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dsanders06
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:18 PM
Hingis high on Kvitova, not on Woz's coach
Ticker - Wednesday, December 21, 2011

Martina Hingis, who is now a coach at the Paris-based Patrick Mouratoglou academy, tells L’Equipe that Czech Petra Kvitova is the player who most appeals to her the most as she is "very solid, left-handed ... (Kvitova) is the only one I really like to watch. With others, it is monotonous. [Caroline Wozniacki] may moving better than the others, and she tries to go inside the court, but not often enough. The fact that she does not win Grand Slams is not only her problem, but also that of her coach." Wozniacki is coached by her father, Piotr, as well as the adidas Player Development staff, and she recently hired another coach, Ricardo Sanchez.

The 31-year-old Hingid added that she loves coaching and is trying to teach the young likes of Daria Gavrilova, Yulia Putintseva, Naomi Broadly and Sachia Vickery to keep moving forward.


http://www.tennis.com/articles/templates/news.aspx?articleid=15448&zoneid=25

Novichok
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:19 PM
Okay. :lol:

Sammo
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:22 PM
http://www.profilebrand.com/graphics/category/girly-pms/2700_license-to-bitch-.gif

Lord Choc Ice
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:24 PM
Haters gon' hate.

http://s017.radikal.ru/i428/1110/f0/fc23688d7459.gif

Holdsworth
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:24 PM
I said the same :worship: Only insane carotards don't want to see it

GoofyDuck
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:27 PM
Stating facts since the 90's :cool:

BikezAreForever!
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:28 PM
Hingis knows more about tennis than Caro fans. ;)

barmaid
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:28 PM
There is no denying Martina's assessment of Caro's game.....boring as hell:p She's pleasing to the eye:hearts: I personally don't think she's got a great personality but certainly is sugar-coated enough to be a "winner":worship: except she doesn't seem to improve after all the coaching and criticism thats been heaped upon her:rolleyes:....why can't this gal change her game:confused::help:

Barmaid:wavey:

Excelscior
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:28 PM
Whoops See Daisy From Her Idol!! :lol: :oh: :tape: :oh: :lol:

Break My Rapture
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:32 PM
She's right and what's funny is that a lot of Wozniphiles have claimed ballbashers are monotonous, when in reality Wozniacki is no different.

Apoleb
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:35 PM
Legend Bitch taking shots not only at Woz but at her father too. :happy:

Patrick345
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:36 PM
She is still mad that Wozniacki compared herself to Hingis. :lol:

GrandMartha
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:37 PM
nothing new but still worth reading :oh:

Novichok
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:38 PM
She is still mad that Wozniacki compared herself to Hingis. :lol:

Caro has "Legend" pressed. :lol:

Kworb
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:39 PM
This is like me playing FITD this year, always putting Ivanovic in the SF and F. False praise... how devious. I approve, miss Legend.

marineblue
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:41 PM
The coke is playing with her brain again :help:

Novichok
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:42 PM
:haha:

Apoleb
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:42 PM
Actually Hingis used to complement Woz and even once said she saw herself most in her. :vomits: :pukes:

But then she probably saw a few more matches, noticed how insulting this is to her, and swore giving Woz the bitchy treatment from now till she becomes "even Wozniacki."

Yorker
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:45 PM
The coke is playing with her brain again :help:



You could be on every drug possible and still realize what Martina said is true.

Nicolás89
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:45 PM
Way to put her out of context nid since dsanders made the thread anyway. Legend practically said the WHOLE TOUR is monotonous and anyway Legend says many things, a few months ago she said she sees at least a major in Caro´s future.

Excelscior
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:46 PM
Actually Hingis used to complement Woz and even once said she saw herself most in her. :vomits: :pukes:

But then she probably saw a few more matches, noticed how insulting this is to her, and swore giving Woz the bitchy treatment from now till she becomes "even Wozniacki."

I'm sure Martina saw the promise at one point, 2-3 years ago. But when her game stagnated, then actually got worse and more one dimensional, Hingis knew it was time to hitch a ride on a new band wagon (though Martina claims she had Kvitova in the finals, before Wimbledon actually started, and was aware of her before that).

marineblue
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:47 PM
You could be on every drug possible and still realize what Martina said is true.

No, I am realistic enough to see Martina as a Kvitty tard ;)

dsanders06
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:57 PM
Actually Hingis used to complement Woz and even once said she saw herself most in her. :vomits: :pukes:

But then she probably saw a few more matches, noticed how insulting this is to her, and swore giving Woz the bitchy treatment from now till she becomes "even Wozniacki."

:spit:

Way to put her out of context nid since dsanders made the thread anyway. Legend practically said the WHOLE TOUR is monotonous and anyway Legend says many things, a few months ago she said she sees at least a major in Caro´s future.

No she didn't. The last time she made some comments on Wozniacki was in the summer when she said words to the effect of "if Wozniacki wants to win a Slam, she'll have to change her game and play more aggressive".

Mynarco
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:58 PM
HBIC :inlove:

Excelscior
Dec 21st, 2011, 09:01 PM
Way to put her out of context nid since dsanders made the thread anyway. Legend practically said the WHOLE TOUR is monotonous and anyway Legend says many things, a few months ago she said she sees at least a major in Caro´s future.

No he didn't (at least this time; if ever). :) :devil: :)

Unless you read the original French article (and it says different); he copied the article exactly as it was posted on Tennis.com's website, and provided the link.

Sammo
Dec 21st, 2011, 09:03 PM
You could be on every drug possible and still realize what Martina said is true.

This :rolleyes: :lol:

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l4owu5bkPP1qaw14to1_500.gif

pradagirl
Dec 21st, 2011, 09:04 PM
There is a lot of truth to what she says. Caro's strenght is her defense not her offense. In order for Caro to make the breakthrough she will have to come forward more and mix more offense with her defense. If she does that I see no reason why she can't win a slam in the future.

Nicolás89
Dec 21st, 2011, 09:13 PM
No she didn't. The last time she made some comments on Wozniacki was in the summer when she said words to the effect of "if Wozniacki wants to win a Slam, she'll have to change her game and play more aggressive".

:wavey:

icItXqh47FY

Inventing quotes now?

Brad[le]y.
Dec 21st, 2011, 09:15 PM
Martina looks great there :hearts:

EDIT: did she say she lost in two Wimbledon finals? :lol:

Nicolás89
Dec 21st, 2011, 09:18 PM
No he didn't (at least this time; if ever). :) :devil: :)

Unless you read the original French article (and it says different); he copied the article exactly as it was posted on Tennis.com's website, and provided the link.

"very solid, left-handed ... (Kvitova) is the only one I really like to watch. With others, it is monotonous. [Caroline Wozniacki] may moving better than the others, and she tries to go inside the court, but not often enough. The fact that she does not win Grand Slams is not only her problem, but also that of her coach."

:shrug:

Yoncé
Dec 21st, 2011, 09:37 PM
Captain obvious to the rescue!

dsanders06
Dec 21st, 2011, 09:43 PM
:wavey:

icItXqh47FY

Inventing quotes now?

August 2011:

"If she wants to win a Grand Slam, she’s going to have to take charge more. She doesn't have one great weapon. You need that one little extra thing to overcome.”

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=19987541

When was that video? And it's quite a stretch to present what she says in that video as her saying Woz is guaranteed to win one.

:shrug:

Oh please, do you not think there's a clear inference when she says "everyone else is monotonous" and then IMMEDIATELY starts talking about Wozniacki? :haha:

But in any case, I already changed the title about an hour ago just because I anticipated Woztards like yourself being bitter at yet another respected former player criticising her and so looking for any holes to pick at, so I'm not quite sure why you're moaning.

ZODIAC
Dec 21st, 2011, 10:15 PM
what a snub and diss from her idol....anyway Martina is infamous for cattiness and keeping her eyes on the lines

Nicolás89
Dec 21st, 2011, 10:26 PM
August 2011:

"If she wants to win a Grand Slam, she’s going to have to take charge more. She doesn't have one great weapon. You need that one little extra thing to overcome.”

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=19987541

When was that video? And it's quite a stretch to present what she says in that video as her saying Woz is guaranteed to win one.



Oh please, do you not think there's a clear inference when she says "everyone else is monotonous" and then IMMEDIATELY starts talking about Wozniacki? :haha:

But in any case, I already changed the title about an hour ago just because I anticipated Woztards like yourself being bitter at yet another respected former player criticising her and so looking for any holes to pick at, so I'm not quite sure why you're moaning.

I never said Hingis thought Caro was guarenteed a slam, why are you lying? :lol: And it was during this Wimbledon. Also, you are wrong about me being bitter, I could never be bitter on anything Legend has to say.

Anyway we only see the quote, there's no question, they may have asked her specifically about the tour, Kvitova and Woznacki, so she gives the answer we just read.

And seriously quit the pretending, you changed the title because this quote "I don't like watching Wozniacki play, game is monotonous" never existed and your lying was too obvious. :lol:

LCS
Dec 21st, 2011, 10:30 PM
True. Step.

CloudAtlas
Dec 21st, 2011, 10:30 PM
I wasn't aware that just because Hingis thought something we are all supposed to agree with it? And judging by how much certain people have to say on Wozniacki you'd think they watched a lot of her matches , ipso facto , they find watching her far from monotonous.

Excelscior
Dec 21st, 2011, 10:36 PM
Oh OK. I get it.

The article (and the inference on Kvitova and our current #1) were accurate, but the title by the OP was a paraphrase.

Yeah. I kinda got that impression (considering the thread starter), but I wasn't looking for quotes on the title. I was more interested in the actual article (where I could make up my own mind).

But I guess if you're a big fan of the Great Dane (and not so much of the thread starter), I guess it makes sense?

OK. :shrug: :oh: :shrug:

TheDream
Dec 21st, 2011, 11:10 PM
Dsanders is one of the biggest lying embellishers on these forums so I knew he was lying right away. That didn't even sound like something Legend would say.

Ryan
Dec 21st, 2011, 11:11 PM
I think Martina's comments are fair. Everyone likes a different type of game - but I can recognize that Caroline's style is hardly "more exciting" than someone like Kvitova. I just enjoy it because its different from what most players are doing right now, but I also enjoy a bunch of other players.

Hingis isn't really insulting her either - its a candid assessment. If Woz is going to improve, she's not going to reinvent her entire game. She has to redirect from the baseline at the very least, take the ball earlier - even that little bit can make a difference. She also needs to ditch Piotr, but we all know that.

ZODIAC
Dec 21st, 2011, 11:12 PM
Kvitova...czech Hingis ...czech..

cowsonice
Dec 21st, 2011, 11:15 PM
:yawn: Hingis has praised Kvitova and snubbed Wozniacki earlier this year. Old news

Uranus
Dec 21st, 2011, 11:50 PM
Haters gon' hate.

http://s017.radikal.ru/i428/1110/f0/fc23688d7459.gif
http://www.australianopen.com/images/pics/misc/f_Hingis.jpg http://c.imdoc.fr/1/divers/martina-hingis/photo/7154971715/3711084d3e/martina-hingis-wimbledon-1997-img.jpg http://b.imdoc.fr/1/divers/martina-hingis/photo/7154971715/3711078bfc/martina-hingis-us-open-1997-img.jpg http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00382/Oz_1998_350x475_382493a.jpg http://img.epochtimes.com/i3/2003-2-11-206-martina-hingis-2d1999-2d1-2d30.jpg

...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GWJatwb-WlI/SunrAxM1q-I/AAAAAAAAK68/NoVtvRPmpgY/s400/wozniacki-doha-1.jpg
Oops.

Oh, and...
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Petra+Kvitova+Championships+Wimbledon+2011+vXUFVs_ FR9ml.jpg

ExtremespeedX
Dec 21st, 2011, 11:53 PM
^^^ :happy:

dsanders06
Dec 22nd, 2011, 12:07 AM
Dsanders is one of the biggest lying embellishers on these forums so I knew he was lying right away. That didn't even sound like something Legend would say.

Someone's still bitter about being embarrassed after calling Azarenka a "monster hitter of the ball" or something :lol:

Jimmie48
Dec 22nd, 2011, 12:30 AM
Oh look...another made up headline by dsanders06... that's new... :awww:

mac47
Dec 22nd, 2011, 01:17 AM
Caro has "Legend" pressed. :lol:

How, exactly, Novichok? What on earth could Hingis be worried about from Caro?

Novichok
Dec 22nd, 2011, 01:30 AM
How, exactly, Novichok? What on earth could Hingis be worried about from Caro?

My post was in reply to another poster who claimed that Hingis was upset with comparisons to Caro. It was not meant to be taken literally. All Hingis did was mention that she finds Wozniacki's game monotonous. Her opinion isn't worth more (or is more correct) than any other tennis fan/viewer (including fans of Caroline).

mac47
Dec 22nd, 2011, 01:37 AM
Why would you think that Hingis' opinion is worth no more than any other tennis fan? She has life experiences and knowledge of tennis that just "any tennis fan" does not. And it's because of her position in the history of the sport, and her experiences, that her opinion was deemed newsworthy by both French and English sports media.

Admit it: the real reason you say that her opinion is "worth no more than any other tennis fan's" is that her opinion is not flattering to Wozniacki.

atominside
Dec 22nd, 2011, 01:39 AM
he took time out of his life to actually make this up? :help:

Lord Choc Ice
Dec 22nd, 2011, 01:40 AM
http://www.australianopen.com/images/pics/misc/f_Hingis.jpg http://c.imdoc.fr/1/divers/martina-hingis/photo/7154971715/3711084d3e/martina-hingis-wimbledon-1997-img.jpg http://b.imdoc.fr/1/divers/martina-hingis/photo/7154971715/3711078bfc/martina-hingis-us-open-1997-img.jpg http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00382/Oz_1998_350x475_382493a.jpg http://img.epochtimes.com/i3/2003-2-11-206-martina-hingis-2d1999-2d1-2d30.jpg

...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GWJatwb-WlI/SunrAxM1q-I/AAAAAAAAK68/NoVtvRPmpgY/s400/wozniacki-doha-1.jpg
Oops.

Oh, and...
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Petra+Kvitova+Championships+Wimbledon+2011+vXUFVs_ FR9ml.jpg

I was being sarcastic with that post :p. I'm ITA with Martina ;).

ExtremespeedX
Dec 22nd, 2011, 01:47 AM
My post was in reply to another poster who claimed that Hingis was upset with comparisons to Caro. It was not meant to be taken literally. All Hingis did was mention that she finds Wozniacki's game monotonous. Her opinion isn't worth more (or is more correct) than any other tennis fan/viewer (including fans of Caroline).

I'll take an opinion of a 5 time slam winner than of a random Dullniackitard spamming TF...

Novichok
Dec 22nd, 2011, 01:56 AM
Why would you think that Hingis' opinion is worth no more than any other tennis fan? She has life experiences and knowledge of tennis that just "any tennis fan" does not. And it's because of her position in the history of the sport, and her experiences, that her opinion was deemed newsworthy by both French and English sports media.

Admit it: the real reason you say that her opinion is "worth no more than any other tennis fan's" is that her opinion is not flattering to Wozniacki.

In this case, her opinion is not fact. It's a subjective judgment about watching Wozniacki play. You're right that her opinion is worth more in the sense that it's valued more than "any tennis fan" by the media. However, that doesn't make the claim that "watching Wozniacki is monotonous" true and in discussions/debates her opinion shouldn't be held above others.

Novichok
Dec 22nd, 2011, 01:58 AM
I'll take an opinion of a 5 time slam winner than of a random Dullniackitard spamming TF...

And I would have no problem with that. Unless you can't differentiate between opinion and fact.:lol:

CloudAtlas
Dec 22nd, 2011, 02:02 AM
And I would have no problem with that. Unless you can't differentiate between opinion and fact.:lol:


Also, going by that logic , I guess they took Chris Evert's opinion seriously when she said she favoured Wozniacki to win Roland Garros this year, or that she was going to win a Slam very soon. After all , 18>5.

Smitten
Dec 22nd, 2011, 02:24 AM
Queengis has spoken.

It's insulting for those to still think Borz has any comparable parts to Legend. Legend has been endorsing Kvitova since the middle of her 2011 Wimbledon campaign. I think she liked the fact Kvitova cleaned Martha off the court. There's a little shadiness there as usual with Legend.

Excelscior
Dec 22nd, 2011, 02:31 AM
http://www.australianopen.com/images/pics/misc/f_Hingis.jpg http://c.imdoc.fr/1/divers/martina-hingis/photo/7154971715/3711084d3e/martina-hingis-wimbledon-1997-img.jpg http://b.imdoc.fr/1/divers/martina-hingis/photo/7154971715/3711078bfc/martina-hingis-us-open-1997-img.jpg http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00382/Oz_1998_350x475_382493a.jpg http://img.epochtimes.com/i3/2003-2-11-206-martina-hingis-2d1999-2d1-2d30.jpg

...
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_GWJatwb-WlI/SunrAxM1q-I/AAAAAAAAK68/NoVtvRPmpgY/s400/wozniacki-doha-1.jpg
Oops.

Oh, and...
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Petra+Kvitova+Championships+Wimbledon+2011+vXUFVs_ FR9ml.jpg

Very well put together thread! Lol

Excelscior
Dec 22nd, 2011, 02:38 AM
Why would you think that Hingis' opinion is worth no more than any other tennis fan? She has life experiences and knowledge of tennis that just "any tennis fan" does not. And it's because of her position in the history of the sport, and her experiences, that her opinion was deemed newsworthy by both French and English sports media.

Admit it: the real reason you say that her opinion is "worth no more than any other tennis fan's" is that her opinion is not flattering to Wozniacki.

In fairness to Novichok (Lord Help/Don't strike me for Defending this Man/Woman), just because another player has an opinion, it doesn't always make it the final say.

It's kind of like when players make predictions for matches, about other players and the overall season, and despite their experience/closeness to the game, they're as wrong as everyone else (fans and writers). Lol. It happens more often than we realize or like to admit. Trust me. They're no better, usually. Lol

But what I do hold from them, are things like their rating criteria, experiences and reasons for liking or not liking a particular player. I also appreciate their insider information/insight and behind the scenes descriptions of the sport, it's nuances and on court reactions and situational thought processes.

So though both you and Martina are right in this instance; it's still Martina's opinion, unless she gave a more detailed reason for what she said.

And Yes. In this case she did give a good enough reason/criteria (Wozniaki's lack of aggression, weakness in shotmaking, etc.), in predicting her not winning a major, based off of the length of the article (it wasn't that long).

Now whether or not Wozniaki wins a major based off of that analysis, is another story, and something of another matter (though we know many feel she won't). We'll see?

Novichok
Dec 22nd, 2011, 02:44 AM
In fairness to Novichok (Lord Help/Don't strike for Defending this Man/Woman), just because another player has an opinion, it doesn't always make it the final say.

:speakles:

mauresmofan
Dec 22nd, 2011, 02:51 AM
I don't particularly like madmoiselle Hingis but she's right - someone like Kvitova comes along once in a blue moon. So much talent, variety and skill - we should appreciate her cause god knows how little the others of her generation bring to the table.

Excelscior
Dec 22nd, 2011, 03:01 AM
:speakles:

Oh.

I see you feeling/digging the qualified love ha? :) :devil: :)

Novichok
Dec 22nd, 2011, 03:02 AM
Oh.

I see you feeling/digging the qualified love ha? :) :devil: :)

Of course. :inlove:

ptkten
Dec 22nd, 2011, 03:28 AM
Martina was my favorite player in the late 90s/early 00s but I don't always agree with her assessments.

Martina was blown off the court by the current power players. Caroline handles them much better. Martina like many of my favorites has an ego that can get in the way of judgment.

Steven.
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:03 AM
Martina was my favorite player in the late 90s/early 00s but I don't always agree with her assessments.

Martina was blown off the court by the current power players. Caroline handles them much better. Martina like many of my favorites has an ego that can get in the way of judgment.

lol cause Caro had to deal with peak Venus, Davenport, Serena etc.

Holdsworth
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:10 AM
Martina was blown off the court by the current power players. Caroline handles them much better.
:eek: I beg your pardon, but Woz could beat only Sciavone and JJ from top-10 this year.. What power players are you talking about ??

WhatTheDeuce
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:13 AM
Thanks for the flashback, Marti. :inlove:

Mistress of Evil
Dec 22nd, 2011, 05:27 AM
Legend has spoken, all peasants should deal with it and despair! :bowdown:

starin
Dec 22nd, 2011, 05:50 AM
That's weird considering that she basically played the same way as Wozniacki

Steven.
Dec 22nd, 2011, 06:07 AM
That's weird considering that she basically played the same way as Wozniacki

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lu7u4evK5w1qmk24so3_500.gif

bandabou
Dec 22nd, 2011, 07:49 AM
Of course Petra has more GANE than Woz...this is evident with their play in big matches. Woz has a reactive game, Petra has a game that she can IMPOSE on opponents.

And it's a con-sensus that Woz with her current game ain't gonna win a major, sooo...:shrug:

Brad[le]y.
Dec 22nd, 2011, 08:29 AM
That's weird considering that she basically played the same way as Wozniacki

Not really, Martina was a shot maker. She liked taking control of rallies despite her lack of power. She also had spectacular volleys. The only part of the game where Caro probably has an advantage is the serve, which is pretty weak still.

améliemomo
Dec 22nd, 2011, 08:30 AM
I don't particularly like madmoiselle Hingis but she's right - someone like Kvitova comes along once in a blue moon. So much talent, variety and skill - we should appreciate her cause god knows how little the others of her generation bring to the table.

This.

JamieOwen3
Dec 22nd, 2011, 08:45 AM
Martina i will always love you, you legendary bitch :oh:

And SAME GAME? The flying f*ck??!! Martina could everything on that tennis court EVERYTHING!!

CWTennis
Dec 22nd, 2011, 08:54 AM
:yawn:

http://s016.radikal.ru/i334/1112/23/f208c0cd427a.gif

Martian Jeza
Dec 22nd, 2011, 09:01 AM
Been saying that since months : go and take some lessons from Martina instead of wanting being friend with everyone, Caroline Wozniacki ! The fact is that Caroline Wozniacki stays way too much in her confort zone works on my nerves way too much...

Piotr should go and teach the guys of Odense to play soccer ( football ) instead of thinking he's the next big tennis coach...

bobito
Dec 22nd, 2011, 09:11 AM
Martina was blown off the court by the current power players. Caroline handles them much better.

Hingis 6-7 Serena
Wozniacki 0-3 Serena

Hingis 11-10 Venus
Wozniacki 0-4 Venus

Hingis 4-5 Clijsters
Wozniacki 0-2 Clijsters

:bs:

All Hingis did was mention that she finds Wozniacki's game monotonous. Her opinion isn't worth more (or is more correct) than any other tennis fan/viewer (including fans of Caroline).

A fair point. Watching Wozniacki, it seems, is not to Martina's taste but it obviously is to Novichok's. He's every bit entitled to his preference as she is. Having said that, Martina Hingis has one of the shrewdest tennis brains in the game's history so she no doubt sees a heck of a lot more than even most other ex pros, let alone the average fan. I expect, and would hope, that most players would be flattered to learn that she enjoys watching them play.

evana
Dec 22nd, 2011, 12:01 PM
Martina was my favorite player in the late 90s/early 00s but I don't always agree with her assessments.

Martina was blown off the court by the current power players. Caroline handles them much better. Martina like many of my favorites has an ego that can get in the way of judgment.

:help:

Wozniacki was blown off the court by Kvitova 62 60 last year at Wimbledon, this year got overpowered even by Cibulkova. Not to mention her losses to the likes of Lisicki or Rezai. Ballbashers or any sort of power hitters are still bad match-ups for Wozniacki, especially on fast surfaces. If they manage to keep their ues low, Wozniacki is not able to handle them. Hingis has multiple wins over Serena and Venus. Caro has 0. :wavey:

doomsday
Dec 22nd, 2011, 12:20 PM
lol cause Caro had to deal with peak Venus, Davenport, Serena etc.

:eek: I beg your pardon, but Woz could beat only Sciavone and JJ from top-10 this year.. What power players are you talking about ??

Hingis 6-7 Serena
Wozniacki 0-3 Serena

Hingis 11-10 Venus
Wozniacki 0-4 Venus

Hingis 4-5 Clijsters
Wozniacki 0-2 Clijsters

:bs:


A fair point. Watching Wozniacki, it seems, is not to Martina's taste but it obviously is to Novichok's. He's every bit entitled to his preference as she is. Having said that, Martina Hingis has one of the shrewdest tennis brains in the game's history so she no doubt sees a heck of a lot more than even most other ex pros, let alone the average fan. I expect, and would hope, that most players would be flattered to learn that she enjoys watching them play.

:help:

Wozniacki was blown off the court by Kvitova 62 60 last year at Wimbledon, this year got overpowered even by Cibulkova. Not to mention her losses to the likes of Lisicki or Rezai. Ballbashers or any sort of power hitters are still bad match-ups for Wozniacki, especially on fast surfaces. If they manage to keep their ues low, Wozniacki is not able to handle them. Hingis has multiple wins over Serena and Venus. Caro has 0. :wavey:

You all got it wrong cause Martina was indeed overpowered back in 2006/2007 but of course it wasn't peak Martina but still she couldn't handle women's power back in 2007, I think Azarenka destroyed her in US Open :help: She had a lot of terrible losses against Peng, Mirza etc...

evana
Dec 22nd, 2011, 12:34 PM
You all got it wrong cause Martina was indeed overpowered back in 2006/2007 but of course it wasn't peak Martina but still she couldn't handle women's power back in 2007, I think Azarenka destroyed her in US Open :help: She had a lot of terrible losses against Peng, Mirza etc...

so??? it still doesnt change the fact that at her peak Hingis had no problems with handling power and beating top players. Wozniacki is yet to score a single win over Serena, Venus and Clijsters.

doomsday
Dec 22nd, 2011, 12:41 PM
so??? it still doesnt change the fact that at her peak Hingis had no problems with handling power and beating top players. Wozniacki is yet to score a single win over Serena, Venus and Clijsters.

:lol: I wasn't defending Wozniacki here, definitely not. Just pointing out that what ptkten said was not totally wrong. Hingis suffered from terrible losses in 2007 and was really hopeless sometimes.

Apoleb
Dec 22nd, 2011, 12:48 PM
Queengis has spoken.

It's insulting for those to still think Borz has any comparable parts to Legend. Legend has been endorsing Kvitova since the middle of her 2011 Wimbledon campaign. I think she liked the fact Kvitova cleaned Martha off the court. There's a little shadiness there as usual with Legend.

I would die if we ever had something similar to a "even Sharapova". Martina would suddenly become my third all time favorite.

And let's face it, it's begging to be said.

Mistress of Evil
Dec 22nd, 2011, 12:54 PM
I would die if we ever had something similar to a "even Sharapova". Martina would suddenly become my third all time favorite.

And let's face it, it's begging to be said.

Beating a dead horse, really!?! :speakles: Such an evil, mean bint's mentality, Legend would never fall that low, never! :o

Renalicious
Dec 22nd, 2011, 01:27 PM
Didn't Hingis say Caroline was like one of her favorite players not too long ago? They did that Exo in Copenhagen and were both very lovey lovey to each other...

Emina.
Dec 22nd, 2011, 01:43 PM
Things can change rapidly within the WTA...

backhandsmash
Dec 22nd, 2011, 02:24 PM
Come on, dsanders, put her in your sig. You know you want to. ;)

Setsuna.
Dec 22nd, 2011, 02:58 PM
What a legend.

Brad[le]y.
Dec 22nd, 2011, 03:06 PM
Legend keeping people pressed 4 years after retirement :worship:

Szavay #1
Dec 22nd, 2011, 03:07 PM
marti :hearts: :hug: :worship:

Sammo
Dec 22nd, 2011, 03:09 PM
That's weird considering that she basically played the same way as Wozniacki

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-EBAIX4kHkvM/TVYOdbriSZI/AAAAAAAAAC4/lDG5kLZmAZI/s1600/bitch-please-obama.jpg

Bonfire
Dec 22nd, 2011, 03:38 PM
:yawn:

http://s016.radikal.ru/i334/1112/23/f208c0cd427a.gif

This!
I admit I was a little perturbed when I read Hingis's other comments on Caroline a couple months back but with these I'm just like "whatever, she's not pro-Caro anymore...she can join the very large club then I guess":lol:

LoveFifteen
Dec 22nd, 2011, 03:42 PM
:sobbing:

Legend and I are both bored to tears by the current WTA. :sad:

When the Williams and Kim retire, I might not even watch it any more. Thank God for the ATP. :hearts:

Brad[le]y.
Dec 22nd, 2011, 03:44 PM
I re-read the article. She's definitely not singling out Caro here at all. She says she likes watching Petra play and then states that everyone else is monotonous, not just Caro.

backhandsmash
Dec 22nd, 2011, 03:50 PM
I re-read the article. She's definitely not singling out Caro here at all. She says she likes watching Petra play and then states that everyone else is monotonous, not just Caro.

omg could this mean ws and maria as well

Bonfire
Dec 22nd, 2011, 03:51 PM
I re-read the article. She's definitely not singling out Caro here at all. She says she likes watching Petra play and then states that everyone else is monotonous, not just Caro.

she been hit by the Petra bug!;)

DefyingGravity
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:04 PM
This thread is fascinating for two reasons:

1) Whenever a legend has said that Wozniacki should improve her game, her biggest fans have been so adamantly trying to say why they're wrong.

- They have a point. This is why we shouldn't put too much stock in what they say: http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=410550 and then later on she said (you can find the headline on Google from the India Times) that she needs to step up in Australia...and then that Wimbledon interview.

- Why wouldn't someone who's been there and played and been so successful like the Martinas be discredited by any of us. None of US (with the exception of a few) have been professional tennis players, so our opinion on these players is based on our amateur/semi-pro skills and the biased nature of being fans.

2) Why wouldn't Kvitova be impressive?

- Her game is explosive yet controlled. She hits an amazing ball, best since Lindsay retired (though she reminds me more of Mary Pierce, still not a good fit either). She comes to net, she hits a pretty decent slice, she goes for it when she's down. Her game is exciting.

- She's won Wimbledon, the Year End Championships, and made the 4R of the French and quarters of the Australian. That's two big titles on relatively fast surfaces, and she's made the second week of both of the slow-court majors. While her American hard court season was dismal, she won Madrid, Paris Indoor, Brisbane in addition, reached the finals of Eastbourne, and led her country to a Fed Cup title playing throughout the entire year. Didn't she also jump from just outside the top 30 to #2 all this year? That's impressive as well. She beat Clijsters, Li, Sharapova, Azarenka, Stosur x2, Zvonareva x2, Radwanska, and Wozniacki. Short of having Serena around all year, that's the best collection of wins year round that one could get. The Australian Open champion, the U.S. Open Champion, the French Open Champion, the Year End #1, the Wimbledon finalist.

dsanders06
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:06 PM
omg could this mean ws and maria as well .

Except she doesn't mention them, she singles out Wozniacki after saying she finds the rest monotonous. And it's particularly newsworthy for precisely the reasons others have said (that Hingis used to publicly praise her, and that some people lazily liken Woz's game to hers).

Nice to see Woztards living up to form by trying to pick holes on semantics to try and distract from the fact yet another respected commentator/ex-pro is criticising her :lol:

Kairi
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:08 PM
Legend has spoken! :haha:

Matt01
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:16 PM
:eek: I beg your pardon, but Woz could beat only Sciavone and JJ from top-10 this year.. What power players are you talking about ??


How about we start with her two wins over Pova in a Slam and in a Premier Mandatory? Or her wins over Kvitova?


Hingis 6-7 Serena
Wozniacki 0-3 Serena

Hingis 11-10 Venus
Wozniacki 0-4 Venus

Hingis 4-5 Clijsters
Wozniacki 0-2 Clijsters

:bs:




Sorry but your stats are bull. Clijsters is not really a power player and Venus has barely played any matches on the tour since Woz got into the Top 5.

Matt01
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:19 PM
I re-read the article. She's definitely not singling out Caro here at all. She says she likes watching Petra play and then states that everyone else is monotonous, not just Caro.


Obvioulsy dsanders just trying to sir up sh*t with this repeated desperate attempt to bash Wozniacki. :yawn: :zzz:

dsanders06
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:20 PM
How about we start with her two wins over Pova in a Slam and in a Premier Mandatory? Or her wins over Kvitova?

Martina beat a Maria in much better form even more comprehensively than Woz in 2006, so it's still laughable to claim Woz handles power players better than Maria :lol:

I won't even dignify your continued bragging of Woz's wins over Kvitova when she was the world #60 as relevant :spit:

Brad[le]y.
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:22 PM
Venus-Wozniacki H2H should be taken with a grain of salt. IIRC their last match was 2008 Miami when Caro was 17 and barely into the top 50.

jrm
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:26 PM
And she said something we didn't know?

backhandsmash
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:26 PM
Except she doesn't mention them, she singles out Wozniacki after saying she finds the rest monotonous. And it's particularly newsworthy for precisely the reasons others have said (that Hingis used to publicly praise her, and that some people lazily liken Woz's game to hers).

Nice to see Woztards living up to form by trying to pick holes on semantics to try and distract from the fact yet another respected commentator/ex-pro is criticising her :lol:

From one Woztard to another...

Matt01
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:33 PM
I won't even dignify your continued bragging of Woz's wins over Kvitova when she was the world #60 as relevant :spit:


So you think that Woz' wins over Kvitova are uselss but her losses to Venus when she was outside of the Top 50 herself are relevant?
And Kvitova was outside of the Top 60 only once in her 3 losses to Woz. Must be hard for you to accept that H2H :hug:

Nicolás89
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:35 PM
Except she doesn't mention them, she singles out Wozniacki after saying she finds the rest monotonous. And it's particularly newsworthy for precisely the reasons others have said (that Hingis used to publicly praise her, and that some people lazily liken Woz's game to hers).

Nice to see Woztards living up to form by trying to pick holes on semantics to try and distract from the fact yet another respected commentator/ex-pro is criticising her :lol:

:spit: If calling you out for making false quotes and missleading thread titles can be called "picking holes on semantics" then I guess I agree. :haha:

VishaalMaria
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:38 PM
Venus-Wozniacki H2H should be taken with a grain of salt. IIRC their last match was 2008 Miami when Caro was 17 and barely into the top 50.

Caroline has definitely improved her game since that time.

bobito
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:45 PM
Venus-Wozniacki H2H should be taken with a grain of salt. IIRC their last match was 2008 Miami when Caro was 17 and barely into the top 50.

Maybe so but that doesn't alter the fact that the claim that Wozniacki plays power players better than Hingis did is utter nonsense. Hingis had a 21-22 record against these three players. Wozniacki hasn't been able to win a single match against them, despite playing two of them when she was ranked #1.

Matt01
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:48 PM
Maybe so but that doesn't alter the fact that the claim that Wozniacki plays power players better than Hingis did is utter nonsense. Hingis had a 21-22 record against these three players. Wozniacki hasn't been able to win a single match against them, despite playing two of them when she was ranked #1.


How about we compare Woz with the power players of her era?

pav
Dec 22nd, 2011, 05:02 PM
:sobbing:

Legend and I are both bored to tears by the current WTA. :sad:

When the Williams and Kim retire, I might not even watch it any more. Thank God for the ATP. :hearts:
When those three retire, it will only add to the interest,and stuff the boring ATP.
This thing with Hingis is clearly linked to forehead size rivalry, Chucky thought she had it sewn up,but can't take a challenger on the scene.

Bonfire
Dec 22nd, 2011, 05:03 PM
How about we compare Woz with the power players of her era?

exactly!
comparing Woz to three players who are multi-slam champions playing their twilight years and due to injuries and other circumstances...only playing a small handful of events in the past couple of seasons is hardly a good measuring stick to use. Their peaks we're more in Hingis's time and they played each other tournament after tournament. Caro has only played Kim and Serena once and hasn't played Venus at all since becoming #1.
Why not pull stats on Caro vs. Petra, Vika, Petkovic, etc. instead
oh right, cuz it doesn't make the argument look as anti-caro as you want it too maybe.

Steven.
Dec 22nd, 2011, 05:13 PM
Nah cause the players of this generation, on average, is far below that of Serena/Venus/Davenport etc. It's a shame that quite a few of them will become multiple slam champions if only due to the lack of game in comparison to the previously mentioned people.

and besides, why are you Caro fans making yourselves a victim again? Wasn't it a Caro fan who brought up that Hingis supposedly gets 'blown off the court' by elite power tennis players?

So typical.

Viktymise
Dec 22nd, 2011, 05:15 PM
I'm all for Failniacki bashing, but Hingis is such a bitter cow. All she ever does in interviews these days is say something scathing to keep herself relevant.

Bonfire
Dec 22nd, 2011, 05:18 PM
Nah cause the players of this generation, on average, is far below that of Serena/Venus/Davenport etc. It's a shame that quite a few of them will become multiple slam champions if only due to the lack of game in comparison to the previously mentioned people.

and besides, why are you Caro fans making yourselves a victim again? Wasn't it a Caro fan who brought up that Hingis supposedly gets 'blown off the court' by elite power tennis players?

So typical.

Who's playing a victim here? I'm not. What are you talking about?

Smitten
Dec 22nd, 2011, 05:45 PM
I'm all for Failniacki bashing, but Hingis is such a bitter cow. All she ever does in interviews these days is say something scathing to keep herself relevant.

The truth you mean? Stay pressed.

Stonerpova
Dec 22nd, 2011, 05:55 PM
Hingis is now bordering on obnoxious. And I don't even like Wozniacki.

bobito
Dec 22nd, 2011, 06:04 PM
How about we compare Woz with the power players of her era?

I am comparing their records against players that they have both played against. Not unreasonable.

The only other power player that, as far as I know, they have both played is Sharapova:

Hingis 1-2 Sharapova
Wozniacki 2-3 Sharapova

I don't need to tell you though that Sharapova 2006-7 was a rather better player than she is now and this was hardly peak Hingis.

Hingis has a career 17-17 record against the Williams sisters and beat both of them at the 2001 Australian Open. Once again, to claim that Wozniacki plays power players better than Hingis did is nonsense.

Brad[le]y.
Dec 22nd, 2011, 06:39 PM
Hingis dealt with 'power' players much better than Caro does

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Martina, while lacking power, tried to take control of the rallies, she was much more difficult to overpower.

mac47
Dec 22nd, 2011, 07:07 PM
How about we start with her two wins over Pova in a Slam and in a Premier Mandatory? Or her wins over Kvitova?.

Caro? Wins over Kvitova in 2011? :confused:

Matt01
Dec 22nd, 2011, 07:10 PM
I am comparing their records against players that they have both played against. Not unreasonable.

The only other power player that, as far as I know, they have both played is Sharapova:

Hingis 1-2 Sharapova
Wozniacki 2-3 Sharapova

I don't need to tell you though that Sharapova 2006-7 was a rather better player than she is now and this was hardly peak Hingis.

Hingis has a career 17-17 record against the Williams sisters and beat both of them at the 2001 Australian Open. Once again, to claim that Wozniacki plays power players better than Hingis did is nonsense.


I think we first need to make a definition of what a "power player" is because the WS, Sharapova and Kim (lol...) are not the only power players on the tour...

Matt01
Dec 22nd, 2011, 07:12 PM
Caro? Wins over Kvitova in 2011? :confused:


Where did I say anything about 2011? :confused:
But if we include Caro's losses from 2008 and 2009 against the "power players" then it's only fair to include her win over Kvitova in 2010, no? :shrug:

mac47
Dec 22nd, 2011, 07:27 PM
Where did I say anything about 2011? :confused:

You were replying directly to Holdsworth, who said:


I beg your pardon, but Woz could beat only Sciavone and JJ from top-10 this year

So you admit that, in fact, you really do have to go back to 2010 to find wins over the other 7 players from 2011's YE top 10 besides JJ and Schiavone? How embarrassing!

Matt01
Dec 22nd, 2011, 07:29 PM
You were replying directly to Holdsworth, who said:



So you admit that, in fact, you really do have to go back to 2010 to find wins over the other 7 players from 2011's YE top 10 besides JJ and Schiavone? How embarrassing!


IW 2011: 6:1, 6:2. THAT is embarassing.

LoveFifteen
Dec 22nd, 2011, 07:57 PM
Hingis didn't say a word about Wozniacki. This thread is such a fraud.

backhandsmash
Dec 22nd, 2011, 08:01 PM
Hingis didn't say a word about Wozniacki. This thread is such a fraud.

Seems like it indeed. But how to confirm?

madmax
Dec 22nd, 2011, 08:04 PM
How about we start with her two wins over Pova in a Slam and in a Premier Mandatory? Or her wins over Kvitova?


so she beat Maria when she was still struggling big time with her game and confidence and was out of TOP 10. Where's the glory in that? Or are you saying that Pova played her peak tennis and was still beaten into submission by a mighty Wozniacki?:lol:

backhandsmash
Dec 22nd, 2011, 08:10 PM
so she beat Maria when she was still struggling big time with her game and confidence and was out of TOP 10. Where's the glory in that? Or are you saying that Pova played her peak tennis and was still beaten into submission by a mighty Wozniacki?:lol:

It also works the other way, you know.

Steven.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 04:04 AM
so she beat Maria when she was still struggling big time with her game and confidence and was out of TOP 10. Where's the glory in that? Or are you saying that Pova played her peak tennis and was still beaten into submission by a mighty Wozniacki?:lol:

IKR, these Woz fans...

First they try to say, 'unlike Caro' Hingis can't handle power players when she actually did very well against them, playing peak Serena, Venus and Davenport, and when proven wrong they try to make it as if beating Pova during the worst patch of her career, and beating Kvitova in 2010 is the same thing.

They're so desperate in trying to make Caro seem like the better player than Hingis.

Ellen Dawson
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:16 AM
Smart girl, that Hingie. ;)

ranfurly
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:33 AM
The Legend has spoken,

No one should be questioning the second coming of Jesus Christ. No One.

All bow down to Legend.

Sombrerero loco
Dec 23rd, 2011, 12:19 PM
martina you are so spice girls sometimes :oh:

Martian Jeza
Dec 23rd, 2011, 02:51 PM
The problem with deluded Wozniacki fans : they can't accept that Kvitova made a much better 2011 season than Caroline ! From April 'till the end of the 2011 season she was horrible ! She didn't make a GS final : she was lacklustre during most of the season but hey... If there's one who can't compete with the big guns of the tour that's Wozniacki : not Hingis ! She should stop being a WAG, she should stop deluding herself and working hard, very hard on her game !

Novichok
Dec 23rd, 2011, 02:53 PM
The problem with deluded Wozniacki fans : they can't accept that Kvitova made a much better 2011 season than Caroline ! From April 'till the end of the 2011 season she was horrible ! She didn't make a GS final : she was lacklustre during most of the season but hey... If there's one who can't compete with the big guns of the tour that's Wozniacki : not Hingis ! She should stop being a WAG, she should stop deluding herself and working hard, very hard on her game !

There is no problem then. Kvitova did not have "a much better 2011 season than Caroline."

Steven.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 03:00 PM
There is no problem then. Kvitova did not have "a much better 2011 season than Caroline."

Wozniacki definitely had the more consistent year than Kvitova and as a result racked up more points, but Kvitova had the better year based on results and triumphs on the bigger stages (the more important ones) by winning Wimbledon, YEC and Madrid.

Novichok
Dec 23rd, 2011, 03:04 PM
Wozniacki definitely had the more consistent year than Kvitova and as a result racked up more points, but Kvitova had the better year based on results and triumphs on the bigger stages (the more important ones) by winning Wimbledon, YEC and Madrid.

There are 2 ways to determine which player had the better season. One is objective (WTA ranking system) and the other is subjective (personal feelings about who accomplished more/which results you'd rather have). I don't think you can say that Kvitova had a better year by any objective standard. I might be mistaken though. :shrug:

Steven.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 03:15 PM
There are 2 ways to determine which player had the better season. One is objective (WTA ranking system) and the other is subjective (personal feelings about who accomplished more/which results you'd rather have). I don't think you can say that Kvitova had a better year by any objective standard. I might be mistaken though. :shrug:

Objectively, if we look at their end year points, Petra is a mere 115 points behind Caroline - that's the equivalent of winning one or two more matches on the small stages. We can all agree that it's minimal, ESPECIALLY between the best/top 2 players of the year, right?

Objectively, if we look at the prestigious titles they won based on points, Petra won Wimbledon (2000), YEC (1500) and Madrid (1000), which is much greater than Indian Wells (1000) and Dubai (900).

Objectively, both of them won 6 titles apiece this year, with Kvitova winning the bigger titles. Objectively, Kvitova also won an additional Fed Cup - I think we can say this because she really did carry the team this year, going undefeated.

Objectively, Kvitova won 60 matches to 13 losses this year (82.19%) compared to Wozniacki's 63 wins and 17 losses (78.75%).

Objectively, Kvitova went 14-3 in slams, which is better than Wozniacki's 15-4. I'm very sure Kvitova did better in tier 1s as well, if only because Wozniacki bombed out early in Toronto, Cincy and Tokyo was it?

There's just too many statistics in favour of Kvitova to not claim that Kvitova was the top dog (lol get it?) of 2011.

Novichok
Dec 23rd, 2011, 03:27 PM
Objectively, if we look at their end year points, Petra is a mere 115 points behind Caroline - that's the equivalent of winning one or two more matches on the small stages. We can all agree that it's minimal, ESPECIALLY between the best/top 2 players of the year, right?

Objectively, if we look at the prestigious titles they won based on points, Petra won Wimbledon (2000), YEC (1500) and Madrid (1000), which is much greater than Indian Wells (1000) and Dubai (900).

Objectively, both of them won 6 titles apiece this year, with Kvitova winning the bigger titles. Objectively, Kvitova also won an additional Fed Cup - I think we can say this because she really did carry the team this year, going undefeated.

Objectively, Kvitova won 60 matches to 13 losses this year (82.19%) compared to Wozniacki's 63 wins and 17 losses (78.75%).

Objectively, Kvitova went 14-3 in slams, which is better than Wozniacki's 15-4. I'm very sure Kvitova did better in tier 1s as well, if only because Wozniacki bombed out early in Toronto, Cincy and Tokyo was it?

There's just too many statistics in favour of Kvitova to not claim that Kvitova was the top dog (lol get it?) of 2011.

The difference in ranking points is small but Caro still leads. The other objective statistics that you use to establish Petra as the better player are based on your own subjective assessments of which is better.

Let's use an example:

Suppose that 2 people are taking a test. One person scored a 95% by answering all of the questions and consistently getting points off of each one. Another person scored a 94% by answering some questions but not all. This person also answered many questions ingeniously. Who performed better? :confused:

So no, I don't get it. :rolleyes:

mac47
Dec 23rd, 2011, 05:22 PM
Dear Lord. This utterly question-begging "official rankings are true rankings" spiel, again? Just ignore him, Steven. Just wait for a few more weeks, and his last remaining piece of evidence will be removed from under him when the rankings catch up to reality.

Novichok
Dec 23rd, 2011, 05:24 PM
Dear Lord. This utterly question-begging "official rankings are true rankings" spiel, again? Just ignore him, Steven. Just wait for a few more weeks, and his last remaining piece of evidence will be removed from under him when the rankings catch up to reality.

Oh mac, I see you're still pushing the question-begging fallacy even when there's no question-begging. :lol:

Brad[le]y.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 05:26 PM
Legend keeping people pressed, nothing new :zzz:

mac47
Dec 23rd, 2011, 05:57 PM
Oh mac, I see you're still pushing the question-begging fallacy even when there's no question-begging. :lol:

Get thee back under thy bridge, O Troll.

Novichok
Dec 23rd, 2011, 06:05 PM
Get thee back under thy bridge, O Troll.

Troll? Why? Because I'm a fan of Caroline and I don't worship Petra? :rolleyes:

mac47
Dec 23rd, 2011, 06:21 PM
Because you poke and needle and resurrect debates that were rightly buried and abandoned long since.

lol.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 07:25 PM
I think Martina is just being jealous. One must not be even a regular tennis fan (not necessarily a former pro player) to spot that Caroline plays similar to Hingis' tennis.:shrug: Hignis clearly would kill to be in Caroline's shoes right now.

-NAJ-
Dec 23rd, 2011, 07:32 PM
3:45

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8cqcdsd27A

Matt01
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:02 PM
Dear Lord. This utterly question-begging "official rankings are true rankings" spiel, again? Just ignore him, Steven. Just wait for a few more weeks, and his last remaining piece of evidence will be removed from under him when the rankings catch up to reality.


The rankings currently represent the reality just fine but that is just too hard to accept for some people :huh:

Brad[le]y.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:12 PM
I think Martina is just being jealous. One must not be even a regular tennis fan (not necessarily a former pro player) to spot that Caroline plays similar to Hingis' tennis.:shrug: Hignis clearly would kill to be in Caroline's shoes right now.

Slam Titles

Martina: 5
Caro: 0

Slam Finals

Martina: 12
Caro: 1

Tier I Titles

Martina: 17
Caro: 5

YEC Titles

Martina: 2
Caro: 0

Total Titles

Martina: 43
Caro: 18

Weeks at #1

Martina: 209
Caro: 64


but whatever clown :wavey:

Sammo
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:14 PM
I think Martina is just being jealous. One must not be even a regular tennis fan (not necessarily a former pro player) to spot that Caroline plays similar to Hingis' tennis.:shrug: Hignis clearly would kill to be in Caroline's shoes right now.

http://blog.myzeo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/im-with-stupid.gif

lol.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:19 PM
Slam Titles

Martina: 5
Caro: 0

Slam Finals

Martina: 12
Caro: 1

Tier I Titles

Martina: 17
Caro: 5

YEC Titles

Martina: 2
Caro: 0

Total Titles

Martina: 43
Caro: 18

Weeks at #1

Martina: 209
Caro: 64


but whatever clown :wavey:

Turned pro: 1994
Retired: 2007

vs

Turned pro: 2005
Retired: TBD

This is what she's jealous of.:shrug:
Watching someone playing similar playstyle as yourself must be not easy to cope with.:awww:

Brad[le]y.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:21 PM
Turned pro: 1994
Retired: 2007

vs

Turned pro: 2005
Retired: TBD

This is what she's jealous of.:shrug:
Watching someone playing similar playstyle as yourself must be not easy to cope with.:awww:

1) they don't play similar, Hingis was a shotmaker with lack of power; I just don't see that in Caro

2) the way Caro is currently playing, she won't come close to Martina's achievements

3) didn't you just get banned? :spit:

Ryan
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:22 PM
There are 2 ways to determine which player had the better season. One is objective (WTA ranking system) and the other is subjective (personal feelings about who accomplished more/which results you'd rather have). I don't think you can say that Kvitova had a better year by any objective standard. I might be mistaken though. :shrug:


You definitely can. The rankings isn't the ONLY objective way to compare years. You can look at titles. 6-6. Quality of titles? GS + YEC > IW + Dubai. :shrug:

Excelscior
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:25 PM
Turned pro: 1994
Retired: 2007

vs

Turned pro: 2005
Retired: TBD

This is what she's jealous of.:shrug:
Watching someone playing similar playstyle as yourself must be not easy to cope with.:awww:

What similar playstyle?

And didn't Martina have a early retirement, then comeback and retire again? :scratch: :confused: :scratch:

Since you brought it up (I didn't) Martina's first 5 years were much better. Correct? :shrug: :scratch: :shrug:

Novichok
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:27 PM
You definitely can. The rankings isn't the ONLY objective way to compare years. You can look at titles. 6-6. Quality of titles? GS + YEC > IW + Dubai. :shrug:

That would require a subjective assessment of which titles are better than others and which titles to count and not count. The players agree to play under the WTA ranking system so that should be used as the objective standard. :shrug:

Sammo
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:29 PM
Turned pro: 1994
Retired: 2007

vs

Turned pro: 2005
Retired: TBD

This is what she's jealous of.:shrug:
Watching someone playing similar playstyle as yourself must be not easy to cope with.:awww:

Hingis' real career lasted for 8 years. Fall of 1996 - beginning of 2002. And then 2006 and half of 2007.

Sammo
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:31 PM
Am I really discussing with a Wozniacki fan about Hingis being jealous of her? :lol:

lol.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:37 PM
1) they don't play similar, Hingis was a shotmaker with lack of power; I just don't see that in Caro

2) the way Caro is currently playing, she won't come close to Martina's achievements

3) didn't you just get banned? :spit:
1) So is Caro.
2) Time will tell.
3) No. I'm new here.

What similar playstyle?

And didn't Martina have a early retirement, then comeback and retire again? :scratch: :confused: :scratch:

Since you brought it up (I didn't) Martina's first 5 years were much better. Correct? :shrug: :scratch: :shrug:
You never know how Caro's next years will be looking like. Do you?:confused:

One thing is for certain, their style of play are similar. As similar as they could be in different eras.

Brad[le]y.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:40 PM
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this match alone should say the difference in their games. I assume you watched Caro's most recent match vs Serena so I won't bother posting.

Martian Jeza
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:46 PM
bk3xWlrV8d8

this match alone should say the difference in their games. I assume you watched Caro's most recent match vs Serena so I won't bother posting.

Stop it : you are giving me so much nostalgia :sad:

lol.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:53 PM
bk3xWlrV8d8

this match alone should say the difference in their games. I assume you watched Caro's most recent match vs Serena so I won't bother posting.

You can cut out as much amazing points in most of the Caro's great matches.:)

Jane Lane
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:53 PM
1) So is Caro.
2) Time will tell.
3) No. I'm new here.


Okay honestly, tea WhatIf? you really need to try harder.

Brad[le]y.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 08:58 PM
You can cut out as much amazing points in most of the Caro's great matches.:)

against Serena Williams? :)

lol.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:01 PM
Okay honestly, tea WhatIf? you really need to try harder.

Have you misquoted someone?:confused:

I've got the impression 90% of replies on this forum are not on topic:facepalm:

against Serena Williams? :)
Against Kim Clijsters, for one. From the Serena matches I believe the collection of Caro's great shots can be made as well.

mac47
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:03 PM
You can cut out as much amazing points in most of the Caro's great matches.:)

Not when Serena is standing on the other side of the net. More than a set went by before the first Woz winner at the USO this year. She finished with, what was it, 3? 4?

Excelscior
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:09 PM
1) So is Caro.
2) Time will tell.
3) No. I'm new here.


You never know how Caro's next years will be looking like. Do you?:confused:

One thing is for certain, their style of play are similar. As similar as they could be in different eras.

Pure Hilarity. Are you a comedian, when you're not posting here?

I'm not even going to argue or debate this.

Do you realize what you're saying?

I'm sure the video that was presented said enough.

Note: If you present a video of your own (which you won't) of similar shot making, please present it against a top flight opponent and not a scrub. :confused: :sad: :confused:

You gave us a nice chuckle though.

Brad[le]y.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:10 PM
Have you misquoted someone?:confused:

I've got the impression 90% of replies on this forum are not on topic:facepalm:


Against Kim Clijsters, for one. From the Serena matches I believe the collection of Caro's great shots can be made as well.

True, she played well against Kim, but Serena is a much more formidable opponent. I assume you completely ignored my video in an effort to remain as ignorant as possible. Watch what Martina did in that video compared to what Caro did vs Serena at the USO.

lol.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:16 PM
Note: If you present a video of your own (which you won't) of similar shot making, please present it against a top flight opponent and not a scrub. :confused: :sad: :confused:
I'm not that much obsessed with cutting out best shots of my fave to prove some point to ignorant public on tennis forum.:lol:

However, just to please you:
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Notice, this it the first random youtube vid I've found on Woz. This is only a display of her passing shots agains the legendary player. And passing shots is not her best asset at all. Figure out the rest by yourself. Or do some youtube, if you're new to tennis and have missed 2010-2011.:hug:

lol.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:23 PM
True, she played well against Kim, but Serena is a much more formidable opponent. I assume you completely ignored my video in an effort to remain as ignorant as possible. Watch what Martina did in that video compared to what Caro did vs Serena at the USO.

I beg to differ. Kim is nohow worse a player than Serena.

Don't be selective as that sammy01 (or whatever) poster. Tennis is about match-ups as well. Serena back then (when she played Martina) is not exactly the current Serena.

The thing is, Caroline is a Hingis of 2010-.. decade. Of course she's a bit different, cause the real Hingis would barely win two matches in a row these days, but the style of Martina is somewhat preserved by Caro, only her.:cool:

Excelscior
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:24 PM
I'm not that much obsessed with cutting out best shots of my fave to prove some point to ignorant public on tennis forum.:lol:

However, just to please you:
2B_Ub8IBj74
Notice, this it the first random youtube vid I've found on Woz. This is only a display of her passing shots agains the legendary player. And passing shots is not her best asset at all. Figure out the rest by yourself. Or do some youtube, if you're new to tennis and have missed 2010-2011.:hug:

The hilarity continues.

Whoa K. Thanks. :confused: :eek: :confused:

sfan
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:26 PM
I agree with Hingis, Kvitova is really impressive. I have never seen anyone completely outplay Maria like she did in the Wimbledon final.

lol.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:27 PM
The hilarity continues.

Whoa K. Thanks. :confused: :eek: :confused:

Informative reply.:confused: :eek: :confused:
K. Merci.

Brad[le]y.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:29 PM
I beg to differ. Kim is nohow worse a player than Serena.

Don't be selective as that sammy01 (or whatever) poster. Tennis is about match-ups as well. Serena back then (when she played Martina) is not exactly the current Serena.

The thing is, Caroline is a Hingis of 2010-.. decade. Of course she's a bit different, cause the real Hingis would barely win two matches in a row these days, but the style of Martina is somewhat preserved by Caro, only her.:cool:

Serena played much better in the 2001 match than she did against Caro

And what exactly do you mean the "real Martina" because I guarantee you if Martina was in good form she'd do a lot better than Caro would be doing right now :lol:

Novichok
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:30 PM
I agree with Hingis, Kvitova is really impressive. I have never seen anyone completely outplay Maria like she did in the Wimbledon final.

When did you start watching Maria play and how many times have you seen her play?:lol::lol::lol:

Brad[le]y.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:30 PM
I agree with Hingis, Kvitova is really impressive. I have never seen anyone completely outplay Maria like she did in the Wimbledon final.

AO 2007? :confused:

mac47
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:36 PM
The player who most approximates Hingis' variety, court sense, and beautiful touch is not Wozniacki, but Aga Radwanska.

I must say I liked the highlights from that vid of Woz against Kim. They show what Woz's greatest strength is: her anticipation. Those passing shots were made possible because she correctly read where Kim was going to put the approach shot.

On the other hand, Serena did not make Kim's mistake of attempting to come in off a cross-court approach shot that gives Woz too much time. And that's why you'd have to fast-forward through the whole first set of the 2011 USO semi before you get to the first winner struck by Wozniacki.

lol.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:43 PM
Serena played much better in the 2001 match than she did against Caro

And what exactly do you mean the "real Martina" because I guarantee you if Martina was in good form she'd do a lot better than Caro would be doing right now :lol:
This is a well-known delusion.:hug:
It took Caroline years to adapt her initially Hingis-like game to modern tennis. I very doubt Martina would ever be able to re-build her game. Even though she might be a bit more talented...

Excelscior
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:45 PM
Informative reply.:confused: :eek: :confused:
K. Merci.

The reason why I gave you that response, cause I'm not going to engage myself in a protracted discussion. It's fruitless.

I didn't ask you to send a video (though you did anyway), I just said if you do, send it with a good player and you did. Thanks.

We all know Caro has the ability to hit crisply when she wants (particularly 2010 to early 2011). But most of the time she'd rather wait for an error. And both her forehand, back hand, aggression and confidence have appeared to get progressively worse. As far as finesse, net play and touch, she doesn't have it at all (especially compared to Hingis, which more of what I was really talking about). Let me see she do that against a top flight player (who's playing/hitting well), which is what I was really asking/thinking about.


Was that enough? :confused: :) :confused:

Sammo
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:46 PM
I agree with Hingis, Kvitova is really impressive. I have never seen anyone completely outplay Maria like she did in the Wimbledon final.

Oh I have.












Toray Pan Pacific Open 2006 SF... :oh:

Excelscior
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:48 PM
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This is a well-known delusion.:hug:
It took Caroline years to adapt her initially Hingis-like game to modern tennis. I very doubt Martina would ever be able to re-build her game. Even though she might be a bit more talented...

Do you really believe what you're saying, or are you a true comedian, provocateur? :lol: :eek: :lol:

Kairi
Dec 23rd, 2011, 09:51 PM
Tea/WhatIf/lol. dude at least TRY to alter ur posting patterns... :haha:

Excelscior
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:00 PM
Tea/WhatIf/lol. dude at least TRY to alter ur posting patterns... :haha:

I guess that's part of the fun?

Maybe their ego is too big for us not to know (really you guys, cause I didn't know tea, or their mannerism).

Kinda like those master criminals, that have to write the local paper or leave a note behind, cause they want you to know they did it, by leaving an Alias (though not their real name), so they don't/until they want to get caught. :confused: :shrug: :confused:

Holdsworth
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:03 PM
lol. tea, what if
You insulted tennis, comparing ingenious Martina to boring pusher Wozniacki ))

Тупой хохол...)))):lol: Ну ты и клоун, не сравнивай гениальную Хингис с унылым пушером Возняцки

PLP
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:03 PM
Oh I have.












Toray Pan Pacific Open 2006 SF... :oh:

One of the only matches in Marti's comeback where she showed her true potential and confidence.

This thread is a Hot mess. :lol:
Martina didn't diss Caro in the first place and she has been praising Petra for awhile.

I actually see similarities to Hingis in both Petra and Caro.
Can't wait for the season to finally begin.

ranfurly
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:04 PM
Objectively, if we look at their end year points, Petra is a mere 115 points behind Caroline - that's the equivalent of winning one or two more matches on the small stages. We can all agree that it's minimal, ESPECIALLY between the best/top 2 players of the year, right?

Objectively, if we look at the prestigious titles they won based on points, Petra won Wimbledon (2000), YEC (1500) and Madrid (1000), which is much greater than Indian Wells (1000) and Dubai (900).

Objectively, both of them won 6 titles apiece this year, with Kvitova winning the bigger titles. Objectively, Kvitova also won an additional Fed Cup - I think we can say this because she really did carry the team this year, going undefeated.

Objectively, Kvitova won 60 matches to 13 losses this year (82.19%) compared to Wozniacki's 63 wins and 17 losses (78.75%).

Objectively, Kvitova went 14-3 in slams, which is better than Wozniacki's 15-4. I'm very sure Kvitova did better in tier 1s as well, if only because Wozniacki bombed out early in Toronto, Cincy and Tokyo was it?

There's just too many statistics in favour of Kvitova to not claim that Kvitova was the top dog (lol get it?) of 2011.

Agree, no matter what way you manipulate the statistics, Kvitova's are more impressive. Wozniacki did well to be consistent throughout the year, (apart from a the blip in the latter half)

It's like comparing a Audi A4 and a Subaru Legacy, both have awesome acceleration and fuel efficiency, yet one stands out compared to the other ;-)

lol.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:08 PM
Do you really believe what you're saying, or are you a true comedian, provocateur? :lol: :eek: :lol:

If I say something it must be apprehended as truth. Value my words, because I won't be able to repeat them for ever.

:secret: Don't use that net play as an argument anymore, tennis has moved on from that useless component of the game long time ago.

Hurley
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:09 PM
Can't its IP be blocked? It's so annoying, the constant returns.

Holdsworth
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:11 PM
:secret: Don't use that net play as an argument anymore, tennis has moved on from that useless component of the game long time ago.
Probably, you are a fan of Nadull, not of Federer :worship:

Kairi
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:12 PM
:hysteric: is IT that DESPERATE for convo on an online forum?......

mac47
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:24 PM
If I say something it must be apprehended as truth. Value my words, because I won't be able to repeat them for ever.

:secret: Don't use that net play as an argument anymore, tennis has moved on from that useless component of the game long time ago.

dang right. Ban hammer coming.,,

Kairi
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:25 PM
:oh:
http://oi43.tinypic.com/ou8gzp.jpg
harmless you say? :unsure: :confused: i wouldn't call THIS harmless...another of your 'alts'.. btw, dont PM me ever again..

http://oi43.tinypic.com/n6zvq.jpg

Holdsworth
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:26 PM
Can't its IP be blocked? It's so annoying, the constant returns.
It is not a decision.. He can easily change his ip. Probably he will be banned soon, but then hewill come back again :worship:

lol.
Dec 23rd, 2011, 10:32 PM
[B]harmless you say? :unsure: :confused: i wouldn't call THIS harmless...another of your 'alts'.. btw, dont PM me ever

And your point is....:confused:

EDIT: Oh now I am starting to get it. New members here are destined to get trough some idiotic accusations. Tell me when I pass, please.:zzz: