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Asif_Nawaz
Dec 21st, 2011, 04:33 PM
TOP 10
Wozniacki
Kvitova
Azarenka
Sharapova
Na
Stosur
Zvonareva
Radwanska
Bartoli
Petkovic

Give marks out of 10.


FOREHAND
BACKHAND
SERVE
FITNESS
MOVEMENT
MENTALITY
NETPLAY
FINESSE

Asif_Nawaz
Dec 21st, 2011, 04:46 PM
yeah thats what ive said.

Break My Rapture
Dec 21st, 2011, 04:49 PM
Nice thread.

FOREHAND
Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6
Li 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

BACKHAND
Wozniacki 7 (would have given her an 8 but her best shot has regressed IMO)
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 8
Li 8
Stosur 3
Zvonareva 9 (sickeningly accurate)
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 6

SERVE
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 7
Li 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 6

FITNESS
Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 7
Li 7
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 9

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 8 (only for her defensive movement)
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 5 (see match vs Pennetta, absolutely DIRE)
Li 7
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

MENTALITY
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 8
Li 6
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 6

NETPLAY
Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 5
Li 7
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 5 (hardly ever see her at the net so taking my conclusions from that)
Petkovic 6

FINESSE
Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 6
Li 6
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 5

MarkNL
Dec 21st, 2011, 04:55 PM
FOREHAND
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 8
Na 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 8

BACKHAND
Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7
Na 8
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7

SERVE
Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 6
Na 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7

FITNESS
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7
Na 8
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 6
Na 8
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

MENTALITY
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 8
Na 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 8

NETPLAY
Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7
Na 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

FINESSE
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 7
Na 8
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7

Patrick345
Dec 21st, 2011, 05:04 PM
FOREHAND
Wozniacki 3
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 8
Li 9
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 5
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

BACKHAND
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 7
Li 7
Stosur 2
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 6

SERVE
Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 4
Sharapova 7
Li 8
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 4

FITNESS
Wozniacki 10
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 7
Li 7
Stosur 10
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 10

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 10
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6
Li 6
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 8

MENTALITY (needs a better definition, fighting till the end, good attitude or coming up big when it matters?) I make it a mix.
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 8
Li 6
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 4
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 4

NETPLAY (tough one, because today imho size/reach, aggressiveness of the volley and approach awareness are more important than textbook volley skills)
Wozniacki 3
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 4
Sharapova 7
Li 5
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 6

FINESSE
Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7
Li 5
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 5

Stonerpova
Dec 21st, 2011, 05:39 PM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 8.5
Na 8
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 7.5
Radwanska 7.5
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 8

BACKHAND

Wozniacki 7.5
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 9
Na 9
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 6

SERVE

Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 4
Na 7.5
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 4
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

FITNESS

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6.5
Na 8
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 7.5
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 8

MOVEMENT

Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 6
Na 8
Stosur 7.5
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7.5

MENTALITY

Wozniacki 8.5
Kvitova 8.5
Azarenka 6.5
Sharapova 10
Na 7
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 5
Radwanska 7.5
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 7

NETPLAY :rolls: I'm being generous on a lot of these

Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 5
Na 7
Stosur 8.5
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 9
Bartoli :confused:
Petkovic 7

FINESSE

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6.5
Na 6.5
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9.5
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 7

Sean.
Dec 21st, 2011, 05:44 PM
Wozniacki
FOREHAND - 4
BACKHAND - 6
SERVE - 6
FITNESS - 9
MOVEMENT - 8
MENTALITY - 8
NETPLAY - 4
FINESSE - 3

Kvitova
FOREHAND - 8
BACKHAND - 8
SERVE - 9
FITNESS - 6
MOVEMENT - 5
MENTALITY - 8
NETPLAY - 8
FINESSE - 7

Azarenka
FOREHAND - 6
BACKHAND - 7
SERVE - 5
FITNESS - 5
MOVEMENT - 6
MENTALITY - 5
NETPLAY - 7
FINESSE - 6

Sharapova
FOREHAND - 7
BACKHAND - 8
SERVE - 7
FITNESS - 5
MOVEMENT - 4
MENTALITY - 7
NETPLAY - 3
FINESSE - 3

Na
FOREHAND - 8
BACKHAND - 6
SERVE - 7
FITNESS - 7
MOVEMENT - 6
MENTALITY - 4
NETPLAY - 6
FINESSE - 4

Stosur
FOREHAND - 8
BACKHAND - 4
SERVE - 7
FITNESS - 7
MOVEMENT - 6
MENTALITY - 5
NETPLAY - 7
FINESSE - 4

Zvonareva
FOREHAND - 6
BACKHAND - 8
SERVE - 7
FITNESS - 8
MOVEMENT - 8
MENTALITY - 5
NETPLAY – 8 (let down by her reach)
FINESSE - 9

Radwanska
FOREHAND - 5
BACKHAND - 7
SERVE - 5
FITNESS - 7
MOVEMENT - 8
MENTALITY - 8
NETPLAY - 7
FINESSE - 9

Bartoli
FOREHAND - 7
BACKHAND - 7
SERVE - 6
FITNESS - 7
MOVEMENT - 6
MENTALITY - 7
NETPLAY - 5
FINESSE - 3

Petkovic
FOREHAND - 8
BACKHAND - 6
SERVE - 5
FITNESS - 8
MOVEMENT - 7
MENTALITY - 4
NETPLAY - 6
FINESSE - 5

atominside
Dec 21st, 2011, 05:51 PM
^why Must You Do It Differently :s

RenaSlam.
Dec 21st, 2011, 05:53 PM
:sad: :sad: :sad:

I can't believe that's what the YE Top 10 looks like.

:sobbing:

Macomere
Dec 21st, 2011, 06:10 PM
FOREHAND
Wozniacki N/A
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 5
Na 5
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 4
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 5.5
Petkovic 6

BACKHAND
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 9
Na 8
Stosur N/A
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7

SERVE
Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 6
Na 7
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7

FITNESS
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 4
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7
Na 8
Stosur 10
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 9
Bartoli N/A
Petkovic 7

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 6
Na 8
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

MENTALITY
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 5
Na 6
Stosur 5
Zvonareva N/A
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 8

NETPLAY
Wozniacki :spit: what?
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 3
Na 7
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

FINESSE
Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 3
Na 6
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

SwingVolley93
Dec 21st, 2011, 06:15 PM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 7
Na 8
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 6.5
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 8

BACKHAND

Wozniacki 7.5
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 8
Na 8
Stosur 4
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 6

SERVE

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 5
Na 7.5
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

FITNESS

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6.5
Na 7
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 1
Petkovic 7

MOVEMENT

Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 5
Na 8
Stosur 7.5
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 7.5

MENTALITY

Wozniacki 8.5
Kvitova 8.5
Azarenka 6.5
Sharapova 9
Na 7
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 5
Radwanska 7.5
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 7

NETPLAY

Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 5
Na 7
Stosur 8.5
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 0
Petkovic 7

FINESSE

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6.5
Na 6.5
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9.5
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 7

:cheer: :cheer:

Sammo
Dec 21st, 2011, 06:20 PM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 7
Na 8
Stosur 10
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7

BACKHAND
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 7
Na 7
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 9
Petkovic 8

SERVE
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7
Na 6
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 8

FITNESS
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 4
Sharapova 7
Na 8
Stosur 10
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 8

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 6
Na 8
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 7

MENTALITY
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 7
Na now? :lol: 2
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 10
Bartoli 9
Petkovic 5

NETPLAY
Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6
Na 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7

FINESSE
Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6
Na 8
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 10
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 6

Landon92
Dec 21st, 2011, 06:44 PM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 8
Na 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 8

BACKHAND

Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 7
Na 6
Stosur 3
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 9
Petkovic 8

SERVE

Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 10
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 8
Na 7
Stosur 10
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 7

FITNESS

Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 5
Azarenka 3
Sharapova 4
Na 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 9

MOVEMENT

Wozniacki 10
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 6
Na 7
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 8

MENTALITY

Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 6
Na 4
Stosur 4
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 9
Petkovic 5

NETPLAY

Wozniacki 2
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 5
Na 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 5

FINESSE

Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 5
Na 8
Stosur 4
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 10
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 5

Fighterpova
Dec 21st, 2011, 07:53 PM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 10 :worship:
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7.5
Na 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

BACKHAND

Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 9.5
Na 8
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 8.5
Radwanska 7.5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

SERVE

Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 5
Na 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

FITNESS

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 3
Sharapova 6
Na 7
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 8

MOVEMENT

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8.5
Sharapova 6
Na 7
Stosur 7.5
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 7.5

MENTALITY

Wozniacki 7.5
Kvitova 8.5
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 7.5
Na 3
Stosur 4
Zvonareva 5
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 6.5
Petkovic 7

NETPLAY

Wozniacki 3
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 4
Na 6.5
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 3
Petkovic 7

FINESSE

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6.5
Na 6
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 7


Average:
Wozniacki........6.68
Kvitova..........8.06
Azarenka.........6.44
Sharapova........6.5
Li...............6.44
Stosur...........7.18
Zvonareva........6.44
Radwanska........7.68
Bartoli..........5.06
Petkovic.........7.06

I know it might sound silly that Aga and Petko are so high, but they have the most consistent shots, they got most 7s and 8s and Aga of course got major points on movement, finesse and volleys. Stosur also ranked high because of her forehand, serve and netplay.

bobito
Dec 21st, 2011, 07:56 PM
Wozniacki
Fh - 3 Bh - 8 Ser - 6 Fit - 8 Mov - 8 Men - 8 Net - 4 Fin - 3

Kvitova
Fh - 9 Bh - 8 Ser - 8 Fit - 6 Mov - 6 Men - 8 Net - 6 Fin - 6

Azarenka
Fh - 7 Bh - 8 Ser - 7 Fit -7 Mov - 9 Men - 7 Net - 6 Fin - 4

Sharapova
Fh - 6 Bh - 8 Ser - 4 Fit - 6 Mov - 6 Men - 8 Net - 5 Fin - 0

Na
Fh - 8 Bh - 7 Ser - 7 Fit - 8 Mov - 7 Men - 5 Net - 6 Fin - 4

Stosur
Fh - 9 Bh - 4 Ser - 9 Fit - 8 Mov - 6 Men - 7 Net - 7 Fin - 5

Zvonareva
Fh - 7 Bh - 8 Ser - 7 Fit - 8 Mov - 8 Men - 5 Net - 6 Fin - 3

Radwanska
Fh - 7 Bh - 7 Ser - 4 Fit - 9 Mov - 9 Men - 6 Net - 7 Fin - 7

Bartoli
Fh - 6 Bh - 7 Ser - 5 Fit - 4 Mov - 2 Men - 6 Net - 5 Fin - 1

Petkovic
Fh - 7 Bh - 6 Ser - 5 Fit - 9 Mov - 8 Men - 6 Net - 6 Fin - 3

:scratch:

The Yardsticks (players who I'd have scored a 10):

Forehand - Steffi Graf
Backhand - Justine Henin
Serve - Serena Williams
Fitness - Kim Clijsters (2003)
Movement - Justine Henin
Mentality - Serena Williams
Net - Martina Navratilova
Finesse - Martina Hingis

miffedmax
Dec 21st, 2011, 07:58 PM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7 (9 in the old days)
Na 4/8 (depending on the day of the week)
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7
Lena D. 8

BACKHAND

Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 7
Na 6
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 8 (two handed slice is wicked bad and best disguised shot in the WTA)
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 8
Lena D: 6/2 (crosscourt/dtl)

SERVE

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6 (old TOB was a 9.5; it's just too inconsistent now for me to give it high marks)
Na 4/8 (which way is the wind blowing?)
Stosur 8 (effective, but if you can handle her kick you can neutralize it)
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 7
Lena D: 6

FITNESS

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 7/3 (if she lasts, she's actually not bad in 3-setters, but she is injured too often, so I give her the split score)
Sharapova 6
Na 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 8
Lena D. 9.5

MOVEMENT

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 4
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 5
Na 6
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 8
Lena D. 9

MENTALITY

Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 9.5 (she still doesn't like to lose)
Na 0/10 (she either has no brain or is completely mental, take your pick)
Stosur 4
Zvonareva 3
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 5
Lena D. 7/0 (up to the quarters of a major/after the quarters of a major)

NETPLAY

Wozniacki 1
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 3
Na 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 5
Lena D. 4

FINESSE

Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 5
Azarenka 4
Sharapova 3
Na 6
Stosur 3
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 5
Lena D. 4

I added in the Bebanged one as a control for my biases.

Ryan
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:01 PM
I'm surprised at some of the serve scores. Wozniacki definitely has a better serve than Aga, and I'd say even Vika and Petko. She's pretty consistently in the top range for service percentage, holding etc.

Overall, a :eek: list of YE Top 10. I agree with miffedmax's scores overall.

Fighterpova
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:09 PM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 10 :worship:
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7.5
Na 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

BACKHAND

Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 9.5
Na 8
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 8.5
Radwanska 7.5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

SERVE

Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 5
Na 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

FITNESS

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 3
Sharapova 6
Na 7
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 8

MOVEMENT

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8.5
Sharapova 6
Na 7
Stosur 7.5
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 7.5

MENTALITY

Wozniacki 7.5
Kvitova 8.5
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 7.5
Na 3
Stosur 4
Zvonareva 5
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 6.5
Petkovic 7

NETPLAY

Wozniacki 3
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 4
Na 6.5
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 3
Petkovic 7

FINESSE

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6.5
Na 6
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 7


Average:
Wozniacki........6.68
Kvitova..........8.06
Azarenka.........6.44
Sharapova........6.5
Li...............6.44
Stosur...........7.18
Zvonareva........6.44
Radwanska........7.68
Bartoli..........5.06
Petkovic.........7.06

I know it might sound silly that Aga and Petko are so high, but they have the most consistent shots, they got most 7s and 8s and Aga of course got major points on movement, finesse and volleys. Stosur also ranked high because of her forehand, serve and netplay.

I'll also do for Serena ;)
Forehand: 8.5
Backhand: 9.5
Serve: 10 :worship:
Fitness: 6
Movement: 8.5(her movement is still great even at the age of 30)
Mentality: 9.5
Netplay: 8.5
Finesse: 9(she is an amazing player to watch)
Average: 8.69

fede33
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:35 PM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 8
Na 8
Stosur 10
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 9

BACKHAND

Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 9
Na 7
Stosur 2
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7

SERVE

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6
Na 6
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 6

FITNESS

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 6
Na 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 8


MOVEMENT

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 5
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 5
Na 6
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 10(not as some compare to Vera, check your match please)
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 7

MENTALITY

Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 9
Na 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 2
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 5

NETPLAY

Wozniacki 1
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 4
Na 6
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 1
Petkovic 5

FINESSE

Wozniacki 3
Kvitova 5
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 5
Na 6
Stosur 3
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 10:hearts:
Bartoli 2
Petkovic 5

dsanders06
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:38 PM
I was going to give each player a "peak" mark and a "current" mark, but then I realised Maria is the only player in the top 10 who you can definitively state didn't peak in the last 2 years :sobbing:

FOREHAND
Wozniacki 3/10
Kvitova 9/10
Azarenka 5/10
Sharapova - Current 6/10; Peak 8/10
Li 7/10
Stosur 9/10
Zvonareva 6/10
Radwanska 5/10
Bartoli 6/10
Petkovic 5/10


BACKHAND
Wozniacki 6/10
Kvitova 8/10
Azarenka 8/10
Sharapova - Current 8/10; Peak 9/10
Li 8/10
Stosur 3/10
Zvonareva 6/10
Radwanska 4/10
Bartoli 7/10
Petkovic 4/10


SERVE
Wozniacki 5/10
Kvitova 10/10
Azarenka 3/10
Sharapova - Current 5/10; Peak 10/10
Li 6/10
Stosur 8/10
Zvonareva 6/10
Radwanska 3/10
Bartoli 6/10
Petkovic 6/10

FITNESS
Wozniacki 10/10
Kvitova 7/10
Azarenka 2/10
Sharapova Current/Peak 8/10
Li 6/10
Stosur 9/10
Zvonareva 8/10
Radwanska 6/10
Bartoli 5/10
Petkovic 9/10

MOVEMENT (Turning this into Defence as a whole)
Wozniacki 9/10
Kvitova 7/10
Azarenka 8/10
Sharapova Current/Peak 6/10
Li 6/10
Stosur 7/10
Zvonareva 7/10
Radwanska 8/10
Bartoli 4/10
Petkovic 6/10

MENTALITY
Wozniacki 8/10
Kvitova 8/10
Azarenka 5/10
Sharapova Current 9/10; Peak 10/10
Li 5/10
Stosur 6/10
Zvonareva 3/10
Radwanska 5/10
Bartoli 7/10
Petkovic 6/10

NETPLAY
Wozniacki 5/10
Kvitova 8/10
Azarenka 6/10
Sharapova Current/Peak 3/10
Li 5/10
Stosur 5/10
Zvonareva 7/10
Radwanska 7/10
Bartoli 3/10
Petkovic 4/10

FINESSE
Wozniacki 3/10
Kvitova 6/10
Azarenka 6/10
Sharapova Current/Peak 2/10
Li 3/10
Stosur 3/10
Zvonareva 6/10
Radwanska 8/10
Bartoli 2/10
Petkovic 5/10


I'm also adding a new category :angel:

ON-COURT INTELLIGENCE
Wozniacki 9/10
Kvitova 6/10
Azarenka 7/10
Sharapova 6/10
Li 3/10
Stosur 2/10
Zvonareva 8/10
Radwanska 8/10
Bartoli 3/10
Petkovic 7/10

fede33
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:45 PM
^^ dsanders06 Aga you hate? jajja

Excelscior
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:46 PM
yeah thats what ive said.

Yeah.

That's a lot of freaking people/stuff to write Asif! Lol

But I will, when I get a chance.

Much Thanks for the NON PEAK topic though. :lol: :tape: :lol:

dsanders06
Dec 21st, 2011, 08:54 PM
^^ dsanders06 Aga you hate? jajja

No, she's just mediocre in most crucial areas of the game :lol: I gave her high marks for defence/intelligence/finesse though.

Coconut91
Dec 21st, 2011, 09:18 PM
Wozniacki
FOREHAND - 4
BACKHAND - 6
SERVE - 6
FITNESS - 9
MOVEMENT - 8
MENTALITY - 8
NETPLAY - 4
FINESSE - 3

Kvitova
FOREHAND - 8
BACKHAND - 8
SERVE - 9
FITNESS - 6
MOVEMENT - 5
MENTALITY - 8
NETPLAY - 8
FINESSE - 7

Azarenka
FOREHAND - 6
BACKHAND - 7
SERVE - 5
FITNESS - 5
MOVEMENT - 6
MENTALITY - 5
NETPLAY - 7
FINESSE - 6

Sharapova
FOREHAND - 7
BACKHAND - 8
SERVE - 7
FITNESS - 5
MOVEMENT - 4
MENTALITY - 7
NETPLAY - 3
FINESSE - 3

Na
FOREHAND - 8
BACKHAND - 6
SERVE - 7
FITNESS - 7
MOVEMENT - 6
MENTALITY - 4
NETPLAY - 6
FINESSE - 4

Stosur
FOREHAND - 8
BACKHAND - 4
SERVE - 7
FITNESS - 7
MOVEMENT - 6
MENTALITY - 5
NETPLAY - 7
FINESSE - 4

Zvonareva
FOREHAND - 6
BACKHAND - 8
SERVE - 7
FITNESS - 8
MOVEMENT - 10
MENTALITY - 5
NETPLAY ľ 8 (let down by her reach)
FINESSE - 9

Radwanska
FOREHAND - 5
BACKHAND - 7
SERVE - 5
FITNESS - 7
MOVEMENT - 8
MENTALITY - 8
NETPLAY - 7
FINESSE - 9

Bartoli
FOREHAND - 7
BACKHAND - 7
SERVE - 6
FITNESS - 7
MOVEMENT - 6
MENTALITY - 7
NETPLAY - 5
FINESSE - 3

Petkovic
FOREHAND - 8
BACKHAND - 6
SERVE - 5
FITNESS - 8
MOVEMENT - 7
MENTALITY - 4
NETPLAY - 6
FINESSE - 5

I agree with most of your ratings. :) Maybe would put Zvonareva behind Radwanska in terms of finesse.

I'll also do for Serena ;)
Forehand: 8.5
Backhand: 9.5
Serve: 10 :worship:
Fitness: 6
Movement: 8.5(her movement is still great even at the age of 30)
Mentality: 9.5
Netplay: 8.5
Finesse: 9(she is an amazing player to watch)
Average: 8.69

That's the only aspect where I wouldn't rate Serena very high.

Bismarck.
Dec 21st, 2011, 09:28 PM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki - 4
Kvitova - 8
Azarenka - 5
Sharapova - 5
Li - 6
Stosur - 8
Zvonareva - 5
Radwanska - 3
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 6

BACKHAND

Wozniacki - 6.5
Kvitova - 8
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 6.5
Li - 7.5
Stosur - 4
Zvonareva - 7.5
Radwanska - 5
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 7

SERVE

Wozniacki - 6
Kvitova - 7.5
Azarenka - 4
Sharapova - 6
Li - 6
Stosur - 8
Zvonareva - 6
Radwanska - 4
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 6

FITNESS

Wozniacki - 8.5
Kvitova - 6
Azarenka - 3
Sharapova - 5
Li - 6
Stosur - 7.5
Zvonareva - 7
Radwanska - 7
Bartoli - 6
Petkovic - 8

MOVEMENT

Wozniacki - 8
Kvitova - 6 (factoring in footwork, also)
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 4
Li - 7
Stosur - 6.5
Zvonareva - 7
Radwanska - 7
Bartoli - 4
Petkovic - 6

MENTALITY

Wozniacki - 7
Kvitova - 9
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 8
Li - 6
Stosur - 5
Zvonareva - 3
Radwanska - 7
Bartoli - 6
Petkovic - 5

NETPLAY

Wozniacki - 3
Kvitova - 7
Azarenka - 5
Sharapova - 6
Li - 6
Stosur - 5
Zvonareva - 8
Radwanska - 6
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 6

FINESSE

Wozniacki - 2
Kvitova - 5
Azarenka - 3
Sharapova - 2
Li - 3
Stosur - 4
Zvonareva - 5
Radwanska - 7
Bartoli - 1
Petkovic - 2

Asif_Nawaz
Dec 21st, 2011, 09:51 PM
FOREHAND
Wozniacki 5.5
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 5.5
Sharapova 7.5
Na 8
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 8

BACKHAND
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7.5
Sharapova 8.5
Na 7
Stosur 5.5
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 6.5
Bartoli 8.5
Petkovic 7

SERVE
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 7
Na 7.5
Stosur 8.5
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 7

FITNESS
Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 8.5
Na 8
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 8.5
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 9

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 7.5
Sharapova 5
Na 7
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7

MENTALITY
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 9
Na 5
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 4
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 7

NETPLAY
Wozniacki 4.5
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 5
Na 7
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 6.5
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 6

FINESSE
Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 5
Na 6
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 6.5
Radwanska 8.5
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 5

AVERAGE:

Wozniacki: 6.88
Kvitova: 7.63
Azarenka: 7.06
Sharapova: 6.94
Na: 6.94
Stosur: 7.5
Zvonareva: 7.13
Radwanska: 7.31
Bartoli: 6.94
Petkovic: 7.0

Aryman3
Dec 21st, 2011, 10:33 PM
FH
Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7
Na 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 6

BH
Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 6
Na 7
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 7

SERVE
Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 6
Na Li 6
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

FITNESS
Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6
Stosur 8
Na Li 7
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 6
Na Li 7
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7


MENTALITY
Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 9
Na Li 7
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 5
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 6

NETPLAY
Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 4
Li Na 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 3
Petkovic

FINESSE
Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 5
Li Na 7
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 6

YoncÚ
Dec 21st, 2011, 11:09 PM
FOREHAND
Wozniacki 4.5
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6.5
Li 6
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

BACKHAND
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 8
Li 8
Stosur 4
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 7.5
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 7

SERVE
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 7
Li 7
Stosur 7.5
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 6

FITNESS
Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 7
Li 7
Stosur 8.5
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 9

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 7.5
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 6
Li 7
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 6.5
Petkovic 7

MENTALITY
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 8
Li 6
Stosur 6.5
Zvonareva 5
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 6

NETPLAY
Wozniacki -27
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 5
Li 7
Stosur 7 (doesn't really go to net as much as what she should)
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 6

FINESSE
Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 5.5
Li 6
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 5

Edy.
Dec 21st, 2011, 11:35 PM
FOREHAND
Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 8
Li 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7
BACKHAND
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 7
Li 8
Stosur 4
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 5
SERVE
Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 7
Li 7
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6
FITNESS
Wozniacki 10
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 8
Li 8
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 8
MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 6
Li 7
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7
MENTALITY
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 10
Li 9
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 5
NETPLAY
Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 8
Sharapova 4
Azarenka 7
Li 5
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 5
FINESSE
Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 8
Li 7
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

ALL TOGETHER:

WOZNIACKI 55
KVITOVA 67
AZARENKA 57
SHARAPOVA 58
LI 58
STOSUR 52
ZVONAREVA 53
RADWANSKA 55
BARTOLI 47
PETKOVIC 49

Cajka
Dec 21st, 2011, 11:49 PM
forehand

Woz 6
Petra 9
Vika 8
Sharapova 8
Li 7
Sam 9
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 7
Petko 7

backhand

Woz 8
Petra 8
Vika 7
Masha 9
Li 8
Sam 5
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 7
Petko 7

serve

Woz 7.5
Petra 8.5
Vika 7
Masha :confused:
Li 7.5
Sam 8.5
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 6.5
Bartoli 7.5
Petko 6

fitness

Woz 10
Kvitty 7
Retirenka 2
Shoulderpova 5
Li 9
Sam 9
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 5
Petko 10

movement

Woz 8.5
Kvit 6
Vika 8
Masha 6
Li 9
Sam 8
Vera 9
Radwanska 10
Bartoli 6.5
Petko 8

mentality

Woz 8
Petra 9
Vika 7
Masha 9
Li 8.5
Sam 8
Vera 5
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 9
Petko 8

netplay

Woz 4
Petra 9
Vika 6
Masha 5
Li 8
Sam 8
Vera 7.5
Radwanska 9.5
Bartoli 4
Petko 5

finesse

Woz 4
Petra 6
Vika 5
Masha 5
Li 7
Sam 6
Vera 8
Radwanska 10
Bartoli 4
Petko 3

sammy01
Dec 22nd, 2011, 12:07 AM
sob at the poster on page 1 who rated bartoli's serve the best in the top 10 ahead of kvitova :help:

Miss Amor
Dec 22nd, 2011, 12:18 AM
Yardstick -

Forehand - Steffi Graf
Backhand - Justine Henin Chris Evert
Serve - Serena Williams
Fitness - Kim Clijsters (2003)
Movement - Justine Henin Steffi Graf
Mentality - Serena Williams
Net - Martina Navratilova
Finesse - Martina Hingis

IMO

ExtremespeedX
Dec 22nd, 2011, 12:43 AM
FOREHAND
Wozniacki 2 - moonballin'
Kvitova 8.5
Azarenka 4
Sharapova 5
Li 5
Stosur 8.5
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska
Bartoli 0 - abomination
Petkovic 6

BACKHAND
Wozniacki 7.5
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 8.5
Li 8
Stosur 3 - horrendous
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 5

SERVE
Wozniacki 4 - and that's being generous
Kvitova 8.5
Azarenka 4
Sharapova 5
Li 5
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 5
Radwanska 4
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 5

FITNESS
Wozniacki 10 - moonballing for 3 hours takes a lot of stamina
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 3 - disgusting fitness, on-par with Faker before "gluten free" diet :o
Sharapova 7.5
Li 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 8.5
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6.5
Sharapova 5
Li 6
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 7.5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

MENTALITY
Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 8.5
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 6 - only shows mental strength against mugs
Li 6
Stosur 4 - she is a mental giant compared to Bepa
Zvonareva 2 - biggest mental midget in top 10 - she's Almagro of WTA tour :o
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 6.5
Petkovic 5

NETPLAY
Wozniacki 1 - the one time she comes to the net during the match, she manages to botch it.
Kvitova 7.5
Sharapova 5
Azarenka 5
Li 4
Stosur 6.5
Zvonareva 4
Radwanska 7.5
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 4

VARIETY
Wozniacki 1 - unless you count different kinds of moonballs as variety, then 10
Kvitova 7.5
Azarenka 2 - grinder
Sharapova 2 - baseline basher
Li 2 - grinder/ballbasher
Stosur 6.5
Zvonareva 2 - counterpunching baseline hugger
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 1 - unless we're talking about different types of desserts she consumes daily, then 11
Petkovic 2 - grinding mug

Miss Amor
Dec 22nd, 2011, 12:45 AM
Mostly based on this year's performance (Categories - FH/BH/Serve/Mentality/Movement/Fitness/Net play/Variety)


1/10

Wozniacki Variety (I hardly ever see a change up in her game, maybe it be pace changes/being less predictable with her shots/volleys etc.)


2/10

Wozniacki Net play


3/10

Na Li Net play


4/10

Azarenka Variety (Same was wozniacki, its all a one note hitting but at least she is sometimes willing to move forward)
Wozniacki Forehand (the no pace bunts sometime work in her favour, give her more time to recover and the opponent has to generate her own pace)
Stosur Backhand (the slice has made it some what of a decent shot)
Sharapova Movement
Petkovic Mentality
Petkovic Net Play


5/10

Kvitova Movement
Na Li Variety (She has improved in this department, there was more change of pace and topspin evident in her RG and AO runs.)
Azarenka Forehand
Azarenka Serve (Lame but consistent)
Azarenka Fitness (Her fitness is a real issue still, she has barely enough definition to be called a pro sportswoman)
Azarenka Mentality
Azarenka Netplay
Zvonareva Serve
Zvonareva Mentality
Stosur Movement
Stosur Variety
Sharapova Serve (inconsistent but still has a great second serve)
Sharapova Netplay
Sharapova Variety
Radwanska Forehand
Radwanska Serve
Bartoli Forehand
Bartoli Fitness
Petkovic Backhand
Petkovic Serve (decent but unreliable)
Bartoli Fitness
Bartoli Variety


6/10

Wozniacki Serve (makes a first serve most of the times on important points)
Azarenka Movement
Sharapova Forehand
Na Li Forehand
Na Li Movement
Stosur Mentality
Stosur Net play
Zvonareva forehand (I really like the way she changes the direction with her forehand, she goes on streaks where her forehand just doesn't miss, and has great depth and decent placement)
Zvonareva backhand
Radwanska Backhand
Radwanska Mentality
Radwanska Variety (For me variety isn't all about who can hit the dropshots or the lobs, its also about change of pace, change of game plan when needed and being less predictable. Radwanska can hit dropshots, but she is predictable.)
Petkovic Forehand
Petkovic Variety
Bartoli Backhand
Bartoli Serve
Bartoli Movement
Bartoli Mentality
Bartoli Net play


7/10

Wozniacki Backhand (she absorbs and redirects)
Wozniacki Mentality
Kvitova Forehand (its a great shot when on, but its inconsistent and a lot more surface dependant)
Kvitova Fitness
Kvitova Variety
Stosur Fitness
Azarenka Backhand
Sharapova Backhand
Sharapova Fitness (She has been relatively healthy and fit this year)
Sharapova Mentality
Radwanska Fitness
Na Li Serve
Na Li Mentality
Petkovic Movement
Zvonareva Fitness
Zvonareva Variety


8/10

Wozniacki Movement
Stosur Forehand
Stosur Serve
Kvitova Mentality
Kvitova Serve
Na Li Fitness
Radwanska Movement (its more like 8.5)
Zvonareva Movement
Zvonareva Net play
Petkovic Fitness


9/10


Kvitova Backhand
Na Li Backhand (When on, her backhand is just sublime, probably the best BH on tour right now when she is playing well. Also I pefer Peak Na's BH to Peak Petra's BH).
Wozniacki Fitness (Her stamina is unreal)


10/10

No GOAT/Perfect/Benchmark shot in this Top 10



Average of this WTA top 10 is somewhere between 5 and 6.

Excelscior
Dec 22nd, 2011, 01:44 AM
I agree with most of your ratings. :) Maybe would put Zvonareva behind Radwanska in terms of finesse.



That's the only aspect where I wouldn't rate Serena very high.

I was thinking the same thing.

Where's Serena's finesse (Shrugs)?

I could mention a couple of other things as well.

But I'll leave it alone. It's actually the current Top 10 list.

Excelscior
Dec 22nd, 2011, 02:17 AM
Originally Posted by bobito
Yardstick -

Forehand - Steffi Graf
Backhand - Justine Henin Chris Evert
Serve - Serena Williams
Fitness - Kim Clijsters (2003)
Movement - Justine Henin Steffi Graf
Mentality - Serena Williams
Net - Martina Navratilova
Finesse - Martina Hingis

IMO

Mmmhh. Funny/cute (though maybe true). :)

Excelscior
Dec 22nd, 2011, 02:27 AM
Very cute again Reetard, on how you changed it up on us, with your ranking.

goat
Dec 22nd, 2011, 02:48 AM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 8
Na 8
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7

BACKHAND

Wozniacki 7.5
Kvitova 7.5
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 8.5
Na 8.5
Stosur 5.5
Zvonareva 8.5
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 7.5

SERVE

Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7
Na 7.5
Stosur 8.5 (first) 10 (second)
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6 (so ugly)
Petkovic 7.5

FITNESS

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 6.5
Azarenka 6.5
Sharapova 7
Na 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 6 or 7 she is a fighter and suprisingly fit
Petkovic 9

MOVEMENT

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 7.5
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 6
Na 8
Stosur 7.5
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 8

MENTALITY

Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 8.5
Na 6.5
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7.5

NETPLAY

Wozniacki 3
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7.5
Sharapova 5
Na 6.5
Stosur 7.5
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

FINESSE

Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7.5
Sharapova 5
Na 6.5
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8.5
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7

sammy01
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:15 AM
Forehand -

Wozniacki - 3 - Horrible lack of acceleration through the ball when she has anything short to hit. it often lacks depth and sits up to be hit. her one huge positive is she moves very well onto her forehand.

Kvitova - 8 - knee to hip height balls petra spanks all over the court from a standing position. hooks the forehand crosscourt well on the run. don't think she has mastered balls rearing up at her on the forehand yet or taking it early to stop this (a la clijsters).

Azarenka - 5 - her weakest shot with the serve, lacks pace and angle, however she did show improvement vs rena at the us open and petra in the YEC taking it early thus making it more effective.

Sharapova - 6 - deffinately maria's weaker wing, she yanks up on it violently sometimes and causes it to balloon long. like petra hooks crosscourt forehands on the run pretty well. it doesn't look as damaging a shot as it once was though.

Na - 8 - she has a more round arm action where she throws her weight and elbow through the ball (similar to clijsters). it gets good width for her and has decent power. it feels smoother than the buckets of UE's she makes but i fear many of those come down to shot selection and footwork.

Stosur - 8.5 - it is a very reliable and a weapon which is rare in the wta these days. she gets great angle on both the crosscourt and inside out forehand. hits it best from the backhand corner, but doesn't move the best when running onto her forehand. it is too wristy and late prep for grass.

Zvonareva - 6.5 - a solid flat stroke, that is neither a world beater or a liability. she tends to hit down the line too much and doesn't get enough angle on it being as flat as it is.

Radwanska - 3.5 - it lacks any kind of acceleration, the only ball she can get any sort of pace on is the inside out forehand. i mark it .5 higher than wozniacki's because aga is better at squash shot forehand and droppers off that side.

Bartoli - 6 - it is what it is, flat with decent angle. is completely one paced though thus usually gives most girls a nice pace to work with and get used to.

Petkovic - 5 - much like bartoli it is flat and has some ok angle, she looks bad when being rushed on it though and the technique isn't great. very much a manufactured forehand in the mold of a dementieva.

Backhand -

Wozniacki - 8 - for all the limitations on the forehand the backhand could be a great shot. she uses lots of left hand that both gives her width and makes it hard to read. she doesnt use it as much as she should and cant slice to save her life with it.

Kvitova - 9 - for me the star of the petra show. when her footwork is ok she can both belt it flat down the line and with awesome angle. its end range power is scary and she can throw in the odd slice too.

Azarenka - 7.5 a fine crosscourt backhand that she can take early and play completely open stance with all the weight on her left leg. lacks variation as she has become such a high percentage cross court player these days. it is great on return though. lacks the angle wozniacki can get though.

Sharapova - 8 - while it is still a great shot it used to be better. she can still pull the trigger at will, but it leaks the odd few more errors than it used to.

Na - 8 - again na has a very rounded backhand that naturally creates great width (again similar to kim, they have very similar groundtrokes for me). she tends to be a little fool hardy going down the line on it and again her footwork isn't always in position for it.

Stosur - 3 - the only thing that saved this from a 2 is the slice has improved a bit the last year. it is still a huge weakness and you still know it will break down in crosscourt backhand rallies against just about all the top 10. has got slightly better at hitting it down the line which in turn usually stops the crosscourt backhand rallies that kill her.

Zvonareva - 7 - like the forehand it is a flat nice stroke, but lacks pace. goes down the line too much. has a decent slice for todays standard to.

Radwanska - 5 - her better side for sure, has some nifty drop shots on that side and mixing up play with slice. can take it early which she struggles to do on the forehand (she often takes the forehand late). it still lacks pace but is the side that makes up for it better than her forehand.

Bartoli - 5.5 - i can barely tell which is bartoli's forehand and which backhand they are so similar. the only advantage she has on the forehand is she can flick half decent 1 handed defense shots on the forehand, where as when she takes a hand off the backhand side she is doomed.

Petkovic - 5 - like petkovic's forehand i feel she takes it late thus when she is rushed on it it can look bad. again it is very much in the dementieva mold of a manufactured shot.

Serve -

Wozniacki - 6.5 - reliable if a little under-used. i always feel she could and should get more out of it, too content to roll in 1st serves. 2nd is average. medium paced and reliable much like her whole game.

Kvitova - 9.5 - cant give it the 10 yet, as i still rate serena's serve over it. she can hit all the corners, the lefty outwide serve is a killer. if she could get a great kicker to go with the outwide slice 2nd serve it could be amazing. i expect it to increase in speed a good 5mph average over the next couple of years.

Azarenka - 3 - she gets so few cheap points on it, has terrible placement. her basic plus points on serve are she gets a lot of 1st serves in and doesn't hit a lot of df's. beef it up or she will never get her hands near a slam.

Sharapova - 7 - in days of yore i would have had to give this a 9, but right now the df's and lack of killer big serves when it counts is hurting her big time. sharapova was such a clutch server in her 1st career, but since the comeback it just hasn't been the same.

Na - 7 - a part of li na's game that could be better. it is by no means a weak serve but it lacks variation and gets predictable. she is a strong girl and i never feel she gets the pace out of it she should.

Stosur - 9 - kvitova edges this for me because of variation. sam has a great serve, awesome kicker, but can get predictable. yep that kicker is hard to return on second serve but eventually the players get used to it. would like to see her mix up her 2nd serves more.

Zvonareva - 6.5 - she can hit nice aces down the middle, but she often falls off the serve because of the ball toss. it is a little safe and predictable.

Radwanska - 2 - i really cant give aga a higher score than that, it does nothing, it isn't very well placed. her 2nd serve screams hit me.

Bartoli - 5 - average pace, decent 1st serve. 2nd is just a carbon copy of the 1st only slower, which doesn't help to stop players from attacking it.

Petkovic - 5 - not crazy about this service action at all, i don't think it gives her the sort of pace she should get with her height and body. this has to improve if she wants to challenge the top players as she cant afford to be behind in points off her serve a lot.

Fitness -

Wozniacki - 9 - could probably tone up a little more but i don't think she lacks fitness. probably only 2nd to petkovic and clijsters in the ability to be the same at the end of a long 3 setter as the begining.

Kvitova - 6 - not their yet. needs more work, though every year she seems to have improved a bit. she needs to look at davenport 2005 and see what shape she got into and aim for it.

Azarenka - 3 - terrible, gets lazy in long 3 setters and that is when she manages to complete them. i'd always put my house on the likes of wozniacki and clijsters beating vika in a 3 set match as their movement and effort levels will stay high and vika's will slowly decrease. needs to build some leg muscle too to help her movement.

Sharapova - 7 - tends not to tire too much in long 3 setters.

Na - 8 - it has to be a long long 3 setter to get this woman to lose a step of pace. she is up their fitness wise. very very strong legs.

Stosur - 8.5 - fit and strong, though not the athlete she should be. i'm sure she could still get an extra step of pace out of herself especially running to the forehand.

Zvonareva - 8 - works very very hard and it shows. does tire a little deep in matches, though a lot of that might be down to mental tiredness as she makes life tough on herself.

Radwanska - 8 - pretty fit, just not very strong and it makes a difference deep in a 3rd set when you need to give that extra bit of strength to conjure something up.

Bartoli - 3 - same as vika, poor fitness and it shows in her tennis deep in matches.

Petkovic - 10 - fit as a butchers dog. an example to the rest of the tour about what can be achieved in the gym and getting the most out of your body.

Movement -

Wozniacki - 7.5 - overall movement is good but hasn't the quickest of footspeed.

Kvitova - 5 - it could still be a lot better. someone show her davenport in that 3rd set of the 2005 wimbledon final to see how much kvitova could push herself to get faster and fitter.

Azarenka - 6 - movement overall isn't too bad, could be a step quicker i think with the right amount of work put into the gym and movement drills.

Sharapova - 4 - it isn't ever going to be great, but she hurls herself around the court and tries. often looks very awkward.

Na - 7.5 - strong athlete, powerful mover, not the quickest of foot speed, but she does well.

Stosur - 6 - kind of a dissapointing mover for her body. she could surely get a step or 2 faster running to the forehand.

Zvonareva - 8.5 - excellent mover, has to be with the amount of court she leaves open constantly hitting down the lines.

Radwanska - 7 - moves well, positions herself well.

Bartoli - 4 - not very fast and restricted reach. terrible moving forward.

Petkovic - 7.5 - gets the most out of herself, what more can you ask for. not blessed with amazing footspeed but she has maximized what she has got.

Mentality -

Wozniacki - 7.5 - she has a mantality of hard work and believing in she can win doing what she does against 95% of the tour. you see when she faces a serena though she hasn't got the fight for it as she knows she hasn't got the game.

Kvitova - 8 - mentality to win is there, just needs to get her head around tempering her game when it is not working.

Azarenka - 8 - cant fault vika for trying, and her fight is huge. she wants it and tries hard for it. isn't scared or fears she is outmatched against serena or kim, which does her big favours.

Sharapova - 9 - she still fights and thinks like a champion. infact she is probably so blinkered she hasn't even considered she may not be the player she was ever again.

Na - 6 - is a big match player, but lets the little things get to her all too much.

Stosur - 6 - the robot has come out her shell slightly and that little bit of emotion helped her through that us open final. have to mentally be ready to get stuck in against these big girls and not let them mentally beat you into submission.

Zvonareva - 2 - horrible, so negative. doesn't believe she is a champion i'm sure, hence her pathetic finals record.

Radwanska - 7 - she has to be mentally strong to not let the weaknesses in her game get to her too much. knows each match she has to apply herself and keep with it mentally as she cant rely on any huge weapon to bail her out.

Bartoli - 8 - she is confident to the point of it seeming odd being ranked where she is. she is very single minded and it often gets her wins she shouldn't have had.

Petkovic - 4 - pretty weak mantally, struggles to keep together in tight matches.

Netplay and Finesse

Wozniacki - 1 - it just isn't part of her game at all. she never breaks up the play and her volleys are shocking. netplay and finesse don't fall into the grinders way of playing and i'm not sure she has the skill set to pull them off anyway.

Kvitova - 6 - pretty good for a player these days. decent drop shot and above average net play.

Azarenka - 3 - she at least tries to break the play up slightly, but it reminds me of when dementieva used to do it, it doesn't seem natural or look good.

Sharapova - 3 - pretty much the same as vika, will try it now and again, but it isn't the part of her game that will win her matches and it doesn't come naturally to her.

Na - 3.5 - pretty much the same as vika and maria, it just doesn't suit li and it probably never will and she isn't that great at net.

Stosur - 5 - she gives it a good go sometimes, but she can be a bit wooden handed. volleys can be so hit and miss though.

Zvonareva - 7 - has nice touches to her game such as drop shots, decent net play, low slices. probably one of the few women on tour who know they need to do it.

Radwanska - 8 - while it isn't hingis standard, she does her uttermost to break up play, use drop shots, volleys whenever she can, get players in uncomfortable positions on the court. the best lob volleys on tour.

Bartoli - 1 - she simpley has neither. her net play is bad unless a drive volley and she is the most 1 dimensional player i can think of.

Petkovic - 3 - tries bless her, but is wooden and it usually comes off botched. not a feel player at all.

i was bored and couldn't sleep :help:

Singleniacki
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:48 AM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki - 5 (its not the horrendous mess people make it out to be)
Kvitova - 8
Azarenka - 6
Sharapova - 7
Li - 6
Stosur - 9
Zvonareva - 7
Radwanska - 6
Bartoli - 6
Petkovic - 7

BACKHAND

Wozniacki - 8
Kvitova - 7
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 8
Li - 9
Stosur - 5
Zvonareva - 8
Radwanska - 6
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 6

SERVE

Wozniacki - 6.5
Kvitova - 8
Azarenka - 6
Sharapova - 7
Li - 6
Stosur - 8.5
Zvonareva - 7
Radwanska - 6
Bartoli - 8
Petkovic - 7

FITNESS

Wozniacki - 9
Kvitova - 7
Azarenka - 5
Sharapova - 7
Li - 6
Stosur - 8
Zvonareva - 9
Radwanska - 8
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 9

MOVEMENT

Wozniacki - 10
Kvitova - 7
Azarenka - 6
Sharapova - 6
Li - 6
Stosur - 6
Zvonareva - 10
Radwanska - 9
Bartoli - 6
Petkovic - 7

MENTALITY

Wozniacki - 9
Kvitova - 7
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 9
Li - 5
Stosur - 5
Zvonareva - 6
Radwanska - 8
Bartoli - 9
Petkovic - 7

NETPLAY

Wozniacki - 4
Kvitova - 8
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 6
Li - 4
Stosur - 7.5
Zvonareva - 9
Radwanska - 8
Bartoli - 3 (it's pretty bad, how did she get a slam SF in doubles :sobbing:)
Petkovic - 7

FINESSE

Wozniacki - 5
Kvitova - 7
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 5.5
Li - 5
Stosur - 6
Zvonareva - 8
Radwanska - 9
Bartoli - 5 (basing this off her ability to create angles)
Petkovic - 6

traxillo
Dec 22nd, 2011, 04:50 PM
FOREHAND
Wozniacki 3
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7
Li 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 7

BACKHAND
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 9
Li 9
Stosur 4
Zvonareva 9
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 9
Petkovic 5

SERVE
Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 6 (All these DFs)
Li 6
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 6

FITNESS
Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 8
Li 8
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 10

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 5
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 4
Li 7
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 8

MENTALITY
Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 9
Li 5
Stosur 4
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 4

NETPLAY
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 7
Li 7
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 3
Petkovic 6

FINESSE
Wozniacki 3
Kvitova 5
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 5
Li 6
Stosur 3
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 3
Petkovic 4

Corswandt
Dec 26th, 2011, 01:13 AM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki - 3 - lack of racquethead speed makes her unable to generate pace, lack of natural timing makes it a big liability on ROS.
Kvitova - 8 - superb timing and effortless pace when she's given the time to fully unleash it, and also better at improvisation than her BH side. Can hit a flat, deep or angled ball even when on the run from this side. Extremely difficult to handle on any fast and/or low bouncing surface. Can be deadly on ROS.
Azarenka - 5 - can only loop it back when attacked with deep, powerful shots, and almost never hits through it properly, but it's reliable, accurate and good enough for the sort of grinding game she plays.
Sharapova - 5 - a massive liability that costs her matches; falls completely apart when forced to handle powerful pace, unable to hit it with authority. Downgraded into a rally shot, and an unreliable one at that.
Na - 7 - a solid, compact shot that she can hit with a good mix of power and spin. Not as reliable as her BH.
Stosur - 9 - a very big weapon on most surfaces. Still unique on the women's game in its blend of raw power and heavy spin.
Zvonareva - 6 - a flat and accurate shot that once seemed to have the potential to become an actual weapon or close to it; excellent at redirecting pace and opening angles, but lacks raw power (hence lower grade).
Radwanska - 2 - an all-arm, technically flawed puffball that completely lacks any kind of heaviness and often even depth. Also less reliable than her BH.
Bartoli - 7 - flat, accurate and very reliable, even if not a kill shot by today's standards.
Petkovic - 5 - looks less powerful than it really is due to conservative shot placement; but flawed technique and full western grip makes it prone to completely break down at the slightest hint of pressure.

BACKHAND

Wozniacki - 6 - a dependable rally shot that she can hit for hours on end without making a single error. Far from being anything close to a kill shot though.
Kvitova - 8 on average - a holy terror when her footwork is anywhere near an acceptable level as she manages to take full swings at anything, no matter how fast and how low it may be skidding towards her, take it early and send it back deep, flat and as fast as a rocket (10); technically flawless and just heavenly to look at. When her footwork is off, she quickly loses confidence in her BH as it begins to leak errors and she stops hitting through it (6).
Azarenka - 8 - technically flawless and exceedingly accurate, excellent at absorbing and redirecting pace, superb on ROS, but lacks the raw pace required for a higher grade.
Sharapova - 7 - still an excellent, fluid shot, but not as clutch or decisive as it once was due to the overall deterioration of her footwork and game as a whole.
Na - 8 - excellent, very compact, technically sound swing that generates good racquethead speed and heavy pace.
Stosur - 4 - the obvious weakness in her game; woeful footwork makes for a stiff and overall extremely poor shot; she only has a shot against quality opposition when her BH slice is deep and accurate enough to make up for it, which doesn't happen as often as she'd like, or when she's confident enough to just hit the damn thing, consequences be damned (GOATsur mode).
Zvonareva - 8 - nowadays it's her best shot; a wonder of in terms of control, accuracy and ability to shift the direction of the ball. But (again) not up to the standards of raw pace we (still) expect from Slam winners.
Radwanska - 6 - the only groundstroke she can hit with even a modicum of authority; decent depth and versatility.
Bartoli - 7 - see above for FH.
Petkovic - 7 - BH CC can be a rocket, but overal efficiency negated by tendency to play high % and consequent conservative placement. A good, powerful shot nonetheless.

SERVE

Wozniacki - 6 - has deteriorated significantly over the past year or so, losing raw pace and even some of its once rock solid reliability.
Kvitova - 8 - not the WMD it could be as it still lacks raw pace; but she makes intelligent use of what she has, either going for broke to win points outright or exchanging a measure of pace and placement for a higher % that still allows her to set up and finish points quickly on faster surfaces (e.g. her serving at the YEC).
Azarenka - 4 - trades pace for a very high %, but aggressive returners tend to eat it for breakfast at crunch time, be it 1st or 2nd. Can be used to set up quick points against low quality opposition, but can't be relied upon to hold up when it's time to close out sets or matches, and usually earns her zero free points.
Sharapova - 5 - 1st serve is adequate, even if she chooses spin over pace these days. 2nd serve is all or nothing, and often nothing when it matters the most. Didn't cost her as many matches as her ruined FH did throughout 2011, but it's still a liability.
Na - 6 - just spins it in with average pace and placement most of the time; very solid, but wins her too few free points for 2011 standards.
Stosur - 9 - tall players may have no problems with her 2nd serve kickers, but her 1st serve is a major weapon on any surface and against any opponent.
Zvonareva - 7 - reliable and about as good as it can be considering her size; she can hold serve fairly easily against poor to average returners as her 2nd serve has excellent placement.
Radwanska - 4 - 1st serve can actually earn her a few free points as it's fairly well placed, but her 2nd serve remains a puffball that just sits up and screams "hit me" and has lost her many matches. Even her 1st serve can be attacked with success by aggressive returners.
Bartoli - 6 - has become something close to a weapon, but her latest tendency to just hit another 1st serve on 2nd leads her to way too many DFs.
Petkovic - 7 - somewhat underrated; fairly powerful even if liable to fall apart when under pressure, as is the rest of her game.

FITNESS

Wozniacki - 10 - Woz systematically relies on her superior fitness to outlast even lower ranked opponents - this is unlike anything we've seen before from a top player.
Kvitova - 7 - good enough for the sort of game she plays.
Azarenka - 6 - her generic game is only effective when played with an extremely high level of intensity and commitment, and so far her resilience and stamina have often shown not to be up to the task.
Sharapova - 8 - couldn't be better considering her size and build. It has allowed her to become much more of a grinder in her second career.
Na - 7 - good, even if she has been showing signs of physical decline since even before her RG title.
Stosur - 9 - as fit as can be, keeps up her level throughout marathon matches with ease.
Zvonareva - 7 - can be worn out and outlasted by good defenders, even though her legendary collapses are due much more to mental meltdowns than to physical exhaustion.
Radwanska - 9 - the game she plays requires very high fitness levels, and she has them.
Bartoli - 3 - poor, but she tries to make up for her shortcomings on this regard by pumping herself up into a crazed trance-like state during long, physically draining matches - and it often works.
Petkovic - 9 - excellent.

MOVEMENT

Wozniacki - 9 - not as fast as she looks in terms of raw footspeed, but her ability to quickly shift directions and her first step are superb, and her ability to slow down the pace of the rallies does the rest.
Kvitova - 4 - very poor; clumsy footwork. Fortunately for her, the game she plays doesn't really require much in the way of scrambling, and she moves very well for her size on grass.
Azarenka - 5 - not poor in itself, but certainly not good enough for the grinding game she plays, which requires much more in terms of footspeed and retrieving skills.
Sharapova - 5 - has deteriorated significantly since her prime, all the more so as the game she plays nowadays is much more demanding on this regard.
Na - 8 - deceptively good; not a sprinter, but second to none in terms of allowing her to play high pace rallies.
Stosur - 5 - good enough to allow her to play a modicum of defense, but nowhere near as good as you'd expect considering how aggressively fit she looks.
Zvonareva - 7 - has improved to the extent that retrieving has become a viable game plan against lower tier opposition; low centre of gravity helps her change directions fairly quickly, but it's probably still not good enough to base her whole game around it.
Radwanska - 9 - lightweight build allows her to be quick to shift directions and to move forward, very agile even if not the typical explosive/athletic mover.
Bartoli - 4 - stomps around the court flat footed; completely lacking in agility and very easy to wrongfoot; the top player against whom it's easiest to hit winners from the baseline.
Petkovic - 7 - footspeed is merely average, but makes up for it through her strength and athleticism.

MENTALITY

Wozniacki - 7 - overrated in the sense that she often has trouble holding on to leads and/or closing out matches on her serve and we've seen quite a few collapses in high stakes matches, yet still good in that her work ethic is unbelievable and she seems willing to play long, draining matches all year even against the lowliest opposition if that's what it takes to win.
Kvitova - 10 - a natural born champion, one of the Tour's best big match players. Unphased even by the most boneheaded errors and worst missed chances, (almost) never loses confidence in her own game, relishes playing on the big stage.
Azarenka - 10 - her ability to soldier on even after career setbacks that would have finished most mortals is astonishing, and more than offsets the (overstated) tendency for oncourt meltdowns she had until recently. Rock solid in consistently and easily beating scrubs.
Sharapova - 8 - still a great competitor, but her (repeatedly) patched up technique on her FH and serve are now quite likely to let her down at crunch time, and she's no longer the fearsome clutch player she once was.
Na - 4 - her collapses are unexpected, sudden, and absolute. Keeping it together at this year's AO and RG was the exception rather than the rule.
Stosur - 7 - deceptively strong mentally for such a low-key player. Reputation as a choker mostly undeserved.
Zvonareva - 4 - completely unable to raise her game at crunch time (even if largely on account of her limitations in terms of raw power), and she knows it, and it shows.
Radwanska - 7 - mostly unflappable, and it's not like increased levels of intensity would help her raise her game.
Bartoli - 10 - has become way tougher to beat than her shortcomings would suggest. Her overall level of competitiveness and intensity throughout 2011 was insane.
Petkovic - 3 - for all her oncourt bravado, a wimp who consistently crumbles under pressure.

NETPLAY

Wozniacki - 5 - reasonably effective when her complete lack of touch is considered; a good way to finish points off considering her inability to force a decision from the baseline (even though her attritional game plan means "finishing points" ranks very low on her list of priorities).
Kvitova - 7 - very good considering how clumsy and cumbersome she is for the most; but she makes up for it by having a big wingspan and above all good instincts when choosing the moment to approach the net, and the fact that her powerful ground game will earn her many floaters that she can put away there.
Azarenka - 5 - lacks the raw power to hit proper approach shots, and when she tries to move forward to finish off points with drive volleys the results can be comical.
Sharapova - 6 - no netplay in the traditional sense, but still puts away a lot of balls with drive volleys.
Na - 6 - adequate in the few occasions she makes her way into the net.
Stosur - 4 - nowhere near as effective as you'd think considering her doubles credentials, largely on account of poor footwork and lack of agility rather than lack of touch.
Zvonareva - 7 - a very good volleyer who doesn't get a higher grade due to her reluctance to move forward and absence of a midcourt game (and to have a shot at beating good defenders she has to make her way into the court and put away floaters with drive volleys, something she doesn't do as often as she should).
Radwanska - 6 - not as good as you'd expect considering her excellent touch due to her inability to generate the pace required for effective approach shots; in (low pace) cute touch shot exchanges at the net she has no equals in today's game though.
Bartoli - 0 - gets pwned time and again by clever opponents who lure her into the net.
Petkovic - 5 - athleticism and determination goes a (little) way to compensate for her lack of touch and flair.

FINESSE

Wozniacki - 0 - her attempts at touch shots are crimes against tennis; next to nothing in the the way of feel.
Kvitova - 7 - has a measure of natural touch, unlike most of her fellow big bashers, but above all makes excellent use of what she has by using BH slices to break up the pace of rallies when she's struggling to keep up or by finishing points at the net with traditional volleys.
Azarenka - 7 - deals superbly with her opponents' junk, even if she makes very little use of it herself as her instincts run contrary to breaking the pace in rallies.
Sharapova - 0 - never had any of it, to the extent that it quickly became one of her defining traits.
Na - 4 - decent - for a one-dimensional player.
Stosur - 3 - clumsy footwork makes her attempts at touch shots mostly cringeworthy.
Zvonareva - 8 - being able to control the ball and hit it accurately even under the strongest gale or in the middle of the most hectic high-paced rallies and/or when out of balance also = touch. Hence the grade.
Radwanska - 10 - astonishing hands on the defense; anything she can lay her racquet on she can moonball/block/bunt/slice/push back to her opponents' side of the court.
Bartoli - 0 - hands of stone.
Petkovic - 2 - her game has nothing in the way of flair.

cowsonice
Dec 26th, 2011, 02:52 AM
MENTALITY
Kvitova - 10 - a natural born champion, one of the Tour's best big match players. Unphased even by the most boneheaded errors and worst missed chances, (almost) never loses confidence in her own game, relishes playing on the big stage.
Azarenka - 10 - her ability to soldier on even after career setbacks that would have finished most mortals is astonishing, and more than offsets the (overstated) tendency for oncourt meltdowns she had until recently. Rock solid in consistently and easily beating scrubs.

I don't understand how you can put these two on the same level of mentality. Azarenka's mentality is far less superior than Kvitova's as seen in her rather frequent retirements and her tantrums (although those appear less frequently than before)

Slutiana
Dec 26th, 2011, 03:11 AM
I'm not even going to bother following up Corswandt's post with one of my own because it is (almost :lol:) completely spot on. The only things I differ on.

FOREHAND

Na - 5 - certainly an effective shot when confident, but always her first shot to break down and the catalyst for the rest of her game to fall apart. She is generally one of the most all-round technically solid players around but her forehand follow-through is criminal and is the reason she mistimes so many balls off that side.
Radwanska - 4 - still all-arm and horrendous to watch, but an improved shot by the end of 2011. A handful of memorable clutch forehand winners won her both the Beijing and Tokyo titles this year.
Stosur - 8 - Stunning on attack. However, she struggles with flatter and lower-bouncing balls and her forehand is a completely useless defensive shot (due to both poor movement to that side and her flawed technique). Also has a notorious tendency to mistime and shank on both sides.

Serve

Stosur - 7 - a devastating stroke and one of the biggest weapons on the WTA when firing. However, both first and second serves remain far too predictable and one-dimensional. Tall players have no problems against her and solid returners (Azarenka, Pennetta etc.) easily neutralize the serve by stepping in and taking it on the rise. After falling down 0-5 against Stosur at the US Open, Kirilenko - in complete desperation - began to stand inside the baseline to return Stosur's serve and quickly realised how much easier it was. She may have eventually lost the match, but she took that experience into her next matches against Stosur and won both. Stosur's serve is as much a mental weapon as it is a physical one.

Mentality

Sharapova - 10 - many call this aspect of Sharapova's game overrated, but she currently has that infamous serve, a backhand that is only a weapon when hitting crosscourt, a completely erratic and unreliable forehand, non-existent variety and movement that has completely deteriorated in her second career (despite her being notoriously slow even before her injury break). All that, and yet (in hindsight) she so easily could have finished #1 had she not sprained her ankle. Her mental strength and determination dragged her through so many tight spots this year and if it wasn't for that hunger and determination she would likely be lying on a beach somewhere without a care in the world.

NETPLAY

Azarenka - 7 - the idea that doubles success automatically leads to great volleys in singles is generally a myth, but it has certainly helped her. She has very solid technique on both sides, and since she partnered up with Kirilenko she has been more and more willing to move forward and finish points off at net. By no means anything special in the forecourt (drive volley is always her first plan when approaching), but she has decent knowledge of how to defend the net and is capable of making some difficult volleys.

Finesse

Sharapova - 3 - a three because she has surprisingly delicate hands and great technique when she does attempt dropshots. Aside from that? Ha ha ha.

Also, my own 'Yardstick':

Forehand - Steffi Graf
Backhand - Chris Evert
Serve - Serena Williams
Fitness - Steffi Graf
Movement - Venus Williams (pre-2003 abdominal strain)
Mentality - Serena Williams
Net - Martina Navratilova
Finesse - Martina Hingis

Israel
Dec 26th, 2011, 09:40 AM
FOREHAND
Wozniacki - 5
Kvitova - 9
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 7
Na - 7
Stosur - 9
Zvonareva - 6
Radwanska - 6
Bartoli - which is which? I'll just write 7 lol
Petkovic - 7.5

BACKHAND
Wozniacki - 8
Kvitova - 7
Azarenka - 9
Sharapova - 8
Na - 6
Stosur - 6 (really improved it)
Zvonareva - 8
Radwanska - 6
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 5

SERVE
Wozniacki - 6
Kvitova - 9
Azarenka - 6
Sharapova - 6
Na - 7
Stosur - 8
Zvonareva - 7
Radwanska - 5
Bartoli - 8
Petkovic - 6

FITNESS
Wozniacki - 10
Kvitova - 7
Azarenka - 5
Sharapova - 5
Na - 6
Stosur - 7
Zvonareva - 8
Radwanska - 9
Bartoli - 5
Petkovic - 8

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki - 10
Kvitova - 6
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 5
Na - 7
Stosur - she moved well in Flushing Meadows so 7
Zvonareva - 7
Radwanska - 10
Bartoli - 5
Petkovic - 6

MENTALITY
Wozniacki - 6
Kvitova - 9
Azarenka - 5
Sharapova - 7
Na - 5
Stosur - 7
Zvonareva - 2
Radwanska - 8
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 8

NETPLAY
Wozniacki - 5
Kvitova - 8
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 4
Na - 7
Stosur - 6
Zvonareva - 7
Radwanska - 8
Bartoli - 3
Petkovic - 5

FINESSE
Wozniacki - 5
Kvitova - 8
Azarenka - 6
Sharapova - 4
Na - 5
Stosur - 5
Zvonareva - 3
Radwanska - 8
Bartoli - 3
Petkovic - 5

Corswandt
Dec 26th, 2011, 12:16 PM
I'm not even going to bother following up Corswandt's post with one of my own because it is (almost :lol:) completely spot on. The only things I differ on.

You could have given all the grades even if you didn't have the time to do the full writeup.

Someone on Twitter just went "WTF - make an average and Zvonareva comes out on top". I'm not surprised; she plays the game the way it's supposed to be played. What I should have done was to dock a point to each of her groundstrokes on account of lack of raw power - which for instance also prevents her from returning serve aggressively. Only did so for her FH, as her BH really was outstanding all through the late season.

Break My Rapture
Dec 26th, 2011, 12:37 PM
I don't understand how you can put these two on the same level of mentality. Azarenka's mentality is far less superior than Kvitova's as seen in her rather frequent retirements and her tantrums (although those appear less frequently than before)
Corswandt is perfectly right on both accounts. Even though his criteria and arguments are very different for both Kvitova and Azarenka, he attains valid points.

Sean.
Dec 26th, 2011, 12:45 PM
You could have given all the grades even if you didn't have the time to do the full writeup.

Someone on Twitter just went "WTF - make an average and Zvonareva comes out on top". I'm not surprised; she plays the game the way it's supposed to be played. What I should have done was to dock a point to each of her groundstrokes on account of lack of raw power - which for instance also prevents her from returning serve aggressively. Only did so for her FH, as her BH really was outstanding all through the late season.

Take away the 'mental' aspect and her average is leagues ahead of the rest!

I have to say though, she can't do it often but, on occasion she can really rifle a CC BH - it's obviously not as hard as the likes of Kvitova but it's nothing to be sniffed at considering her height! Take a look: [1] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78uQHXoHCI&t=1m37s)[2] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78uQHXoHCI&t=2m25s)[3] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78uQHXoHCI&t=3m05s)[4] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78uQHXoHCI&t=4m50s). I recommend watching the whole highlight reel though. :worship:

The number of times a match she hits the baseline with her backhand is incredible. :drool:

sammy01
Dec 26th, 2011, 01:03 PM
my averages worked out like this -

wozniacki - 6
kvitova - 7.3
azerenka - 5.1
sharapova - 6.3
li - 6.9
stosur - 7.3
vera - 6.6
aga - 5.8
bartoli - 4.6
petko - 5.6


so my top 10 goes -

=1.kvitova
=1.stosur
3.li
4.zvonareva
5.sharapova
6.wozniacki
7.radwanska
8.petkovic
9.azerenka
10.bartoli

i didn't deliberately rank vika low, though it does go along with my theory she has just turned herself into miss percentage tennis queen.

Miss Amor
Dec 26th, 2011, 01:06 PM
The averages don't really work because some aspects are more important than others and the average score treats them all equally. Stuff like mentality and serve is much more important than finesse and Net play.

The Dawntreader
Dec 26th, 2011, 01:06 PM
You have to kind of see beneath the surface to start picking holes in someone like Zvonareva's game. Ostensibly, she resembles the complete article, with no real obvious deficiencies.

Obviously though when you analyse her against players with more obvious strengths, you see where she falls short.

Miss Amor
Dec 26th, 2011, 01:09 PM
I'm not even going to bother following up Corswandt's post with one of my own because it is (almost :lol:) completely spot on. The only things I differ on.

FOREHAND

Na - 5 - certainly an effective shot when confident, but always her first shot to break down and the catalyst for the rest of her game to fall apart. She is generally one of the most all-round technically solid players around but her forehand follow-through is criminal and is the reason she mistimes so many balls off that side.
Radwanska - 4 - still all-arm and horrendous to watch, but an improved shot by the end of 2011. A handful of memorable clutch forehand winners won her both the Beijing and Tokyo titles this year.
Stosur - 8 - Stunning on attack. However, she struggles with flatter and lower-bouncing balls and her forehand is a completely useless defensive shot (due to both poor movement to that side and her flawed technique). Also has a notorious tendency to mistime and shank on both sides.

Serve

Stosur - 7 - a devastating stroke and one of the biggest weapons on the WTA when firing. However, both first and second serves remain far too predictable and one-dimensional. Tall players have no problems against her and solid returners (Azarenka, Pennetta etc.) easily neutralize the serve by stepping in and taking it on the rise. After falling down 0-5 against Stosur at the US Open, Kirilenko - in complete desperation - began to stand inside the baseline to return Stosur's serve and quickly realised how much easier it was. She may have eventually lost the match, but she took that experience into her next matches against Stosur and won both. Stosur's serve is as much a mental weapon as it is a physical one.

Mentality

Sharapova - 10 - many call this aspect of Sharapova's game overrated, but she currently has that infamous serve, a backhand that is only a weapon when hitting crosscourt, a completely erratic and unreliable forehand, non-existent variety and movement that has completely deteriorated in her second career (despite her being notoriously slow even before her injury break). All that, and yet (in hindsight) she so easily could have finished #1 had she not sprained her ankle. Her mental strength and determination dragged her through so many tight spots this year and if it wasn't for that hunger and determination she would likely be lying on a beach somewhere without a care in the world.

NETPLAY

Azarenka - 7 - the idea that doubles success automatically leads to great volleys in singles is generally a myth, but it has certainly helped her. She has very solid technique on both sides, and since she partnered up with Kirilenko she has been more and more willing to move forward and finish points off at net. By no means anything special in the forecourt (drive volley is always her first plan when approaching), but she has decent knowledge of how to defend the net and is capable of making some difficult volleys.

Finesse

Sharapova - 3 - a three because she has surprisingly delicate hands and great technique when she does attempt dropshots. Aside from that? Ha ha ha.

Also, my own 'Yardstick':

Forehand - Steffi Graf
Backhand - Chris Evert
Serve - Serena Williams
Fitness - Steffi Graf
Movement - Venus Williams (pre-2003 abdominal strain)
Mentality - Serena Williams
Net - Martina Navratilova
Finesse - Martina Hingis

So according to you, Sharapova and Serena's mental strength are equal (as she has a 10 and serena being the yardstick has a 10 too.) Same goes for some of the'10' scores you are agreeing with in Croswandt's list.

That was the main reason I didn't give a 10 to any of the shots in this list.

Corswandt
Dec 26th, 2011, 01:13 PM
I didn't set yardsticks; I tried to rate all the aspects according to what I feel the game the players actually play would require. The exception is serve, where I think I tried to more of an "absolute" than a "relative" rating, and Wozniacka's grades, for which I took into account what we expect from an undisputed World #1. :devil:

sammy01
Dec 26th, 2011, 01:15 PM
The averages don't really work because some aspects are more important than others and the average score treats them all equally. Stuff like mentality and serve is much more important than finesse and Net play.

well that depends, if you have great finesse and net play it should be your aim as a tennis player to make those parts of your game to be just as important when you play as a forehand. wozniacki is a workhorse and often turns matches into phsyical duels of not only fitness but being mentally fit to keep plugging away and applying the same respect and due to each point, which plays into her strengths.

Break My Rapture
Dec 26th, 2011, 01:18 PM
Take away the 'mental' aspect and her average is leagues ahead of the rest!

I have to say though, she can't do it often but, on occasion she can really rifle a CC BH - it's obviously not as hard as the likes of Kvitova but it's nothing to be sniffed at considering her height! Take a look: [1] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78uQHXoHCI&t=1m37s)[2] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78uQHXoHCI&t=2m25s)[3] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78uQHXoHCI&t=3m05s)[4] (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m78uQHXoHCI&t=4m50s). I recommend watching the whole highlight reel though. :worship:

The number of times a match she hits the baseline with her backhand is incredible. :drool:
Yeah Zvonareva's BH is stunningly accurate. I think I rated her BH highest out of the top 10.

The Dawntreader
Dec 26th, 2011, 01:29 PM
Yeah Zvonareva's BH is stunningly accurate. I think I rated her BH highest out of the top 10.

Accuracy is fine, but without the firepower it's fairly underpowered.

Heck, even Azarenka was besting Zvonareva in terms of length, pace, accuracy in their Miami encounter.

Singleniacki
Dec 26th, 2011, 01:30 PM
Just to add to the Zvonareva debate, I've stated a few times my opinion that she is the perfect "peak" player (apart from Serena.) I think she is the best defender on tour, at least, she has the quickest foot-speed. She has the game to be aggressive (good placement and adequate power of both wings) as well as crafty (nice slice and great volleys). Her serve is comparatively strong, as someone has mentioned she has no obvious weaknesses. When you watch her play, she generally is just too defensive (sometimes too aggressive) and without the super-consistency of Wozniacki, she can be beaten playing that game.

Fantasy Hero
Dec 26th, 2011, 01:59 PM
FOREHAND
Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 8 (would be higher, but it lets her down often -see USO)
Azarenka 7.5
Sharapova 7.5
Na 8 (same as Kvitova)
Stosur 8.5 (surely her biggest weapon, but it's not like it's unstoppable)
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 5 (accurate, that's all you can give her credits for that shot)
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 7.5

BACKHAND
Wozniacki 8.5
Kvitova 8.5
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 8
Na 7
Stosur 4.5 (i rate it slightly better than Caro's FH)
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 7.5 (it lacks the raw power to be a bigger weapon)
Bartoli 7.5
Petkovic 7

SERVE
Wozniacki 6.5
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 6.8
Sharapova 6.5
Na 6.8
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6.5

FITNESS
Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 7
Na 8
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 7
Petkovic 8.5

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 9
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 8
Sharapova 6.5
Na 8
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8.5
Bartoli 7.5
Petkovic 8

MENTALITY
Wozniacki 8.2
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7.5
Na 6.5
Stosur 6.5
Zvonareva 4
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 8
Petkovic 7

NETPLAY
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 5
Na 4
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 7

FINESSE
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 3
Na 7
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 4
Petkovic 7

Slutiana
Dec 26th, 2011, 02:18 PM
Did my own list. Some are probably different to even what I posted yesterday. :lol:

FOREHAND
Wozniacki - 4
Kvitova - 9
Azarenka - 6
Sharapova - 6
Na - 5
Stosur - 8
Zvonareva - 6
Radwanska - 4
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 6

BACKHAND
Wozniacki - 7 - very much overrated. Solid and reliable but by no means a kill shot and she chooses her moments to be aggressive so carefully because it isn't that good. Her technique is uncomfortable and ungainly on the front foot.
Kvitova - 8 - rifle and probably more dependable than her forehand.
Azarenka - 8
Sharapova - 8
Na - 8
Stosur - 5 - slice has improved and is now a very good chop. BH is still crap but has improved enough to the point where it does have some good moments.
Zvonareva - 8 - seamless timing and beautiful technique. Effective both CC and DTL. Also love the way she moves into it.
Radwanska - 6
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 7

SERVE
Wozniacki - 6 - it used to be the one part of her game that gave her a few free points. Not in 2011.
Kvitova - 8 - still so much room for improvement. A huge weapon on fast courts but vulnerable elsewhere.
Azarenka - 4 - puffball.
Sharapova - 6 - is still an effective shot when it goes in. Particularly her second serve.
Na - 6
Stosur - 8
Zvonareva - 7 - underrated. Great placement, decent power and very solid.
Radwanska - 5
Bartoli - 7 - one of the few I really struggled with. Looked like it was becoming a huge weapon (both 1st and second serves) and then randomly began to spit out DF after DF. Who knows what it will be in 2011.
Petkovic - 6 - atrocious for someone as tall, strong and athletic for her. But just average overall.

FITNESS
Wozniacki - 10
Kvitova - 7
Azarenka - 5
Sharapova - 8
Na - 7
Stosur - 9
Zvonareva - 7
Radwanska - 9
Bartoli - 6 - has shifted a lot of weight and finally worked herself into shape. Players are supposed to use the time between points to catch their breath and relax before the next point, instead she simply exherts even more energy. That routine (in addition to her game being so grueling and tiring on the body and her playing so much) should make it impossible for her to win three setters, and yet she does.
Petkovic - 9

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki - 8 - overrated. Very agile but her footspeed is average at best. Her anticipation on the other hand...
Kvitova - 4
Azarenka - 5
Sharapova - 5
Na - 7
Stosur - 5
Zvonareva - 7 - lost a step in 2011, but still a very good defensive player overall.
Radwanska - 8 - not a great amount of footspeed but but very smooth mover, and like Wozniacki, she knows where to move to.
Bartoli - 3
Petkovic - 6

MENTALITY
Wozniacki - 7 - overrated. Her gamestyle means that she wins a lot of matches by waiting for the inevitable melt down from the various WTA headcases and people often mistake it for mental strength. Still not confident enough in herself to do it without Piotr shouting at her every 5 games, and that 'secret coaching' debacle also showed just how mentally insecure she is about her tennis.
Kvitova - 10 - champion.
Azarenka - 9 - much improved. Has always been a fighter but conversely a notorious headcase. That change in mentality early in 2011 has done wonders for her mental strength. Very rarely gets frustrated nowadays unless she's playing Sharapova.
Sharapova - 10 - still a champion's mentality, even if her game is in pieces.
Na - 5 -
Stosur - 7
Zvonareva - 2
Radwanska - 8
Bartoli - 9 - dragged herself into the RG SF on mentality alone. Serena may have been vulnerable at Wimbledon, but the way she approached that match mentally was impressive by any standard.
Petkovic - 8

NETPLAY
Wozniacki - 4.5 - she's always willing to come forward for an easy putaway, and is surprisingly confident at the net. But her volleying technique is some of the most atrocious I have ever seen in s top 100 player, let alone the #1. Give her a difficult volley and the response is always a (generally) atrociously played drop volley. Club-level stuff.
Kvitova - 8 - great hands and feel, fearless at the net, covers and defends it (long limbs etc.) extremely well. Clearly looking to make it a big part of her game.
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 4
Na - 4 - still have nightmares over that AO final.
Stosur - 5 - doubles success =/= great volleys in singles.
Zvonareva - 7 - underrated. Has nice feel and isn't ever afraid to move forward and play some very difficult volleys.
Radwanska - 9 - great hands, instincts etc.
Bartoli - 3 - lol.
Petkovic - 5

FINESSE
Wozniacki - 0
Kvitova - 8 - nice dropshots, great feel at the net, beautiful slice.
Azarenka - 6 - handles junk well, decent at using opponents' pace against them. By no means outstanding.
Sharapova - 3 - nice dropshots. Nothing else.
Na - 2
Stosur - 5
Zvonareva - 8 - very nice touch, handskills and redirects pace better than practically anyone aside from non-2011 Jankovic. An expert in windy conditions which is a litmus test for how good your hands really are.
Radwanska - 10 - expert.
Bartoli - 0
Petkovic - 2

So according to you, Sharapova and Serena's mental strength are equal (as she has a 10 and serena being the yardstick has a 10 too.) Same goes for some of the'10' scores you are agreeing with in Croswandt's list.

That was the main reason I didn't give a 10 to any of the shots in this list.
:lol: You're right. I definitely wasn't measuring them as based on those players. It was more relative to the rest of the active players.

That was more just my list of those who I consider the best ever in each category.

Patrick345
Dec 26th, 2011, 06:22 PM
Averages

Kvitova 7.75
Sharapova 7.125
Zvonareva 7.0
Radwanska 7.0
Na Li 6.625
Stosur 6.625
Petkovic 6.25
Wozniacki 6.125
Bartoli 6.0
Azarenka 5.75

Radwanska and Zvonareva have these high averages imho, because they are strong on variety and netplay, where most players suck. Unfortunately for them those are pretty useless qualities compared to power.

A'DAM
Dec 26th, 2011, 08:25 PM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki - 4
Kvitova - 8
Azarenka - 5
Sharapova - 5
Li - 6
Stosur - 8
Zvonareva - 5
Radwanska - 3
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 6

BACKHAND

Wozniacki - 6.5
Kvitova - 8
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 6.5
Li - 7.5
Stosur - 4
Zvonareva - 7.5
Radwanska - 5
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 7

SERVE

Wozniacki - 6
Kvitova - 7.5
Azarenka - 4
Sharapova - 6
Li - 6
Stosur - 8
Zvonareva - 6
Radwanska - 4
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 6

FITNESS

Wozniacki - 8.5
Kvitova - 6
Azarenka - 3
Sharapova - 5
Li - 6
Stosur - 7.5
Zvonareva - 7
Radwanska - 7
Bartoli - 6
Petkovic - 8

MOVEMENT

Wozniacki - 8
Kvitova - 6 (factoring in footwork, also)
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 4
Li - 7
Stosur - 6.5
Zvonareva - 7
Radwanska - 7
Bartoli - 4
Petkovic - 6

MENTALITY

Wozniacki - 7
Kvitova - 9
Azarenka - 7
Sharapova - 8
Li - 6
Stosur - 5
Zvonareva - 3
Radwanska - 7
Bartoli - 6
Petkovic - 5

NETPLAY

Wozniacki - 3
Kvitova - 7
Azarenka - 5
Sharapova - 6
Li - 6
Stosur - 5
Zvonareva - 8
Radwanska - 6
Bartoli - 7
Petkovic - 6

FINESSE

Wozniacki - 2
Kvitova - 5
Azarenka - 3
Sharapova - 2
Li - 3
Stosur - 4
Zvonareva - 5
Radwanska - 7
Bartoli - 1
Petkovic - 2

:lol:

Bismarck.
Dec 26th, 2011, 09:06 PM
:lol:

:tears: I have no idea why I gave Bartoli and Petkovic such high marks for that one. I'd demote them both to a 4.

Belmont Lad
Dec 26th, 2011, 09:10 PM
FOREHAND
Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 8
Na 7
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

BACKHAND
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 8
Na 7
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

SERVE
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 6
Na 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6

FITNESS
Wozniacki 8
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 7
Na 7
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 8
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 7

MOVEMENT
Wozniacki 7
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 5
Na 6
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7

MENTALITY
Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 8
Na 5
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 5
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 5

NETPLAY
Wozniacki 2
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 3
Na 3
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 3
Petkovic 4

FINESSE
Wozniacki 3
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 3
Na 3
Stosur 4
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 9
Bartoli 3
Petkovic 4

RobinT83
Dec 26th, 2011, 11:25 PM
FOREHAND

Wozniacki 4,5: Awful technically and as offensive shot but not as bad as people think in the rally
Kvitova 6,5: Overrated,inaccurate shot: pretty good in a good day, terrible in a bad day (especially on slow hardcourt)
Azarenka 6,5
Sharapova 6
Na 6: Overrated shot, such a timing shot mainly because of her technique
Stosur: 7,5
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 5
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7: Technically awful but a generally very efficient shot


BACKHAND

Wozniacki 7,5: Good shot in terms of both offense and defense, could be a good weapon
Kvitova 7
Azarenka 7,5
Sharapova 8
Na 8: Very accurate and superb shot
Stosur 2,5: Terrible technique, hilarious shot, sure a Shanksur moment with that shot
Zvonareva 9: Magnificent shot
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 7,5
Petkovic 6


SERVE

Wozniacki 5,5
Kvitova 7,5
Azarenka 5,5: Lack of raw power, first-second serve is practically the same...
Sharapova 6,5: can make an incredible amount of double-faults, weak second serve but huge first serve when mode "on"
Na 6,5: Underrated, can be good on a good day, both first and second serve
Stosur 7,5: Overrated
Zvonareva 6
Radwasnka 5: improved first serve, still very weak second serve...
Bartoli 6,5: inaccurate but generally very good first serve
Petkovic 6


FITNESS

Wozniacki 8,5
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 7,5
Sharapova 7
Na 6,5
Stosur 6,5
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 7,5
Bartoli 6,5: Huge work on her fitness with her father the last two years
Petkovic 7,5


MOVEMENT

Wozniacki 7,5
Kvitova 5,5
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 6
Na 6,5
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 7
Radwanska 8
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 7,5


MENTALITY

Wozniacki 6,5: Overrated, she needs to be more aggressive to take her own destiny in hand
Kvitova 7,5
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 7
Na 6,5
Stosur 6
Zvonareva 5,5
Radwanska 6,5
Bartoli 7,5
Petkovic 7: Good mentality


NETPLAY (mug era)

Wozniacki 4
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6,5: Can be decent at the net
Sharapova 4,5
Na 5
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 6,5
Radwanska 7: Not that good at the net but good hands
Bartoli 4,5
Petkovic 3,5: Terrible hand at the net


FINESSE (mug era)

Wozniacki 1
Kvitova 4,5
Azarenka 5,5
Sharapova 3,5
Na 4,5
Stosur 5,5
Zvonareva 5,5
Radwanska 7,5: Fortunately, she's there...
Bartoli 1,5
Petkovic 3

fouc
Dec 27th, 2011, 12:17 AM
FINESSE
Wozniacki 5
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 8
Li 7
Stosur 5
Zvonareva 6
Radwanska 7
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 6



:sobbing:

sammy01
Dec 27th, 2011, 01:39 AM
Averages

Kvitova 7.75
Sharapova 7.125
Zvonareva 7.0
Radwanska 7.0
Na Li 6.625
Stosur 6.625
Petkovic 6.25
Wozniacki 6.125
Bartoli 6.0
Azarenka 5.75

Radwanska and Zvonareva have these high averages imho, because they are strong on variety and netplay, where most players suck. Unfortunately for them those are pretty useless qualities compared to power.

we both have vika very low down when it comes to averages. the more i think about her game the more i think she is vastly over achieving as it is being ranked as high as she is, let alone some people talking up her slam chances.

SwingVolley93
Dec 27th, 2011, 03:14 AM
:tears: I have no idea why I gave Bartoli and Petkovic such high marks for that one. I'd demote them both to a 4.

:haha:
All of your ratings are terrible, you obviously don't follow tennis that much...Rating Radwanska only 1 higher than Bartoli in the category of Fitness...

Fool. :hah:

Corswandt
Dec 27th, 2011, 12:26 PM
we both have vika very low down when it comes to averages. the more i think about her game the more i think she is vastly over achieving as it is being ranked as high as she is, let alone some people talking up her slam chances.

Dunno to what extent you can label anyone an "overachiever" in a Tour where Wozniacka is undisputed #1 since the beginning of time.

And you must remember that Toria was a set away from a Wimbledon title, and at the USO would have been 60/40 if not 70/30 to beat even GOATsur had she made it to the final.

But I'll agree most of this is due to Toria playing the role of plucky loser much more convincingly than Wozniacka or Agatha.

Break My Rapture
Dec 27th, 2011, 01:28 PM
Dunno to what extent you can label anyone an "overachiever" in a Tour where Wozniacka is undisputed #1 since the beginning of time.

And you must remember that Toria was a set away from a Wimbledon title, and at the USO would have been 60/40 if not 70/30 to beat even GOATsur had she made it to the final.

But I'll agree most of this is due to Toria playing the role of plucky loser much more convincingly than Wozniacka or Agatha.
Agreed. Azarenka comes close to being a nightmare match-up for Martha nowadays because of her ROS and ability to easily redirect Pova's pace. And Azarenka would've probably swamped the rest of the field the way she played in that second set against Williamsova.

Marionated
Dec 27th, 2011, 01:42 PM
I'm not a fan, but Wozniacki's touch is so underrated on here (not suprising though). I mean, the marks given are just ridiculous.

Watch the two points in a row from 5:19, for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKIr_rWZTcQ against Radwanska of all players too.

I'd give her a 7 at least. Her netplay isn't as bad as made out either.

Break My Rapture
Dec 27th, 2011, 01:48 PM
I'm not a fan, but Wozniacki's touch is so underrated on here (not suprising though). I mean, the marks given are just ridiculous.

Watch the two points in a row from 5:19, for example http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKIr_rWZTcQ against Radwanska of all players too.

I'd give her a 7 at least. Her netplay isn't as bad as made out either.
Everyone rates her very low in this regard because those sort of points coming from her racquet A) are very rare; and B) look manufactured and not natural (well IMO anyway).

doomsday
Dec 27th, 2011, 01:50 PM
Dunno to what extent you can label anyone an "overachiever" in a Tour where Wozniacka is undisputed #1 since the beginning of time.

And you must remember that Toria was a set away from a Wimbledon title, and at the USO would have been 60/40 if not 70/30 to beat even GOATsur had she made it to the final.

But I'll agree most of this is due to Toria playing the role of plucky loser much more convincingly than Wozniacka or Agatha.

:lol::lol:It doesn't work that way, Azarenka was not in the final and considering her poor game on grass(she needed three sets to get rid of Hantuchova) it's not likely she would have won the title. Maria was overpowered in the final and outplayed by Kvitova, Azarenka's tennis ain't about punishing from baseline and her serve is more attackable than Kvitty's one, for all those reasons you can't say that she would have won the title for sure. I know Maria was very sluggish in the final but come on.

Break My Rapture
Dec 27th, 2011, 01:59 PM
:lol::lol:It doesn't work that way, Azarenka was not in the final and considering her poor game on grass(she needed three sets to get rid of Hantuchova) it's not likely she would have won the title. Maria was overpowered in the final and overplayed by Kvitova, Azarenka's tennis ain't about punishing from baseline and her serve is more attackable than Kvitty's one, for all those reasons you can't say that she would have won the title for sure. I know Maria was very sluggish in the final but come on.
Azarenka's game is not poor on grass, her game adapts to every surface equally well. And why are you talking like Danielle is a rookie on grass? She beat Li and Venus in Eastbourne the week before, playing really good tennis and was one of the most in-form players going into Wimbledon. Beating Li and Venus on grass > players Kvitova had to beat for her Wimbledon title. The reason(s) why you could say that Azarenka was a set away from a Wimbledon title is because Sharapova hasn't won a set against Azarenka since 2009 (even with her retirement win in Rome). And another thing, Sharapova also needed 3 sets to get rid of Hantuchova a couple of weeks later in Stanford, and IIRC Maria was even a couple of games away from losing to Danielle which Azarenka wasn't.

madmax
Dec 27th, 2011, 02:09 PM
Azarenka's game is not poor on grass, her game adapts to every surface equally well. And why are you talking like Danielle is a rookie on grass? She beat Li and Venus in Eastbourne the week before, playing really good tennis and was one of the most in-form players going into Wimbledon. Beating Li and Venus on grass > players Kvitova had to beat for her Wimbledon title. The reason(s) why you could say that Azarenka was a set away from a Wimbledon title is because Sharapova hasn't won a set against Azarenka since 2009 (even with her retirement win in Rome). And another thing, Sharapova also needed 3 sets to get rid of Hantuchova a couple of weeks later in Stanford, and IIRC Maria was even a couple of games away from losing to Danielle which Azarenka wasn't.

Maria was heavily out of form in Stanford and the match against Anotoxfa was a horror-show from both actually. As for grass, Azarenka wouldn't be able to redirect Maria's pace as well as on HC's and her serve would be constantly murdered too, like usual. The reason why Petra won in straights against Maria had more to do with Pova's sluggish play and Kvitty's lefty serve, which is difficult to handle for anyone on grass.

doomsday
Dec 27th, 2011, 02:10 PM
Azarenka's game is not poor on grass, her game adapts to every surface equally well. And why are you talking like Danielle is a rookie on grass? She beat Li and Venus in Eastbourne the week before, playing really good tennis and was one of the most in-form players going into Wimbledon. Beating Li and Venus on grass > players Kvitova had to beat for her Wimbledon title. The reason(s) why you could say that Azarenka was a set away from a Wimbledon title is because Sharapova hasn't won a set against Azarenka since 2009 (even with her retirement win in Rome). And another thing, Sharapova also needed 3 sets to get rid of Hantuchova a couple of weeks later in Stanford, and IIRC Maria was even a couple of games away of losing to Danielle which Azarenka wasn't.

I still think that her game is very poor on grass, she is very consistent off the ground but that's it. She was easily overpowered last year and the year before, it was also her first sf EVER on the surface her serve is easily attackable and if it wasn't for this stupid service game in the second set, Kvitty would have beat her 1 and 4.
And I'm well aware that Maria hasn't won a set over Vika since 09 but it would have been another match on another surface, a surface Maria excels more than Azarenka lately. I still think it would have been difficult to defeat Vika but definitely less than Kvitova.

Break My Rapture
Dec 27th, 2011, 02:22 PM
I still think that her game is very poor on grass, she is very consistent off the ground but that's it. She was easily overpowered last year and the year before, it was also her first sf EVER on the surface her serve is easily attackable and if it wasn't for this stupid service game in the second set, Kvitty would have beat her 1 and 4.
And I'm well aware that Maria hasn't won a set over Vika since 09 but it would have been another match on another surface, a surface Maria excels more than Azarenka lately. I still think it would have been difficult to defeat Vika but definitely less than Kvitova.
Lately...based on what? Since 2009 Maria's biggest win, rankings-wise, on grass has been over a #20 Shuai Peng. Azarenka OTOH has beaten 3 top 10 players on grass since 2009 (Petrova, Radwanska and Clijsters) + Bartoli. All in straight sets. Azarenka has been beating far tougher opponents than Sharapova on the grass lately. I'm just letting the numbers talk here.

doomsday
Dec 27th, 2011, 02:33 PM
Lately...based on what? Since 2009 Maria's biggest win, rankings-wise, on grass has been over a #20 Shuai Peng. Azarenka OTOH has beaten 3 top 10 players on grass since 2009 (Petrova, Radwanska and Clijsters) + Bartoli. All in straight sets. Azarenka has been beating far tougher opponents than Sharapova on the grass lately. I'm just letting the numbers talk here.

Well it's too bad that Maria barely played out of Wimbledon on grass but she reached B'mam final and lost to Li, other than that she lost against Serena in 2010 after delivering an outstanding match and she was definitely Serena's most dangerous rival in Wimbledon 2010, she even procured set points in the first, noone pushed Serena like Maria did that day. Maria also lost in Wimbledon 2010 and 11 against the future winners. But yeah numbers aren't there cause she is not playing that much but using matches who happened on HC or clay to justify Azarenka's potential win is too much, like madmax said Azarenka is not capable of retrieving on grass as well as she can on HC. I don't remember Azarenka or Wozniacki being outplayed so outrageously on HC yet on grass it's another story, they obviously can't handle big hitters on grass and their movement is quite bad on it.

Break My Rapture
Dec 27th, 2011, 02:37 PM
Well it's too bad that Maria barely played out of Wimbledon on grass but she reached B'mam final and lost to Li, other than that she lost against Serena in 2010 after delivering an outstanding match and she was definitely Serena's most dangerous rival in Wimbledon, she even procured set points in the first, noone pushed Serena like Maria did that day. But yeah numbers aren't there cause she is not playing much but using matches who happened on HC or clay to justify Azarenka's potential win is too much, like madmax said Azarenka is not capable of retrieving on grass as well as she can on HC. I don't remember Azarenka or Wozniacki being outplayed so outrageously on HC yet on grass it's another story, they obviously can't handle big hitters on grass and their movement is quite bad on it.
Dude, did you read my previous post? Azarenka beat PETROVA and BARTOLI on grass, in straight sets. Hitters don't come any bigger than them.
Azarenka reached an Eastbourne final (way bigger tournament and way better field) and lost to Makarova playing the tennis of her life. Other than that she lost Kvitova playing some of the best tennis of her life. And you are right, they haven't played on grass so meetings on the other surfaces could provide false images about this match-up. BUT the latest trend is that Sharapova struggles to win sets against Azarenka regardless of the surface, in the grand scheme of things.

Smitten
Dec 27th, 2011, 02:37 PM
Azarenka is not a slam winner on any surface. Next.

doomsday
Dec 27th, 2011, 02:40 PM
Azarenka is not a slam winner on any surface. Next.

Maybe she can do sth on clay but she definitely needs bigger weapons to win the other majors.

Ferg
Dec 27th, 2011, 02:40 PM
sob at the poster on page 1 who rated bartoli's serve the best in the top 10 ahead of kvitova :help:

Its not better than Petras but you're letting your hate get in the way of common sense yet again Sammy :lol: Average pace? When she has a good serving day its extremely hard to break her. Just remember Wimbledon where she out served Serena herself? When Marion went on her tear mid way during the season she was regularly winning upwards of 70/80% on her first serve, and it took her through many other close matches during the year. Its not one of the best but its not as medioctre as you make it out to be either.

doomsday
Dec 27th, 2011, 02:42 PM
Dude, did you read my previous post? Azarenka beat PETROVA and BARTOLI on grass, in straight sets. Hitters don't come any bigger than them.

Bartoli and Petrova, you've gotta be kidding me.:lol:

Break My Rapture
Dec 27th, 2011, 02:43 PM
Bartoli and Petrova, you've gotta be kidding me.:lol:
They are better players than Peng on any surface and they are bigger hitters than Peng.

doomsday
Dec 27th, 2011, 02:47 PM
Dude, did you read my previous post? Azarenka beat PETROVA and BARTOLI on grass, in straight sets. Hitters don't come any bigger than them.
Azarenka reached an Eastbourne final (way bigger tournament and way better field) and lost to Makarova playing the tennis of her life. Other than that she lost Kvitova playing some of the best tennis of her life. And you are right, they haven't played on grass so meetings on the other surfaces could provide false images about this match-up. BUT the latest trend is that Sharapova struggles to win sets against Azarenka regardless of the surface, in the grand scheme of things.

Thanks for reminding me that :lol: Makarova, wasn't she a qualifier in that tournament? Seriously :lol:
Yeah Maria struggling to beat her but that doesn't mean much, Maria playing fairly well should beat Azarenka. If anything she was very not lucky to win the first set in Rome on clay where her movement is quite limited.

doomsday
Dec 27th, 2011, 02:50 PM
They are better players than Peng on any surface and they are bigger hitters than Peng.

Yep but I obviously meant hitters like Serena, Kvitova or Na Li. The way Maria challenged Serena in 2010 was insane, I'm not sure Vika could handle that tennis actually she is losing almost every time against those hitters and very badly.

Ferg
Dec 27th, 2011, 03:02 PM
Thanks for reminding me that :lol: Makarova, wasn't she a qualifier in that tournament? Seriously :lol:
Yeah Maria struggling to beat her but that doesn't mean much, Maria playing fairly well should beat Azarenka. If anything she was very not lucky to win the first set in Rome on clay where her movement is quite limited.

Makarova also has a ridiculously good record at Eastbourne, including qualifying she is 19-3, with those losses coming to #22 Petrova, #6 Wozniacki and #8 Kvitova, being 38-8 in sets. Nuff said. Trying to brush Makarova at that place off doesnt work.

madmax
Dec 27th, 2011, 03:06 PM
Makarova also has a ridiculously good record at Eastbourne, including qualifying she is 19-3, with those losses coming to #22 Petrova, #6 Wozniacki and #8 Kvitova, being 38-8 in sets. Nuff said.

it's Eastbourne...nuff said.
This is like Moonballniacki stans, who are worshipping her stellar records in New Haven. Sometimes things have to be taken into proper perspective - call me when Makarova does something worth mentioning in Wimby and then we'll talk.

Ferg
Dec 27th, 2011, 03:10 PM
A Sharapova fan calling for things to be taken into perspective - oh the irony :lol:

madmax
Dec 27th, 2011, 03:12 PM
A Sharapova fan calling for things to be taken into perspective - oh the irony :lol:

yeah, a fan of Sharapova - the player who won that little tournament called Wimby at the age of 17. I know that Eastbourne is a much bigger fish in the pod, but us delusional Pova tards just can't help ourselves probably:confused:

Corswandt
Dec 27th, 2011, 03:33 PM
if it wasn't for this stupid service game in the second set, Kvitty would have beat her [Toria] 1 and 4.

Kvitova indeed had no business losing that second set. After spraying all those wild errors in the first two games or so, she outplayed Toria by a considerable margin, but IIRC never managed to win that crucial first point (or first couple of points) on Toria's serve she needed to break and get back on serve.

But she did lose it, and Toria was a set away from what in retrospect was a BYE in the final. Even though I doubt Martha's tactics against Toria would be quite as idiotic as they were against Kvitova.

Vikapower
Dec 27th, 2011, 05:23 PM
I still think that her game is very poor on grass, she is very consistent off the ground but that's it. She was easily overpowered last year and the year before, it was also her first sf EVER on the surface her serve is easily attackable and if it wasn't for this stupid service game in the second set, Kvitty would have beat her 1 and 4.
And I'm well aware that Maria hasn't won a set over Vika since 09 but it would have been another match on another surface, a surface Maria excels more than Azarenka lately. I still think it would have been difficult to defeat Vika but definitely less than Kvitova.

Kvitova would have beaten anybody 1 and 4, I don't think this is a valid explanation for Victoria --

Probably a more aggressive consistent Maria would have not many problem against Vika -- just like in the Miami F where the rare times the taller of the 2 was able to keep her aggressive shots into play, she had better angles, bigger firepower with these... she was better in the shot-making department, cool, a mini-Kvitova -- hopefully she gets the same success as her idol.

It musn't be excluded though the more aggressive Victoria (or the one who has more intentions into her game) from end first start 2nd. till 4*-0 can be a nightmare match for Maria -- especially with that FH redirection (DTL) combined with the spin which had a tendency to put Maria in automatic difficulty, pushed back plus far away from [...] a good recipe to dismantle the player when repeated successfully.

Anyways, yet (to complete the 3rd ž), >50% of Maria's power tennis is in the stands... for 1 winner she needs 15 UEs (43 in the F ??) though I suspect Miami has a tendency to over exaggerate the UE count... many of these so called UE were generated by one or many of Victoria's great qualities.

This simple aspect of Maria's game shall make her ever eternally irrelevant in matches where Victoria is the opponent... and what's even more problematic, when Victoria plays(ed) like a sub-part top 100, ¤ourevna Sharapova still losses comprehensively... -- it's be good she resolves thi(e)s(e) equation(s) for good.

The Rome match offers no indications other than that ¤ourevna was on the same road to defeat, conclusion of that 4-6 1*-0 is closer to defeat than 6-4 0-1*.

Corswandt
Dec 27th, 2011, 05:29 PM
Kvitova would have beaten anybody 1 and 4, I don't think this is a valid explanation for Victoria --

Probably a more aggressive consistent Maria would have not many problem against Vika -- just like in the Miami F where the rare times the taller of the 2 was able to keep her aggressive shots into play, she had better angles, bigger firepower with these... she was better in the shot-making department, cool, a mini-Kvitova -- hopefully she gets the same success as her idol.

It musn't be excluded though the more aggressive Victoria (or the one who has more intentions into her game) from end first start 2nd. till 4*-0 can be a nightmare match for Maria -- especially with that FH redirection (DTL) combined with the spin which had a tendency to put Maria in automatic difficulty, pushed back plus far away from [...] a good recipe to dismantle the player when repeated successfully.

Anyways, yet (to complete the 3rd ž), >50% of Maria's power tennis is in the stands... for 1 winner she needs 15 UEs (43 in the F ??) though I suspect Miami has a tendency to over exaggerate the UE count... many of these so called UE were generated by one or many of Victoria's great qualities.

This simple aspect of Maria's game shall make her ever eternally irrelevant in matches where Victoria is the opponent... and what's even more problematic, when Victoria plays(ed) like a sub-part top 100, ¤ourevna Sharapova still losses comprehensively... -- it's be good she resolves thi(e)s(e) equation(s) for good.

The Rome match offers no indications other than that ¤ourevna was on the same road to defeat, conclusion of that 4-6 1*-0 is closer to defeat than 6-4 0-1*.

What, no Thracians and shit?

doomsday
Dec 27th, 2011, 05:32 PM
Makarova also has a ridiculously good record at Eastbourne, including qualifying she is 19-3, with those losses coming to #22 Petrova, #6 Wozniacki and #8 Kvitova, being 38-8 in sets. Nuff said. Trying to brush Makarova at that place off doesnt work.

A loss to Wozniacki on grass :lol: anyway we all agree to say that Vika would have been a bad matchup in the final and Maria was very sluggish but at the same time Vika is not Kvitova, most of her points are won because of her amazing defense who isn't that great on grass not the winners she hit from everywhere and for that I think Maria would have had a a better chance.

doomsday
Dec 27th, 2011, 05:56 PM
Kvitova would have beaten anybody 1 and 4, I don't think this is a valid explanation for Victoria --

Probably a more aggressive consistent Maria would have not many problem against Vika -- just like in the Miami F where the rare times the taller of the 2 was able to keep her aggressive shots into play, she had better angles, bigger firepower with these... she was better in the shot-making department, cool, a mini-Kvitova -- hopefully she gets the same success as her idol.

It musn't be excluded though the more aggressive Victoria (or the one who has more intentions into her game) from end first start 2nd. till 4*-0 can be a nightmare match for Maria -- especially with that FH redirection (DTL) combined with the spin which had a tendency to put Maria in automatic difficulty, pushed back plus far away from [...] a good recipe to dismantle the player when repeated successfully.

Anyways, yet (to complete the 3rd ž), >50% of Maria's power tennis is in the stands... for 1 winner she needs 15 UEs (43 in the F ??) though I suspect Miami has a tendency to over exaggerate the UE count... many of these so called UE were generated by one or many of Victoria's great qualities.

This simple aspect of Maria's game shall make her ever eternally irrelevant in matches where Victoria is the opponent... and what's even more problematic, when Victoria plays(ed) like a sub-part top 100, ¤ourevna Sharapova still losses comprehensively... -- it's be good she resolves thi(e)s(e) equation(s) for good.

The Rome match offers no indications other than that ¤ourevna was on the same road to defeat, conclusion of that 4-6 1*-0 is closer to defeat than 6-4 0-1*.

Definitely!! As for the rest of your post, let's not exaggerate Vika is not the only one to succeed over Maria, even Wozniacki gave 3 games to Maria at IW :lol: I believe that on HC Maria and even Kvitova use the wrong tactic to defeat them but Vika and Woz are certainly not more aggressive than them just a lot more consistent and they also move a lot better.

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2011, 08:18 AM
I still think that her game is very poor on grass, she is very consistent off the ground but that's it. She was easily overpowered last year and the year before, it was also her first sf EVER on the surface her serve is easily attackable and if it wasn't for this stupid service game in the second set, Kvitty would have beat her 1 and 4.
And I'm well aware that Maria hasn't won a set over Vika since 09 but it would have been another match on another surface, a surface Maria excels more than Azarenka lately. I still think it would have been difficult to defeat Vika but definitely less than Kvitova.

I'm not sure Masha really excels on grass as you point it. she USED to excel. But since ' 06, she hasn't done much on grass. Her reaching this final was more due to a nice kind draw more than anything...as her play ( specially the serve) wasn't consistent at all. Just saying.

Steven.
Dec 28th, 2011, 08:38 AM
^Kvitova's draw was just as bad as Maria's. I've said countless times before, and I'll say it again. Just because you don't beat seeded players doesn't mean you didn't beat the favourites. Sabine Lisicki (who didn't play well admittedly) as a stronger favourite to win the title than all of Kvitova's opponents besides Maria herself.

In addition to her not doing much on grass since 2006:
- Final of Birmingham in 2010.
- Losses at Wimbledon to eventual champion Venus in 07, played when she shouldn't have in 08, only just came back on tour in 09, lost to eventual champion (again) Serena pretty much solely because Serena's serve was absolutely on fire and served her way through the match (Maria was killing Serena from the baseline and don't you dare say otherwise :lol:), and then made the final this year.

I would say that's pretty decent set of results.

BepaMaria
Dec 28th, 2011, 08:55 AM
Forehand

Wozniacki 0
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 4
Sharapova 10
Li 2, based on post RG form
Stosur 10
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 4
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 6

Backhand

Wozniacki 1
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 10
Li 2
Stosur 1
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 5

Serve

Wozniacki 1
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 10
Li 2
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 4
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 5

Fitness

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 10
Li 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 0
Petkovic 6

Movement

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 1
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 10
Li 2
Stosur 3
Zvonareva 10
Bartoli 0
Radwanska 5
Petkovic 5

Mentality

Wozniacki 0, based on post Wimby form
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 10
Li 0, based on post RG form
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 10
Bartoli 1
Radwanska 7
Petkovic 4

Net

Wozniacki 0
Kvitova 3
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 10
Li 3
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 10
Bartoli 2
Radwanska 3
Petkovic 4

doomsday
Dec 28th, 2011, 09:43 AM
I'm not sure Masha really excels on grass as you point it. she USED to excel. But since ' 06, she hasn't done much on grass. Her reaching this final was more due to a nice kind draw more than anything...as her play ( specially the serve) wasn't consistent at all. Just saying.

I said excels more than Azarenka which is very true and if we're going down that route all draws are kind cause only 2 players are clearly better than all the other ones then you have Maria, Kvitova and maybe Lisicki/Li. Like Steven said, I don't think having Pironkova and Azarenka is terrible but that's just the way it's going to be on grass, you can't meet Serena and Venus in every round.
Beside you guys are really funny to mention her kind draws but what about her draws when she faces WS very early (2007/2010) she also had her bad luck in previous years you know. WS ended up winning the title those years and every time Maria was in their part of the draw if it wasn't for them she would have done a lot better many times.

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2011, 02:16 PM
^Kvitova's draw was just as bad as Maria's. I've said countless times before, and I'll say it again. Just because you don't beat seeded players doesn't mean you didn't beat the favourites. Sabine Lisicki (who didn't play well admittedly) as a stronger favourite to win the title than all of Kvitova's opponents besides Maria herself.

In addition to her not doing much on grass since 2006:
- Final of Birmingham in 2010.
- Losses at Wimbledon to eventual champion Venus in 07, played when she shouldn't have in 08, only just came back on tour in 09, lost to eventual champion (again) Serena pretty much solely because Serena's serve was absolutely on fire and served her way through the match (Maria was killing Serena from the baseline and don't you dare say otherwise :lol:), and then made the final this year.

I would say that's pretty decent set of results.

Of course..but Laura Robson, Peng, etc...isn't exactly murderer's row. ;) But I see your point.

Serena won mostly due to her serve, but having a serve ain't ilegal in tennis, is it?! :shrug:

Exactly..so basically Azarenka this year, no?! Always running into the eventual winner.

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2011, 02:26 PM
I said excels more than Azarenka which is very true and if we're going down that route all draws are kind cause only 2 players are clearly better than all the other ones then you have Maria, Kvitova and maybe Lisicki/Li. Like Steven said, I don't think having Pironkova and Azarenka is terrible but that's just the way it's going to be on grass, you can't meet Serena and Venus in every round.
Beside you guys are really funny to mention her kind draws but what about her draws when she faces WS very early (2007/2010) she also had her bad luck in previous years you know. WS ended up winning the title those years and every time Maria was in their part of the draw if it wasn't for them she would have done a lot better many times.

When you good, you good..then it don't matter who you face when. ( e.g.: Serena ' 07 oz open).

Not meant as a diss. We'll see how Maria does next year. :wavey:

Corswandt
Dec 28th, 2011, 02:45 PM
The thing about Zvonareva's game is that the very fact that it's so neat and textbook smooth has the effect of helping her opponents raise their own games. Zvonareva's generic, predictable, single gear ground game (she always hits the same rally ball - clean, 3/4 pace, consistent depth) keeps feeding her opponents with pace, whereas the wonkier, messier game of say Wozniacka (full of framed shots, random mishits, offpace loopers and all other sorts of unintentional junk landing everywhere through the court, with nothing in the way of consistent depth) is also much trickier to handle and has the effect of dragging her opponents down to her own pedestrian level.

fede33
Dec 28th, 2011, 02:49 PM
Forehand

Wozniacki 0
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 4
Sharapova 10
Li 2, based on post RG form
Stosur 10
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 4
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 6

Backhand

Wozniacki 1
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 10
Li 2
Stosur 1
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 5

Serve

Wozniacki 1
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 10
Li 2
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 4
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 5

Fitness

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 10
Li 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 0
Petkovic 6

Movement

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 1
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 10
Li 2
Stosur 3
Zvonareva 10
Bartoli 0
Radwanska 5
Petkovic 5

Mentality

Wozniacki 0, based on post Wimby form
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 10
Li 0, based on post RG form
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 10
Bartoli 1
Radwanska 7
Petkovic 4

Net

Wozniacki 0
Kvitova 3
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 10
Li 3
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 10
Bartoli 2
Radwanska 3
Petkovic 4

:haha::haha: :hah: good joke :facepalm:

doomsday
Dec 28th, 2011, 03:28 PM
When you good, you good..then it don't matter who you face when. ( e.g.: Serena ' 07 oz open).

Not meant as a diss. We'll see how Maria does next year. :wavey:

Yeah when you good, you good.... that's why she reached the final w/o even playing that well.:shrug:

BlueTrees
Dec 28th, 2011, 03:49 PM
SERVE
Stosur 7
Bartoli 8

You think Bartoli has a better serve than Stosur? :spit: :facepalm:

Mynarco
Dec 28th, 2011, 04:08 PM
Bepamaria :bigcry:

Ferg
Dec 28th, 2011, 04:17 PM
Bepamaria :bigcry:

More people need to take notice of it. Its priceless.

Brad[le]y.
Dec 28th, 2011, 04:24 PM
Forehand

Wozniacki 0
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 4
Sharapova 10
Li 2, based on post RG form
Stosur 10
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 4
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 6

Backhand

Wozniacki 1
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 10
Li 2
Stosur 1
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 5

Serve

Wozniacki 1
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 10
Li 2
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 4
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 5

Fitness

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 10
Li 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 0
Petkovic 6

Movement

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 1
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 10
Li 2
Stosur 3
Zvonareva 10
Bartoli 0
Radwanska 5
Petkovic 5

Mentality

Wozniacki 0, based on post Wimby form
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 10
Li 0, based on post RG form
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 10
Bartoli 1
Radwanska 7
Petkovic 4

Net

Wozniacki 0
Kvitova 3
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 10
Li 3
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 10
Bartoli 2
Radwanska 3
Petkovic 4

http://i55.tinypic.com/2akldf5.gif

Zvonareva gets 10 for mentality? :spit:

Cajka
Dec 28th, 2011, 04:25 PM
An obvious troll. :hysteric:

hERi
Dec 28th, 2011, 04:26 PM
the overall average, I see the value of Azarenka is not so good, then what makes her win so far?

Macomere
Dec 28th, 2011, 04:32 PM
Forehand

Wozniacki 0
Kvitova 9
Azarenka 4
Sharapova 10
Li 2, based on post RG form
Stosur 10
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 4
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 6

Backhand

Wozniacki 1
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 10
Li 2
Stosur 1
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 5
Petkovic 5

Serve

Wozniacki 1
Kvitova 8
Azarenka 5
Sharapova 10
Li 2
Stosur 9
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 4
Bartoli 6
Petkovic 5

Fitness

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 10
Li 6
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 10
Radwanska 6
Bartoli 0
Petkovic 6

Movement

Wozniacki 6
Kvitova 1
Azarenka 7
Sharapova 10
Li 2
Stosur 3
Zvonareva 10
Bartoli 0
Radwanska 5
Petkovic 5

Mentality

Wozniacki 0, based on post Wimby form
Kvitova 6
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 10
Li 0, based on post RG form
Stosur 8
Zvonareva 10
Bartoli 1
Radwanska 7
Petkovic 4

Net

Wozniacki 0
Kvitova 3
Azarenka 6
Sharapova 10
Li 3
Stosur 7
Zvonareva 10
Bartoli 2
Radwanska 3
Petkovic 4
:hysteric::hysteric::hysteric::hysteric::crying2:

Break My Rapture
Dec 28th, 2011, 04:33 PM
You think Bartoli has a better serve than Stosur? :spit: :facepalm:
Bartoli's serve, despite the wonky motion, generates a lot of racquet head speed. Some of the highest racquet head speed on tour probably. She is able to serve even the best returners, like Azarenka, off the court when she has a good day.
Stosur's second serve kicker gets handled easily by the best returners, and when she notices that, her first serve cracks under pressure and almost immediately stops working. When she gets the scent of a good returner under her nose, she freaks out and already loses the battle mentally.

Bartoli doesn't have this mental weakness attached to her serve and will try to serve her opponent off the court regardless of who she's playing, and that happens more than the amount of times Stosur does (Wimbledon vs Williams, YEC vs Azarenka to name a couple).

SwingVolley93
Dec 28th, 2011, 08:36 PM
Bartoli's serve, despite the wonky motion, generates a lot of racquet head speed. Some of the highest racquet head speed on tour probably. She is able to serve even the best returners, like Azarenka, off the court when she has a good day.
Stosur's second serve kicker gets handled easily by the best returners, and when she notices that, her first serve cracks under pressure and almost immediately stops working. When she gets the scent of a good returner under her nose, she freaks out and already loses the battle mentally.

Bartoli doesn't have this mental weakness attached to her serve and will try to serve her opponent off the court regardless of who she's playing, and that happens more than the amount of times Stosur does (Wimbledon vs Williams, YEC vs Azarenka to name a couple).

This whole post= Horseshit as the argument that you are trying to prove is automatically void from the beginning. You just wasted time writing that, get a clue :wavey:

Break My Rapture
Dec 28th, 2011, 09:10 PM
This whole post= Horseshit as the argument that you are trying to prove is automatically void from the beginning. You just wasted time writing that, get a clue :wavey:
How is it automatically void from the beginning? I'm dying to see what you're gonna come up with here.

You're probably just pissed because I didn't give Agatha the highest score. :happy:

Stonerpova
Dec 28th, 2011, 09:42 PM
Sharapova has had two bad Wimbledon's: 2008 and 2009. Other than that she has a fourth round in her debut, a title, and her other five losses were to the eventual champion (semis in 05-06, 4R to Venus in 07 and Serena last year, final to Kvitova this year). They're certainly not the results you would have thought she'd have when she won in 04, but due to the circumstances she could have done worse.

Of course..but Laura Robson, Peng, etc...isn't exactly murderer's row. ;) But I see your point.

Serena won mostly due to her serve, but having a serve ain't ilegal in tennis, is it?! :shrug:

Exactly..so basically Azarenka this year, no?! Always running into the eventual winner.

In women's tennis it may as well be.

sammy01
Dec 28th, 2011, 10:03 PM
Bartoli's serve, despite the wonky motion, generates a lot of racquet head speed. Some of the highest racquet head speed on tour probably. She is able to serve even the best returners, like Azarenka, off the court when she has a good day.
Stosur's second serve kicker gets handled easily by the best returners, and when she notices that, her first serve cracks under pressure and almost immediately stops working. When she gets the scent of a good returner under her nose, she freaks out and already loses the battle mentally.

Bartoli doesn't have this mental weakness attached to her serve and will try to serve her opponent off the court regardless of who she's playing, and that happens more than the amount of times Stosur does (Wimbledon vs Williams, YEC vs Azarenka to name a couple).

i'm sorry but bartoli's serve is slightly above average but nothing special. your 2 examples (serena's 2nd tournament in a year and a dead match in the YEC are not good ones), bartoli has started hitting many more df's this year.

bartoli's improvement in ranking is she has cut out the pretending to be injured shit and got down to fighting out matches. which frankly she is great at as she has this confidence that doesn't fit with her ranking and talent, anyone would think she was a 10 time slam champion the way she believes in herself.

bandabou
Dec 28th, 2011, 10:09 PM
Yeah when you good, you good.... that's why she reached the final w/o even playing that well.:shrug:

Exactly..:yeah:

Break My Rapture
Dec 28th, 2011, 10:24 PM
i'm sorry but bartoli's serve is slightly above average but nothing special. your 2 examples (serena's 2nd tournament in a year and a dead match in the YEC are not good ones), bartoli has started hitting many more df's this year.

bartoli's improvement in ranking is she has cut out the pretending to be injured shit and got down to fighting out matches. which frankly she is great at as she has this confidence that doesn't fit with her ranking and talent, anyone would think she was a 10 time slam champion the way she believes in herself.
My examples are fine as anyone who saw these matches knows that Bartoli is literally able to serve players off the court, which she demonstrated in those matches (maybe not throughout the whole match, but it was the reason why she won them). Bartoli has started hitting a lot more DFs because she is going like mad for her second serves, probably even worse so than Sharapova. Stosur hardly does this as her serve falls apart the moment she senses a good returner on the other side of the net.

Bosco123
Dec 28th, 2011, 10:29 PM
anyone would think she was a 10 time slam champion the way she believes in herself.

it's the IQ that gives her confidence.:oh:

sammy01
Dec 28th, 2011, 10:49 PM
My examples are fine as anyone who saw these matches knows that Bartoli is literally able to serve players off the court, which she demonstrated in those matches (maybe not throughout the whole match, but it was the reason why she won them). Bartoli has started hitting a lot more DFs because she is going like mad for her second serves, probably even worse so than Sharapova. Stosur hardly does this as her serve falls apart the moment she senses a good returner on the other side of the net.

yeah cus the resistance and effort that vika put into that match (booed off court at fan friendly instanbul) obviously shows the awesomeness that is bartoli's serve.

Break My Rapture
Dec 28th, 2011, 10:53 PM
yeah cus the resistance and effort that vika put into that match (booed off court at fan friendly instanbul) obviously shows the awesomeness that is bartoli's serve.
Returners, even the ones as good as Azarenka, are still relying on the server. The server still has the first strike (DERP) so it's possible that the returner doesn't get any say into the point at all. That was the case in that match, Azarenka's intensity levels or lack of amusement don't matter in this regard at all.

And she was not booed off the court by the way, I re-watched the end of the match after these rumours surfaced on here the first time and there's NO booing.

Ferg
Dec 29th, 2011, 12:01 AM
Arguing with haters is like arguing with monkeys. Its impossible to use logic against them, they simply dont understand. Unless they're super monkeys or something.

Marion serving most aces this year has something to do with having played the most matches yes, but its also because shes a damn good server. You dont do that simply by playing lots of matches. Its a very flat serve, and when she has a good day hitting a high percentage on a fast surface its incredibly hard to break through. It being Serena's second tournament back has what to do exactly with Marion serving amazingly in their match? Its not like it was down to fitness or match practice, everytime Serena had a look at one of Marions service games, she threw down an ace. Look at the highlights and try to tell me a full health Serena would have gotten some of them back. She basically did to Serena what Serena does to so many other players. But it seems having a good serve on this board isnt allowed and isnt really part of tennis or something.

Shes winning a far, far higher percentage on her first serve this year and thats not because shes fighting harder, its because they are bloody good serves.

sammy01
Dec 29th, 2011, 01:59 AM
Arguing with haters is like arguing with monkeys. Its impossible to use logic against them, they simply dont understand. Unless they're super monkeys or something.

Marion serving most aces this year has something to do with having played the most matches yes, but its also because shes a damn good server. You dont do that simply by playing lots of matches. Its a very flat serve, and when she has a good day hitting a high percentage on a fast surface its incredibly hard to break through. It being Serena's second tournament back has what to do exactly with Marion serving amazingly in their match? Its not like it was down to fitness or match practice, everytime Serena had a look at one of Marions service games, she threw down an ace. Look at the highlights and try to tell me a full health Serena would have gotten some of them back. She basically did to Serena what Serena does to so many other players. But it seems having a good serve on this board isnt allowed and isnt really part of tennis or something.

Shes winning a far, far higher percentage on her first serve this year and thats not because shes fighting harder, its because they are bloody good serves.

many many posters on this forum praise kvitova, serena and stosur's serves (myself included), however they don't praise serves from a player who opens a match this year with 4 df's. going for broke on a serve doesn't make it good. im pretty sure marion was very high up on the df's list this year, which just cancels out the aces.

lang26
Dec 29th, 2011, 02:05 AM
Wozniacki
FOREHAND - 4
BACKHAND - 8
SERVE - 6
FITNESS - 9
MOVEMENT - 9
MENTALITY - 9
NETPLAY - 4
FINESSE - 5

Kvitova
FOREHAND - 8
BACKHAND - 8
SERVE - 9
FITNESS - 7
MOVEMENT - 5
MENTALITY - 8
NETPLAY - 5
FINESSE - 7

Azarenka
FOREHAND - 7
BACKHAND - 7
SERVE - 6
FITNESS - 9
MOVEMENT - 6
MENTALITY - 5
NETPLAY - 7
FINESSE - 7

Sharapova
FOREHAND - 7
BACKHAND - 8
SERVE - 6
FITNESS - 9
MOVEMENT - 4
MENTALITY - 7
NETPLAY - 3
FINESSE - 3

Na
FOREHAND - 8
BACKHAND - 6
SERVE - 7
FITNESS - 7
MOVEMENT - 6
MENTALITY - 4
NETPLAY - 6
FINESSE - 4

Stosur
FOREHAND - 8
BACKHAND - 3
SERVE - 7
FITNESS - 7
MOVEMENT - 6
MENTALITY - 5
NETPLAY - 7
FINESSE - 4

Zvonareva
FOREHAND - 6
BACKHAND - 8
SERVE - 6
FITNESS - 8
MOVEMENT - 8
MENTALITY - 5
NETPLAY – 8
FINESSE - 9

Radwanska
FOREHAND - 6
BACKHAND - 7
SERVE - 5
FITNESS - 8
MOVEMENT - 9
MENTALITY - 8
NETPLAY - 10
FINESSE - 9

Bartoli
FOREHAND - 7
BACKHAND - 8
SERVE - 6
FITNESS - 4
MOVEMENT - 5
MENTALITY - 6
NETPLAY - 5
FINESSE - 3

Petkovic
FOREHAND - 8
BACKHAND - 7
SERVE - 6
FITNESS - 8
MOVEMENT - 7
MENTALITY - 6
NETPLAY - 6
FINESSE - 5

Cajka
Dec 29th, 2011, 02:12 AM
many many posters on this forum praise kvitova, serena and stosur's serves (myself included), however they don't praise serves from a player who opens a match this year with 4 df's. going for broke on a serve doesn't make it good. im pretty sure marion was very high up on the df's list this year, which just cancels out the aces.

Not if she has many service winners.

sammy01
Dec 29th, 2011, 02:17 AM
Not if she has many service winners.

which will also be canceled out by the 2nd serves that have no spin on them, thus are attackable and she loses points by that.

flat serves only serve a purpose if they are very fast, even a reckless marion cant serve flat 2nd serves hard enough without huge amounts of df's (many more than she is serving now) to not make them attackable.

Cajka
Dec 29th, 2011, 02:30 AM
which will also be canceled out by the 2nd serves that have no spin on them, thus are attackable and she loses points by that.

flat serves only serve a purpose if they are very fast, even a reckless marion cant serve flat 2nd serves hard enough without huge amounts of df's (many more than she is serving now) to not make them attackable.

I'm not sure if her second serve is very attackable, the bigger problem is that it's often not IN. I would say that her first serve is very good, the second serve... Well, if she hits 16 double faults, OK, it's a mess then. But even with that problem, it's still a very good serve over all.

Smitten
Dec 29th, 2011, 06:35 AM
Arguing with haters is like arguing with monkeys. Its impossible to use logic against them, they simply dont understand. Unless they're super monkeys or something.

Marion serving most aces this year has something to do with having played the most matches yes, but its also because shes a damn good server. You dont do that simply by playing lots of matches. Its a very flat serve, and when she has a good day hitting a high percentage on a fast surface its incredibly hard to break through. It being Serena's second tournament back has what to do exactly with Marion serving amazingly in their match? Its not like it was down to fitness or match practice, everytime Serena had a look at one of Marions service games, she threw down an ace. Look at the highlights and try to tell me a full health Serena would have gotten some of them back. She basically did to Serena what Serena does to so many other players. But it seems having a good serve on this board isnt allowed and isnt really part of tennis or something.

Shes winning a far, far higher percentage on her first serve this year and thats not because shes fighting harder, its because they are bloody good serves.

You're right on some of these points.

The days that Bartoli has a great serving day and is hitting her spots is when she is truly a top 10 player. The performance that stands out most to be is when she beat Borz in Cincinnati a few years ago.

It was a hot day and those courts are very quick. Bartoli was serving out of her mind and she got even more confident with her swiping returns.

Bartoli does have days when she serves possibly in the top 10 for servers, but most of the time her serve loses her matches.

Break My Rapture
Dec 29th, 2011, 12:38 PM
You're right on some of these points.

The days that Bartoli has a great serving day and is hitting her spots is when she is truly a top 10 player. The performance that stands out most to be is when she beat Borz in Cincinnati a few years ago.

It was a hot day and those courts are very quick. Bartoli was serving out of her mind and she got even more confident with her swiping returns.

Bartoli does have days when she serves possibly in the top 10 for servers, but most of the time her serve loses her matches.
Yes, good example. She was hitting ace after ace after ace, literally.

Smitten
Dec 30th, 2011, 01:45 AM
Yes, good example. She was hitting ace after ace after ace, literally.

I think it's the best I've seen her play.