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Volcana
Oct 12th, 2001, 04:50 AM
It's been a while since she beat a top ten player. (Charleston) She's only done it twice since OZ.

So who's the unfortunate victim going to be?
Which top ten player will Martina next defeat?

"Power Player" (Loosely defined) Any top ten player not named Hingis.

moby
Oct 12th, 2001, 07:43 AM
it's going to be the next one she plays
*crosses fingers*

Becool
Oct 12th, 2001, 05:24 PM
Hmmmm the question is "Will she defeat a power player?"

Consistency
Oct 12th, 2001, 09:30 PM
LINDSAY <IMG SRC="smilies/cool.gif" border="0">


<font size=1>keeping fingers crossed</font> <IMG SRC="smilies/angel.gif" border="0">

[ October 12, 2001: Message edited by: Consistency ]

RMC
Oct 13th, 2001, 12:27 AM
I think it will be Jen Cap, if she ever gets a chance. Lindsay would surprise me.

ASV
Oct 13th, 2001, 01:08 AM
I really hope she beats Lindsay tomorrow...I won't be able to live with myseld having Jenn being #1 and Silvia being #13(?) in the Race to the Sanex.

Messenger
Dec 13th, 2002, 02:56 PM
Filderstadt October 2001
SF L Davenport(3) - M Hingis(1) 2-1

Sydney January 2002
SF M Hingis(2) - K Clijsters(3) 7-5 4-6 6-2

Australian Open January 2002
SF M Hingis(3) - M Seles(8) 4-6 6-1 6-4
F J Capriati(1) - M Hingis(3) 4-6 7-67 6-2

Pan Pacific February 2002
F M Hingis(1) - M Seles(3) 7-66 4-6 6-3

Scottsdale March 2002
SF S Williams(3) - M Hingis(2) 6-1 3-6 6-4

Indian Wells March 2002
SF M Hingis(2) - M Seles(4) 6-3 6-2

Key Biscayne March 2002
QF S Williams(8) - M Hingis(3) 6-4 6-0

Hamburg May 2002
SF V Williams(1) - M Hingis(3) 7-5 6-3

Montreal August 2002
QF J Dokic(3) - M Hingis(6) 6-4 6-3

US Open August 2002
4 M Seles(6) - M Hingis(9) 6-4 6-2

Volcana
Dec 13th, 2002, 04:16 PM
How interesting. The statement "...She's only done it twice since OZ." is still true. And this thread is a year old. The 'OZ' has now become OZ 2002 instead od OZ 2001. A good thread stays good I guess.

If Martina skips Asia, she could well go an entire year without beating a top tenplayer.

harloo
Dec 13th, 2002, 04:21 PM
I think Martina needs some time before she beats the top players again. She must improve, and the longer she stays out the harder it will be for her. The girls are getting better, so she needs to be in top condition.

DEETHELICK
Dec 13th, 2002, 04:29 PM
Martina really has to come back in optimum shape, as physically 100% and be able to move and anticipate at the maximum level.

Lets face it, Martina can give the ball a steady whack, but that game style is not her natural one.

She needs to 'feed' off the pace, rather than try to generate it and use her crafty combination of placement, angles and spins to defeat the power players.

I think she could still take out Hantuchova (which she did in Hamburg 02) and Monica. Even mini power babes like Dementieva, Dokic and Henin.

Lindsay, Williams x 2, Jen and even Kim have a much higher level of power tennis and Martina ultimately has to reach a level akin to theirs.

I think she can do it without changing her game style (except the serve!).

deftman
Dec 13th, 2002, 08:32 PM
How interesting. The statement "...She's only done it twice since OZ." is still true. And this thread is a year old. The 'OZ' has now become OZ 2002 instead od OZ 2001. A good thread stays good I guess.

Did U miss this ?


Sydney January 2002
SF M Hingis(2) - K Clijsters(3) 7-5 4-6 6-2

Australian Open January 2002
SF M Hingis(3) - M Seles(8) 4-6 6-1 6-4
F J Capriati(1) - M Hingis(3) 4-6 7-67 6-2

Pan Pacific February 2002
F M Hingis(1) - M Seles(3) 7-66 4-6 6-3

Scottsdale March 2002
SF S Williams(3) - M Hingis(2) 6-1 3-6 6-4

Indian Wells March 2002
SF M Hingis(2) - M Seles(4) 6-3 6-2


This silent brand of hatred is worse than what Tee Rexx's brand of humor IMO...

fhkung
Dec 13th, 2002, 08:35 PM
Originally posted by DEETHELICK
Martina really has to come back in optimum shape, as physically 100% and be able to move and anticipate at the maximum level.

Lets face it, Martina can give the ball a steady whack, but that game style is not her natural one.

She needs to 'feed' off the pace, rather than try to generate it and use her crafty combination of placement, angles and spins to defeat the power players.

I think she could still take out Hantuchova (which she did in Hamburg 02) and Monica. Even mini power babes like Dementieva, Dokic and Henin.

Lindsay, Williams x 2, Jen and even Kim have a much higher level of power tennis and Martina ultimately has to reach a level akin to theirs.

I think she can do it without changing her game style (except the serve!).
HELL YA........
i wanna see how much power Monica has next yr at 29.....;)

ChrisGermany
Dec 13th, 2002, 08:36 PM
Martina might beat Dokic, Henin or Seles according to me. Henin due to nerves, Dokic due to inconsistency and Seles due to court adjustment problems if the surface does not suit her as much as Hingis.

Regarding Jenn, the times she won against her were when Jenn didn´t know about her shots again. She learned that in 2001/2002. Now Martina won´t have a chance against Kim, Lindsay, Amelie, Jenn and the Williams.

Gowza
Dec 13th, 2002, 08:41 PM
i think henin or capriati maybe dokic and possibly even clijsters. henin and capriati were too up and down this year and dokic lost it from the us open onwards. i think she could beat clijsters iin a big match because hingis has all the experience for them and kim, although she is getting their with them, haSN'T quite got the experience. but i woould say one of the first 3 before she beat kim, it more depends on who she plays first.

Messenger
Dec 13th, 2002, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by deftman
Did U miss this ?



This silent brand of hatred is worse than what Tee Rexx's brand of humor IMO...

I updated the thread because I thought it would be interesting to reflect on the year's performance with the comments made by posters in 2001. I don't hate either Seles or Hingis, in fact I admire them.

Volcana
Dec 13th, 2002, 09:19 PM
deftman - Look carefully at the dates. The thread started in Oct 2001. Hence the comment, 'she's only done it twice since OZ' IS still true. She's beaten two top ten players 'since OZ'. Only now we're talking OZ 2002. I explained that in the post. In fact, YOU quoted that part of the post.

"The 'OZ' has now become OZ 2002 instead od OZ 2001."

I'm not sure where you're coming from here.

Volcana
Dec 13th, 2002, 09:19 PM
deftman - Look carefully at the dates. The thread started in Oct 2001. Hence the comment, she's only done it twice since OZ' IS still true. She's beaten two top ten players 'since OZ'. Only now we're talking OZ 2002. I explained that in the post. In fact, YOU quoted that part of the post.

"The 'OZ' has now become OZ 2002 instead od OZ 2001."

I'm not sure where you're coming from here.

Messenger
Dec 13th, 2002, 09:26 PM
Ah, I misread deftman's post and thought he was talking to me.

By the way, as Dee pointed out should we give Martina credit for defeating Hantuchova? She wasn't top 10 at the time, but I would say that she is currently of the calibre of players like Dokic.

Venus Forever
Dec 13th, 2002, 11:40 PM
I don't think she is ready for anyone in the top 7 right now, but I think she can beat Dokic and Hantuchova(inexperienced.)

tennisIlove09
Dec 13th, 2002, 11:57 PM
Hingis will not have success against the top players or power players until she gets a better serve

selesrules
Dec 13th, 2002, 11:59 PM
Hingis will never beat Monica again.

o0O0o
Dec 14th, 2002, 12:08 AM
Assuming that 1) She actually comes back and 2) She shows her traditionial early-year form she can beat any top player. Particularly Seles.

GrandSlammed
Dec 14th, 2002, 12:39 AM
Hingis will not have success against the top players or power players until she gets a better serve

You people STILL somehow think a better serve is going to change things for Hingis? wow.

Gowza
Dec 14th, 2002, 12:59 AM
GrandSlammed, i think the reason why most people still think a better serve will help hingis is beause she use to have a better serve or at least it was a bit faster. i remember when she use to consistently get it over the 100 mph mark. i think if she went back to her old serve then she would be fine. i think she has also stopped going to the net as much, it could be her serve but she is so good at the net why not mix it up every now and then.

tennisIlove09
Dec 14th, 2002, 01:15 AM
Originally posted by GrandSlammed
You people STILL somehow think a better serve is going to change things for Hingis? wow.

Watch the 2000 US Open again...Hingis is staying with Venus. the thing that hurts her now is her serve, IMO

LeonHart
Dec 14th, 2002, 02:43 AM
Once she has her speed back, she can definitly beat a top 10 or a power player. But speed/controlling the ball is her game.