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Rollo
Apr 4th, 2012, 06:04 PM
For pictures of Margaret Smith-Court

Rollo
Apr 4th, 2012, 06:05 PM
Margaret Smith's first big title-the 1960 Australian National title. Ironically she lost in the junior girls event here!

http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/NAAMedia/ShowImage.asp?B=11875852&T=P&S=1

Uranium
Apr 4th, 2012, 06:50 PM
Don't know the years, but two other Aussie Open wins:
http://www.tennistheme.com/images/australianopentennishistory0003.jpg
http://blogs.watoday.com.au/executive-style/sportandstyle/court.jpg

alfajeffster
Apr 4th, 2012, 08:39 PM
Rollo- I have a bunch of pics in the old Margaret Smith Court thread (can't remember what the thread is called). Is there any way to find them and transfer or copy the pics here? There are some really rare ones in that thread.

Rollo
Apr 5th, 2012, 04:14 PM
Rollo- I have a bunch of pics in the old Margaret Smith Court thread (can't remember what the thread is called). Is there any way to find them and transfer or copy the pics here? There are some really rare ones in that thread.


I'll check on that Jeff. Like the new avatar BTW. It might be the size, but you look like a German noble minus the monocle!

I feel like I shuld address you as Herr Baron von Jeffster now:)

alfajeffster
Apr 5th, 2012, 04:47 PM
I'll check on that Jeff. Like the new avatar BTW. It might be the size, but you look like a German noble minus the monocle!

I feel like I shuld address you as Herr Baron von Jeffster now:)

Everyone in my family says I look like my dad, which if you knew how my dad and I argued and fought like cats and dogs, you'd find as funny as I do. I got my mom's knuckles and finger size, and when I was a pretty young man, I did look more like her. Oh, and I don't mind the German descriptive at all, being the only non-blonde in the family!

Rollo
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:47 PM
Still no luck tracking down your pics Alfa. But I did find this.....

Little Miss Billie Jean Moffitt sat on on Miss Smith toughit and ruined her hopes of winnign Wimbledon 1962. Court generally came out on top during their rivalry, but King won her share. Quite a winsome look on Miss Moffitt's face...

http://denverpost.slideshowpro.com/albums/001/496/album-240604/cache/Wimbleton_030.sjpg_950_2000_0_75_0_50_50.sjpg?1309 143758

alfajeffster
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:58 PM
Odd to see Billie Jean dressed more traditionally than Margaret. Also, I didn't realize they had hideous designs on jackets back then. Smith looks soooo Aussie in this pic- if you cleared away the hair covering them, the classic cab-door ears are there to compliment the slightly bucked teeth. Still, they're both lovely young ladies all things considered.

alfajeffster
May 1st, 2012, 07:32 PM
Probably my favorite pic of Margaret- not a foot on the ground and perfectly balanced for a very difficult volley.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/Margaretinflight2.jpg

Rollo
May 1st, 2012, 07:53 PM
Probably my favorite pic of Margaret- not a foot on the ground and perfectly balanced for a very difficult volley.


Not to mention blonde! Great pic Alfa:)

She'll never win any grace awards-but what an athlete. I put down a lot of her stiffnes to having to play with her non dominant hand. A natural lefty, she was made to switch.

Just imagine if she had stayed lefthanded.

alfajeffster
May 2nd, 2012, 12:00 AM
Not to mention blonde! Great pic Alfa:)

She'll never win any grace awards-but what an athlete. I put down a lot of her stiffnes to having to play with her non dominant hand. A natural lefty, she was made to switch.

Just imagine if she had stayed lefthanded.

Oh, I know. She looks like a goose headed for an aircraft turbine. This may sound silly, but I'm serious here- I think she really suffered from being such a prude and wearing longer skirts and later on in her career those hideous oversized collars which she hid behind. Graf suffered from the same insecurities with her shoulders and hands. She thought it made her look less feminine. Oh, and regarding Madge's hair, my sister is a licensed cosmetologist, and I showed her several of Margaret's videos. She insisted they were highlights, and stupid me, I argued that it was all the sun.

tennisvideos
May 2nd, 2012, 10:54 AM
Oh, I know. She looks like a goose headed for an aircraft turbine. This may sound silly, but I'm serious here- I think she really suffered from being such a prude and wearing longer skirts and later on in her career those hideous oversized collars which she hid behind. Graf suffered from the same insecurities with her shoulders and hands. She thought it made her look less feminine. Oh, and regarding Madge's hair, my sister is a licensed cosmetologist, and I showed her several of Margaret's videos. She insisted they were highlights, and stupid me, I argued that it was all the sun.

Very funny! She was very awkward looking indeed much of the time ... esp when you watch her playing again Evert, Goolagong and Bueno who all had such grace and elegance and were incredibly feminine.

Even I could tell they were streaks (or highlights) :)

LOL @ the big collars - they were hideous. But those Tinling dresses were a bit improvement on the dowdy Fred Perry shirt and skirts she used to wear! Very frumpy. Martina went for the big collars too in the 70s. :lol:

alfajeffster
May 2nd, 2012, 03:23 PM
A nice early pic of the two Slammers (1962)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/MargaretRod1962.jpg

GeeTee
May 12th, 2012, 02:06 AM
But those Tinling dresses were a bit improvement on the dowdy Fred Perry shirt and skirts she used to wear! Very frumpy.
What did Teddy call them? 'twopenny shirts'?

alfajeffster
May 12th, 2012, 08:29 AM
Margaret used to go out and paint the town in whatever tour stop she visited. it proved to be the beginning of her divine calling. It didn't get a lot of press, because she disguised herself so well:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/divine.jpg

alfajeffster
May 12th, 2012, 08:36 AM
I couldn't just leave it at that. Here's a nice pic of Margaret with a very young Evonne Goolagong.


http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/EvonneCourtfirstmeeting.jpg

tennisvideos
May 12th, 2012, 01:35 PM
Margaret used to go out and paint the town in whatever tour stop she visited. it proved to be the beginning of her divine calling. It didn't get a lot of press, because she disguised herself so well:

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/divine.jpg

:lol:

I love that pic with a super cute little Evonne looking up to her idol.

alfajeffster
May 13th, 2012, 04:05 PM
An early pic from the 50s of Miss Margaret Smith and her parents.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/MargaretParents.jpg

And a nice picture (circa 1969) of her backhand volley:


http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a223/alfajeffster/Court1969volley.jpg

tennisvideos
May 14th, 2012, 02:15 PM
Her father looks really sweet. Great action shot on that stretch volley!

alfajeffster
May 14th, 2012, 06:04 PM
Her father looks really sweet. Great action shot on that stretch volley!

If you look closely at the action pic, Margaret isn't looking at the ball, but where she's going with it! Oh, as an aside TV, I just this morning signed for a new luxury apartment out of the city. I move in August 1st, which is just as well- gives me time to pack up 16+ years of STUFF I've accumulated over the years. I'm so excited!

http://100ParkApts.com/

tennisvideos
May 15th, 2012, 05:12 AM
If you look closely at the action pic, Margaret isn't looking at the ball, but where she's going with it! Oh, as an aside TV, I just this morning signed for a new luxury apartment out of the city. I move in August 1st, which is just as well- gives me time to pack up 16+ years of STUFF I've accumulated over the years. I'm so excited!

http://100ParkApts.com/http:/

She is indeed watching where it is going to go!

Wow, that apartment complex looks sensational! The only thing missing is the tennis court. Truly beautiful, no wonder you are excited!

That link didn't work but this one did
http://100ParkApts.com/

alfajeffster
May 15th, 2012, 07:48 AM
She is indeed watching where it is going to go!

Wow, that apartment complex looks sensational! The only thing missing is the tennis court. Truly beautiful, no wonder you are excited!

That link didn't work but this one did
http://100ParkApts.com/

Oh, I've spent the past few days losing sleep over, of all things, hanging my pictures, and a giraffe print chair I really liked at Home Goods, but had no place for it here where I am. The guy isn't moving until July, so I couldn't actually look at the place. They just showed me a similar apartment (mine has more amenities). I've already decided the den will be nothing but tennis artwork, and plaques from doubles wins and finals. A tennis court would be great. I'm going to try and rehab myself starting with the treadmill and eventually up to harder equipment. Once I feel I can stand and move a little better, I'll start lessons to re-learn how to play again. At this point I can't take any steps, and last Fall got out on a clay court with a friend and almost fell on my can, and most balls were total shanks. Yes, I am excited, and my fish will just go bonkers for it I'm sure!

tennisvideos
May 15th, 2012, 11:29 AM
Oh, I've spent the past few days losing sleep over, of all things, hanging my pictures, and a giraffe print chair I really liked at Home Goods, but had no place for it here where I am. The guy isn't moving until July, so I couldn't actually look at the place. They just showed me a similar apartment (mine has more amenities). I've already decided the den will be nothing but tennis artwork, and plaques from doubles wins and finals. A tennis court would be great. I'm going to try and rehab myself starting with the treadmill and eventually up to harder equipment. Once I feel I can stand and move a little better, I'll start lessons to re-learn how to play again. At this point I can't take any steps, and last Fall got out on a clay court with a friend and almost fell on my can, and most balls were total shanks. Yes, I am excited, and my fish will just go bonkers for it I'm sure!

God bless! It's great to be excited about a project and big change. The tennis den sounds great - I sort of have one but it's also our junk room lol.

Let me know how it all goes and send some pics once you get set up esp of the Den :)

alfajeffster
May 15th, 2012, 01:25 PM
God bless! It's great to be excited about a project and big change. The tennis den sounds great - I sort of have one but it's also our junk room lol.

Let me know how it all goes and send some pics once you get set up esp of the Den :)

Will do. They made a big mistake giving me a flat that has French doors in the bedroom, though. In addition to my Evita rendition from the balcony, I also now have the opportunity to model my own neglige collection with a tennis skirt for good measure. Oooh la la!

Uranium
Dec 23rd, 2012, 10:57 PM
I had never found a pic of Margaret with the RG trophy, but finally did: 1973
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/Ricksasha/1973FrenchOpenCourtandEvert.jpg

thrust
Dec 29th, 2012, 01:50 AM
I had never found a pic of Margaret with the RG trophy, but finally did: 1973
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a328/Ricksasha/1973FrenchOpenCourtandEvert.jpg
That had to be one of the most staisfying wins in Court's career. Though young, Evert was thrashing everyone else on clay at that time. Margareat may have not been the most graceful player, but as I remember in the 73 USO final, she had great anticipation and speed so getting to the ball seemed almost effortless. After she lost the second set the crowd went wild rooting for Evonne but you could almost see Margaret grit her teeth and say enjoy it while you can because I am winning the next set, which she did.

tennisvideos
Jan 11th, 2013, 09:20 AM
That had to be one of the most staisfying wins in Court's career. Though young, Evert was thrashing everyone else on clay at that time. Margareat may have not been the most graceful player, but as I remember in the 73 USO final, she had great anticipation and speed so getting to the ball seemed almost effortless. After she lost the second set the crowd went wild rooting for Evonne but you could almost see Margaret grit her teeth and say enjoy it while you can because I am winning the next set, which she did.

Thanks Uranium for locating this rare pic!

Yes Thrust, it would have been a very rewarding win for Margaret, esp having to fight tooth and nail with perhaps the greatest clay courter of all time (let's not forget Lenglen though). Yes, Chris was young, but as you say, she was still dominating the world on clay so it makes it all the more impressive for Court, esp as she was by this time a mum and also won two other slams that year. I think her 3 wins over Evert that season were all amazingly gutsy wins - all 3 setters (FO, USO, WITC) and her loss at WImbledon to Evert was also a 3 setter. That is the one that really should have been the one Court was favoured to win but she was recovering from the flu and a back injury - you can see she just ran out of puff at the end of the 2nd set. This Wimbledon one really showcases Evert in the first set playing like a chess master - lobbing on a dime and running Court ragged. Worth watching just for the precision alone although the rest of the match is an anti-climax.

I have watched all 4 of those great matches in full and the 3 that Court won were all incredible matches featuring all court tennis of the highest level. Their rivalry, although brief, was a great one as they played such different styles - Margaret always looking to attack but also as tough as nails from the back of the court, and Evert an incredibly accurate baseliner with such precision that she made it almost like a suicide mission for anyone who wanted to attack the net. Both legends. :worship:

Sumarokov-Elston
Jan 11th, 2013, 08:13 PM
It is funny how often we get back to talking about these classic Court v Evert matches of 1973!

The French Open win was indeed incredible, because after that Evert only lost five times at Roland Garros; in fact, after 1973 she only lost once on clay over the next eight years. I think she was maybe even harder to beat in the early 1970s, when she first arrived on the scene, because no one had figured out how to beat her. Someone has put up on YouTube excerpts from Chris's match against Frankie Durr at the 1971 US Open, and you can tell what a horror she was back then, even on grass, with her torture-chamber dropshots. The Chris-Madge Wimbledon encounter of 1973 is simply classic tennis of an incredibly high standard, and Evert's shots are all the amazing when you remember how fast the grass was back then. BJK never ever beat Evert on clay, so for Margaret to tough out her French win against the Ice Maiden in 1973 was something extraordinary and testimony to her amazing all-court skills. I have not seen their US Open encounter, but what I would give for a box-set of these three GS matches from 1973!

Rollo
Jan 14th, 2013, 09:01 PM
It is funny how often we get back to talking about these classic Court v Evert matches of 1973!

Yes-and I'm loving it, as every match of theirs that I have (and I have 4 in all) is pure joy to watch.

I have not seen their US Open encounter, but what I would give for a box-set of these three GS matches from 1973!


Get it if you can. Mags won by staying back, rallying, and only coming in on her terms. Pure serve and volley worked well for Billie Jean vs Chris on grass, but for Court it just didn't work. Evert hit some of her most amazing lobs over Margaret in these encounters. And in a few points in that US Open match Chris made some spectacular gets at net too.

Rollo
Jan 14th, 2013, 09:06 PM
I think her 3 wins over Evert that season were all amazingly gutsy wins - all 3 setters (FO, USO, WITC) and her loss at WImbledon to Evert was also a 3 setter

You can correct me if I'm wrong TV, but I'm pretty sure the 1973 WITC match was actually played in the fall of 1972. As a made for TV "classic" it was put a year ahead of when it was played so they could package it for TV.

None of that changes how good the matches were. For me the WITC match have some of Chrissie's best lobs ever-and of course Mags runs them down after they go over her head and she gets them back-only to have Evert drop shot her-LOL.

Court's win here is a trestament to her ability on the baseline. Funny how Court could win on slow surfaces vs Chris while Chris could beat her on grass.

tennisvideos
Jan 15th, 2013, 10:42 AM
You can correct me if I'm wrong TV, but I'm pretty sure the 1973 WITC match was actually played in the fall of 1972. As a made for TV "classic" it was put a year ahead of when it was played so they could package it for TV.

None of that changes how good the matches were. For me the WITC match have some of Chrissie's best lobs ever-and of course Mags runs them down after they go over her head and she gets them back-only to have Evert drop shot her-LOL.

Court's win here is a trestament to her ability on the baseline. Funny how Court could win on slow surfaces vs Chris while Chris could beat her on grass.

Not sure when it was played Rollo - all I know is that Margaret was retired for much of 1972 and did come back just before the US Open. So it may have been played in 72 or may have been played in 73 and shown in 74 on TV. I am pretty sure I read in Court's book that she mentioned beating Chris 3 times in 73 and losing only the Wimbledon SF which she was disappointed about as it was her only loss in the Slams for the year - she mentioned she was recovering from the flu and a back injury and was therefore low on energy at Wimbledon.

Regardless, as you mention, these clashes between Court and Evert were all thrillers and some of my favourites of all time because of the lengthy rallies and contrasting styles and personalities.

tennisvideos
Jan 16th, 2013, 01:33 AM
I just looked up Daze's site for Evert results and looks like it was played straight after the 1973 USO which makes sense. And shown on TV in 74. Court was just coming back to the tour in the fall of 72 and most certainly wouldn't have been playing that well after a year off.

United States Open Championships (Aug. 27-Sept. 9; Forest Hills, NY, grass, seeded 3): 1R def. Rayni Fox 6-3, 6-3; 2R def. Marita Redondo 6-2, 6-2; 3R def. Julie Anthony 6-4, 6-4; QF def. Rosemary Casals [6] 6-1, 7-5; SF lost to Margaret Court [2] 7-5, 2-6, 6-2

World Invitational (Sept. 9-11; Hilton Head, SC, hard): 1R. def. Billie Jean King 4-6, 7-6, 6-1; lost to Margaret Court 6-4, 6-7, 6-2

Rollo
Jan 16th, 2013, 06:25 PM
I just looked up Daze's site for Evert results and looks like it was played straight after the 1973 USO which makes sense. And shown on TV in 74. Court was just coming back to the tour in the fall of 72 and most certainly wouldn't have been playing that well after a year off.


Thanks for checking TV:) My DVD says 1973, so I wrongly assumed it was 1972. Won't be the first or last time I get it backwards!

September in South Carolina can be super hot-no wonder Billie Jean and Margaret looked like they were dying in the heat. And with Chris's lobs to chase down it must have been torture-LOL.

I'd be curious to know how this event was viewed by Billie Jean, as the Riggs match was only a couple weeks away. The pressure must have been intense.

The Battle of the Sexes matc hwas 3 out of 5. Was King training for that possibility? Evert surely ran her more than Bobby Riggs did!

One thing I love about those WITC matches is how they interview the players on court DURING the match. King comes off as so calm and analytical (and this after splitting sets and blowing a match point!); Court's powerful body doesn't prepare you for her girl like sing-song voice. And teen Chrissie is just too cute for words. Throw in commentary by Pacho Gonzales and those WITC matches are pure delight!

tennisvideos
Jan 17th, 2013, 12:44 PM
Thanks for checking TV:) My DVD says 1973, so I wrongly assumed it was 1972. Won't be the first or last time I get it backwards!

September in South Carolina can be super hot-no wonder Billie Jean and Margaret looked like they were dying in the heat. And with Chris's lobs to chase down it must have been torture-LOL.

I'd be curious to know how this event was viewed by Billie Jean, as the Riggs match was only a couple weeks away. The pressure must have been intense.

The Battle of the Sexes matc hwas 3 out of 5. Was King training for that possibility? Evert surely ran her more than Bobby Riggs did!

One thing I love about those WITC matches is how they interview the players on court DURING the match. King comes off as so calm and analytical (and this after splitting sets and blowing a match point!); Court's powerful body doesn't prepare you for her girl like sing-song voice. And teen Chrissie is just too cute for words. Throw in commentary by Pacho Gonzales and those WITC matches are pure delight!

Yes it would have been torture for both King and Court to chase all those lobs from Chris ... I would have given up after 1 or 2 lol. It looked so hot didn't it! And to think they were able to talk while the match was still alive! Amazing. Yes, I loved Pancho as well. The only downside to some of the WITC footage is that the cameras are looking into the sun which is reflecting off the hard court so often it's very difficult to see the ball. Otherwise they would be awesome. But those clashes between Evert and King / Court are incredible all court battles and to think the first two sets in both were exactly the same - Evert losing 4-6 before fighting on for the 2nd set TB and then it was all to play for.

Yes Evert definately ran King around much more than Bobby was able to. King made Bobby look like a hack ... which he was at that age. :lol:

davidjaan1982
Jan 17th, 2013, 03:28 PM
In the US Open and WITC matches between Court and Evert, at the the end of the second set it looks like Court is tired and finished from all the running around. It is amazing that Court actually won the 3rd set in both these matches fairly easily. Maybe Court's strategy was to lull Evert into a false feeling of complacency!! People say Court's nerves let her down at crucial moments. Not in these 2 matches atleast, nor in the French Open that same year for sure... She stood up well to some brutal treatment from Evert in all these matches. I cannot think of any other player who could have withstood that and come out a winner. Have to tip my hat to Mrs Court.

tennisvideos
Jan 18th, 2013, 09:24 AM
In the US Open and WITC matches between Court and Evert, at the the end of the second set it looks like Court is tired and finished from all the running around. It is amazing that Court actually won the 3rd set in both these matches fairly easily. Maybe Court's strategy was to lull Evert into a false feeling of complacency!! People say Court's nerves let her down at crucial moments. Not in these 2 matches atleast, nor in the French Open that same year for sure... She stood up well to some brutal treatment from Evert in all these matches. I cannot think of any other player who could have withstood that and come out a winner. Have to tip my hat to Mrs Court.

Too true Davidjaan .. not many other players would have been capable of withstanding the assault from Miss Evert who was in great touch in those matches and her lobs were sublime.

I think people overplay the Court nerves card. Yes, she admitted it overcame her in a few critical matches eg. Wimbledon 62 v King, Bobby RIggs mothers day massacre and IMO 75 Wimbledon SF v Goolagong. But for the most part I think she handled her nerves incredibly well - she had to to have won 24 of 28 Grand Slam finals! No one has a record in the big ones like that. If nerves affected you badly you would have been lucky to win half of those finals. And to think that in some she came back from the brink to win a number of them eg. 64 French down match point to Turner, 71 Aussie came back from 2-5 3rd set v Goolagong to name a few. And the 70 Wimbledon Final v King was an incredibly gutsy affair by both ladies. Shows she was so MUCH MORE a winner than a choker. And this is also backed up by her career singles win/loss of 92% ...

thrust
Feb 12th, 2013, 02:34 AM
In the US Open and WITC matches between Court and Evert, at the the end of the second set it looks like Court is tired and finished from all the running around. It is amazing that Court actually won the 3rd set in both these matches fairly easily. Maybe Court's strategy was to lull Evert into a false feeling of complacency!! People say Court's nerves let her down at crucial moments. Not in these 2 matches atleast, nor in the French Open that same year for sure... She stood up well to some brutal treatment from Evert in all these matches. I cannot think of any other player who could have withstood that and come out a winner. Have to tip my hat to Mrs Court.

SO TRUE! No other player could have defeated Evert in that FO final. Even though Chris was still young she was easily defeating most other players on clay. No doubt Margreat had nerves of steel for most of her professional career. She and Chris in their prime together would have been awsome all court tennis!