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SAISAI-GOAT
Jun 1st, 2012, 02:57 PM
Ma$ha used to suck on clay, including the beatings she took at the hands of Ivanovic and Cibulkova barely winning any games :oh:

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but last year she was the favorite to complete her career Grand Slam by winning RG 2011 until NaNa upset her and now she is the favorite to win RG 2012

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GrandMartha
Jun 1st, 2012, 02:58 PM
hard work

Pasta-Na
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:00 PM
jinx, Na-Mug? :oh:

SAISAI-GOAT
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:01 PM
jinx, Na-Mug? :oh:

ahead of Maria v Shuai :ignore:

Becool
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:01 PM
you know dinara safina story don't ya?


let's see if she can win roland garros.

Marilyn Monheaux
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:04 PM
Maria never was as bad on clay as people made her out to be. :shrug:

Charlatan
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:05 PM
Yep, Peak Pierce gave her some hardcore clay court lesson

but nice attempt to jinx, btw

Israel
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:05 PM
Hard work + she's not that much better on clay, the tour just isn't good enough to beat her on it.

Chip.
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:06 PM
Peak Pierce :bowdown:

SAISAI-GOAT
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:18 PM
Hard work + she's not that much better on clay, the tour just isn't good enough to beat her on it.

yes with the retirements of the CLAY-GOATS Henin and Safina :sobbing:

doujyr
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:38 PM
Maria never was as bad on clay as people made her out to be. :shrug:

this

if you look at her win/loss on clay pre-injury, it was one of the best in WTA

jameshazza
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:40 PM
Hard work. But she's not yet the outright favourite. That is Li.

Beat
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:41 PM
that goat looks fake. is that on purpose? :hehehe:

Vuvurenka
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:42 PM
ehh Martha was never bad on clay. It wasn't as if she was losing to clay mugs :o

goldenlox
Jun 1st, 2012, 03:46 PM
She used to wear down when she made FO runs and now she has much more stamina. Thats also a big thing in her Premier wins on clay. She's still strong after 3, 4 matches
Also with no Justine or Dinara, the field is much weaker.

Sharakim
Jun 1st, 2012, 04:06 PM
One of the biggest things that I don't see mentioned alot is Maria's commitment to learn how to maximise her strengths on clay. She didn't just give up on roland garros, she embraced the challenge of actually learning how to play on clay and the tennis god's have rewarded her hard work. It's been amazing to see Masha slowly make herself into a contender on this surface. Also, her body has strengthened and become better conditioned to play longer matches over the years. Her much improved stamina and fitness has allows her the ability to stay strong even if she plays back to back days. This gives her a big edge on clay knowing that she can be in long rallies without getting tired. It also makes her opponents sweat, knowing that they have to really work hard physically and mentally to hurt Masha. The other big improvment is her movement which lets her stay in the longer rallies. Amazingly, she's learning how to slide into her backhand side, which improves her defence. She's never gonna be a Henin in terms to movement, but she's realized that the clay allows her time to setup her powershots. And if she is more patient, she can be rewarded with a lot more winners. Finally, she's been steadly improved her service to turn it into a weapon again. Masha's always had the desire to win majors, nowadays her clay game has elevated to a point where she might do just that...win the career slam. :bounce:

NashaMasha
Jun 1st, 2012, 04:16 PM
NA-MUG voted for Shuai in the thread about 3R match. Probably, she is more GOAT on clay than Masha in his opinion

Vincey!
Jun 1st, 2012, 04:59 PM
She definitely improved her movement on clay, she's now sliding a little. She's hitting less flat than before with a bit more topspin specially on her FH. Her serves did improve alot this year but she was still able to go far on clay without it, it certainly helped her go further this year. Also I think that the fact that there's no clear clay court specialist like Henin was before helped her, it is certainly not the only reason cuz other lower clay courter didn't take advantage of it, but Masha did. So it's a good mix of different things and the fact that her base game is and was always stronger than 90% of the girls on any surfaces...

bobito
Jun 1st, 2012, 05:04 PM
A combination of three things, two of which are in the poll. Firstly, she was never that bad a clay court player in the first place. Roland Garros 2004 was her first slam QF. Secondly, she improved her movement, though she is still by no means a good mover on clay. Lastly, there just aren't many genuinely good clay courters around at the moment.

Halepsova
Jun 1st, 2012, 05:09 PM
She usually gets stupid opponents who tend to give her the match. When she faces the real clay courters, she just has no idea how to beat them.

Charlatan
Jun 1st, 2012, 05:11 PM
She usually gets stupid opponents who tend to give her the match. When she faces the real clay courters, she just has no idea how to beat them.

so who are the real clay courters? stosur? petrova? kvitova? li na? :haha:


or are you gonna say serena?

doomsday
Jun 1st, 2012, 05:11 PM
She usually gets stupid opponents who tend to give her the match. When she faces the real clay courters, she just has no idea how to beat them.

Yep that's why she beat Stosur in Stuttgart and Na Li in Rome.

doomsday
Jun 1st, 2012, 05:12 PM
She used to wear down when she made FO runs and now she has much more stamina. Thats also a big thing in her Premier wins on clay. She's still strong after 3, 4 matches
Also with no Justine or Dinara, the field is much weaker.

:lol::lol::lol:

TennisAddict84
Jun 1st, 2012, 05:20 PM
For me, not only has Sharapova's movement improved so much, but her serve and ground strokes have finally come together consistently. Before the clay court season, Maria was losing matches where either her serve wasn't clicking or her strokes were misfiring. But now, I think Sharapova has really gone back to her vintage form where all parts of her game are working together at the same time, which reminds everyone again why she is so tough to beat. Serena, being the exception, who just DOES NOT allow Maria in the match at all.

goldenlox
Jun 1st, 2012, 05:32 PM
:lol::lol::lol:
Dinara in 2008-9 was about 30-1 on red clay before the 2 FO finals. She won Berlin, Madrid, Rome. Beat Henin, Serena, Maria.
She might have been tough if her back didnt give out.

LenaDMania0003
Jun 1st, 2012, 05:47 PM
Especially Maria's serve does work well in red clay tournaments this year as well as she improved her movement

it-girl
Jun 1st, 2012, 06:06 PM
It's the one place where her movement is not an issue. In other words players cannot get her out of postion as much as they can on other surfaces. Which gives her more time to set up her shots.

Start da Game
Jun 1st, 2012, 06:18 PM
don't worry, she will never win the french open.....

pov
Jun 1st, 2012, 06:30 PM
I know it would have been crazy to include the reason she gave which was improved overall fitness and better muscle tone/conditioning in her legs.

SymphonyX
Jun 1st, 2012, 06:47 PM
Maria's defense improved significantly on clay, being able to even slide a little (which is impressive given her sizable frame) as well as execute running groundstrokes much better. Her running backhand is an extremely dangerous shot. Also, she now crouches a lot more frequently to return deep balls instead of moving back into the baseline to hit it back. The crouching groundstroke cuts reaction time of her opponents significantly. In addition to that, her new service motion that she adopted since the start of the clay season is doing her wonders -- lower impact, more compact; provides reliability and stability that is the basis of confidence for her entire game.

nelsondan
Jun 1st, 2012, 07:13 PM
I thought I had it figured out in Stuttgart...she was 5or6 pounds lighter, which helped her move better and maybe helped with endurance...maybe the 5 or six pounds were my imagination...she looks the trimmest but most powerful I can remember her looking right now. Her photos on court are breathtaking.

Charlatan
Jun 1st, 2012, 07:18 PM
LOL @ all the posters who dislike maria (The Kaz, frenchie, bobbito) choosing the 'she doesn't not improve' option! of course, the fact that henin retired and the lack of strong clay courters is part of the reason, but to say she doesn't improve at all?

Queenpova
Jun 1st, 2012, 07:26 PM
LOL @ all the posters who dislike maria (The Kaz, frenchie, bobbito) choosing the 'she doesn't not improve' option! of course, the fact that henin retired and the lack of strong clay courters is part of the reason, but to say she doesn't improve at all?

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Matt01
Jun 1st, 2012, 08:02 PM
It's mostly her movement and confidance which improved on this surface.


:lol::lol::lol:


What's there to laugh? :weirdo:
Oh, I guess those RG-defeats do still hurt :wavey:

Stonerpova
Jun 1st, 2012, 08:04 PM
Cute, Na-MUG. Very cute. :o

LCS
Jun 1st, 2012, 08:28 PM
She usually gets stupid opponents who tend to give her the match. When she faces the real clay courters, she just has no idea how to beat them.

So much fail :facepalm:

dsanders06
Jun 1st, 2012, 08:29 PM
A combination of improved movement, better tactical awareness since she linked up with her new coach which makes her better at surviving long rallies, a slight tweak to her forehand which means she's been hitting it with noticeably more topspin this claycourt season, and, as others have said, the fact that she was never exactly at Davenport-levels on clay to start off with (best illustrated by her run to the semis in 2007 having missed all the warm-ups).

Cosmic Voices
Jun 1st, 2012, 08:36 PM
improvement with her movement ofc :spit:
haven't people witnessed her cow slides to the bh side? utterly stunning :inlove:

thrust
Jun 1st, 2012, 08:49 PM
Hard work + she's not that much better on clay, the tour just isn't good enough to beat her on it.

TRUE, plus she has had NO real competition yet at this FO.

gc-spurs
Jun 1st, 2012, 10:29 PM
SHe was never bad to start with results-wise, but she did look weird playing on it for sure. Now she looks... balanced. If it were the other players sucking more, her game would look the same but it doesn't. It's her movement which is thanks to her increase strength. Now that she's older, her body can legitimately become a lot stronger and muscular unlike the awkwardly tall teenage mutant.

manu32
Jun 1st, 2012, 10:46 PM
Her draw is ridiculous

ivanban
Jun 2nd, 2012, 08:50 AM
IMO she moves awkward on clay as she did before :shrug: Only difference is that field is much much weaker than before

AnomyBC
Jun 2nd, 2012, 09:01 AM
She changed the way she plays because of her shoulder injury. She used to rely on her serve to win matches, but now she can't, so she's had to improve her return game to make up for it. When she was a big server, that benefited her on grass, and now that she's switched and become a great returner instead, that benefits her on clay. So yeah, it's a combination of that and the fact that there aren't any great female clay court players at the moment.

Shivank17
Jun 2nd, 2012, 10:15 AM
:lol: at the jinx attempt. :facepalm:

Material World
Jun 2nd, 2012, 10:37 AM
Great thread title :worship:

I always used to see her as more of a pantomime horse

Marcus1979
Jun 2nd, 2012, 11:39 AM
since everyone is saying she is goat on clay does that mean no one expects anything during the grass season?

sweetkit
Jun 2nd, 2012, 01:36 PM
As if it was ever surprising that an extremely talented hard working all-round player is good on certain surface.
Masha simply hasn't even peaked her career yet, which explains why now not earlier.

Jajaloo
Jun 2nd, 2012, 01:42 PM
The tour crumbling around her is making her look a lot better than she is.

Dawn Marie
Jun 2nd, 2012, 02:57 PM
Maria sux ass on clay. The clay courts have changed. Don't let the game fool you. She is playing some scrubs..

SAISAI-GOAT
Jun 9th, 2012, 05:59 PM
don't worry, she will never win the french open.....

:lol:

congrats Maria :worship:

you will never be called COW-ON-ICE again :awww:

RenaSlam.
Jun 9th, 2012, 06:09 PM
Her movement is definitely WAY better than it was before.