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AcesHigh
May 30th, 2012, 05:00 PM
Usually when Serena loses in a tournament and Venus is still alive, she plays like utter garbage in her next match.

For all those who will say I'm making an excuse.. just look at today's match or the many matches where Venus lost the same day Serena did or the day after.

Does she just not care? Is it an emotional thing? It's really inexplicable but it's been happening for almost a decade now.

nfl46
May 30th, 2012, 05:03 PM
This always happens. Not sure why. Its like she doesn't care anymore.

Doully
May 30th, 2012, 05:09 PM
Wimbledon 05 + 07?

But yeah I know what you mean. Disappointing.

Break My Rapture
May 30th, 2012, 05:12 PM
She looks like she doesn't want to be out there. Or she's just gassed.

Disappointing that she's not showing up for this match though.

slydevil6142
May 30th, 2012, 05:14 PM
She looks like she doesn't want to be out there. Or she's just gassed.

Disappointing that she's not showing up for this match though.

As am i... She's had 2 days of rest so if she can't pull it together she may want/need to retire after this year...

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Steven.
May 30th, 2012, 05:19 PM
i fuckin can't at veerror showing up in this match of all matches. basically every point radwanska earns is because of a venus ue. venus needs to get it together asap.

danieln1
May 30th, 2012, 05:20 PM
It happened in MIami also this year, after Serena was trashed by caro venus lost to aga

wimbledon 11 the same thing, eastbourne also, and many, many more

Queenpova
May 30th, 2012, 05:21 PM
is she 15?

Uranium
May 30th, 2012, 05:21 PM
Bitch needs to retire from singles. I love her, but after this season become a doubles specialist.

UDACHi
May 30th, 2012, 05:22 PM
people are so weird. :lol: clearly it has nothing to do with serena's loss.. venus just hasn't shown any signs of life since 2010. :shrug:

AcesHigh
May 30th, 2012, 05:24 PM
people are so weird. :lol: clearly it has nothing to do with serena's loss.. venus just hasn't shown any signs of life since 2010. :shrug:

It's happened way too many times for me to consider it merely coincidence.

dybbuk
May 30th, 2012, 05:25 PM
Do people realize this is clay + she's playing Radwanska + most importantly she has a disease than can zap her of energy without any warning with few to no ways to fight it. This is why I've never understood people getting so hyped up in Miami. The problem with Venus is she can have a bad day with her disease at any time, so days where she looks lethargic and out of it are going to keep coming. I don't think Serena has anything to do with it.

madmax
May 30th, 2012, 05:25 PM
she's not playing like garbage LOL - she is just busy being outplayed by much superior player:wavey:

L'Enfant Sauvage
May 30th, 2012, 05:26 PM
It's true, it's like she's the little sister. Just do doubles, singles is clearly not happening for you honey.

azinna
May 30th, 2012, 05:26 PM
Over the years, a small part of me has silently wondered whether they "cycle" in tandem and so have to play through overlapping bad days at the office.

....

Dodoboy.
May 30th, 2012, 05:27 PM
It's a close relationship between the sisters. I can understand this. Even as a Serena fan, I found it hard to concentrate yesterday and today. This loss in particular would have been SO SO HARD for their family. Serena's camp is Venus's camp too, don't forget that.

It is pathetic though, Serena shows no similar behavioral trends at all.

Steven.
May 30th, 2012, 05:27 PM
she's not playing like garbage LOL - she is just busy being outplayed by much superior player:wavey:

oh shut up.

Direwolf
May 30th, 2012, 05:39 PM
Do people realize this is clay + she's playing Radwanska + most importantly she has a disease than can zap her of energy without any warning with few to no ways to fight it. This is why I've never understood people getting so hyped up in Miami. The problem with Venus is she can have a bad day with her disease at any time, so days where she looks lethargic and out of it are going to keep coming. I don't think Serena has anything to do with it.


zapping energy my ass...
She is hitting like balls out 100 miles away from the baseline.

dybbuk
May 30th, 2012, 05:41 PM
zapping energy my ass...
She is hitting like balls out 100 miles away from the baseline.

And this disproves what I said how exactly?

Inger67
May 30th, 2012, 05:41 PM
people are so weird. :lol: clearly it has nothing to do with serena's loss.. venus just hasn't shown any signs of life since 2010. :shrug:

You clearly do not follow her like we do so sit down. This has been a problem with Venus for so long now. Everytime Serena loses, Venus will surely lose.

I was beyond pissed yesterday when Serena lost to Razzano, not because I like her but because I knew what this meant for Venus.

Raiden
May 30th, 2012, 05:44 PM
Over the years, a small part of me has silently wondered whether they "cycle" in tandemThat's only partially true (it's a one-way-street: Only Veenus acquiesces and submits to Serena's whims and "feelings" - he other way around never happens

BrandClay
May 30th, 2012, 05:45 PM
she's not playing like garbage LOL - she is just busy being outplayed by much superior player:wavey:

Please....she didn't even show up. That last game...I knew she going double fault. I knew she was going to hit that forehand long on the last point because she didn't care.

Quite sad.

BrandClay
May 30th, 2012, 05:47 PM
You clearly do not follow her like we do so sit down. This has been a problem with Venus for so long now. Everytime Serena loses, Venus will surely lose.

I was beyond pissed yesterday when Serena lost to Razzano, not because I like her but because I knew what this meant for Venus.

I felt the same way. I was like Venus is definitely going to let this affect her. Like always......except for Wimbledon ofcourse.

Uranium
May 30th, 2012, 05:48 PM
The thing is though that Serena is still sticking around for Mixed. Not like Serena is up and leaving Paris. Venus shouldn't have been that bothered because now she is the one left with nothing to do, but either stay or go home.

However, I do not like her throwing in the towel lately. The horrendous going for first serves when it is a second serve DFs against Stosur in Charleston and Sharapova in Rome, and then that horrendous slap I don't care forehand today to end it.

Roookie
May 30th, 2012, 05:53 PM
she's not playing like garbage LOL - she is just busy being outplayed by much superior player:wavey:

This. Her first round performance was overrated.

Smith Saybrook
May 30th, 2012, 05:58 PM
She never found her footing in Paris. While she picked up her game in the later part of the match against Paula, she was never in tip top form.

pov
May 30th, 2012, 06:00 PM
Venus Williams has an intense caretaker psychology focused on Serena. IMO I don't think she herself knows just how intense it is. If something is wrong in Serena's world, I think Venus somehow feels responsible. It's something that also sometimes affects their matches against each other.

UDACHi
May 30th, 2012, 10:32 PM
You clearly do not follow her like we do so sit down. This has been a problem with Venus for so long now. Everytime Serena loses, Venus will surely lose.

I was beyond pissed yesterday when Serena lost to Razzano, not because I like her but because I knew what this meant for Venus.

you don't need to follow venus closely to know that radwanska would routine her today... radwanska is top 5 right now and venus hasn't shown top 5 tennis for a few years. and venus hasn't had a good roland garros run that i can remember. super predictable loss that doesn't have anything to do with serena.

The Dawntreader
May 30th, 2012, 10:39 PM
It's RG. Venus would've lost regardless of any subliminal attachment to Serena. I don't know why people insist on treating them one entity.

This theory has been disproved plenty of times anyway- Wimbledon 2001, Wimbledon 2005, Wimbledon 2007, Miami 2000, Miami 2001 etc.

tennis-insomniac
May 30th, 2012, 10:41 PM
a. when she plays bad, she loses, when she plays good she wins.
b. She has lost matches before Serena many times, as well as winning matches after Serena loses many times, and even without Serena she can still win/lose matches.
c. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Charlatan
May 30th, 2012, 10:42 PM
Do people realize this is clay + she's playing Radwanska + most importantly she has a disease than can zap her of energy without any warning with few to no ways to fight it. This is why I've never understood people getting so hyped up in Miami. The problem with Venus is she can have a bad day with her disease at any time, so days where she looks lethargic and out of it are going to keep coming. I don't think Serena has anything to do with it.

Basically that's how I see it, too!

And since when has venus ever produced a great level of play at RG after 2002? she has never passed the QF stages..especially in the last few years, she only reached around R2, R3, R4

StoneRose
May 30th, 2012, 10:44 PM
Venus Williams has an intense caretaker psychology focused on Serena. IMO I don't think she herself knows just how intense it is. If something is wrong in Serena's world, I think Venus somehow feels responsible. It's something that also sometimes affects their matches against each other.I can at least partly agree with this, there have been occasions in the past where Venus seemed to care more for Serena than for herself. The way Aga played Venus would always have had a tough time beating her today though.

mistymore
May 30th, 2012, 11:00 PM
Did any of you really expect her to beat the World #3 on clay at this phase of her career. The worst thing of all as some of you are fans too, Venus deserves better fans than that. Applaud her for even playing the French, an event she hasnt had a hope on in almost a decade now, rather than just heading to England early to prepare for Wimbledon, and agonizing over a loss than 99% knew would happen.

mistymore
May 30th, 2012, 11:00 PM
Basically that's how I see it, too!

And since when has venus ever produced a great level of play at RG after 2002? she has never passed the QF stages..especially in the last few years, she only reached around R2, R3, R4

Exactly. There are some clueless people who seem to live in a fantasy World of sorts.

donellcarey
May 30th, 2012, 11:35 PM
zapping energy my ass...
She is hitting like balls out 100 miles away from the baseline.

Okay I dunno if you play tennis yourself, but when you're outta energy, your strikes go outta shape, it's like every hit is wrong. Every hit that used to feel right goes long or goes into the net.

Learn some basic tennis knowledge first.

AcesHigh
May 30th, 2012, 11:39 PM
Clearly people cannot read...

I didn't say WHEN ONE LOSES THE OTHER LOSES AS WELL

I said she plays like garbage.. levels well below her capability. I didn't expect her to win this match but how utterly pathetic her performance was is inexplicable.

I saw some quotes from after the match and it seemed she was more upset about Serena losing than herself.

Becool
May 31st, 2012, 12:24 AM
i really don't think serena is the issue, cuz venus has won many tournaments that serena lost before her..

Malva
May 31st, 2012, 12:56 AM
c. Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Mirabile visu!

razzer
May 31st, 2012, 12:57 AM
she's not playing like garbage LOL - she is just busy being outplayed by much superior player:wavey:

This. Williams fans expect too much from her when venus deserves to be unseeded.

darrinbaker00
May 31st, 2012, 02:25 AM
Venus Williams has an intense caretaker psychology focused on Serena. IMO I don't think she herself knows just how intense it is. If something is wrong in Serena's world, I think Venus somehow feels responsible. It's something that also sometimes affects their matches against each other.

Please tell me you were trying to be funny.

Si_Hi
May 31st, 2012, 02:26 AM
Over the years, a small part of me has silently wondered whether they "cycle" in tandem and so have to play through overlapping bad days at the office.

....

:eek:
might be true:lol:

doktor
May 31st, 2012, 02:44 AM
Family decision? :oh:

The Kaz
May 31st, 2012, 02:48 AM
It's a close relationship between the sisters. I can understand this. Even as a Serena fan, I found it hard to concentrate yesterday and today. This loss in particular would have been SO SO HARD for their family. Serena's camp is Venus's camp too, don't forget that.

It is pathetic though, Serena shows no similar behavioral trends at all.

Cry me a river... Serena lost one match! Get over it! :rolleyes:

le bon vivant
May 31st, 2012, 03:40 AM
I think on some level Venus feels, especially at a tournament like RG where she has no emotional investment, if Serena is gone its just not fun anymore. :shrug: I think it definitely makes her lose some of her fight, and she's more willing to be over it (unless its Wimbledon, of course).

I think Serena feels a similar level of attachment, its just that she becomes revenge minded when someone beats Venus, and feels like she has to retain the family honor. Whereas Venus is ready to move on to the next.

Shvedbarilescu
May 31st, 2012, 09:13 AM
Did any of you really expect her to beat the World #3 on clay at this phase of her career. The worst thing of all as some of you are fans too, Venus deserves better fans than that. Applaud her for even playing the French, an event she hasnt had a hope on in almost a decade now, rather than just heading to England early to prepare for Wimbledon, and agonizing over a loss than 99% knew would happen.

Great post, nothing more to say. :yeah:

Clearly people cannot read...

I didn't say WHEN ONE LOSES THE OTHER LOSES AS WELL

I said she plays like garbage.. levels well below her capability. I didn't expect her to win this match but how utterly pathetic her performance was is inexplicable.

I saw some quotes from after the match and it seemed she was more upset about Serena losing than herself.

1) Venus is not prone to self pity.
2) The odds were always against Venus today but I would say her best shot at winning meant that she needed to be ultra aggressive and go for more in the way of low percentage shots than she normally does and hope that most of them drop in. Unfortunately for her they didn't. This is especially common when a player who is used to hitting a lot of winners finds they are unable to do so against an opponent. What happens? They go for too much. I would agree Venus could have played better but to suggest she wasn't trying her very best is actually insulting.

J4m3ka
May 31st, 2012, 10:03 AM
I don't think it had anything to do with Serena's loss really. Even in her prime years on tour Venus struggled against good defenders at RG. She's not a bad red clay court player at all, but has played disappointingly at RG over the years, so expecting her to easily beat the World #3, aged 31 and suffering from an auto-immune disease was very wishful thinking. Of course as a fan I was rooting for her and would have loved to see her win, but under the current circumstances it did look unlikely.

I know as a fan we all remember how good Venus can potentially play and we want to see that form again so much that it's easy to get carried away.

Shvedbarilescu
May 31st, 2012, 10:27 AM
I don't think it had anything to do with Serena's loss really. Even in her prime years on tour Venus struggled against good defenders at RG. She's not a bad red clay court player at all, but has played disappointingly at RG over the years, so expecting her to easily beat the World #3, aged 31 and suffering from an auto-immune disease was very wishful thinking. Of course as a fan I was rooting for her and would have loved to see her win, but under the current circumstances it did look unlikely.

I know as a fan we all remember how good Venus can potentially play and we want to see that form again so much that it's easy to get carried away.

Wise post with a great sense of perspective and balance. :yeah:

aselto
May 31st, 2012, 10:43 AM
It's hard to blame Venus on any deliberate tanking or not caring once Serena is out.

However, I'm not sure how I feel about her continuing her career. Her name is still a big brand that attracts people to watch good performances, but she can't reliably prepare herself and people get to see bad matches like yesterday's.

On the other hand, it's amazing that she still plays when most players her age are already retired and she makes her struggle with the disease public. A real inspiration for people to continue to try achieve something no matter the circumstances.

SilverPersian
May 31st, 2012, 11:04 AM
I'm a little bit surprised that there are some Venus fans telling her to retire from singles. Her return hasn't been spectacular, but she's had two victories over top ten players and has qualified for the Olympics virtually out of nowhere. She might never be a slam winner again, but if she's enjoying herself and is healthy enough, of course she should keep playing as long as she is happy doing so.

Aga has done this to quite a lot of good players in the last year or so. I'm sure Vee could have done better, but this result is not a tragedy.

Marcus1979
May 31st, 2012, 11:51 AM
I can at least partly agree with this, there have been occasions in the past where Venus seemed to care more for Serena than for herself. The way Aga played Venus would always have had a tough time beating her today though.

Remember when Serena beat Venus here in 2002 she was taking photos and everything :lol:

Comebacksova
May 31st, 2012, 11:52 AM
It's like she has no motivation to play when she realizes she can't beat her sister in front of the crowd. Not like she does it very often though. :shrug:

2Black
May 31st, 2012, 02:31 PM
Apparently she had no energy yesterday due to the disease. So sad ... I suspect it was also the disease that got her in 2010 when she had that listless performance against Nadia Petrova.

_marial_
May 31st, 2012, 03:36 PM
I don't care.

Marcus1979
May 31st, 2012, 03:39 PM
Venus losing early in Roland Garros is not new. IN 2001 she lost first round to Barbara Schett and then went on to win Wimbledon altho she is older now just pointing out even in her peak years she had that shocker performance in her.

HippityHop
May 31st, 2012, 04:09 PM
Venus losing early in Roland Garros is not new. IN 2001 she lost first round to Barbara Schett and then went on to win Wimbledon altho she is older now just pointing out even in her peak years she had that shocker performance in her.

True. As Mary Carillo said about that loss, "Schett happens". :lol:

Fuzzylogic
May 31st, 2012, 05:02 PM
It's what happens when you time you menstrual cycles together...

saul1333
Jun 1st, 2012, 12:21 PM
Same thing for Aga this tourney :sad: