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GogoGirl
Nov 13th, 2002, 01:34 PM
All the media attention going Kim's way - is a result of what I was trying to express the other day. My point was that more players will feel they have a legitimate chance to prevail ova a Williams sister after the year end championship. Kim deserves all the lauding - and not just because she beat a Sister - but more because she had a great fall season period - and the icing is the win.


http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/sports/4509328.htm



Posted on Wed, Nov. 13, 2002

Belgium Hails Clijsters' WTA Victory Over Serena
Reuters

BRUSSELS - Belgium lauded Kim Clijsters on Wednesday after the teen-ager upset world number one Serena Williams to clinch the prestigious WTA Tour Championship.

"Clijsters: the best in the world," said Het Laaste Nieuws.

"The victory of 2002," cheered La Dernieure Heure.

"Kim Clijsters wows," splashed Gazet van Antwerpen across its front page, next to a picture showing the Belgian punching the air after her Los Angeles triumph.

Clijsters, dogged by a shoulder injury for much of the season, needed only 85 minutes to defeat Williams 7-5 6-3 on Monday, in a victory that propelled her to number four in the world.

"Clijsters, 19, is now mature enough to go for her first Grand Slam victory and a well-considered attack on the top spot in world ranking," the Gazet Van Antwerpen said.

The Los Angeles victory gave her the edge over Belgium's other rising young star, Justine Henin, who she demolished 6-2 6-1 in the quarter-finals of the Los Angeles tournament, the papers said.

"Physically, but especially mentally, Kim Clijsters is a notch higher than Justine Henin," tennis commentator Philippe Lacourt wrote in La Derniere Heure.

Great things will now be expected of Clijsters.

The icing on the cake is still out there," added De Morgen. "It would be a shame if Clijsters, given her talents, did not win a grand slam tournament. Without a doubt that goal in particular should push her sporting heart next season."

"Winning a master's is nice, but it can not at all be compared to a grand slam tournament."


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The Crow
Nov 13th, 2002, 01:51 PM
Originally posted by GogoGirl

"Clijsters: the best in the world," said Het Laaste Nieuws.

"The victory of 2002," cheered La Dernieure Heure.

"Physically, but especially mentally, Kim Clijsters is a notch higher than Justine Henin," tennis commentator Philippe Lacourt wrote in La Derniere Heure.


Belgian media exagerating again :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, very good result for Kim, but the continuing lack of respect for Justine in Belgium (compared to the respect Kim gets) is getting on my nerve :mad:

gentenaire
Nov 13th, 2002, 02:01 PM
Het Laatste Nieuws is not exactly the classiest of newspapers, to put it mildly.

autoharp
Nov 13th, 2002, 02:03 PM
Yeah, you're right when you say about the respect difference between Kim and Justine, but, about the media, you know, Belgian medias are almost always negative about belgian teams, or players, so,we won't critic them when they are "overnice"

wongqks
Nov 13th, 2002, 03:03 PM
I don't blame the media from belgium, if one of the player iN HK or any other counrty who has not had much success in sport, score a victory over top 10 in any tournament, I am sure as hell that they will be exageerated as this, it is these snensational headlines which make anewspaper stand out

Hawk
Nov 13th, 2002, 03:55 PM
I'm just curious..at what point do you guys feel that the belgium media started to favour Kim? Or do you think it's always been like that?

The Crow
Nov 13th, 2002, 04:05 PM
Hawk, good question, but I don't known.

I'm living in the nothern part of Belgium (i.e., the part Kim's from), so maybe that's got something to do with it.

I guess it's mostly because Kim has a more appealing/open personality than Justine, but I'm not sure.

Anyway it's not as bad probably as I made it sound. But I fail to see why people always have to 'mention' Justine's so-called mental weakness. Especially in this masters: Justine lost to Kim quyite convincingly, nothing mental there. But still they make it sound that Justine loses matches because of the mental part, while Kim's always described as the big fighter (which does injustice ti her game imho).

Ok I'm done venting. As said, it's not as bad as I make it sound ;)

Wimanna
Nov 13th, 2002, 04:09 PM
I'm a Justine fan AND a Kim fan...and never saw the media started to favour Kim...an in mine opinion they don't favour her. On a Belgian tennisforum we had allready this kinda discussion. There was said Flemish papers favour Kim, Wallon papers Justine.
I know a Wallon girl that's a real Kim fan, and she said the wallon papers really favors Justine...so I think this is kind of an unending discussion. PLzzz Just enjoy you have TWO top-5 players out of a country that is just nothing if you compare it with the United States...and most of the people believe it's the capital of Brussels ;)
Great year Justine :)
Great year Kim :)

Nemesis
Nov 13th, 2002, 04:21 PM
Kim has done a great thing this monday, but they exagerate again and again and again. Kim's not the best in the world. She's the best indoor-player at the end of 2002. That's what they meant (I hope). And by this, Kim Gevaert (the fastest European woman and a Belgian) won't become Sportswoman of the year in Belgium. Belgians have a short time memory and have forgotten what Kim did in RG and Wimby.
Now Justine doesn't deserve the trophy either, but she has been more consistant throughout the year then Kim. JuJu's just unlucky that the end of the year is on one of her least favourite surfaces, so it looks like her year has been horrible. If the end of the year was on grass or on clay, JuJu would be much more respected .
BTW forgot to say this: Kim deserves to get the award more than JuJu because she won the Masters. But I think Gevaert's prestation was even a little bit better.

Anyway, I think that the Belgian media exagerrate about Kim and don't give that much attention to Justine when they are selecting in their memory: in the match JuJu-Kim at the Masters, they kept on talking about Kim winning their previous encounters. NO WORD of JuJu crushing Kim in their latest meeting in Rome. It was on clay, but it was the most recent and most valuable because they have both improved since the beginning of 2002. But they didn't think about that.
Other example is when they are overly enthousiastic about Kim winning Luxembourg (a Tier III) at the same moment that JuJu wins Linz (a Tier II). The win of JuJu was much more worth than Kim's since she defeated hot shot Alex Stevenson (who beat Jenny, Daniela & Anastasia) and the tournament was far more important than Kim's. And the fact that Kim dropped in the rankings while JuJu raised on that day, was also a shock to them. Kim won, but drops a few places. No mentioning about JuJu deserving to raise because she won a tournament.

Anyway, these are the most recent examples that made me sad about the Belgian underrating of JuJu.

BTW - The Crow, they just said JuJu had an off-day on the match against Kim in the Masters. She was tired (which is explainable when she has played a lot of tournaments in 2002 + won a title in Linz). The fact that they (according to you) bring up Justine's mental problem is again a fact that they want to use her bad things to make Clijsters look good. JuJu had no mental problem in that match. She hit with a lot of risk and it just wasn't her day. Her average serve speed was the 2nd best serving speed :eek: of the Masters (after Venus). That indicates she used a tactic that could have used against Kim, because it was in fact just Justine making the faults and Kim returning. Kim had played a consistant match against her, not her best one. She said it herself.
And the fact that Kim says herelf that she would love the fact that Justine is Belgium's n 1 because she deserves it, also says enough about her thought about the Belgian press.

Nemesis
Nov 13th, 2002, 04:35 PM
Oops - I did not mean to quote that :o :o

smally
Nov 13th, 2002, 05:04 PM
So much noise about this one win over Serena. I bet u if Kim doesn't follow it up, it'll be forgotten just like the four previous wins Justine, Meghan, Patty and Chanda had over her. And by the way, was there any spectacular change to those girls achievements tennis wise after their wins over the mighty Serena?

TSequoia01
Nov 13th, 2002, 05:43 PM
I think Kim will gain some confidence with this win over Serena. But the person who will gain the most from that particular match....you guessed it, Serena! :cool:

gopher
Nov 13th, 2002, 06:09 PM
to all the low-key Belgians up above:

you don' t realize what has been achieved and this is the beginning of more to come.

Be god damned more patriottic!!

Elke
Nov 13th, 2002, 06:24 PM
She deserves this attention and Justine would have deserved it too, if she had won...
Kim has also been critisised because she doesn't speak enough to the 'specialised' press (gossip:rolleyes:) and I remember a very nasty article about Kim and Lleyton in 'Dag Allemaal:rolleyes:' where they talk about Kim as a spoilt little brat because she didn't want to give an interview.

The funny thing is: now Lei is praised because he hides Kim from the press...

And btw, Justine never crushed Kim, certainly not in Rome.
And for their next meeting I hope (a very little bit) that Justine will win, because of this stupid discussion.;)

KaseyL
Nov 13th, 2002, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by Nemesis

And the fact that Kim says herelf that she would love the fact that Justine is Belgium's n 1 because she deserves it, also says enough about her thought about the Belgian press.

sorry, but I don't agree with you: it doesn't show what Kim thinks of the Belgian press, it just shows that Kim has sportsmanship.

Re the rest that's said in here: I think one must admit that Kim is better portrayed in the Belgian press, overall, though.
Imo that is most probably because of:
- Kim's personality, which is far more outgoing than Justine's
- Kim being the daughter of
- and of course her romance with Lleyton has something to do with it too

irma
Nov 13th, 2002, 06:53 PM
I agree that at least that from what I see on canvas they prefer Kimmy over Justine.
But I think this week Kimmy deserves all the praise:p

mboyle
Nov 13th, 2002, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by The Crow


Belgian media exagerating again :rolleyes:

Don't get me wrong, very good result for Kim, but the continuing lack of respect for Justine in Belgium (compared to the respect Kim gets) is getting on my nerve :mad:

I think the respect for Clijsters is deserved. It is only natural to compare your country's two top stars at something, and every word they said was true. If Justine was as good as Kim, she would not have such an enormous deficiet in head to head wins.

mboyle
Nov 13th, 2002, 07:18 PM
Originally posted by smally
So much noise about this one win over Serena. I bet u if Kim doesn't follow it up, it'll be forgotten just like the four previous wins Justine, Meghan, Patty and Chanda had over her. And by the way, was there any spectacular change to those girls achievements tennis wise after their wins over the mighty Serena?

Um, are you forgetting her win over Venus in LA? What about her other win over Venus in Hamburg? Kim is the only person this year to beat both Williams sisters in a single year, and the only person in history to win a title by beating BOTH sisters.

Hurley
Nov 13th, 2002, 07:22 PM
Crow, I'm a Justine fan myself...but as far as the "...especially mentally, Kim Clijsters is a notch higher than Justine Henin" quote, it's absolutely true. If anything, Kim is more than a notch higher in the mental aspect. :mad:

Justine has improved in this area, but she needs to improve even more if she wants to get into the Top 3 and win a major.

Serendy Willick
Nov 13th, 2002, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by mboyle


Um, are you forgetting her win over Venus in LA? What about her other win over Venus in Hamburg? Kim is the only person this year to beat both Williams sisters in a single year, and the only person in history to win a title by beating BOTH sisters.

Um, what does Venus have to do with this? Venus also had two wins over Kim including a straights sets win in Stanford, so its not like Kimmy dominated Venus the whole year or anything. BTW, Kim is only the second person to win at title while beating the sisters (since the retirement of Venus counts in the H2H, it counts) Sanchez-Vicario did it in Sydney in 98.

The Crow
Nov 13th, 2002, 09:27 PM
To gopher: give me a break! I stayed up all night to watch the final, so don't you accuse people when you don't know anything about them.

I stay with my perception that it's too much praise: Kim won a very important tourney, but it is only the fifth tournament of the year. Anyway is just my opinion, and apparently I'm in the minority here, so I'll drop it.

Hurley, you're right of course that Kim's way better in the mental department. I just think it's pretty lame of the Belgian press that it always has to point out that Justine is mentally weak (which I'm not even agreeing with), even if she isn't involved.