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TimeyWimey
Jun 7th, 2012, 09:37 PM
Wimbledon is just two weeks away :)

PetraReeMona
Jun 7th, 2012, 10:01 PM
I can't :sobbing:

I'm worn out from the clay season. I can't take anymore heartache :lol:

flyingmachine
Jun 7th, 2012, 10:19 PM
We know our Petra loves the green green grass of Wimbledon so can't wait. :drool:

ArcticMoose
Jun 8th, 2012, 03:22 PM
:tennis:For International Fans wanting to see Kvitty:angel: play (live) at the Olympics on her favourite surface and wondering if tickets are still available Yes!

Here are a couple of the website links :


http://www.sportticketexchange.com/olympic-venues/wimbledon-centre-court-olympic-tickets.asp


http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/3500487499C487E0?majorcatid=10004&artistid=1707868&minorcatid=102


The lottery is knowing on which day she plays !! Good Luck!:D

18majors
Jun 8th, 2012, 05:47 PM
Go Petra!

PetraReeMona
Jun 8th, 2012, 06:44 PM
:tennis:For International Fans wanting to see Kvitty:angel: play (live) at the Olympics on her favourite surface and wondering if tickets are still available Yes!

Here are a couple of the website links :


http://www.sportticketexchange.com/olympic-venues/wimbledon-centre-court-olympic-tickets.asp


http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/event/3500487499C487E0?majorcatid=10004&artistid=1707868&minorcatid=102


The lottery is knowing on which day she plays !! Good Luck!:D

500 a ticket :eek::eek::eek:

That's daylight robbery.

Thank goodness I'm going to Eastbourne to see her .... it's much more reasonable :bounce:

18majors
Jun 8th, 2012, 07:21 PM
500 a ticket :eek::eek::eek:

That's daylight robbery.

Thank goodness I'm going to Eastbourne to see her .... it's much more reasonable :bounce:

Is the round trip air (or train) ticket price from Czech to the UK reasonable?

PetraReeMona
Jun 8th, 2012, 09:36 PM
Is the round trip air (or train) ticket price from Czech to the UK reasonable?

I live in London so I wouldn't know. I just have a Czech flag because of Petra :)

flyingmachine
Jun 9th, 2012, 08:27 AM
Thank goodness I'm going to Eastbourne to see her .... it's much more reasonable :bounce:

I'm jealous now. :bigcry:

18majors
Jun 9th, 2012, 01:00 PM
Eastbourne can't come soon enough.

bruce goose
Jun 9th, 2012, 01:38 PM
Glad to see our OP rank the Olympics equal to a 'Slam' as it is at least that important if not MORE.Given Petra's passion to succeed in FC,I'd be very,very surprised if she didn't have intense motivation for the London Games

Excelscior
Jun 9th, 2012, 02:51 PM
So I'm guessing (with out looking it up) Eastbourne starts Monday guys?

TimeyWimey
Jun 9th, 2012, 02:56 PM
^June 18th

Excelscior
Jun 9th, 2012, 03:37 PM
OK. A week from now. So she gets to both rest and practice on it.

Thanks

Barktra
Jun 9th, 2012, 03:49 PM
Let's get it Petra :cheer: I am going to try and post on here more now because I can never go into gm again

Barktra
Jun 9th, 2012, 03:50 PM
Sharapova fans really overate her Wimbledon victory because she was 17. Hingis won Wimbledon at 16 and people don't proclaim it every chance they get like sharapova

Bump

Petronius
Jun 9th, 2012, 06:33 PM
Probably the most exciting part of the season for Petra's fans, two Wimbledon tournaments in a row.

18majors
Jun 9th, 2012, 08:00 PM
Probably the most exciting part of the season for Petra's fans, two Wimbledon tournaments in a row.

We'll learn a lot about Petra in the next 2-3 months, ideally Petra should win at least 2 of the three tournaments (Eastbourne, Wimbledon and OG).

Synth
Jun 9th, 2012, 08:23 PM
I'm super pumped for this season! I agree about not venturing into gm too often. I love Maria, but some her fans are headache inducing. I've lost count of the number of people I've added to the ignore list in the last few days.

naranka
Jun 9th, 2012, 08:38 PM
I'm super pumped for this season! I agree about not venturing into gm too often. I love Maria, but some her fans are headache inducing. I've lost count of the number of people I've added to the ignore list in the last few days.

Seriously. GM now unreadable, glutted with fawning fanboy crap and endless, pointless Sharapova polls like, "Who has better bowel movements - Maria or Legend?"

Ugh.

Petronius
Jun 9th, 2012, 09:20 PM
"Who has better bowel movements - Maria or Legend?" Ugh.

Funny. :lol:

BTW, one of the current hot topics is "Sharapova's red underwear" Is this still a tennis forum?

plokploky
Jun 9th, 2012, 09:42 PM
*subscribing*

I'm not expecting much, cause every other time I do that, she fails. So now, I wait for her to lose:sobbing:

Valanga
Jun 9th, 2012, 11:29 PM
I hope Petra will show up on Tuesday when I go to Eastbourne. A pic, and an autograph are a must :inlove:

PetraReeMona
Jun 9th, 2012, 11:57 PM
I'm super pumped for this season! I agree about not venturing into gm too often. I love Maria, but some her fans are headache inducing. I've lost count of the number of people I've added to the ignore list in the last few days.

Snap!

I knew it was going to be like this.... in fact I this most non-cheaterpova fans knew :lol:

I have loads on ignore, but at least Queenpova is banned now ;)

PetraReeMona
Jun 9th, 2012, 11:58 PM
Seriously. GM now unreadable, glutted with fawning fanboy crap and endless, pointless Sharapova polls like, "Who has better bowel movements - Maria or Legend?"

Ugh.

:lol::lol::lol:

Yeah, they do talk "shit" don't they? :devil:


Ok, ok, I'll get my coat :bolt:

PetraReeMona
Jun 10th, 2012, 12:00 AM
I hope Petra will show up on Tuesday when I go to Eastbourne. A pic, and an autograph are a must :inlove:

I'm going Wednesday .... shame, we could have met up for an ice cream by court 2. :sad:

steni
Jun 10th, 2012, 01:03 AM
I live in London so I wouldn't know. I just have a Czech flag because of Petra :)

Aww you are so lucky!

bruce goose
Jun 10th, 2012, 04:31 AM
Psychologically,Petra ought to be reasonably okay after making a Slam semi on her trickiest surface...and now moving on to her first highly successful Slam site

ArcticMoose
Jun 10th, 2012, 05:26 AM
We'll learn a lot about Petra in the next 2-3 months, ideally Petra should win at least 2 of the three tournaments (Eastbourne, Wimbledon and OG).
:)Id rather see her win the Olympic Gold Medal:angel: & a final four finish at Wimby. This is her best chance to scoop the OG medal which most athletes work their tails off to achieve in their careers. Besides she has already proved herself at the most important Grand slam of the tennis tour. (Health warning : this is only a personal view so please don't send a swat team after my scalp!):D

:pOn a side note : If Kvitty wins she will deny pova the OG medal ;) as Pova is now chasing this after doing the career slam on the tennis tour what a life giving gift from Kvitty to all her fans!!:hearts:

18majors
Jun 10th, 2012, 02:27 PM
:)Id rather see her win the Olympic Gold Medal:angel: & a final four finish at Wimby. This is her best chance to scoop the OG medal which most athletes work their tails off to achieve in their careers. Besides she has already proved herself at the most important Grand slam of the tennis tour. (Health warning : this is only a personal view so please don't send a swat team after my scalp!):D

:pOn a side note : If Kvitty wins she will deny pova the OG medal ;) as Pova is now chasing this after doing the career slam on the tennis tour what a life giving gift from Kvitty to all her fans!!:hearts:

I'm a fan of both Petra and Maria, my hopes are that they keep Wimbledon and OG titles between the two of them.

Excelscior
Jun 10th, 2012, 05:34 PM
I'm a fan of both Petra and Maria, my hopes are that they keep Wimbledon and OG titles between the two of them.

Well, I think what most people don't realize is (knock on woood), you can have a situation where Vika wins 4 titles during the hardcourt season with a major; Sharapova wins 3 clay titles with a major; and Petra could win 3 grass court titles, with a major and Olympic Gold, the first 8mos of the year.

So you DO WANT Petra to win both WIMBY and THE OLYMPICS, cause if she does; not only will she have had a great year, but she would be in the running for Player Of The Year (as a matter of fact, based that scenario by the Olympics, it would be between Petra and Maria, and not the fading Vika). Petra can make the next two months HER SEASON, as Vika and Sharapova made the hardcourt and clay season theirs.

And Remember, Petra could still pick up some indoor titles, Tokyo (a fast outdoor hardcourt where she made the semi's last year), and the indoor YEC championship.

So the years not over for Petra yet by a long shot. Up until now, a different player (or two different players if you include Errani) has dominated each part of the WTA tennis season. Petra can be the next. And from that point on, anything can happen/the gloves are off. :lol: :eek: :lol: I hope Petra and her people realize this?

As far as GM. I usually congratulate the opponent, and give my overview of a Petra match, no matter how bad I felt about the loss. But not this time. Maria's blatant cheating wouldn't allow me to say anything nice about her. So I decided stay away altogether, if I have nothing good to say, like the old saying (and not be perceived as a out of touch whiner). But I was fine and accepted the loss as it happened.

No Biggie. Onward!!

18majors
Jun 10th, 2012, 06:31 PM
Well, I think what most people don't realize is (knock on woood), you can have a situation where Vika wins 4 titles during the hardcourt season with a major; Sharapova wins 3 clay titles with a major; and Petra could win 3 grass court titles, with a major and Olympic Gold, the first 8mos of the year.

So you DO WANT Petra to win both WIMBY and THE OLYMPICS, cause if she does; not only will she have had a great year, but she would be in the running for Player Of The Year (as a matter of fact, based that scenario by the Olympics, it would be between Petra and Maria, and not the fading Vika). Petra can make the next two months HER SEASON, as Vika and Sharapova made the hardcourt and clay season theirs.

And Remember, Petra could still pick up some indoor titles, Tokyo (a fast outdoor hardcourt where she made the semi's last year), and the indoor YEC championship.

So the years not over for Petra yet by a long shot. Up until now, a different player (or two different players if you include Errani) has dominated each part of the WTA tennis season. Petra can be the next. And from that point on, anything can happen/the gloves are off. :lol: :eek: :lol: I hope Petra and her people realize this?

As far as GM. I usually congratulate the opponent, and give my overview of a Petra match, no matter how bad I felt about the loss. But not this time. Maria's blatant cheating wouldn't allow me to say anything nice about her. So I decided stay away altogether, if I have nothing good to say, like the old saying (and not be perceived as a out of touch whiner). But I was fine and accepted the loss as it happened.

No Biggie. Onward!!

Hope either Petra or Maria will take out Serena before the final.

bruce goose
Jun 11th, 2012, 04:30 AM
I'm a fan of both Petra and Maria, my hopes are that they keep Wimbledon and OG titles between the two of them.Haven't ever disliked Maria but haven't ever been a fan,per se,either...other than as a general admirer of how she bounced back from serious shoulder surgery.Obviously,there's no conflict for me when Petra faces the RG champ and,like others here,I can envision the benefit to women's tennis if Petra faces the Siberian gal in lots of major event finals or later rounds of action...On an off-topic note,I could think of some creative ways for the tall blondes to settle their differences:devil::hearts:,but those might not appeal to everyone here so we'll keep focused on tennis:angel:

ArcticMoose
Jun 11th, 2012, 04:46 AM
I'm going Wednesday .... shame, we could have met up for an ice cream by court 2. :sad:
:D

Could we have/expect some photos* or even a vid clip for the sub-forum from your day at Eastbourne please…even a blog or commentary would be a nice touch about your day watching Kvitty:lick:…

:secret: *PS: Our very own kvitty sub-forum photo bureau manager ‘paulmara’:p tends to 'specialise/deal/procure/dabble' in the very large size ;)kvitty photos … so you would not be treading on his toes by any means by posting some nice kvitty shots….

:secret:Incase you are after autographs – then look no further than the sub-forum’s ‘guru’ Queen Petra Fan :Dfor tips, a well-known face to Kvitty’s Security team - an expert in tailing Kvitty; whose exploits are well catalogued in a few threads here…..:p

Petronius
Jun 11th, 2012, 07:47 AM
Hope either Petra or Maria will take out Serena before the final.

To be honest, I can easily imagine Serena beating both Petra and Maria in a row. She is FAR from done. If her serves and returns are clicking, beware!

18majors
Jun 11th, 2012, 08:03 AM
To be honest, I can easily imagine Serena beating both Petra and Maria in a row. She is FAR from done. If her serves and returns are clicking, beware!

Yes, you're right, Serena will be almost impossible to beat if she plays as if it's 2010 Wimbledon all over again.

But for some reasons, it's more mental than physical, the 2012 Serena is clearly not as invincible. Either Petra or Maria will have a chance if they step up.

Excelscior
Jun 11th, 2012, 11:08 AM
To be honest, I can easily imagine Serena beating both Petra and Maria in a row. She is FAR from done. If her serves and returns are clicking, beware!

Mmmmh.

Considering the 2010 Serena was down in the first set 4-2, before winning it in a tiebreak, and lost the ground battle, in the second set and overall in a match she won against a green, young Petra , I wouldn't be so sure.

Serena didn't return well in that match either (and or she just couldn't handle Petra's serve, especially the 2nd).

I remember, Petra blew some easy sitters in that match, in the pivotal tie break and the "it looked easy on paper second set", that could of made the match much more competitive.

Of course anything can happen. And I certainly respect Serena, especially at Wimbledon. But how often are we going to continue to overrate her before a major?

She's certainly has got a good a chance as anyone in theory, if she plays well. But it's a BIG if, to see if she can be consistent and physically fit for 7 matches. Now of course, Wimbledon would be the easiest Major for her physically (on the heart and lungs, not necessarily the joints), to try to last the 7 matches. So we'll see?

Who knows? Maybe Maria will inspire her (or make her mad)? I can see her winning, and saying some BS like that.

Lol

pov
Jun 11th, 2012, 02:14 PM
Seriously. GM now unreadable, glutted with fawning fanboy crap and endless, pointless Sharapova polls like, "Who has better bowel movements - Maria or Legend?"

Ugh.
:lol: You're being silly. That happens with every player who's just won a major.

pov
Jun 11th, 2012, 02:17 PM
And I certainly respect Serena, especially at Wimbledon. But how often are we going to continue to overrate her before a major?

Overrate isn't something that translates to Serena Williams. ;)

pov
Jun 11th, 2012, 02:24 PM
So you DO WANT Petra to win both WIMBY and THE OLYMPICS, cause if she does; not only will she have had a great year, but she would be in the running for Player Of The Year (as a matter of fact, based that scenario by the Olympics, it would be between Petra and Maria, and not the fading Vika). s.

I think you're being a bit biased. There's a whole US hardcourt season after the grass. Kvitova has to expand beyond the grass for it to be her year. If she dominates the grass season, has a decent hardcourt season and kills it at the YEC again then she'll be in the running. On the other side of things: - factoring in only majors, SF at AO and RG count as solid showings IMO.

Excelscior
Jun 11th, 2012, 03:08 PM
I think you're being a bit biased. There's a whole US hardcourt season after the grass. Kvitova has to expand beyond the grass for it to be her year. If she dominates the grass season, has a decent hardcourt season and kills it at the YEC again then she'll be in the running. On the other side of things: - factoring in only majors, SF at AO and RG count as solid showings IMO.

I was talking about, up until that point of the year. That's why I mentioned Tokyo, The YEC, The Indoor circuit, etc., that she could follow up on later, to solidify that status.

At the end of the year, they just look at the amount of titles you have, how important they are, your ranking, and go from there.

I know what I said and meant. :) :angel: :)

Plus, I was more trying to illustrate how Kvitty still has something to fight for this year, and not to give up.

Petronius
Jun 11th, 2012, 04:33 PM
Mmmmh.

Considering the 2010 Serena was down in the first set 4-2, before winning it in a tiebreak, and lost the ground battle, in the second set and overall in a match she won against a green, young Petra , I wouldn't be so sure.

Serena didn't return well in that match either (and or she just couldn't handle Petra's serve, especially the 2nd).

I remember, Petra blew some easy sitters in that match, in the pivotal tie break and the "it looked easy on paper second set", that could of made the match much more competitive.

Of course anything can happen. And I certainly respect Serena, especially at Wimbledon. But how often are we going to continue to overrate her before a major?

She's certainly has got a good a chance as anyone in theory, if she plays well. But it's a BIG if, to see if she can be consistent and physically fit for 7 matches. Now of course, Wimbledon would be the easiest Major for her physically (on the heart and lungs, not necessarily the joints), to try to last the 7 matches. So we'll see?

Who knows? Maybe Maria will inspire her (or make her mad)? I can see her winning, and saying some BS like that.

Lol

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't mind if Petra drew Serena in QF, Azarenka in SF and Maria in F and beating them all to clinch the title :devil:

steni
Jun 11th, 2012, 11:46 PM
Do you guys think that Petra is gonna be the flag bearer
for the Olympics ?

bruce goose
Jun 12th, 2012, 04:27 AM
Glad that Petra didn't waste her time going to Birmingham or,especially,Bad Gastein---what a joke(time to move indoors or get your hosting privileges canceled,BadG)!!

paulmara
Jun 12th, 2012, 08:11 AM
Do you guys think that Petra is gonna be the flag bearer
for the Olympics ?

I dont think so. It depends on their schedule. Most likely it will be Barbora potkov.
http://blog.idnes.cz/blog/2480/47671/Spotak-historie.jpg

bruce goose
Jun 12th, 2012, 11:18 AM
I dont think so. It depends on their schedule. Most likely it will be Barbora potkov.
http://blog.idnes.cz/blog/2480/47671/Spotak-historie.jpgBut Petra's pet lemur will DEFINITELY be the official Czech Olympic team's mascot

Vikapower
Jun 12th, 2012, 02:14 PM
To be honest, I can easily imagine Serena beating both Petra and Maria in a row. She is FAR from done. If her serves and returns are clicking, beware!

:lol: Maria Sharapova is never beating Serena Williams in the rest of her career/life and ESPECIALLY not in Wimbledon after what happened in 2004 if ever that feat had to occur. If Serena and Maria crashes, this is going to be an absolute demolition especially considering that Maria is world #1 -- :lol: I mean this only fact to exacerbate the fire in Serena. :lol: Furthermore, Serena crushed Maria in Madrid which is a very quick tournament similar to what you will find in Wimbledon -- :lol:

So as for saying you can "imagine" Serena beating Maria, it's not a dream :lol: -- if they meet Maria is factually losing the question is how badly is she going to lose. :devil: Venus was quadruple bageling #1 Safina in Wimbledon 2009, probably Serena gets to remember these good times and also Venus who is 2-0 over Maria on grass.

As for the Petra/Serena potential match up, I'll answer you via the answer Excelsior gave you :

Considering the 2010 Serena was down in the first set 4-2, before winning it in a tiebreak, and lost the ground battle, in the second set and overall in a match she won against a green, young Petra , I wouldn't be so sure.

Serena didn't return well in that match either (and or she just couldn't handle Petra's serve, especially the 2nd).

I remember, Petra blew some easy sitters in that match, in the pivotal tie break and the "it looked easy on paper second set", that could of made the match much more competitive.

Of course anything can happen. And I certainly respect Serena, especially at Wimbledon. But how often are we going to continue to overrate her before a major?

She's certainly has got a good a chance as anyone in theory, if she plays well. But it's a BIG if, to see if she can be consistent and physically fit for 7 matches. Now of course, Wimbledon would be the easiest Major for her physically (on the heart and lungs, not necessarily the joints), to try to last the 7 matches. So we'll see?

Which is perfectly right. :lol: Your comment though is a little bit too care-bearish for my liking. :devil:

Serena's ground-game in Wimbledon 2010 was a total mess, invisible, lackluster -- she had 0 footwork, was almost persistently late and out of sorts, she was slow like a truck ; still have no absolute idea how Petra found to lose that match in hell. :lol: Indeed, many factors contributed to Petra's defeat -- she was controlling all the proceedings but that sitter forehand in the ad. court was one of the turning points of the that tie-breaker.

I think, the match if they meet will be tight. Serena's serve is a factor that just can't really be resolved on grass easily. If she serves like in Miami (??) 22 aces which is perfectly conceivable on grass, Petra will need to be very very clutch on her own service games but also on Serena's service games when she has 1 or 2 crucial opportunities to get to her.

Thankfully though, Petra's lefty slice serve on grass is also a massive weapon -- so she's very well equipped to stay toe-to-toe with Serena whether it be a serving contest or display from the ground where IMO in the latter she's vastly more superior to any of the WS or grass-court pretenders.


Also, remember Li versus Serena in that same Wimbledon 2010. It was a serving contest, match was brutally tight and all of a sudden at 4-4 Li completely went AWOL. :help:

That's the perfect types of scenario Petra musn't fall into if/when they meet because I think that's how the match will be the thing is who will be the one cracking first ?

Vikapower
Jun 12th, 2012, 02:24 PM
Well, I think what most people don't realize is (knock on woood), you can have a situation where Vika wins 4 titles during the hardcourt season with a major; Sharapova wins 3 clay titles with a major; and Petra could win 3 grass court titles, with a major and Olympic Gold, the first 8mos of the year.

Petra is in the starting-blocks for Grass. She's the clear #1 favorite for every grass-court event she'll participate into so I really sincerely hope she enjoys herself there, Wimbledon*2 is rare feat and I hope she wins both comprehensively.

Each player has dominate their surface so far, Victoria slow hard, Maria clay now it's time for Petra and Grass. Between her and God only Serena has the potential to stop her from winning at least both Wimbledon and the Olympics.

Petra's game at it's peak on grass is untouchable but most thing people forget though when they discuss her grass-court achievements is that last year's performance wasn't even the best she had, just only remember her consistency and focus and you'll see what I mean.

Most people qualify Petra's 2011 Wimbledon as her peak, I even used the term above myself but this term is all so very inappropriate considering that Petra was at full flow with her tennis game for a whole lot indeed at times but not totally with her mind. She was losing focus and concentration many times during certain of her matches and she didn't even play that F full throttle -- certain of her performances were severely affected.

TBH I don't think this was her real peak, she'll certainly care to show it to us in the up-coming months and that'd be awesome.

steni
Jun 12th, 2012, 03:56 PM
:lol: Maria Sharapova is never beating Serena Williams in the rest of her career/life and ESPECIALLY not in Wimbledon after what happened in 2004 if ever that feat had to occur. If Serena and Maria crashes, this is going to be an absolute demolition especially considering that Maria is world #1 -- :lol: I mean this only fact to exacerbate the fire in Serena. :lol: Furthermore, Serena crushed Maria in Madrid which is a very quick tournament similar to what you will find in Wimbledon -- :lol:

So as for saying you can "imagine" Serena beating Maria, it's not a dream :lol: -- if they meet Maria is factually losing the question is how badly is she going to lose. :devil: Venus was quadruple bageling #1 Safina in Wimbledon 2009, probably Serena gets to remember these good times and also Venus who is 2-0 over Maria on grass.

As for the Petra/Serena potential match up, I'll answer you via the answer Excelsior gave you :



Which is perfectly right. :lol: Your comment though is a little bit too care-bearish for my liking. :devil:

Serena's ground-game in Wimbledon 2010 was a total mess, invisible, lackluster -- she had 0 footwork, was almost persistently late and out of sorts, she was slow like a truck ; still have no absolute idea how Petra found to lose that match in hell. :lol: Indeed, many factors contributed to Petra's defeat -- she was controlling all the proceedings but that sitter forehand in the ad. court was one of the turning points of the that tie-breaker.

I think, the match if they meet will be tight. Serena's serve is a factor that just can't really be resolved on grass easily. If she serves like in Miami (??) 22 aces which is perfectly conceivable on grass, Petra will need to be very very clutch on her own service games but also on Serena's service games when she has 1 or 2 crucial opportunities to get to her.

Thankfully though, Petra's lefty slice serve on grass is also a massive weapon -- so she's very well equipped to stay toe-to-toe with Serena whether it be a serving contest or display from the ground where IMO in the latter she's vastly more superior to any of the WS or grass-court pretenders.


Also, remember Li versus Serena in that same Wimbledon 2010. It was a serving contest, match was brutally tight and all of a sudden at 4-4 Li completely went AWOL. :help:

That's the perfect types of scenario Petra musn't fall into if/when they meet because I think that's how the match will be the thing is who will be the one cracking first ?

Petra said in an interview last year after beating Sharapova that she didnt believe she could beat Serena, and thats why she lost to her... Do you think Petra's weaknesses are distracting her from playing her game?. Maybe she thinks too much about it and cant focus in matches...

Petronius
Jun 12th, 2012, 09:20 PM
Petra very cautious and diplomatic when talking to her home press.

Asked about her chances to defend the title:

"It's gonna be very tough, but nothing's impossible. However, I'm not going to London to win. My goal is to play good tennis and to focus on the nearest match." said Kvitova, trying to escape the role of a hot favorite for the title.

Under promise overdeliver?

Excelscior
Jun 12th, 2012, 10:00 PM
Petra said in an interview last year after beating Sharapova that she didnt believe she could beat Serena, and thats why she lost to her... Do you think Petra's weaknesses are distracting her from playing her game?. Maybe she thinks too much about it and cant focus in matches...

Petra had plenty of opportunities to win that first set, and blew some easy sitters at 4-2 (I think 5-3), and in the tiebreaks. Kvitova should of won that first set. And she blew some easy shots in the second set as well. It was much closer than the 6-2 score.

Yes, Petra controlled the ground, the net, served very well, and believe it or not returned very well in that match. Serena just served better, and did enough to win.

And what do you mean by are "Petra's weaknesses distracting her from playing her game?". What weaknesses? And what player? You talking about the Serena match in 2010?

Well, that was a classic case of a young player, who didn't believe they could beat a legend/great player, in a match they were perfectly suited to. Happens all the time.

As a matter of fact, after that match, Serena gave Petra a rare compliment and said to her "girl you got game". And that match helped prompt Serena's mother to declare Petra "the future of women's tennis (along with her early 2011 season)".

Let's see what the grass season beholds, cause in 2010, Petra was playing piss poor before her Wimbledon arrival.

We'll see?

Excelscior
Jun 12th, 2012, 10:14 PM
Petra very cautious and diplomatic when talking to her home press.

Asked about her chances to defend the title:

"It's gonna be very tough, but nothing's impossible. However, I'm not going to London to win. My goal is to play good tennis and to focus on the nearest match." said Kvitova, trying to escape the role of a hot favorite for the title.

Under promise overdeliver?

Does it concern you some time Petronius, especially after Petra hasn't won a title this year, that she seemingly always tries to avoid talking about #1 (when applicable), winning titles, etc., and just focuses on improving her game?

Now, if she goes on to win Eastbourne, Wimby and The Olympics, I'll have nothing to say, and won't care. I mean she's played worst entering Wimby in 2010 (and I usually like Petra humble), but sometimes you want her to be a little more arrogant, pissed off and confident, after some disappointment, especially when defending a title.

What do you think?

steni
Jun 12th, 2012, 10:39 PM
Petra had plenty of opportunities to win that first set, and blew some easy sitters at 4-2 (I think 5-3), and in the tiebreaks. Kvitova should of won that first set. And she blew some easy shots in the second set as well. It was much closer than the 6-2 score.

Yes, Petra controlled the ground, the net, served very well, and believe it or not returned very well in that match. Serena just served better, and did enough to win.

And what do you mean by are "Petra's weaknesses distracting her from playing her game?". What weaknesses? And what player? You talking about the Serena match in 2010?

Well, that was a classic case of a young player, who didn't believe they could beat a legend/great player, in a match they were perfectly suited to. Happens all the time.

As a matter of fact, after that match, Serena gave Petra a rare compliment and said to her "girl you got game". And that match helped prompt Serena's mother to declare Petra "the future of women's tennis (along with her early 2011 season)".

Let's see what the grass season beholds, cause in 2010, Petra was playing piss poor before her Wimbledon arrival.

We'll see?

this 2012 Petra, maybe cause it was on clay, her movement and footwork werent great so thats why I was thinking that she was worrying too much about this so she couldnt focus.
You dont think that everything is on Petra's head, I meant if she can just focus and play without thinking per an hour, she could get the job done!
I dont know, but everytime she is gonna play I get so nervous cause I dont know what to expect with Petra!

Petronius
Jun 12th, 2012, 10:44 PM
I like this 'underpromise' approach, still better than those failed claims like "Caroline will win Madrid","Stosur will definitely win Aussie Open", etc. Maybe she's become more cautious/humble after her recent three losses to Maria? I still remember how she said on Czech TV after her Istanbul triumph "I would have preferred Sharapova instead of Zvonareva in my round robin group". I wonder whether she would say the same now. Maybe she feels that this year's Maria will be tough to beat even on grass.
She's always reasonably 'arrogant' during the Fed Cup matches - and the results speak for themselves. Maybe she should again incorporate that Fed Cup spirit into her solo matches.
As for those latest comments, she just wants to take some pressure off her shoulders. She obviously wants to defend her title - that's why she also refused to play mixed doubles at Wimbly so that she can fully focus on singles.

PetraReeMona
Jun 12th, 2012, 10:48 PM
Ok, I'm going to be a little cynical here, but I can't help it.

Personally, I think it's all mental with Petra.

She's not used to the pressure, the fame, the awards, the expectations and it's like she's talking herself into not winning anything because then the elation and emotions will maybe go out of control again and, being a very "down to earth" girl, she can't take the "high's" too much!

Yes, but why does she not do it when she's playing Fed Cup?

Easy, she is part of a team and it's not only her doing it, so if/when they win, the elation is only a quarter (being 4 in the team) of what she feels when she wins on her own, therefore she can handle that because she's not feeling out of control, but when she wins for herself, she can get so out of control, she doesn't like it.

Do you think any of that makes sense or am I going mad? :lol:

Excelscior
Jun 12th, 2012, 11:06 PM
Ok, I'm going to be a little cynical here, but I can't help it.

Personally, I think it's all mental with Petra.

She's not used to the pressure, the fame, the awards, the expectations and it's like she's talking herself into not winning anything because then the elation and emotions will maybe go out of control again and, being a very "down to earth" girl, she can't take the "high's" too much!

Yes, but why does she not do it when she's playing Fed Cup?

Easy, she is part of a team and it's not only her doing it, so if/when they win, the elation is only a quarter (being 4 in the team) of what she feels when she wins on her own, therefore she can handle that because she's not feeling out of control, but when she wins for herself, she can get so out of control, she doesn't like it.

Do you think any of that makes sense or am I going mad? :lol:

I don't disagree necessarily disagree Kitty.

But if I was Petra's sports psychologist, I would say to her "the tennis court is one of the few places you can totally enjoy yourself and be away from reporters, questions and fans". I would add "don't feel pressure, just enjoy it! It's your world".

The other thing I would say to Petra is, "whether you take on the challenge of being a great player and champion, or not, people are going to still criticize you and ask a lot of questions after every loss (especially bad ones); so you might as well give your best and win, cause it's certainly not going to stop the questions or pressure.

And the wins, will only bring her happiness, so she should definitely try her best all the time, and not sell herself short.

Someone needs to let Petra know this.

TimeyWimey
Jun 12th, 2012, 11:07 PM
mentally she is far from a top player, not even a good player, stumbling is not a bad thing this year, when she feels that she's not elite anymore, she'll be fine (like she once was)

as for fed cup, considering whom she's playing in her streak, without turning to the indoor factor, errani, schiavone, goerges, lisicki, kirilenko, kutznetsova, flipkens, wickmayer, hantuchova, cilbulkova, i think it's pretty self-explanatory

Excelscior
Jun 12th, 2012, 11:09 PM
I like this 'underpromise' approach, still better than those failed claims like "Caroline will win Madrid","Stosur will definitely win Aussie Open", etc. Maybe she's become more cautious/humble after her recent three losses to Maria? I still remember how she said on Czech TV after her Istanbul triumph "I would have preferred Sharapova instead of Zvonareva in my round robin group". I wonder whether she would say the same now. Maybe she feels that this year's Maria will be tough to beat even on grass.
She's always reasonably 'arrogant' during the Fed Cup matches - and the results speak for themselves. Maybe she should again incorporate that Fed Cup spirit into her solo matches.
As for those latest comments, she just wants to take some pressure off her shoulders. She obviously wants to defend her title - that's why she also refused to play mixed doubles at Wimbly so that she can fully focus on singles.

As far as the Fed Cup, as I've said before (in addition to Kvitty's "sharing the burden" theory), I always felt Petra gives more to her country/teammates, than she gives to herself.

On a team, and for a country, you have to give and play your best (especially when such a nice/giving person like Petra), otherwise you feel you let them down. Someone needs to tell Petra, she has coaches, teammates, countrymen/women, and fans, that she let's down every time she loses, and doesn't play up to her potential (though she may not know some of them).

Maybe this will get her to understand, she should take every tournament seriously, and always give it her best, regardless of the prospective ailment, countrywoman/teammate, fears or tournament locale.

Excelscior
Jun 12th, 2012, 11:13 PM
this 2012 Petra, maybe cause it was on clay, her movement and footwork werent great so thats why I was thinking that she was worrying too much about this so she couldnt focus.
You dont think that everything is on Petra's head, I meant if she can just focus and play without thinking per an hour, she could get the job done!
I dont know, but everytime she is gonna play I get so nervous cause I dont know what to expect with Petra!

Yes, it's in her head, cause she's still trying to get used to being a great player, and the preparation, professionalism, excellence and mental focus that comes with it.

Now before we all get too crazy, let's see what the grass season brings (there we can have a more fair criticism and analysis, if things go awol). We'll see what happens?

PetraReeMona
Jun 12th, 2012, 11:16 PM
I like this 'underpromise' approach, still better than those failed claims like "Caroline will win Madrid","Stosur will definitely win Aussie Open", etc. Maybe she's become more cautious/humble after her recent three losses to Maria? I still remember how she said on Czech TV after her Istanbul triumph "I would have preferred Sharapova instead of Zvonareva in my round robin group". I wonder whether she would say the same now. Maybe she feels that this year's Maria will be tough to beat even on grass.
She's always reasonably 'arrogant' during the Fed Cup matches - and the results speak for themselves. Maybe she should again incorporate that Fed Cup spirit into her solo matches.
As for those latest comments, she just wants to take some pressure off her shoulders. She obviously wants to defend her title - that's why she also refused to play mixed doubles at Wimbly so that she can fully focus on singles.

That's because she'd just won the biggest tournament after a GS and she was feeling mega confident.

As you say, what would she say now?

So, as I was saying in my other post, she's now won Istanbul and Wimbledon. It was bad enough she went off the rails (which is understandable) after she won Wimbledon, now she's won the other big tournament in November and she's double high!! It took her about 3-4 months to come down from winning Wimbledon, now she has to cope with winning Wimbledon and Istanbul - hence why this year has not been what everyone expected (except moi :lol: ).

I don't think she'll win Wimbledon this year, but I tell you what I do think. I think she might have a damn good chance at the Olympics and maybe after the Olympics we'll see a different Petra for some reason.

Your thoughts?

Excelscior
Jun 12th, 2012, 11:35 PM
That's because she'd just won the biggest tournament after a GS and she was feeling mega confident.

As you say, what would she say now?

So, as I was saying in my other post, she's now won Istanbul and Wimbledon. It was bad enough she went off the rails (which is understandable) after she won Wimbledon, now she's won the other big tournament in November and she's double high!! It took her about 3-4 months to come down from winning Wimbledon, now she has to cope with winning Wimbledon and Istanbul - hence why this year has not been what everyone expected (except moi :lol: ).

I don't think she'll win Wimbledon this year, but I tell you what I do think. I think she might have a damn good chance at the Olympics and maybe after the Olympics we'll see a different Petra for some reason.

Your thoughts?

I know why you said The Olympics, cause it's a team/country thing. :lol:

I don't know if she'll win Wimbledon, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if she did. Petra would of probably won Wimby in 2010, if she didn't run into Serena, and she was playing piss poor tennis up until that point, so her current form and confidence, may not be a good indicator of her potential results.

We'll know quite quickly when Wimby starts (and how she looks), what type of tennis she'll play.

Remember, for the most part last year, she played near flawless tennis at Wimby last year.

Hopefully, the grass at SW19, will relax Petra, and not make her feel any pressure of defending, or losing to a Sharapova (for example), who she'd have the advantage with on a fast, low bouncing grass court like Wimby.

We'll see? :eek:

steni
Jun 12th, 2012, 11:59 PM
I think when Petra likes a tournament or a place, she tries her best. I think she loves playing in Australia and Wimbledon, so I think she is gonna do her best to win, but we don't know with Petra, under the radar she plays fine, but as a favorite and defending champ she can struggle. Maybe being the defending champ can be a motivation for her to fight and win.

Excelscior
Jun 13th, 2012, 12:09 AM
I think when Petra likes a tournament or a place, she tries her best. I think she loves playing in Australia and Wimbledon, so I think she is gonna do her best to win, but we don't know with Petra, under the radar she plays fine, but as a favorite and defending champ she can struggle. Maybe being the defending champ can be a motivation for her to fight and win.

All good points you mentioned.

We'll see how Petra deals with it?

I hope she wins. Despite the French Open disappointment, imagine Petra can have 5 slam semi-finals, two finals, and 2 slam titles, at this of her career, if she wins (hopefully thrown in with an Olympics).

I for one, hope she does.

I hope Petra realizes, the grass season can totally revitalize her year so far, and therefore shouldn't be down on herself, but to the contrary, positive to win.

mac47
Jun 13th, 2012, 02:08 AM
You know, I don't think Petra has ever bought her own hype. When asked about possibly becoming #1, she said, "there's a lot of parity, lots of girls can win slams" -- and she was right. She is probably very happy to have made two semifinals at slams this year, and despite not having won a tournament yet, I think pretty much everyone but Pova, Vika, and maybe Aga would rather have Petra's results so far.

bruce goose
Jun 13th, 2012, 06:34 AM
With all the rain in Birmingham,my most recent vision was one where Petra had a ton of momentum in unstoppable GOAT form.......and then lost it due to 3 straight days of rainouts in that Godforsaken former world-class empire...then again,I'm not in a great mood so I'm probably exaggerating worst-case scenarios:lol:

PetraReeMona
Jun 13th, 2012, 07:33 AM
With all the rain in Birmingham,my most recent vision was one where Petra had a ton of momentum in unstoppable GOAT form.......and then lost it due to 3 straight days of rainouts in that Godforsaken former world-class empire...then again,I'm not in a great mood so I'm probably exaggerating worst-case scenarios:lol:

:secret: Centre court has a roof :)

mac47
Jun 14th, 2012, 10:29 AM
Kvitty was not being arrogant by saying she preferred to play Masha rather than Bepa in her RR group. She was 2-0 against Pova in 2011 at that point, but had lost to Zvonareva. That remark was just more lovable Kvitty humility.

Petronius
Jun 14th, 2012, 10:43 AM
Kvitty was not being arrogant by saying she preferred to play Masha rather than Bepa in her RR group. She was 2-0 against Pova in 2011 at that point, but had lost to Zvonareva. That remark was just more lovable Kvitty humility.

I agree. She just gave an honest answer to a journalist's question and she looked humble as always when saying that, no sign of arrogance at all.

steni
Jun 14th, 2012, 06:42 PM
I agree. She just gave an honest answer to a journalist's question and she looked humble as always when saying that, no sign of arrogance at all.

I'm agree too... Petra is really honest, and Im not sure if this is a good thing sometimes. But I personally didnt like when Petra had to play Zvonareva, cause she is one of the best movers on the tour and Petra kinda struggles against her. I get so nervous when Petra plays counter punchers or players that move better and have a decent serve.

steni
Jun 14th, 2012, 07:10 PM
Ok, I'm going to be a little cynical here, but I can't help it.

Personally, I think it's all mental with Petra.

She's not used to the pressure, the fame, the awards, the expectations and it's like she's talking herself into not winning anything because then the elation and emotions will maybe go out of control again and, being a very "down to earth" girl, she can't take the "high's" too much!

Yes, but why does she not do it when she's playing Fed Cup?

Easy, she is part of a team and it's not only her doing it, so if/when they win, the elation is only a quarter (being 4 in the team) of what she feels when she wins on her own, therefore she can handle that because she's not feeling out of control, but when she wins for herself, she can get so out of control, she doesn't like it.

Do you think any of that makes sense or am I going mad? :lol:

I think the same. This is just my opinion and I'm not a tennis expert but I feel like Petra has an inconsistent mentality, at times she is tough than she is so fragile. You see Serena/Sharapova/Henin are so strong and maybe because they had goals already when they start with tennis. But Petra said she didn't even know she would play professional tennis or dreams of becoming #1 or win Grand Slams, she didn't take it so seriously like these other players, and I think Petra likes to play for a team, that's why maybe she is so ferocious in Fed Cup matches, she used to play Volleyball.

bruce goose
Jun 15th, 2012, 04:07 AM
There are some really low-profile players in the Birmingham QFs,but things will truly pick up as soon as our Petra hits the grass courts

steni
Jun 15th, 2012, 11:08 AM
Hopefully! Im pretty excited to see Petra playing on grass!

steni
Jun 15th, 2012, 11:10 AM
Somebody know if there are grass courts in the Czech Republic?

bruce goose
Jun 16th, 2012, 04:10 AM
Looks like there are at least 5 gals in the Eastbourne Q-Draw who won't participate b/c their Dubs matches in Birmingham were delayed by rain.That got me wondering: If Petra WERE into the finals of a Doubles draw and she had to choose between skipping her next tournament or forsaking a much-delayed Dubs final with her partner,which way would she go??My guess is that,if the upcoming tourney were big enough,she'd humbly apologize to her partner for having to default

Sasja
Jun 16th, 2012, 12:09 PM
They are doing the draw for Eastbourne atm.

Petra's opponent for R1 is Makarova :eek:

Valanga
Jun 16th, 2012, 12:10 PM
Tuesday match please. Tuesday

Sasja
Jun 16th, 2012, 12:14 PM
Tuesday match please. Tuesday

Will you be there on Tuesday?

Valanga
Jun 16th, 2012, 12:20 PM
Will you be there on Tuesday?

Yes :) I will definitely see Kerber (assuming all 1r Q matches are on Tuesday)
but want to see Petra as well :D

Sasja
Jun 16th, 2012, 12:23 PM
Yes :) I will definitely see Kerber (assuming all 1r Q matches are on Tuesday)
but want to see Petra as well :D

So jealous :o
I'm going to 's-Hertogenbosch :rolls:
Given up hope that one day Maria or Petra will sign up for the Unicef Open :sobbing:

Hope you get to see Petra :cheer:
Have fun :D

Valanga
Jun 16th, 2012, 12:26 PM
So jealous :o
I'm going to 's-Hertogenbosch :rolls:
Given up hope that Maria or Petra will one day sign up for the Unicef Open :sobbing:

Hope you get to see Petra :cheer:
Have fun :D

You can see Clijsters or Stosur :oh:
I have the feeling that her match will be on Monday :o

Sasja
Jun 16th, 2012, 12:28 PM
You can see Clijsters or Stosur :oh:
I have the feeling that her match will be on Monday :o

Or Vinci :hysteric:

But Makarova is still playing in Birmingham. So hopefully she reaches the final there and they will give her the Monday off :)
If Birmingham will ever finish that is :sobbing:

Valanga
Jun 16th, 2012, 12:31 PM
Or Vinci :hysteric:

But Makarova is still playing in Birmingham. So hopefully she reaches the final there and they will give her the Monday off :)
If Birmingham will ever finish that is :sobbing:

LAWD I forgot Makarova's QF match hadn't even started yet :oh:
yeah, Tuesday start is the best :oh:

English weather sucks

Meelis
Jun 16th, 2012, 01:11 PM
(1)Agnieszka Radwanska (POL) v Tsvetana Pironkova (BUL)
Petra Cetkovska (CZE) v Carla Suarez Navarro (ESP)
Tamira Paszek (AUT) v Marina Erakovic (NZL)
(wc)Anne Keothavong (GBR) v (8)Daniela Hantuchova (SVK)

(4)Marion Bartoli (FRA) v Sorana Cirstea (ROU)
Aleksandra Wozniak (CAN) v Galina Voskoboeva (KAZ)
Q v (wc)Heather Watson (GBR)
Timea Babos (HUN) v (7)Lucie Safarova (CZE)

(6)Ana Ivanovic (SRB) v Q
Jie Zheng (CHN) v Klara Zakopalova (CZE)
Su-Wei Hsieh (TPE) v Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (RUS)
Christina McHale (USA) v (3)Caroline Wozniacki (DEN)

(5)Angelique Kerber (GER) v Q
Mona Barthel (GER) v Chanelle Scheepers (RSA)
Q v Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez (ESP)
Ekaterina Makarova (RUS) v (2)Petra Kvitova (CZE)

Valanga
Jun 16th, 2012, 01:18 PM
Potential clash against Kerber...again.

Vikapower
Jun 16th, 2012, 01:22 PM
Well to start Mak isn't an easy player already but I like fact she has a chance to take some revenge on Kerber from Rome -- match she would have obviously won with ease.

Excelscior
Jun 16th, 2012, 02:48 PM
They are doing the draw for Eastbourne atm.

Petra's opponent for R1 is Makarova :eek:

Wow.

That's a tough rd one opponent. They didn't do Petra any favors. Minus beating Serena, I don't think Makaraova has had a great year in 2011. Petra may of even beat her last year at Eastbourne, but wasn't Makarova a former champion at this event as well?

And Makarova is still playing in Birmingham, while our Petra is god knows where, doing god knows what? :eek: :eek:

ArcticMoose
Jun 16th, 2012, 03:23 PM
Wow.

That's a tough rd one opponent. They didn't do Petra any favors. Minus beating Serena, I don't think Makaraova has had a great year in 2011. Petra may of even beat her last year at Eastbourne, but wasn't Makarova a former champion at this event as well?

And Makarova is still playing in Birmingham, while our Petra is god knows where, doing god knows what? :eek: :eek:
:) She is hanging out with Adam far from any Tennis Court ...:lol:

BTW Kvitty won ugly against EM last year in R2 (remember those tie-breaks!:tape:) - 76(8) 76(4) : so not expecting anything spectacular from her this year too:p Both EM & AK are lefties - can she overcome two lefties ? we'll see soon enough;) I'll be satisfied if she walks away from Eastbourne defending her 320 points:D

TimeyWimey
Jun 16th, 2012, 03:53 PM
:) She is hanging out with Adam far from any Tennis Court ...:lol:

BTW Kvitty won ugly against EM last year in R2 (remember those tie-breaks!:tape:) - 76(8) 76(4) : so not expecting anything spectacular from her this year too:p Both EM & AK are lefties - can she overcome two lefties ? we'll see soon enough;) I'll be satisfied if she walks away from Eastbourne defending her 320 points:D

better not lose to Aga in the final :lol:

Sasja
Jun 16th, 2012, 04:28 PM
better not lose to Aga in the final :lol:

If she can get that far :oh:
She has Pironkova in R1 and maybe Cetkovska in R2 (Cetkovska leads the H2H 4-0).

steni
Jun 16th, 2012, 05:44 PM
:) She is hanging out with Adam far from any Tennis Court ...:lol:

BTW Kvitty won ugly against EM last year in R2 (remember those tie-breaks!:tape:) - 76(8) 76(4) : so not expecting anything spectacular from her this year too:p Both EM & AK are lefties - can she overcome two lefties ? we'll see soon enough;) I'll be satisfied if she walks away from Eastbourne defending her 320 points:D

Really? Oh gosh!

paulmara
Jun 16th, 2012, 06:03 PM
:) She is hanging out with Adam far from any Tennis Court ...:lol:



Petra Kvitova
Hi from Eastbourne! Two practices on the grass today plus a run along the beach. Now time to cheer on the Czech team :)

ArcticMoose
Jun 16th, 2012, 06:13 PM
Petra Kvitova
Hi from Eastbourne! Two practices on the grass today plus a run along the beach. Now time to cheer on the Czech team :)
;) I very much doubt she would be doing this on her own ....(with Adam;))

Excelscior
Jun 16th, 2012, 07:14 PM
:) She is hanging out with Adam far from any Tennis Court ...:lol:

BTW Kvitty won ugly against EM last year in R2 (remember those tie-breaks!:tape:) - 76(8) 76(4) : so not expecting anything spectacular from her this year too:p Both EM & AK are lefties - can she overcome two lefties ? we'll see soon enough;) I'll be satisfied if she walks away from Eastbourne defending her 320 points:D

Yeah, I remember that crazy match, during that entirely crazy Eastbourne run Petra had last year. :lol: :lol:

It's seem like all her matches were like Makarova's with that crazy wind present in every match. Incredible!

Let's see what happens during this years Eastbourne? :eek:

Barktra
Jun 16th, 2012, 07:15 PM
Should be a hell of a first round match for Petra :cheer:

Petronius
Jun 16th, 2012, 07:30 PM
Should be a hell of a first round match for Petra :cheer:

Nice avatar and sig :worship:

bruce goose
Jun 17th, 2012, 04:27 AM
Well,Makarova will have to run around like a mad woman merely to face Petra;even if Birmingham and Eastbourne are located within the same country,it's still often wearisome to have to rush from place to place....Honestly,though,let's hope that Petra never lowers herself to playing Birmingham---what a pathetic,monkeyf--k operation!Tradition only goes so far as a valid excuse;the WTA may as well hold a tourney in a tropical rain forest:rolleyes:

winnermax
Jun 17th, 2012, 04:58 AM
Looking forward to seeing her rebound in grass season.;)

ArcticMoose
Jun 17th, 2012, 09:05 AM
:D This is a challenge to our resident Chief Papparazzi 'Paulmara' - how quickly can he post Petra's:angel: Grass Season outfit/gear to the subforum ......:)

paulmara
Jun 17th, 2012, 09:12 AM
:D This is a challenge to our resident Chief Papparazzi 'Paulmara' - how quickly can he post Petra's:angel: Grass Season outfit/gear to the subforum ......:)

training outfit 5 minutes

Valanga
Jun 17th, 2012, 07:18 PM
no Kvitova tomorrow :)
hopefully on Tuesday :oh:

bruce goose
Jun 18th, 2012, 04:19 AM
Am always happy to see Petra succeed,but I'm sort of glad that her upcoming opponent lost in Birm.,thus allowing her time to travel and face our Lioness.....The loyalist in me just wants a Petra:hearts: victory,yet the sports fan in me prefers a level playing field

paulmara
Jun 18th, 2012, 07:27 PM
Tuesday, 19 June - 11:00 am
Centre Court
E.Makarova (RUS) v P.Kvitova (CZE) [2]

Barktra
Jun 18th, 2012, 07:29 PM
:cheer: will their be a stream for tomorrow's match?

paulmara
Jun 18th, 2012, 07:36 PM
:cheer: will their be a stream for tomorrow's match?

http://layout.tv.eurosport.co.uk/i/logo/tvschedule/epg/v2/logo_id_2_full.png

11:00 TENNIS
Live Tennis: AEGON International - Eastbourne - Day Two (480min)

Excelscior
Jun 18th, 2012, 08:50 PM
http://layout.tv.eurosport.co.uk/i/logo/tvschedule/epg/v2/logo_id_2_full.png

11:00 TENNIS
Live Tennis: AEGON International - Eastbourne - Day Two (480min)

OK.

It's not posted yet on Livescorehunter, but I guess/hopefully it will be posted by later tonight (as it should be if it's going to be broadcast tomorrow).

Thanks Guys.

TimeyWimey
Jun 18th, 2012, 09:02 PM
that's wonderful, starting 6am EST, perfect for me :)

Excelscior
Jun 18th, 2012, 09:56 PM
that's wonderful, starting 6am EST, perfect for me :)

Wouldn't it be 5am EST, unless they changed back in England.

Petronius
Jun 18th, 2012, 10:18 PM
First match on Centre Court :dance:

11 am UK time, so it should be 6 am US East

18majors
Jun 18th, 2012, 10:59 PM
First match on Centre Court :dance:

11 am UK time, so it should be 6 am US East

WTA's grass season officially kicks off with Petra's first match, hope to see glimpses of GOAT-Petra.

bruce goose
Jun 19th, 2012, 04:18 AM
Birmingham offered a nice comeback story,but I believe that the quality of grass-court play will rise with Petra and her competitors this week......assuming the Eastbourne weather doesn't regress to where the LAST tourney was by postponing all the matches:p

ArcticMoose
Jun 19th, 2012, 06:25 AM
:D Please don't go mental walkabouts between 11AM-1PM ;) Petra! A win on CC would be nice for your fans :)

aloeball
Jun 19th, 2012, 09:18 AM
SO whats wrong with this girl ?

Some of you fans may think she's had a pretty good season but she hasnt in my eyes. Absolutely no top 10 wins - exclusing the Hopman Cup final.

And her game seems to be really off, different. It's less attacking and more content on rallying. The mental side is obviously not there.

I just hope Wimbledon wakes her up, after a RU finish to Serena of course.

b2b
Jun 19th, 2012, 10:29 AM
Yummm watching her grass game is much more pleasant :angel:

b2b
Jun 19th, 2012, 10:59 AM
Oh dear, get better on second set :facepalm:

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 10:59 AM
I know it's her first grass event. But have you ever seen a set that someone dominated, then lost 7-5?

Petra should of won this set 6-2.

What ever it is, I hope she sorts it out for the 2nd set, and the rest of the match.

Makaraova didn't deserve to win this set.

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:03 AM
WTF is up with some of these puff ball second serve returns for Petra that she's missing?

She should of won the set long time ago.

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:07 AM
Petra's dismal. She's been terrible on break points, early return leads, and her own second serve.

I hope she's not on the verge of meltdown, if she can't hold on her first serve of the second set.

Too many missed opportunities so far.

Barktra
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:13 AM
Sheis turning into Roger because she can barely convert a bp :o

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:13 AM
This is ridiculous.

Petra blew a 68mph second serve, when she could of got break point. So far, she's missed numerous puff ball second serves so far in the match (as well as hit a few). But Petra's the one that's 6/24 on her 2nd serve, and Makarova is at 50%.

SMH. Get it together Petra!!!!

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:15 AM
And all Makarova is trying to do, is to get the ball in play. Ekat's not even playing that well.

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:19 AM
Sheis turning into Roger because she can barely convert a bp :o

Tell me about it. :rolleyes:

The irony is, Petra's moving well, and Ekat's pushing, but Petra keeps making too many bonehead errors, and not taking advantage (especially on 2nd serve).

WTF?

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:23 AM
She has been absolutely dismal on the cream puff second serves of Makarova. And now Petra's frustrated, cause a match she thought was well in hand, is now uncertain. Makarova is willing to run down anything now.

I haven't seen her play this poorly to start a match in a while.

SMH again.

steni
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:24 AM
Petra should retire for brain injury... I dont know what the heck is she doing! Her forehand sucks!

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:27 AM
Petra just missed the easiest runner at the net, to allow Makarova to break her, when Petra could of went to deuce.

I know she played a grass tournament before Petra (though she lost to Oudin, so let's get serious), but Petra needs to get through this match, to say the least.

Tough it out girl!

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:28 AM
I can't recall Petra so consistently bad on 2nd serves. SMH

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:29 AM
Petra's absolutely dismal on Makarova's awful 2nd serves.

Once again, I understand this Petra's 1st match on grass vs Makarova, but Petra should of won the first set 6-2, and now she's given Makarova confidence, despite the fact Ekat's been playing like crap/pushing, minus a few good shots.

Ekat seems like she's been on her 2nd serve the entire match, and Petra didn't take advantage.

And her servings been average. Makarova is not playing that well. It's just been Petra not playing smart, taking advantage.

Only if she could get through this match.

steni
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:31 AM
Kotyza should go there and slap her on the face to see if she wakes up! This is embarrasing!

steni
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:37 AM
Petra's absolutely dismal on Makarova's awful 2nd serves.

Once again, I understand this Petra's 1st match on grass vs Makarova, but Petra should of won the first set 6-2, and now she's given Makarova confidence, despite the fact Ekat's been playing like crap/pushing, minus a few good shots.

Ekat seems like she's been on her 2nd serve the entire match, and Petra didn't take advantage.

And her servings been average. Makarova is not playing that well. It's just been Petra not playing smart, taking advantage.

Only if she could get through this match.

Not just confidence, double faults, and UE as well... Man Petra is soooo nice!

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:40 AM
Makarova' still serving that awful 2nd serve, but Petra broke. So let's hope she can hold on her serve now, and not disappoint?

b2b
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:42 AM
SO whats wrong with this girl ?

Some of you fans may think she's had a pretty good season but she hasnt in my eyes. Absolutely no top 10 wins - exclusing the Hopman Cup final.

And her game seems to be really off, different. It's less attacking and more content on rallying. The mental side is obviously not there.

I just hope Wimbledon wakes her up, after a RU finish to Serena of course.

well certain people on this board tends to get overoptimistic

such as winning wimbledon last year equals playing flawless

actually it was not. she fumbled through the wimbledon and her problem still there, from today‘s match may be no improvement at all

clearly she bashes the ball all the time which bears high risk and a few errors are fine,not to mention oft she bashes them beautifully and not her serve and return that bad. Once errors flushes in,she just is as helpless as a lamb out there. The more she seems anxious, the more she rushes her game. something is off there, be it focus or mentality.

well hope this loss won't corrode her confidence.

HowardH
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:45 AM
Well. That was quite bad. Ekat is a very good grasscourt player but Petra has the far bigger game. Not that it matters when you miss every second forehand by miles.

I guess Petra has always been a streaky and somewhat unpredictable player especially during the regular tour matches, but hopefully she can continue to perform pretty well in the major tournaments. Not really sure about her Wimbledon defense at this stage but maybe her form will come around.

And yeah, maybe the first match on grass thing can be used as an excuse, but still, it was an awful performance.

Barktra
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:45 AM
And she has now lost :o

Hopefully she will do somethng at Wimbledon, but I am a little bit worried about it know :scared:

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:45 AM
I knew not to get excited that Petra finally broke, cause she wasn't playing well enough for me to have any confidence in her holding.

Once again, I know it's her first match on grass vs a tricky opponent, that's been playing on it, but Petra was dismal in all facets.

She should of won this match easy.

steni
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:47 AM
I hope with this stupid loss... She gets her ass on the practice courts and not to hang out with her fucking bf!
Now stupid makarova is gonna lose in the next round!

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:48 AM
well certain people on this board tends to get overoptimistic

such as winning wimbledon last year equals playing flawless

actually it was not. she fumbled through the wimbledon and her problem still there, from today‘s match may be no improvement at all

clearly she bashes the ball all the time which bears high risk and a few errors are fine,not to mention oft she bashes them beautifully and not her serve and return that bad. Once errors flushes in,she just is as helpless as a lamb out there. The more she anxious, the more she rushes her game. something is off there, be it focus or mentality.

well hope this loss won't corrode her confidence.

Excuse me.

Petra played very well at Wimbledon, and only lost two sets the entire tournament vs Pironkova and Vika.

Petra had some incredible matches with a great amount of winners and very few unforced errors. Did you see her scorelines, stats, and watch her play? So I'm not sure what you're saying. Was she perfect at Wimbledon; no.

But she played very well, and was hitting the ball superbly. Petra also served, returned, moved, sliced and volleyed very well at Wimby last year. She was doing everything well.

I'm not sure what tournament you watched, if you were watching it at all. Cause I don't think you really watched all her matches last year at Wimby, if you watched at all? Petra played superbly (especially the important points).

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:50 AM
I hope with this stupid loss... She gets her ass on the practice courts and not to hang out with her fucking bf!
Now stupid makarova is gonna lose in the next round!

I agree.

Unless Makarova get's better, she will lose in the second rd. :eek:

Once again, I understand Petra was playing her first match on grass, against someone who wasn't. But Petra had the match at hand, and let it go. Once she felt the pressure to stay in the match, that's when her lack of preparation/confidence showed, and she started making errors; a boat load. Makarova should of never been in this match.

cosmoose
Jun 19th, 2012, 12:09 PM
Petra lost to Makarova in straight sets?
Didn't she lost to Oudin last weekend?

and some people wonder why Petra's name has been stricken from my signature :rolleyes:

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=62118,filename=picard-facepalm.jpg

ArcticMoose
Jun 19th, 2012, 12:12 PM
I was not expecting her to win this morning - so not at all surprised at the result. Just hoping she does not get booted out in the 1st round at wimby - what an embarassement as defending champ! - once again I will make the case for Kotyza's scalp!

Synth
Jun 19th, 2012, 12:18 PM
Hm. I missed this match since I was on a flight. :( Now I'm kinda glad I missed it. Thanks for the real time updates Excel.

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 01:08 PM
I was not expecting her to win this morning - so not at all surprised at the result. Just hoping she does not get booted out in the 1st round at wimby - what an embarassement as defending champ! - once again I will make the case for Kotyza's scalp!

The irony is Makarova didn't play that well, and Petra was the one controlling the match. She certainly could of/should of won.

Kvitova had numerous opportunities, and just couldn't seem to stay consistent, after coasting earlier in the match.

Makarova was not that good.

Well, at least now she doesn't have the pressure of a defending champion, cause the reactionary press, and many of us will take this as a ominous sign. This is one of the reasons why many top players would rather rest, and work their way back in to form at Wimby during the short grass season (avoiding bad losses against decent ranked players).

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 01:13 PM
Hm. I missed this match since I was on a flight. :( Now I'm kinda glad I missed it. Thanks for the real time updates Excel.

Your welcome.

Now I'll be getting on a flight myself in a few hrs. I wish Petra would of made my two hr investment in her match more worth my while.

Now I gotta get ready, myself now. Lol

Synth
Jun 19th, 2012, 01:14 PM
Well, at least she's lowering the pressure and reducing expectations. Haha.

Petronius
Jun 19th, 2012, 01:40 PM
A Makarova with a grass tournament under her belt is a tough opponent in the first round. In Australia she knocked out Kanepi, Zvonareva and Serena so on a good day she's a huge threat. No big worries about Petra though. Thanks to her high seeding at Wimbledon she'll get weak opponents in the first rounds, which will allow her to play herself into form.

Good luck, Kvitty

anty1975
Jun 19th, 2012, 02:07 PM
A Makarova with a grass tournament under her belt is a tough opponent in the first round. In Australia she knocked out Kanepi, Zvonareva and Serena so on a good day she's a huge threat. No big worries about Petra though. Thanks to her high seeding at Wimbledon she'll get weak opponents in the first rounds, which will allow her to play herself into form.

Good luck, Kvitty
High seeding is no guarantee, she could easily get Makarova again or Pironkova in the first round for ex.

pov
Jun 19th, 2012, 02:19 PM
IMO Makarova played well and brought enough pressure on Kvitova to heighten her error-prone state. A few solid returns a couple winners and Kviotova's nerve cracked. It's not great as this was a tournament she made the finals of in 2011(including beating Makarova in R2. The only upside in my book is that Makarova played well so it wasn't as if Kvitova completely just handed her the match. On the other hand - yeah her form was not exactly great.

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 02:45 PM
@POV

I'll have to disagree a bit.

Yes, Makarova's a name opponent.

But anyone who saw the match, knows that Ekat had a pitiful 2nd serve most of the match, that Petra blew many opportunities to spank. And it appeared Ekat was 2nd serving the entire match. On the flip side, Petra was uncharacteristically (especially on grass) winning few points on her own 2nd serve. More importanly, Petra had Makarova on the ropes, and should of won that first set 6-2 (Petra was up 4-2, and 0-30 durin Makarova's serve). Yeah Makarova did some nice things hear and there; and got more tricky as the match progressed. But she was mostly reactive and at the mercy of the rusty/trying to find form Petra.

You could see the game was there, but Petra just couldn't close the door in the first set, and put it together during the second, the longer she kept EKAT in the match. I mean this is the same player that was ousted by Oudin in her last tournament.

SMH.

18majors
Jun 19th, 2012, 02:51 PM
It's almost as if Petra never has a tune-up tournament for Wimbledon, same as Maria, Serena and Azarenka.

Excelscior
Jun 19th, 2012, 02:58 PM
It's almost as if Petra never has a tune-up tournament for Wimbledon, same as Maria, Serena and Azarenka.

Bingo!

The only difference is, they don't have to be ridiculed for losing in the first rd, as defending Champion in tournament. But you're right! :lol:

mac47
Jun 19th, 2012, 03:07 PM
I'm still rooting for Petra because she's a likable player and I love watching her when she's on. But I give up on hoping that she's going to dominate the tour. I'm resigned to the reign of the shriekers now, because Petra simply isn't getting it done. Wake me up if she ever starts training and playing up to her potential.

Oh, and I think we can forget about her ever ditching Kotyza. Too close, too much of a personal relationship for her ever to replace him with someone more demanding.

I predict a quarterfinal or semifinal loss at Wimby. So sad. She may go this whole year without a tournament win. Who would have thought it after 2011?

18majors
Jun 19th, 2012, 03:14 PM
I'm still rooting for Petra because she's a likable player and I love watching her when she's on. But I give up on hoping that she's going to dominate the tour. I'm resigned to the reign of the shriekers now, because Petra simply isn't getting it done. Wake me up if she ever starts training and playing up to her potential.

Oh, and I think we can forget about her ever ditching Kotyza. Too close, too much of a personal relationship for her ever to replace him with someone more demanding.

I predict a quarterfinal or semifinal loss at Wimby. So sad. She may go this whole year without a tournament win. Who would have thought it after 2011?

On the contrary, as a Maria and Petra fan, I know Petra is and will always be Maria's toughest foe.

Petra is 3 years younger than Maria and Maria is 6 years younger than Serena, WTA will be Petra's domain for a long time unless Petra decides to get married and have kids before she is 25 years old.

Vikapower
Jun 19th, 2012, 03:31 PM
Like I said in GM, I'm not too worried about Wimbledon, Petra doesn't really deliver her best in Eastbourne for whatever reasons. Even last year she had a difficult period in this tournament even if she somehow managed to stumble in the F but not with her best tennis especially when you compare to what she delivered in Wimbledon. It's a different ball-game so Petra will answer the challenge.

Like I had said, Mak is not an easy player at all especially when you're a top player ; she's really a bug for them when you await her the less. :lol: Last year Petra beat her in two tight tie's 7-6(8) 7-6(4) and Petra wasn't even yet that much in her prime, so Mak is just no walkover.

steni
Jun 19th, 2012, 03:59 PM
I dont know much but supposely Petra was learning another return of serve technique in Turkey, so Im wondering if she is using it. Her return sucks lately!
her forehand(over 20 ue), footwork, mentality, everything is a mess.

Petronius
Jun 19th, 2012, 04:51 PM
Comments:

"It was my first match on grass and I didn't expect much. :confused: It's not an ideal preparation for Wimbledon, but I still have several days to get my act together and be ready. I have to work hard to improve my game."


On Makarova:
"She played well. She's good on grass."

TennisAddict84
Jun 19th, 2012, 04:54 PM
I dont know much but supposely Petra was learning another return of serve technique in Turkey, so Im wondering if she is using it. Her return sucks lately!
her forehand(over 20 ue), footwork, mentality, everything is a mess.

YEP. Petra just completely self imploded today. Was playing well in the first set, should've won it 6-2. And even when she didn't, she was still leading in many of her own service games and Makarova's service games in the remainder of the set and the 2nd set as well. Mentally, she just didn't seem to want to fight for this match at all. Even after calling David out and letting the first set slip away, Petra didn't make any adjustments to her game. First serve % continued to stay low, consecutive DFs were thrown in, forehand error after forehand error followed.

18majors
Jun 19th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Comments:

"It was my first match on grass and I didn't expect much. :confused: It's not an ideal preparation for Wimbledon, but I still have several days to get my act together and be ready. I have to work hard to improve my game."


On Makaraova:
"She played well. She's good on grass."

Would enjoy watching a Petra/Maria final at 2012 Wimbledon and hopefully it's more competitive and entertaining this time around.

ArcticMoose
Jun 19th, 2012, 05:57 PM
Reading the posts, clearly emotions running high for all her fans - the start to the grass season has been a mess. A lot of fans clearly disappointed & despairing - my self-included. I have clearly learned after AO, this is not going to be a painless journey with kvitty. So at this low point lets keep the faith that she will make improvements albeit at some time in the future & can depend on our support. She is what she is at present - I honestly do not know where the solutions will come from ... as I am not sure if she is happy coasting along in the Top 10 or wants to be a multi slam champ!.

Rex59
Jun 19th, 2012, 06:05 PM
On the contrary, as a Maria and Petra fan, I know Petra is and will always be Maria's toughest foe.

Petra is 3 years younger than Maria and Maria is 6 years younger than Serena, WTA will be Petra's domain for a long time unless Petra decides to get married and have kids before she is 25 years old.

I had arrived at the same observation coming off last year that Petra would be the dominant player for the next decade. However, this was ere Maria recovered her serve in Stuttgart and the emergence of Mona Barthel, who I thought would be a major player down the road. Yet, Mona has performed like a scrub for the last 3 tourneys (Strasbourg, the French and Eastbourne) giving me pause and Petra has not looked good this year, period, playing scratchy, error-laden tennis. Yes, she's still young, but one cannot account for the continued sloppy play from match-to-match, which makes me wonder how does she practice? Why the sloppy errors? Why doesn't she have control of her ground game? Why the lack of execution on the simplest of returns? She and Mona just pass these bad performances off like it's nothing, "just tennis" is the summation of their responses after bad losses. Smh..... It leaves one not knowing what to expect from her and others in a generally, sloppy and unpredictable Tour at the moment.

Melange
Jun 19th, 2012, 06:16 PM
And she has now lost :o

Hopefully she will do somethng at Wimbledon, but I am a little bit worried about it know :scared:

she was crappy before FO as well. i think she will improve a bit once the tournament starts. if she manages to get her shots in the corners, a lot of them wont be coming back. hard to Believe Oudin was more aggressive than Katya last week, it was almost surreal to see Courage winning the rallies

Queen Petra Fan
Jun 19th, 2012, 06:17 PM
Would enjoy watching a Petra/Maria final at 2012 Wimbledon and hopefully it's more competitive and entertaining this time around.

As usual, Kotyza had Petra tuned as tight as a fiddle. Fully prepared (for failure). :sad:

I'm really starting to not like that tubby, lazy ball of shit who is supposed to be 'coaching' Petra. Lately, I don't see her improving in any area of her game; mentally, strategically, whatever!!!

More and more I see Petra as just a lazy, complacent redneck from Fulnek who is content to make a nice living finishing in the top five like Tomas Berdych. I think we've been deceiving ourselves that she's something special like the next coming of Martina or Steffi. Thank god her pride finally wakes up when it comes time to play Fed Cup. But, why can't she play like that the rest of the season? The answer is just maddening. :eek:

:fiery: Hey Petra! Do like Maria and hire a REAL coach, not a babysitter. Kotyza sucks!!! And so do you lately!!! Wake up!!! :fiery:

Queen Petra Fan
Jun 19th, 2012, 06:23 PM
I had arrived at the same observation coming off last year that Petra would be the dominant player for the next decade. However, this was ere Maria recovered her serve in Stuttgart and the emergence of Mona Barthel, who I thought would be a major player down the road. Yet, Mona has performed like a scrub for the last 3 tourneys (Strasbourg, the French and Eastbourne) giving me pause and Petra has not looked good this year, period, playing scratchy, error-laden tennis. Yes, she's still young, but one cannot account for the continued sloppy play from match-to-match, which makes me wonder how does she practice? Why the sloppy errors? Why doesn't she have control of her ground game? Why the lack of execution on the simplest of returns? She and Mona just pass these bad performances off like it's nothing, "just tennis" is the summation of their responses after bad losses. Smh..... It leaves one not knowing what to expect from her and others in a generally, sloppy and unpredictable Tour at the moment.

THIS is what I'm talking about! Like he said x 10 . . . It's inexcusable for a player of Petra's caliber (unless we've greatly misjudged her caliber as I suspect).

Melange
Jun 19th, 2012, 06:28 PM
Would enjoy watching a Petra/Maria final at 2012 Wimbledon and hopefully it's more competitive and entertaining this time around.

if they meet i dont want it to be competitive and entertaining at all because the FO match was not

TennisAddict84
Jun 19th, 2012, 06:58 PM
Reading the posts, clearly emotions running high for all her fans - the start to the grass season has been a mess. A lot of fans clearly disappointed & despairing - my self-included. I have clearly learned after AO, this is not going to be a painless journey with kvitty. So at this low point lets keep the faith that she will make improvements albeit at some time in the future & can depend on our support. She is what she is at present - I honestly do not know where the solutions will come from ... as I am not sure if she is happy coasting along in the Top 10 or wants to be a multi slam champ!.


That's the key I think. At this point, I'm not sure how much Petra wants it. She keeps on saying her goal is just to improve, but you wonder if that's just it. Does she have the ambition and commitment to win multiple GS, be a future no. 1, and dominate the tour? It's hard to tell. With her talent/ability/skill set, she could easily win 10 slams across all the surfaces, but she could also end up with just 1-3 and retire by 26, 27 to get married and have kids.

Yes, today was her first match on grass against a tough opponent, but Petra had the match in her hands. Petra said she didn't expect much, but that's just inexcusable given how Petra was leading 4-2 first set, and the majority of the games that followed in the match. She was just beating herself and giving points, games away to Makarova. I don't know. I mean looking at today's loss, her loss against Lucie in Madrid, and her 3 consecutive losses to Sharapova this season, you just have to wonder whether Petra has enough mental fortitude/killer instinct. In those instances, she felt awkward playing a friend (Madrid), did not play the right shot or made a huge UE on BP opportunities (AO, Stuttgart), or was unwilling to problem solve/adjust when things weren't going well (FO, Eastbourne).

It just seems that at times, Petra just refuses to go into a second gear or a plan B, or just play with a little more margin when things aren't going her way. She just continues to try to hit her way through everything even when she's missing by several feet. But then other times like during AO and FO, Petra was not playing that well but still managed to get to the SF. But then I wonder, if she had received tougher opponents in both draws, would Petra have gotten away with her level of play and still get to the semis? Hard to gauge how deep Kvitova is willing to dig and just how much of a champion's resolve she has.

Not sure what Kvitova's team is doing for her at this point. Maybe she needs to get a fresh perspective. Of course, I hope today's match was just a fluke and that Petra will be prepared at Wimbledon, and make a deep run, but I just don't know anymore. Her game ATM on a mental and physical level is just not heading in the right direction. I mean grass is supposed to be her oasis--it's tailor made for her big, aggressive game so when she loses in the manner that she lost today, it's just a bad sign IMO.

Petronius
Jun 19th, 2012, 07:08 PM
THIS is what I'm talking about! Like he said x 10 . . . It's inexcusable for a player of Petra's caliber (unless we've greatly misjudged her caliber as I suspect).

How many slam finals had Ivan Lendl lost before his epic triumph at Roland Garros in 1984 when he beat Mc Enroe after being down 2 sets to love? :oh:

TennisAddict84
Jun 19th, 2012, 07:11 PM
As usual, Kotyza had Petra tuned as tight as a fiddle. Fully prepared (for failure). :sad:

I'm really starting to not like that tubby, lazy ball of shit who is supposed to be 'coaching' Petra. Lately, I don't see her improving in any area of her game; mentally, strategically, whatever!!!

More and more I see Petra as just a lazy, complacent redneck from Fulnek who is content to make a nice living finishing in the top five like Tomas Berdych. I think we've been deceiving ourselves that she's something special like the next coming of Martina or Steffi. Thank god her pride finally wakes up when it comes time to play Fed Cup. But, why can't she play like that the rest of the season? The answer is just maddening. :eek:

:fiery: Hey Petra! Do like Maria and hire a REAL coach, not a babysitter. Kotyza sucks!!! And so do you lately!!! Wake up!!! :fiery:

Yeah, if she could just fuel the same desire she has for Fed Cup into her tour matches, I think her season would already look different. But she just seems to have less pride for herself than for her country. Petra really needs to be more selfish and think about her own success.

Kotyza is starting to really disappoint me too :( Maybe he needs to start screaming at Petra and shake her up, instead of acting all calm lol But not sure if that would just make Petra angry or make her focus to get her shit together. Petra didn't exactly channel her anger well in the FO semi against that incorrect line call...

Petra should just hire Navratilova to teach her overall tactics and Davenport to teach her to be a clean, consistent ball striker :drool:

Melange
Jun 19th, 2012, 07:40 PM
At this point an Agassi-type rollercoaster is quite likely. Going through patches of peak form where she is so brilliant people think she is going to dominate indefinitely, followed by first round losses, health problems and awful form. I think she will be hard pressed to equal his eight titles though, if she cant breathe properly at AO and USO. She might have the same problem as he did, of not being able to maintain the white-hot brilliance for long periods.

steni
Jun 19th, 2012, 07:42 PM
Petra lost on purpose so she can go home to see her fucking bf, the only thing she cares about...

steni
Jun 19th, 2012, 07:44 PM
Kotyza and Ivanko needs to get their shit together... And realizes that Petra isnt going to anywhere playing like a retard!

TennisAddict84
Jun 19th, 2012, 07:44 PM
At this point an Agassi-type rollercoaster is quite likely. Going through patches of peak form where she is so brilliant people think she is going to dominate indefinitely, followed by first round losses, health problems and awful form. I think she will be hard pressed to equal his eight titles though, if she cant breathe properly at AO and USO.

Very true. Well, Djokovic used to have asthma too and was able to get over his breathing problems. Surely, Petra can do the same if she hires the right person?

TennisAddict84
Jun 19th, 2012, 07:48 PM
Petra lost on purpose so she can go home to see her fucking bf, the only thing she cares about...

:lol: yea maybe

Kotyza and Ivanko needs to get their shit together... And realizes that Petra isnt going to anywhere playing like a retard!

Or Petra should just fire them and get a new perspective.

steni
Jun 19th, 2012, 07:51 PM
:lol: yea maybe



Or Petra should just fire them and get a new perspective.

She wont never do that, are u kidding me?

TennisAddict84
Jun 19th, 2012, 08:03 PM
She wont never do that, are u kidding me?

Yeah, she's too nice and giving to ever do that. Just always thinking about others before herself, which is exactly what makes her personality so appealing. But it's not good for her career! She needs to act like more of a boss both ON and OFF the court and take charge! She needs to fulfill her potential and be a multiple GS champion! lol

18majors
Jun 19th, 2012, 08:09 PM
I had arrived at the same observation coming off last year that Petra would be the dominant player for the next decade. However, this was ere Maria recovered her serve in Stuttgart and the emergence of Mona Barthel, who I thought would be a major player down the road. Yet, Mona has performed like a scrub for the last 3 tourneys (Strasbourg, the French and Eastbourne) giving me pause and Petra has not looked good this year, period, playing scratchy, error-laden tennis. Yes, she's still young, but one cannot account for the continued sloppy play from match-to-match, which makes me wonder how does she practice? Why the sloppy errors? Why doesn't she have control of her ground game? Why the lack of execution on the simplest of returns? She and Mona just pass these bad performances off like it's nothing, "just tennis" is the summation of their responses after bad losses. Smh..... It leaves one not knowing what to expect from her and others in a generally, sloppy and unpredictable Tour at the moment.

Unfortunately, tennis players struggled through bad periods from time to time. I lived through Maria's nightmare from March 2008 to April 2012 before Stuttgart, it felt like hopeless forever.

Petra's fans are spoiled, because in 2011 Petra always recovered from slumps quickly and won big tournaments soon after. Petra's fans are concerned that Petra hasn't won a tournament since 2011 YEC, but that's only 8 months ago. It's peanut compared to Maria, who waited for 4 years and 5 months before she won her fourth slam.

There is alsolutely no question Petra has the build and the tools to dominate WTA but it's also not unusual for her to encounter turbulent periods from time to time.

steni
Jun 19th, 2012, 08:11 PM
I twitted to Martina asking her if she would like to coach Petra lol

TennisAddict84
Jun 19th, 2012, 08:16 PM
I twitted to Martina asking her if she would like to coach Petra lol

LOL! Hell, on TC, Martina said she would give Petra free advice! But Petra has never reached out to her, obviously in respect to David. But I mean at this point, she needs to push David aside and get some Navratilova insight ;)

steni
Jun 19th, 2012, 08:17 PM
Yeah, she's too nice and giving to ever do that. Just always thinking about others before herself, which is exactly what makes her personality so appealing. But it's not good for her career! She needs to act like more of a boss both ON and OFF the court and take charge! She needs to fulfill her potential and be a multiple GS champion! lol

She should add someone to her team to help her cause Im not sure if Kotyza has the experience to coach a top ten player... Which players he coached before Petra?

TennisAddict84
Jun 19th, 2012, 09:25 PM
She should add someone to her team to help her cause Im not sure if Kotyza has the experience to coach a top ten player... Which players he coached before Petra?

Yeah, not aware of him coaching other tour players before Petra. Maybe I'm wrong. I mean, he's done a great job getting her to the top 5 and winning a GS, but yea I agree, I think she may need someone more experienced to take her to the next level.

Petronius
Jun 19th, 2012, 10:24 PM
Match report by StephenUK:

Kvitova v Makarova

I was looking forward to seeing this match, Kvitova's first grass match against the former Eastbourne champion Makarova, whom I saw beating Sam Stosur on this court during that brilliant sequence.

Such a shame that this match never lived up to its billing. Kvitova did show flashes of why she is Wimbledon champion, overpowering the Russian at times from the baseline and hitting the odd thunderous serve. And the match was certainly mostly on her racket as she seemed to dictate the outcome of most of the points. Unfortunately, this was largely in the negative due to a very poor performance. Slow and ponderous in movement around the court, barely stretching or moving up to some balls which seemed to be quite near her, her footwork was also a mess and she was also very slow to react, looking as though she was expecting balls to come at her at clay speed and was shocked that the balls were coming too fast for her, she got all caught up in herself too many times! Her return of serve was absolutely dire, so many in the net or ballooned over the baseline. Her game was so shaky that all Makarova had to do a lot of the time was keep the ball in play for a sustained rally and eventually Petra would provide the error. She lacked intensity and fight, the match was virtually barkless, apart from saving a set point in the first set and when she won one of her few really good games to break Makarova when she served for the match at 5-3 in the second set. She was totally devoid of the champion's alleged ability to play their best on the big points, as she seemed to save her worst tennis for when she held break points or game points and repeatedly let Makarova back into games and then the match with her sloppiness.
The sad thing is that she started reasonably brightly, breaking to lead 4-2 but and was close to leading 5-2 with another break, as she had 0-30 on Makarova's serve when she left a ball that she could easily have hit for a volley, which she thought was going out, but it then landed in.
All is clearly not well in the world of Petra Kvitova. She looks flabby, unfit and unhappy, she may still be injured, it is not surprising that she has not won a tournament this year, the surprise is that she has made two grand slam semis. She certainly seems to have declined since last year, there is virtually no sign of the brilliance that won Wimbledon 2011.
As for Makarova, she clearly knows how to play on grass and her good record on the surface meant that she had the confidence to go for the win. She hit some great service returns as well at times. But for the most part, this match was all about Kvitova's poor play.

TennisAddict84
Jun 19th, 2012, 10:38 PM
Match report by StephenUK:

Kvitova v Makarova

I was looking forward to seeing this match, Kvitova's first grass match against the former Eastbourne champion Makarova, whom I saw beating Sam Stosur on this court during that brilliant sequence.

Such a shame that this match never lived up to its billing. Kvitova did show flashes of why she is Wimbledon champion, overpowering the Russian at times from the baseline and hitting the odd thunderous serve. And the match was certainly mostly on her racket as she seemed to dictate the outcome of most of the points. Unfortunately, this was largely in the negative due to a very poor performance. Slow and ponderous in movement around the court, barely stretching or moving up to some balls which seemed to be quite near her, her footwork was also a mess and she was also very slow to react, looking as though she was expecting balls to come at her at clay speed and was shocked that the balls were coming too fast for her, she got all caught up in herself too many times! Her return of serve was absolutely dire, so many in the net or ballooned over the baseline. Her game was so shaky that all Makarova had to do a lot of the time was keep the ball in play for a sustained rally and eventually Petra would provide the error. She lacked intensity and fight, the match was virtually barkless, apart from saving a set point in the first set and when she won one of her few really good games to break Makarova when she served for the match at 5-3 in the second set. She was totally devoid of the champion's alleged ability to play their best on the big points, as she seemed to save her worst tennis for when she held break points or game points and repeatedly let Makarova back into games and then the match with her sloppiness.
The sad thing is that she started reasonably brightly, breaking to lead 4-2 but and was close to leading 5-2 with another break, as she had 0-30 on Makarova's serve when she left a ball that she could easily have hit for a volley, which she thought was going out, but it then landed in.
All is clearly not well in the world of Petra Kvitova. She looks flabby, unfit and unhappy, she may still be injured, it is not surprising that she has not won a tournament this year, the surprise is that she has made two grand slam semis. She certainly seems to have declined since last year, there is virtually no sign of the brilliance that won Wimbledon 2011.
As for Makarova, she clearly knows how to play on grass and her good record on the surface meant that she had the confidence to go for the win. She hit some great service returns as well at times. But for the most part, this match was all about Kvitova's poor play.

Great in depth analysis here, completely detailing what the hell happened to Petra today. For me, what is most troubling was her lack of fight today.

steni
Jun 19th, 2012, 10:52 PM
Match report by StephenUK:

Kvitova v Makarova

I was looking forward to seeing this match, Kvitova's first grass match against the former Eastbourne champion Makarova, whom I saw beating Sam Stosur on this court during that brilliant sequence.

Such a shame that this match never lived up to its billing. Kvitova did show flashes of why she is Wimbledon champion, overpowering the Russian at times from the baseline and hitting the odd thunderous serve. And the match was certainly mostly on her racket as she seemed to dictate the outcome of most of the points. Unfortunately, this was largely in the negative due to a very poor performance. Slow and ponderous in movement around the court, barely stretching or moving up to some balls which seemed to be quite near her, her footwork was also a mess and she was also very slow to react, looking as though she was expecting balls to come at her at clay speed and was shocked that the balls were coming too fast for her, she got all caught up in herself too many times! Her return of serve was absolutely dire, so many in the net or ballooned over the baseline. Her game was so shaky that all Makarova had to do a lot of the time was keep the ball in play for a sustained rally and eventually Petra would provide the error. She lacked intensity and fight, the match was virtually barkless, apart from saving a set point in the first set and when she won one of her few really good games to break Makarova when she served for the match at 5-3 in the second set. She was totally devoid of the champion's alleged ability to play their best on the big points, as she seemed to save her worst tennis for when she held break points or game points and repeatedly let Makarova back into games and then the match with her sloppiness.
The sad thing is that she started reasonably brightly, breaking to lead 4-2 but and was close to leading 5-2 with another break, as she had 0-30 on Makarova's serve when she left a ball that she could easily have hit for a volley, which she thought was going out, but it then landed in.
All is clearly not well in the world of Petra Kvitova. She looks flabby, unfit and unhappy, she may still be injured, it is not surprising that she has not won a tournament this year, the surprise is that she has made two grand slam semis. She certainly seems to have declined since last year, there is virtually no sign of the brilliance that won Wimbledon 2011.
As for Makarova, she clearly knows how to play on grass and her good record on the surface meant that she had the confidence to go for the win. She hit some great service returns as well at times. But for the most part, this match was all about Kvitova's poor play.

:sad: this is not good! Poor Petra everybody is expecting so much from her and she cant deliver! Who know whats going on through her head when she is in the match...

Barktra
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:17 PM
Tennis Channel is re showing the Wimbledon final from last year. What happened to her :tape: even after 1 year, this performance stills takes my breath away.

Melange
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:23 PM
She looked ok at FO. She must have been eating cake nonstop for a week.

ArcticMoose
Jun 19th, 2012, 11:30 PM
I know there is some very good critiquing here but does she read her subforum on TF? - are you guys posting your thoughts on her Facebook site - as she's more likely to read them - especially about bringing outside help such as Martina & the future of Kotyza & Ivanko....someone needs to get through to her.....:help:

HowardH
Jun 20th, 2012, 12:11 AM
I don't think she reads TF. When her fans are feeling emotional it's probably for the best that she doesn't read what her fans say, even though there might be the odd piece of good advice, it would just be too emotional for her to read how much her losses affect her fans.

Remember that Makarova is a far above average grasscourt player, so you just can't play a bad grass match against her or you'll lose. She's dangerous, a bit of an upset artist.

Anyway, it would be weird for decisions to come from suggestions from fans. Any decisions and changes in her training etc have to come from Petra herself or from her personal team. That's just how it works.

Although this is not ideal preparation, considering she has made two GS semis I think she's doing alright this year at least at majors. If she loses early in Wimbledon/Olympics then it's time to reassess her plans. Otherwise I will presume that the slam setup with easy first rounds helps her to get her teeth into the tournament which helps to prevent those early round losses (assuming she doesn't get a dangerous grasscourt floater like Pironkova or Makarova early). I'm still expecting her to get her stuff somewhat together for a good run (SF hopefully, less than QF would be disappointing) in Wimbledon. We'll see.

I'm betting that her fh starts working in Wimbledon. They'll be working on it no doubt.

TennisAddict84
Jun 20th, 2012, 12:27 AM
:sad: this is not good! Poor Petra everybody is expecting so much from her and she cant deliver! Who know whats going on through her head when she is in the match...

May be lacking confidence right now and unsure of her game. I think the fact that she hasn't reached a final all year long and won a single title might also be playing on her mind. Obviously, this is all just speculation at this point. Maybe she simply wasn't feeling it today.

Valanga
Jun 20th, 2012, 09:33 AM
The crowd was so disappointed yesterday. I didnt see the first set so all I saw were errors and lame footwork

bruce goose
Jun 20th, 2012, 12:10 PM
I don't think she reads TF. When her fans are feeling emotional it's probably for the best that she doesn't read what her fans say, even though there might be the odd piece of good advice, it would just be too emotional for her to read how much her losses affect her fans.

Anyway, it would be weird for decisions to come from suggestions from fans. Any decisions and changes in her training etc have to come from Petra herself or from her personal team. That's just how it works.

Although this is not ideal preparation, considering she has made two GS semis I think she's doing alright this year at least at majors. If she loses early in Wimbledon/Olympics then it's time to reassess her plans. Otherwise I will presume that the slam setup with easy first rounds helps her to get her teeth into the tournament which helps to prevent those early round losses (assuming she doesn't get a dangerous grasscourt floater like Pironkova or Makarova early). I'm still expecting her to get her stuff somewhat together for a good run (SF hopefully, less than QF would be disappointing) in Wimbledon. We'll see.

I'm betting that her fh starts working in Wimbledon. They'll be working on it no doubt.Agree with the comments that Petra wouldn't allow herself to be significantly influenced by fan postings.She might get curious once in a while and browse through...and she's only human so she might be hurt for a moment by a classless,hateful post,but she's got a good network of love and support in her life...plus she's got fairly decent self-belief,it seems...so fan pages won't have any undue impact on Petra......Unlike with a few of those pathetic glamour queens who miss tourneys left and right and whose entire existence is dependent upon receiving mindless,slobbering adoration from their promo "work";)

Queen Petra Fan
Jun 21st, 2012, 07:48 AM
How many slam finals had Ivan Lendl lost before his epic triumph at Roland Garros in 1984 when he beat Mc Enroe after being down 2 sets to love? :oh:


Well, since you asked Petronius, here's a summary of Lendl's performances before he won his first GS:

Lendl first came to the tennis world's attention as an outstanding junior player. In 1978, he won the boys' singles titles at both the French Open and Wimbledon and was ranked the World No. 1 junior player.

Lendl made an almost immediate impact on the game after turning professional. After reaching his first top-level singles final in 1979, he won seven singles titles in 1980, including three tournament wins in three consecutive weeks on three different surfaces. The success continued in 1981 as he won 10 titles including his first season ending Masters Grand Prix tour title defeating Vitas Gerulaitis in five sets.

In 1982, he won 15 of the 23 singles tournaments he entered and had a 44-match winning streak.

He competed on the separate World Championship Tennis (WCT) tour where he won all 10 WCT tournaments he entered, including winning his first WCT Finals where he defeated John McEnroe in straight sets. He met McEnroe again in the Masters Grand Prix final and won in straight sets to claim his second season ending championship of that particular tour.

In an era when tournament prize money was rising sharply due to the competition between 2 circuits (Grand Prix and WCT), Lendl's haul of titles quickly made him the highest-earning tennis player of all time.

He won another seven tournaments in 1983.

But Grand Slam titles eluded Lendl in the early years of his career. He reached his first Grand Slam final at the French Open in 1981, where he lost in five sets to Bjrn Borg. His second came at the US Open in 1982, where he was defeated by Jimmy Connors. In 1983, he was the runner-up at both the Australian Open (Winner:Mats Wilander)and the US Open (Winner:Jimmy Connors).

Lendl's first Grand Slam title came at the 1984 French Open, where he defeated John McEnroe in a long final to claim what was arguably his best victory. Down two sets to love and later trailing 42 in the fourth set, Lendl battled back to claim the title 36, 26, 64, 75, 75.

Pretty impressive, no?

To compare Petra's career to Lendl's at this point is ridiculous. To compare Petra's drive to succeed, consistency and physical conditioning to Lendl's is even more ridiculous. She could learn a lot from talking to one of the all-time greats of the game who had to earn his victories by beating the best of the best. Lendl pushed himself like a madman to achieve his results. He was not a 'natural' at the sport. His success came from conditioning and practicing to become as perfect as he could be. That's how he beat the best of the best and that's why he's always been, and always will be, my favorite player.

The bottom line is Petra and her team have a lot to work on. She needs to work harder and get her mind straight. She is not even close to being the player she could be at the moment and the results reflect that. Thus, Petra winning Wimbledon looks like a longshot to me at this point, but miracles sometimes happen. She can do it if she wants it bad enough. She's already proven that. And with more focus and hard work, she could even achieve greatness and tennis immortality.

:worship: Good luck becoming the best Petra!!! Go win Wimbledon!!! :worship:

Coconut91
Jun 21st, 2012, 09:43 AM
How do you expect her to do at Wimbledon guys? She looks vulnerable, uninspired. Nothing like last year, but the worst part is not knowing why, exactly. Anyway, I'm glad she's having another chance on grass at the Olympics. Hopefully she can do well at least at one of these two big events. :)

Melange
Jun 21st, 2012, 11:21 AM
Catwalk draw to semi then lose without reaching top form

paulmara
Jun 21st, 2012, 11:40 AM
Catwalk draw to semi then lose without reaching top form
or Kim Clijsters in round one

steni
Jun 21st, 2012, 01:09 PM
Well, since you asked Petronius, here's a summary of Lendl's performances before he won his first GS:

Lendl first came to the tennis world's attention as an outstanding junior player. In 1978, he won the boys' singles titles at both the French Open and Wimbledon and was ranked the World No. 1 junior player.

Lendl made an almost immediate impact on the game after turning professional. After reaching his first top-level singles final in 1979, he won seven singles titles in 1980, including three tournament wins in three consecutive weeks on three different surfaces. The success continued in 1981 as he won 10 titles including his first season ending Masters Grand Prix tour title defeating Vitas Gerulaitis in five sets.

In 1982, he won 15 of the 23 singles tournaments he entered and had a 44-match winning streak.

He competed on the separate World Championship Tennis (WCT) tour where he won all 10 WCT tournaments he entered, including winning his first WCT Finals where he defeated John McEnroe in straight sets. He met McEnroe again in the Masters Grand Prix final and won in straight sets to claim his second season ending championship of that particular tour.

In an era when tournament prize money was rising sharply due to the competition between 2 circuits (Grand Prix and WCT), Lendl's haul of titles quickly made him the highest-earning tennis player of all time.

He won another seven tournaments in 1983.

But Grand Slam titles eluded Lendl in the early years of his career. He reached his first Grand Slam final at the French Open in 1981, where he lost in five sets to Bjrn Borg. His second came at the US Open in 1982, where he was defeated by Jimmy Connors. In 1983, he was the runner-up at both the Australian Open (Winner:Mats Wilander)and the US Open (Winner:Jimmy Connors).

Lendl's first Grand Slam title came at the 1984 French Open, where he defeated John McEnroe in a long final to claim what was arguably his best victory. Down two sets to love and later trailing 42 in the fourth set, Lendl battled back to claim the title 36, 26, 64, 75, 75.

Pretty impressive, no?

To compare Petra's career to Lendl's at this point is ridiculous. To compare Petra's drive to succeed, consistency and physical conditioning to Lendl's is even more ridiculous. She could learn a lot from talking to one of the all-time greats of the game who had to earn his victories by beating the best of the best. Lendl pushed himself like a madman to achieve his results. He was not a 'natural' at the sport. His success came from conditioning and practicing to become as perfect as he could be. That's how he beat the best of the best and that's why he's always been, and always will be, my favorite player.

The bottom line is Petra and her team have a lot to work on. She needs to work harder and get her mind straight. She is not even close to being the player she could be at the moment and the results reflect that. Thus, Petra winning Wimbledon looks like a longshot to me at this point, but miracles sometimes happen. She can do it if she wants it bad enough. She's already proven that. And with more focus and hard work, she could even achieve greatness and tennis immortality.

:worship: Good luck becoming the best Petra!!! Go win Wimbledon!!! :worship:

She is always talking about improving her game, but I haven't seen any improvement. She and the team got lazy, or maybe she doesn't have enough time to focus on tennis...

Petronius
Jun 21st, 2012, 01:28 PM
How do you expect her to do at Wimbledon guys? She looks vulnerable, uninspired. Nothing like last year, but the worst part is not knowing why, exactly. Anyway, I'm glad she's having another chance on grass at the Olympics. Hopefully she can do well at least at one of these two big events. :)

I think she will definitely step it up. The magic of Wimbledon will give her extra push. I agree that she'll be vulnerable in early rounds, if she plays against a tough floater (Clijsters etc.) due to lack of matchplay on grass. Otherwise I expect her to have a great tournament, she's a big match player. Also, she just achieved her best ever result at Roland Garros and hasn't had so much time to adjust for grass like Makarova and others. After her loss in Eastbourne she's having a whole week to get her act together.

Something's telling me that she will make the final and lose to Sharapova :lol:

Melange
Jun 21st, 2012, 01:32 PM
She is always talking about improving her game, but I haven't seen any improvement. She and the team got lazy, or maybe she doesn't have enough time to focus on tennis...

Woz always talks about working harder after every grand slam exit.

18majors
Jun 21st, 2012, 01:53 PM
I think she will definitely step it up. The magic of Wimbledon will give her extra push. I agree that she'll be vulnerable in early rounds, if she plays against a tough floater (Clijsters etc.) due to lack of matchplay on grass. Otherwise I expect her to have a great tournament, she's a big match player. Also, she just achieved her best ever result at Roland Garros and hasn't had so much time to adjust for grass like Makarova and others. After her loss in Eastbourne she's having a whole week to get her act together.

Something's telling me that she will make the final and lose to Sharapova :lol:

I like that draw with Petra on the bottom half, although I'm not as sure as Petronius on the outcome of the final.

Excelscior
Jun 21st, 2012, 02:20 PM
The crowd was so disappointed yesterday. I didnt see the first set so all I saw were errors and lame footwork

This is the part I don't understand about Petra being so up for Fed Cup, but not herself.

Does she realize that people like/love, wanna seer her do well?

What about disappointing them with your lack of effort (as opposed to your teammates)? Where's her personal pride?

Tennisaddict84 was right. Petra was leading most of Makarova service games in the 2nd second set (with Makarova serving 70mph 2nd serves at that), and Petra still couldn't take advantage and lost. And of course Petra should of won the first set 6-2.

You don't have to win everything, but just compete or play well. And Petra didn't. She just wasn't mentally strong, there. And the sad part was, Makarova was ready to fold in the first set. But once she saw Petra wasn't fighting, kept making mistakes, and not taking advantage of Makarova's puff ball second serves, Ekat hung in there and mostly pushed. She should of been totally outclassed.

Oh well. :eek:

Excelscior
Jun 21st, 2012, 02:49 PM
Well, since you asked Petronius, here's a summary of Lendl's performances before he won his first GS:

Lendl first came to the tennis world's attention as an outstanding junior player. In 1978, he won the boys' singles titles at both the French Open and Wimbledon and was ranked the World No. 1 junior player.

Lendl made an almost immediate impact on the game after turning professional. After reaching his first top-level singles final in 1979, he won seven singles titles in 1980, including three tournament wins in three consecutive weeks on three different surfaces. The success continued in 1981 as he won 10 titles including his first season ending Masters Grand Prix tour title defeating Vitas Gerulaitis in five sets.

In 1982, he won 15 of the 23 singles tournaments he entered and had a 44-match winning streak.

He competed on the separate World Championship Tennis (WCT) tour where he won all 10 WCT tournaments he entered, including winning his first WCT Finals where he defeated John McEnroe in straight sets. He met McEnroe again in the Masters Grand Prix final and won in straight sets to claim his second season ending championship of that particular tour.

In an era when tournament prize money was rising sharply due to the competition between 2 circuits (Grand Prix and WCT), Lendl's haul of titles quickly made him the highest-earning tennis player of all time.

He won another seven tournaments in 1983.

But Grand Slam titles eluded Lendl in the early years of his career. He reached his first Grand Slam final at the French Open in 1981, where he lost in five sets to Bjrn Borg. His second came at the US Open in 1982, where he was defeated by Jimmy Connors. In 1983, he was the runner-up at both the Australian Open (Winner:Mats Wilander)and the US Open (Winner:Jimmy Connors).

Lendl's first Grand Slam title came at the 1984 French Open, where he defeated John McEnroe in a long final to claim what was arguably his best victory. Down two sets to love and later trailing 42 in the fourth set, Lendl battled back to claim the title 36, 26, 64, 75, 75.

Pretty impressive, no?

To compare Petra's career to Lendl's at this point is ridiculous. To compare Petra's drive to succeed, consistency and physical conditioning to Lendl's is even more ridiculous. She could learn a lot from talking to one of the all-time greats of the game who had to earn his victories by beating the best of the best. Lendl pushed himself like a madman to achieve his results. He was not a 'natural' at the sport. His success came from conditioning and practicing to become as perfect as he could be. That's how he beat the best of the best and that's why he's always been, and always will be, my favorite player.

The bottom line is Petra and her team have a lot to work on. She needs to work harder and get her mind straight. She is not even close to being the player she could be at the moment and the results reflect that. Thus, Petra winning Wimbledon looks like a longshot to me at this point, but miracles sometimes happen. She can do it if she wants it bad enough. She's already proven that. And with more focus and hard work, she could even achieve greatness and tennis immortality.

:worship: Good luck becoming the best Petra!!! Go win Wimbledon!!! :worship:

The irony is, she was a much better player last year, than she has been this year, by far. It's not that she's losing to people that are outplaying her, compared to last year. She isn't. She's just not playing nearly as well.

Last year, Petra won the tough matches, had numerous GOATRA performances, and was so strong willed when behind or on either break point opportunities. She would just never let you get the advantage against her. This year not so much. And we know what her top 10 record was (13-5). Not so much this year, at 0-5.

Hopefully, this is just her down year after a first major Championship. But it's a shame. Because so far this year, she's just a shadow of her former self. But you were at least hoping she could pluck an Eastbourne, Wimby and Olympic title (as Masha did during Clay, and Vika did during the Early HC season). Yeah, if she had to struggle the first half of the year, at least dominate your specialty, as the others (except Aga of course, who's dominated nothing/no particular surface).

In fairness, Petra could of got knocked out of Eastbourne early and numerous times last year (she played a lot of tiebreaks), but luckily she played players who probably were playing their first grass tournament like her, along with Petra's stronger will to win, in especially fighting the wind.

Ironically, it was all those matches at Eastboourne last year that prepared Petra to play so well at Wimbledon. So it will be interesting to see, what this rag tag Makarova match (and Petra's current weaker mentality) will do to her game at SW19? Even in 2010, after playing very poorly during the year, she found herself (albeit she didn't play nearly as well or cleanly as she did in 2011), to dust off several top 10 players, and make a very good accounting of herself vs Serena in the semi-finals. Now of course, Petra had no fame, expectations or self reflection in 2010, as we all know, as well. :lol:

Back to Eastbourne. The game was definitely there against Makarova (should of won a routine 6-2 1st set), and seemed like it wanted to creep out, by her leading early in so many of Makarova's service games in both the 1st and 2nd set. But Petra was just fighting herself. And I don't want to make too much of it either, cause hopefully she can get back her grass game in the early rds of Wimby (if she doesn't inexplicably feel the pressure and implode).

So we'll see?

Excelscior
Jun 21st, 2012, 02:51 PM
I think she will definitely step it up. The magic of Wimbledon will give her extra push. I agree that she'll be vulnerable in early rounds, if she plays against a tough floater (Clijsters etc.) due to lack of matchplay on grass. Otherwise I expect her to have a great tournament, she's a big match player. Also, she just achieved her best ever result at Roland Garros and hasn't had so much time to adjust for grass like Makarova and others. After her loss in Eastbourne she's having a whole week to get her act together.

Something's telling me that she will make the final and lose to Sharapova :lol:

Not sure if you're being cute. :lol: But even after the year both have had, if Petra makes it to the finals of Wimby, she's not losing to Sharapova, trust me. :lol:

The surface suits Petra too well (if she's playing well, than that would make her even that much tougher to beat).

But I don't want to argue that, cause of course, that would be us getting waaaaaay ahead of ourselves, before any tennis is played there.

But I hope your right, on Petra getting into the crowd at Wimby (as opposed to the expectations). Man! Petra can be so mental and simple, as well as difficult sometimes (especially this year). Geeesh! :lol:

steni
Jun 21st, 2012, 03:02 PM
Woz always talks about working harder after every grand slam exit.

So:confused: Im not a Wozniacki fan!

ArcticMoose
Jun 21st, 2012, 03:27 PM
:) Draw comes out in less than 24 hrs so we should know if this will be a very short or very long two wimby weeks for us kvitty fans :D lots of prayers please for a kvitty friendly draw!!:lol:

Excelscior
Jun 21st, 2012, 03:59 PM
:) Draw comes out in less than 24 hrs so we should know if this will be a very short or very long two wimby weeks for us kvitty fans :D lots of prayers please for a kvitty friendly draw!!:lol:

Now I wanna see now if Petra gets a bunch of Aga, Vika bottom half draws, since she got so many semi-final matches against Sharapova, when Maria was ranked/seeded #2, and Petra #4? :lol: :rolleyes: :lol:

steni
Jun 21st, 2012, 04:07 PM
I just hope that Serena, Clijsters, Venus and Sharapova are not in Petra's draw... pleaseeeeeee

Excelscior
Jun 21st, 2012, 04:32 PM
I just hope that Serena, Clijsters, Venus and Sharapova are not in Petra's draw... pleaseeeeeee

Now, you're asking for too much (though it's possible). :lol:

C'mon, you gotta beat somebody to win a Major (though I can see ALL the players you mentioned being knocked out early, anyway). :eek:

TennisAddict84
Jun 21st, 2012, 06:01 PM
I can totally see Petra doing better at the Olympics than at Wimbledon this year since her mentality is so different when she's playing for her country than for herself.

Melange
Jun 21st, 2012, 08:01 PM
Now, you're asking for too much (though it's possible). :lol:

C'mon, you gotta beat somebody to win a Major (though I can see ALL the players you mentioned being knocked out early, anyway). :eek:

i would ignore it


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paulmara
Jun 22nd, 2012, 09:51 AM
Round 1 Akgul Amanmuradova 190cm

Petronius
Jun 22nd, 2012, 09:52 AM
Petra-Serena QF :sobbing:

aloeball
Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:10 AM
Petra-Serena QF :sobbing:

I'm crying too !! Why didnt those bitches pova and vika draw serena instead and hopefully get an asswhooping.

Wanted my girls to be in the finals togetherr

Petronius
Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:13 AM
I'm crying too !! Why didnt those bitches pova and vika draw serena instead and hopefully get an asswhooping.

Wanted my girls to be in the finals togetherr

It would be an amazing final :(

ArcticMoose
Jun 22nd, 2012, 10:36 AM
Petra has at some stage got to face Serena - I'd rather she has a go at Wimby (whatever the outcome) as a preparation for the Olympic Gold. If Petra loses at the QF it will no doubt hurt her & may be that could be a good outcome for self-introspection & making some hard decisions on her team make-up. She is going to lose heaps of points & slide down the rankings but that could be the wakeup call she needs for her own good on the long run.... I'd rather she loose to Serena than Pironkova etal as there should be no shame in going out at the slam to a muti-slam champ on grass....

Petronius
Jun 22nd, 2012, 12:52 PM
It seems that Petra will play all her matches on Centre Court (starts on Tuesday). Can she handle the pressure? She'll be closely watched from the very first round.

18majors
Jun 22nd, 2012, 03:26 PM
It seems that Petra will play all her matches on Centre Court (starts on Tuesday). Can she handle the pressure? She'll be closely watched from the very first round.

That's the way to defend her title, potentially Petra needs to beat Serena at QF, Vika SF and Maria F. Last year, Petra beat Pironkova, Vika and Maria.

Synth
Jun 22nd, 2012, 03:37 PM
Let's go Kvitty! It'll be tough. But I'll be rooting for you each step of the way!

(Still have my doubts, unfortunately.... :( )

Excelscior
Jun 22nd, 2012, 05:02 PM
I find it amusing how everyone is so upset about Serena.

Mind you, Petra has avoided her at most majors before this (as someone earlier said; though you can also say "Serena has avoided Petra, the way she's been playing at majors lately), so it had to happen sometime. And Let's face it. There's no dyed in the wool guarantee that either one of them would make so emphatically make it to the quarterfinals (particularly Serena), till we at least see them play first.

Now, if Petra makes it to the quarters, she would of already had 4 matches under her belt, whereas Serena could of probably won off of soley her name and intimidation factor, and subsequently still could be sloppy by the time she plays a hopefully sharp/er Petra. This is what has happened to Serena in prior majors. But I know, everybody feels, it would be Petra's bad luck to face one of the very few people capable of beating her at Wimby, so relatively early in the quarter final, to pile on to a disappointing year up till this point. Give Petra a chance, by golly! Lol.

Seriously, if they were to meet, Petra would just have to be playing well, and take it to her, and not give Serena any confidence (particularly, if Serena wasn't playing that well). All the people that beat Serena in slams recently, took it to her, and didn't lay back. Petra (though it's usually in her nature), would have to do the same, with out the boat load of errors of course. Of course last year (which yet to be seen this year with Petra at Wimby), Petra had a lot of winners, and very few errors in the overwhelming majority of her sets and matches.

Now, Vika has an absolute Cake walk quarter again. And though Sharapova has a certainly tricky, but not scary, full of minefields quarter, she can also get knocked out by Pironkava in the 2nd rd as well.

Aga, has a relatively cake walk draw again (from what I remember); not that it really matters.

Hopefully, Petra will be playing well through out the tournament, and GOOD LUCK to Serena, in her quarter. But I think there will be many surprises at this Wimbledon. We'll see what happens?

mac47
Jun 22nd, 2012, 06:11 PM
Pova, get knocked out by Grassonkova? BWAHAHAHAHAH. Tell me another one.

Kvitty's form is horrid this whole year. Serena will be motivated and will play a "statement match" like she often does against Pova.

I am lowering my expectations. Kvitty is my favorite player, but I'm done expecting her to dominate, and her record against other top ten players is horrendous this year.

Valanga
Jun 22nd, 2012, 06:17 PM
I will be surprised if she gets beyond QF

steni
Jun 22nd, 2012, 06:44 PM
How guys see her first match? Is Akgul a tough opponent for Petra?

Petronius
Jun 22nd, 2012, 11:10 PM
Pova, get knocked out by Grassonkova? BWAHAHAHAHAH. Tell me another one.

If Pironkova is really injured, Maria will roll over her easily.

Kvitty's form is horrid this whole year. Serena will be motivated and will play a "statement match" like she often does against Pova.

I agree that Serena will be pumped up, just like against Sharapova and Azarenka in Madrid. Also, Petra can make it to the QF even WITHOUT playing particularly well and without being in great shape. Just like at RG: what was enough for beating the likes of Lepchenko, Shvedova, etc. was not sufficient to beat Maria.

I am lowering my expectations. Kvitty is my favorite player, but I'm done expecting her to dominate, and her record against other top ten players is horrendous this year.

I don't think so.

Yes, she lost three times to Sharpie - who may be having the season of her lifetime and two of these matches were very close - but:

- she beat two top 10 players at Hopman Cup (Wozniacki and Bartoli), one of whom was the reigning No.1
- she beat both Kerber and Errani (the latter two times), who are the current top 10 players
- during her loss to Kerber to Rome she was injured and couldn't serve properly
- she hasn't played Azarenka
- she hasn't played Radwanska
- she hasn't played Stosur
- she hasn't played Serena
- she hasn't played Zvonareva

So she may have a horrendous record against Maria, but NOT against the top 10. It's a GM myth.

Excelscior
Jun 22nd, 2012, 11:19 PM
How guys see her first match? Is Akgul a tough opponent for Petra?

You want us to put the Jinx on man? :lol: :confused: :lol:

Akgul, can certainly be dangerous to a woefully out of form Petra, with Akgul's serve and hard hitting strokes. But for the most part, if Petra plays her B game well, she should win.

Akgul is big, strong, and hits hard, but her game is totally unrefined, and she's not not the best thinker, mover or varied player. She's usually ranked near 100.

Nonetheless, anything can happen in a tennis match, and I wish both of them good luck. And most importantly, Petra!! Go Kvitty!!

Vikapower
Jun 22nd, 2012, 11:22 PM
As the defending champion, it's a good thing that almost no one expects her (from various web-readings here and there). It nevertheless makes me laugh, you know the paradox that Petra has never under-performed in Wimbledon in comparison to the level of expectations she gets even after the demo she operated last year.

I'm not too worried for Petra though from a tennis stand-point, if she plays her relative best, there's not a single player able to compete with the quantity of offensive points she is able to win on this surface.

The question though is about the pressure, dealing with the pressure and how she will do in that aspect but again, she feels so comfortable on this surface that this could quickly be thrown in the background.

That opening match will be a big indication, especially, Wimbledon gives a big significance to this --

All the people that beat Serena in slams recently, took it to her, and didn't lay back. Petra (though it's usually in her nature), would have to do the same, with out the boat load of errors of course. Of course last year (which yet to be seen this year with Petra at Wimby), Petra had a lot of winners, and very few errors in the overwhelming majority of her sets and matches.

TBH I have no idea why people are scared of Serena --

Serena has much more pressure than Petra in this major. Serena is in stage of her career where she's desperate to win a major and it totally affects her game, she rushes, overdoes almost everything, doesn't play a natural flowing game, mechanism which then allows many of her fearless opponents to defeat her a far as majors are concerned.

Petra is no known to step-back with her game and indeed if she brings the game to Serena without even pushing that much, Serena will end up imploding, force everything, disrupt the rhythm of her serve and ground-strokes and this match could end up being much more one-sided in Petra's favor than people seem to predict.

People underestimate the level of pressure Serena puts on herself to win another major -- you just need to encourage that pressure, play offensive tennis indeed -- and just like magic she will crumble just like that.

Unless demonstrated otherwise (like Petra playing really bad or something), this QF draw is really hers to lose -- she plays her best, she should make the SF, if not then, advienne que pourras.

18majors
Jun 22nd, 2012, 11:37 PM
If Pironkova is really injured, Maria will roll over her easily.



I agree that Serena will be pumped up, just like against Sharapova and Azarenka in Madrid. Also, Petra can make it to the QF even WITHOUT playing particularly well and without being in great shape. Just like at RG: what was enough for beating the likes of Lepchenko, Shvedova, etc. was not sufficient to beat Maria.



I don't think so.

Yes, she lost three times to Sharpie - who may be having the season of her lifetime and two of these matches were very close - but:

- she beat two top 10 players at Hopman Cup (Wozniacki and Bartoli), one of whom was the reigning No.1
- she beat both Kerber and Errani (the latter two times), who are the current top 10 players
- during her loss to Kerber to Rome she was injured and couldn't serve properly
- she hasn't played Azarenka
- she hasn't played Radwanska
- she hasn't played Stosur
- she hasn't played Serena
- she hasn't played Zvonareva

So she may have a horrendous record against Maria, but NOT against the top 10. It's a GM myth.

Yes, the only time Maria really beat Petra this year is Roland Garros where Petra's clay movements (or lack of) really hurt her cause. The other two matches are like flipping coins, it could go either way.

Even though I feel Maria will fare well against Serena in any future meetings but I'm counting on Petra to take out Serena at QF as a double insurance.

18majors
Jun 22nd, 2012, 11:48 PM
As the defending champion, it's a good thing that almost no one expects her (from various web-readings here and there). It nevertheless makes me laugh, you know the paradox that Petra has never under-performed in Wimbledon in comparison to the level of expectations she gets even after the demo she operated last year.

I'm not too worried for Petra though from a tennis stand-point, if she plays her relative best, there's not a single player able to compete with the quantity of offensive points she is able to win on this surface.

The question though is about the pressure, dealing with the pressure and how she will do in that aspect but again, she feels so comfortable on this surface that this could quickly be thrown in the background.

That opening match will be a big indication, especially, Wimbledon gives a big significance to this --



TBH I have no idea why people are scared of Serena --

Serena has much more pressure than Petra in this major. Serena is in stage of her career where she's desperate to win a major and it totally affects her game, she rushes, overdoes almost everything, doesn't play a natural flowing game, mechanism which then allows many of her fearless opponents to defeat her a far as majors are concerned.

Petra is no known to step-back with her game and indeed if she brings the game to Serena without even pushing that much, Serena will end up imploding, force everything, disrupt the rhythm of her serve and ground-strokes and this match could end up being much more one-sided in Petra's favor than people seem to predict.

People underestimate the level of pressure Serena puts on herself to win another major -- you just need to encourage that pressure, play offensive tennis indeed -- and just like magic she will crumble just like that.

Unless demonstrated otherwise (like Petra playing really bad or something), this QF draw is really hers to lose -- she plays her best, she should make the SF, if not then, advienne que pourras.

You're right, today's Serena will self-destruct if her opponents stay in the match with her; that's how Woz did it in Miami and Razzano did it in RG.

Petra will absolutely frustrate Serena to no ends, with her serves and her shots.

Excelscior
Jun 23rd, 2012, 12:04 AM
As the defending champion, it's a good thing that almost no one expects her (from various web-readings here and there). It nevertheless makes me laugh, you know the paradox that Petra has never under-performed in Wimbledon in comparison to the level of expectations she gets even after the demo she operated last year.

I'm not too worried for Petra though from a tennis stand-point, if she plays her relative best, there's not a single player able to compete with the quantity of offensive points she is able to win on this surface.

The question though is about the pressure, dealing with the pressure and how she will do in that aspect but again, she feels so comfortable on this surface that this could quickly be thrown in the background.

That opening match will be a big indication, especially, Wimbledon gives a big significance to this --



TBH I have no idea why people are scared of Serena --

Serena has much more pressure than Petra in this major. Serena is in stage of her career where she's desperate to win a major and it totally affects her game, she rushes, overdoes almost everything, doesn't play a natural flowing game, mechanism which then allows many of her fearless opponents to defeat her a far as majors are concerned.

Petra is no known to step-back with her game and indeed if she brings the game to Serena without even pushing that much, Serena will end up imploding, force everything, disrupt the rhythm of her serve and ground-strokes and this match could end up being much more one-sided in Petra's favor than people seem to predict.

People underestimate the level of pressure Serena puts on herself to win another major -- you just need to encourage that pressure, play offensive tennis indeed -- and just like magic she will crumble just like that.

Unless demonstrated otherwise (like Petra playing really bad or something), this QF draw is really hers to lose -- she plays her best, she should make the SF, if not then, advienne que pourras.

Though I agree with the overall premise of your article, about Petra's respective chances, keep in mind it doesn't matter what we think on the web. Because the odds makers still see Petra as a strong co-favorite with Serena and Maria; while Petra's has yet to face the British Press, and SW19 pageantry as the defending Champion. So like you said, let's see how she responds to and handles that, along with how she looks in her first match? But she can certainly feel Pressure if she allows herself to (though I'm not saying she will).

bruce goose
Jun 23rd, 2012, 05:25 AM
'Vikapower' might be better equipped with the stats here,but I don't think that first-time Wimby winners have repeated too often in recent years.IIRC,the last occurrence was 2002-2003,so Petra would be joining elite company if she pulled this off:)

Petronius
Jun 23rd, 2012, 10:35 AM
Well, since you asked Petronius, here's a summary of Lendl's performances before he won his first GS:

Lendl first came to the tennis world's attention as an outstanding junior player. In 1978, he won the boys' singles titles at both the French Open and Wimbledon and was ranked the World No. 1 junior player.

Lendl made an almost immediate impact on the game after turning professional. After reaching his first top-level singles final in 1979, he won seven singles titles in 1980, including three tournament wins in three consecutive weeks on three different surfaces. The success continued in 1981 as he won 10 titles including his first season ending Masters Grand Prix tour title defeating Vitas Gerulaitis in five sets.

In 1982, he won 15 of the 23 singles tournaments he entered and had a 44-match winning streak.

He competed on the separate World Championship Tennis (WCT) tour where he won all 10 WCT tournaments he entered, including winning his first WCT Finals where he defeated John McEnroe in straight sets. He met McEnroe again in the Masters Grand Prix final and won in straight sets to claim his second season ending championship of that particular tour.

In an era when tournament prize money was rising sharply due to the competition between 2 circuits (Grand Prix and WCT), Lendl's haul of titles quickly made him the highest-earning tennis player of all time.

He won another seven tournaments in 1983.

But Grand Slam titles eluded Lendl in the early years of his career. He reached his first Grand Slam final at the French Open in 1981, where he lost in five sets to Bjrn Borg. His second came at the US Open in 1982, where he was defeated by Jimmy Connors. In 1983, he was the runner-up at both the Australian Open (Winner:Mats Wilander)and the US Open (Winner:Jimmy Connors).

Lendl's first Grand Slam title came at the 1984 French Open, where he defeated John McEnroe in a long final to claim what was arguably his best victory. Down two sets to love and later trailing 4–2 in the fourth set, Lendl battled back to claim the title 3–6, 2–6, 6–4, 7–5, 7–5.

Pretty impressive, no?

Lendl was a beast. Interestingly, the CEO of the Prostějov tennis club and Petra's manager regards him as the greatest Czech player of all time, rating him even higher than Navratilova. Probably because the competition among men is tougher and because of his revolutionary impact on the sport as a whole. The only blemishes are no Wimbledon title and a relatively poor record in slam finals (8-11).

On the other hand, EIGHT straight US Open finals :worship:

aloeball
Jun 23rd, 2012, 11:07 AM
As an aside. They replayed old matches on late night telly. I used to watch lendl play. Aside from the amazing tennis he's actually really good looking and hot and damn, thosr short shorts guys wore back in those days. I only ever see them at gay clubs now. Wouldnt mind seeing tennis players in those shorts again haha. /end rant

Queen Petra Fan
Jun 23rd, 2012, 12:05 PM
Lendl was a beast. Interestingly, the CEO of the Prostějov tennis club and Petra's manager regards him as the greatest Czech player of all time, rating him even higher than Navratilova. Probably because the competition among men is tougher and because of his revolutionary impact on the sport as a whole. The only blemishes are no Wimbledon title and a relatively poor record in slam finals (8-11).

On the other hand, EIGHT straight US Open finals :worship:


Can you imagine what his trophy room, scratch that, trophy hall looks like with all that hardware displayed? :eek:

When Petra won Wimbledon my first thought was about Lendl and how he came so close, but ultimately never got that one. :sad:

It wasn't for lack of effort though. It just wasn't meant to be.

More importantly, what's your take on how Mr. Cernošek is looking at David Kotyza and Petra's total lack of improvement in her game. The poor girl's game is regressing not progressing. Her form from the end of last year is nowhere in sight. Do you think Kotyza's job may be endangered if Petra continues to fail? :confused:

:worship: QPF. Still on the Queen Petra rollercoaster come hell or high water, but starting to get pissed. :worship:

steni
Jun 23rd, 2012, 12:42 PM
Do you think Kotyza's job may be endangered if Petra continues to fail? :confused:

But I dont think Petra could fire this guy, he is like a father for her, and she is so nice!

ArcticMoose
Jun 23rd, 2012, 12:46 PM
More importantly, what's your take on how Mr. Cernoek is looking at David Kotyza and Petra's total lack of improvement in her game. The poor girl's game is regressing not progressing. Her form from the end of last year is nowhere in sight. Do you think Kotyza's job may be endangered if Petra continues to fail? :confused:

:worship: QPF. Still on the Queen Petra rollercoaster come hell or high water, but starting to get pissed. :worship:

Well, as Martina says Kvitty does not need re-tooling but rather working on being fleet footed, getting-it-together etc. obvious to all following Kvitty that the solution lies between Player, Coach, Trainer, Sports Psychologist & Manager So obviously the player with bucket loads of talent cant be taken out of the equation but each of the others can be its time each of the variables:help: (Coach, Trainer, Sports Psychologist & Manager) were replaced / substituted to make sure Kvitty progresses rather than regresses! :tape:

steni
Jun 23rd, 2012, 12:48 PM
Well, as Martina says Kvitty does not need re-tooling but rather working on being fleet footed, getting-it-together etc. obvious to all following Kvitty that the solution lies between Player, Coach, Trainer, Sports Psychologist & Manager So obviously the player with bucket loads of talent cant be taken out of the equation but each of the others can be its time each of the variables:help: (Coach, Trainer, Sports Psychologist & Manager) were replaced / substituted to make sure Kvitty progresses rather than regresses! :tape:

I would be surprised if she replace Kotyza or Ivanko...

winnermax
Jun 23rd, 2012, 02:48 PM
Today,Petra trains with Li Na in Wimbledon.;)

Vikapower
Jun 23rd, 2012, 04:20 PM
'Vikapower' might be better equipped with the stats here,but I don't think that first-time Wimby winners have repeated too often in recent years.IIRC,the last occurrence was 2002-2003,so Petra would be joining elite company if she pulled this off:)

:lol: TBH with you I hadn't really searched about that in the past but now that you've questioned me on that it sharpened my curiosity to see how many times first time winners on first attempt in Wimbledon actually went on to win the title the year after and as you mentioned, the other years too --

So here's what I found since the Open era :

To resume the whole thing

Only 3 players have won their first Wimbledon on first attempt to successfully defend it the following year (Navratoliva, Venus and Serena).
In the 2000's, Venus and Serena both won their Wimbledon on first attempt to successfully defend it the following year (2000, 2001, 2002, 2003) -- they did that back to back.
They're the only players to do so for now though Lindsey Davenport wasn't far off in 2001 only defeated by Venus Williams.
2 players won their first Wimbledon then made the F (lost) the following year (Goolagong, Davenport).
As you can see not much players have won multiple Wimbledons after their first win on first attempt 4 (Evert, Navratilova, Venus and Serena).

SIDENOTE : Kind of had a hard time with BJK who had a domination patch on grass starting from pre-Open era. :lol: I was going to consider her first Wimbledon to be in 1968 but she already had 2 from 1966 to 1967. I'm not certain 1967's or even 1966's Wimbledon changed 'that much' from 1968's. :shrug:

Margareth Court Smith too gave the same difficulties.


VRD = Venus Rosewater Dish
The asterisks means despite the player didn't win Wimbledon the following year, they nevertheless made the F or consecutive F after their first win represented then by the number of asterisks (* = 1 ** = 2 etc.) --


Name First VRD VRD after first win Nb. of VRDs after first win
on first attempt (year)
Ann Haydon Jones 1969 No 0
Evonne Goolagong 1971 No* 0
Virginia Wade 1977 No 0
Martina Navratilova 1978 Yes 8 (1979, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1990)
Conchita Martinez 1994 No 0
Martina Hingis 1997 No 0
Lindsey Davenport 1999 No* 0
Venus Williams 2000 Yes 4 (2001, 2005, 2007, 2008)
Serena Williams 2002 Yes 3 (2003, 2009, 2010)
Maria Sharapova 2004 No 0
Amlie Mauresmo 2006 No 0
Petra Kvitova 2011 ??? ?


The thing, is Wimbledon has gone under numerous patches of domination for example the WS from 2000 where only 3 other winners than them won the trophy, Navratilova from 1978 to 1987, Steffi Graf from 1988 to 1996 etc.

Even if you won Wimbledon for the very first time in your first final during a given patch of domination of one of these players, the chances you would have to successfully defend your title anyways would be almost close to 0 unless if eventually you were also destined to be great on grass --

Well that was the case for Serena for example who stopped Venus from 4 consecutive Wimbledon between 2000 and 2003 -- so it kinds of shows the type of level you need to actually win the trophy for a first time and defend it the following year.

That's how for example it's illustrated again with Sharapova who had won Wimbledon in 2004 against Serena Williams and got knocked out the following year by Venus in 2005 in the SF. Venus who was co-dominating the surface with her sister.

Now that the WS hegemony on grass is slowly but surely extinguishing, we could get a much bigger chance to see players win their first Wimbledon F and actually defend it successfully with a higher probability than it was actually the case before.

Vikapower
Jun 23rd, 2012, 04:21 PM
Though I agree with the overall premise of your article, about Petra's respective chances, keep in mind it doesn't matter what we think on the web. Because the odds makers still see Petra as a strong co-favorite with Serena and Maria; while Petra's has yet to face the British Press, and SW19 pageantry as the defending Champion. So like you said, let's see how she responds to and handles that, along with how she looks in her first match? But she can certainly feel Pressure if she allows herself to (though I'm not saying she will).

Well, I've seen some posts in GM around with these, TBH I'm not really into betting and it's not something we do a lot here in France anyways for me even more so in the Caribbean so when I mean "various" readings it's more like blogs and stuffs like that ; obviously I know their opinion is subjective and doesn't "really" matter at the end much since it's just an opinion and pretty everyone does have one so it's cool.

Excelscior
Jun 23rd, 2012, 05:02 PM
Well, I've seen some posts in GM around with these, TBH I'm not really into betting and it's not something we do a lot here in France anyways for me even more so in the Caribbean so when I mean "various" readings it's more like blogs and stuffs like that ; obviously I know their opinion is subjective and doesn't "really" matter at the end much since it's just an opinion and pretty everyone does have one so it's cool.

Just so you know. I agree with your premise. I was just saying, "I didn't know if we could be so sure about Petra", though you were probably right. :)

ArcticMoose
Jun 23rd, 2012, 05:04 PM
:DHey thanks for your stats wizardry as always vikapower! As your professor of statistics on TF:worship: can I/we ask you this - What is the likelihood of Petra:angel: taking the gold at the Olympics considering this is her 1st Olympics (I think) ? any trends?:)

Petronius
Jun 23rd, 2012, 11:15 PM
More importantly, what's your take on how Mr. Cernošek is looking at David Kotyza and Petra's total lack of improvement in her game. The poor girl's game is regressing not progressing. Her form from the end of last year is nowhere in sight. Do you think Kotyza's job may be endangered if Petra continues to fail? :confused:

I doubt she will fire him any time soon. I bought a newspaper today (MF Dnes) with a big article about Petra and they emphasized again how good their relationship is - lots of jokes, etc.
Also, keep in mind that while she may be playing ugly, results-wise at grand slams she's actually improving. SF-SF compared to QF and R4 last year. And she's once again in Fed Cup final, which is an important competition for her.
Unless she bombs out early at Wimbledon, Kotyza need not worry about his job until the end of the year, IMO. And I think there's no pressure from Černošek, she reached the semi at RG and Černošek is already sure to earn a lot of money by selling out a 15,000 arena in November for Fed Cup final.

JMHO

Petronius
Jun 23rd, 2012, 11:19 PM
Can you imagine what his trophy room, scratch that, trophy hall looks like with all that hardware displayed? :eek:

More like a trophy barn or trophy hangar LOL

bruce goose
Jun 24th, 2012, 04:50 AM
Thanks for the research,Vikapower:hatoff:

Wimbledon is the only major with such a short lead-up b/c a truly dedicated player can use the off-season to prep for the AO prior to the tune-up events.Although Petra certainly doesn't seem bothered,other players complain about the quick transition from clay to grass........so that got me wondering,How soon,calendar-wise,can a lesser player begin competing in ITF grass events?Though the level of competition wouldn't be so high,more of those small-caliber grass tourneys would at least afford the gals more opportunities to adjust to grass---or maybe such an extended grass calendar already exists and I just wasn't aware(???).....'Tis merely something to ponder

Queen Petra Fan
Jun 24th, 2012, 04:41 PM
I doubt she will fire him any time soon. I bought a newspaper today (MF Dnes) with a big article about Petra and they emphasized again how good their relationship is - lots of jokes, etc.
Also, keep in mind that while she may be playing ugly, results-wise at grand slams she's actually improving. SF-SF compared to QF and R4 last year. And she's once again in Fed Cup final, which is an important competition for her.
Unless she bombs out early at Wimbledon, Kotyza need not worry about his job until the end of the year, IMO. And I think there's no pressure from Černoek, she reached the semi at RG and Černoek is already sure to earn a lot of money by selling out a 15,000 arena in November for Fed Cup final.

JMHO

As you astutely pointed out the deal breaker is Wimbledon. Who cares if she has slightly improved her results at the other slams if she falls on her face at Wimby. That changes everything because then she would have a lower player ranking and no titles to show for all of her drama in 2012 so far. It kills the argument she is somehow improving which I don't buy at all. However, the Olympics could provide another opportunity for QP redemption before her always adventurous outdoor hardcourt season follies. Any bets on whether her asthma treatment has improved since2011? :rolleyes:

Thank god or whoever we can all look forward to her appearance in Prague at this year's Fed Cup Final. I'll be there for sure with my Czech flag (QPF z Vinoře) cheering her on loudly with all the other CZ tennis patriots. It's going to be awesome!!!

And then of course we can all look forward to Petra crushing all the ambitious and pretentious scrubs who dare usurp her end of the year YEC dominance.

At some point and time the cream usually rises to the top in sports. Let's hope this is true in Queen Petra's case and at some time she sees the light and feels fit and gets back to her winning ways. If not, then we can talk about defenestrating David Kotyza or other measures. Just saying. :help:

TimeyWimey
Jun 25th, 2012, 01:38 AM
Petra should be highly motivated right now otherwise her race to istanbul will be over after wimbledon

bruce goose
Jun 25th, 2012, 04:14 AM
Petra should be highly motivated right now otherwise her race to istanbul will be over after wimbledonWithout a great showing at W,Petra'll have a hard time getting a top seed for YEC,but I wouldn't write off her chances at making the Top 8.Also,are you questioning her motivation or simply stating that her motivation ought to be high at this point?I'd agree with the latter and not necessarily the former

Barktra
Jun 25th, 2012, 06:05 PM
I am so nervous about tomorrow :scared:

ArcticMoose
Jun 25th, 2012, 06:07 PM
:D Good Luck on CC Petra :angel:
:cool: Please! Please! don't do a 'Venus' on us fans tomorrow - Please remember your 'Ma & Pa' are watching from the Royal Box - Please win any way you can :p- we do not care how ugly it is! :lol:

Excelscior
Jun 25th, 2012, 06:41 PM
I don't want to put the Jinx on (and I won't, so "knock on wood"), but if she hit with Li Na and Wozniaki (under match condition and/or played actual matches), she should be fine, tennis wise.

Hopefully, she'll take all the pomp and ceremony on Center Court, the British Media, and in the Royal Box in stride, regardless what potential challenges she may face in the match.

Vikapower
Jun 25th, 2012, 06:42 PM
Good luck Petra. Hope she'll not be too nervous -- :lol:

TimeyWimey
Jun 25th, 2012, 08:13 PM
I don't want to put the Jinx on (and I won't, so "knock on wood"), but if she hit with Li Na and Wozniaki (under match condition and/or played actual matches), she should be fine, tennis wise.



:lol::lol: i guess your point is under match condition and/or played actual matches rather than Li Na and Wozniaki ;)

Excelscior
Jun 25th, 2012, 08:23 PM
:lol::lol: i guess your point is under match condition and/or played actual matches rather than Li Na and Wozniaki ;)

Yeah. Petra just needed the work, reps.

I hope she got it. Remember in Eastbourne, she obviously didn't, as she couldn't serve, return and hit a forehand to save her life, in a match ripe for the pickings. :) :lol: :)

steni
Jun 25th, 2012, 08:31 PM
I got the feeling that she is gonna be alright. She loves Wimbledon very much, so she is gonna try her best.

TimeyWimey
Jun 25th, 2012, 08:35 PM
Also,are you questioning her motivation or simply stating that her motivation ought to be high at this point?I'd agree with the latter and not necessarily the former

nein bruce, if Petra is tired of Wimbledon, what else could motivate her ;)

ArcticMoose
Jun 25th, 2012, 08:41 PM
:help:....Kvitty's Mental Walkabouts & Brain Freezes .......:sad:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_jgyugzLdbng/TSEJEsA5CAI/AAAAAAAACNU/8HW5sC-nrSE/s400/dear-god-make-it-stop.jpg

bruce goose
Jun 26th, 2012, 04:30 AM
Nothing against Vesnina,but I strongly suspect that Vee was ailing from that disease today;unlike her younger sis,she is NOT an excuse-maker and almost always praises her opponent even if she(VW) didn't play that well...

....That's a roundabout way of saying that there's no curse on former champions...and that Petra:hearts: ought to do just fine....barring a literal strike of lightning;)