thing ever. I did it too much in high school and I'm just tired of not being able to express myself and talking and crying about it really does help.

debby
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:33 AM
I know, but there are millions of ways to cheat on our brain...see I don't care if you would believe me or not, i shared my knowledge to someone who asked for it, then it's up to whoever it reads to trust my words (and all the sources and studies where I took them from).
I guess we all agree on the fact that when we are depressed we are not objective towards things so i'm much keener on believing on studies made by universities and such than on personal experience, even mine.

Some studies might not be reliable.

Many studies show that the best thing for a depression is medication + therapy + retrospective on yourself.
I prefer to believe personal experience than a weird study because I have coped with it ALL my life.

Mattographer
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:33 AM
I know, but there are millions of ways to cheat on our brain...see I don't care if you would believe me or not, i shared my knowledge to someone who asked for it, then it's up to whoever it reads to trust my words (and all the sources and studies where I took them from).
I guess we all agree on the fact that when we are depressed we are not objective towards things so i'm much keener on believing on studies made by universities and such than on personal experience, even mine.
In the other words, you have never experienced with clinical/severe depression and you have no idea what I'm talking about.

debby
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:36 AM
I don't have clinical/severe depression or anything like that but when life gets me down I tend to just shut down. I still don't know how to cope with it and I just end up beating myself up for hours and it's really unhealthy.

I have temporary ways of coping though, but it's jsut temporary and the euphoria just ends up fading away. I also talk to my friends about it or about anything in general just because it takes my mind off it and it feels good cause you just know someone's there for you. Just going out and socialising helps heaps too.

that said I feel really guilty when I go out to socialise with friends when I'm depressed/feeling down though because I feel amazing for a few hours but then after a while all the negative thoughts just come flooding back and just get into the shittiest mood and it brings down the mood in general and then I feel like a horrible person :sad:

Obviously though people can't be there for you 24/7 so when I'm alone I just sleep it off but honestly it doesn't really help because I just wake up and it's like oh my problems are still very real and I can't get back to sleep. Or I listen to depressing/self empowering music and just cry cause it feels amazing afterwards.

I used to indulge myself in books as well and to be honest I find it's the most effective way to deal with negative thoughts cause like for me I just feel like I'm in a different world for a good 4-5 hours and all the problems just disappears. I haven't been reading lately though mostly cause of laziness but it really helps and really keeps you occupied! It's better than watching tv shows and it's better than listening to music.

anyways I find bottling in emotions the worst thing ever. I did it too much in high school and I'm just tired of not being able to express myself and talking and crying about it really does help.

Do you see a therapist? :hug:
It's awful.... :hug: :hug: you should not feel guilty ! you clearly have deep issues you might not totally be aware of it, so maybe you should take the time to talk to a therapist/psychiatric... I am glad you can talk to some friends :hug:

Maybe you have a clinical or severe depression, I don't know, like I said, you might not be fully aware of all your issues tbh. I mean you were beating yourself up.... that's dangerous !

Steven.
Jul 15th, 2012, 09:42 AM
Do you see a therapist? :hug:
It's awful.... :hug: :hug: you should not feel guilty ! you clearly have deep issues you might not totally be aware of it, so maybe you should take the time to talk to a therapist/psychiatric... I am glad you can talk to some friends :hug:

Maybe you have a clinical or severe depression, I don't know, like I said, you might not be fully aware of all your issues tbh. I mean you were beating yourself up.... that's dangerous !

hahaha not literally beating myself up!! I just mean I find it really hard to let go of negative feelings sometimes and I just think about it a little too much and let it eat at me even though most of the times there's nothing I did wrong, and there's nothing I can do about it. I think I'm just a little too hard on myself and I think it's more just I find it really hard to cope with stress.

It's unhealthy but I'm sure it's nothing serious. :p

thanks for caring though :hug:

Effy
Jul 15th, 2012, 10:15 AM
I don't have clinical/severe depression or anything like that but when life gets me down I tend to just shut down. I still don't know how to cope with it and I just end up beating myself up for hours and it's really unhealthy.

I have temporary ways of coping though, but it's jsut temporary and the euphoria just ends up fading away. I also talk to my friends about it or about anything in general just because it takes my mind off it and it feels good cause you just know someone's there for you. Just going out and socialising helps heaps too.

that said I feel really guilty when I go out to socialise with friends when I'm depressed/feeling down though because I feel amazing for a few hours but then after a while all the negative thoughts just come flooding back and just get into the shittiest mood and it brings down the mood in general and then I feel like a horrible person :sad:

Obviously though people can't be there for you 24/7 so when I'm alone I just sleep it off but honestly it doesn't really help because I just wake up and it's like oh my problems are still very real and I can't get back to sleep. Or I listen to depressing/self empowering music and just cry cause it feels amazing afterwards.

I used to indulge myself in books as well and to be honest I find it's the most effective way to deal with negative thoughts cause like for me I just feel like I'm in a different world for a good 4-5 hours and all the problems just disappears. I haven't been reading lately though mostly cause of laziness but it really helps and really keeps you occupied! It's better than watching tv shows and it's better than listening to music.

anyways I find bottling in emotions the worst thing ever. I did it too much in high school and I'm just tired of not being able to express myself and talking and crying about it really does help.

same here :sad:

Effy
Jul 15th, 2012, 10:16 AM
thanks everyone for sharing your opinion and for your help :hug:

Hashim.
Jul 16th, 2012, 05:10 PM
Sleeping always helps for me.

debby
Jul 16th, 2012, 05:11 PM
Sleeping always helps for me.

That's the worst advice you could give to a person suffering of depression.

Effy
Jul 16th, 2012, 05:12 PM
Sleeping always helps for me.

i used to sleep a lot, it helps indeed but it's not the right way of getting rid of depression :)

Hashim.
Jul 16th, 2012, 05:13 PM
That's the worst advice you could give to a person suffering of depression.

I think you missed the 'for me' part.:o
I was just replying to the thread.

Effy
Jul 16th, 2012, 05:16 PM
any advice and help is appreciated :hug:

debby
Jul 16th, 2012, 05:16 PM
I think you missed the 'for me' part.:o
I was just replying to the thread.

All psychiatrists will tell you : sleeping is not a solution at all, it's actually escaping your own problems.
Sleeping too much is even a sign of depression.

Super Dave
Jul 16th, 2012, 05:36 PM
My two problems my whole life were temper and depression. I basically lived with it without help for 37 years. I finally got help (psychiatrist) but I refused to take antidepressants for a year. Finally, I decided to start on Celexa. They helped almost immediately, although it just "takes the edge off" (with the low dose I'm on), but it's been enough of a help with those 2 issues that life feels livable now. I do recommend them if you haven't tried them.

I did cut the dosage in half awhile ago since there was a study that said anything above 40mg could cause heart rhythm irregularity. So I now take 20mg.

pancake
Jul 16th, 2012, 05:48 PM
A few weeks ago my eczema got much worse (it's still not very good now) and my hands were full of those hideous blisters, which were extremely itchy and could be broken very easily... In fact most of them were broken and my hands were just a mess. And then I went to a doctor who was totally of no help to me, he advised me to stop applying any steroidal cream / ointments (which I used for a decade) and rashes slowly appeared all over my upper body. I couldn't sleep well, there were some yellow liquid oozing from the blisters and I always ended up scratching myself so bad I would leave blood on my bed. I had to clean my bed coz there were skins everywhere (which I scratched off). I couldn't take shower for more than 10 minutes. I got so ugly one night I cried for hours when I looked into mirror... I looked at others and I was so so jealous.. Why their skins are smooth while there are scars all over my body? Will I ever get someone I love? I am gay which means it's harder to get a lover and now with all the scars.. I was scared.

I still have tons of scars and my hands are not fully healed. My skins still look pretty bad. But what I did and do to get me through is.. I count my blessings... everytime I feel sorry for myself. There must be someone who has worse luck and they are still strong. Why can't I? I look ugly but at least I have my family there to fully support me. I am jobless now coz of my skin conditions and have nothing to do so I bought lots of Friends DVDs to entertain myself. I write down how I feel. I often don't believe happiness is a choice. You feel happy. It's like love, love is a feeling, so is happiness. You don't choose to love someone and how can you choose a feeling? But there are ways to cheer yourself up. I do believe watching lots of funny stuff will help. And always remember the support you get. :)

joy division
Jul 16th, 2012, 07:25 PM
All psychiatrists will tell you : sleeping is not a solution at all, it's actually escaping your own problems.
Sleeping too much is even a sign of depression.

You should not believe every nonsense that these guys tell you. May be you also got them wrong.

Sleep without sleeping pill is no escape.
It`s a natural part of your living rhythm, and it`s absolutely needed for recovering. In any kind of illness even more.

Btw. depressive people usually tend to have serious problems to fall asleep, have nightmares, and simply can`t sleep.

Nicolás89
Jul 16th, 2012, 07:44 PM
You should not believe every nonsense that these guys tell you. May be you also got them wrong.

Sleep without sleeping pill is no escape.
It`s a natural part of your living rhythm, and it`s absolutely needed for recovering. In any kind of illness even more.

Btw. depressive people usually tend to have serious problems to fall asleep, have nightmares, and simply can`t sleep.

For people with clinical depression is the complete opposite actually.

I don't have depression but I do have a similar condition & I have been in treatment for 6 years. My best advice here is that you talk about your feelings with someone, say friends, family or a therapist, sometimes when you feel bad but you know you can count with someone for support you feel much better, the worse thing you can do is to keep it to yourself.

Root
Jul 16th, 2012, 08:02 PM
Medication.

Experimenting with shit loads of pills. :drive:

ok i try it a last time, maybe I asked too much to my english skills, what i meant it was that you need to force yourself to smile as smiling alterates those natural reactions to happiness and your brain feels those as if you are really enjoying the moment.
with a fake smile i meant to say that it's not a natural one as since you are depressed smiling is the last thing you want to do, that's why I called it fake.so trying to smile at things would be fake as you wouldn't feel like, but it then will help. that wouldn't change the fact that you need to TALK to friends about your issues and you need to do everything else it needs.

and i know that depression doesn't last a day or two...

I don't see how smiling at something even though you know it's "fake" would help you cope better with depression. If anything, I'd argue it would make you feel worse. :shrug:

Gaspa, do you realise depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain?

Err yes and no.

That's the worst advice you could give to a person suffering of depression.

I'd kill to get a good night sleep during the episodes. :sobbing:

My last episode came to an 'end' about two months ago. The doc diagnosed me with moderately severe depression after my two year dysthymia (or as I used to call it, "chronic sadness"). Then I was put on a round of medication which made no difference for the first half of it. It felt like I was hitting rock bottom too fast to even take action. My coping was pushed to the limit and I ended up resorting to self-destructive behaviour as my last coping mechanism. While it did help, the guilt would then eat me inside out and I'd feel much worse. The cycle was pretty much in constant loop. I was suicidal and during one of my visits to A&E, was asked to be sectioned but I refused. I'd say the one thing that kept me from doing anything idiotic was my previous psychologist. The sessions were the only reason I'd even bother getting out of bed--the only thing I looked forward to in those shitty weeks. Medications helped too but that was much later.

I have come to accept it's highly likely I'll have another major episode (though I dread the thought of it). While I am better now, I don't think I have the 'tools' to deal with it if I relapse yet. I have recently started Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (:rolleyes:) to help me better cope with it.

For me, it was a combination of psychotherapy and medication.

Nicolás89
Jul 16th, 2012, 08:08 PM
I'd kill to get a good night sleep during the episodes. :sobbing:

My last episode came to an 'end' about two months ago. The doc diagnosed me with moderately severe depression after my two year dysthymia (or as I used to call it, "chronic sadness"). Then I was put on a round of medication which made no difference for the first half of it. It felt like I was hitting rock bottom too fast to even take action. My coping was pushed to the limit and I ended up resorting to self-destructive behaviour as my last coping mechanism. While it did help, the guilt would then eat me inside out and I'd feel much worse. The cycle was pretty much in constant loop. I was suicidal and during one of my visits to A&E, was asked to be sectioned but I refused. I'd say the one thing that kept me from doing anything idiotic was my previous psychologist. The sessions were the only reason I'd even bother getting out of bed--the only thing I looked forward to in those shitty weeks. Medications helped too but that was much later.

I have come to accept it's highly likely I'll have another major episode (though I dread the thought of it). While I am better now, I don't think I have the 'tools' to deal with it if I relapse yet. I have recently started Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (:rolleyes:) to help me better cope with it.

For me, it was a combination of psychotherapy and medication.

It seems like you're bipolar, isn't that right?

Root
Jul 16th, 2012, 08:21 PM
It seems like you're bipolar, isn't that right?

I would say not. I don't think I ever had mania or hypomania even. Just good old unipolar depression.

donellcarey
Jul 16th, 2012, 08:58 PM
Sport, going to the beach, anything that makes you feel lively. This time last year I had a huge depression which cause I didn't know (and I still dont), the moment I started swimming in the sea, it was gone :)

What most Spanish speaking ppl would do:lol:

Nicolás89
Jul 16th, 2012, 09:00 PM
I would say not. I don't think I ever had mania or hypomania even. Just good old unipolar depression.

Oh ok I just found it odd that first you said you would have problem to fall sleep during episodes but then contradict yourself and say sometimes you don't find any reason to get out of bed. Silly me.

debby
Jul 16th, 2012, 09:23 PM
You should not believe every nonsense that these guys tell you. May be you also got them wrong.

Sleep without sleeping pill is no escape.
It`s a natural part of your living rhythm, and it`s absolutely needed for recovering. In any kind of illness even more.

Btw. depressive people usually tend to have serious problems to fall asleep, have nightmares, and simply can`t sleep.

:facepalm: :facepalm: Sorry but I know very well what depression is. I was depressed for a whole year, maybe even more, and my mom suffers from bipolarity and depression.

I was not talking about sleeping at night, I was talking about sleeping as a hobby. It's the worst thing. I don't understand why depressed people should spend their days in bed, sleeping. It's very bad as they are more comfortable there, actually running away from their problems and life.

Lack of sleep or oversleeping = a sign of depression.
Sleeping because it kills time = bad stuff. It doesn't help anything. I think you will agree on that ;)


I'd kill to get a good night sleep during the episodes. :sobbing:

My last episode came to an 'end' about two months ago. The doc diagnosed me with moderately severe depression after my two year dysthymia (or as I used to call it, "chronic sadness"). Then I was put on a round of medication which made no difference for the first half of it. It felt like I was hitting rock bottom too fast to even take action. My coping was pushed to the limit and I ended up resorting to self-destructive behaviour as my last coping mechanism. While it did help, the guilt would then eat me inside out and I'd feel much worse. The cycle was pretty much in constant loop. I was suicidal and during one of my visits to A&E, was asked to be sectioned but I refused. I'd say the one thing that kept me from doing anything idiotic was my previous psychologist. The sessions were the only reason I'd even bother getting out of bed--the only thing I looked forward to in those shitty weeks. Medications helped too but that was much later.

I have come to accept it's highly likely I'll have another major episode (though I dread the thought of it). While I am better now, I don't think I have the 'tools' to deal with it if I relapse yet. I have recently started Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (:rolleyes:) to help me better cope with it.

For me, it was a combination of psychotherapy and medication.

I agree with Matias, it sounds like bipolarity, because my mom actually went through a similar thing. I knew she was bipolar when I was 12 after watching an ep of ER about it (as silly as it seems), I begged her to talk about it to the doctor who dismissed it, and another psychiatrist did too... 4 years later, they found her bipolarity. Oh god, it makes me emotional to think about that, it was hard to accept for me, I so wanted to be wrong...

whatever, my mom is now doing much much better now that they've found her disease thus the right medication.

joy division
Jul 16th, 2012, 11:02 PM
For people with clinical depression is the complete opposite actually.

I don't have depression but I do have a similar condition & I have been in treatment for 6 years. My best advice here is that you talk about your feelings with someone, say friends, family or a therapist, sometimes when you feel bad but you know you can count with someone for support you feel much better, the worse thing you can do is to keep it to yourself.

I have to say that I don`t know exactly what clinical depression means, much less that I`m affected by it.
We all have certain issues but I`d say that I`m not depressive.
I know a few people who are seriously suffering of this disease and are medically treated for many years.

They are actually friends of mine and I was talking a lot with them about it, their feelings, though to suicidal thoughts, etc.
They also had more or less sleep disturbances, which is reasonable when you look at one of the main symptoms - anxiety. I was sitting with them preferably by night.
Tranquillizers and sleeping pills are still a part of their medication - so far my knowledge.

About the reasons of depression and what you can do against there is a lot to say. Just a few words.

It`s pretty obvious that mental diseases are increasing nowadays.
Depression is one of them.
Meaning - and senselessness of your own life, Genetic predisposition, social and educational issues, etc. are mentioned in this concern. There is a lot of information available about it in books and medias.

Interestingly when somebody is depressive all knowledge about his disease might not help him, the same with other mental diseases.
When you look at that you might be astonished about the way we use thinking, about it`s relation towards our feelings and emotions and what picture of the human being we generally have.
However, the essentials and the meaning of psychic diseases in human life seems to be not yet entirely clear.

I completely agree with you that these people absolutely should talk about it even when it seems to be pointless for them.
Depressive people tend to seclude theirselves from the world and that`s actually the worst thing that they can do. It will lead them deeper in their illness.
Dealing open with and talking about it is the first step to get healthy.

joy division
Jul 16th, 2012, 11:30 PM
:facepalm: :facepalm: Sorry but I know very well what depression is. I was depressed for a whole year, maybe even more, and my mom suffers from bipolarity and depression.

I was not talking about sleeping at night, I was talking about sleeping as a hobby. It's the worst thing. I don't understand why depressed people should spend their days in bed, sleeping. It's very bad as they are more comfortable there, actually running away from their problems and life.

Lack of sleep or oversleeping = a sign of depression.
Sleeping because it kills time = bad stuff. It doesn't help anything. I think you will agree on that ;)



Lack of own experience most probably made me unimaginative in getting you right in your post.:confused:

Now I know what you mean and I absolutely agree with you in the main point.
Sleeping as a hobby indeed is:bs:

Root
Jul 17th, 2012, 01:47 AM
Oh ok I just found it odd that first you said you would have problem to fall sleep during episodes but then contradict yourself and say sometimes you don't find any reason to get out of bed. Silly me.

I would pretty much oscillate between insomnia and hypersomnia. I never took it as a sign of bipolarity though. I don't meet the criteria of a manic episode. My highs are no where near as severe. But then again I'm no psychiatrist. The GP didn't seem to suspect a bipolar disorder.

delicatecutter
Jul 17th, 2012, 01:48 AM
*dead* at the armchair psychiatrists in this thread..

Root
Jul 17th, 2012, 02:15 AM
Given they did not talk or 'prescribe' medication, I'd change that to armchair psychologist. Or perhaps you need to educate yourself about the two professions.

delicatecutter
Jul 17th, 2012, 02:45 AM
I know the difference between the two professions. :scratch: I mean the people in here who are telling other people they are bipolar, etc.. I guess I could have said "armchair psychologist" but some of these people seem to want to prescribe meds.

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 02:52 AM
I know the difference between the two professions. :scratch: I mean the people in here who are telling other people they are bipolar, etc.. I guess I could have said "armchair psychologist" but some of these people seem to want to prescribe meds.

I may not be a psychiatrist but I have real life experience with the disease, & I was not diagnosing anyone I was asking a question. Now get back to your place. :rolleyes:

delicatecutter
Jul 17th, 2012, 02:57 AM
As if I don't? :spit:

Mikey.
Jul 17th, 2012, 04:20 AM
SSRIs :worship: Even though I only need a low dosage.

kittyking
Jul 17th, 2012, 04:49 AM
bad thoughts and etc?

Kittykings top 10 tips
1. Don't kill yourself, someones gotta pay for the funeral and that would be the ones you love (will they love you after that... hmm)
2. Don't kill anyone else, jail house sex isn't as good as it looks in the movies
3. Don't get a puppy, they grow up
4. Don't give up on your friends, you may be sexy now but one day you're gonna be dayum ugly and wrinkly and who else is gonna love you then?
5. Don't start following womens tennis too closely, it's improving but some matches are quite depressing especially when its your favourite against someone ranked outside the top 100 in the world
6. Don't join the we are the 99% group, they are totally weird and errr if they are really the 99% I'd love to be in the 1%
7. Don't do drugs, it badly hurts your libido
8. Don't hang around sheep too long... I'm a kiwi
9. Don't become a member of the greens party, unless you feel obligated to sleep with a tree instead of your partner
10. Reconsider point 1... kidding :p

ranfurly
Jul 17th, 2012, 06:35 AM
I know the difference between the two professions. :scratch: I mean the people in here who are telling other people they are bipolar, etc.. I guess I could have said "armchair psychologist" but some of these people seem to want to prescribe meds.

Yep, it's easy to diagnose one self, or have others do it for you, especially with the information disseminating on the Internet,

It's a good place to learn about it and find out information, but if you think you may have the associated symptoms of some illness, the best bet is not to go onto a forum like this where people "think" you have some form of mental illness, leave that up to your GP and more often than not, a specialist to diagnose and prescribe the correct treatment.

The only advice you should be giving people is impartial advice, is that if you think you may be suffering from something, take it up with your GP/Doctor rather than worrying yourself on the internet by someone who thinks they are fricken Dr Susan Lowenstein because they have "Experienced"

ranfurly
Jul 17th, 2012, 06:36 AM
Kittykings top 10 tips
1. Don't kill yourself, someones gotta pay for the funeral and that would be the ones you love (will they love you after that... hmm)
2. Don't kill anyone else, jail house sex isn't as good as it looks in the movies
3. Don't get a puppy, they grow up
4. Don't give up on your friends, you may be sexy now but one day you're gonna be dayum ugly and wrinkly and who else is gonna love you then?
5. Don't start following womens tennis too closely, it's improving but some matches are quite depressing especially when its your favourite against someone ranked outside the top 100 in the world
6. Don't join the we are the 99% group, they are totally weird and errr if they are really the 99% I'd love to be in the 1%
7. Don't do drugs, it badly hurts your libido
8. Don't hang around sheep too long... I'm a kiwi
9. Don't become a member of the greens party, unless you feel obligated to sleep with a tree instead of your partner
10. Reconsider point 1... kidding :p

Sheep make me happy though :p

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:18 AM
Lack of own experience most probably made me unimaginative in getting you right in your post.:confused:

Now I know what you mean and I absolutely agree with you in the main point.
Sleeping as a hobby indeed is:bs:

:hug: No I was not being clear myself. It's true that many who struggle to sleep will crave sleeping and feel even worse...

I would pretty much oscillate between insomnia and hypersomnia. I never took it as a sign of bipolarity though. I don't meet the criteria of a manic episode. My highs are no where near as severe. But then again I'm no psychiatrist. The GP didn't seem to suspect a bipolar disorder.

Actually, there are a few degrees of bipolarity. It might be slight bipolarity or severe one.
You know, my mom has seen a few doctors, and she discovered about her disorder only at 40 when I already knew 4 years before... so maybe you should seek informations about different mental disorders related to depression or I don't know, because it is more and more the case nowadays. And if you are treated only for depression while you have a mental disorder, it won't fully help you.

But maybe you only suffer from a depression and you need much, much time. :hug:
When you are not in your episodes in which you feel like absolute shit etc etc (like what you described in the other post), how do you feel?

I know the difference between the two professions. :scratch: I mean the people in here who are telling other people they are bipolar, etc.. I guess I could have said "armchair psychologist" but some of these people seem to want to prescribe meds.

My mom is bipolar, I think I know what bipolarity is thank you very much.

Actually, I have even talked with a few psychiatrists including her personal one, and they all told me bipolarity was actually spreading in the world but most of bipolar people don't even realize it. My mom has always been bipolar, she was 40 when she found out her bipolarity.

So it was not an assessment but a possibility. I would not dare saying nufflemuts is indeed bipolar, but what nufflemutt is going through doesn't exclude the possibility of being bipolar as my mom went through similar episodes.

Fantasy Hero
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:27 AM
Kittykings top 10 tips
1. Don't kill yourself, someones gotta pay for the funeral and that would be the ones you love (will they love you after that... hmm)
2. Don't kill anyone else, jail house sex isn't as good as it looks in the movies
3. Don't get a puppy, they grow up
4. Don't give up on your friends, you may be sexy now but one day you're gonna be dayum ugly and wrinkly and who else is gonna love you then?
5. Don't start following womens tennis too closely, it's improving but some matches are quite depressing especially when its your favourite against someone ranked outside the top 100 in the world
6. Don't join the we are the 99% group, they are totally weird and errr if they are really the 99% I'd love to be in the 1%
7. Don't do drugs, it badly hurts your libido
8. Don't hang around sheep too long... I'm a kiwi
9. Don't become a member of the greens party, unless you feel obligated to sleep with a tree instead of your partner
10. Reconsider point 1... kidding :p

:lol: easily the best post in the thread, you could make me smile in a day that looked as shitty as never of a late...thanks :D it made my day :)

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:56 AM
Yep, it's easy to diagnose one self, or have others do it for you, especially with the information disseminating on the Internet,

It's a good place to learn about it and find out information, but if you think you may have the associated symptoms of some illness, the best bet is not to go onto a forum like this where people "think" you have some form of mental illness, leave that up to your GP and more often than not, a specialist to diagnose and prescribe the correct treatment.

The only advice you should be giving people is impartial advice, is that if you think you may be suffering from something, take it up with your GP/Doctor rather than worrying yourself on the internet by someone who thinks they are fricken Dr Susan Lowenstein because they have "Experienced"

Cool story bro. What part of I was asking a question you didn't understand?

And anyhow considering I'm bipolar myself I think I'm more than qualified to at least recognize the symptoms, don't you think?

Steven.
Jul 17th, 2012, 12:03 PM
not really on the topic of bipolarity but just a general thought about depression

I think the best way to cope with it is just to realise why you're depressed and address it, with the ultimate goal of becoming a better person by the end of it. Just to think of positive thoughts like things WILL DEFINITELY be much better than before. You just need to overcome the problems in your life and at the same time becoming a better person for your own sake, and for the sake of those around you.

there's no point in running away from your problems. Just gotta push through each day and think positive and make a better person out of yourself.

Martian Jeza
Jul 17th, 2012, 12:04 PM
there's no point in running away from your problems. Just gotta push through each day and think positive and make a better person out of yourself.

If it was so easy...

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 12:05 PM
Cool story bro. What part of I was asking a question you didn't understand?

And anyhow considering I'm bipolar myself I think I'm more than qualified to at least recognize the symptoms, don't you think?

:spit:

Since when do you know you are bipolar? :(

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 12:08 PM
:spit:

Since when do you know you are bipolar? :(

6 years ago. I have been pretty much stable for a while now though, thankfully. :D

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 12:14 PM
6 years ago. I have been pretty much stable for a while now though, thankfully. :D

Wow so you got diagnosied early :eek:
And I guess you are on medication with a therapy?

Do you think bipolarity might be in the genes? My psychiatrist is convinced I am not bipolar as she thinks I am actually very stable and my depression from last year was due to a general breakdown. But apparently, it's in the genes (of course not only genes determinate your bipolarity)...

Steven.
Jul 17th, 2012, 12:17 PM
If it was so easy...

I thought about it all last night and I know it's definitely not easy. Even though I typed all that out I still want to give up on everything. But it's really something you need to overcome, it's something you CAN overcome and when you do you will be a better and stronger person.

Depression always comes because you aren't satisfied with certain aspects of your life and running away really doesn't do anything. You just need to change certain aspects of yourself or aspects of your life and things will only get better.

It doesn't feel that way, I know that for a fact that things just feel shit and nothing will improve, but if you keep telling yourself that things will definitely be better than ever (and you have to BELIEVE that it'll be better than ever) I think you can slowly overcome your adversities.

In the meantime while you deal with your problems, occupy yourself, and make yourself a better person. Know why you feel this down, know whether if it's your fault or not - if it is own up to it and make yourself a better person, if it wasn't your fault just let it go.

It's just something I thought about last night and I feel like I'm coping with my problems much better than I did the previous two days.

T_P
Jul 17th, 2012, 12:33 PM
Wow so you got diagnosied early :eek:
And I guess you are on medication with a therapy?

Do you think bipolarity might be in the genes? My psychiatrist is convinced I am not bipolar as she thinks I am actually very stable and my depression from last year was due to a general breakdown. But apparently, it's in the genes (of course not only genes determinate your bipolarity)...

Bipolarity is very much genetic: heritability of 80-85%.

dsanders06
Jul 17th, 2012, 04:59 PM
bad thoughts and etc?

I wish I could tell you there was one surefire way of recovering - I know when I was at my worst points I'd make threads like on this on forums (never on this forum though, I had appearances to keep up :oh: ) just hoping someone would be able to give me a step-by-step guide of how to get better. But the reality is everyone needs to find their own solution, and what helps one person recover from depression doesn't work for everyone - don't believe people who say getting exercise everyday or just trying to think positively or just trying to bury yourself in work/social life to not give yourself time to think about your problems, are guaranteed cures - they work for some people who have depression, and they MIGHT work for you, but they didn't work for me, there's nothing guaranteed about it.

The only advice I feel I can really give you is to give yourself time, lots and lots of time. A couple of years ago, I kept trying to set myself deadlines for when I wanted to be cured of depression and be a "normal" person and not have to take medication, and when I didn't meet the pressure I was putting on myself I just felt doubly worse... I kept trying to overdo it by doing too much before I was ready, like I tried to start university twice already because I felt it was unacceptable and embarrassing to still be living with parents when (seemingly) everyone my age wasn't, I kept trying to force myself to go out nearly everynight because that's what "normal" students do and that's what it seemed like all my old friends from school were doing (judging by their Facebook photo albums :lol: ), I kept trying to deny I was still feeling worse inside than I should've been, but each time I tried to do all that I just ended up going back to square one.

It's only been in the last 12 months when I accepted that it's going to take however long it takes and that it's going to have to be gradual that I finally started to make progress (to use the cheesy psychobabble, I only started to recover when I "stopped defining my life by other people's / society's expectations of me and allowed myself time to find what was right for me" :lol: ).

Martian Jeza
Jul 17th, 2012, 05:37 PM
Still wondering if there are people like me suffering of very severe anxiety disorders here but hey Toma : as I said, you can count on me, sweetie :hug:

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 07:12 PM
Wow so you got diagnosied early :eek:
And I guess you are on medication with a therapy?

Do you think bipolarity might be in the genes? My psychiatrist is convinced I am not bipolar as she thinks I am actually very stable and my depression from last year was due to a general breakdown. But apparently, it's in the genes (of course not only genes determinate your bipolarity)...

Yea I was 16 when I was diagnosed (pretty much when I discovered this forum actually, coincidence?)

I think all mood related disorders can be inherited, for example my mom suffered of major depression when she was my age & then again another episode when I was little, so did my dad, my grandma is bipolar too (she refuses treatment).

Root
Jul 17th, 2012, 07:46 PM
not really on the topic of bipolarity but just a general thought about depression

I think the best way to cope with it is just to realise why you're depressed and address it, with the ultimate goal of becoming a better person by the end of it. Just to think of positive thoughts like things WILL DEFINITELY be much better than before. You just need to overcome the problems in your life and at the same time becoming a better person for your own sake, and for the sake of those around you.

there's no point in running away from your problems. Just gotta push through each day and think positive and make a better person out of yourself.

I spent months trying to figure out the causes of my distress and depression with my psychologist but we reached a dead end. It's more like I don't know what's wrong or why but I can feel its effect in my daily life. But if you know your depression is a reaction to events, addressing them will definitely help.

Actually, there are a few degrees of bipolarity. It might be slight bipolarity or severe one.
You know, my mom has seen a few doctors, and she discovered about her disorder only at 40 when I already knew 4 years before... so maybe you should seek informations about different mental disorders related to depression or I don't know, because it is more and more the case nowadays. And if you are treated only for depression while you have a mental disorder, it won't fully help you.

But maybe you only suffer from a depression and you need much, much time. :hug:
When you are not in your episodes in which you feel like absolute shit etc etc (like what you described in the other post), how do you feel?

Yeah, I understand the degree varies across the spectrum. It took me a lot of fighting and denial before I finally accepted I suffered from depression so I don't know what I'd do if I was actually given a bipolar disorder diagnosis instead. So yeah, for now I'm depressed and I'm perfectly content. :lol:

I feel pretty "normal". As in not a very elevated mood or a very low one. Just about right. I'd get mood swings but they are usually reactive in nature and last minutes or hours, rarely a day or seven. I was reminded of what I had done during the last episode and to be honest, it all seemed alien to me. It's almost like we were completely different people. This is also why it's difficult for the psychotherapist and I to work on things now as I'm currently not "in the mood" and I feel very disconnected.

I wish I could tell you there was one surefire way of recovering - I know when I was at my worst points I'd make threads like on this on forums (never on this forum though, I had appearances to keep up :oh: ) just hoping someone would be able to give me a step-by-step guide of how to get better. But the reality is everyone needs to find their own solution, and what helps one person recover from depression doesn't work for everyone - don't believe people who say getting exercise everyday or just trying to think positively or just trying to bury yourself in work/social life to not give yourself time to think about your problems, are guaranteed cures - they work for some people who have depression, and they MIGHT work for you, but they didn't work for me, there's nothing guaranteed about it.

The only advice I feel I can really give you is to give yourself time, lots and lots of time. A couple of years ago, I kept trying to set myself deadlines for when I wanted to be cured of depression and be a "normal" person and not have to take medication, and when I didn't meet the pressure I was putting on myself I just felt doubly worse... I kept trying to overdo it by doing too much before I was ready, like I tried to start university twice already because I felt it was unacceptable and embarrassing to still be living with parents when (seemingly) everyone my age wasn't, I kept trying to force myself to go out nearly everynight because that's what "normal" students do and that's what it seemed like all my old friends from school were doing (judging by their Facebook photo albums :lol: ), I kept trying to deny I was still feeling worse inside than I should've been, but each time I tried to do all that I just ended up going back to square one.

It's only been in the last 12 months when I accepted that it's going to take however long it takes and that it's going to have to be gradual that I finally started to make progress (to use the cheesy psychobabble, I only started to recover when I "stopped defining my life by other people's / society's expectations of me and allowed myself time to find what was right for me" :lol: ).

And the right thing for you was trolling in TF? :lol:

I very much agree with what you posted. Your answer to your particular mental crisis will be different to mine or theirs. I don't think there is a "right" way to get through it. As widely spread as depression and anxiety are, I feel they are both very personalised and that's why it's hard to give OP a guide so to speak.

ranfurly
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:20 PM
Cool story bro. What part of I was asking a question you didn't understand?

And anyhow considering I'm bipolar myself I think I'm more than qualified to at least recognize the symptoms, don't you think?

It was aye bro! mint story bro! Should be published for a pulitzer.

sweet bro!

you are? I'm sorry to hear that.

I'd be getting a second opinion If I was you :lol:, Sounds like your' shrink is a few maoris short of a seabed dispute :lol:

kittyking
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:24 PM
Sheep make me happy though :p

That's what mince pies are for ;)

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:26 PM
It was aye bro! mint story bro! Should be published for a pulitzer.

sweet bro!

you are? I'm sorry to hear that.

I'd be getting a second opinion If I was you :lol:, Sounds like your' shrink is a few maoris short of a seabed dispute :lol:

Wow! You just like being the jerk, don't you?

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:27 PM
It was aye bro! mint story bro! Should be published for a pulitzer.

sweet bro!

you are? I'm sorry to hear that.

I'd be getting a second opinion If I was you :lol:, Sounds like your' shrink is a few maoris short of a seabed dispute :lol:

:weirdo: :weirdo:

Yup, I now understand better people who begged me to include you in TWAT.

ranfurly
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:30 PM
That's what mince pies are for ;)

Funny that, you know the Pie Bin down Wairakei Road? I got myself a pie for lunch this monring from there! :lol:

It was either that or the Cranberry and Cheese one, nippy down this part of the Island today. Hows Welly?

ranfurly
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:36 PM
Wow! You just like being the jerk, don't you?

Sure, why not?

:weirdo: :weirdo:

Yup, I now understand better people who begged me to include you in TWAT.

Not too sure what TWAT was, but mine would be pretty tight none the less.

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:41 PM
Sure, why not?

Nice edit btw. :rolleyes:

kittyking
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:41 PM
Funny that, you know the Pie Bin down Wairakei Road? I got myself a pie for lunch this monring from there! :lol:

It was either that or the Cranberry and Cheese one, nippy down this part of the Island today. Hows Welly?

Omg yummy thats the one near burnside right?

Welly sucks, I wanna go back to Chch...
... I didn't mean it sucks in a bad pleasurable way :tape:

ranfurly
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:44 PM
Omg yummy thats the one near burnside right?

Welly sucks, I wanna go back to Chch...
... I didn't mean it sucks in a bad pleasurable way :tape:

Yep, Just up the road from the subway and the dairy run by the asian crew, on the left going into town!

Welly blows literally, Your' partner wanting to come down as well?

kittyking
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:45 PM
Wow! You just like being the jerk, don't you?

That's not very kind man, if you want to conquer depression this is not to go the way to go about it
Kittykings reasons why;
1. It's not particularly nice
2. What's that dash above the i in your username, its groovy baby
3. I've been trying to find a name that rhymes with your name, with no success
4. Ranfurly is a sexy fella, if your nice he may even post a shirtless pic ;)

ranfurly
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:45 PM
Nice edit btw. :rolleyes:

Agreed, it was a nice edit, one of the best.

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:49 PM
Agreed, it was a nice edit, one of the best.

Totally, it made you look like less of a jerk, you should edit your posts more often.

kittyking
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:49 PM
Yep, Just up the road from the subway and the dairy run by the asian crew, on the left going into town!

Welly blows literally, Your' partner wanting to come down as well?

I lived there for 21 years, and my partner lived there for about 5. I dont think hes a hurry to return, I love the city but I'm not sure if I could live there for at least another few years. I was working in the Cbd during the february quake, saw people die in Cashel Mall and many many others badly injured. Went home, the sewage came out our front door (not just our sewage, our neighbours too!) for a few months. The house is still quite damaged, Eqc may be 4/5 years away we've heard as we are Tc3.

ranfurly
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:53 PM
I lived there for 21 years, and my partner lived there for about 5. I dont think hes a hurry to return, I love the city but I'm not sure if I could live there for at least another few years. I was working in the Cbd during the february quake, saw people die in Cashel Mall and many many others badly injured. Went home, the sewage came out our front door (not just our sewage, our neighbours too!) for a few months. The house is still quite damaged, Eqc may be 4/5 years away we've heard as we are Tc3.

We just had the bathroom renovated last week, thanks EQC! got a shower cabinet installed!

yeah I was out that way in Sydenham not long ago, still alot of damage out there with the roads!

ranfurly
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:55 PM
Totally, it made you look like less of a jerk, you should edit your posts more often.

Much like your shrink should edit your prescription :lol: :p

kittyking
Jul 17th, 2012, 09:01 PM
We just had the bathroom renovated last week, thanks EQC! got a shower cabinet installed!

yeah I was out that way in Sydenham not long ago, still alot of damage out there with the roads!

Nice one :) The driveways also got a few massive holes in it now, looks like they were doing some testing on it... you'd think they could have filled them up afterwards or something.

Take off your shirt hunk

Queenpova
Jul 17th, 2012, 09:06 PM
I am currently going through a depression, eand it really sucks. Like you dont feel like doing anything, you just surrender and want to sleep... I also have to study and its nearly impossible in this state of mind. Anyways my biggest issue is that 2 friends backstabbed me some time ago and this has made my social anxiety reappear (I have lost my self confidence lately), it sucks...

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 09:08 PM
I am currently going through a depression, eand it really sucks. Like you dont feel like doing anything, you just surrender and want to sleep... I also have to study and its nearly impossible in this state of mind. Anyways my biggest issue is that 2 friends backstabbed me some time ago and this has made my social anxiety reappear (I have lost my self confidence lately), it sucks...

:sad:
Yes I totally get you. Social anxiety? ewww. Do you have other friends who might come by to cheer you up???

Lucemferre
Jul 17th, 2012, 09:19 PM
The entire forum might as well go to a group therapy together. There is too many people suffering from the same shit. Why are we so fucked up?

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 09:21 PM
The entire forum might as well go to a group therapy together. There is too many people suffering from the same shit. Why are we so fucked up?

Wow, you could be nicer about it !

Queenpova
Jul 17th, 2012, 09:22 PM
:sad:
Yes I totally get you. Social anxiety? ewww. Do you have other friends who might come by to cheer you up???

No, Im kinda introverted, have a couple of friends that I see sometimes but I'm not CLOSE to

Lucemferre
Jul 17th, 2012, 09:23 PM
Wow, you could be nicer about it !

Cut the political crap. OK if you didn't like it I take it back: Why am I so fucked up?

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 09:28 PM
No, Im kinda introverted, have a couple of friends that I see sometimes but I'm not CLOSE to

And friends from other regions? And acquaintances ?
I don't know if you are at the uni or still in highschool, but can't you meet new people in parties ? Ok I know, when you are depressed, you just want to crawl in a hole and die there.

Maybe you should try to meet them, maybe going out with new people might help you a bit....

Cut the political crap. OK if you didn't like it I take it back: Why am I so fucked up?

I don't know, it's up to you to know. :lol:

I think the society is shallow and very exigeant with us perhaps :shrug:

dsanders06
Jul 17th, 2012, 10:20 PM
And the right thing for you was trolling in TF? :lol:


:oh:


Also, from what you've said about your experience, I agree with you that it sounds like what you have is depression, rather than bipolar disorder. I guess Matias and Debby thought it because of what you said about self-destructive behaviour -- my doctor/relatives briefly wondered if I was bipolar when I was at my lowest about 18 months ago when I kept on self-destructive streaks, but it was more a cry for help, it wasn't really the same thought process as someone who's bipolar, and as you say there weren't any highs that you would get if you were bipolar either.

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 10:25 PM
:oh:


Also, from what you've said about your experience, I agree with you that it sounds like what you have is depression, rather than bipolar disorder. I guess Matias and Debby thought it because of what you said about self-destructive behaviour -- my doctor/relatives briefly wondered if I was bipolar when I was at my lowest about 18 months ago when I kept on self-destructive streaks, but it was more a cry for help, it wasn't really the same thought process as someone who's bipolar, and as you say there weren't any highs that you would get if you were bipolar either.

Actually you got it all wrong.

Bipolar disorder can be associated with depression (my mom is depressed AND bipolar) ;)
also I don't see why it might not be a cry for help for bipolar persons? that's what happened with my mom a few times....

being bipolar doesn't mean you have necessarily highs so to say. You actually two moods : one in which you are depressed for weeks/months, then suddenly you are OK for months.. then you are back into depression....
My mom is stable now, so of course there are moments she feels down and sad, but it's not like before anymore when she was really at her lowest, wanting to die, etc etc then suddenly "I am alright, why are you guys all worried for me, it's alright, it was not a big deal at all !"

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 10:48 PM
:oh:


Also, from what you've said about your experience, I agree with you that it sounds like what you have is depression, rather than bipolar disorder. I guess Matias and Debby thought it because of what you said about self-destructive behaviour -- my doctor/relatives briefly wondered if I was bipolar when I was at my lowest about 18 months ago when I kept on self-destructive streaks, but it was more a cry for help, it wasn't really the same thought process as someone who's bipolar, and as you say there weren't any highs that you would get if you were bipolar either.

Having a self destructive behaviour is not a condition for bipolars though, I think you meant you were being impulsive & lacking in judgement?

Actually you got it all wrong.

Bipolar disorder can be associated with depression (my mom is depressed AND bipolar) ;)
also I don't see why it might not be a cry for help for bipolar persons? that's what happened with my mom a few times....

being bipolar doesn't mean you have necessarily highs so to say. You actually two moods : one in which you are depressed for weeks/months, then suddenly you are OK for months.. then you are back into depression....
My mom is stable now, so of course there are moments she feels down and sad, but it's not like before anymore when she was really at her lowest, wanting to die, etc etc then suddenly "I am alright, why are you guys all worried for me, it's alright, it was not a big deal at all !"

Well yea that's not how the disorder works when you're having a manic episode though :p There's usually a transition between the 2 moods, a period of time when you feel stable. When I was bad I was a real rollercoaster, sometimes I would barely have any sleep, talk non stop, I was more horny than usual (got to say it :oh:), I would even post here more often :lol: & when I felt depressed I would literally only get out of bed to eat & go to the bathroom, a mess. Thankfully those days are over. :lol:

Vartan
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:07 PM
http://kellybee322.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/when-im-sad-i-stop-being-sad-and-be-awesome-instead-700x393.jpg

kittyking
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:12 PM
Having a self destructive behaviour is not a condition for bipolars though, I think you meant you were being impulsive & lacking in judgement?



Well yea that's not how the disorder works when you're having a manic episode though :p There's usually a transition between the 2 moods, a period of time when you feel stable. When I was bad I was a real rollercoaster, sometimes I would barely have any sleep, talk non stop, I was more horny than usual (got to say it :oh:), I would even post here more often :lol: & when I felt depressed I would literally only get out of bed to eat & go to the bathroom, a mess. Thankfully those days are over. :lol:

I haven't posted anything about bipolar, or for that matter posted many posts that could be taken too seriously.

I have a few friends with bipolar. It is a serious condition, however I truly believe that too many people are claiming to have it, too many doctors are diagnosing people with it, and in many (not all, but many) people are being given too many prescriptions for it.

Life is stressful. It has lots of highs, and lots of lows. It's only logical to think that moods and the personalities which follow these are the same. It's really really hard to get through the bad times, we all know that and particularly in todays day in age its far too easy to get down in the dumps for months on end. It's also easy to get into a disillusioned state for periods at a time. It doesn't just happen because of 'extreme' events either. Someone people like a regular routine more than others, and if it goes out of wack everything just seems to fall apart.

Unfortunetly some doctors would give you pills to relieve your stress. A far better solution is accepting that you may well feel quite low for awhile. But its very important for you to go outside and smell the roses so to speak. There is a hundred ways you can help yourself get better, probably a thousand! A couple of (serious) tips;
1. Substitute those yummy biscuits for a piece of fruit, doesn't matter which type my personal favourite is seedless grapes.
2. Force yourself to do something social, whether thats meeting a friend down at the pub
3. Have a go at Archery.. yea, this one sounds odd I know but it helped three of my friends who are from quite different backgrounds.
4. Turn off the Tv, particularly if the news is on
5. If your fit go for a run, if your not walk to the dairy and get an icecream - you can say kittyking told you too, but don't send me the bill cheers ;)

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:34 PM
Having a self destructive behaviour is not a condition for bipolars though, I think you meant you were being impulsive & lacking in judgement?



Well yea that's not how the disorder works when you're having a manic episode though :p There's usually a transition between the 2 moods, a period of time when you feel stable. When I was bad I was a real rollercoaster, sometimes I would barely have any sleep, talk non stop, I was more horny than usual (got to say it :oh:), I would even post here more often :lol: & when I felt depressed I would literally only get out of bed to eat & go to the bathroom, a mess. Thankfully those days are over. :lol:


Well actually that's what she was telling us, but who knows what was going through her head ? :lol:

I know there is a transition but someone her moods were really off putting. :lol:
But that's too simplistic, there were many more things like eating habits, sleeping cycles, etc etc

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:36 PM
I haven't posted anything about bipolar, or for that matter posted many posts that could be taken too seriously.

I have a few friends with bipolar. It is a serious condition, however I truly believe that too many people are claiming to have it, too many doctors are diagnosing people with it, and in many (not all, but many) people are being given too many prescriptions for it.

Life is stressful. It has lots of highs, and lots of lows. It's only logical to think that moods and the personalities which follow these are the same. It's really really hard to get through the bad times, we all know that and particularly in todays day in age its far too easy to get down in the dumps for months on end. It's also easy to get into a disillusioned state for periods at a time. It doesn't just happen because of 'extreme' events either. Someone people like a regular routine more than others, and if it goes out of wack everything just seems to fall apart.

Unfortunetly some doctors would give you pills to relieve your stress. A far better solution is accepting that you may well feel quite low for awhile. But its very important for you to go outside and smell the roses so to speak. There is a hundred ways you can help yourself get better, probably a thousand! A couple of (serious) tips;
1. Substitute those yummy biscuits for a piece of fruit, doesn't matter which type my personal favourite is seedless grapes.
2. Force yourself to do something social, whether thats meeting a friend down at the pub
3. Have a go at Archery.. yea, this one sounds odd I know but it helped three of my friends who are from quite different backgrounds.
4. Turn off the Tv, particularly if the news is on
5. If your fit go for a run, if your not walk to the dairy and get an icecream - you can say kittyking told you too, but don't send me the bill cheers ;)

Is this directed at me? I know for a fact that I'm bipolar, pretty much all the doctors I've seen (many, many doctors) have reached the same conclusions, for me it is not a option to quit the treatment.

But I think you're right, people take the bipolar disorder too lightly when in reality is a serious condition for most people with it. I also think there's a small line that separates the disorder from a just a "crazy" season & that's that many people with the disorder can't function at all & also their behaviour is so erratic that people expose themselves to risky situations.

When you get the right treatment (& that's a looooong fight) people with the disorder finally can get stability into their lifes. Although I have been pretty much "functional" the whole time except from some periods of time, I only found stability a year ago. Some people I know never find that place.

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:39 PM
I haven't posted anything about bipolar, or for that matter posted many posts that could be taken too seriously.

I have a few friends with bipolar. It is a serious condition, however I truly believe that too many people are claiming to have it, too many doctors are diagnosing people with it, and in many (not all, but many) people are being given too many prescriptions for it.

Life is stressful. It has lots of highs, and lots of lows. It's only logical to think that moods and the personalities which follow these are the same. It's really really hard to get through the bad times, we all know that and particularly in todays day in age its far too easy to get down in the dumps for months on end. It's also easy to get into a disillusioned state for periods at a time. It doesn't just happen because of 'extreme' events either. Someone people like a regular routine more than others, and if it goes out of wack everything just seems to fall apart.

Unfortunetly some doctors would give you pills to relieve your stress. A far better solution is accepting that you may well feel quite low for awhile. But its very important for you to go outside and smell the roses so to speak. There is a hundred ways you can help yourself get better, probably a thousand! A couple of (serious) tips;
1. Substitute those yummy biscuits for a piece of fruit, doesn't matter which type my personal favourite is seedless grapes.
2. Force yourself to do something social, whether thats meeting a friend down at the pub
3. Have a go at Archery.. yea, this one sounds odd I know but it helped three of my friends who are from quite different backgrounds.
4. Turn off the Tv, particularly if the news is on
5. If your fit go for a run, if your not walk to the dairy and get an icecream - you can say kittyking told you too, but don't send me the bill cheers ;)

My mom is clearly bipolar and nothing from that list was enough :p And I am sure it's the same for Matias.

About that list : i guess it's directed to really sad people (not depressed)
a depression is really serious, it can't be cured by doing all these things :/ but you are right, many people either take this too lightly or think sadness=depression.... and that's not a good thing at all !

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:41 PM
Is this directed at me? I know for a fact that I'm bipolar, pretty much all the doctors I've seen (many, many doctors) have reached the same conclusions, for me it is not a option to quit the treatment.

But I think you're right, people take the bipolar disorder too lightly when in reality is a serious condition for most people with it. I also think there's a small line that separates the disorder from a just a "crazy" season & that's that many people with the disorder can't function at all & also their behaviour is so erratic that people expose themselves to risky situations.

When you get the right treatment (& that's a looooong fight) people with the disorder finally can get stability into their lifes. Although I have been pretty much "functional" the whole time except from some periods of time, I only found stability a year ago. Some people I know never find that place.

:worship:

about the bolded part, this sounds like my mom :D she finally found stability a year ago, I am so happy :awww: it was really hard before. I hope it's finally behind you and my mom ! It's a terrible disease :help:

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:42 PM
Well actually that's what she was telling us, but who knows what was going through her head ? :lol:

I know there is a transition but someone her moods were really off putting. :lol:
But that's too simplistic, there were many more things like eating habits, sleeping cycles, etc etc

What type of bipolar is she, I'm bipolar type I.

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:45 PM
:worship:

about the bolded part, this sounds like my mom :D she finally found stability a year ago, I am so happy :awww: it was really hard before. I hope it's finally behind you and my mom ! It's a terrible disease :help:

I guess so. To me it is just a regular disease, as if my kidneys were sick or something :lol: I guess I just learned to not victimize myself.

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:45 PM
What type of bipolar is she, I'm bipolar type I.

I don't know, I always confuse these types. :o I know she once told me but I forgot damn it... I think it's type I .... I should read that book about the bipolar disorder, she always wanted me to read it :awww:
I will ask her ;)

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:48 PM
I guess so. To me it is just a regular disease, as if my kidneys were sick or something :lol: I guess I just learned to not victimize myself.

Well it's hard for you but your family too :shrug:

In my case, it was hard, even if we all supported her, it was still crazy... like I cried so many times... I even saved her life a few times.... my brother had to hold her arms and legs really tight so she would stop yelling while waiting for the help... :tape: that kind of stuff.
She is a wonderful mom, so it was always breaking our heart to see her self destroying like that TBH.

But now it's behind us. :D

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:50 PM
I don't know, I always confuse these types. :o I know she once told me but I forgot damn it... I think it's type I .... I should read that book about the bipolar disorder, she always wanted me to read it :awww:
I will ask her ;)

Or maybe she just wasn't categorized & labeled as I was. :lol: I know some people don't know what type are they (as if it you would choose a team :lol:) because their doctors don't feel like it is necessary to know to treat them.

Mashi
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:50 PM
i watch porn

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:54 PM
Or maybe she just wasn't categorized & labeled as I was. :lol: I know some people don't know what type are they (as if it you would choose a team :lol:) because their doctors don't feel like it is necessary to know to treat them.

Nah I know she has a type but I forgot it :o because she has some medication, and she's found the right dosage ;) when she feels a bit down, her psy changes her dosage up , and if she feels better, she reduces it , etc.. they found the right balance !
do you see someone right ?

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:56 PM
Well it's hard for you but your family too :shrug:

In my case, it was hard, even if we all supported her, it was still crazy... like I cried so many times... I even saved her life a few times.... my brother had to hold her arms and legs really tight so she would stop yelling while waiting for the help... :tape: that kind of stuff.
She is a wonderful mom, so it was always breaking our heart to see her self destroying like that TBH.

But now it's behind us. :D

Yea I know it can be really hard for the people close to you, when I was with my family my disease literally torned the family apart, I never really was sucidal but I did other stuff I don't want to talk about now :lol:

debby
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:57 PM
Yea I know it can be really hard for the people close to you, when I was with my family my disease literally torned the family apart, I never really was sucidal but I did other stuff I don't want to talk about now :lol:

:hug: :hug: :hug:

Yeah it's really important to have a very close family ! I am so glad we didn't tear up :worship:

Nicolás89
Jul 17th, 2012, 11:59 PM
Nah I know she has a type but I forgot it :o because she has some medication, and she's found the right dosage ;) when she feels a bit down, her psy changes her dosage up , and if she feels better, she reduces it , etc.. they found the right balance !
do you see someone right ?

Well right now I am at a place where the doctors have maintained the same dosage for a while & him & I expect to keep it that way for 3 years more at least.

Yep, I see a psychiatrist once a month & a therapist twice a month.

kittyking
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:02 AM
My mom is clearly bipolar and nothing from that list was enough :p And I am sure it's the same for Matias.

About that list : i guess it's directed to really sad people (not depressed)
a depression is really serious, it can't be cured by doing all these things :/ but you are right, many people either take this too lightly or think sadness=depression.... and that's not a good thing at all !

Well, actually it was directed towards people who get severe mood swings. I simply commented on how to deal with things in bad times because in my opinion there is nothing wrong with being in a happy state :shrugs: People with bi polar in my experience are happy at times, sad at others. If you're sad all the time and it never changes, then most doctors would call that depression.

I know a bit more about this subject than I'm letting on, but Matias I wasn't speaking about your case directly. A commonsense approach would be 'if it aint broke, don't fix it'. I know of some doctors who feel obligated and in fact pressured to diagnose people with mental illness' which they may or may not have. Drugs often follow depending on the severity of the condition, and if these are given to the wrong people; even in small doses, it causes problems. These aren't limited to the individual but also their family and society in general.

Sadness is not depression, as I've said sadness is very natural. The reality is that no one has a perfect life. It's full of ups and downs. Doctors forget/ignore this basic fact.

debby
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:02 AM
That just sucks. :o
I am so happy to be over with medication and therapy, but you guys have to be on treatment for life. :sad: Oh well, as long as you are happy and healthy, that's the most important !

kittyking
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:06 AM
Nah I know she has a type but I forgot it :o because she has some medication, and she's found the right dosage ;) when she feels a bit down, her psy changes her dosage up , and if she feels better, she reduces it , etc.. they found the right balance !
do you see someone right ?

I hate to point out the obvious here, but does it really matter which 'type' she is?

People with mental disorders, it doesn't matter which type or the severity of it should be handled individually. What's right for someone isn't right for another, and grouping people/treating them 'like one of those folk' has more con's than pro's.

Nicolás89
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:06 AM
:hug: :hug: :hug:

Yeah it's really important to have a very close family ! I am so glad we didn't tear up :worship:

;)

debby
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:07 AM
Well, actually it was directed towards people who get severe mood swings. I simply commented on how to deal with things in bad times because in my opinion there is nothing wrong with being in a happy state :shrugs: People with bi polar in my experience are happy at times, sad at others. If you're sad all the time and it never changes, then most doctors would call that depression.

I know a bit more about this subject than I'm letting on, but Matias I wasn't speaking about your case directly. A commonsense approach would be 'if it aint broke, don't fix it'. I know of some doctors who feel obligated and in fact pressured to diagnose people with mental illness' which they may or may not have. Drugs often follow depending on the severity of the condition, and if these are given to the wrong people; even in small doses, it causes problems. These aren't limited to the individual but also their family and society in general.

Sadness is not depression, as I've said sadness is very natural. The reality is that no one has a perfect life. It's full of ups and downs. Doctors forget/ignore this basic fact.

But bipolar disorder is coupled with depression so... welp I really need to read that book, I've promised my mom to do it for years, it's time to read it !

Yeah that's true. My doctor hates unnecessary treatements , especially Valiums.
Once I had a small breakdown at highschool for some reasons, my mom gave me a half-Valium, and the doctor was like "ok to calm her down, but don't give her more valiums, these pills will be enough, and NO SCHOOL for a whole week ok? Valiums are too extreme" but last year, I had a severe breakdown , and he gave me Valiums and sent me at the psychiatrist.

I was lucky to have a doctor who is naturally wary towards this kind of stuff :shrug: because indeed, it can be dangerous after awhile, like addiction... and things can quickly get ugly.

debby
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:09 AM
I hate to point out the obvious here, but does it really matter which 'type' she is?

People with mental disorders, it doesn't matter which type or the severity of it should be handled individually. What's right for someone isn't right for another, and grouping people/treating them 'like one of those folk' has more con's than pro's.

That's mostly why I never really bothered to remember her type.
I guess these types are easier to find the typical treatment as there are different kinds of bipolar disorders (so types), but then it's up to my mom to find the right dosage and how she feels ?

Nicolás89
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:11 AM
Well, actually it was directed towards people who get severe mood swings. I simply commented on how to deal with things in bad times because in my opinion there is nothing wrong with being in a happy state :shrugs: People with bi polar in my experience are happy at times, sad at others. If you're sad all the time and it never changes, then most doctors would call that depression.

I know a bit more about this subject than I'm letting on, but Matias I wasn't speaking about your case directly. A commonsense approach would be 'if it aint broke, don't fix it'. I know of some doctors who feel obligated and in fact pressured to diagnose people with mental illness' which they may or may not have. Drugs often follow depending on the severity of the condition, and if these are given to the wrong people; even in small doses, it causes problems. These aren't limited to the individual but also their family and society in general.

Sadness is not depression, as I've said sadness is very natural. The reality is that no one has a perfect life. It's full of ups and downs. Doctors forget/ignore this basic fact.

Well my doctor doesn't earn anything prescribing me pills, he literally gives me all I need. :lol:

About the bolded part, that's not really true in my experience at least.

That just sucks. :o
I am so happy to be over with medication and therapy, but you guys have to be on treatment for life. :sad: Oh well, as long as you are happy and healthy, that's the most important !

Well not for life but at least 10 years more in my case.

debby
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:13 AM
Well not for life but at least 10 years more in my case.

Oh I thought it was for life, since you can't cure the bipolar disease.. But to each their own treatment.

Nicolás89
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:17 AM
Oh I thought it was for life, since you can't cure the bipolar disease.. But to each their own treatment.

Yea my doctor has told me that if I reach full stability there's really no point on giving me medication, if it is checked regularly that that's the case of course.

I don't really want to take medication for the rest of my life.

kittyking
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:17 AM
But bipolar disorder is coupled with depression so... welp I really need to read that book, I've promised my mom to do it for years, it's time to read it !

Yeah that's true. My doctor hates unnecessary treatements , especially Valiums.
Once I had a small breakdown at highschool for some reasons, my mom gave me a half-Valium, and the doctor was like "ok to calm her down, but don't give her more valiums, these pills will be enough, and NO SCHOOL for a whole week ok? Valiums are too extreme" but last year, I had a severe breakdown , and he gave me Valiums and sent me at the psychiatrist.

I was lucky to have a doctor who is naturally wary towards this kind of stuff :shrug: because indeed, it can be dangerous after awhile, like addiction... and things can quickly get ugly.

Not everyone who has depression has bipolar, only a small percentage do.

Doctors these days are far more likely to give you strong drugs such as valiums (prozac etc) than ever before, and the rate of those with mental disorders is steadily increasing. You can't say there is no connection there. Well done for your doctor stepping in and doing the right thing.

kittyking
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:23 AM
That's mostly why I never really bothered to remember her type.
I guess these types are easier to find the typical treatment as there are different kinds of bipolar disorders (so types), but then it's up to my mom to find the right dosage and how she feels ?

I don't mean to offend, I thought I better say this first.

It's not up to your mum to figure out the right dosage for herself. It is however incredibly important that she is upfront and 100% honest when asked questions by her doctors. It's so easy to say that things are worse than they actually are. Slightly offtopic but a similar example.

You go lunch monday to friday at five different locations. You really enjoyed four of these, but tuesdays one wasn't particularly great. Your friend asks you 'which place should I go to'. Instead of making a recommendation, most people would say something along the lines of 'any except the place I went too on Tuesday', even though we would have had a favourite. Think back to the last time someone asked you that? It's far easier to say bad things than good things, where as the good things are just as important if not more.

Also its really hard to answer 'what dosage do I need', its much easier to answer 'In 3 months time I want to be in this state of mind' and work backwards from there. There is a lot someone with a mental disorder can do to help their own self. Doctors and drugs at best are an assistant, they are not a cure.

debby
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:24 AM
Yea my doctor has told me that if I reach full stability there's really no point on giving me medication, if it is checked regularly that that's the case of course.

I don't really want to take medication for the rest of my life.

But the treatement doesn't have a chemical influence on your brain?

Not everyone who has depression has bipolar, only a small percentage do.

Doctors these days are far more likely to give you strong drugs such as valiums (prozac etc) than ever before, and the rate of those with mental disorders is steadily increasing. You can't say there is no connection there. Well done for your doctor stepping in and doing the right thing.

Nah I meant bipolar persons who are depressed ;)
Thankfully not all depressed persons are bipolar !

yes but it's also up to the person... I mean, the doctor has to say no or yes.... but then it's quite easy to get these strong drugs nowadays :help: so the doctors have to be cautious and careful, but people need to not change their dosage as well.
I remember that in fall 2010, I had knees problems and I was taking pain killers. But as the pain was increasing (but I was also struggling with my mom, that was her last bad episode), I took too many painkillers. Then I suddenly realized it was awful and it was some kind of self harming etc etc, and I just emptied all painkillers in the toilets. The day after was awful, but I was proud of myself.

I had a friend who didn't want to stop his pills but increased the dosage so :/

Nicolás89
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:31 AM
But the treatement doesn't have a chemical influence on your brain?

Some people can fully function without meds, I hope I can be like that someday. :p

kittyking
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:32 AM
But the treatement doesn't have a chemical influence on your brain?



Nah I meant bipolar persons who are depressed ;)
Thankfully not all depressed persons are bipolar !

yes but it's also up to the person... I mean, the doctor has to say no or yes.... but then it's quite easy to get these strong drugs nowadays :help: so the doctors have to be cautious and careful, but people need to not change their dosage as well.
I remember that in fall 2010, I had knees problems and I was taking pain killers. But as the pain was increasing (but I was also struggling with my mom, that was her last bad episode), I took too many painkillers. Then I suddenly realized it was awful and it was some kind of self harming etc etc, and I just emptied all painkillers in the toilets. The day after was awful, but I was proud of myself.

I had a friend who didn't want to stop his pills but increased the dosage so :/

I absolutely see where you are coming from for that, and I'd very seriously consider doing a complaint about that. In the mean time, find a new doctor - change isn't easy, but I think it would be for the best. May be worth checking out health forums, whilst not overly accurate it can give a fair indication of 'more suitable' doctors in your area.

If I had to count how many times I've overdosed on painkillers :lol: I shouldn't be laughing, but when my doctor shouldn't have allowed to have 16 a day (2 at a time maximum of 8 times a day) when I was a teenager.

debby
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:32 AM
I don't mean to offend, I thought I better say this first.

It's not up to your mum to figure out the right dosage for herself. It is however incredibly important that she is upfront and 100% honest when asked questions by her doctors. It's so easy to say that things are worse than they actually are. Slightly offtopic but a similar example.

You go lunch monday to friday at five different locations. You really enjoyed four of these, but tuesdays one wasn't particularly great. Your friend asks you 'which place should I go to'. Instead of making a recommendation, most people would say something along the lines of 'any except the place I went too on Tuesday', even though we would have had a favourite. Think back to the last time someone asked you that? It's far easier to say bad things than good things, where as the good things are just as important if not more.

Also its really hard to answer 'what dosage do I need', its much easier to answer 'In 3 months time I want to be in this state of mind' and work backwards from there. There is a lot someone with a mental disorder can do to help their own self. Doctors and drugs at best are an assistant, they are not a cure.

Oh no, no, I was not offended at all ! Sorry, I should be more clear in my posts or use some smileys :lol: It's a serious and interesting discussion.

Well see, my mom is actually the opposite... :help: one of the reasons that her depression was not well-treated before is because she was lying to everyone, even to us... she put on a fake smile for years, and lied... she admitted us many years later that she used to cry alone, when we were all at the school and my father at work... she was lying to the doctors for our sake :weirdo: she didn't want to be a burden to my bros and I when we were little, esp that I was deaf thus needing more attention , etc etc... oh or that it was not a big deal, and she needed to suck it up or something.

But yeah your example is totally spot on. It's like these tourists who had a great time at some place but something bad (even if isolated) happened, then it tainted the trip at that place, and they remember it more easily.

Honesty is totally important : and I believe that takes a lot of self-retrospective to do so. Because some can perceive some events as meaningful when it was actually not a big deal at all, but that touched them even more... or maybe like telling our own version of a story, it's not always easy to acknowledge our own mistakes in life.

debby
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:36 AM
I absolutely see where you are coming from for that, and I'd very seriously consider doing a complaint about that. In the mean time, find a new doctor - change isn't easy, but I think it would be for the best. May be worth checking out health forums, whilst not overly accurate it can give a fair indication of 'more suitable' doctors in your area.

If I had to count how many times I've overdosed on painkillers :lol: I shouldn't be laughing, but when my doctor shouldn't have allowed to have 16 a day (2 at a time maximum of 8 times a day) when I was a teenager.

Oh no, I was not talking about my doctor :lol: He was great , he is now retired, I have a new one for a year.

I just hear a lot of stories, and my BFF is a nurse so she told me about these doctors.
16 a day :eek: That's a lot !!! I took 10 in 12hours when the max was 8 in 24hours. :tape:

kittyking
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:50 AM
Oh no, no, I was not offended at all ! Sorry, I should be more clear in my posts or use some smileys :lol: It's a serious and interesting discussion.

Well see, my mom is actually the opposite... :help: one of the reasons that her depression was not well-treated before is because she was lying to everyone, even to us... she put on a fake smile for years, and lied... she admitted us many years later that she used to cry alone, when we were all at the school and my father at work... she was lying to the doctors for our sake :weirdo: she didn't want to be a burden to my bros and I when we were little, esp that I was deaf thus needing more attention , etc etc... oh or that it was not a big deal, and she needed to suck it up or something.

But yeah your example is totally spot on. It's like these tourists who had a great time at some place but something bad (even if isolated) happened, then it tainted the trip at that place, and they remember it more easily.

Honesty is totally important : and I believe that takes a lot of self-retrospective to do so. Because some can perceive some events as meaningful when it was actually not a big deal at all, but that touched them even more... or maybe like telling our own version of a story, it's not always easy to acknowledge our own mistakes in life.

Putting on a fake smile is equivalent to pushing it to the side - it certainly doesn't help. While I don't believe people who are in a saddened state, even for weeks should necessarily see a doctor they do need to help themselves. When my aunty died, it was very sudden and unexpected. She wrote something in her will stating that she was allocating him money but he had to use it on the things he loved. It wasn't easy, but he is better now. He's a great guy, quite sensative and he's had issues in the past. However he was able to overcome his grief, without it leading to depression. He lives a happy life now, and I believe she is happy too.

debby
Jul 18th, 2012, 12:53 AM
Putting on a fake smile is equivalent to pushing it to the side - it certainly doesn't help. While I don't believe people who are in a saddened state, even for weeks should necessarily see a doctor they do need to help themselves. When my aunty died, it was very sudden and unexpected. She wrote something in her will stating that she was allocating him money but he had to use it on the things he loved. It wasn't easy, but he is better now. He's a great guy, quite sensative and he's had issues in the past. However he was able to overcome his grief, without it leading to depression. He lives a happy life now, and I believe she is happy too.

Well, how would you detect a depression? If there is a typical and general definition ;)

Glad for your uncle ! :hug: Overcoming a grief can be really hard at moments.

kittyking
Jul 18th, 2012, 01:11 AM
Well, how would you detect a depression? If there is a typical and general definition ;)

Glad for your uncle ! :hug: Overcoming a grief can be really hard at moments.

Virgins

...kidding!

That's up to the psychiatrists, however I would like to repeat what I said earlier in that there are incorrect diagnosis's of depression out there. Sure people are unhappy at time, but that is different to depression. Medicating unhappy people without depression can lead to many bad side effects.

I read an interesting article a few months ago which stated that one of these side effects could be gaining depression after all :o

Queenpova
Jul 18th, 2012, 10:52 AM
I feel like being on the computer makes it worse for some reason. I'm entertained, but also, it depresses me more, wtf.

Just Do It
Jul 18th, 2012, 11:02 AM
Sleeping always helps for me.

:hysteric:
Exactly one year ago I was depressed but my depression was caused by health problems I had, once I was healthy again, depression disappeared in no time. And yes, I would just sleep, whenever I felt down I would just go to my room and sleep, it doesn't help much because when you wake up you feel even worse. What helped me the most were alone walks around the city. In the past, I would NEVER go for a walk alone, I would always go with friends. But when I was ill I would walk for hours all alone and it helped me a lot.
Toma, are you religious, have you tried going to church to light a candle? That might be of help.

debby
Jul 18th, 2012, 11:10 AM
I feel like being on the computer makes it worse for some reason. I'm entertained, but also, it depresses me more, wtf.

Maybe because you feel alone, on your computer ? :shrug:

Queenpova
Jul 30th, 2012, 02:55 PM
How are you guys doing?

wta_zuperfann
Jul 30th, 2012, 04:28 PM
Best natural cure for emotional hassles:

http://www.yogaforeternalbliss.com/different_types_of_yoga/images/warrior2.jpg


yoga & good diet

Michalka
Jul 30th, 2012, 06:38 PM
I'm a pretty negative person, so I can get depressed for no apparent reason easily but what I try to do is watch my favorite shows so that I can forget about my depression and then simply keeping myself occupied whilst not thinking too much about other things

McPie
Jul 31st, 2012, 06:03 AM
spam this forum :p

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 31st, 2012, 07:15 AM
Anything that involves u being out and about is what I'd recommend. Being home leads to isolation which feeds the depression- hard to be depressed when ur having fun ;)

debby
Jul 31st, 2012, 09:48 AM
Anything that involves u being out and about is what I'd recommend. Being home leads to isolation which feeds the depression- hard to be depressed when ur having fun ;)

That's ignorant....
Even when you are out having fun, you can be depressed. That annoys me so much that confusion between sadness and real depression !

Steven.
Jul 31st, 2012, 10:57 AM
yeah distracting yourself when all that's on your mind is negativity is really hard. I mean going out, watching tv shows, studying can help for a short time but I feel like the mind still focuses on the bad stuff. like about going out, it's just like what's the point of anything and don't even want to be there anyway... presense of people can only help so much.

people are depressed because they feel helpless, hopeless and they feel like noone can understand what theyre going through and from that feeling completely alone and nothing can fill the void. being around people doesn't change that. The sense of loneliness can't be relieved or cured by going out. You know what they say, "real loneliness isn't necessarily limited to when you are alone".

Sir Stefwhit
Jul 31st, 2012, 01:39 PM
That's ignorant....
Even when you are out having fun, you can be depressed. That annoys me so much that confusion between sadness and real depression !

I'm not confused between the two (I have a bachelors degree in Psychology). It's called Eco-Therapy look it up! I didn't mean to marginalize depression, that wasn't my intent. Millions of people suffer from depression and I know it's not as simple as going out- but going out, being one with nature, exercising, and finding social activities u like all help in reducing stress.

The thread says "how do u deal with depression" and since there are several forms of depression ranging from mild to severe I offered a simple drug free solution that has proven effective in mild depression.

debby
Jul 31st, 2012, 01:52 PM
Shut the he'll up... I'm not confused between the two (I have a bachelors degree in Psychology). It's called Eco-Therapy look it up! I didn't mean to marginalize depression, that wasn't my intent. Millions of people suffer from depression and I know it's not as simple as going out- but going out, being one with nature, exercising, and finding social activities u like all help in reducing stress.

The thread says "how do u deal with depression" and since there are several forms of depression ranging from mild to severe I offered a simple drug free solution that has proven effective in mild depression.

Yes but then, you can lose interest in many things and be disappointed by people. It's actually a vicious circle.

And I agree with your statement, there are a few forms of depression indeed. Thing is that depression is a mental disease, so I am not sure to know what mild depression is, in comparaison to "mere" sadness.

Cajka
Aug 1st, 2012, 12:37 AM
Still wondering if there are people like me suffering of very severe anxiety disorders here but hey Toma : as I said, you can count on me, sweetie :hug:

Agoraphobia, worst kind of panic attacks? Yes.

McPie
Aug 1st, 2012, 02:29 AM
Agoraphobia, worst kind of panic attacks? Yes.

oh, you have to learn the life of Jérémie, and you will find out that his post in this is just 10% of his depression ;)

Cajka
Aug 1st, 2012, 02:49 AM
oh, you have to learn the life of Jérémie, and you will find out that his post in this is just 10% of his depression ;)

I've never heard about it.

However, I've never suffered from depression, but the anxiety has been quite an issue for me.

I live with that and it's been a while since I accepted that I will never get rid of that. For some reason it helped me. I'm pretty much a control freak, so, of course, I wanted my anxiety to be under control, naturally - it never happened. When I accepted it, it got better, but it's still there to ruin my day completely occasionally.

CatTs
Aug 4th, 2012, 09:53 PM
• be active
• eat healthy
• stay in touch with friends
• learn new skills
• take time to relax
• analyze dat mess in your head

Who said it's gonna be easy?

McPie
Aug 5th, 2012, 01:51 PM
I've never heard about it.

However, I've never suffered from depression, but the anxiety has been quite an issue for me.

I live with that and it's been a while since I accepted that I will never get rid of that. For some reason it helped me. I'm pretty much a control freak, so, of course, I wanted my anxiety to be under control, naturally - it never happened. When I accepted it, it got better, but it's still there to ruin my day completely occasionally.

me : I live with anger/depression until it became my laugh :lol:

KeepCalmLetItBe
Oct 4th, 2012, 12:45 PM
im so depressed, i like this guy and we a couple times, he was giving me positive vibes but then he's pretty much dissapeared and he wont answer my calls :(

CatTs
Oct 4th, 2012, 03:53 PM
He's a dick.

Losing Streak
Apr 20th, 2013, 06:50 PM
I don't.

Everyday, every hour, I wonder why I'm keeping myself alive. I won't kill myself though, mainly because I'm too much of a wimp, and as unbearable as being alive is to me, I'm not sure at all of what death is made of.

I feel like I'm collecting every possible anguish implied trouble: OCD, eating disorders, depression, phobia and panic.... And it's just worsening every year. I've been depressed since I was like 10 (I'm turning 24 in a couple weeks....), and I've only kept reaching new lows within th years, and discovering that there's no limit to the worse and the unberable. I've try about every fucking pill on Earth, different dosages, I've been on an intensive therapy for 4 years now, and it keeps getting worse in spite of all of that I've tried.

Now, I'm just exhausted, profoundly hopeless and lonely, feeling uncurable, like the occasional case where science fails. All my symptoms are just taking all my energy and had me basically disabled (can't even read a book anymore), and I'm so weary and desireless that I spend most of my days in bed. Thinking about how I'm gonna die without having lived, and watching people live, trying very hard not to just start sobbing endlessly.

I've try the walks in the park, forcing myself to see friends, etc. it was just effectless, didn't make me feel better at all, just even more tired than I already was. Maybe, I dunno, it was just meant to be like that, it's part of me that wants me dead.

Tomorrow, I'm trying a new medicine, a neuroleptic. My shrink had to insist for a long time to make me accept to try it, because I've alreday tried several ones, and all they did was making me feel even worse, zombiesque, suicidal (one of them even gave me milk let-down :hysteric: :help:) and I was taking minimal dosage. I have no hope about this new one, but let it be, at least my shrink will leave me alone with this shit when it fails.

Remix13
Apr 22nd, 2013, 02:25 PM
In WoT, I deal with (gun) depression by playing the awesome T29. German and Russian tanks have an horrific lack of depression. The IS-3 with BL-9 122mm gun is a beast though :armed:

CatTs
Apr 25th, 2013, 08:21 PM
I don't.

That's interesting. I've gotten a new perspective on psychological disorders since the last time I posted here. I might have something useful for your situation. Of course, it's only an assumption, no guarantees.

In WoT

:lol:

This game has become so popular.

Sammo
Apr 25th, 2013, 08:28 PM
Friends help, in summer I always get depressed cause they all fucking go on vacation and all I have is my douchebag parents.

saint2
Apr 25th, 2013, 08:55 PM
Get drunk, how else :shrug:

Cajka
Apr 25th, 2013, 10:07 PM
Friends help, in summer I always get depressed cause they all fucking go on vacation and all I have is my douchebag parents.

Welcome back. :) You haven't matured much tho. :lol: We all have some troubles with parent as teenagers, but you'll realize how priceless it is to have them around. My boyfriend was always arguing with his dad, now when his dad is gone, he just can't deal with that, he's lost completely.

Sammo
Apr 25th, 2013, 10:28 PM
Welcome back. :) You haven't matured much tho. :lol: We all have some troubles with parent as teenagers, but you'll realize how priceless it is to have them around. My boyfriend was always arguing with his dad, now when his dad is gone, he just can't deal with that, he's lost completely.

Thanks Cajka. You know these relationships when you end with your couple because they are too possessive but you still love them? That's my relationship with my parents, although I guess that when I achieve economical independence from them things will get way better, being an only child is a freaking pain because your parents don't let you breathe.

Losing Streak
Apr 25th, 2013, 11:04 PM
That's interesting. I've gotten a new perspective on psychological disorders since the last time I posted here. I might have something useful for your situation. Of course, it's only an assumption, no guarantees.

:)

Sean.
Apr 25th, 2013, 11:07 PM
lolcats always helps! :lol:

Sammo
Apr 25th, 2013, 11:10 PM
lolcats always helps! :lol:

That too, my cat gives me life :inlove:

Sean.
Apr 25th, 2013, 11:20 PM
Seriously though, the worst thing you can do is sit at home (in front of a computer) & do nothing.

Go out, be active, talk to people, do stuff, help someone else. It works for me. It's hard to actually take the first step and force yourself to do it, but you're the only one stopping you.

Are you going to let yourself beat you? Who's in control? :lol:

Nicolás89
Apr 26th, 2013, 12:10 AM
Seriously though, the worst thing you can do is sit at home (in front of a computer) & do nothing.

Go out, be active, talk to people, do stuff, help someone else. It works for me. It's hard to actually take the first step and force yourself to do it, but you're the only one stopping you.

Are you going to let yourself beat you? Who's in control? :lol:

Considering stress is the major trigger of all my depressive phases, doing nothing and playing computer games helps me.

DemWilliamsGulls
Apr 26th, 2013, 12:32 AM
PRAYING and going to Church. It has REALLY REALLY lifts my spirits, help me fight through my hard times. MUSIC that relates to what you are going through REALLY helps as well. Also, Encouraging yourself helps you get through hard times...I talk to myself all the time and it makes me fight, work hard to find a solution to the problem that makes me depressed. Working out also helps me a lot. Talking with family members/friends also really helps with depression as well because they help encourage you. Don't keep all of that negativity in you, talk to somebody about it to release it, then try to do something about it rather than feel sorry for yourself. Oh and shopping or to treating yourself helps me out too ;)

CatTs
Apr 26th, 2013, 11:59 AM
Yeah, working out does a really great deal in some cases. May be hard to believe but I speak from my experience.

The effectiveness of different advices depends on personality - whether you're an introvert or the opposite and so on. One thing will work for somebody but won't work for another. But the main thing you should do in any case is to get to know yourself better. It's a universal way indeed. There would be so much less pain in the world if people knew themselves instead of trying on someone else's skin. Look for conflicts inside your motives and resolve them. Chase your own dream, not the dream of your parents/loved one/friends/neighbors/society. The best thing you can do in your life is to be happy. If it means being lazy then be it.

But be warned, it sounds much easier than it actually is. Yet it totally worth the effort. I know for sure.

:hug:

Effy
Apr 26th, 2013, 12:29 PM
What to do if nothing helps? working out is the best way to deal with depression, but it seems to work only for a bit for me

Instead of becoming stronger with every awful experience, i destroy myself further

Effy
Apr 26th, 2013, 12:38 PM
Seriously though, the worst thing you can do is sit at home (in front of a computer) & do nothing.


that's all i want to do :sobbing:

Steven.
Apr 26th, 2013, 01:03 PM
best way to be happy is just to find/rediscover yourself and your dreams and spend time working on them, also hobbies. find something that makes u happy that doesn't depend on other people, their approval or love and stuff.

also if you're doing nothing at home, you could self pity yourself with the rest of the tumblr community, that's always fun too

CatTs
Apr 26th, 2013, 03:51 PM
that's all i want to do :sobbing:

Then do it! What's the problem? If you like it, why the hell not? Because somebody isn't agree with you?

saint2
Apr 26th, 2013, 07:07 PM
What to do if nothing helps?

Tried getting drunk ?

Effy
Apr 26th, 2013, 07:44 PM
best way to be happy is just to find/rediscover yourself and your dreams and spend time working on them, also hobbies. find something that makes u happy that doesn't depend on other people, their approval or love and stuff.

also if you're doing nothing at home, you could self pity yourself with the rest of the tumblr community, that's always fun too

tumblr :hearts:

Then do it! What's the problem? If you like it, why the hell not? Because somebody isn't agree with you?

if it was this easy :lol: but thanks anyway

Tried getting drunk ?

great advice! :lol:

tennislover
Apr 26th, 2013, 07:51 PM
1) antidepressant
+
2) psycotherapy

Gagsquet
Apr 26th, 2013, 07:52 PM
How do you know you are in depression ?

Nicolás89
Apr 26th, 2013, 09:15 PM
How do you know you are in depression ?

Google it.

Sammo
Apr 26th, 2013, 09:55 PM
How do you know you are in depression ?

Just take a test

CatTs
Apr 27th, 2013, 05:25 PM
if it was this easy :lol:

Either you do what you want and cast your precious illusions aside or you stay depressed together with other suchlike people moaning online. You choose what is more valuable to you.

Google it.

Haha, yeah...

How do you know you are in depression ?

You will just feel it with every piece of your miserable existence. :)

ExtremelyInjured
Apr 27th, 2013, 07:58 PM
Looking at Bar Refaeli pics works for me :shrug:

Mary Chain really want to :hug: you. All the best.

tennisboi
Apr 27th, 2013, 08:09 PM
I have been given 2mg of Valium by my doc to take daily for a week but they are not working :( haven't slept properly in weeks. Doctors can't help at all just medicate that makes me feel like there is no way out

Sammo
Apr 27th, 2013, 08:12 PM
I have been given 2mg of Valium by my doc to take daily for a week but they are not working :( haven't slept properly in weeks. Doctors can't help at all just medicate that makes me feel like there is no way out

Oh when I can't sleep I always take melatonin, it does wonders for me. It can get as bad as it wants that I'm never gonna take brain medication :lol: But it's pretty stable for me at the moment, I'm just a bit unmotivated and angry at myself because of lots of different stuff.

tennisboi
Apr 27th, 2013, 08:24 PM
Oh when I can't sleep I always take melatonin, it does wonders for me. It can get as bad as it wants that I'm never gonna take brain medication :lol: But it's pretty stable for me at the moment, I'm just a bit unmotivated and angry at myself because of lots of different stuff.

It's not so much a sleep issue I have been given them for panic attacks which I have been getting every day for 2 weeks now. I have been on 40mg of Fluoxetine for 4 months now and I don't feel any improvement. Doing all the things I am advised and there isn't a change. I feel firmly stuck in my depression I can't actually remember what it feels like to have a normal emotion and get up feeling happy about things

Sammo
Apr 27th, 2013, 08:55 PM
It's not so much a sleep issue I have been given them for panic attacks which I have been getting every day for 2 weeks now. I have been on 40mg of Fluoxetine for 4 months now and I don't feel any improvement. Doing all the things I am advised and there isn't a change. I feel firmly stuck in my depression I can't actually remember what it feels like to have a normal emotion and get up feeling happy about things

Oh wow, do you go to therapy?

Edit: okay if you take meds you obviously go to therapy, dumb question sorry

tennisboi
Apr 27th, 2013, 09:45 PM
Oh wow, do you go to therapy?

Edit: okay if you take meds you obviously go to therapy, dumb question sorry

Waiting to see a therapist but it takes a while. I have been to various types in the past but nobody ever seemed to want to hear me talk about the real issues, I have been told that revisiting things is not productive. Talk therapy is just a grind and exhausting. It is actually much easier to talk to other depressed people honestly.

CatTs
Apr 27th, 2013, 10:16 PM
It feels so wrong.

Nicolás89
Apr 28th, 2013, 04:30 AM
Waiting to see a therapist but it takes a while. I have been to various types in the past but nobody ever seemed to want to hear me talk about the real issues, I have been told that revisiting things is not productive. Talk therapy is just a grind and exhausting. It is actually much easier to talk to other depressed people honestly.

That's odd. Six years of psicological therapy and none of my therapists have told me that, in fact they all encourage me to go deeper and deeper on my feelings and issues.

supergrunt
Apr 28th, 2013, 08:21 AM
1. I was told that depression is rage turned inwards. Find a healthy, legal way to release your rage. Maybe you can write a letter to someone. Maybe you can write a letter to someone or something, where you say ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING that you ever wanted to say to this person or thing. Instead of sending it, burn it. You can do this several times until you feel its gone.

2. I was told that depression occurs when someone feels that they have no future. Invest in small little things that make you think about your future. I've been applying to a lot of jobs lately in NYC, which is where I want to live. Haven't heard back from any of them yet, but I do it whole-heatedly, and it makes me feel good. Always think of yourself succeeding. Obsess over the future! Write it down. Do things that you would do as if you were succeeding.

3. Realize that you have a good heart, no matter what what has happened, what someone might have done to you, your past, etc. Practice self-forgiveness. I once told my brother about how crappy I felt about my cowardice, weakness, etc. He said to me, "Oh, so you mean you're human?" Yes, I am human! It feels good to say that. You are a good person. You are human. :)

Number19
Apr 28th, 2013, 02:02 PM
2ZV-amGnyxk

Losing Streak
Apr 28th, 2013, 04:29 PM
Seriously though, the worst thing you can do is sit at home (in front of a computer) & do nothing.

Go out, be active, talk to people, do stuff, help someone else. It works for me. It's hard to actually take the first step and force yourself to do it, but you're the only one stopping you.

Are you going to let yourself beat you? Who's in control? :lol:

Ftm I can pretty sure say that Mary Chain lost to Mary Chain 1-6 0-6, yeah :p :lol:

Considering stress is the major trigger of all my depressive phases, doing nothing and playing computer games helps me.

I actually agree with this. Being on the computer helps me keep my hyperactive mind more or less under control. It helps me. I need it.

Then again, I know I should mix it up more. Balance it by going outdoors more and do whatever, yeah.

PRAYING and going to Church. It has REALLY REALLY lifts my spirits, help me fight through my hard times. MUSIC that relates to what you are going through REALLY helps as well. Also, Encouraging yourself helps you get through hard times...I talk to myself all the time and it makes me fight, work hard to find a solution to the problem that makes me depressed. Working out also helps me a lot. Talking with family members/friends also really helps with depression as well because they help encourage you. Don't keep all of that negativity in you, talk to somebody about it to release it, then try to do something about it rather than feel sorry for yourself. Oh and shopping or to treating yourself helps me out too ;)

I'm not religious at all (at least for the moment), I don't have faith in anything (maybe that's part of the depression).

Music really helps me too, it's very cathartic, when I'm sad and desperate, I listen to music that really speaks to me and what I feel deeply and it helps me cry, release some pressure and even sometimes it gives me a boost to bounce back.

I talk to myself all the time, it helps me too, I very often think aloud when I'm alone, it makes my mind clearer.

I see a shrink and talk to my mum, they're both helping me a lot in their own ways.

Yeah, working out does a really great deal in some cases. May be hard to believe but I speak from my experience.

The effectiveness of different advices depends on personality - whether you're an introvert or the opposite and so on. One thing will work for somebody but won't work for another. But the main thing you should do in any case is to get to know yourself better. It's a universal way indeed. There would be so much less pain in the world if people knew themselves instead of trying on someone else's skin. Look for conflicts inside your motives and resolve them. Chase your own dream, not the dream of your parents/loved one/friends/neighbors/society. The best thing you can do in your life is to be happy. If it means being lazy then be it.

But be warned, it sounds much easier than it actually is. Yet it totally worth the effort. I know for sure.

:hug:

:worship: I agree 100% on this. :hug:

I'm actively working on understanding better who I am, how I work, why I react to some situations the way I do, more generally why I behave the way I do, etc., I'm in a very intensive (and intense therapy), it's the most important thing to me and my shrink is an incredibly human person, but it's a very long-term work and though I know myself way better than when I started my therapy, I still haven't found a way to solve/overcome the problems I've pointed out, thus the everlasting despair :sobbing: I'm not totally losing hope though, because I feel like the right person is helping me. :)

What to do if nothing helps? working out is the best way to deal with depression, but it seems to work only for a bit for me

Instead of becoming stronger with every awful experience, i destroy myself further

I understand you, I can so relate to this :hug:

I feel like whenever I try to set up some positive things/ some positive things happen to me, I always manage to waste it all and make everything fail however, unconsciously. It's so desperating and infuriating... It's like I really do want to ruin myself and be as miserable as one can be, unconsciously. Working on it really hard with my shrink, but it's hard to work this kind of things out.

Losing Streak
Apr 28th, 2013, 04:40 PM
also if you're doing nothing at home, you could self pity yourself with the rest of the tumblr community, that's always fun too

IKR :hearts: but I got tired of it a while ago :lol: still come back every now and then for a lil moaning though :hearts:

2ZV-amGnyxk

:hysteric:

Paul though :inlove:

Losing Streak
Apr 28th, 2013, 04:53 PM
Looking at Bar Refaeli pics works for me :shrug:

Mary Chain really want to :hug: you. All the best.

:awww: :hug:

I have been given 2mg of Valium by my doc to take daily for a week but they are not working :( haven't slept properly in weeks. Doctors can't help at all just medicate that makes me feel like there is no way out

:hug: Understand how you feel. Plus, sleep deprivation just drives you crazy.

Oh when I can't sleep I always take melatonin, it does wonders for me. It can get as bad as it wants that I'm never gonna take brain medication :lol: But it's pretty stable for me at the moment, I'm just a bit unmotivated and angry at myself because of lots of different stuff.

I always have much trouble to fall asleep, and I took some for a while, it worked wonderfully on me as well. Sadly, it's not reimbursed at all by health service in France and I couldn't afford it anymore. :tears:

It's not so much a sleep issue I have been given them for panic attacks which I have been getting every day for 2 weeks now. I have been on 40mg of Fluoxetine for 4 months now and I don't feel any improvement. Doing all the things I am advised and there isn't a change. I feel firmly stuck in my depression I can't actually remember what it feels like to have a normal emotion and get up feeling happy about things

Have you tried another anti-depressant/ another anxiolytic? Sometimes you have to try several ones to find the good one. I know it's annoying and sometimes it's a long road to find the proper one, but you can find one. :)

Waiting to see a therapist but it takes a while. I have been to various types in the past but nobody ever seemed to want to hear me talk about the real issues, I have been told that revisiting things is not productive. Talk therapy is just a grind and exhausting. It is actually much easier to talk to other depressed people honestly.

Wow, you should never see anyone that gives you that impression (that they don't want to hear about your problems) or tells you stuff like 'talking is useless' ever again. Don't hesitate to try different people and change if you feel you don't hit it off well. It came take some find to find the good person, I know it's tiring but I assure you it's totally worthy. At first, it's really hard to talk about your problems, it makes you uncomfortable and you find it exhausting, but when confidence slowly installs, it's much much easier. :)

Losing Streak
Apr 28th, 2013, 04:59 PM
Thank you so much to anyone who took some time to write me a message (Cajka, Melange :hearts:) or an encouraging reputation, thanks more generally to everyone for caring and trying to help/support me (and the others). :awww: :hug: It really touched me. :hearts:

I'm letting you know that you can feel free to msg me if you feel like talking to me/ need to talk to someone.

I'm gonna keep doing what I feel is my best to start feeling better and keeping hope.
I'm also gonna try and pick up sports/physical activity again, I've been wanting to for years but let the laziness and unfitness install. I also feel it can only do me good, even if it will be terrible at the start.

Sammo
Apr 29th, 2013, 06:32 PM
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I'm a bit like this :lol: but I have a light OCPD instead of OCD, (OCD IMO is worse), I just like things to be very tidy and everything (doesn't bother me if they aren't though) and for example if I think I'm not gonna be able to do something very well then I have a lot of difficulties doing it, which is why I suffered a lot with my studies, on the other hand once you settle yourself for something you become very stubborn about it and you won't stop until you get it, I wanted to have good marks in my science bachelor's degree and I ended up with 8.34 which is okay. But I went through a lot of mental breakdowns to get those marks, now I'm doing better in college mentally-wise, I'm being possitive and I try to do the realistic goals I settle myself for everyday, instead of not doing the ridiculously high goals I settled for and panic about not doing them.

Cajka
Apr 29th, 2013, 09:57 PM
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I'm a bit like this :lol: but I have a light OCPD instead of OCD, (OCD IMO is worse), I just like things to be very tidy and everything (doesn't bother me if they aren't though) and for example if I think I'm not gonna be able to do something very well then I have a lot of difficulties doing it, which is why I suffered a lot with my studies, on the other hand once you settle yourself for something you become very stubborn about it and you won't stop until you get it, I wanted to have good marks in my science bachelor's degree and I ended up with 8.34 which is okay. But I went through a lot of mental breakdowns to get those marks, now I'm doing better in college mentally-wise, I'm being possitive and I try to do the realistic goals I settle myself for everyday, instead of not doing the ridiculously high goals I settled for and panic about not doing them.

I'm such a control freak, that's really sad. I'm a phd student and I still cry when I get 9, isn't that completely insane? Don't get me started with my sick tidiness. I clean my house literally every day, I feel like it's always too dirty. Two days ago I started yelling at my 91 yo grandpa because he made some mess. :help: My dad told me I was hysterical and insufferable. :tape: I wash my hair every single day. I need everything under control, when I feel like my heart rate is slightly high, when I feel some dizziness, I get a panic attack immediately. When it's too hot, when I'm sweating, I'm out of control. IDK, I started working in my garden, I need to feel like being all sweaty and dirty is harmless. And the fact that I'm helping my folks is making me feel much better.

Sammo
Apr 29th, 2013, 10:07 PM
Good for you :yeah: I used to be much more of a control freak before I went to cognitive-behavioral therapy for like 6 months, it's okay to admit that there are things that escape to our control (although many less than many therapist wanted me to believe IMO :o:lol:), also I argued with my mother like every 2 days and with my father like every 2 weeks and now I hardly ever do it cause my therapist helped me understand my parents' points of view better, I mean not really it's not like I didn't understand them before but I was mad because I was always the one who had to understand and of course I could never complain, so I got through a period in which everything made me angry, but my psychologist made me see that the thing wasn't about being fair to others, she basically told me that I'd live much better being empathetic towards the other people and she was right. It was super expensive though, I mean 50 fucking euros a week :lol:

By the way how do you manage to study a phd if you cry when you get a 9? I could handle that sort of stuff when I was 16 but now I just can't, I had to search for another way of taking it or otherwise I wouldn't have been able to go on with my studies, and believe me I had some really really horrible times with it and went through a lot of suffering, it's not like it just bothered me a bit.

Cajka
Apr 29th, 2013, 10:14 PM
Good for you :yeah: I used to be much more of a control freak before I went to cognitive-behavioral therapy for like 6 months, it's okay to admit that there are things that escape to our control (although many less than many therapist wanted me to believe IMO :o:lol:), also I argued with my mother like every 2 days and with my father like every 2 weeks and now I hardly ever do it cause my therapist helped me understand my parents' points of view better, I mean not really it's not like I didn't understand them before but I was mad because I was always the one who had to understand and of course I could never complain, so I got through a period in which everything made me angry, but my psychologist made me see that the thing wasn't about being fair to others, she basically told me that I'd live much better being empathetic towards the other people and she was right. It was super expensive though, I mean 50 fucking euros a week :lol:

I'm not underestimating your problem or anything, but I'd like you to understand that it's really not unusual to have problems with your parents as a teenager. I remember all those problems and they were really stressful, but it became so much different when I matured. With the time they started understanding me better, I started understanding them. It all came naturally. Of course, if those problems are making you really miserable, maybe you should all go together to those sessions, have you tried that?

Sammo
Apr 29th, 2013, 10:19 PM
I'm not underestimating your problem or anything, but I'd like you to understand that it's really not unusual to have problems with your parents as a teenager. I remember all those problems and they were really stressful, but it became so much different when I matured. With the time they started understanding me better, I started understanding them. It all came naturally. Of course, if those problems are making you really miserable, maybe you should all go together to those sessions, have you tried that?

Nah my father can be an idiot sometimes like most parents, I went to a couple of sessions with him and he seemed to understand my problems, but my mother's got this huge narcissistic disorder that really makes impossible any kind of deep relationship, which is very sad but whatever, it isn't my fault.

tennisboi
Apr 30th, 2013, 05:54 PM
Wow, you should never see anyone that gives you that impression (that they don't want to hear about your problems) or tells you stuff like 'talking is useless' ever again. Don't hesitate to try different people and change if you feel you don't hit it off well. It came take some find to find the good person, I know it's tiring but I assure you it's totally worthy. At first, it's really hard to talk about your problems, it makes you uncomfortable and you find it exhausting, but when confidence slowly installs, it's much much easier. :)

My doc changed my tablets yesterday I was formally on fluoxetine 40mg and she then changed it to venlafaxine 37.5, she also gave me different Diazepam (valium) 2mg and 5 mg depending on how I am feeling plus Lorazepam 2mg to take morning and night...I am going to see a psychiatrist on Thursday. I am just being bounced around from one doc to the next with no results. I first went to a therapist when I was 14 to deal with childhood abuse and 5 years of that didn't work. The next doc that says I don't know what to do is gonna get a black eye

Cajka
Apr 30th, 2013, 10:32 PM
My doc changed my tablets yesterday I was formally on fluoxetine 40mg and she then changed it to venlafaxine 37.5, she also gave me different Diazepam (valium) 2mg and 5 mg depending on how I am feeling plus Lorazepam 2mg to take morning and night...I am going to see a psychiatrist on Thursday. I am just being bounced around from one doc to the next with no results. I first went to a therapist when I was 14 to deal with childhood abuse and 5 years of that didn't work. The next doc that says I don't know what to do is gonna get a black eye

This, definitely. Since you decided to post in this thread, it's obvious that you have a need to talk about your problems. So, it's not like the therapist can't find the way to talk to you, you're willing to spill your guts and talk about your deepest fears and problems. Obviously, you're not the problem here, it's their job to listen and find a way to help you. Change as many therapists as it takes, but you will find the right person eventually. In the meanwhile, try to make things better on your own. I know that the word autosuggestion sounds like a joke in a very poor taste to those who deal with depression, but make that effort. Going outside, doing things, seeing people must be a huge effort and a huge pain, but one day it will get easier.

tennisboi
Apr 30th, 2013, 11:14 PM
This, definitely. Since you decided to post in this thread, it's obvious that you have a need to talk about your problems. So, it's not like the therapist can't find the way to talk to you, you're willing to spill your guts and talk about your deepest fears and problems. Obviously, you're not the problem here, it's their job to listen and find a way to help you. Change as many therapists as it takes, but you will find the right person eventually. In the meanwhile, try to make things better on your own. I know that the word autosuggestion sounds like a joke in a very poor taste to those who deal with depression, but make that effort. Going outside, doing things, seeing people must be a huge effort and a huge pain, but one day it will get easier.

I use the NHS which I think is a great institution and I respect what is stands for but everything takes a bloody age! So I have decided to use my private health care to get some intensive treatment and actually go in somewhere. Has anyone ever 'gone away' for a bit? I think that it's my only option seeing someone from week to week won't work for me been there done that. I want to get better for real this time and something a bit more intense seems to be the route I will take. Sick of the paralyzing anxiety and overwhelming despair.

Effy
Aug 14th, 2013, 01:45 PM
seems like meds don't help me much
plus i dont have a will at all, zero motivation, what the hell is wrong with me? i want to overcome all this depression but i somehow stop halfway through everything :facepalm:

Sam L
Aug 14th, 2013, 01:53 PM
I find meditation helps. You have to learn to focus your mental energies on something else.

Just Do It
Oct 16th, 2013, 10:13 PM
seems like meds don't help me much
plus i dont have a will at all, zero motivation, what the hell is wrong with me? i want to overcome all this depression but i somehow stop halfway through everything :facepalm:

Hope you are doing better :hug:

I am also going through a "black phase" at the moment, hopefully it goes away soon :sobbing: Am I a bad person for going to church only when feeling down or when sick? I am thinking of going to church tomorrow :lol:

MMJSL
Oct 16th, 2013, 10:23 PM
I was in a bad place one time too. And I know it almost sounds patronizing but if I have one advice and it's the one everybody will probably tell you, is exercise.

I'm don't know if there's a scientific explanation but it helped me.

MMJSL
Oct 16th, 2013, 10:24 PM
Also, I used to tan in a tanning bed and it felt amazing and made me feel better :oh:

Rocketta
Oct 18th, 2013, 06:12 AM
Drugs, therapy, tears, and sometimes hospitalization.

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Rocketta
Oct 18th, 2013, 06:15 AM
seems like meds don't help me much
plus i dont have a will at all, zero motivation, what the hell is wrong with me? i want to overcome all this depression but i somehow stop halfway through everything :facepalm:

You have to try many different meds if one doesn't work. It sux but there it is.

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H.O.V
Oct 19th, 2013, 01:08 AM
i Never understood how people who lives in a first nation can be '' depressed''

PatrickRyan
Oct 19th, 2013, 03:45 AM
i Never understood how people who lives in a first nation can be '' depressed''

Obviously you don't understand the mind or chemical imbalances. Some people with bad depression disorders like me can be depressed even when things are going great in their lives. It's a disease of the mind. I have found that constant therapy, medication and support from my family and friends has helped me allot. There are still times however when even that doesn't work. It's a daily process.

JCTennisFan
Oct 19th, 2013, 05:39 AM
i Never understood how people who lives in a first nation can be '' depressed''

Amazingly enough people are poor in first class nations, are alienated in first class nations, feel like they don't fit in, are homeless, feel lost, don't have direction, are stressed, etc, etc.

The World isn't so black and white........ and the "Western World" often times isn't nearly as awesome as it is thought to be.

If you had the opportunity I'd say go through an inner city American ghetto or a rural trailor park sometime..... you'd find out real fast that not everyone in the developed World lives an awesome, stress free life.

Dominic
Oct 19th, 2013, 06:00 AM
Getting a big hug from all your friends :awww:

H.O.V
Oct 19th, 2013, 06:03 AM
Amazingly enough people are poor in first class nations, are alienated in first class nations, feel like they don't fit in, are homeless, feel lost, don't have direction, are stressed, etc, etc.

The World isn't so black and white........ and the "Western World" often times isn't nearly as awesome as it is thought to be.

If you had the opportunity I'd say go through an inner city American ghetto or a rural trailor park sometime..... you'd find out real fast that not everyone in the developed World lives an awesome, stress free life.

Im from the inner city gres up in brooklyn before movin to montreal... i know everybody deal with everything differently . I just always wondered how. They are so manny people who lives really poor, with diseas, hiv ect and you see them smilling and livin life day too day while having fun. Ive never had a depression/burnout so can't talk but be interested to learn more

JCTennisFan
Oct 19th, 2013, 07:13 AM
Im from the inner city gres up in brooklyn before movin to montreal... i know everybody deal with everything differently . I just always wondered how. They are so manny people who lives really poor, with diseas, hiv ect and you see them smilling and livin life day too day while having fun. Ive never had a depression/burnout so can't talk but be interested to learn more

Presumably those people are genetically stronger than average when it comes to dealing with mental pressure. They can deal with very high levels of stress and still maintain their mental strength and not fall into depression. Those people also tend to be very religious and/or have a very strong faith which they can use as a coping mechanism to diffuse stress.

Other people are genetically predisposed to being mentally frail. It tends to take much less stress or pressure to throw them into depression or cause mental illness.

When you see someone that seemingly has it all but are depressed or are very unhappy..... those people are probably just not very capable at being able to deal with mental stress before breaking/fracturing (and/or they are good at hiding what is truely making them depressed).

It is very easy to get into the thought pattern of "Well it hasn't happened to me so it must be the same for everyone else" but that is not necessarily true.

When something comes naturally to a person (in this case mental strength) it is easy for the individual to feel perplexed when they see someone else have difficulty with it (IE chronic depression).

debby
Oct 19th, 2013, 07:18 AM
It's unfair to say depressed people are mentally weak.
I just think when it happens to you, well it happens.

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JCTennisFan
Oct 19th, 2013, 07:26 AM
It's unfair to say depressed people are mentally weak.
I just think when it happens to you, well it happens.

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Mentally frail is probably a better term honestly. And weak/frail doesn't mean insane.... it means they have a low threshold for mental stress before becoming fatigued/compromised.

Admittedly a person that is "average" when it comes to mental strength can have a period of mental breakdown too, it just requires a larger amount of pressure/distress to produce illness.

I'd say a good example of this is probably soldiers who develop PTSD after witnessing or dealing with traumatic warzone situations. Many men who come back with PTSD never had a history of mental illness beforehand.

Another way of putting this is probaby something like Depression occurs when the mental stress level exceeds the mental fortitude/coping level of the individual. The level of mental fortitude/coping level for every person is of course variable.

debby
Oct 19th, 2013, 07:46 AM
Mentally frail is probably a better term honestly. And weak/frail doesn't mean insane.... it means they have a low threshold for mental stress before becoming fatigued/compromised.

Admittedly a person that is "average" when it comes to mental strength can have a period of mental breakdown too, it just requires a larger amount of pressure/distress to produce illness.

I'd say a good example of this is probably soldiers who develop PTSD after witnessing or dealing with traumatic warzone situations. Many men who come back with PTSD never had a history of mental illness beforehand.

Another way of putting this is probaby something like Depression occurs when the mental stress level exceeds the mental fortitude/coping level of the individual. The level of mental fortitude/coping level for every person is of course variable.

I was not talking about mental illnesses.

Some stuff in life can trigger a mental illness, I believe the way you handle it shows if you are strong or not, not that if you are sick or not.

I mean, what if you get depressed after A LOT of bad stuff in your life? Does it mean you have a low threshold for mental stress? That you are "average" ? I mean, everyone deals differently with the hard times in life, like these soldiers. Some of them will deal less well with a divorce, but some others are traumatized by war. :shrug:

There's sensitivity too.

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JCTennisFan
Oct 19th, 2013, 08:02 AM
I was not talking about mental illnesses.

Depression is a mental illness IMO.... a very common and often times temporary illness but still one none the less.

Some stuff in life can trigger a mental illness, I believe the way you handle it shows if you are strong or not, not that if you are sick or not.

Splitting hairs IMO. Those who are mentally strong deal with stress better than those who are mentally more frail. A person who has a physically gifted body type will almost always be able to lift more than a person who has a physically frail body type.

Mental sickness comes in when the person has obviously gone over the threshold of what their body can mentally tolerate. If they go over the threshold it doesn't mean that they can't drop back under it with time (IE someone being depressed but the depression only being temporary).

I mean, what if you get depressed after A LOT of bad stuff in your life? Does it mean you have a low threshold for mental stress? That you are "average" ?

It means that the person went over the threshold of what their mind was able to cope with and they fell into depression. That level is obviously different for every person (The level of coping/mental fortitude).

Obviously there is not a concrete measurement for whatever level is "low", "average", or "high".

H.O.V
Oct 19th, 2013, 11:34 AM
Presumably those people are genetically stronger than average when it comes to dealing with mental pressure. They can deal with very high levels of stress and still maintain their mental strength and not fall into depression. Those people also tend to be very religious and/or have a very strong faith which they can use as a coping mechanism to diffuse stress.

Other people are genetically predisposed to being mentally frail. It tends to take much less stress or pressure to throw them into depression or cause mental illness.

When you see someone that seemingly has it all but are depressed or are very unhappy..... those people are probably just not very capable at being able to deal with mental stress before breaking/fracturing (and/or they are good at hiding what is truely making them depressed).

It is very easy to get into the thought pattern of "Well it hasn't happened to me so it must be the same for everyone else" but that is not necessarily true.

When something comes naturally to a person (in this case mental strength) it is easy for the individual to feel perplexed when they see someone else have difficulty with it (IE chronic depression).

Thank you always nice to learn something new

H.O.V
Oct 19th, 2013, 11:38 AM
But i wasn't talkin about soldiers. Just regular folks who goes into depression cuz they lost a job or they got dumped by boyfriend/girlfriend ect

Effy
Feb 1st, 2014, 03:19 PM
depression. depression. freaking depression keeps coming back out of nowhere
just leave me freaking alone, goshhhhhhhhhhhhh

Losing Streak
Feb 1st, 2014, 05:16 PM
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