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Leo St
May 28th, 2012, 06:54 PM
H2H: venus 5-2 radwanska (match up)
slam count: 7-0 (experience)

on the other hand..

ranking: 53-3 (match play)
age: 31-23 (fitness)

Craig.
May 28th, 2012, 06:56 PM
I want to see tears, Venus. TEARS.

King Halep
May 28th, 2012, 06:56 PM
take out the trash

MercuriePL
May 28th, 2012, 06:57 PM
Well, Agnieszka in 2 harder sets.
Verrorus Williams is too shaky.

In The Zone
May 28th, 2012, 06:57 PM
Venus, 6-2 7-5.

debby
May 28th, 2012, 06:57 PM
I want to see tears, Venus. TEARS.

I think there will be tears, no matter who will win. :lol:

madmax
May 28th, 2012, 06:58 PM
Radwanska in under an hour in two routine sets

Roookie
May 28th, 2012, 06:59 PM
Aga's got this

saul1333
May 28th, 2012, 06:59 PM
Good luck.

Macomere
May 28th, 2012, 07:00 PM
Radwanska in under an hour in two routine sets

we are not talking about the 2012 Miami final :wavey:

starin
May 28th, 2012, 07:00 PM
If Venus can keep her errors and most importantly keep her ros errors in control she'll win easily. Otherwise it could be a complete mess.

debby
May 28th, 2012, 07:00 PM
I say Radwanska in three sets, but I would not be surprised if Venus wins it in straights.

Domo19
May 28th, 2012, 07:00 PM
After today Aga's match definetely Aga ... great defence and still some offensive play ^__^

Mistress of Evil
May 28th, 2012, 07:00 PM
Snatch & send her wig back to Poland! :sobbing:

Simugna Help
May 28th, 2012, 07:01 PM
Venus should prove a difficult opponent, but hopefully Aga can do it.

Gilas.
May 28th, 2012, 07:05 PM
If Aga serves well, she will win. One of Vinas' shots should break down eventually. In Miami, it was the serve. Hopefully Aga can pull through in 2 because her next matches won't get easier.

dsanders06
May 28th, 2012, 07:05 PM
Strangely enough, I feel like clay actually helps Venus in this match-up. Radwanska's weight of shot is still so piss-poor, that her shots just stop dead after the bounce on clay, which means if Venus can just get her racquet on Radwanska's shots then it should be fairly easy for her to redirect them wherever she wants ... even Halep was hitting winners at will against her whenever she could be arsed in the Brussels final.

Going for Venus in 3. Something like 6-3 4-6 6-1.

Either would go into a 3rd-round match against Kuznetsova as the underdog imo though.

doomsday
May 28th, 2012, 07:05 PM
we are not talking about the 2012 Miami final :wavey:

Don't :lol:

Irute
May 28th, 2012, 07:06 PM
I hope Aga will take it, but I don't think anyone has an answer to this one. Win or lose it is a sport, great 2nd round.

debby
May 28th, 2012, 07:07 PM
we are not talking about the 2012 Miami final :wavey:

:worship:

marineblue
May 28th, 2012, 07:08 PM
I will give the edge to Venus. In Miami she was tired after playing long difficult matches and took out Kvitova in early round. IF she's fit then she'll win this in straight sets.

aguy9797
May 28th, 2012, 07:08 PM
It is all up to Aga, as she is a better player at the moment.

Aga is going to win if she serves well and hits with depth and precision.

Venus will win I Aga's serve is off and she hits those mid court puffballs :rolleyes:

Queen_Vee_92
May 28th, 2012, 07:10 PM
All previous matches in this h2h don't matter that much imo.

Radwanska is a much better player than the last time Venus won, and this years match was an exhausted Venus playing at about 10%.

That said, if Venus can return well and keep her errors low, then she has so much more opportunity to hurt Aga than vice versa. Radwanska has her consistency, but the match will be on Venus' racket.

Radwanska retrieved brilliantly today and that will trouble Venus, but Vee hit stronger and with more width than Bojana, and if Aga has to slice or loop as many as she did today, then Venus will just charger in and drive volley the shit out of it.

Venus has to win in 2 sets, but i think she'll be motivated to avenge her most disappoiting loss this year, and open up her draw so i'll go for Miss Williams 6-4, 6-4

Welcome1
May 28th, 2012, 07:10 PM
In Miami it was a walk in the park for Agatha. Doubt that Venus can do something to Radwanska. Well, not that Venus ... Seriously, she's just barely survived Ormaechea.

Vikapower
May 28th, 2012, 07:11 PM
Radwanska in under an hour in two routine sets

Yep. 6-2 6-2 or 6-3 6-1 for me.

Though I'm not Aga's biggest fan hope she doesn't lose too much sweat in the process.

Queenpova
May 28th, 2012, 07:12 PM
I want Venus to win but Vulture will.

it-girl
May 28th, 2012, 07:13 PM
Supporting Venus Williams 100%

Bayo
May 28th, 2012, 07:14 PM
I think Aga will win, but don't have the heart to vote that way.

Go Venus.

scandic78
May 28th, 2012, 07:14 PM
Oh dang I'm torn. Want both of them through but I guess Aga will do this nice and cleanly.

Trickle
May 28th, 2012, 07:15 PM
Aga in 2 sets, 6-4, 7-5.

John.
May 28th, 2012, 07:16 PM
I think clay gives Venus the edge. Going for her in 2

DefyingGravity
May 28th, 2012, 07:16 PM
For some reason, I feel like this is a lot like the Jankovic-Venus 3R from 2007, and that Venus will eventually hit herself into exhaustion. Aga in 3. Though I obviously would want Venus to win this match.

Pump-it-UP
May 28th, 2012, 07:16 PM
This is such a good matchup for Venus, so I can't vote against her. Hopefully it won't take her 45 minutes to warm up.

SAISAI-GOAT
May 28th, 2012, 07:16 PM
Come On Venus :sobbing:

madmax
May 28th, 2012, 07:18 PM
we are not talking about the 2012 Miami final :wavey:

Venus fan making fun of a player, who reaches finals in almost every event?:lol:
When was the last time HasBeenus featured in a big final anyway?:unsure:

Macomere
May 28th, 2012, 07:19 PM
Venus fan making fun of a player, who reaches finals in almost every event?:lol:
When was the last time HasBeenus featured in a big final anyway?:unsure:
and loses the majority of them you forgot to add :kiss:


btw, when is the last time Pova won a major? :wavey:

Break My Rapture
May 28th, 2012, 07:19 PM
Collect that wig, and shut up her obnoxious fans (at least one of them is racist) Venus.

Break My Rapture
May 28th, 2012, 07:20 PM
Oh and save the WTA. etc etc

C. Drone
May 28th, 2012, 07:20 PM
by comments this sounds like a cagefight :lol:

RVD
May 28th, 2012, 07:22 PM
Seems to me that Venus prepared extremely well for this year's RG, as demonstrated by her last match.
Her focus is high, and her footwork waaay better than in the past.
That said, I just hope for an entertaining match and may the better player (hopefully) on that day to wins.

My hope is Venus in 3.

madmax
May 28th, 2012, 07:22 PM
and loses the majority of them you forgot to add :kiss:


btw, when is the last time Pova won a major? :wavey:

the same year as HasBeenus, before career threatening injury stopped her...:wavey:

Andrewraven
May 28th, 2012, 07:23 PM
I'm hoping venus can pull through this one, i hope she is sharp from the get go, if she starts spraying balls everywhere, aga in 2 sets, if venus is playing well she should win.

Macomere
May 28th, 2012, 07:25 PM
the same year as HasBeenus, before career threatening injury stopped her...:wavey:

like a true Mashabator, out comes the shoulder excuse :yawn:

Tennisstar86
May 28th, 2012, 07:25 PM
I want to see tears, Venus. TEARS.

:rolls:

3 sets. One of them really easy for Venus. Not sure who wins it though.

LoLex
May 28th, 2012, 07:26 PM
Radwanska easily.

*jinx*

Petronius
May 28th, 2012, 07:27 PM
Two things are sure on the matchday: the sun will rise and there'll be 300+ posts in the matchthread if Venus pulls an upset.

Radwanska in two.

Angelus87
May 28th, 2012, 07:27 PM
I think it s shame that one of them will said Bye. i like how Venus fight in her games. i can t wait for that.

btw when round 2 ? 30.05 start?

new-york
May 28th, 2012, 07:29 PM
ALLEZ.

Stonerpova
May 28th, 2012, 07:30 PM
Probably Aggie, but I want Venus to destroy her.

awsk8er
May 28th, 2012, 07:32 PM
Two things are sure on the matchday: the sun will rise and there'll be 300+ posts in the matchthread if Venus pulls an upset.

Radwanska in two.

yes all of them really slaying Aga even if its close :help: and TBH i dont see Aga winning this one:sad: . oh well we will see.

lee station
May 28th, 2012, 07:32 PM
go v-legs :worship:

olivero
May 28th, 2012, 07:37 PM
Before the draw was made I wanted Venus to go far here but now I'm just keeping my fingers crossed Agnieszka can survive this. This could go either way really. Hoping for a good match.

awsk8er
May 28th, 2012, 07:37 PM
Collect that wig, and shut up her obnoxious fans (at least one of them is racist) Venus.

if you see any racist comments you should report it to the mods:rolleyes:. dont try to give Aga fans a bad name on the basis of one idiot.

donniedarkofan
May 28th, 2012, 07:41 PM
I'll be sad with either one loosing. I think Venus can definitely win this if she's playing her game, however Radwanska, despite her least favourite surface, is on fire lately and very confident. Definitely interesting match coming up.

Break My Rapture
May 28th, 2012, 07:41 PM
if you see any racist comments you should report it to the mods:rolleyes:. dont try to give Aga fans a bad name on the basis of one idiot.
TBH that was only directed towards the trolls in Agatha's fanbase. You know who you are. :) Not all of Aga's fans are obnoxious obviously.

Simugna Help
May 28th, 2012, 07:44 PM
TBH that was only directed towards the trolls in Agatha's fanbase. You know who you are. :) Not all of Aga's fans are obnoxious obviously.

You're the one to talk. The most (and only, when it comes to think of it) obnoxious Azarenka stan on TF.:lol:

Break My Rapture
May 28th, 2012, 07:46 PM
You're the one to talk. The most (and only, when it comes to think of it) obnoxious Azarenka stan on TF.:lol:
It's good that you recognised yourself when I was talking about obnoxious trolls. :lol:

sweetadri06
May 28th, 2012, 07:46 PM
Difficult for me to predict this. Venus can come out guns blazing or it could be a mess. I still don't thin she is comfortable on this surface and Aga has confidence right now. I'll go with Aga in three.

treufreund
May 28th, 2012, 07:47 PM
The only one who consistently gets little respect despite playing very well for several months now is Agatha. Nobody needs racism to root against the Williams sisters. They earned a lot of haters by not being particularly likeable. Sloane Stephens, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Chanda Rubin are all black players who have not had haters. And don't give me that excuse that they don't have haters because they have not been successful.

debby
May 28th, 2012, 07:49 PM
The only one who consistently gets little respect despite playing very well for several months now is Agatha. Nobody needs racism to root against the Williams sisters. They earned a lot of haters by not being particularly likeable. Sloane Stephens, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Chanda Rubin are all black players who have not had haters. And don't give me that excuse that they don't have haters because they have not been successful.

But admit they have racist haters too.

sweetadri06
May 28th, 2012, 07:49 PM
The only one who consistently gets little respect despite playing very well for several months now is Agatha. Nobody needs racism to root against the Williams sisters. They earned a lot of haters by not being particularly likeable. Sloane Stephens, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Chanda Rubin are all black players who have not had haters. And don't give me that excuse that they don't have haters because they have not been successful.

Stop being delusional. :rolleyes:

Aryman3
May 28th, 2012, 07:49 PM
Some people still believe that Aga feels not comfortable on clay.
Today's match should be the big warning for Venus fans

VishaalMaria
May 28th, 2012, 07:49 PM
Venus fan making fun of a player, who reaches finals in almost every event?:lol:
When was the last time HasBeenus featured in a big final anyway?:unsure:

I am sure Venus is crying over Maria's 3-6 0-6 loss at the Australian Open.:tape:

As always, at a tournament there's only one winner; the rest are losers. Even Sharapova says that.

Slamlesswanska
May 28th, 2012, 07:50 PM
C`mon my little lady!

gaja kesari
May 28th, 2012, 07:50 PM
This is a heartbreaking second round match-up for me. A life-long fan of Agnieszka, with Venus as very close second, I'm going to be watching it with my BFF, who's a life-long fan of Venus, with Radwanska coming a close second. I think we might need a bottle of wine to get through this one, whatever the time of day :lol:

Charlatan
May 28th, 2012, 07:50 PM
Come on, Queen Vee :armed: Get that wig and send her back to .... :cheer:

Macomere
May 28th, 2012, 07:52 PM
Some people still believe that Aga feels not comfortable on clay.
Today's match should be the big warning for Venus fans

Jovanovski? :spit: oh please :haha:

awsk8er
May 28th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Come on, Queen Vee :armed: Get that wig and send her back to .... :cheer:

you are really boring and repetitive lately.:zzz:

Matt01
May 28th, 2012, 07:56 PM
Even though clay isn't her best surface, I have to go with Aga here. She is in good form and beat Venus rather easily last time this year.

Charlatan
May 28th, 2012, 07:56 PM
you are really boring and repetitive lately.:zzz:

are you and vspak the same person? :unsure:

Simugna Help
May 28th, 2012, 08:02 PM
Jovanovski? :spit: oh please :haha:

Yes, completely different match-up. That said, Venus stans' reactions were identical after she beat a #120 scrub.

awsk8er
May 28th, 2012, 08:02 PM
are you and vspak the same person? :unsure:

yeah right :lol: its just really tired now.

The Dawntreader
May 28th, 2012, 08:02 PM
Depends how well Venus serves and returns. The minute she has to get involved in those horrible neutral rallies, then Venus will be at a disadvantage.

The good thing for Venus is she'll be the constant aggressor in this match, with a good amount of puffballs to unload on. Always a luxury when playing Radwanska.

scandic78
May 28th, 2012, 08:04 PM
:tape: :help: at some of the the hate and aggression in this thread

flareon
May 28th, 2012, 08:05 PM
I want to see tears, Venus. TEARS.

:sobbing: too funny

vspak
May 28th, 2012, 08:05 PM
are you and vspak the same person? :unsure:

You wish :bigwave:
Im here :angel:

jameshazza
May 28th, 2012, 08:06 PM
I feel for Aga with the commentators hyping this match up as something Amazing, we all saw what Vee at her worst was doing to Aga's serves with her return and volleying. If Vee is on, this ain't gonna be pretty. She really only has to be marginally better than in Miami to win this.

awsk8er
May 28th, 2012, 08:06 PM
:tape: :help: at some of the the hate and aggression in this thread

nothing unusual in an Aga- related topic :devil:

volta
May 28th, 2012, 08:06 PM
It's amazing how people that don't care for either player rushed in here to say something :o

As for the match... they are 2 of my fav players but Vee will always come first so Hopefully Vee wil win it in 2

The only one who consistently gets little respect despite playing very well for several months now is Agatha. Nobody needs racism to root against the Williams sisters. They earned a lot of haters by not being particularly likeable. Sloane Stephens, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Chanda Rubin are all black players who have not had haters. And don't give me that excuse that they don't have haters because they have not been successful.

Girl Bye.

You don't even know why some posters mentioned racism (the post was deleted by a mod) and yet you want to use the williams name on your font? Have a copenhagen open seat :rolleyes:

flareon
May 28th, 2012, 08:10 PM
some of the comments in this thread, some fans are so delusional... I am hoping for a three set match, not sure who will win we shall have to wait and see.

new-york
May 28th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Aga unless Venus unleashes the dragon.

Go Veen.

RyanGuy
May 28th, 2012, 08:14 PM
Venus knows what's at stake, she will bring it from the start!! Venus 6-2 6-3

Charlatan
May 28th, 2012, 08:17 PM
Have a copenhagen open seat :rolleyes:

:spit:

flareon
May 28th, 2012, 08:20 PM
Venus knows what's at stake, she will bring it from the start!! Venus 6-2 6-3

This is true, plus venus would of had two days off, aga has basically been playing already for a week an a half, granted she did not play very much but still, its going to catch up with her, he saving grace was bojo did not play tennis today...

Brad[le]y.
May 28th, 2012, 08:21 PM
I wish they didn't have to meet so early :( I wanted both to have good runs :sad:

AjdeNate!
May 28th, 2012, 08:22 PM
Venus 6-4, 6-4

Chip.
May 28th, 2012, 08:23 PM
Aga had better be calling that doctor complaining of a severe case of alopecia on Wednesday :cool:

MaSharp
May 28th, 2012, 08:24 PM
I want Venus to win, but probably Aga will be better.

18majors
May 28th, 2012, 08:34 PM
Win the match please, Venus.

Domo19
May 28th, 2012, 08:42 PM
I wish they didn't have to meet so early :( I wanted both to have good runs :sad:

Me too why they cannot meet for example in Quaterfinal :fiery::fiery::fiery:

vozas
May 28th, 2012, 08:42 PM
Jupiter in 2. This is a slam people. The vulture has no business beating legends.

doooma6816
May 28th, 2012, 08:43 PM
I actually think Venus will win easily.

cn ireland
May 28th, 2012, 09:17 PM
Radwanska in 3!

Domo19
May 28th, 2012, 09:24 PM
Aga in two like 6:3 6:3

kwilliams
May 28th, 2012, 09:25 PM
Best of luck, Venus! I hope you have a good day at the office :)

Charlatan
May 28th, 2012, 09:39 PM
Me too why they cannot meet for example in Quaterfinal :fiery::fiery::fiery:

then vulture will be a step closer to her first slam semifinal, which shall be blasphemy...that's why...not that she is winning over vee anyway

MegaDethly
May 28th, 2012, 09:43 PM
take out the trash

Who is trash?

Miss Amor
May 28th, 2012, 09:49 PM
I can just picture Venus hitting a good shot from a difficult position, coming to the net and then netting an easy smash/Dfing and missing easy sitters on all the important points :sobbing:. Not to mention her ability to give away several service games by missing hordes of returns in a row.

Venus can still play decent tennis, but her clutch tennis is nowhere to be seen (for a while now); and given Radwanska's confidence level and ability to get the ball in play its going to be tough.

aguy9797
May 28th, 2012, 09:51 PM
Beauty of this match is that Venus has to play really well to beat Aga, and Aga has to play really well to beat Venus.

Either way someone will have to show up playing really solid tennis, this is why I am excited about this 2nd round match!!!!

Halepsova
May 28th, 2012, 10:04 PM
Good bye, Venus. :sad:

fouc
May 28th, 2012, 10:27 PM
Aga in 2.

Maddox
May 28th, 2012, 10:32 PM
Venus Venus Venus :cheer:

Jerem
May 28th, 2012, 10:53 PM
Venus used to defeat Aga easily before they met in Miami QF, but in that match she was obviously exhausted after her comeback... Venus struggled a little in the first round but Aga and Ormaechea are two different players with very different games.
I really can't say who's the favourite for this match... I would like to see Aga victorious, but Venus could win it in straight sets.

LANGAM
May 28th, 2012, 10:55 PM
I hope Venus wins this one. It will be good to see her do well at this FO.

Lord Choc Ice
May 28th, 2012, 11:02 PM
I don't care if you've got Sjogrens Vee, if you lose this I'll hate you :fiery:.

Dodoboy.
May 28th, 2012, 11:06 PM
Venus is well rested. 2 Days off, great chance for her.

I pick her to win this in 2. I just find it hard to see her losing to Aga twice, she won't be in the same state she was in in Miami.

It's an important match for Vee's comeback. I'll respect Aga if she can win this, I hope she doesn't.

danieln1
May 28th, 2012, 11:13 PM
Maybe it will be like Miami, Aga wearing Venus down.

Maybe Venus will be fired up because the Olympics and play well

Chatrier material this one :cool:

Belmont Lad
May 28th, 2012, 11:20 PM
Aga. Straight sets.

melodynelson
May 28th, 2012, 11:39 PM
I want Venus to win this, not just because she's a great champion and I'm rooting for her to succeed in her comeback from such hardship, but to see the idiot Polish Hagatha fans just shut up and sit down somewhere.

Linda R
May 29th, 2012, 12:18 AM
Tough one, went for Radwanska, but with no real conviction

Irute
May 29th, 2012, 12:19 AM
I guess the result of this poll reflects the reality.

bandabou
May 29th, 2012, 12:56 AM
The only one who consistently gets little respect despite playing very well for several months now is Agatha. Nobody needs racism to root against the Williams sisters. They earned a lot of haters by not being particularly likeable. Sloane Stephens, Jo-Wilfried Tsonga, Chanda Rubin are all black players who have not had haters. And don't give me that excuse that they don't have haters because they have not been successful.

You don't know what you're talking about..obviously.

winone23
May 29th, 2012, 02:42 AM
I can just picture Venus hitting a good shot from a difficult position, coming to the net and then netting an easy smash/Dfing and missing easy sitters on all the important points :sobbing:. Not to mention her ability to give away several service games by missing hordes of returns in a row.

Venus can still play decent tennis, but her clutch tennis is nowhere to be seen (for a while now); and given Radwanska's confidence level and ability to get the ball in play its going to be tough.

Wrong, Venus has been clutch in a few matches this year.

fede33
May 29th, 2012, 02:58 AM
Aga in 2
6-2 7-5 :shrug::shrug:

SymphonyX
May 29th, 2012, 03:00 AM
KILL DIS B1TCH VEE. You betta!

Heart says Venus. Head says Ughwandska.

But yeah, Vinaz in 2 tight sets.

Svetlana)))
May 29th, 2012, 03:04 AM
Come on V, smash that vulture to pieces!

HRHoliviasmith
May 29th, 2012, 03:05 AM
Aga got this in 3.

sxeraserhead
May 29th, 2012, 03:09 AM
Hopefully Venus wins this so I don't have to see people bring up the Miami match ever again as a legitimate victory for Aga. The only reason she won that match was because Venus was about to collapse on court.

tkutsaar
May 29th, 2012, 03:34 AM
I donít deny that a Venus victory is possible but I would be shocked. The reasons for expecting a Venus loss are too persuasive:

1. Venus has never won the FO and her only final appearance was in 2002 against her sister which was the latterís only final appearance as well.
2. The obvious conclusion one can draw is that clay is not the best surface for Venusí game. She has been a much more formidable opponent on grass and hard court than on clay.
3. She will be 32 years of age in a few weeks, absolutely ancient in the world of todayís womenís tennis. It would be one thing if she had been relatively free of injuries the past two years and had been a frequent competitor like Schiavonne who is almost her exact age but that has not been the case for Venus.
4. Venus is still good enough to beat rubes or otherwise also-rans in the WTA, but her opponent Agnieszla Radwanska is no rube. She is ranked No. 3 for a reason: i.e. she has won a lot recently.

I am not surprised by the closeness of the voting in this poll as obviously Venus has lots of fans herein who have hope in their hearts.

MrProdigy555
May 29th, 2012, 03:42 AM
I feel like this one is a toss up, though it reminds me of when Venus played Kvitova this year. Everyone counting her out. Also, I don't think Venus will be as tired as she was the last time they played, so this should be interesting.

I cannot choose. :)

*of course hoping for a Venus victory.

Foxy
May 29th, 2012, 03:43 AM
I don’t deny that a Venus victory is possible but I would be shocked. The reasons for expecting a Venus loss are too persuasive:

1. Venus has never won the FO and her only final appearance was in 2002 against her sister which was the latter’s only final appearance as well.
2. The obvious conclusion one can draw is that clay is not the best surface for Venus’ game. She has been a much more formidable opponent on grass and hard court than on clay.
3. She will be 32 years of age in a few weeks, absolutely ancient in the world of today’s women’s tennis. It would be one thing if she had been relatively free of injuries the past two years and had been a frequent competitor like Schiavonne who is almost her exact age but that has not been the case for Venus.
4. Venus is still good enough to beat rubes or otherwise also-rans in the WTA, but her opponent Agnieszla Radwanska is no rube. She is ranked No. 3 for a reason: i.e. she has won a lot recently.

I am not surprised by the closeness of the voting in this poll as obviously Venus has lots of fans herein who have hope in their hearts.


This is pretty much the same argument that was stated when she played Sammie.

Everybody talked about Venus' age and how Sam was a top 10 player and Venus couldn't possibly beat Sammy, but guess what Sammis is a WAY BETTER clay court player than Aggie, and Venus beat her in 2 straight sets.

Trust me, Richard is at the FO to make sure that Venus steps up her game because he's her coach and he knows how to motivate her better than anyone. All of Venus' Grand Slams were won when Richard was coaching her. Richard knows that Venus has been given these tricky draws early on to eliminate her out of these tournaments. But Venus Ebony Starr Williams will be ready for Aggie Radwannabe a Grand Slam Winner. :haha:

Aggie is only as good as she is because she was able to get her rankings up with a weak field.:lol:

Charlatan
May 29th, 2012, 03:49 AM
every time i see those big purple fonts, i feel bad for my eyes! and those of posters on TF who bare to read them, for that matter :sad:

2Black
May 29th, 2012, 03:58 AM
God whatever you do,don't allow sjogren disease to show up on Wednesday. I pray Venus has power, focus & plenty of energy!!! If so, she'll be fine win or lose.

MrProdigy555
May 29th, 2012, 04:00 AM
I live for that big, purple font!!! :lol:

Buitenzorg
May 29th, 2012, 04:01 AM
Venus 6-4 6-3

tkutsaar
May 29th, 2012, 04:06 AM
This is pretty much the same argument that was stated when she played Sammie.

Everybody talked about Venus' age and how Sam was a top 10 player and Venus couldn't possibly beat Sammy, but guess what Sammis is a WAY BETTER clay court player than Aggie, and Venus beat her in 2 straight sets.

Trust me, Richard is at the FO to make sure that Venus steps up her game because he's her coach and he knows how to motivate her better than anyone. All of Venus' Grand Slams were won when Richard was coaching her. Richard knows that Venus has been given these tricky draws early on to eliminate her out of these tournaments. But Venus Ebony Starr Williams will be ready for Aggie Radwannabe a Grand Slam Winner. :haha:

Aggie is only as good as she is because she was able to get her rankings up with a weak field.:lol:



I would have normally considered your response and argument seriously until that idiotic assertion which I have highlighted. To believe that there is a cabal to deliberately fix tough draws against Venus is the kind of thinking usually reserved to the intellectually deranged; like those that donít believe Pres Obama was born in the US or that Elvis Presley is still alive and has been spotted at shopping malls.

MrProdigy555
May 29th, 2012, 04:09 AM
I would have normally considered your response and argument seriously until that idiotic assertion which I have highlighted. To believe that there is a cabal to deliberately fix tough draws against Venus is the kind of thinking usually reserved to the intellectually deranged; like those that donít believe Pres Obama was born in the US or that Elvis Presley is still alive and has been spotted at shopping malls.
As deranged as people truly believing when Serena and Venus played each other they "chose" who would win? :unsure:

gmokb
May 29th, 2012, 04:24 AM
Venus all the way:D

Vuvurenka
May 29th, 2012, 04:58 AM
Radwanska in 2. 6-3 7-5

stromatolite
May 29th, 2012, 05:29 AM
This is really really hard to pick, but I think Aga will edge this one in 3.

samsam4087
May 29th, 2012, 05:51 AM
Venus in two tough sets

Serenus Christ
May 29th, 2012, 06:08 AM
Radwanska

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p578/mariahlamb1/danger2.gif

tennisforadults
May 29th, 2012, 06:11 AM
No way Radwanska is losing this.

Tech1
May 29th, 2012, 06:11 AM
Good luck, Vee!!

Foxy
May 29th, 2012, 06:45 AM
every time i see those big purple fonts, i feel bad for my eyes! and those of posters on TF who bare to read them, for that matter :sad:

Then I suggest you don't read my post. Evidently you keep reading them because like an idiot you keep responding to them. I don't respond to your post because they don't interest me, and the ONLY reason I'm addressing you is because you made a comment about my post.

I'm not posting for you to like my opinion or the manner in which I'm delivering it. I'm posting because I have the freedom to do so, and I'm entitled to my opinion, and if you don't like it then you can kiss me where the sun don't shine. :lol:

DOUBLEFIST
May 29th, 2012, 06:48 AM
Venus in 3.

darrinbaker00
May 29th, 2012, 06:48 AM
I would have normally considered your response and argument seriously until that idiotic assertion which I have highlighted. To believe that there is a cabal to deliberately fix tough draws against Venus is the kind of thinking usually reserved to the intellectually deranged; like those that donít believe Pres Obama was born in the US or that Elvis Presley is still alive and has been spotted at shopping malls.

Elvis IS still alive. I saw him at Burger King the other night with Tupac. ;)

Direwolf
May 29th, 2012, 06:50 AM
Then I suggest you don't read my post. Evidently you keep reading them because like an idiot you keep responding to them. I don't respond to your post because they don't interest me, and the ONLY reason I'm addressing you is because you made a comment about my post.

I'm not posting for you to like my opinion or the manner in which I'm delivering it. I'm posting because I have the freedom to do so, and I'm entitled to my opinion, and if you don't like it then you can kiss me where the sun don't shine. :lol:


There are neutral peeps who likes reading the opinion of others, pro or against.
Posting in purple is not an opinion.
And it's really annoying especially for people who wants to read your post.

NashaMasha
May 29th, 2012, 06:53 AM
Radwanska is a nobody if we compare her with present Venus... She has only a chance that Venus will have a bad day and all her strikes go out and in the net.....

Hopefully , it won't happen . For sure if Venus playes like in her match with Sharapova , French Open will be finished for this Polish Girl

Foxy
May 29th, 2012, 06:55 AM
I would have normally considered your response and argument seriously until that idiotic assertion which I have highlighted. To believe that there is a cabal to deliberately fix tough draws against Venus is the kind of thinking usually reserved to the intellectually deranged; like those that don’t believe Pres Obama was born in the US or that Elvis Presley is still alive and has been spotted at shopping malls.

TKUTSAAR, do like the others and kiss me where the sun don't shine. You idiots have a hard time accepting the fact that everyone on this board is posting their opinion about something.

Apparently you all must like reading my statements because you keep commenting on them. Name one time that I've responding to something you've stated with the exception of this post because you responded to me.

I IGNORE YOU IDIOTS with narrow minds, who's opinion don't matter to me. Whatever I read on this board regardless if I agree with it or not, you still have the right to state what you think.

It's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

And you try to imply that you are an intellectual, well if you were you'd know how to accept a difference of opinion and thought.

May be you should try it and then you can be an intellectual too.:lol:

cowsonice
May 29th, 2012, 06:56 AM
Either way, TF database error.

vspak
May 29th, 2012, 06:59 AM
Agnieszka probably win when Venus will have a lot of run ... left.. right.. dropshot.. volley.. etc.

Foxy
May 29th, 2012, 07:00 AM
There are neutral peeps who likes reading the opinion of others, pro or against.
Posting in purple is not an opinion.
And it's really annoying especially for people who wants to read your post.

Does the size of my font hurt your eyes or are you just jumping on the bandwagon because a few other small minded people have made comments.

Like I stated before if the size or color bothers you then you can choose not to read it. I don't read everything you all post on this board regardless if it is small and in black, and I don't attack you for what you say. However, I don't have any problem defending myself either.

Stamp Paid
May 29th, 2012, 07:07 AM
Hmm...I will be watching this one. :oh:

SELVEN
May 29th, 2012, 07:08 AM
Venus plz :sobbing:

MrSerenaWilliams
May 29th, 2012, 07:13 AM
Hmm...I will be watching this one. :oh:

This!


Win this match, and help Serena get to #3 in the world, big sis! :yeah:

MrProdigy555
May 29th, 2012, 07:29 AM
Radwanska is a nobody if we compare her with present Venus... She has only a chance that Venus will have a bad day and all her strikes go out and in the net.....

Hopefully , it won't happen . For sure if Venus playes like in her match with Sharapova , French Open will be finished for this Polish Girl
Venus did not play well in that match. Are you crazy? :lol: She looked so weak in that hitting routine forehands that barely even reached the net. :lol:

If she plays like she played against Stosur/Ivanovic then she will win.

Caipirinha Guy
May 29th, 2012, 07:30 AM
Hopefully , it won't happen . For sure if Venus playes like in her match with Sharapova , French Open will be finished for this Polish Girl

:lol: Russian nationalism strikes again. Congratz! День народного единства is not enough for you tu bully the Poles?

tkutsaar
May 29th, 2012, 07:35 AM
TKUTSAAR, do like the others and kiss me where the sun don't shine. You idiots have a hard time accepting the fact that everyone on this board is posting their opinion about something.

Apparently you all must like reading my statements because you keep commenting on them. Name one time that I've responding to something you've stated with the exception of this post because you responded to me.

I IGNORE YOU IDIOTS with narrow minds, who's opinion don't matter to me. Whatever I read on this board regardless if I agree with it or not, you still have the right to state what you think.

It's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

And you try to imply that you are an intellectual, well if you were you'd know how to accept a difference of opinion and thought.

May be you should try it and then you can be an intellectual too.:lol:



Just to recap our dialogue. I opined why I thought Radwanska would prevail over Venus and you responded with what I would consider some valid points in opposition. Unfortunately you also threw in a totally irrational assertion. You suggested there is a conspiracy that tournament organizers deliberately fix draws tougher for Venus to make it difficult for her to win a tournament. I presume you are implying there is some racism afloat, a charge that has become old hat.

That strikes me as an absolute ludicrous notion; patently so. It is wrong on so many counts that it has the effect of rendering your opinion worthless. Now I donít deny you have the right to express your opinion and I favor freedom of speech as well as anyone. Iím not sure how you came to the conclusion that somehow I am forbidding you to express your opinion. All Iím really saying is that your opinion is inane.

MrProdigy555
May 29th, 2012, 07:40 AM
Just to recap our dialogue. I opined why I thought Radwanska would prevail over Venus and you responded with what I would consider some valid points in opposition. Unfortunately you also threw in a totally irrational assertion. You suggested there is a conspiracy that tournament organizers deliberately fix draws tougher for Venus to make it difficult for her to win a tournament. I presume you are implying there is some racism afloat, a charge that has become old hat.

That strikes me as an absolute ludicrous notion; patently so. It is wrong on so many counts that it has the effect of rendering your opinion worthless. Now I donít deny you have the right to express your opinion and I favor freedom of speech as well as anyone. Iím not sure how you came to the conclusion that somehow I am forbidding you to express your opinion. All Iím really saying is that your opinion is inane.
If you think her opinion is inane is there any reason to even comment then? No. Leave her alone, let her share her opinion, without people unnecessarily attacking her, because I don't think she is attacking any of you...

NashaMasha
May 29th, 2012, 07:43 AM
:lol: Russian nationalism strikes again. Congratz! День народного единства is not enough for you tu bully the Poles?

what natinalism? if she is polish i call her polish , this is the only thing known to all about her

She is not blond, she is not hot, she is not stylish, she is not ....... (put any word) , she is just Polish

it is not used with any negative inclination


Venus did not play well in that match. Are you crazy? She looked so weak in that hitting routine forehands that barely even reached the net.

Because Sharapova didn't let her )) But Radwanska will not serve 180km/h and will not hold Venus on the baseline with deep powerful strikes. Radwanska is very vulnerable on her serve , wheras Venus is serving well. If it is not raining in Paris, serve will matter on this quite fast clay

doomsday
May 29th, 2012, 07:44 AM
If you think her opinion is inane is there any reason to even comment then? No. Leave her alone, let her share her opinion, without people unnecessarily attacking her, because I don't think she is attacking any of you...

And who are you?! Her lawyer. No one would pay attention to her if she wasn't trying so hard in every post by posting in size 8, in yellow, purple or whatever.

Simugna Help
May 29th, 2012, 07:47 AM
Venus pulled visibly ahead. TF doesn't want to jinx Aga :yeah:

NashaMasha
May 29th, 2012, 07:50 AM
Venus pulled visibly ahead. TF doesn't want to jinx Aga :yeah:

Jinx are not working against Williamses, Serena proved in Madrid

vspak
May 29th, 2012, 08:01 AM
what natinalism? if she is polish i call her polish , this is the only thing known to all about her

She is not blond, she is not hot, she is not stylish, she is not ....... (put any word) , she is just Polish


perhaps just for you :rolleyes:

ok, but blond hair, hot face, stylish and "..." dont play on the court :)
ps. masha is not super sexy woman - you've got obsessions :help:

vspak
May 29th, 2012, 08:04 AM
Because Sharapova didn't let her )) But Radwanska will not serve 180km/h and will not hold Venus on the baseline with deep powerful strikes. Radwanska is very vulnerable on her serve , wheras Venus is serving well. If it is not raining in Paris, serve will matter on this quite fast clay

This thread is not about Sharapova :facepalm:
Dont put her mustache wherever is possible :rolleyes:

Stamp Paid
May 29th, 2012, 08:09 AM
This!


Win this match, and help Serena get to #3 in the world, big sis! :yeah:Is that what happens, or are you tricking me into rooting for Serena's sister again?
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3zqf0GxYB1rpk1f8o1_500.gif

Foxy
May 29th, 2012, 08:10 AM
Just to recap our dialogue. I opined why I thought Radwanska would prevail over Venus and you responded with what I would consider some valid points in opposition. Unfortunately you also threw in a totally irrational assertion. You suggested there is a conspiracy that tournament organizers deliberately fix draws tougher for Venus to make it difficult for her to win a tournament. I presume you are implying there is some racism afloat, a charge that has become old hat.

That strikes me as an absolute ludicrous notion; patently so. It is wrong on so many counts that it has the effect of rendering your opinion worthless. Now I don’t deny you have the right to express your opinion and I favor freedom of speech as well as anyone. I’m not sure how you came to the conclusion that somehow I am forbidding you to express your opinion. All I’m really saying is that your opinion is inane.

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. There is a conspiracy with these organizers based on who they want to get to the second round. Maria Sharapova was ranked lower than Venus when she came back from her shoulder surgery, but the WTA would NOT let her play a top 10 player in the first, second, or third round of a tournament who had previously beaten Maria. Just go back a look at Venus, Serena, Kimmy, Oudin, Aggie, Kirilenko, and ALL of the players who had beaten Maria leading up to a grand slam and you will see that they were STRATEGICALLY placed on the other side of the draw. You don't have take my word for it, that's all you have to do is go back and see.

They didn't give Maria those top 10 people back-to-back like they've done Venus because they made sure that shoulder of hers would NOT take the stress of their strength.

And if it renders my opinion worthless, then why do you keep responding to my statement. After all, this isn't the first time that I've made this statement. You can't make the statement that my opinion is inane, without debunking my point. Go back and get proof for the past 4 year that it has taken Maria to get back on track, and show me how many times she ran into Venus, Serena, Kimmy, Justine, Aggie, and ALL of those who beat her.

Now one thing you will find is that ALL of the Russian who Maria beat on a constant basis were ALL on her side of the draw. I'm giving you a lot to disprove. Maria even had to say that it was years since she played Venus. Now why is that? It certainly is not because Venus was being eliminated from all of these draws early.

The pattern of the WTA keeping Maria out of Venus and Serena's way began when Serena demolished her at the AO Finals. Then after Venus was ranked #14 and she went Wimbledon and she got all of the people who had been beating her on a constant basis like Vidasova, Sprem, etc. and she was going to three set matches on the "grave yard" court, and she was barely winning while Maria was easily beating all of the opponents she had previously face. And when it got to the second week and Maria was to face Venus in the semi's, ALL of the commentators was talking about how Maria was gonna send Venus home because she had beaten her before and Venus had barely made it to the semi's. Brad Gilbert even stated that Maria was gonna send Venus home packing, but low and behold Venus transformed and took Maria to the shed.

Then Serena got her again in another tournament. Then Venus got her in another tournament and in an exhibition match in China I believe. They were beating Maria, and then the WTA quit putting her on their side of the draws. Now go and prove me wrong by pulling up 4 years of tournament draws and seeing for yourself how the pattern with Maria was shaping up to favor her.

Now you mentioned racism, not me. I must have struck a chord with you because I didn't say racism at all. I just felt that the WTA didn't want their to be the two sisters at the top of the game together anymore because they wanted Maria.

Now don't get me wrong, the WTA didn't want the Russians at the top with Maria because they felt that they were ALL ugly and did not have that tv appeal. Maria was their "white hope" for the standard of tennis. And she was their white hope over the sisters, the Russians, and all of the other players.

Like I stated before, you must like reading what I have to say because you keep commenting on it. My post are not submitted for everybody to like what I'm saying. Just try to observe what I'm saying.

I not only observed that about Venus. I've observed it about Serena too, and Maria is only in her section of the draw because the WTA and the media believes Serena will win this years FO. Serena thrashed both Victoria and Maria in her previous matches. Why do you think the WTA just all of a sudden placed Maria in Serena's side of the draw this time, especially since she just won Rome. Why would they place Maria on Serena's side of the draw when this is probably the best chance she'll have at winning a grand slam.

I'll tell you why Maria is on Serena's side of the draw. She's on her side of the draw because they don't want Serena to not only beat Maria to a pulp, but they don't want her to expose ALL OF THE FLAWS in her game in the FO Final game where the whole world will be watching. They don't want Serena to beat Maria 6-0, 6-1 like she did at the AO Finals where the whole WORLD was watching. So Victoria is the sacrificial lamb. Maria will get to exit before the finals so it won't look so bad on her an so her psyche won't be damaged.

Why do you think Victoria pulled out of Rome as the time grew closer to play Serena. She had no shoulder problem. She prematurely withdrew because she didn't realize is that Serena was going to withdraw to reserve her back.

This pattern of the WTA with Maria, the sisters and the other players, was clearly seen when Lindsey Davenport use to play with Hingis, Venus, and Serena. Lindsey was slow as hell and she got all of those players who she could beat, but he main problem was Serena. But they would give Venus and Serena the hardest draws when they first came on the scene.

And Venus use to struggle with Hingis, and they would always give Hingis to Venus until Venus got a read on her game and she and Serena would take turns beating her into the ground, and they forced her to retire. Venus, Serena, Kimmy, and Justine were well on their way to doing that to Maria and the WTA knew it too, and they let that girl avoid all four of these players.

Maria ONLY got to face Venus now that she's coming back from an auto immune disease and her health and game has been somewhat compromised. But when Venus was beating her they kept that girl out of Venus' way. And you can deny that all you want, but you can't disprove it because the draws will prove me right.

Maria only faced the opponents who she clearly beat. Come on now, how did Maria get that lucky 4 years in a row. How was it that during her rehabilitation she was able to avoid Venus, Serena, Kimmy, Justine, and all of the players who was taking her out. How could she manage that time after time.

Sammy beat Venus and then she was IMMEDIATELY placed on Venus' side of the draw in the following tournament, and guess what Venus beat her, and like the others now Sammy isn't on Venus' side of the draw. That's too coincidental. They pulled that crap when Jankovic kept beating Venus and she placed in Venus' path to send her home early, and she did for several tournaments until Venus decided enough was enough. And guess what, like Sammy, Jankovic was no longer placed in her path. This pattern can be seen with Sprem, Schett, Vidasova, Jankovic, Sammy, and all the others, who were constantly placed to eliminate Venus

Now Aggie is facing Venus again; right after she had just beaten Venus in a previous match. And that's because she is there to knock Venus out of the tournament early, but Venus is gonna do her like she did Sammy.

Ask yourself why Aggie? Why not Petra, Sammy, and Ana? I'll answer it. That's because they don't want Venus to go far in this tournament.

Stamp Paid
May 29th, 2012, 08:16 AM
Oh my :lol:

donniedarkofan
May 29th, 2012, 08:16 AM
And Venus use to struggle with Hingis, and they would always give Hingis to Venus until Venus got a read on her game and she and Serena would take turns beating her into the ground, and they forced her to retire.


:lol::lol::lol:
You wish!
Hingis' head to head vs Williams sisters is quite impressive, esp vs Venus. Delusional, much.

TennisFan66
May 29th, 2012, 08:27 AM
TF voting aside and acknowledging I haven't seen any levels yet, but I'd be surprised if Radwanska is not an about 1.5 fave.

Alejandrawrrr
May 29th, 2012, 08:30 AM
Foxy's essays :eek::bowdown:

doomsday
May 29th, 2012, 08:34 AM
where is Vozas and his Maria is on your mind GIF, it would perfectly suit Foxy's posts :lol::lol::lol:

tkutsaar
May 29th, 2012, 08:35 AM
..There is a conspiracy with these organizers based on who they want to get to the second round...



As I said before there are people that believe Elvis Presley is alive but at least as Elvis would now be 77 year of age if alive, the number of believers are dwindling. There are people that donít believe that Pres Kennedy was solely assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald. There are people that believe 9/11 was an inside job ordered by Pres Bush. Your belief in a conspiracy to fix draws against Venus falls into such a category of insane irrational belief.

You need not fear of any further responses from me, because I can tell no cogent reasonable argument would be able to dissuade you from your belief.

Foxy
May 29th, 2012, 08:41 AM
:lol::lol::lol:
You wish!
Hingis' head to head vs Williams sisters is quite impressive, esp vs Venus. Delusional, much.

Duh! Hingis was beating the sisters when they first came onto the WTA. Richard basically made them skip the juniors and they hadn't played much tennis, and they had to adjust to the WTA and Martina's "crafty" tennis.

But when they did get a read on her game, they beat her out of tennis. The sisters were well on the way to doing that to Maria too. :lol:

The same with Lindsey. She was beating Venus more than Serena, but when Venus got use to Lindsey she was beating her easily. However, that final at Wimbeldon was the best I've seen Lindsey against Venus in a long time, but Venus pulled it out. But that was a classic.

The same with Jennifer Capriati. She use to beat Serena ever time they played. In fact I think she beat Serena like 6 times in a row, then Serena started getting use to her game, and the rest was history. Serena started winning. But Jennifer could never beat Venus.

The sisters were breaking ground on that stronghold in a white tennis world, and they had to prove themselves, and they really ushered in this generation of power hitters. Like BJK told the white girls on the WTA, if they got tired of Venus and Serena making it to the finals, and winning all of the local tier I titles 3-5 times in a row, then they had to hit the gym and get physically fit.

Foxy
May 29th, 2012, 08:48 AM
As I said before there are people that believe Elvis Presley is alive but at least as Elvis would now be 77 year of age if alive, the number of believers are dwindling. There are people that donít believe that Pres Kennedy was solely assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald. There are people that believe 9/11 was an inside job ordered by Pres Bush. Your belief in a conspiracy to fix draws against Venus falls into such a category of insane irrational belief.

You need not fear of any further responses from me, because I can tell no cogent reasonable argument would be able to dissuade you from your belief.

You haven't given an reasonable argument. I told to go back to Maria's draws get the proof. Now I've made detailed observations of certain patterns not only with the sisters, but with the Russians and ALL those who beat Maria like Kirilenko, Aggie, Oudin, etc.

You keep talking but not backing anything. Since you're so smart and you want to disprove anything I've stated then get the proof.

Don't come at me without any proof. You want to talk about a cogent reasonable argument but you have presented anything. At least I've showed you pattern with the draws not only previous patterns but current patterns too.

What have you come up with?

mauresmofan
May 29th, 2012, 08:51 AM
I really think Venus - her forehand was so good in the her opening match. Something like 7-5 6-4. Shame they have to meet so early cause along with Sam they're playing the best tennis in the top half.

SerenaSiren
May 29th, 2012, 08:53 AM
Venus 6-0 6-0 not that FAKE #3 :facepalm:

vspak
May 29th, 2012, 09:34 AM
Venus 6-0 6-0 not that FAKE #3 :facepalm:
I save your post. :kiss:

The Witch-king
May 29th, 2012, 09:37 AM
Venus has three things going against her in this match:

1) She has won her first match and essentially qualified for the Olympics. If she is aware of this fact, which I think she is, she may not be as motivated to win her second match as she was her first. You'll notice after she did relatively enough to qualify in her other tournaments she failed at the stage where it was not essential for her to win to ensure her Olympic chances. The fight just wasn't there in those QF matches. :shrug:.

2) This is the French Open and Venus frequently saves her absolute worst tennis for this tournament as if to prove some sort of point. :sobbing:

3) Dodoboy has she said she might win. In order for her to win he needs to state that she will not win a set ...:mad: :lol:

The Witch-king
May 29th, 2012, 09:39 AM
Oh and Foxy, never change!

Your purple isn't even that hard to read. I may start to write like that myself! :)

vozas
May 29th, 2012, 10:00 AM
where is Vozas and his Maria is on your mind GIF, it would perfectly suit Foxy's posts :lol::lol::lol:

Duh! Hingis was beating the sisters when they first came onto the WTA. Richard basically made them skip the juniors and they hadn't played much tennis, and they had to adjust to the WTA and Martina's "crafty" tennis.

But when they did get a read on her game, they beat her out of tennis. The sisters were well on the way to doing that to Maria too. :lol:

The same with Lindsey. She was beating Venus more than Serena, but when Venus got use to Lindsey she was beating her easily. However, that final at Wimbeldon was the best I've seen Lindsey against Venus in a long time, but Venus pulled it out. But that was a classic.

The same with Jennifer Capriati. She use to beat Serena ever time they played. In fact I think she beat Serena like 6 times in a row, then Serena started getting use to her game, and the rest was history. Serena started winning. But Jennifer could never beat Venus.

The sisters were breaking ground on that stronghold in a white tennis world, and they had to prove themselves, and they really ushered in this generation of power hitters. Like BJK told the white girls on the WTA, if they got tired of Venus and Serena making it to the finals, and winning all of the local tier I titles 3-5 times in a row, then they had to hit the gym and get physically fit.

Those essays :spit: :help: :help:

Maria on his mind every single morning when he wakes up

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u122/diegoscott83/lol%20gifs/2gwe61c.gif

flareon
May 29th, 2012, 10:03 AM
Maria pops up and they are in different halves :sobbing:

JoPova
May 29th, 2012, 10:08 AM
Please Venus win this! :hysteric: I expect a three-setter! I've no idea who will win though!

Angelus87
May 29th, 2012, 10:36 AM
what natinalism? if she is polish i call her polish , this is the only thing known to all about her

She is not blond, she is not hot, she is not stylish, she is not ....... (put any word) , she is just Polish

it is not used with any negative inclination




Because Sharapova didn't let her )) But Radwanska will not serve 180km/h and will not hold Venus on the baseline with deep powerful strikes. Radwanska is very vulnerable on her serve , wheras Venus is serving well. If it is not raining in Paris, serve will matter on this quite fast clay

hahah okay i m tired....and Sharapova s blond? for sure not natural more like she painted her hairs.
you are just rusophob who glory one person :P also she live in USA not in this cold country

markedman
May 29th, 2012, 10:39 AM
Well I voted Venus although I would like t see Aga win. I think Venus will have a slight edge, could go to 3 sets. However, it's a sad state of affairs when people highjack a thread looking for excuses should Venus lose. Very sad people indeed.

razzer
May 29th, 2012, 10:47 AM
Duh! Hingis was beating the sisters when they first came onto the WTA. Richard basically made them skip the juniors and they hadn't played much tennis, and they had to adjust to the WTA and Martina's "crafty" tennis.

But when they did get a read on her game, they beat her out of tennis. The sisters were well on the way to doing that to Maria too. :lol:

The same with Lindsey. She was beating Venus more than Serena, but when Venus got use to Lindsey she was beating her easily. However, that final at Wimbeldon was the best I've seen Lindsey against Venus in a long time, but Venus pulled it out. But that was a classic.

The same with Jennifer Capriati. She use to beat Serena ever time they played. In fact I think she beat Serena like 6 times in a row, then Serena started getting use to her game, and the rest was history. Serena started winning. But Jennifer could never beat Venus.

The sisters were breaking ground on that stronghold in a white tennis world, and they had to prove themselves, and they really ushered in this generation of power hitters. Like BJK told the white girls on the WTA, if they got tired of Venus and Serena making it to the finals, and winning all of the local tier I titles 3-5 times in a row, then they had to hit the gym and get physically fit.

Martina was injured when she was beaten by venus and serena. Given the same health condition, Martina will crush the siblings in straight sets. Venus and Serena are overrated.

vozas
May 29th, 2012, 11:01 AM
Legend finding her way into another thread :worship: she loved beating both of the sisters, and the only reason why their H2Hs are close is because both Jupiter and Serena peaked when Legend was bowing out of the tour.

She still loves beating them.

Leo St
May 29th, 2012, 11:46 AM
no, she was bowing out BECAUSE they were peaking haha

serendipitynow
May 29th, 2012, 12:21 PM
Aga in two..

jrm
May 29th, 2012, 12:30 PM
why do so many see Venus as player ten years ago and not as player in 2012 :help:

obviously it would be a shock, major shock, if she would win this :o

StoneRose
May 29th, 2012, 12:37 PM
Venus has three things going against her in this match:

1) She has won her first match and essentially qualified for the Olympics. If she is aware of this fact, which I think she is, she may not be as motivated to win her second match as she was her first. You'll notice after she did relatively enough to qualify in her other tournaments she failed at the stage where it was not essential for her to win to ensure her Olympic chances. The fight just wasn't there in those QF matches. :shrug:.

2) This is the French Open and Venus frequently saves her absolute worst tennis for this tournament as if to prove some sort of point. :sobbing:

3) Dodoboy has she said she might win. In order for her to win he needs to state that she will not win a set ...:mad: :lol:Excuses in advance :no:.

razzer
May 29th, 2012, 12:49 PM
Legend finding her way into another thread :worship: she loved beating both of the sisters, and the only reason why their H2Hs are close is because both Jupiter and Serena peaked when Legend was bowing out of the tour.

She still loves beating them.

this.

Fact: Uninjured Martina will always beat either peak Serena or peak Venus.

bulava
May 29th, 2012, 12:53 PM
Venus. Period.

The Witch-king
May 29th, 2012, 12:56 PM
Excuses in advance :no:.

Yes because it's my firm belief that Dodoboy's predictions determine the outcomes of Venus Williams' tennis matches :rolleyes:

There really should be an entrance test before people allowed to join this forum because some of the trash they are leting in these days are just insufferable :facepalm:

debby
May 29th, 2012, 01:01 PM
Yes because it's my firm belief that Dodoboy's predictions determine the outcomes of Venus Williams' tennis matches :rolleyes:

There really should be an entrance test before people allowed to join this forum because some of the trash they are leting in these days are just insufferable :facepalm:

trying to be a serious contender for TWAT '12? :lol: :hi5:

StoneRose
May 29th, 2012, 01:15 PM
Yes because it's my firm belief that Dodoboy's predictions determine the outcomes of Venus Williams' tennis matches :rolleyes:

There really should be an entrance test before people allowed to join this forum because some of the trash they are leting in these days are just insufferable :facepalm:Superstition :lol::rolleyes:. But that was not the only thing you posted :shrug:. You're also the one to make this personal with your comment here. Whatever, if Venus takes this fair enough. If not the world's not going to end and no further excuses are needed or believed. No need to be so pressed about it.

flareon
May 29th, 2012, 01:22 PM
I have a feeling if Vee losses this she might WC at eastbourne...

The Witch-king
May 29th, 2012, 01:27 PM
trying to be a serious contender for TWAT '12? :lol: :hi5:
What?:confused: Girl bye. you know I don't participate in those stupid things. No offense since I know you live for them.

Superstition :lol::rolleyes:. But that was not the only thing you posted :shrug:. You're also the one to make this personal with your comment here. Whatever, if Venus takes this fair enough. If not the world's not going to end and no further excuses are needed or believed. No need to be so pressed about it.
Not superstition, its called a joke. I repeated the third one because its a perfect example of how unserious I was about the whole thing.

dsanders06
May 29th, 2012, 01:32 PM
Yes because it's my firm belief that Dodoboy's predictions determine the outcomes of Venus Williams' tennis matches :rolleyes:

There really should be an entrance test before people allowed to join this forum because some of the trash they are leting in these days are just insufferable :facepalm:

Fully agree. Hopefully they make all existing members sit it too so we can finally be rid of you.

sammy01
May 29th, 2012, 01:34 PM
this will be similar to 2007 vs jaja, venus may string some good play together enough to take a set, but doing it for 2 whole sets againt miss slow baller seems out of reach for venus right now.

aga 6-4, 6-3 if venus plays average

aga 6-4, 3-6, 6-2 if venus plays well

StoneRose
May 29th, 2012, 01:39 PM
Not superstition, its called a joke. I repeated the third one because its a perfect example of how unserious I was about the whole thing.Fair enough, it's not like i dislike you or Venus. Let's get out of each others hair before we're both wasting a lot of time here. I hope Aga will win but if Venus pulls it off that's ok with me too.

The Witch-king
May 29th, 2012, 01:44 PM
Fair enough, it's not like i dislike you or Venus. Let's get out of each others hair before we're both wasting a lot of time here. I hope Aga will win but if Venus pulls it off that's ok with me too.

Fine :handshake:

mervin
May 29th, 2012, 01:45 PM
what natinalism? if she is polish i call her polish , this is the only thing known to all about her

She is not blond, she is not hot, she is not stylish, she is not ....... (put any word) , she is just Polish

it is not used with any negative inclination






Because Sharapova didn't let her )) But Radwanska will not serve 180km/h and will not hold Venus on the baseline with deep powerful strikes. Radwanska is very vulnerable on her serve , wheras Venus is serving well. If it is not raining in Paris, serve will matter on this quite fast clay




those simple people like russians alway makes me fun:lol:

debby
May 29th, 2012, 01:57 PM
What?:confused: Girl bye. you know I don't participate in those stupid things. No offense since I know you live for them.

That was called a joke. :lol: And no I don't care for TWAT.
I just noticed you became more troll-y these days :p

VishaalMaria
May 29th, 2012, 01:58 PM
Fully agree. Hopefully they make all existing members sit it too so we can finally be rid of you.

You wouldn't notice because you'd be gone too.

KoOlMaNsEaN
May 29th, 2012, 02:06 PM
I just hope this match isn't put on at the 11am/5am start time. I wanna watch this match at a reasonable hour!

The Witch-king
May 29th, 2012, 02:17 PM
That was called a joke. :lol: And no I don't care for TWAT.
I just noticed you became more troll-y these days :p

Oh Debra you throw the T word around too much :help:. All I've been doing is letting a few people know the truth more than usual, you know somebody has to do it:shrug:

Cinek
May 29th, 2012, 03:04 PM
Go Aga :cheer:

Leo_DFP
May 29th, 2012, 03:48 PM
I actually think Venus will win this. I think clay is a much better surface for 2012 Venus to be facing Radwanska on than a slow hardcourt like Miami. And Venus seems to have taken great strides in her game since Miami, including superior stamina, speed, and pace of shot.

I think the 1st round was very revealing for Venus. The Argentine is exactly the type of player that can trouble her, with heavy and deep topspin shots that push her back. It was when Venus realized she needed to step in and take balls earlier, rather than drifting behind the baseline and pushing back meekly, that she reversed the match. But Radwanska doesn't have that kind of spin to trouble Venus. It's harder to beat a power player on clay when you're not generating much of anything yourself, and Radwanska's great talent is not in generating.

I could obviously be wrong, and Radwanksa is world #3 to her credit, but I am backing Venus in two tight sets or otherwise three lop-sided sets. Go Vee!

Mightymirza
May 29th, 2012, 04:26 PM
Go Isia..

tkutsaar
May 29th, 2012, 04:55 PM
You haven't given an reasonable argument....


I apologize for violating my own resolve not to respond. However I just couldnít resist when challenged to come up with a reasonable argument to refute your accumulated wealth of evidence to support your assertion that there is a conspiracy by tournament officials to ensure Venus loses and Maria wins tournaments. Now anyone can look at statistics and come up with some amazing conclusions to bamboozle the gullible.

This forum is rife with such speculations. Just as a recent example, one poster noted that when Steffi Graf won RG in 1999 she had not won another tournament during that calendar year leading up to the FO. Since that year every champion has at least one tournament victory under her belt before winning the FO. The presumed implication of that factoid is that this yearís winner would be found amongst Kai Kanepi, Jie Zheng, Vika, Mona Bartel, Daniela Hantuchova, Angelique Kerber, Lara Arruabarrena-Vecino, Sofia Arvidsson, Timea Babos, Agnieszka Radwanska, Sara Errani, Su-Weih Hsieh, Serena, Kiki Bertens, Maria, Francesca Schiavone and Na Li. The rest need not apply including Kvitova, Stosur, Bartoli and Wozniacki in the Top Ten. So if the winner is amongst those listed the speculation can continue another year but if the champion is not from the list the assertion is completely forgotten. In any case any sensible person would not jump to the conclusion because of the factoid the 2012 champion must be a member of the above quoted list.

To believe your assertion one must swallow some ridiculous notions. One is that all tournament draws are set by people who want Maria to win and Venus to lose. You just have to only look at the posters in this forum to realize how absurd that notion is. There are lots of Maria fans but lots who detest her. Likewise there are lots of Venus fans but lots who detest her. And so why wouldnít such pattern exist amongst tournament officials setting up the tournament draws? To suggest that tournament officials all of them collectively love Maria and detest Venus is just not tenable.

Incidentally what would be the motivation of the tournament officials to act in such fashion? Are you suggesting racism? Are all tournament officials racists?

Besides all tournaments have to adhere a certain pattern in placing seeded players in the draw. The seeding itself is based on objective standards; you may object to the criteria to establish such standards but there is no denying that the standards are objective subject to no personal manipulation. Maria would have to face at least one player who has beaten her to the past. Your theory suggests that tournament officials have divined those players who can beat Maria but no one else; and have cleverly set draws so that Maria is not subject to such opponents.

These are just some of my arguments and I have to go. But at least you have some things to mull over in your theories.

vwfan
May 29th, 2012, 05:12 PM
Let's go Venus. Revenge time--you CAN do this.

awsk8er
May 29th, 2012, 05:14 PM
a bit of a daft question, but when are they playing anyway?

vwfan
May 29th, 2012, 05:15 PM
It is all up to Aga, as she is a better player at the moment.

Aga is going to win if she serves well and hits with depth and precision.

Venus will win I Aga's serve is off and she hits those mid court puffballs :rolleyes:Sorry, I have to disagree. The match is always on the racket of the person with the better h2h (not to mention better overall player). If Venus can play her best tennis, it is on her racket. If Venus can't play her best (or near best), then Aga has a chance.

Foxy
May 29th, 2012, 05:19 PM
I apologize for violating my own resolve not to respond. However I just couldn’t resist when challenged to come up with a reasonable argument to refute your accumulated wealth of evidence to support your assertion that there is a conspiracy by tournament officials to ensure Venus loses and Maria wins tournaments. Now anyone can look at statistics and come up with some amazing conclusions to bamboozle the gullible.

This forum is rife with such speculations. Just as a recent example, one poster noted that when Steffi Graf won RG in 1999 she had not won another tournament during that calendar year leading up to the FO. Since that year every champion has at least one tournament victory under her belt before winning the FO. The presumed implication of that factoid is that this year’s winner would be found amongst Kai Kanepi, Jie Zheng, Vika, Mona Bartel, Daniela Hantuchova, Angelique Kerber, Lara Arruabarrena-Vecino, Sofia Arvidsson, Timea Babos, Agnieszka Radwanska, Sara Errani, Su-Weih Hsieh, Serena, Kiki Bertens, Maria, Francesca Schiavone and Na Li. The rest need not apply including Kvitova, Stosur, Bartoli and Wozniacki in the Top Ten. So if the winner is amongst those listed the speculation can continue another year but if the champion is not from the list the assertion is completely forgotten. In any case any sensible person would not jump to the conclusion because of the factoid the 2012 champion must be a member of the above quoted list.

To believe your assertion one must swallow some ridiculous notions. One is that all tournament draws are set by people who want Maria to win and Venus to lose. You just have to only look at the posters in this forum to realize how absurd that notion is. There are lots of Maria fans but lots who detest her. Likewise there are lots of Venus fans but lots who detest her. And so why wouldn’t such pattern exist amongst tournament officials setting up the tournament draws? To suggest that tournament officials all of them collectively love Maria and detest Venus is just not tenable.

Incidentally what would be the motivation of the tournament officials to act in such fashion? Are you suggesting racism? Are all tournament officials racists?

Besides all tournaments have to adhere a certain pattern in placing seeded players in the draw. The seeding itself is based on objective standards; you may object to the criteria to establish such standards but there is no denying that the standards are objective subject to no personal manipulation. Maria would have to face at least one player who has beaten her to the past. Your theory suggests that tournament officials have divined those players who can beat Maria but no one else; and have cleverly set draws so that Maria is not subject to such opponents.

These are just some of my arguments and I have to go. But at least you have some things to mull over in your theories.

Like you I have my opinion and I gave reasons for my beliefs based on my observation over the years. My beliefs are based on certain patterns that I've noticed when it comes to placing certain people in the same draw as the Williams Sisters, Maria, Kimmy, etc.

However, you've come up with no supported data to prove me otherwise, and you keep on talking about the tournament officials being racist.

No they are not racist, but they do rig the draws to favor Maria. You still can not explain how it is that Maria manages to avoid every player who has beaten her and how she continues to get cupcake draws. It was so bad at the USO a few years ago that the people on all of the boards started talking about how the WTA had rigged the draw to favor Maria, and Tracey Austin even said that she didn't know how that draw could come out sooooo lopsided, and that in all of her years of playing tennis she had never seen the draw favor one player like that. She even went on to say that the WTA should have reshuffled the draw to make it an even draw.

You refuse to explain how it is that every player who beats Maria in a regular tournament and in a grand slam will never face her EVER again. You refuse to explain how it is that Maria only gets to play the players who she always seems to beat.

Forget my theory, just explain that too me how did Maria get to avoid ALL of the players who beat her in a previous tournament. How did she keep getting the players who she had always beaten. How did the draw favor her for 4 years in a row. If you can answer than they I'll be satisfied.

How was it that she was the ONLY LUCKY player out of all of the women on the WTA. How did she manage that?

Get some data to prove that during the first week of the tournament or the second week that Maria did play the opponents who had previously beaten her. Do just like I did with Venus. I've repeatedly shown you how she keeps getting all of the players who kept beating her and it's only when she beats them that they are NO longer placed on her side of the draw. I've given you example after example with Vidasova, Sprem, Jankovic, Shett, and here recently with Sam and after her win over Sam, we see that Sam is not on her side of the draw just like I said that she wouldn't be But Aggie who has just beaten Venus is on her side of the draw.

I'm quite sure you can go back and look at the players who beat Maria and see if she had to encounter any of them in her first weeks of being back from shoulder surgery. Go back during those horrible for years where she was given easy draws but the lower ranked opponents started beating her. Go back and see if she faced any of the top 10 players with the exception of Nada Petrova who she can beat on any give day.

Show me you can do that. This is the third or fourth time I've asked you to do that, but you keep coming up empty. Why is that? I'll answer it. It's because you can't and trust me if you could you would have done it by now.

Temperenka
May 29th, 2012, 05:26 PM
It's all about how well Venus plays. If she is striking the ball cleanly and moving efficiently, she will destroy Aga and there won't be much Aga can do to stop her.

Cheering for Venus. Would love to see her go deep in a slam again.

tkutsaar
May 29th, 2012, 05:38 PM
...
You refuse to explain how it is that every player who beats Maria in a regular tournament and in a grand slam will never face her EVER again. You refuse to explain how it is that Maria only gets to play the players who she always seems to beat...

Just off the top of my head I recall Wozniacki decisively beating Maria in the rd of 16 in 2010 US Open and having another win against her in 2011. They met again after that with Maria prevailing. And Caro is in Mariaís quarter in this tournament. I also recall Andrea Petkovic decisively beating her in 2011 AO but Maria winning the next time they met. This year Maria played against Angelique Kerber three times AO- Paris and Rome. Maria winning the first and last encounters Angelique winning in Paris on her way to win her first WTA title.

Charlatan
May 29th, 2012, 05:40 PM
TF mods :help: smh at you guys letting that thing write long essays at its will

Foxy
May 29th, 2012, 05:44 PM
Just off the top of my head I recall Wozniacki decisively beating Maria in the rd of 16 in 2010 US Open and having another win against her in 2011. They met again after that with Maria prevailing. And Caro is in Maria’s quarter in this tournament. I also recall Andrea Petkovic decisively beating her in 2011 AO but Maria winning the next time they met. This year Maria played against Angelique Kerber three times AO- Paris and Rome. Maria winning the first and last encounters Angelique winning in Paris on her way to win her first WTA title.


No, no, no, no, no. I said go back and find where Maria met these people in the first, second, and third rounds like Venus.

Better yet, I asked for data on the top 10 players. Show me where Maria met them like Venus is meeting them in the first, second, and third rounds. Show me when Maria was ranked out side the top 50-100 where she met top 10 players in the first, second, third, like Venus is.

You still don't want to do that. Do like I did and go to the Grand Slams and show me where Maria met these top 10 players in the first, second, and third draws tournament after tournament like Venus did. Venus encountered Jelena about 7-8 tournaments in a row. She encountered Sprem I think 4-5 tournaments in a row. She encountered Sprem at least 5 in a row. She encounterd Sam twice in a row alike with Sprem, Vidasova, and Jelena she no longer faced them when she beat them. Look at Sammy, Venus is not in her draw after beating Sammy. I also said that Venus would not be on Petra or Ana's side of the draw in the first round and guess what she's not.

I said after Aggie beat Venus that she was gonna be in her draw at the FO to eliminate her. I said that before the draw came out, and lo and behold Aggie is on Venus' side of the draw.

Show how Maria kept meeting these players tournament after tournament like Venus is. Do that for me with the exception of Nadia Petrova.

Show me when Maria was ranked low that she had meetings Serena, Venus, Kimmy, Sam, and all of the other top players in her first, second, and third rounds like Venus is meeting the top 10 players

doomsday
May 29th, 2012, 05:47 PM
Like you I have my opinion and I gave reasons for my beliefs based on my observation over the years. My beliefs are based on certain patterns that I've noticed when it comes to placing certain people in the same draw as the Williams Sisters, Maria, Kimmy, etc.

However, you've come up with no supported data to prove me otherwise, and you keep on talking about the tournament officials being racist.

No they are not racist, but they do rig the draws to favor Maria. You still can not explain how it is that Maria manages to avoid every player who has beaten her and how she continues to get cupcake draws. It was so bad at the USO a few years ago that the people on all of the boards started talking about how the WTA had rigged the draw to favor Maria, and Tracey Austin even said that she didn't know how that draw could come out sooooo lopsided, and that in all of her years of playing tennis she had never seen the draw favor one player like that. She even went on to say that the WTA should have reshuffled the draw to make it an even draw.

You refuse to explain how it is that every player who beats Maria in a regular tournament and in a grand slam will never face her EVER again. You refuse to explain how it is that Maria only gets to play the players who she always seems to beat.

Forget my theory, just explain that too me how did Maria get to avoid ALL of the players who beat her in a previous tournament. How did she keep getting the players who she had always beaten. How did the draw favor her for 4 years in a row. If you can answer than they I'll be satisfied.

How was it that she was the ONLY LUCKY player out of all of the women on the WTA. How did she manage that?

Get some data to prove that during the first week of the tournament or the second week that Maria did play the opponents who had previously beaten her. Do just like I did with Venus. I've repeatedly shown you how she keeps getting all of the players who kept beating her and it's only when she beats them that they are NO longer placed on her side of the draw. I've given you example after example with Vidasova, Sprem, Jankovic, Shett, and here recently with Sam and after her win over Sam, we see that Sam is not on her side of the draw just like I said that she wouldn't be But Aggie who has just beaten Venus is on her side of the draw.

I'm quite sure you can go back and look at the players who beat Maria and see if she had to encounter any of them in her first weeks of being back from shoulder surgery. Go back during those horrible for years where she was given easy draws but the lower ranked opponents started beating her. Go back and see if she faced any of the top 10 players with the exception of Nada Petrova who she can beat on any give day.

Show me you can do that. This is the third or fourth time I've asked you to do that, but you keep coming up empty. Why is that? I'll answer it. It's because you can't and trust me if you could you would have done it by now.



:facepalm:

tkutsaar
May 29th, 2012, 06:08 PM
No, no, no, no, no. I said go back and find where Maria met these people in the first, second, and third rounds like Venus.....

Let me state the obvious so perhaps you can understand. You are actually making an apples and oranges argument. Right at this moment Maria is ranked 2nd in the world and Venus is ranked 52nd. In the first three rounds of any tournament Maria will not face any seeded player and only in slams can she meet a player ranked between 17th and 32 in the 3rd rd; whereas Venus must play a seeded player within the first two rounds. It is not so remarkable that Maria can regularly beat a non seeded player. Likewise it is not so remarkable that Venus will occasionally lose to a seeded player. Should Venus rise to the top 10 then she will enjoy similar draws like Maria. There is no evil cabal deliberately keeping Venus down and pumping up Maria.

danieln1
May 29th, 2012, 06:10 PM
Deservedly this match is on Chatrier :cool:

Last match tomorrow.

Foxy
May 29th, 2012, 06:21 PM
Let me state the obvious so perhaps you can understand. You are actually making an apples and oranges argument. Right at this moment Maria is ranked 2nd in the world and Venus is ranked 52nd. In the first three rounds of any tournament Maria will not face any seeded player and only in slams can she meet a player ranked between 17th and 32; whereas Venus must play a seeded player within the first two rounds. It is not so remarkable that Maria can regularly beat a non seeded player. Likewise it is not so remarkable that Venus will occasionally lose to a seeded player. Should Venus rise to the top 10 then she will enjoy similar draws like Maria. There is no evil cabal deliberately keeping Venus down and pumping up Maria.



You are absolutely right. Now we are getting somewhere.

And yes Venus must play seeded players within the first two rounds.

Now lets discuss How is it when Maria was ranked in the 100s and low 80s that she NEVER had to face any seeded players within her first rounds. How is it that Maria avoided all of the top 10 players and top 20 players for month after month after month, but we see Venus is not able to avoid these players.

Tkutsarr you RIGHTFULLY stated why based on the rankings that Venus must meet these top 10 players, but you never address how based on the SAME RANKING SYSTEM that Maria got to avoid the top 10 players tournament after tournament?

My question to you is how did Maria get soooooo lucky that she NEVER EVER had to encounter any seeded players in ANY TOURNAMENT with in the first rounds. Tkutsarr, please tell me how was the draw able to favor ONLY Maria? It didn't favor Venus, Serena, Kimmy, Justine, etc. Only Maria. Why was that.

That's why I keep saying that the WTA is NOT Racist, but they managed to let all of these other players face top 10 people time after time, but Maria never could.

If you can explain that to me how she got to avoid these players for almost 4 years, then we both can agree that the WTA was NOT Rigging the draws for Maria.

vspak
May 29th, 2012, 06:32 PM
http://www.rolandgarros.com/en_FR/news/photos/2012-05-29/201205291338294733476.html?promo=hp_photos
Match of the day ;)

Dan_Doe
May 29th, 2012, 07:24 PM
Aga in 3 long sets.

tkutsaar
May 29th, 2012, 07:51 PM
..My question to you is how did Maria get soooooo lucky that she NEVER EVER had to encounter any seeded players in ANY TOURNAMENT with in the first rounds. Tkutsarr, please tell me how was the draw able to favor ONLY Maria? It didn't favor Venus, Serena, Kimmy, Justine, etc. Only Maria. Why was that....

I have not followed Maria’s career; I have no idea how long in her career that she had not been ranked. I find it hard to believe that when she was not a seeded player she never had to face a seeded player in the first three rounds of a tournament.

olympus28
May 29th, 2012, 08:29 PM
Venus will probably follow her sister now as usual!

as a lamb

Maria rocks
May 29th, 2012, 08:52 PM
Aga's got this

Yeh agreed. I want Venus to win but think Aga will in 3 sets.

GO李娜
May 29th, 2012, 09:45 PM
Venus will win

Charlatan
May 29th, 2012, 09:51 PM
Venus will probably follow her sister now as usual!

as a lamb

yeah, after serena's loss, i am doubting venus chances more...hoping she could pull it off, but now aga might take this in 2 like 7-5, 6-2 :sad: prove me wrong, vee

flareon
May 29th, 2012, 09:53 PM
Yes Venus always loses after sarin... this is a no brainer now.

slydevil6142
May 29th, 2012, 09:59 PM
Yes Venus always loses after sarin... this is a no brainer now.

No she doesn't.... Venus has her work cut out against aga but i have faith she can do it!

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dynamoRockstarr
May 29th, 2012, 10:03 PM
Venus doesn't depend on Serena to win singles matches. Will she be somewhat affected by Serena's loss, possibly, to a degree but we don't really know that!

I hope Venus goes into the match tomorrow looking for revenge.

HRHoliviasmith
May 29th, 2012, 10:04 PM
Venus will probably follow her sister now as usual!

as a lamb

:lol:

Dodoboy.
May 29th, 2012, 10:36 PM
Argh, Serena's loss changes everything. Venus will now lose in straights. 6-3 6-4.

Mixal
May 29th, 2012, 10:44 PM
Venus will probably follow her sister now as usual!

as a lamb

:spit:

But I believe this will happen. Again.

Angelus87
May 29th, 2012, 11:21 PM
ha if she will tank on purpose then i will lose all respect to her. i could see Serena tried today but everything was going wrong, sometimes happen it was sad for me.
Also i dont like people who do mean things to players. also junges was doing mistake one after another. i dont like how this slam going

theFutureisNow
May 30th, 2012, 12:26 AM
I think Aga wins this easily. I'd be surprised if Venus took a set.

goldenlox
May 30th, 2012, 12:31 AM
I thought Venus played well the last 2 sets in round 1.
She knows Aga's game. I expect this to be a very good match.
Maybe not a classic like today, but a high level for a round 2

madmax
May 30th, 2012, 12:36 AM
LOL, 16 pages for a match between World Nr.3 and some washed up journeywoman...boy, is this board amusingly delusional at times

dsanders06
May 30th, 2012, 12:38 AM
I dunno....this is already the first time Venus has lasted longer than Serena in a Slam since Wimbledon '08 (!!) already anyway, so maybe now that she's in uncharted waters the curse dosen't apply? :lol:

MercuriePL
May 30th, 2012, 12:39 AM
Hope Vee will join her little mons(is)ter tomorrow and they head back to Florida where they announce retirement from tennis. The Williams Era was 10 years long and its finally time to begin a new era in tennis, era of normal players without monstrous muscles, without 80+ kg weight and 190+ km/h serves all the time. Its time for more competitive, athletic but healthy tennis to avoid health complications like Venus/Serena had for making fame and money more important than they own health.
ps: For me Agnieszka Radwanska is not very athletic but who knows, if lames like Li or Schiavone won slam why she wouldn't? Her endurance and fitness are world class level

toxina90
May 30th, 2012, 12:42 AM
I see Venus devouring that second serve...and coming to the net to finish points of quick...7-5 6-2

MrProdigy555
May 30th, 2012, 01:08 AM
Hope Vee will join her little mons(is)ter tomorrow and they head back to Florida where they announce retirement from tennis. The Williams Era was 10 years long and its finally time to begin a new era in tennis, era of normal players without monstrous muscles, without 80+ kg weight and 190+ km/h serves all the time. Its time for more competitive, athletic but healthy tennis to avoid health complications like Venus/Serena had for making fame and money more important than they own health.
ps: For me Agnieszka Radwanska is not very athletic but who knows, if lames like Li or Schiavone won slam why she wouldn't? Her endurance and fitness are world class level
:lol:!!!!!!! You're stupid.

Brad[le]y.
May 30th, 2012, 01:14 AM
Hope Vee will join her little mons(is)ter tomorrow and they head back to Florida where they announce retirement from tennis. The Williams Era was 10 years long and its finally time to begin a new era in tennis, era of normal players without monstrous muscles, without 80+ kg weight and 190+ km/h serves all the time. Its time for more competitive, athletic but healthy tennis to avoid health complications like Venus/Serena had for making fame and money more important than they own health.
ps: For me Agnieszka Radwanska is not very athletic but who knows, if lames like Li or Schiavone won slam why she wouldn't? Her endurance and fitness are world class level

Swingvolley, is that you? :confused:

either way, just stop :lol:

dsanders06
May 30th, 2012, 01:16 AM
I thought MercuriePL's post was meant to be a Foxy parody :lol:

.....No?

VeeJJ
May 30th, 2012, 01:18 AM
Venus in 2. She's fresh and ready to go, she should hit right through Radwanska

Leo_DFP
May 30th, 2012, 01:48 AM
Argh, Serena's loss changes everything. Venus will now lose in straights. 6-3 6-4.

That's exactly what I thought as well. Sigh.

Prove me wrong, Vee. Maybe finally you can outlast your sister.

MrProdigy555
May 30th, 2012, 01:51 AM
That's exactly what I thought as well. Sigh.

Prove me wrong, Vee. Maybe finally you can outlast your sister.
She already did outlast Serena. :o

Charlatan
May 30th, 2012, 02:09 AM
Swingvolley, is that you? :confused:

either way, just stop :lol:

honey, that's clearly not the way TrollVolley posts on TF! :lol:

Leo_DFP
May 30th, 2012, 02:15 AM
She already did outlast Serena. :o

Well, by more than 24 hrs.

serenaforever
May 30th, 2012, 02:15 AM
Slay her, Veesus.

starin
May 30th, 2012, 02:27 AM
I hope Venus wins :unsure:

MB.
May 30th, 2012, 02:29 AM
Aga in 2. She's the better player.

Alejandrawrrr
May 30th, 2012, 09:59 AM
She already did outlast Serena. :o

She got a round further before FlopRena flopped, it doesn't qualify. Venus always loses directly after Serena.

AnywhereButHome
May 30th, 2012, 10:04 AM
:cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:
:cheer::cheer:Venus:cheer::cheer:
:cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer::cheer:
:

The Witch-king
May 30th, 2012, 10:14 AM
Argh, Serena's loss changes everything. Venus will now lose in straights. 6-3 6-4.

Thank God!:sobbing::lol::yeah:

Simugna Help
May 30th, 2012, 10:23 AM
They forecast a storm in the evening, I hope it won't rain before/during the match, otherwise Aga is toast in slower conditions. :scared:

The Witch-king
May 30th, 2012, 10:42 AM
They forecast a storm in the evening, I hope it won't rain before/during the match, otherwise Aga is toast in slower conditions. :scared:

Are you kidding?