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moby
Jul 1st, 2012, 03:34 AM
http://www.salon.com/2012/07/01/meet_pedophiles_who_mean_well/

Nick Devin is a happily married man in his mid-60s with four grown children. “I have advanced degrees from prestigious universities, a very good job, a lot of friends and am well-respected in my community,” he writes on his Web site. “In short, I have a very good life.”

But he’s also a pedophile. While he experiences some attraction to adult women, he only fantasizes about pubescent boys — and none of his family or friends know. He says he’s never acted on his desires, though.

Devin is the co-founder of a new organization for men like himself: Virtuous Pedophiles. “We do not choose to be attracted to children, and we cannot make that attraction go away,” reads the group’s Web site. “But we can resist the temptation to abuse children sexually, and many of us present no danger to children whatsoever.” The goal of the organization is to offer support to pedophiles who want to live virtuously and to raise public awareness about the fact that such pedophiles exist.

It’s hard to know just how many there are of these “gold-star pedophiles,” as sex columnist Dan Savage calls them. James Cantor, a clinical psychologist and editor in chief of the scientific journal “Sexual Abuse,” says, “In my clinic, roughly half of the people who commit an offense against a child is pedophilic. We do not know, however, how many pedophiles there are who never commit any offenses and never come to our attention.” That’s because very few pedophiles will voluntarily out themselves, given the stigma; and due to mandatory reporting rules, which are open to interpretation, non-offending pedophiles can reasonably fear being reported to the police...

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Novichok
Jul 1st, 2012, 03:46 AM
Interesting. I think it's brave of them (him) to come out and say that he has these attractions. Maybe this organization can help men/women who have these attractions to control their impulses so they won't abuse a child. :shrug:

Nicolás89
Jul 1st, 2012, 03:52 AM
I'm all for giving people a chance. I hope he can mantain his well behave. :yeah:

Expat
Jul 1st, 2012, 03:55 AM
Isn't pedophilia treated as a mental orientation in Greece?

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wild.river
Jul 1st, 2012, 06:25 AM
poor guy :sad:
we should also start a support group for those virtuous men who just can't help themselves from wanting to rape women all the time.
must be tough being born wanting to inflict that shit on others.

miffedmax
Jul 1st, 2012, 12:51 PM
It raises the question of where does being sexually abnormal begin and simply having taboo fantasies end. Most of us have fantasies we have no intention of acting on, so I wonder what the difference between just having fantasies and being a pedophile is in this instance.

I'm not saying there isn't a difference, I just wonder where the line is.

Sammo
Jul 1st, 2012, 01:12 PM
You gotta feel for him :(

Wigglytuff
Jul 1st, 2012, 01:49 PM
poor guy :sad:
we should also start a support group for those virtuous men who just can't help themselves from wanting to rape women all the time.
must be tough being born wanting to inflict that shit on others.

Read my mind.

Don't praise these men, what's wrong with you people?instead we should be interviewing the people around them. I do not for one minute believe these men have never acted on it.not for one second. See also: NAMBLA

I forgot to add Dan savage is a douche. He makes my skin crawl.

Wigglytuff
Jul 1st, 2012, 01:51 PM
You gotta feel for him :(

Nope, I feel bad for all the children he's molested

Sammo
Jul 1st, 2012, 01:59 PM
Nope, I feel bad for all the children he's molested

You gotta feel for him, if he has never indeed molested any children. Why are you so sure he has?

moby
Jul 1st, 2012, 02:01 PM
If we are to believe that this is a sexual orientation, and I don't see why not, then many of us who identify as gay can understand that orientation is not something that can be changed (even if there is a small degree of fluidity). If so, why should these people not deserve our sympathy?

miffedmax
Jul 1st, 2012, 03:43 PM
I'm not sure that we're talking about the same roots of orientation, though. I think that while the basic orientation is more or less hard-wired, I'm not so sure about the permutations of our orientations.

For example, I know I'm straight. But I'm not so sure that my preference for women who look like Lena D. is programmed into my genes. It's complex.

Chris 84
Jul 1st, 2012, 03:56 PM
poor guy :sad:
we should also start a support group for those virtuous men who just can't help themselves from wanting to rape women all the time.
must be tough being born wanting to inflict that shit on others.

wanting to do something (or better said, having a desire to do something) is rather different from acting on it. i'm sure billions of people have wanted to kill someone, but as long as they didn't act on it, that's "ok"

Read my mind.

Don't praise these men, what's wrong with you people?instead we should be interviewing the people around them. I do not for one minute believe these men have never acted on it.not for one second. See also: NAMBLA

I forgot to add Dan savage is a douche. He makes my skin crawl.

why? different thing of course, but how many homosexuals have gone through life without ever giving in to their desires for religious reasons or for reasons of bringing shame to themselves and their family or to avoid potential persecution? millions. naturally, my opinion on homosexuality is that it should be just as acceptable as heterosexuality, whereas sex with children is by definition wrong as a child cannot legally consent, etc, etc. however, if some people naturally feel sexual desires towards children, in the same way that homosexuals feel sexual desires to members of their own sex, then it isn't something that paedophiles can control. with that being said, surely those who "suffer from" paedophilic tendencies should be praised for not acting on their desires?

just to get this straight, i think of sex criminals as the lowest of the low. anyone who abuses children, rapes women (or men), etc deserves all that they get. that doesn't mean that people who have urges and inclinations to do certain things can't be praised for controlling themselves.

Nope, I feel bad for all the children he's molested

that is a libellous, defammatory remark, and quite frankly isn't something that you shouyld be able to go around saying, even on an internet message board.

delicatecutter
Jul 1st, 2012, 04:09 PM
It must be horrible to have those kind of feelings/attractions. :sad: I like how films like Happiness and Little Children have shown pedophiles in a more complex fashion. I do think these people should be commended for not acting on their desires. It's too bad that they are wired that way to begin with.

The Witch-king
Jul 1st, 2012, 04:11 PM
I never really thought of pedophilia as equivalent to sexual orientation cuz I doubt people are really born wanting to fuck a kid :o. As far as i know usually something traumatic happened in their lives to trigger it, so it's not something inherent or unchangeable imo. Furthermore, I don't believe pedo's go around genuinely thinking kids are sexy, rather there's an element of sadism.
Otherwise they wouldn't want to sex people that don't want to be sexed!

Mynarco
Jul 1st, 2012, 04:47 PM
I feel for him.

wild.river
Jul 1st, 2012, 05:06 PM
wanting to do something (or better said, having a desire to do something) is rather different from acting on it. i'm sure billions of people have wanted to kill someone, but as long as they didn't act on it, that's "ok"

just to get this straight, i think of sex criminals as the lowest of the low. anyone who abuses children, rapes women (or men), etc deserves all that they get. that doesn't mean that people who have urges and inclinations to do certain things can't be praised for controlling themselves.

:bs:

everyone wants to do something horrible from time to time. the desire to bang little kids is a burden you carry in private and deal with with the help of a therapist or something. glorifying their self-control is absolutely ridiculous.

maybe the next time i'm on 5th avenue and don't shoplift a really nice perfume, i'll call myself a virtuous thief and ask the stores to praise me for not doing something i really wanted to.

Novichok
Jul 1st, 2012, 07:13 PM
:bs:

everyone wants to do something horrible from time to time. the desire to bang little kids is a burden you carry in private and deal with with the help of a therapist or something. glorifying their self-control is absolutely ridiculous.

maybe the next time i'm on 5th avenue and don't shoplift a really nice perfume, i'll call myself a virtuous thief and ask the stores to praise me for not doing something i really wanted to.

It really depends on how strong those urges are. If you have VERY strong urges to steal and you don't, then I believe that is virtuous. It also depends on if you're not stealing/abusing children because you care about the consequence or because you respect those people that are going to be negatively affected. If it's the former, I believe that it is virtuous.

Mary Cherry.
Jul 1st, 2012, 07:19 PM
I don't think he should be slated considering he hasn't acted upon his desires (and I have to point out we don't know how strong his desires are and therefore how difficult he finds it to resist to temptation) but calling himself "virtuous" is a little bit of a fantasy in itself. The thoughts themselves are immoral.

Novichok
Jul 1st, 2012, 07:23 PM
I don't think he should be slated considering he hasn't acted upon his desires (and I have to point out we don't know how strong his desires are and therefore how difficult he finds it to resist to temptation) but calling himself "virtuous" is a little bit of a fantasy in itself. The thoughts themselves are immoral.

I think that we can say that some thoughts are despicable but I'm skeptical of the claim that thoughts can be immoral.

*JR*
Jul 1st, 2012, 08:13 PM
:bs:

everyone wants to do something horrible from time to time. the desire to bang little kids is a burden you carry in private and deal with with the help of a therapist or something. glorifying their self-control is absolutely ridiculous.

maybe the next time i'm on 5th avenue and don't shoplift a really nice perfume, i'll call myself a virtuous thief and ask the stores to praise me for not doing something i really wanted to.

As you know from the US political thread, I respect you far more than a couple of "conservatives who need not be named here" :tape: because you can actually write your own (cogent) stuff, and are often pragmatic in seeking solutions to societal problems. So while I agree that this group needn't be glorified, I won't mock them, and hope you and others of good intent won't either.

Its not a matter of whether pedophilia (or another human fault; like alcoholism, which leads to a lot of innocent ppl being killed in auto accidents) have a biological tendency, or just a character flaw. If groups of would-be rapists of children (and adults, BTW) plus substance abusers, thieves, arsonists, etc. are less likely to do these things as a result of joining a support group, why not? :shrug:

goat
Jul 1st, 2012, 08:18 PM
This is fucked, I assume eventually he would act out desires rather than seek a help group.

wild.river
Jul 1st, 2012, 09:33 PM
As you know from the US political thread, I respect you far more than a couple of "conservatives who need not be named here" :tape: because you can actually write your own (cogent) stuff, and are often pragmatic in seeking solutions to societal problems. So while I agree that this group needn't be glorified, I won't mock them, and hope you and others of good intent won't either.

Its not a matter of whether pedophilia (or another human fault; like alcoholism, which leads to a lot of innocent ppl being killed in auto accidents) have a biological tendency, or just a character flaw. If groups of would-be rapists of children (and adults, BTW) plus substance abusers, thieves, arsonists, etc. are less likely to do these things as a result of joining a support group, why not? :shrug:

the would-be criminals can and should privately join whatever group they want if it helps them. i just won't be the first in line to praise them for meeting the the lowest bar of acceptable social conduct.

Number19
Jul 1st, 2012, 11:40 PM
These types of attractions are not an orientation, its a disorder. A part of the brain didn't develop the way it should have. Whether it be completely biological or an act of abuse by another when they were young, and they repeat it.

Moveyourfeet
Jul 2nd, 2012, 12:58 AM
If we are to believe that this is a sexual orientation,

I had to stop here. This statement is in dire need of some serious receipts.

tennisbum79
Jul 2nd, 2012, 01:01 AM
are his neighbors aware of this?

I understand he has not acted on it. but he is a potential time bomb if he doesn't seek help and count on his will power alone to keep himself in check.

This is also a time bomb in term of political scandal,for the mayor of the town/city where he lives.

If he acts on his impulse, the mayor will have to answer his constituents why he did nothing, knowing what this gentleman has potential to temporarily lose his virtues

égalité
Jul 2nd, 2012, 01:56 AM
Oh my goddddd he has the same name as me. I can'tttttt. I almost died when I read the first sentence of this article. Fuck this. :hysteric: :hysteric: :hysteric:

delicatecutter
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:20 AM
That isn't his real name though. :p

moby
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:26 AM
I had to stop here. This statement is in dire need of some serious receipts.

http://www.good.is/post/is-pedophilia-a-sexual-orientation-a-psychologist-breaks-down-what-makes-a-jerry-sandusky?utm_content=prev-next&utm_medium=post-page-top

Dr. Vernon Quinsey, professor emeritus in the department of psychology at Queen's University, testified before Canada's parliament in February that pedophilia should be considered a sexual orientation. Though you may think he's crazy, Quinsey is not alone. A growing number of medical professionals share his view, and they think it may help society finally fashion a worthwhile response to people who prey on children.
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GOOD: You're a member of a growing group of psychologists who say pedophilia should be considered a sexual orientation. Why?

Quinsey: Part of the definition of pedophilia is a person has a preference for a particular kind of partner. We measure this in the laboratory with a method we call phallometry, which allows us to measure changes in a man’s penile tumescence in response to visual stimuli or stories. While certainly not perfect, this is probably the best way we have of measuring male sexual interest. And pedophiles, unlike other men, show substantial sexual interest in prepubescent children. As far as we know—and many people have tried—these sexual interests are not modifiable by any method that’s been tried yet. So it appears like pedophilia is a sexual orientation. Because if you think of a sexual orientation like male heterosexuality, phallometric studies will show that male heterosexuals show substantially more interest in females than males. You also can’t modify that interest; it’s stable through adulthood, just like pedophilia.

GOOD: How does one become a pedophile? Is it something that happens in the womb?

Quinsey: The short answer is we don’t know. There’s been very little genetic work done and almost no work done on intrauterine effects. We do know that the brains of pedophiles are different than those of other men. James Cantor, at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto, has shown that. His work is probably the best on these brain structure differences.

GOOD: Assuming pedophiles are hardwired this way, is it a fool’s errand to try and rehabilitate them?

Quinsey: As far as we know there is no cure for pedophilia, but people can learn to control their urges, they can avoid high-risk situations. The evidence of treatability—that is that clinicians can lower the likelihood these guys will reoffend—is controversial. If you look at the field as a whole, there is no consensus on how effective these programs are at helping these guys control their urges. From the social policy side, you have to do something. And one of the things we can do—and do quite well, in fact—is to assess the risk that pedophiles have of reoffending. And that risk varies substantially. Some guys are very likely to reoffend and some guys are not, and we can measure that. So that gives us a tool that allows us to determine what kind of supervision people might require to avoid reoffending, and how much attention we should pay to their risk.

moby
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:33 AM
Are some people seriously suggesting a Minority Report type deal, where we catch people on the basis of potentiality and thought-crimes?

Novichok
Jul 2nd, 2012, 03:41 AM
Are some people seriously suggesting a Minority Report type deal, where we catch people on the basis of potentiality and thought-crimes?

It seems that way.

*Do you think that thoughts can be considered immoral or that only actions can?

Moveyourfeet
Jul 2nd, 2012, 04:09 AM
http://www.good.is/post/is-pedophilia-a-sexual-orientation-a-psychologist-breaks-down-what-makes-a-jerry-sandusky?utm_content=prev-next&utm_medium=post-page-top
GOOD: How does one become a pedophile? Is it something that happens in the womb?

Quinsey: [B]The short answer is we don’t know.

I see no receipts.
As far as I'm concerned, if you have pedophilic urges, you are a ticking time bomb. It's easy to philosophize about it when it is an issue you are aware of from afar.
Any pedophile, who wants me to consider him 'virtuous' should sign himself up for anti-androgen/chemical castration.

Nicolás89
Jul 2nd, 2012, 04:13 AM
I see no receipts.
As far as I'm concerned, if you have pedophilic urges, you are a ticking time bomb. It's easy to philosophize about it when it is an issue you are aware of from afar.
Any pedophile, who wants me to consider him 'virtuous' should sign himself up for anti-androgen/chemical castration.

Mind backing up your statement? Let me see what receipts you can give.

Moveyourfeet
Jul 2nd, 2012, 04:24 AM
It seems that way.

*Do you think that thoughts can be considered immoral or that only actions can?

Who is the moral arbiter?
Religious people will say that thoughts can be considered immoral. The bible mentions lust as a sin.
Obviously thoughts are not against the law, and a paedophile has committed no crime by merely being aroused by children.
I believe watching/possessing child porn is a crime in the US. If a paedophile has no outlet for his sexual urges, he is a ticking time bomb, regardless of how well intentioned he is.

Moveyourfeet
Jul 2nd, 2012, 04:26 AM
Mind backing up your statement? Let me see what receipts you can give.

If you had kids (or have nephews/nieces) would you let a 'virtuous' paedophile babysit? You need to get real.

Nicolás89
Jul 2nd, 2012, 04:45 AM
If you had kids (or have nephews/nieces) would you let a 'virtuous' paedophile babysit? You need to get real.

I wouldn't let anyone who is not a close relative to babysit my kids. :shrug:

And even if I would answer your question negatively, how does that prove that pedophiles who have held their urges in their minds only are tickling bombs?

And seriously why you need to put the " " on virtous, does admitting having sexual urges with kids makes you automatically a bad person regardless of all the good things you might have done in the past? Or being a pedophile makes you a liar? You know even pedophiles who have indeed raped children were in the past (many at least) virtous pedophiles.

wild.river
Jul 2nd, 2012, 05:27 AM
I see no receipts.
As far as I'm concerned, if you have pedophilic urges, you are a ticking time bomb. It's easy to philosophize about it when it is an issue you are aware of from afar.
Any pedophile, who wants me to consider him 'virtuous' should sign himself up for anti-androgen/chemical castration.

exactly.

as for the thoughts vs actions debate: would ANYONE be okay with one of these virtuous men (or women! let's not be sexist here) touching themselves while fantasizing about your 8-yr-old child?

"a really nice man in his 40s lives next door. i know he thinks about raping my little girl, but he would never act on it. so lucky to have such a quiet and considerate neighbour."


anyway, i fully support these people getting the help they need, but i can't call them virtuous.

Kworb
Jul 2nd, 2012, 12:00 PM
Strange lack of empathy from some people here. Imagine you were born with a sexual attraction to little kids and ONLY little kids. :o It's an awful burden to bear. Those who don't act on it should indeed be commended.

tennisbum79
Jul 2nd, 2012, 12:13 PM
Strange lack of empathy from some people here. Imagine you were born with a sexual attraction to little kids and ONLY little kids. :o It's an awful burden to bear. Those who don't act on it should indeed be commended.
what is missing in the conversation so far is the lack of scientific research results.

What is the percentage of people with this urge who act upon it?

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2012, 04:17 AM
You gotta feel for him, if he has never indeed molested any children. Why are you so sure he has?

NAMBLA started the same way, they swore they had never hurt children. And well. We know what happened there

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2012, 04:22 AM
If we are to believe that this is a sexual orientation, and I don't see why not, then many of us who identify as gay can understand that orientation is not something that can be changed (even if there is a small degree of fluidity). If so, why should these people not deserve our sympathy?

Oh hell no. There is a world of difference between two (or 6) consenting adults having sex, and someone raping a 3 year old! it's not the same thing and they have nothing NOTHING to do with each other. At all. That's the kind of argument that people use to deny gays marriage rights. It's dead wrong.

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2012, 04:30 AM
Strange lack of empathy from some people here. Imagine you were born with a sexual attraction to little kids and ONLY little kids. :o It's an awful burden to bear. Those who don't act on it should indeed be commended.

No. That's not how it works. Child rape is not about attraction it's about control, power, destructing and abuse. this statement is like saying "strange lack of empathy from some people here. Imagine if you are like hilter born with edge to kill Jews we should commend all those neo nazis who have never killed a Jew" yeah that's what it sounds like.

I am shocked that so many of you are willing to side with the Sanduskys of the world. It's no wonder all those children told people and had what happened to them. It's a such a gross lack of empathy for the VICTIMS.

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2012, 04:33 AM
what is missing in the conversation so far is the lack of scientific research results.

What is the percentage of people with this urge who act upon it?

There is actually a lot of research on offenders, and how often they offend and re offend. They almost always molest not one or two kids but tens or hundreds, re offending again and again until they die or are caught. That's why we have things like Megan's Law.

azdaja
Jul 3rd, 2012, 08:52 AM
what is missing in the conversation so far is the lack of scientific research results.
see the post #29. and we don't know how many people act on these desires because those who don't won't even admit they have them and you can see in reactions in this thread why.

i can't be bothered to find the article i read many years ago but it was basically in the context of defending gay people.

you see, some anti-gay people say that gay men are something like 10 times as likely to sexually abuse a child. this is based on the disproportionate number of boys among sexually abused children. if we accept that paedophilia is a sexual orientation, however, it's obvious that you are attracted to either postpubescent or prepubescent people and in both cases to either males and females. gay men are attracted to postpubescent men and not to little boys.

i think the the most likely explanation for paedophilia is that it is indeed hardwired. people who are born with that kind of sexuality need to learn to control their desires and if there are any therapies they should concentrate on that rather than on trying to make those desires dissappear. but there are also people who are capable of controlling their desires on their own.

stevos
Jul 3rd, 2012, 04:35 PM
Oh my goddddd he has the same name as me. I can'tttttt. I almost died when I read the first sentence of this article. Fuck this. :hysteric: :hysteric: :hysteric:

When I read that I jumped!

Sammo
Jul 3rd, 2012, 06:04 PM
To be honest, yes I feel sorry for him and I think that what he and the people of his condition are doing is commendable and blah blah blah, but I wouldn't let my children near people like him in a million years. Would anybody here?

Nicolás89
Jul 3rd, 2012, 07:19 PM
NAMBLA started the same way, they swore they had never hurt children. And well. We know what happened there

Oh hell no. There is a world of difference between two (or 6) consenting adults having sex, and someone raping a 3 year old! it's not the same thing and they have nothing NOTHING to do with each other. At all. That's the kind of argument that people use to deny gays marriage rights. It's dead wrong.

No. That's not how it works. Child rape is not about attraction it's about control, power, destructing and abuse. this statement is like saying "strange lack of empathy from some people here. Imagine if you are like hilter born with edge to kill Jews we should commend all those neo nazis who have never killed a Jew" yeah that's what it sounds like.

I am shocked that so many of you are willing to side with the Sanduskys of the world. It's no wonder all those children told people and had what happened to them. It's a such a gross lack of empathy for the VICTIMS.

There is actually a lot of research on offenders, and how often they offend and re offend. They almost always molest not one or two kids but tens or hundreds, re offending again and again until they die or are caught. That's why we have things like Megan's Law.
:facepalm:

Some people...can't believe they try to identify themselves as free minders yet are trapped in preconceived ideas & prejudices that are not even scientifically fundamented by any serious research.

Give people a chance at least, like god. :facepalm:

Ryan
Jul 3rd, 2012, 07:31 PM
To be honest, yes I feel sorry for him and I think that what he and the people of his condition are doing is commendable and blah blah blah, but I wouldn't let my children near people like him in a million years. Would anybody here?

Pretty much this. I don't know if I'd say its "commendable" that they're not acting on their urges - it's good, and right of them NOT to, but I'd need to read more about it (thanks for the Parliament interview link btw moby) before I could say commendable.

I do think its interesting that the people who say this isn't a sexual orientation, don't have any explanation for why these men are "outing" themselves as pedophiles. If its a choice, obviously a disgusting one, why put yourself in the spotlight where it would be harder to act on it? I'm going to hope that they're telling the truth and haven't done anything wrong.

kwilliams
Jul 3rd, 2012, 08:01 PM
I think these people do deserve some degree of credit for their restraint. I'm sure there are few of us who have suppressed our most fundamental sexual feelings. I would imagine it takes a great deal of self control. At the very least, although they can be compared to offending paedophiles they should not be equated with them.

There are so many child abusers who groom, manipulate, coerce, threaten, physically abuse, torture and even kill their victims in addition to sexually abusing them. Some paedophiles delude themselves into believing they are doing nothing wrong, that the acts are consensual and that some bond or even "love" exists between themselves and their victims. Some paedophiles are deranged, violent and completely self-interested. Most are probably some combination of the two. All of "these types" of paedophiles ultimately show no regard for the well-being of their victims. At least these non-offending paedophiles have enough decency to realise how horrific these actions are.

Some people have raised the point that just because this man, Nevin, hasn't abused a child before, that doesn't mean he never will. However, I think most people would admit that the odds are fairly low. This man is in his sixties. Presumably he has been controlling his urges very well for decades. I don't see why he would lose control at his age when most people have greater self control in their later years, especially if they have been working on issues for a long time. Also, his sexual appetites are probably/possibly diminishing by the year. Another reason why he should be able to remain in control. He also seems to have a lot to lose, particularly at risk would be his relationships with his adult children and his grandchildren, if he has any. By setting up this group, he has also shown not only a conscious effort to safeguard his own level of control but also to help other paedophiles keep control. This is a good thing. Ask yourself, would you rather have more paedophiles like this guy or more of the kind who physically and sexually abuse children? It would be my hope that by exhibiting some tolerance towards this man and his group, that more paedophiles could feel safe enough to come forward and get help controlling themselves, whether that's counselling, medication or other methods Of course, there will always be paedophiles who commit the most heinous of crimes but I hope in the future there can at least be a few more ones like this guy.

I think it's understandable to be repulsed by any kind of paedophile but it's better for society if we try to encourage more to act like this man and to even help them to do so.

Wigglytuff
Jul 10th, 2012, 12:16 AM
:facepalm:

Some people...can't believe they try to identify themselves as free minders yet are trapped in preconceived ideas & prejudices that are not even scientifically fundamented by any serious research.

Give people a chance at least, like god. :facepalm:

I know how dare I stand up for children who have been abused. I'm so closed minded. And if that's what it takes to stand up for them, I'll be that. :wavey:

Nicolás89
Jul 10th, 2012, 12:21 AM
I know how dare I stand up for children who have been abused. I'm so closed minded. And if that's what it takes to stand up for them, I'll be that. :wavey:

You're not doing that because in this case there's no child abused.

Mary Cherry.
Jul 10th, 2012, 12:22 AM
Why has nobody mentioned Petra yet?

Why haven't I mentioned Petra yet?

Wigglytuff
Jul 10th, 2012, 12:23 AM
Pretty much this. I don't know if I'd say its "commendable" that they're not acting on their urges - it's good, and right of them NOT to, but I'd need to read more about it (thanks for the Parliament interview link btw moby) before I could say commendable.

"I do think its interesting that the people who say this isn't a sexual orientation, don't have any explanation for why these men are "outing" themselves as pedophiles. If its a choice, obviously a disgusting one, why put yourself in the spotlight where it would be harder to act on it? I'm going to hope that they're telling the truth and haven't done anything wrong".


Attacking children is not an orientation, netheir is killing Jews, nor is serial murder, nor is setting houses on fire. It's completely without any foundation in science or research to claim that it is.

As for why people are talking about it? The same reason Charles Manson did, the same reason neo nazi's write books, the same reason pyromaniacs talk about it. But the notion that if you talk about something that means you have no personal responsiblity is just plain illogical.

Wigglytuff
Jul 10th, 2012, 12:27 AM
You're not doing that because in this case there's no child abused.

S let me get this straight someone who admits to being sexually attracted to children says they never abused children and you believe that and attack anyone who is concerned about abused children?

Again if it means I'm closed minded for standing on the side of children and not believing every pedophile who says, " trust me, I've never touched a child in my life" I'll take that and wear it as badge of honor, proudly. :wavey:

Nicolás89
Jul 10th, 2012, 12:32 AM
S let me get this straight someone who admits to being sexually attracted to children says they never abused children and you believe that and attack anyone who is concerned about abused children?

Again if it means I'm closed minded for standing on the side of children and not believing every pedophile who says, " trust me, I've never touched a child in my life" I'll take that and wear it as badge of honor, proudly. :wavey:

Yea I'm attacking you.
I don't know why I even bother with this, discussing any subject with you is pointless anyway you're not good on seeing other's POV. Not in the mood today.

Williamsser
Jul 10th, 2012, 12:25 PM
The responses in the article and in this thread prove that homosexuals condone pedophilia.

Sammo
Jul 10th, 2012, 12:34 PM
The responses in the article and in this thread prove that homosexuals condone pedophilia.

Who condones pedophilia?