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pov
Mar 27th, 2012, 06:32 PM
http://www.wtatennis.com/news/20120326/stats-corner-602-and-counting-for-venus_2256076_2693866

MIAMI, FL, USA - Stuck on 598 career match wins since August while battling Sjögren's Syndrome, Venus Williams got to 600 and beyond in just her first event back on the WTA at the Sony Ericsson Open.

Williams' first round triumph over Kimiko Date-Krumm was her 599th, then her elimination of World No.3 Petra Kvitova on Friday put her at 600, her outlasting of Aleksandra Wozniak on Sunday gave her No.601 and her three-set victory on Monday over Ana Ivanovic was her 602nd.

Here is a list of all the players with at least 600 wins in the Open Era:

Player Record (Win Percentage)
Martina Navratilova 1442-219 (.868)
Chris Evert 1309-146 (.900)
Steffi Graf 902-115 (.887)
Virginia Wade 839-329 (.718)
Arantxa Sánchez-Vicario 759-295 (.720)
Lindsay Davenport 753-194 (.795)
Conchita Martínez 739-297 (.713)
Evonne Goolagong Cawley 695-158 (.815)
Billie Jean King 695-155 (.818)
Gabriela Sabatini 632-189 (.770)
Pam Shriver 623-271 (.697)
Helena Sukova 618-308 (.667)
Nathalie Tauziat 605-365 (.624)
Venus Williams 602-147 (.804)

Notes: Several players on this list started their careers before the Open Era, but this list reflects Open Era wins in main draw and qualifying of WTA and ITF Women's Circuit events … Only three active players besides Williams have at least 500 wins - Kim Clijsters, Serena Williams and Tamarine Tanasugarn.

Tenis Srbija
Mar 27th, 2012, 06:36 PM
http://www.wtatennis.com/news/20120326/stats-corner-602-and-counting-for-venus_2256076_2693866

MIAMI, FL, USA - Stuck on 598 career match wins since August while battling Sjögren's Syndrome, Venus Williams got to 600 and beyond in just her first event back on the WTA at the Sony Ericsson Open.

Williams' first round triumph over Kimiko Date-Krumm was her 599th, then her elimination of World No.3 Petra Kvitova on Friday put her at 600, her outlasting of Aleksandra Wozniak on Sunday gave her No.601 and her three-set victory on Monday over Ana Ivanovic was her 602nd.

Here is a list of all the players with at least 600 wins in the Open Era:

Player Record (Win Percentage)
Martina Navratilova 1442-219 (.868)
Chris Evert 1309-146 (.900)
Steffi Graf 902-115 (.887)
Virginia Wade 839-329 (.718)
Arantxa Sánchez-Vicario 759-295 (.720)
Lindsay Davenport 753-194 (.795)
Conchita Martínez 739-297 (.713)
Evonne Goolagong Cawley 695-158 (.815)
Billie Jean King 695-155 (.818)
Gabriela Sabatini 632-189 (.770)
Pam Shriver 623-271 (.697)
Helena Sukova 618-308 (.667)
Nathalie Tauziat 605-365 (.624)
Venus Williams 602-147 (.804)

Notes: Several players on this list started their careers before the Open Era, but this list reflects Open Era wins in main draw and qualifying of WTA and ITF Women's Circuit events … Only three active players besides Williams have at least 500 wins - Kim Clijsters, Serena Williams and Tamarine Tanasugarn.

I just ADORE her!!! :lol:

JRena
Mar 27th, 2012, 06:59 PM
How close is Serena?

duhcity
Mar 27th, 2012, 07:08 PM
How close is Serena?

She only just hit 500 in Australia.

Most shocking is that both sisters should have way more, which is why it's hard to put them in contention with all time greats.
And it isn't an era thing, because Wozniacki, Azarenka and Radwanska are all over 300, and will hit 600, bar significant injury or serious drop off a la Ivanovic, at around 27 or 28.

Chip.
Mar 27th, 2012, 07:49 PM
Tammy :worship:

The Witch-king
Mar 27th, 2012, 08:11 PM
http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lt43drqmvE1qewmu6o1_500.gif

When is your fave gonna do it?

Dodoboy.
Mar 27th, 2012, 08:14 PM
She only just hit 500 in Australia.

Most shocking is that both sisters should have way more, which is why it's hard to put them in contention with all time greats.
And it isn't an era thing, because Wozniacki, Azarenka and Radwanska are all over 300, and will hit 600, bar significant injury or serious drop off a la Ivanovic, at around 27 or 28.

Lawl.

tennisfan5
Mar 27th, 2012, 08:58 PM
Monica is a few wins shy of that..shows you how much her career was cut b/c of the stabbing and injury :(

itzhak
Mar 27th, 2012, 09:21 PM
Elena finished her career with 576 wins, she could easily get the 600 wins...

ptkten
Mar 27th, 2012, 10:12 PM
She only just hit 500 in Australia.

Most shocking is that both sisters should have way more, which is why it's hard to put them in contention with all time greats.
And it isn't an era thing, because Wozniacki, Azarenka and Radwanska are all over 300, and will hit 600, bar significant injury or serious drop off a la Ivanovic, at around 27 or 28.

I don't really consider Venus' total that low. She'll likely pass Tauziat, Sukova, Shriver, and Sabatini before her career is over which would put her at 10th all time in the Open era which isn't bad.

Serena is the one who has such a low level of wins compared to her other accomplishments.

DeliriousPotato
Mar 28th, 2012, 12:08 AM
Fools. Tanasugarn Is The Only Player Of Note.

RyanGuy
Mar 28th, 2012, 12:36 AM
How does Chris Evert have 4 less slams than Steffi Graf?

RyanGuy
Mar 28th, 2012, 12:36 AM
And how did Tammy achieve so little in her career?

ranfurly
Mar 28th, 2012, 12:50 AM
How does Chris Evert have 4 less slams than Steffi Graf?

Because Steffi won four more slams than Chris Evert.

ranfurly
Mar 28th, 2012, 12:52 AM
And how did Tammy achieve so little in her career?

Tammy's played for how long? anyone given her time frame and was a solid player such as Tammy would rack up 500 wins aswell.

the jamierbelyea
Mar 28th, 2012, 01:10 AM
Tammy's played for how long? anyone given her time frame and was a solid player such as Tammy would rack up 500 wins aswell.

I was surprised to see Tammy on the list and not see Amy Frazier and Ai Sugiyama players with similar healthy long careers, who achieved a bit more during their time on tour. Tammy has since eclipsed them in years played though and both Ai & Amy were close. I think Ai was 7 wins away and Amy 3 from reaching 500.

ranfurly
Mar 28th, 2012, 01:17 AM
I was surprised to see Tammy on the list and not see Amy Frazier and Ai Sugiyama players with similar healthy long careers, who achieved a bit more during their time on tour. Tammy has since eclipsed them in years played though and both Ai & Amy were close. I think Ai was 7 wins away and Amy 3 from reaching 500.

Yeah, they were the other 2 I was thinking of.

Always loved watching the three of them play.

OsloErik
Mar 28th, 2012, 05:20 AM
I was surprised to see Tammy on the list and not see Amy Frazier and Ai Sugiyama players with similar healthy long careers, who achieved a bit more during their time on tour. Tammy has since eclipsed them in years played though and both Ai & Amy were close. I think Ai was 7 wins away and Amy 3 from reaching 500.

This includes WTA and ITF wins. Tammy has played a lot of ITF lower-level events, because she hasn't been consistently entrenched in the top 70 or so throughout her career. Frazier couldn't really be bothered to play a lot of events after a while, and Ai almost exclusively played at the upper levels of the WTA.

Shivank17
Mar 28th, 2012, 05:39 AM
Tammy :bowdown:

tennis-insomniac
Mar 28th, 2012, 05:58 AM
:lol: @ Tammy gets most of the attention in this thread, and she deserves it! she's such an inspiration.

Vee :worship: I think Vee and Serena are not retiring soon, so hope they can get many more wins, and Tammy too! :)

VeeReeDavJCap81
Mar 28th, 2012, 06:24 AM
Chris Evert's winning percentage is insane :eek: I wonder if she ever got bored winning so much

LenaDMania0003
Mar 28th, 2012, 02:18 PM
Almost all recent big names retired with 500-600 career win.
Venus became the first player who broke "600 win wall" since Davenport :worship::worship:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=442184

Six Feet Under
Mar 28th, 2012, 02:30 PM
Marion on 450, she could break 500 this season :D
Jankovic and Kuzzy are on around 460 as well, both could break 600 by the end of their careers

Petronius
Mar 28th, 2012, 02:38 PM
How does Chris Evert have 4 less slams than Steffi Graf?

Easy answer: she had to compete with the best player of all time, who beat her in 10 grand slam finals, while Graf's main rival was stabbed.

Anabelcroft
Mar 28th, 2012, 02:54 PM
Fools. Tanasugarn Is The Only Player Of Note.

On ITF circuit :devil:

Anabelcroft
Mar 28th, 2012, 02:55 PM
Easy answer: she had to compete with the best player of all time

Yes,with Steffi Graf! :wavey:

OsloErik
Apr 24th, 2012, 06:40 AM
Chris Evert's winning percentage is insane :eek: I wonder if she ever got bored winning so much

She sometimes did. She used to take long breaks and skip the Australian Open almost every year.

The bigger problem was that during her best years, a weird upset would completely derail her. She would take 4 months off if she lost an important match to someone she thought had no business playing her.

Kind of the original Serena :devil:

Sombrerero loco
Apr 24th, 2012, 08:35 AM
so sad hingis stopped playing so soon =(

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 24th, 2012, 08:41 AM
http://www.wtatennis.com/news/20120326/stats-corner-602-and-counting-for-venus_2256076_2693866

MIAMI, FL, USA - Stuck on 598 career match wins since August while battling Sjögren's Syndrome, Venus Williams got to 600 and beyond in just her first event back on the WTA at the Sony Ericsson Open.

Williams' first round triumph over Kimiko Date-Krumm was her 599th, then her elimination of World No.3 Petra Kvitova on Friday put her at 600, her outlasting of Aleksandra Wozniak on Sunday gave her No.601 and her three-set victory on Monday over Ana Ivanovic was her 602nd.

Here is a list of all the players with at least 600 wins in the Open Era:

Player Record (Win Percentage)
Martina Navratilova 1442-219 (.868)
Chris Evert 1309-146 (.900)
Steffi Graf 902-115 (.887)
Virginia Wade 839-329 (.718)
Arantxa Sánchez-Vicario 759-295 (.720)
Lindsay Davenport 753-194 (.795)
Conchita Martínez 739-297 (.713)
Evonne Goolagong Cawley 695-158 (.815)
Billie Jean King 695-155 (.818)
Gabriela Sabatini 632-189 (.770)
Pam Shriver 623-271 (.697)
Helena Sukova 618-308 (.667)
Nathalie Tauziat 605-365 (.624)
Venus Williams 602-147 (.804)

Notes: Several players on this list started their careers before the Open Era, but this list reflects Open Era wins in main draw and qualifying of WTA and ITF Women's Circuit events … Only three active players besides Williams have at least 500 wins - Kim Clijsters, Serena Williams and Tamarine Tanasugarn.

Serena's about 80+ wins away...I think she can get to 600. She MIGHT pass Shriver if she plays for 3+ more seasons, but even if she stays in the 500+ club, her slam count and W/L % is MORE than enough to consider her one of the All-Time Greats.

Miss Atomic Bomb
Apr 24th, 2012, 08:41 AM
She only just hit 500 in Australia.

Most shocking is that both sisters should have way more, which is why it's hard to put them in contention with all time greats.

Thats because Serena's wins have come at the highest echelons of Women's tennis. She is not busy whoring points, wins and money in the lower tiers. The fact that even Tanasugarn could get to 600 wins proves that you can do it if you keep on constantly playing the internationals.

Lets not even factor in the seasons she has completely missed because of injuries. Injured right when she was peaking or starting to peak (late 2003 - mid 2004, 2005, 2006, late 2007, 2010, 2011). The win-loss record puts it all into perspective, showing who has played how many matches to get those wins. Wozniacki and Azarenka will not come close to matching Serena's win-loss.

Sam L
Apr 24th, 2012, 08:44 AM
How does Chris Evert have 4 less slams than Steffi Graf?
Because Monica was stabbed.

Sam L
Apr 24th, 2012, 08:47 AM
Easy answer: she had to compete with the best player of all time, who beat her in 10 grand slam finals, while Graf's main rival was stabbed.

Chris lost 5 Wimbledon finals to Martina - the 9 time Wimbledon champion.

Kinda like Venus losing 3 Wimbledon finals to Serena - the greatest player of this generation.

It's all about competition throughout your career. If you had tough, quality competition, you will win relatively less than those who didn't.

MrSerenaWilliams
Apr 24th, 2012, 09:17 AM
Thats because Serena's wins have come at the highest echelons of Women's tennis. She is not busy whoring points, wins and money in the lower tiers. The fact that even Tanasugarn could get to 600 wins proves that you can do it if you keep on constantly playing the internationals.

Lets not even factor in the seasons she has completely missed because of injuries. Injured right when she was peaking or starting to peak (late 2003 - mid 2004, 2005, 2006, late 2007, 2010, 2011). The win-loss record puts it all into perspective, showing who has played how many matches to get those wins. Wozniacki and Azarenka will not come close to matching Serena's win-loss.

EVERY.WORD.OF.THIS.

gbenga
Oct 14th, 2013, 03:53 PM
How close is Serena?

She only just hit 500 in Australia.

Most shocking is that both sisters should have way more, which is why it's hard to put them in contention with all time greats.
And it isn't an era thing, because Wozniacki, Azarenka and Radwanska are all over 300, and will hit 600, bar significant injury or serious drop off a la Ivanovic, at around 27 or 28.

There. Satisfied now? Some people just whine about anything.

Player Record (Win Percentage)
Martina Navratilova 1442-219 (.868)
Chris Evert 1309-146 (.900)
Steffi Graf 902-115 (.887)
Virginia Wade 839-329 (.718)
Arantxa Sánchez-Vicario 759-295 (.720)
Lindsay Davenport 753-194 (.795)
Conchita Martínez 739-297 (.713)
Evonne Goolagong Cawley 695-158 (.815)
Billie Jean King 695-155 (.818)
Venus Williams 638 - 166 (.794)
Gabriela Sabatini 632-189 (.770)
Serena Williams 627-112 (.848)
Pam Shriver 623-271 (.697)
Helena Sukova 618-308 (.667)
Nathalie Tauziat 605-365 (.624)

homogenius
Oct 14th, 2013, 03:58 PM
Navratilova numbers are insane :lol: She got more wins than Serena and Venus combined :eek:

TennisPhan
Oct 14th, 2013, 04:10 PM
so Serena won +/- 130 matches in a 2 year time span, which means she can easily pass Davenport (750+) if she keeps this up until the Olympics.

iWill
Oct 14th, 2013, 06:34 PM
To me its great that Serena has hit 600+ wins but what really stands out is the winning %. Some of the players with more wins than she has, also have close to 200 losses or more. Serena probably won't even lose 150 matches in her career. That is a big indicator of how much better she is than everyone she's taken the court against.

Comebacksova
Oct 14th, 2013, 07:32 PM
Tammy :speakles:

aselto
Oct 14th, 2013, 08:20 PM
To me its great that Serena has hit 600+ wins but what really stands out is the winning %. Some of the players with more wins than she has, also have close to 200 losses or more. Serena probably won't even lose 150 matches in her career. That is a big indicator of how much better she is than everyone she's taken the court against.

Steffi Graf 902-115 (.887)
Serena Williams 627-112 (.848)

iWill
Oct 14th, 2013, 09:45 PM
Steffi Graf 902-115 (.887)
Serena Williams 627-112 (.848)

:shrug: saw/knew that before I posted :angel:

MrSerenaWilliams
Oct 14th, 2013, 09:48 PM
Serena's about 80+ wins away...I think she can get to 600. She MIGHT pass Shriver if she plays for 3+ more seasons, but even if she stays in the 500+ club, her slam count and W/L % is MORE than enough to consider her one of the All-Time Greats.

She passed Pam in less than 1.5 years :sobbing:


LORD YOU ARE TOO GOOD :bowdown:

I (can honestly say, that even as her #1 stan) NEVER saw a 70+ win season in her future. NEVER. :tears:

Almost 60 wins last year and over 70 this year :eek:

She could easily finish her career (in 2030 :crying2: ) with well over 800 wins.

duhcity
Oct 14th, 2013, 10:01 PM
There. Satisfied now? Some people just whine about anything.

Absolutely. Do you not see how huge it is that Serena went from 500 wins at the beginning of 2012 to 627 before the end of 2013?
13 slams/500 wins v. 17 slams/627 wins is a very different conversation.

Steven.
Oct 14th, 2013, 10:31 PM
To me its great that Serena has hit 600+ wins but what really stands out is the winning %. Some of the players with more wins than she has, also have close to 200 losses or more. Serena probably won't even lose 150 matches in her career. That is a big indicator of how much better she is than everyone she's taken the court against.

i agree. w/l percentage says a lot about a player's greatness more than number of wins. to have a career w/l percentage of over 79 (i say 79 instead of 80 to include davenport and venus in this discussion), you need to be a top player for your entire career. it says a lot that only about 12 people in open era history have a w/l percentage above 79 (and only 3 active players have successfully maintained this rate so far - serena, maria and venus)

the most successful player of gen suck (vika) only has a w/l rate of 74%. in fact, vika has lost more times in her career than serena and maria has, and they've been playing for far longer.

Raiden
Oct 15th, 2013, 02:38 AM
Absolutely. Do you not see how huge it is that Serena went from 500 wins at the beginning of 2012 to 627 before the end of 2013?
13 slams/500 wins v. 17 slams/627 wins is a very different conversation.Exactly.

Serena intensified her tour schedule not to prove she can win lots of wta matches but in order to pad her career stats across the board.

She felt more and more that she was competing not against the scrubs in front of her but past tour legends as she became a goat contender

So she reckoned it was no longer enough to be a slamlord with thin tour credentials, since all of the other goat contenders are well-endowed in that respect.

aselto
Oct 15th, 2013, 02:47 AM
:shrug: saw/knew that before I posted :angel:

You said that (stats-wise) she's much better than everyone she's played against. Well she played 2 matches against Steffi and I don't think Steffi's W/L record pales in comparison to Serena's, not at all.

iWill
Oct 15th, 2013, 03:00 AM
You said that (stats-wise) she's much better than everyone she's played against. Well she played 2 matches against Steffi and I don't think Steffi's W/L record pales in comparison to Serena's, not at all.

No that is not what I said, and this isn't a Serena-Graf debate. I said that "SOME" of the players with more wins than Serena have close to 200 losses, clearly that doesn't include Graf.

They each can attribute a loss to the other player. 1-1

gbenga
Oct 15th, 2013, 03:02 AM
Exactly.

Serena intensified her tour schedule not to prove she can win lots of wta matches but in order to pad her career stats across the board.

She felt more and more that she was competing not against the scrubs in front of her but past tour legends as she became a goat contender

So she reckoned it was no longer enough to be a slamlord with thin tour credentials, since all of the other goat contenders are well-endowed in that respect.


Because if she doesn't pad her stats "online experts" like you won't accept her as the best or won't vote her into hall of fame. :lol:

aselto
Oct 15th, 2013, 03:06 AM
No that is not what I said, and this isn't a Serena-Graf debate. I said that "SOME" of the players with more wins than Serena have close to 200 losses, clearly that doesn't include Graf.

They each can attribute a loss to the other player. 1-1

You said "That is a big indicator of how much better she is than everyone she's taken the court against." I merely pointed out that not everyone.

iWill
Oct 15th, 2013, 03:09 AM
You said "That is a big indicator of how much better she is than everyone she's taken the court against." I merely pointed out that not everyone.

:lol: The same thing can be said about Steffi. Her winning % shows how much better she WAS than everyone she played against. Serena vs. Steffi is 1-1 so it works both ways.

aselto
Oct 15th, 2013, 03:14 AM
You said this stat alone:

Steffi Graf 902-115 (.887)
Serena Williams 627-112 (.848)

is a clear indicator Serena is much better than Steffi. Just admit you were either hyperbolic or wrong, that's all. Same for Steffi - she also played against Martina and Chris and their W/L record is not at all conclusive that she was better than them.

iWill
Oct 15th, 2013, 03:18 AM
You said this stat alone:

Steffi Graf 902-115 (.887)
Serena Williams 627-112 (.848)

is a clear indicator Serena is much better than Steffi. Just admit you were either hyperbolic or wrong, that's all. Same for Steffi - she also played against Martina and Chris and their W/L record is not at all conclusive that she was better than them.

I really wasn't attempting to say Serena was the GOAT. I've made that point NUMEROUS times on this board already. I was saying that compared to her contemporaries especially, her winning % shows that she is leaps and bounds ahead. If you compare it to Steffi she clearly isn't in the lead and I wasn't foolish enough to attempt to say that. Read the whole post, if you want to take that one line as my entire point than have at it.

iWill
Oct 15th, 2013, 03:23 AM
You said this stat alone:

Steffi Graf 902-115 (.887)
Serena Williams 627-112 (.848)

is a clear indicator Serena is much better than Steffi. Just admit you were either hyperbolic or wrong, that's all. Same for Steffi - she also played against Martina and Chris and their W/L record is not at all conclusive that she was better than them.

How is it not conclusive that she was much better than them? She won more than they did and at times at their expense.

Its really not a point worth arguing over but feel free to take this up with someone else who has the desire to have yet ANOTHER one of these debates

aselto
Oct 15th, 2013, 03:33 AM
I was saying that compared to her contemporaries especially, her winning % shows that she is leaps and bounds ahead.(...) Read the whole post, if you want to take that one line as my entire point than have at it.
You clearly said she's better than everyone she's played against (based on those stats alone) and that includes Steffi. I merely pointed out that's not the case and now you're doing everything but admitting I was right.:lol:

iWill
Oct 15th, 2013, 03:34 AM
You clearly said she's better than everyone she's played against (based on those stats alone) and that includes Steffi. I merely pointed out that's not the case and now you're doing everything but admitting I was right.:lol:

Well if I don't think you're right I'm not going to admit that. Even if I was including Steffi when I posted that (and I wasn't) its still true. Serena is better than Steffi is/was/will ever be. Happy now that I've doubled down? ;)

aselto
Oct 15th, 2013, 03:40 AM
Even if I was including Steffi when I posted that (and I wasn't)
Then you should have phrased it differently, because "everyone Serena has played against" does include Steffi. I'm out of here, all attempts to get my message across seem futile.

iWill
Oct 15th, 2013, 03:42 AM
Then you should have phrased it differently, because "everyone Serena has played against" does include Steffi. I'm out of here, all attempts to get my message across seem futile.

No you got your message across, but you should have lead with THIS post. I'll admit I could have phrased it better. ;)