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JoPova
Jun 25th, 2012, 09:36 PM
During the clay season, I saw a thread about Maria's best matches on clay. So now, since Wimbledon 2012 has started, I though it would be fitting to have a thread discussing Maria's best matches on grass! What do you think is her finest performance on grass? I'm not adding a poll, so that maybe in the future more matches will be added! ;)

dsanders06
Jun 25th, 2012, 09:59 PM
Tbh, there've been surprisingly few great grass matches from her ever since she won in 2004 :lol: The only match I can think of apart from her matches in '04 is her win over Dementieva in the Wimby QFs in '06, her level of domination in that match was scary - even the streaker that ran across the court in the middle of the match had more of an impact on the match than Dementieva.

Charlatan
Jun 25th, 2012, 10:09 PM
1. SF against Davenport and F against Serena in 2004 obviously
2. QF against Petrova in 05
3. 4R against Serena in 10 (although she lost it, best she served since the comeback)
4. 4R against Pennetta in 06 (despite her lengthy height and developed limbs, she played solid in that match and flavia ain't no slouch back then)
But yeah, since then, there aren't many great quality tennis she produced on grass lately
Still I'd say
5. 4R against Peng 2011

JoPova
Jun 25th, 2012, 10:09 PM
even the streaker that ran across the court in the middle of the match had more of an impact on the match than Dementieva.

:lol:

I agree that her best matches on grass are probably in her 2004 run to the title! Grass rewards instinct and fearlessness and Maria has never embodied these characteristics at Wimbledon better than in 2004!

dsanders06
Jun 25th, 2012, 10:15 PM
1. SF against Davenport and F against Serena in 2004 obviously
2. QF against Petrova in 05
3. 4R against Serena in 10 (although she lost it, best she served since the comeback)
4. 4R against Pennetta in 06 (despite her lengthy height and developed limbs, she played solid in that match and flavia ain't no slouch back then)
But yeah, since then, there aren't many great quality tennis she produced on grass lately
Still I'd say
5. 4R against Peng 2011

I actually think her best match in terms of her play off the ground at last year's tournament was the semifinal against Lisicki - her diabolical serving in that match overshadowed everything else, but she was returning, striking the ball and moving in rallies about as well as at any time last year - I remember she barely made any groundstroke errors in that match after the first few games, she was getting some of Lisicki's biggest rocket-serves back into play, she hit atleast 3 GOATly forehands on the run. In fact, it's a testament to how well she did most things in that match that she managed to win so comfortably in spite of giving away an average of 2 free points every service game.

JoPova
Jun 25th, 2012, 10:21 PM
I actually think her best match in terms of her play off the ground at last year's tournament was the semifinal against Lisicki - her diabolical serving in that match overshadowed everything else, but she was returning, striking the ball and moving in rallies about as well as at any time last year - I remember she barely made any groundstroke errors in that match after the first few games, she was getting some of Lisicki's biggest rocket-serves back into play, she hit atleast 3 GOATly forehands on the run. In fact, it's a testament to how well she did most things in that match that she managed to win so comfortably in spite of giving away an average of 2 free points every service game.

I totally erased that match from my memory because of her awful serving performance! :lol: I think that she displayed solid tennis in her match against Cibulkova too, but the match with Peng was probably her best!

Charlatan
Jun 25th, 2012, 10:23 PM
I actually think her best match in terms of her play off the ground at last year's tournament was the semifinal against Lisicki - her diabolical serving in that match overshadowed everything else, but she was returning, striking the ball and moving in rallies about as well as at any time last year - I remember she barely made any groundstroke errors in that match after the first few games, she was getting some of Lisicki's biggest rocket-serves back into play, she hit atleast 3 GOATly forehands on the run. In fact, it's a testament to how well she did most things in that match that she managed to win so comfortably in spite of giving away an average of 2 free points every service game.

nice points...so what do you think about her overall level of play in the final last year?

i was rewatching her final against kvitova two days ago...she didn't play as bad as people made it out to be, bar the serving and ugly double faults, of course...kvitova was in the zone that day and her classic lefty serve out wide and the inside out forehands saved her ass...i was just thinking she could have even won the 2nd set if not for some of the bold winners from kvitova at bps and gps (you know those winners that touched the line and could have easily gone out if kvitova wasn't at the absolute peak like she is now)

anyway, all of these things in retrospect is raising my expectations from her this year too :lol: i never learn

JoPova
Jun 25th, 2012, 10:28 PM
nice points...so what do you think about her overall level of play in the final last year?

i was rewatching her final against kvitova two days ago...she didn't play as bad as people made it out to be, bar the serving and ugly double faults, of course...kvitova was in the zone that day and her classic lefty serve out wide and the inside out forehands saved her ass...i was just thinking she could have even won the 2nd set if not for some of the bold winners from kvitova at bps and gps (you know those winners that touched the line and could have easily gone out if kvitova wasn't at the absolute peak like she is now)

anyway, all of these things in retrospect is raising my expectations for her this year too :lol: i never learn

I've watched it again rather recently too! Her serving was horrible! She was having one of those days where she has serious issues in finding the court with her serve. That's why she decided to kick her first serve in so much. As a result, Kvitova most of the time was smacking ROS winners! Her ground game wasn't exceptional, but not bad. If she could serve, the match would've been a lot tougher. It has to be said though that Kvitova's serve was monstrous! Maria was having a hard time returning her slice, which stayed extremely low and opened the court for Petra so well.

Charlatan
Jun 25th, 2012, 10:38 PM
I've watched it again rather recently too! Her serving was horrible! She was having one of those days where she has serious issues in finding the court with her serve. That's why she decided to kick her first serve in so much. As a result, Kvitova most of the time was smacking ROS winners! Her ground game wasn't exceptional, but not bad. If she could serve, the match would've been a lot tougher. It has to be said though that Kvitova's serve was monstrous! Maria was having a hard time returning her slice, which stayed extremely low and opened the court for Petra so well.

Agree! But I believe she will read kvitova's serves better if they are to meet on grass again

Even if she was struggling returning those lefty slice serves that day, she returned some of the balls with great depth and angle

JoPova
Jun 25th, 2012, 10:44 PM
Agree! But I believe she will read kvitova's serves better if they are to meet on grass again

Even if she was struggling returning those lefty slice serves that day, she returned some of the balls with great depth and angle

The fact that Maria's BH CC is her best asset helps a lot, but on that day Petra was just incredible and was able to hit a few winners with her FH DTL painting the lines! Hoepfully they'll get to meet again this year and Maria will be able to turn the result arounf this time!

Stonerpova
Jun 26th, 2012, 06:19 AM
The 04 semi. She was scary good the second half of the match. The 04 QF against Sugiyama also deserves a mention.

Rerun
Jun 26th, 2012, 10:33 AM
after 04 none :lol: its like after that Wimbly she has not been a good grass player :lol:

Andy.
Jun 26th, 2012, 12:33 PM
Her 2004 match v Hantuchova

Cosmic Voices
Jun 26th, 2012, 01:06 PM
Im surprised noone said her match with Venus, the bitchfest that was :eek:

Stonerpova
Jun 26th, 2012, 07:00 PM
Im surprised noone said her match with Venus, the bitchfest that was :eek:

Was literally just about to mention. Also her 03 victory over Dokic was hella impressive too.

doomsday
Jun 26th, 2012, 08:06 PM
The 04 semi. She was scary good the second half of the match. The 04 QF against Sugiyama also deserves a mention.

Agree and the last set lasted 10 minutes or sth, it was scary good.

dsanders06
Jun 26th, 2012, 10:52 PM
Why is no-one mentioning her loss to GOAT Jamea Jackson in Birmingham in 2006? :shrug:


:p

dsanders06
Jun 26th, 2012, 10:59 PM
nice points...so what do you think about her overall level of play in the final last year?

i was rewatching her final against kvitova two days ago...she didn't play as bad as people made it out to be, bar the serving and ugly double faults, of course...kvitova was in the zone that day and her classic lefty serve out wide and the inside out forehands saved her ass...i was just thinking she could have even won the 2nd set if not for some of the bold winners from kvitova at bps and gps (you know those winners that touched the line and could have easily gone out if kvitova wasn't at the absolute peak like she is now)

anyway, all of these things in retrospect is raising my expectations from her this year too :lol: i never learn

I agree with most of this. I've always thought Maria played pretty solidly in last year's Wimbledon final - maybe a bit too passive at times and gave Petra a few too many soft balls to tee off on, but it's not like she donated a boatload of errors, and in fairness Petra was really in the zone. Plus, people always say Maria got "stagefright" or "choked" in both her finals at Wimby last year and the AO this year - while that's true for the AO, at Wimbledon she was really totally engaged mentally, she was really fighting and kept clawing back breaks on willpower alone in the second set and was getting properly pumped up.

Yeah, another thing is people always say Maria only got to the final at Wimbledon last year because of a "cakewalk draw", which implies that she would have lost in the 3rd or 4th round or something if she'd gotten a "tougher draw" - but honestly, I don't think anyone apart from Kvitova and I guess Azarenka would've beaten Maria at last year's Wimbledon if they played her :shrug: I mean, even though Maria was still some way off her best at last year's Wimbledon, who apart from those two would've been good enough to stop her? Venus obviously wasn't in condition too. Serena was a MESS at that tournament, barely getting past Halep and Rezai, it was only when she had a few weeks of solid training before Stanford that she got her game back to a semi-respectable level. So who would've stopped Maria getting to the latter stages? Bartoli? WOZNIACKI? :lol: It might've been a sign that the women's game was weak at that point that Maria was one of the best even while not playing close to her best, but that's not the same as having an easy draw, because whoever you put across the net from Maria at that point in time, most of them would've lost.

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 26th, 2012, 11:09 PM
Maria's best match on grass in my opinion is the match she played against Sygiama at Wimbledon 2004, that match had everything :worship:.

swissmr
Jun 27th, 2012, 12:24 PM
I don't think Maria has played a great match on grass for quite a few years. I think, after her growth spurt in 2006, she really struggles to move on this surface compared to others.

JoPova
Aug 4th, 2012, 06:31 PM
Any new additions after the Olympics? I was able to watch only her match against Lisicki and the final! :hysteric: