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stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:50 PM
Damn, 3-4 :( :(

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:51 PM
3-4 Masha

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:51 PM
Not looking good :( 5-3

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:51 PM
5-3 Masha :sobbing:

sunsets21
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:51 PM
Shit. Shit shit shit.

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:51 PM
5-4

Still on serve. Two first serves Sam!

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:52 PM
Sam gets one point back. Back on serve, stay focussed Sam!

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:52 PM
Yesss

5-5

COME ON SAM. FIRST SERVE!

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:52 PM
brilliant!

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Fuohjfwehofwefoqkefjkook;wef

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:53 PM
Sp :( :( :(

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:54 PM
:facepalm: :sobbing:

Huntress55
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:54 PM
Shit.

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:54 PM
Noooo.....Sammy :hug::sad::bigcry:

76 67 :sad:

She must be so disappointed :sad:

(Almost 6am now).

sunsets21
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:54 PM
Of course. It would have been too easy if she won in straight sets :sad:

sunsets21
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:55 PM
Oh, the stress... :sad:

Siderophyre
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:55 PM
:sobbing:

Fuuuuuuuuuuuck.

bertisonline
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:58 PM
This is the USO11 coming back... B.

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:58 PM
Good hold Sam 1-0

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 07:58 PM
Majestic serving :worship:

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:00 PM
Sam had the better stats in the set, and won more points :(

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:01 PM
Maria also starting to serve a lot better :(

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:01 PM
1-1

Maria's game has really gone up a level.

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:03 PM
2-1

I am so exhausted. Just watching Sam's games makes me feel like I've run a marathon.

I can't imagine how Sam feels! :hug:

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:04 PM
Excellent hold again from Sam. She needs to start putting some pressure on Maria's serve. If she can do that I think Maria will find it hard to maintain her current level of play.

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:07 PM
Sam is not moving maria around enough, she's in her comfort zone on the baseline

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:08 PM
return!

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:08 PM
2-2

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Can't use errors like that :(

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:10 PM
15-30 Fuucckkk

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:10 PM
30-40

:sad:

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:11 PM
BP :bigcry:

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:11 PM
40-40

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Great serve again from Sam :worship:

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Adv Sam

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:12 PM
3-2

Good hold for Sammy after a struggle.

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:13 PM
Great hold from Sam, but she needs to start to peg Masha back a bit.

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:14 PM
great defending from Sam! Needs a few more points like that

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:15 PM
15-15

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:15 PM
MAria is just not giving away any UEs at the moment.

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:16 PM
40-30

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:16 PM
30-40, peg her back to deuce Sam!

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:17 PM
Yessss

40-40

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:17 PM
Deuce! this is more like it. 2 points now Sam!

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:17 PM
God damnit Maria.

Please just go away

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:18 PM
3-3

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:18 PM
Damn, Maria isn't supposed to have a serve these days :(

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:19 PM
Maria is reading the points better than Sam now

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:19 PM
0-30 :(

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:19 PM
Nppppp
0-30

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:20 PM
15-30

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:20 PM
30-30

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:21 PM
30-40 :sobbing:

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:21 PM
30-40 :(

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:21 PM
40-40 :)

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:22 PM
Sam serving her way out of trouble, but how long can she keep it up?

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:22 PM
Adv Sam

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:22 PM
Game point

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:23 PM
4-3

I am going to vomit into the pile of vomit that is already on the floor :bigcry:

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:24 PM
Sam is playing one of the matches of her life, and is in danger of losing :(

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:24 PM
It's now or never I feel, she has to break Maria now.

Siderophyre
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:25 PM
I'll have to sit quietly in a darkened room for a few hours after this...

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:25 PM
STOP HITTING THE LINES AND START HITTING THEM OuT!

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:25 PM
great return, great response from Sharapova

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:27 PM
4-4

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:28 PM
30-0

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:29 PM
30-15

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:29 PM
30-30 :(

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:29 PM
Back to 30-30 :(

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:30 PM
40-30

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:30 PM
Phew! 40-30

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:31 PM
5-4

Come on Sam.

And also, come on DFPova. WHERE ARE YOUR UNFORCED ERRORS?

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:31 PM
Have nothing but admiration for what Sam is doing in this match.

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:32 PM
Have nothing but admiration for what Sam is doing in this match.

+1

Could not have asked for more. If she loses, she should still be very proud of herself.

Although I still want her to win :cheer:

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:33 PM
When in the last 5 years has Sharapova served as well as this?

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:33 PM
40-0 :sad:

sunsets21
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:34 PM
When in the last 5 years has Sharapova served as well as this?

Sam brings out the best in everyone. Unfortunately. And interestingly.

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:34 PM
Love game :(

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:34 PM
5-5

Masha's looking pretty unstoppable on serve. Sam's only shot might be in a tiebreaker.

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:35 PM
Sam brings out the best in everyone. Unfortunately. And interestingly.

Too true

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:36 PM
0-15

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:36 PM
Some cracks apearing in Sam's ground game now :(

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:36 PM
15-15

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:37 PM
15-30 :(

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:37 PM
Nooooooooo


15-40

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:37 PM
2 virtual MPs :bigcry:

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:38 PM
30-40

First serve in Sam!

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:38 PM
One BP saved!

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:39 PM
Fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfu :bigcry:

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:39 PM
6-5 :sobbing:

sunsets21
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:40 PM
:sad::sad::sad:

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:41 PM
15-0 :sad:

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:41 PM
30-0 :sad::sad:

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:41 PM
Crap! 30-0

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:42 PM
40-0 :sad::sad::sad:

sunsets21
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:42 PM
Well, I'm proud of her either way. It was a good match.

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:42 PM
40-15

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:43 PM
67 76 75 :sad:

Sammy :hug:

I am dead.

But props to Masha

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:44 PM
She did very little wrong, Maria just found a level I haven't seen from her in about 5 years.

sunsets21
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:44 PM
:sad:

I'm fucking proud of her though. 3 hours and an amazing battle for the win.

SilverPersian
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:49 PM
I hope she's not too disappointed. Everything about today makes me think she can cause serious damage at Rome, Madrid and Roland Garros. But she'll be frustrated at not taking advantage of that match point.

tenniscrazy84
Apr 27th, 2012, 08:51 PM
I am proud of her....but she served for the match and couldn't close it...yeah I know it was Maria in front but she cant missed chances like that...after all shes been trough her head is still her weakness

sunsets21
Apr 27th, 2012, 09:21 PM
Oh dear, GM really does have a way of making tempers flare :lol:

tenniscrazy84
Apr 27th, 2012, 09:25 PM
Oh dear, GM really does have a way of making tempers flare :lol:

what happened???

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 09:27 PM
I am proud of her....but she served for the match and couldn't close it...yeah I know it was Maria in front but she cant missed chances like that...after all shes been trough her head is still her weakness

Don't agree, she was very tough from start to finish in this match. She may have been a bit tense serving for the match, but everybody is, and when you have just a few points separating you from a place in the SF, a string breaks, your opponent starts going for broke on the return, you miss a line or two, before you know it the moment is gone. That's not a choke, it happens to the toughest of players on a regular basis. The thing is that when the moment has passed you have to shrug it off and move on. Sam did that and I'm proud of her. Maria played one of her best matches in years to beat her, Sam has abosolutely nothing to be embarrassed or ashamed of, on the contrary. And she is more a contender for RG after playing this match than she was before, because I can't see Maria coming up with tennis like that to beat her a second time, and I can't see many other players doing so either. Just saying.;)

sunsets21
Apr 27th, 2012, 09:28 PM
what happened???

Nothing really, I just got a bit annoyed at a certain Sam 'fan' that could never keep his mouth shut :lol:

stromatolite
Apr 27th, 2012, 09:33 PM
Nothing really, I just got a bit annoyed at a certain Sam 'fan' that could never keep his mouth shut :lol:

You weren't the only one :lol:. Pretty surreal situation, most of the Masha fans falling over each other to compliment Sam, and this supposed fan trashing her.

sunsets21
Apr 27th, 2012, 09:37 PM
You weren't the only one :lol:. Pretty surreal situation, most of the Masha fans falling over each other to compliment Sam, and this supposed fan trashing her.

He's been posting things like that for the past few years :lol:. The thing is he's an easy target for Sam haters and they have justified hating Sam because of him in the past. Some people never change, eh?

It's a nice change to see Masha fans complimenting Sam though. We Sam fans aren't so isolated anymore :lol:

Monzanator
Apr 27th, 2012, 10:06 PM
You weren't the only one :lol:. Pretty surreal situation, most of the Masha fans falling over each other to compliment Sam, and this supposed fan trashing her.

Because this was a match where tennis won. Maria often plays crap matches lately, yet somehow toughs out a win in strange circumstances ;) She played some exciting matches that went down to the wire but were mostly littered with errors. Today was different. For me, that goes right up with her RG matches against Schnyder in 2007 (where she saved 2 MP) and Li Na in 2009. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say today was the best red clay match Maria has ever played (and this against pretty sharp looking Stosur, definitely a class above their Rome final in all areas). I haven't watched that many Staosur's red clay matches so I cannot say whether she can play better or whether this was as close to her best as possible, but against this well playing Stosur, Maria probably wouldn't have won again in a long time, if ever.

bertisonline
Apr 27th, 2012, 10:36 PM
Don't agree, she was very tough from start to finish in this match. She may have been a bit tense serving for the match, but everybody is, and when you have just a few points separating you from a place in the SF, a string breaks, your opponent starts going for broke on the return, you miss a line or two, before you know it the moment is gone. That's not a choke, it happens to the toughest of players on a regular basis. The thing is that when the moment has passed you have to shrug it off and move on. Sam did that and I'm proud of her. Maria played one of her best matches in years to beat her, Sam has abosolutely nothing to be embarrassed or ashamed of, on the contrary. And she is more a contender for RG after playing this match than she was before, because I can't see Maria coming up with tennis like that to beat her a second time, and I can't see many other players doing so either. Just saying.;)

The first string break happened at the worst moment, unclicking her direct way to victory; had to re adapt her game with her new racquet, and missed her first serve just after. Everything then was only one point in or out.
Frustrating, but her level is close to her best ever.
A slightly better draw, a better racquet preparation, some inches of luck, can even ease it a little bit more: it will come.
Note: I am sure you have seen how violently Sam throwed her broken racquet to Sim during that changeover, which ran immediately out of the court with it. Maybe you remember also Sam speaking of Zvera racquets' broken last year at Stuttgart, suggesting to change it...
B.

tennisforadults
Apr 27th, 2012, 11:23 PM
Because this was a match where tennis won. Maria often plays crap matches lately, yet somehow toughs out a win in strange circumstances ;) She played some exciting matches that went down to the wire but were mostly littered with errors. Today was different. For me, that goes right up with her RG matches against Schnyder in 2007 (where she saved 2 MP) and Li Na in 2009. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say today was the best red clay match Maria has ever played (and this against pretty sharp looking Stosur, definitely a class above their Rome final in all areas). I haven't watched that many Staosur's red clay matches so I cannot say whether she can play better or whether this was as close to her best as possible, but against this well playing Stosur, Maria probably wouldn't have won again in a long time, if ever.

Hey, seriously you are in the WRONG forum. We welcome posters here, but if you want to praise Masha, please do it in GM. Let us whinge and grief about our favourite. You wouldn't want us singing Sam's praises in Masha's forum if the match went the other way.

I appreciate that you are also complimenting Sam, but this is not the place to gloat about Maria playing her best red clay match. Have some tact. Thanks.

tennisforadults
Apr 27th, 2012, 11:28 PM
I hope she's not too disappointed. Everything about today makes me think she can cause serious damage at Rome, Madrid and Roland Garros. But she'll be frustrated at not taking advantage of that match point.

Agreed. Still early in the clay season. She's now made SF Charleston and QF Stuttgart. Most consistently good results since USO Series last year.

She should be aiming to peak at RG. But of course a win in Rome or Madrid will be nice.

stromatolite
Apr 28th, 2012, 12:45 AM
Because this was a match where tennis won. Maria often plays crap matches lately, yet somehow toughs out a win in strange circumstances ;) She played some exciting matches that went down to the wire but were mostly littered with errors. Today was different. For me, that goes right up with her RG matches against Schnyder in 2007 (where she saved 2 MP) and Li Na in 2009. I'm gonna go out on a limb and say today was the best red clay match Maria has ever played (and this against pretty sharp looking Stosur, definitely a class above their Rome final in all areas). I haven't watched that many Staosur's red clay matches so I cannot say whether she can play better or whether this was as close to her best as possible, but against this well playing Stosur, Maria probably wouldn't have won again in a long time, if ever.

This match is right up there with Sam's best clay matches, so I'm gutted she lost of course, but all the more kudos to Maria for winning this match. I was never very impressed by Maria's clay game before this, but I've changed my opinion. Like you said, tennis won today, only a shame it wasn't the final.

stromatolite
Apr 28th, 2012, 12:48 AM
The first string break happened at the worst moment, unclicking her direct way to victory; had to re adapt her game with her new racquet, and missed her first serve just after. Everything then was only one point in or out.
Frustrating, but her level is close to her best ever.
A slightly better draw, a better racquet preparation, some inches of luck, can even ease it a little bit more: it will come.
Note: I am sure you have seen how violently Sam throwed her broken racquet to Sim during that changeover, which ran immediately out of the court with it. Maybe you remember also Sam speaking of Zvera racquets' broken last year at Stuttgart, suggesting to change it...
B.

I didn't see her throw the racquet to Sim, but could tell she was upset, understandably so. It was one of the few times she almost lost her cool in the whole match.

Towanda
Apr 28th, 2012, 02:13 AM
I didn't get to see this match, but watched it on score tracker while at the gym. Yes, all three hours of it while running on a treadmill....okay, part of the time I just walked.

From seeing it only on score tracker, it seemed to be a fantastic match. I'm incredibly disappointed that Sam lost, but I feel really good about the rest of the clay season. I think she'll do very well.

bertisonline
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:28 AM
Agreed. Still early in the clay season. She's now made SF Charleston and QF Stuttgart. Most consistently good results since USO Series last year.

She should be aiming to peak at RG. But of course a win in Rome or Madrid will be nice.

One can also also mention her two first Fed Cup rounds this year, 4 matches, 4 wins. It is not exactly the same obviously, but it's a competition during the same period of time in parallel, on clay. B.

Grigorpova
Apr 28th, 2012, 03:33 AM
I hope she can take this 'close' encounter with her and turn it into even better results in Madrid, Rome and Paris.

I have a feeling she'll win one of the three.

SilverPersian
Apr 28th, 2012, 04:41 AM
Just saying, but Sam lost to Serena and Maria in the lead up to the USO as well...:inlove:

Keadz
Apr 28th, 2012, 05:24 AM
She is playing well. I'm not to stressed, she is rallying well which IMO is always a good measure of her confidence levels. Losing to Maria and Serena isn't too much of an issue, hopefully she can get some kinder draws in her next few tournaments so she has enough match play to do something big at Roland Garros. My expectations are growing everytime I see her play. She seems to have improved her sliding and defensive play quite a lot, more variety on the serve, backhand slice is staying low and she has great control over the double hander. Maybe she could try and shorten the points more and come into the net.

In saying that, this is a quick clay court, so it probably helped Maria today.

stromatolite
Apr 28th, 2012, 08:01 AM
Everything about today makes me think she can cause serious damage at Rome, Madrid and Roland Garros.

Agreed. Still early in the clay season. She's now made SF Charleston and QF Stuttgart. Most consistently good results since USO Series last year.

She should be aiming to peak at RG. But of course a win in Rome or Madrid will be nice.


I'm incredibly disappointed that Sam lost, but I feel really good about the rest of the clay season. I think she'll do very well.

One can also also mention her two first Fed Cup rounds this year, 4 matches, 4 wins. It is not exactly the same obviously, but it's a competition during the same period of time in parallel, on clay. B.

She is playing well. I'm not to stressed, she is rallying well which IMO is always a good measure of her confidence levels. Losing to Maria and Serena isn't too much of an issue, hopefully she can get some kinder draws in her next few tournaments so she has enough match play to do something big at Roland Garros. My expectations are growing everytime I see her play. She seems to have improved her sliding and defensive play quite a lot, more variety on the serve, backhand slice is staying low and she has great control over the double hander. Maybe she could try and shorten the points more and come into the net.

In saying that, this is a quick clay court, so it probably helped Maria today.

Like all of you, I'm optimistic. IMO Sam is better placed than ever to do well at RG. She is 9-2 on clay already, but that isn't really the point. The point is that she is playing far far better than she was at the same point the last two years AND that mentally she seems to be in some kind of zen zone where nothing really fazes her. She made a comment a while ago to the effect that she is completely focussed on playing the way she wants to play, and if she does that and somebody still comes up with the goods to beat her, than you just have to say "too good on the day" and move on. That means she's going into all her matches these days fully fired up and confident. And despite her loss last night, she's the form player atm on clay I think.

Just saying, but Sam lost to Serena and Maria in the lead up to the USO as well...:inlove:

Could be a good omen :) The only thing that has me worried is just how much both Serena and Maria raised their games to beat her. Serena joked a while ago that everybody plays the match of their lives against her, but these days this seems to apply even more to Sam. Julia had been playing poorly but raised her game in the R2 match against Sam. Nadia, Jelena, Sorana played at a high level against Sam in an otherwise mediocre season for them. What is it exactly about Sam that has this effect on other players?

tennisforadults
Apr 28th, 2012, 11:51 PM
Could be a good omen :) The only thing that has me worried is just how much both Serena and Maria raised their games to beat her. Serena joked a while ago that everybody plays the match of their lives against her, but these days this seems to apply even more to Sam. Julia had been playing poorly but raised her game in the R2 match against Sam. Nadia, Jelena, Sorana played at a high level against Sam in an otherwise mediocre season for them. What is it exactly about Sam that has this effect on other players?

Good observation. Well, answer is easy. Sam is now a Grand Slam champion and has been consistently a top player for the last three seasons. Who doesn't want a scalp like that?

Add Kirilenko to the list too.

stromatolite
Apr 29th, 2012, 04:38 AM
Good observation. Well, answer is easy. Sam is now a Grand Slam champion and has been consistently a top player for the last three seasons. Who doesn't want a scalp like that?

Add Kirilenko to the list too.

Czink too.

Your explanation makes sense, but only up to a point I think. Except for Barthel, nobody seems to fancy their chances against Vika since the AO, but somehow everybody seems to think they've got a chance against Sam.

SilverPersian
Apr 29th, 2012, 05:21 AM
I think some of the contributing factors are:
-what tennisforadults said
-the fact that Sam is regarded as a "choker". I don't think this label is fair anymore, but if it's what her opponents think then it acts as a strong motivator to stay in and fight when they're down. And this plays into...
-...the fact that Sam doesn't have the same killer instinct as some - she has a tendency to let leads slip away in sets, giving her opponents momentum and hope
-I also think that because there are some aspects of Sam's game that are less good than others, her opponents can create a clear game plan that keeps them motivated and focused on court.

I think that overall this might be a good thing though; Sam needs to get used to playing tough matches if she's going to be picking up more grand slam titles, and if she's always being held to account by her opponents then she hopefully will get into the habit of performing at her best (or close to it) in every match she plays.

stromatolite
Apr 29th, 2012, 05:49 AM
^I think this is largely true. By extension, the tougher Sam gets, and the more she can reduce the weaknesses in her game and improve her consistency, the less she will be seen as an easy target.

Related to this, I think that the fact that her game is strongly based on her 2 big weapons (serve and FH) quite literally gives her opponents something to target. If they can get hold of her serve and/or make it more difficult for her to unleash her heavy FH, she can be vulnerable. To the extent that people like Vika and Masha have "weapons", it's their return of serve, which puts their opponents on the defensive (the only way you can "attack" a good returner is by serving better).

Monzanator
Apr 29th, 2012, 08:20 AM
One other thing is Stosur's less then impressive h2h against current Top 5. I guess all those girls genuinely expect to win against her regardless of how well-mannered their pre- and post-match comments are regarding her. It's a complete opposite of the likes of Serena who even ranked lower, is always a threat to anyone ranked inside Top 5. Stosur just lacks that fear factor IMO. I have no idea whether Stosur feels the same, being the special uninvited guest to a party but keeps sticking her foot in the door. She has maintained her place in the Top 10 far longer then most of TF would have thought before and once again will come in as a dark horse for FO which means she'll be behind some other big guns in the bookies' pecking order but no one will be surprised if she actually wins the title.

Siderophyre
Apr 29th, 2012, 12:37 PM
One other thing is Stosur's less then impressive h2h against current Top 5. I guess all those girls genuinely expect to win against her regardless of how well-mannered their pre- and post-match comments are regarding her. It's a complete opposite of the likes of Serena who even ranked lower, is always a threat to anyone ranked inside Top 5. Stosur just lacks that fear factor IMO. I have no idea whether Stosur feels the same, being the special uninvited guest to a party but keeps sticking her foot in the door. She has maintained her place in the Top 10 far longer then most of TF would have thought before and once again will come in as a dark horse for FO which means she'll be behind some other big guns in the bookies' pecking order but no one will be surprised if she actually wins the title.

Against the top 3 you mean. She has a winning record against Aga.

I don't mind your comments really and they aren't without validity, but I'm not sure why you are posting them here. I thought the player forums were supposed to be a bit of a sanctuary from GM.

Monzanator
Apr 29th, 2012, 06:39 PM
This was my overall reception of Stosur's presence, not exactly worthy of a GM thread. I'm neither a Stosur fan nor a hater but if this particular fanbase doesn't feel the need of unbiased opinion, that's fine and I will go away.

sunsets21
Apr 29th, 2012, 08:32 PM
^Do what you wish. Personally, I don't mind that you post here. The only people I do mind are the people who come here and post gifs or something along those lines after their player beats Sam. It has only happened once in recent memory, mind you, but you get my drift.

Siderophyre
Apr 29th, 2012, 09:56 PM
This was my overall reception of Stosur's presence, not exactly worthy of a GM thread. I'm neither a Stosur fan nor a hater but if this particular fanbase doesn't feel the need of unbiased opinion, that's fine and I will go away.

Hey dude I didn't actually mean to tell you to fuck off! Sorry if that's how it sounded.

tennisforadults
Apr 30th, 2012, 03:50 AM
One other thing is Stosur's less then impressive h2h against current Top 5. I guess all those girls genuinely expect to win against her regardless of how well-mannered their pre- and post-match comments are regarding her. It's a complete opposite of the likes of Serena who even ranked lower, is always a threat to anyone ranked inside Top 5. Stosur just lacks that fear factor IMO. I have no idea whether Stosur feels the same, being the special uninvited guest to a party but keeps sticking her foot in the door. She has maintained her place in the Top 10 far longer then most of TF would have thought before and once again will come in as a dark horse for FO which means she'll be behind some other big guns in the bookies' pecking order but no one will be surprised if she actually wins the title.

Top 4 except Radwanska, as Siderophyre said.

It's unfortunate that Sam's game is so dependent on match up. The current top 3 are the worst kind of players she can meet - tall with powerful returns and groundstrokes, who can eat her kick 2nd serves. When Sam made the FO final, she faced Henin, Serena and JJ, all of whom match up is not as much of a problem. I like your party analogy. I think she would have easily matched the top when Wozniacki and Zvonareva were number 1 and 2. But now, not so much. For her to win the French, the draw would have to collapse in some way like the USO.

This was my overall reception of Stosur's presence, not exactly worthy of a GM thread. I'm neither a Stosur fan nor a hater but if this particular fanbase doesn't feel the need of unbiased opinion, that's fine and I will go away.

I don't think we want you to go away. It's good for our souls to have a difference of opinion. Please don't be offended if we come across as a bit protective. You can imagine we like our sanctuary after dealing with all the nonsense in GM.

stromatolite
Apr 30th, 2012, 07:57 AM
This was my overall reception of Stosur's presence, not exactly worthy of a GM thread. I'm neither a Stosur fan nor a hater but if this particular fanbase doesn't feel the need of unbiased opinion, that's fine and I will go away.

I know you're not a hater, but by you're own admission you're not a fan either. You're perfectly entitled to post here, but we'd appreciate it if you showed a little restraint when doing so. We fans are quite often critical of Sam, but I think it's safe to say that most of us have earned that right by being generally supportive of her over a lengthy period of time. By definition non-fans don't have similar credit, so we are not as tolerant when it comes to critical remarks towards Sam and/or excessive praise for another player when they come from a non-fan such as yourself.

Btw: in my experience, unbiased opinion doesn't exist on TF, and possibly at all. It's your opinion, which by definition means that it is influenced by all the preconceptions, assumptions, incomplete information, etc. that go into forming it. Please keep that in mind as well, at least when posting here.

Monzanator
Apr 30th, 2012, 04:28 PM
Fair point, but the funny thing is, I haven't criticized Stosur after her Stuttgart QF, quite the contrary. I've heard opinions about Stosur from her fans stating she's not a clay speciallist and she won USO mainly thanks to the draw collapsing in favor of her, just two examples I don't agree with, but perhaps you know better.

As for the unbiased issue, I've been following tennis since the early 90s and have seen a lot of players before the current generation. During all this period there were only a handful of players whom I've really despised and there are only two currently active (it's neither of the WS, nor Ivanovic nor Jankovic, the usual suspects for a Sharapova fan). I've been taking some cheap digs at random players from time to time but that was mostly with a huge dose of sarcasm which had been unnoticed and caused unneccessary stir. Over the past two and a half years there were only two issues I really got emotional about, the last one being the Venus USO no-show, where I admittedly was wrong and apologized for my outburst. There are however few players whom I find interesting to follow, because of circumstances around their careers. And Stosur, being the original doubles speciallist, then becoming a singles GS champion is one of those players. Her extended h2h with Sharapova does help this cause regardless of it's exact numbers.

btw, Stosur's players forum is the only one I've ever posted apart from the WS & Radwanskas one (I'm not counting players who don't even have their own sub-forum here).

stromatolite
Apr 30th, 2012, 05:53 PM
Fair point, but the funny thing is, I haven't criticized Stosur after her Stuttgart QF, quite the contrary. I've heard opinions about Stosur from her fans stating she's not a clay speciallist and she won USO mainly thanks to the draw collapsing in favor of her, just two examples I don't agree with, but perhaps you know better.

As for the unbiased issue, I've been following tennis since the early 90s and have seen a lot of players before the current generation. During all this period there were only a handful of players whom I've really despised and there are only two currently active (it's neither of the WS, nor Ivanovic nor Jankovic, the usual suspects for a Sharapova fan). I've been taking some cheap digs at random players from time to time but that was mostly with a huge dose of sarcasm which had been unnoticed and caused unneccessary stir. Over the past two and a half years there were only two issues I really got emotional about, the last one being the Venus USO no-show, where I admittedly was wrong and apologized for my outburst. There are however few players whom I find interesting to follow, because of circumstances around their careers. And Stosur, being the original doubles speciallist, then becoming a singles GS champion is one of those players. Her extended h2h with Sharapova does help this cause regardless of it's exact numbers.

btw, Stosur's players forum is the only one I've ever posted apart from the WS & Radwanskas one (I'm not counting players who don't even have their own sub-forum here).

I think there's a little misunderstanding here. I don't think you're biased in the sense of being anti-Sam. Like I said, you're not a hater. But when you enquired whether we would value an unbiased opinion here, I interpreted that as meaning "objective", not "neutral". We don't mind neutral opinions like yours, but unless they contain something insightful that we don't already know or didn't already think of, it doesn't really add much value to the forum. An unbiased view in the sense of insightful objective analysis, cutting through the positive and negative crap and telling it like it is, would be a welcome addition. No offense, but I don't think your contributions fall into this category. Nonetheless, as long as you're respectful, you're welcome to drop in from time to time.

Btw, I'm not sure which "fans" made the "USO draw collapsing" comments, but they certainly weren't regulars on Sam's player forum. There are some posters on GM mascarading as fans who post negative shit about her when it suits them, but from my point of view they're just haters in disguise.

Sam herself doesn't regard herself as a clay specialist per se, but admits that she likes the surface and does well on it. I don't think many people here would disagree with that.

Monzanator
Apr 30th, 2012, 09:24 PM
Well, I did make that comment where I've said that against this kind of Stosur play, Sharapova wouldn't have probably won ever again as this was Maria's best match on clay IMO. I don't think many of Stosur fans have followed Sharapova's clay efforts apart from perhaps RG and Rome final last year, yet I've seen some repeated "choking" comments on GM by alleged Stosur fans, some of whom I've noticed posting over here as well. I won't claim any expert knowledge setting the new world order you're perhaps expecting and looking for, I'm talking from 20 years experience as a fan of the sport. If that counts for anything, that's up for scrutiny.

btw, you don't have to be an Italian or Spanish citizen to be regarded as clay speciallist on WTA. Just look at Sharapova, clay was always her worst surface, yet the two biggest titles she won in the past year were on clay. Just as Stosur's USO title doesn't render her as a HC speciallist, the same reflects to Maria for whom clay is still the worst surface comfort-wise.

One other thing, if we assume Stosur plays 100% of her abilities, doesn't enjoy any cakewalk draws against random journeywomen, which would you regard as the more likley to happen: winning the French Open or defending the USO? I believes most if not all of her fans reckon her chances of winning FO are far superior than USO. Can you say otherwise?

SilverPersian
May 1st, 2012, 04:18 AM
It's a little bit unlikely, but if Sam has strong results at both Madrid and Rome, and Petra bows out early, she's within striking distance of overtaking her.

I'm still desperately holding out for that top four seeding at RG :cheer:

stromatolite
May 1st, 2012, 04:46 AM
Well, I did make that comment where I've said that against this kind of Stosur play, Sharapova wouldn't have probably won ever again as this was Maria's best match on clay IMO. I don't think many of Stosur fans have followed Sharapova's clay efforts apart from perhaps RG and Rome final last year, yet I've seen some repeated "choking" comments on GM by alleged Stosur fans, some of whom I've noticed posting over here as well. I won't claim any expert knowledge setting the new world order you're perhaps expecting and looking for, I'm talking from 20 years experience as a fan of the sport. If that counts for anything, that's up for scrutiny.

btw, you don't have to be an Italian or Spanish citizen to be regarded as clay speciallist on WTA. Just look at Sharapova, clay was always her worst surface, yet the two biggest titles she won in the past year were on clay. Just as Stosur's USO title doesn't render her as a HC speciallist, the same reflects to Maria for whom clay is still the worst surface comfort-wise.

One other thing, if we assume Stosur plays 100% of her abilities, doesn't enjoy any cakewalk draws against random journeywomen, which would you regard as the more likley to happen: winning the French Open or defending the USO? I believes most if not all of her fans reckon her chances of winning FO are far superior than USO. Can you say otherwise?

I think you're making controversies where they don't exist. If you want to call Sam a claycourt specialist I really don't mind too much one way or another, it's all good.

As for Sharapova, you're absolutely right that most Stosur fans have not followed Maria's clay results very closely (at least I haven't). I certainly underestimated her abilities on clay before the Stuttgart tournament, and have admitted as much on several GM threads in the last few days. But that's all normal, and is precisely what I meant when I said that nobody is truly unbiased. Most people only follow their faves closely and therefore base their opinion of other players on impressions, which often turn out to be wrong. I'm no exception to that, and have never claimed to be.

That's the reason (well, one of the reasons ;)) I don't go onto Maria's player forum and pretend to be able to tell the fans there things they don't already know about Maria. Similarly (again, with all due respect), I don't think you can contribute much to this forum that we don't already know, at least when it comes to Sam.

stromatolite
May 1st, 2012, 04:58 AM
It's a little bit unlikely, but if Sam has strong results at both Madrid and Rome, and Petra bows out early, she's within striking distance of overtaking her.

I'm still desperately holding out for that top four seeding at RG :cheer:

It would certainly help, we saw that already in Stuttgart, where Aga reached the SF without setting the world on fire with her tennis to say the least, whereas Sam was far more impressive and lost in the QF. I'd prefer it if Sam overtook Aga, but that's next to impossible now.

But at the end of the day, if Sam is going to win RG she'll probably have to beat 2 top 4 players whether she has a top 4 seeding herself or not. The top 4 seeding only matters if she doesn't play well enough to beat those players, which could mean that she loses in the QF already rather than the SF or final. For me that doesn't make all that much difference tbh, I want her to win the title.

Huntress55
May 1st, 2012, 07:08 AM
^ Agreed.

I always get confused at how seedings work but Sam could get lucky and draw Aga :p

stromatolite
May 1st, 2012, 07:35 AM
^I'm not sure either, but yes, Sam could draw Aga I think. Would be nice. But I'd give her a decent chance of beating the others as well, including Vika.

tennisforadults
May 2nd, 2012, 05:27 AM
^I'm not sure either, but yes, Sam could draw Aga I think. Would be nice. But I'd give her a decent chance of beating the others as well, including Vika.

Wouldn't go that far... :lol:

I can still see Sam beating Maria on clay. There wasn't much separating them in Stuttgart, so it could go the other way on a different day.

tennisforadults
May 2nd, 2012, 05:45 AM
yet I've seen some repeated "choking" comments on GM by alleged Stosur fans, some of whom I've noticed posting over here as well.

That "fan" is Sammo, who doesn't post here. If he has, only once in a blue moon.

btw, you don't have to be an Italian or Spanish citizen to be regarded as clay speciallist on WTA.

One other thing, if we assume Stosur plays 100% of her abilities, doesn't enjoy any cakewalk draws against random journeywomen, which would you regard as the more likley to happen: winning the French Open or defending the USO? I believes most if not all of her fans reckon her chances of winning FO are far superior than USO. Can you say otherwise?

Sam's best surface is clay. No one doubts that, but she is NOT a clay specialist. A clay specialist is a tennis player who specialises in playing on clay. They usually grow up on the surface and honed their skills and weapons over their careers to suit the surface. Love sliding around the court.

Sam never saw a clay surface till she went overseas as a teenager. She grew up honing her skills on hard court and grass (ironically). Has repeatedly mentioned hard court being her favourite surface. She couldn't play on clay for most of her early career and is not a great mover. Then something clicked in 2009, allowing her to make her SF run at the French. Since then she has become a lot more confident and learned how to use her weapons better on the surface. It simply turns out that Sam's best shots (the kick serve and forehand) are most effective on clay. To specialise in clay implies intent on Sam's part to build her game around the surface, which is just not true.

In short, having best results on clay does not equate to being a clay specialist. You can understand that logic so well for Sharapova but can't seem to apply the same to Sam?

stromatolite
May 2nd, 2012, 05:57 AM
Wouldn't go that far... :lol:

I can still see Sam beating Maria on clay. There wasn't much separating them in Stuttgart, so it could go the other way on a different day.

Vika looked far from impressive in Stuttgart. On clay she can't achieve the same phenomenal control that she has on HC, which has been instrumental in her dominance over Sam. And her serve is always vulnerable. I don't see Vika as one of the biggest threats to Sam on clay, those are Serena, Maria and (maybe) Petra.

As for Sam's chances of beating Maria next time around, ironically that may depend on how well Maria continues to serve. It was her serving that won Stuttgart for her. Given how shaky her serve has been in recent years I have serious doubts as to whether she can keep it up, but if she does she will probably be the favorite for RG. But even then I think Sam has a chance of beating her.

Monzanator
May 2nd, 2012, 03:01 PM
That "fan" is Sammo, who doesn't post here. If he has, only once in a blue moon.



Sam's best surface is clay. No one doubts that, but she is NOT a clay specialist. A clay specialist is a tennis player who specialises in playing on clay. They usually grow up on the surface and honed their skills and weapons over their careers to suit the surface. Love sliding around the court.

Sam never saw a clay surface till she went overseas as a teenager. She grew up honing her skills on hard court and grass (ironically). Has repeatedly mentioned hard court being her favourite surface. She couldn't play on clay for most of her early career and is not a great mover. Then something clicked in 2009, allowing her to make her SF run at the French. Since then she has become a lot more confident and learned how to use her weapons better on the surface. It simply turns out that Sam's best shots (the kick serve and forehand) are most effective on clay. To specialise in clay implies intent on Sam's part to build her game around the surface, which is just not true.

In short, having best results on clay does not equate to being a clay specialist. You can understand that logic so well for Sharapova but can't seem to apply the same to Sam?

OK, but despite Sharapova winning her biggest titles in the past two years on clay, she's still far from being outnumbered on hard courts. She's been to GS finals in both Wimbledon and AO and if she won either of them, no one would claim she's had her best results on clay recently. The problem is, I haven't watched that many Stosur matches before 2009 (mainly due to the fact she hardly made any deep runs in singles) and when she finally got off the mark, clay was the stand out surface for her which I just couldn't help notice. Like I've said before, as for Sharapova, it's not like I've been following her since 2009 or something, so I have a much broader picture of her career and can make a judgement much more comfortably, without risking a wrong assumption.

I do understand clay is nowhere to be seen in Australia (over in Poland we have plenty of those :lol: while the only hard courts are indoors) and can agree with your following statements. Stromatolite said that there's mothing I can say about Stosur which her fans don't know already. But there is perhaps something her fans can say about her which I don't know ;) Problem is, whether you're willing to answer any of my questions :p

For the past three years I've heard a number of 'choking' comments about Stosur and allthough I agree that her mentality isn't as strong as her forehand ;) I haven't really seen her mad, losing her temper alltogether or similar to Strycova or Cornet racket bashing-alike situations. So despite her questionable mentality, she's selling herself pretty well, however the question remains whether most of the elite players intimidate her regardless of the cool on-court demeanour anyway.

Siderophyre
May 2nd, 2012, 11:18 PM
OK, but despite Sharapova winning her biggest titles in the past two years on clay, she's still far from being outnumbered on hard courts. She's been to GS finals in both Wimbledon and AO and if she won either of them, no one would claim she's had her best results on clay recently. The problem is, I haven't watched that many Stosur matches before 2009 (mainly due to the fact she hardly made any deep runs in singles) and when she finally got off the mark, clay was the stand out surface for her which I just couldn't help notice. Like I've said before, as for Sharapova, it's not like I've been following her since 2009 or something, so I have a much broader picture of her career and can make a judgement much more comfortably, without risking a wrong assumption.

I do understand clay is nowhere to be seen in Australia (over in Poland we have plenty of those :lol: while the only hard courts are indoors) and can agree with your following statements. Stromatolite said that there's mothing I can say about Stosur which her fans don't know already. But there is perhaps something her fans can say about her which I don't know ;) Problem is, whether you're willing to answer any of my questions :p

For the past three years I've heard a number of 'choking' comments about Stosur and allthough I agree that her mentality isn't as strong as her forehand ;) I haven't really seen her mad, losing her temper alltogether or similar to Strycova or Cornet racket bashing-alike situations. So despite her questionable mentality, she's selling herself pretty well, however the question remains whether most of the elite players intimidate her regardless of the cool on-court demeanour anyway.

I've been following WTA for at least 30 years, so I've watched a good deal of Sharapova. IMHO Maria won those titles because she was really 'on'. Surface had nothing to do with it. When her serve clicks and she cuts down the UEs and the DFs she wins.

ANYWAY, back to Sam. No she doesn't smash racquets and have tantrums. In fact I believe her saying "fuck" out loud during the epic Kirilenko match at the USO was the first and only time she ever got a code violation. As to her being intimidated - the most intimidating player in the game is certainly Serena and Sam is clearly not intimidated there. I would say that in the past for Sam it had more to do with having (or not having...) the belief she could win rather than being intimidated by the opponent.

I also think people notice her clay court game because clay simply emphasises how different her game is from the other players. As Stromatolite said, that does not make her a clay specialist. It's more like a happy coincidence. I became a fan after I saw her practicing a while ago - this was before she became known in singles - and was blown away by the huge, heavy balls (:lol:). Even if she can't always pull it off, her game is unique - even the other players acknowledge that.

SilverPersian
May 4th, 2012, 03:38 AM
As of this week it's been two years since Sammy made the quarters of a Premier Mandatory. In that same time she's made three QFs (or better) at grand slams and made three P5 finals. Methinks it is time to rectify this record.

stromatolite
May 4th, 2012, 05:00 AM
As of this week it's been two years since Sammy made the quarters of a Premier Mandatory. In that same time she's made three QFs (or better) at grand slams and made three P5 finals. Methinks it is time to rectify this record.

I didn't know that.:eek: I agree, time to rectify the record. Even though the conditions in Madrid don't suit her all that well, I think she is playing well enough to go fairly deep this time.

Update: the buzz on GM is that the blue clay is slower and lower bouncing than the old red clay. If true, that wouldn't favour Sam I don't think, since it would make her serve very easy to attack.

Huntress55
May 4th, 2012, 10:38 AM
Yeah going by what has been said it wouldnt seem to suit Sam. However its hard to tell until we actually see the matches of course. We dont know how low it bounces, Raonic in his tweets only said lower. Just how much that will take away Sams serve remains to be seen. Hopefully Sam can still make a good run.

stromatolite
May 4th, 2012, 10:57 AM
When the ball bounces low, I think it helps Sam more when it's coming off fast as well. Low and slow make it just too easy for others to latch onto her serve. I think she's got a good chance of going fairly deep, especially if she can keep hitting those dynamite backhands that she showed us last week.

SilverPersian
May 4th, 2012, 11:01 AM
She might also get a good draw, and not have to face the Williams sisters consecutively or Masha :bigcry:

stromatolite
May 4th, 2012, 11:25 AM
She might also get a good draw, and not have to face the Williams sisters consecutively or Masha :bigcry:

No such thing atm I'm afraid. The best she could hope for would be to be in Aga's quarter, and in the opposite half from Serena, beyond that it's tough whichever way you cut it. I'd like to see her face Vika and Petra at least once before they go to Paris, but I must admit it'd be better for Sam if that happened in Rome.

stromatolite
May 4th, 2012, 12:34 PM
Apparently Sam is in the same quarter as Vera:D, Kiri:shrug: and Petra:eek:. Could play the winner of Masha vs Serena in the SF if she gets that far. Vika and Aga in the same half again.

SilverPersian
May 4th, 2012, 12:40 PM
Apparently Sam is in the same quarter as Vera:D, Kiri:shrug: and Petra:eek:. Could play the winner of Masha vs Serena in the SF if she gets that far. Vika and Aga in the same half again.

Oh God. If there is another Aga/Vika match I will kill myself :bigcry:

Petra isn't too bad...I do think that Sam can beat her if she serves well - I'd prefer her to Vika or Masha. There's also a reasonable chance that Petra won't get to the quarters.

If MKiri beats Sam again...:bigcry:

stromatolite
May 4th, 2012, 12:55 PM
Oh God. If there is another Aga/Vika match I will kill myself :bigcry:

Petra isn't too bad...I do think that Sam can beat her if she serves well - I'd prefer her to Vika or Masha. There's also a reasonable chance that Petra won't get to the quarters.

If MKiri beats Sam again...:bigcry:

Sam's draw could be worse for sure. Petra has looked quite beatable for most of this year, especially since leaving Oz. Not sure whether being defending champ will help or hurt her. Weirdly this is the first time this year she will actually front up to defend a title, she didn't do so in either Brisbane or Paris. Sam seriously needs to kick Kiri's butt, and if it comes to it I think she will.

I'm really curious how Maria and Serena will play. In any case it's a good thing Sam will have to play one of them at most.

I agree with you about Vika/Aga. I'm hoping Aga will lose early this time.

stromatolite
May 4th, 2012, 01:28 PM
This is the closest thing Sam has had to a cakewalk in the early rounds since I can't remember when. R1 Martic, R2 winner of McHale/Arvidsson, R3 winner of Niculescu/qualifier/Cetkovska/Zvonareva, QF winner of (probably) Kirilenko/Kvitova (okay that last one isn't a cakewalk, but it could easily have been something like the winner of Azarenka/Kerber). Don't blow this Sam, please? :unsure:

Full draw:

http://www.madrid-open.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Femenino-Singles.pdf

Btw: just saw that Jarka is in the draw (in Aga's quarter, as usual the weakest:rolleyes:). Hopefully that means she's okay. Could be a good chance for her to do some damage :)

SilverPersian
May 4th, 2012, 01:42 PM
Awesome to see that Jarka's still playing. And she beat Wickmayer at IW so that first round match is winnable.

Sammy's draw is as good as we could have hoped for. She *should* break her no-QFs at PM events curse, although we'll have to wait and see how the surface is playing. I don't really see Kvitova losing to anyone in her section, given that MKiri's been in mediocre form, so she'll almost certainly be waiting for Sammy imo.

stromatolite
May 4th, 2012, 02:44 PM
With Kvitty you really never know. She should make it through her section, but she's had a few inexplicable losses already this year (below-par Masha at the AO, McHale in IW, Venus in just her second match back in Miami). I wouldn't bet against her, but wouldn't put my house on her reaching the QF either.

Siderophyre
May 4th, 2012, 02:45 PM
This is the closest thing Sam has had to a cakewalk in the early rounds since I can't remember when. R1 Martic, R2 winner of McHale/Arvidsson, R3 winner of Niculescu/qualifier/Cetkovska/Zvonareva, QF winner of (probably) Kirilenko/Kvitova (okay that last one isn't a cakewalk, but it could easily have been something like the winner of Azarenka/Kerber). Don't blow this Sam, please? :)

Totally agree. I was mildly optimistic when I saw this draw - it could have been so much worse. ;)

Huntress55
May 4th, 2012, 03:05 PM
The draw is okay. The early rounds are pretty good which I like to see. She plays better with momentum so that will help. Yeah Id rather Petra than a Vika or even Maria. Petra did make the semis last week but even so the meetings Sam has had with Petra has shown promising signs and they havent been on clay which def favours Sam. So SO yeah one match at a time as usual.

NetRusher
May 5th, 2012, 12:09 AM
Totally agree. I was mildly optimistic when I saw this draw - it could have been so much worse. ;)

Me, too, though I'm terrified I'll jinx. She should win the first three of her matches. Makiri unfortunately for her has been struggling with an injury she seems unwilling to rest to allow to heal. Her form is suspect. Then again Petra hasn't ever been steady, her level of play fluxuating dramatically in matches as much tournaments and over the season. Sam took too long to figure her out in the 3rd at the WTA Championships, but her comeback games were inspired. If she can play that well, she'll beat Petra.

SilverPersian
May 5th, 2012, 02:51 AM
Sammy second up on centre court - about 2:30-3:00pm Madrid time :cheer:

Grigorpova
May 5th, 2012, 03:18 AM
Will the early rounds be televised?

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 05:06 AM
^Coverage doesn't start until Monday.

Sam's also playing doubles, with Julia Goerges again. With Madrid and Rome being played in consecutive weeks I'm a bit surprised Sam has decided to play doubles here. It almost suggests that she wasn't expecting to go far in singles.

NetRusher
May 5th, 2012, 10:12 AM
Sam has actually had a really good year if you discount Australia, and she plays doubles regularly, which is beneficial for her singles. She's well fit enough to play both at least sometimes and has clearly indicated she'd like to play AMAP going into the Olympics. There isn't any reason to believe her deciding to play doubles at any given tournament means she doesn't believe she'll go far.

www.samstosurfans.com

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 10:26 AM
^I didn't mean to suggest that Sam would deliberately tank or anything, but if she reaches the final in both Madrid and Rome (entirely possible), that would mean playing 11 singles matches in 2 weeks. That's a lot, even for someone as fit as Sam, especially when you consider how physical Sam's matches can be. She hasn't actually played much doubles this year (6 matches at 4 tournaments), and I don't have the feeling that when she has it has really helped her singles. I find it odd that she would decide to play doubles at this tournament.

NetRusher
May 5th, 2012, 11:16 AM
Sam played 8 doubles tournaments last year totally, and this is her 5th entry this year already.

Grigorpova
May 5th, 2012, 02:33 PM
Maybe she's playing doubles to get more used to blue clay.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 02:48 PM
Sam seems to have her serve going now after a slightly shaky first game. A break would be nice now.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 03:07 PM
Whew! For the 3rd time in the match Sam has to stave off a BP. Thi is not how I envisaged this match :(

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 03:11 PM
... and for the 3rd time in the match she gets 15-30 in a receiving game only to lose the next 3 points :(

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 03:21 PM
Cheeky Sam! :inlove: After saving 3 BPs she takes her own first BP of the match, which just happened to also be SP!

Tense first set, I hope things will go a little smoother from here on in.

SilverPersian
May 5th, 2012, 03:22 PM
Well thank fuck for that :lol:

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 03:25 PM
Oh no, finally she doesn't save a BP. 0-1 :(

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 03:28 PM
Frustrating not knowing what is going on. Don't know whether Martic is playing well, Sam is playing badly, the conditions (quite cold and windy apparently) are playing havoc with her game, the blue clay sucks even worse than we thought, .....

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 03:32 PM
Coupla aces for a love hold.:hearts: Way to regroup Sam! Now break back, please?

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 03:41 PM
Love Sam for saving all these BPs, but I would love her even more if she stopped having to save them. 2-3, still a chance of taking it in 2 sets.

tenniscrazy84
May 5th, 2012, 03:45 PM
*2-4 Come on Sammy!!!!

tenniscrazy84
May 5th, 2012, 03:48 PM
3-4*

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 03:49 PM
Come on Sammy, get the break!

tenniscrazy84
May 5th, 2012, 03:51 PM
*3-5

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 03:53 PM
15-30. Come on Sam, force to serve out the set at least!

tenniscrazy84
May 5th, 2012, 03:55 PM
4-5*

Huntress55
May 5th, 2012, 03:55 PM
Ok Sam time to break!

Huntress55
May 5th, 2012, 03:58 PM
Damn it! Get it together Sam. I need sleep.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 03:59 PM
Shit! :(

tenniscrazy84
May 5th, 2012, 03:59 PM
4-6

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:00 PM
Martic seems to be really in the zone on serve atm. Sam needs to find a way to put her under a bit more pressure. Atm, she's the one under pressure on serve.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:10 PM
Sam hanging on bravely, but unless Martic's serve starts to falter Sam will have her work cut out to take this match.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:22 PM
Why do these scrubs (no offense to Martic, but she's ranked #51) ALWAYS have to play the match of their lives against Sam :(

Chim
May 5th, 2012, 04:26 PM
OMG...this is too much for me. Sammy..please get through this.:help:

Huntress55
May 5th, 2012, 04:26 PM
I know right. Id love to be watching this though to see if its the surface as well, or if Sam is just not playing her best or something.

Chim
May 5th, 2012, 04:27 PM
Come on Sam...lets get the break.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:29 PM
^Her serve stats are pretty good actually. I think Martic is just playing really well.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:29 PM
Scarce break opportunity goes begging :(

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:32 PM
Seems to be a slight momentum shift. Sam holding more comfortably now. Nice time for a break!

Chim
May 5th, 2012, 04:32 PM
^Her serve stats are pretty good actually. I think Martic is just playing really well.


Petra is a tall girl = disadvantage for Sam.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:33 PM
Petra is a tall girl = disadvantage for Sam.

Yeah, and if the bounce is low that makes it all the harder for Sam. The ball probably falls right into Petra's hitting zone a lot of the time.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:34 PM
30-30, come on Sammy, just 2 points!

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:35 PM
Mp!!!!!

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:36 PM
MP gone :(

This is going to kill me if Sam loses another match after having a MP

Chim
May 5th, 2012, 04:36 PM
Come on Sammy...second MP.

Chim
May 5th, 2012, 04:37 PM
Damn....

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:38 PM
Shit!!!! She had second serves on both those MPs too :(

Come on Sammy, watch out for the rebound!

Chim
May 5th, 2012, 04:39 PM
I can see problems are coming .....

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:40 PM
15-30. Come on Sammy, hang tough!

Chim
May 5th, 2012, 04:42 PM
Thank god...at least this might lead to tie break.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:42 PM
Good hold Sam! Now break!

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:45 PM
15-30, come on Sammy!!!!!

Chim
May 5th, 2012, 04:45 PM
Sam is trying really hard.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:46 PM
6-6, tiebreak. I can't stand it:unsure:

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:48 PM
Minibreak and minibreak back

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:48 PM
Sam with a minibreak up! 2 good serves Sam!

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:49 PM
Damnit! 2-2

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:50 PM
Whew, 3-2 Sam!

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:50 PM
4-2! Come on Sammy!

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:51 PM
4-3

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:52 PM
5-3, come on Sam!

Chim
May 5th, 2012, 04:52 PM
Yes...3 MP.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:52 PM
3 MPs!!!!! Sam, don't let this get away from you!

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:53 PM
6-4

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:53 PM
Jesus, that's 4 MPs she's had. Just one left. Come on Sam, ace!

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:54 PM
Yeeeesssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:55 PM
That was a lot harder than it probably should have been, but a win is a win!

Siderophyre
May 5th, 2012, 04:56 PM
You're fucking klling me Sammy!

Huntress55
May 5th, 2012, 04:57 PM
That was close.
At least she got a good workout on the blue clay :)

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 04:57 PM
You're fucking klling me Sammy!

:lol: This is not the kind of match you want to follow in live scores. Have no idea what happened, but considering they both had very good serve stats, I suspect Petra played a very good match.

That was close.
At least she got a good workout on the blue clay :)

That's one way of putting it :lol:

Chim
May 5th, 2012, 04:58 PM
Yay Sammy.:worship::worship: Finally I can get a break now. This is just....:wavey:

bertisonline
May 5th, 2012, 05:15 PM
That was a lot harder than it probably should have been, but a win is a win!

Exactly. There is the R1-Czink match model, there is the R1-Martic match model, I guess. B.

stromatolite
May 5th, 2012, 05:28 PM
Exactly. There is the R1-Czink match model, there is the R1-Martic match model, I guess. B.

This is the better model for sure ;)

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May 5th, 2012, 06:33 PM
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NetRusher
May 5th, 2012, 08:47 PM
Yah Sammy! She's playing doubles because of the Olympics. I'm surprised she isn't playing some mixed here and there, too. Anyway this match was like riding a rollercoaster blind!


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SilverPersian
May 6th, 2012, 02:29 AM
I was keeping my eye on this with my phone while trying to get to sleep. Needless to say, sleep did not come easy.

At least she's through :sobbing: And Martic is quite tall so...Let's hope she goes better against McHale, who is a lovely 5"7'.

SilverPersian
May 6th, 2012, 02:54 AM
Yah Sammy! She's playing doubles because of the Olympics. I'm surprised she isn't playing some mixed here and there, too. Anyway this match was like riding a rollercoaster blind!


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I don't think there are many opportunities to play mixed outside of the slams/Olympics, are there? Even major combined tournaments like Madrid, IW and Miami don't have mixed, AFAIK.

stromatolite
May 6th, 2012, 06:18 AM
I was keeping my eye on this with my phone while trying to get to sleep. Needless to say, sleep did not come easy.

At least she's through :sobbing: And Martic is quite tall so...Let's hope she goes better against McHale, who is a lovely 5"7'.

After the match Sam said she felt she played better as the match went on, and the stats seem to support that I think. She didn't face a single break point in the final set after facing 3 in the first set and 4 in the second. I definitely had the feeling that she was in the better position in the closing stages of the match, although her missing all those MPs was making me very nervous. In fairness though, all the ones she missed were on Martic's serve, she converted the first one she got on her own serve. Btw, did she hit an ace on that last point?

Despite yesterday's struggle, I'm quietly confident of her chances against McHale. As you said she doesn't have Martic's height advantage, and Sam has beaten her comfortably in their only previous meeting. She seems to be one of those streaky players who pull off a great win from time to time, like against Kvitova in IW. As long as Sam doesn't take her lightly (she won't) she should be fine.

Not sure what to expect after that. There is a lot of speculation as to how the courts are playing but not much hard fact. According to some the ball is keeping really low, but others are saying it's bouncing really high, so I don't know what to believe. Rafa has been very critical, so I guess it doesn't help players like him and Sam who use a lot of spin. In the photos that Molly posted yesterday I thought the surface looked horrible tbh, like a hard court with a thin layer of blue powder on top. Looks like a recipe for injuries if nothing else, so I hope Sam is careful. If it is playing like a HC that won't help Sam's chances against Petra should both get that far. Still, one match at a time.

SilverPersian
May 6th, 2012, 12:06 PM
My only concern about McHale is that she's quick and will get a lot of balls back. If Sammy's rhythm is being thrown off by the fast court speed/high altitutude then ErrorSam might make an appearance.

stromatolite
May 6th, 2012, 12:39 PM
On a real clay court I think Sam would thrash her, but you may be right that on this fake clay she has a chance. That said, I don't think a mainly defensive player like Christina can hurt Sam too much atm. She might take a set, but she doesn't have any big weapons to hurt Sam with, so I can't see her winning in straights. And if it goes to a 3rd set my money would be on Sam for sure.

stromatolite
May 7th, 2012, 05:56 AM
Sam goes on after 4 ATP matches, starting at 1pm. Looking at the names involved (Baghdatis, Youzhny, Falla, Chela, ...) I have the feeling that those matches have all got 3 long, grueling sets written all over them, so it could get very late, despite the optimistic "NB 16.30hrs" listing for the 4th match.

SilverPersian
May 7th, 2012, 06:13 AM
Sam goes on after 4 ATP matches, starting at 1pm. Looking at the names involved (Baghdatis, Youzhny, Falla, Chela, ...) I have the feeling that those matches have all got 3 long, grueling sets written all over them, so it could get very late, despite the optimistic "NB 16.30hrs" listing for the 4th match.

I'm not sure playing at nighttime will be good for Sammy. The low bounce will get even lower. Although I guess she'll have a bit more time to run around her BH...

stromatolite
May 7th, 2012, 07:31 AM
I'm not sure playing at nighttime will be good for Sammy. The low bounce will get even lower. Although I guess she'll have a bit more time to run around her BH...

Some of Sam's most memorable matches have been at night, so maybe it'll be a good thing. Hard to say how these weird courts will respond to nighttime conditions.

Huntress55
May 7th, 2012, 08:14 AM
Guess it'll be another late night. At least there will be a stream.

stromatolite
May 7th, 2012, 08:29 AM
^I hope so. If the ATP matches go on too long it is possible they could shift Sam's match to an outside court with no stream.

Huntress55
May 7th, 2012, 08:31 AM
^I hope so. If the ATP matches go on too long it is possible they could shift Sam's match to an outside court with no stream.

I didnt even think of that :rolleyes:
They better not. Or I might just throw my laptop across the room, I get angry quickly due to lack of sleep :lol:

stromatolite
May 7th, 2012, 08:35 AM
I didnt even think of that :rolleyes:
They better not. Or I might just throw my laptop across the room, I get angry quickly due to lack of sleep :lol:

:lol: I didn't mean to give you a sleepless night, or to prompt you to destroy your laptop. If the men can get through their matches in less than 2 hrs on average I don't think there will be a problem. Let's keep our fingers crossed :)

SilverPersian
May 7th, 2012, 08:42 AM
:bigcry:

I thought I was just going to have to wake up a bit early tomorrow morning, but yes, it looks like it will be another starts-at-3am match :sobbing:

Huntress55
May 7th, 2012, 09:00 AM
:lol: I didn't mean to give you a sleepless night, or to prompt you to destroy your laptop. If the men can get through their matches in less than 2 hrs on average I don't think there will be a problem. Let's keep our fingers crossed :)

I should be use to sleepless nights being a tennis fan. Yeah lets hope the men get through their matches quickly!

Grigorpova
May 7th, 2012, 10:51 AM
Will this be televised in Australia anywhere?

Huntress55
May 7th, 2012, 12:12 PM
Will this be televised in Australia anywhere?

I dont think so. Its on Eurosport on foxtel at 2.45am - 4.29am. Not very long at all and will most likely be a match from the main court so doubt Sam will fit into the schedule.

stromatolite
May 7th, 2012, 12:30 PM
The scheduling in Madrid is mystifying to say the least. Serena and Petra have now both finished their matches, and because they allowed 4-1/4 hours for those 2 matches to be played, that leaves court Manolo Santana unused for over an hour before the next scheduled match starts. Meanwhile, on court Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario, where for reasons known only to the organisers play only started at 1 pm, they have allowed just 3-1/2 hrs for the first 3 matches. The good news is that Michael Youzhny has polished off his opponent Javier Marti in just an hour and a quarter. If the next 3 matches go as quickly as that Sam might get on court some time tonight.

stromatolite
May 7th, 2012, 07:43 PM
There are no live streams of any matches tonight. :bigcry:

And Baghdatis and Garcia-Lopez are playing like they being paid by the hour. Will this match never end? (I know, for a fan of one of those guys it's terribly exciting, but if I have to follow Sam's match on livescores I just want them to get on court asap)

Huntress55
May 7th, 2012, 07:45 PM
There are no live streams of any matches tonight. :bigcry:

And yet my laptop had survived...
This really sucks. I mean I still want to follow the match but its just ridiculous. They're still streaming the match before Sams right now, cant they just leave the stream on :rolleyes:

stromatolite
May 7th, 2012, 07:47 PM
And yet my laptop had survived...
This really sucks. I mean I still want to follow the match but its just ridiculous. They're still streaming the match before Sams right now, cant they just leave the stream on :rolleyes:

What matches are they streaming?