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ys
Oct 8th, 2001, 06:51 AM
OK, my choice, based on what happened at Kremlin Cup will be:
Dementieva, Myskina for singles
Likhovtseva-Kournikova in doubles

Lina K. as 5th number

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 8th, 2001, 10:38 AM
ys .... singles i'd agree with

but i don't see Anna playing or making herself available to play.
So Nadia Petrova/Elena L as doubles

auntie janie
Oct 8th, 2001, 12:50 PM
I don't see why the team would even want Anna, frankly. Last year she lost every one of her singles matches, and all but one of her doubles matches too.

She is their best doubles player in theory, but maybe she doesn't handle the Fed Cup atmosphere well.

ys
Oct 8th, 2001, 08:28 PM
People change, Janie. I, personally, think that Anna is a very nice and intelligent person and, and in that aspect she is getting better with every year. I am sure she would want to play in Madrid, because it promises to be a grand event, comparable to Grand Slams in magnitude. And in Moscow, that was difficult for her, she just folded under pressure of all those expectations put on her. She was supposed to be a leader of the team, btu she was not prepared. I think that it may become easier for her to be just a member of a team. It could help her to patch differences with other members of the team. But as far as I see she only has problem talking to Dementieva. And, during the Kremlin Cup, watching it on web cam I saw Tarpishev spending a lot of time near her on all ceremonies. Basically, whether she will be on the team is completely up to her and Tarpishev. Larisa would not mind for sure including her former doubles partner. And Dementieva would not tarnish her own reputation of having greatest commitment to playing for the country because of her problems with Anna.

auntie janie
Oct 8th, 2001, 11:44 PM
You are right, being in Moscow last year must have been a tremendous amount of pressure for Anna, the top Russian player at the time. After reading your post, I hope she will choose to play, and will practice with and have fun with the rest of the team. I agree, it would be easier for almost anyone to be a team member and not a leader.

Good luck to the team, whoever plays. <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">

ajayares
Oct 9th, 2001, 01:47 PM
Well, you don't have to worry about Anna playing, because she is not..

She is playing Amanda Coezter in a series of exhibitions in Sth Africa the same week of the fed cup finals.. matches are scheduled for 8th, 10th and 1th November..

ys
Oct 9th, 2001, 04:56 PM
Exhibitions are easy to break, ajayares.. It is not a commitment for which they can punish you. And with current political situation one wouldn't need much of an excuse not to fly.. Anna has never missed a Fed Cup ties without a valid excuse. She would not find a valid excuse in playing an exhibition 10000 km away from Europe. If she is selected, she'll play, or she will be at risk of seriously pissing off many people in Russia.

ALPHA
Oct 9th, 2001, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by ys:
<STRONG>If she is selected, she'll play, or she will be at risk of seriously pissing off many people in Russia.</STRONG>

pff, whooo . . . pissing off many people in Russia . . .

. . . may be the way Anna was pissed off by the "fans" last year and this year in Moscow.

It's not that Anna has a good image to secure in Russia anyway - this morons already made their opinion - I still remember that article "Anna, the betrayer", so I guess Anna won't loose any sleep about that.

ys
Oct 9th, 2001, 06:53 PM
ALPHA, you think you know Anna well. Well, you probably don't. Maybe Anna really has two faces, but I don't think so. All I've ever read in her interviews says that she values her Russian connection and her image in Russia very much. She is just smarter than you probably think she is. She knows that the behavior of dozen of idiots shouldn't impact her relationship to her country, and that's the way it is. BTW, do you know that in doubles finals in Kremlin Cup , her support group was very strong and at least matched the Dementieva/Lina support group.
Or should I repost the article by Russian captain Shamil Tarpishev published back in July ( and posted on old boards ), named "Anna Kournikova is always ready to help Russian team"? If she'll be selected, I am sure she'll cancel all those meaningless exhibitions ( why didn't she come to South Africa when I was still there after all <IMG SRC="smilies/smile.gif" border="0">) and plays for her country.

As to that "betrayer" article you mention, for you it probably sounds as what every Russian thinks, but I know that it is prtty much opposite, and she knows that too. The person that wrote that article, wrote similar article about Kafelnikov just a month before he won Olympics for his country. It is just another Russian sports crapwriter, who can write any shit, plagiarise if necessary, a man with no honour. I know our Russian media all too well, and I don't have an awful lot of respect to them.

auntie janie
Oct 9th, 2001, 07:01 PM
ys,
just out of curiousity, why did Anna choose not to play in the Olympics for Russia last year?

ys
Oct 9th, 2001, 07:20 PM
Janie, to be honest, I don't know the precise reason. But at least this is understandable, because she did play a Tour event during the Olympics. So if she was focused on her rankings, that is very valid excuse , IMHO.

auntie janie
Oct 9th, 2001, 07:37 PM
To me that sounds like she put her self-interest first. Pete Sampras was continually blasted in the press for prioritizing his ranking over playing for his country.

If Anna had won that tournament in Luxembourg, I guess her choice would have paid off, but to miss the Olympics only to lose in the semis in a Tier 3 event, that looked bad. <IMG SRC="smilies/tongue.gif" border="0">

Togk 182
Oct 10th, 2001, 12:25 AM
here r my picks fo the russian fed cup team

lina krasnoroutskaya & elena dementieva in singles

anna kournikova & elena likhovtseva in doubles

ajayares
Oct 11th, 2001, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by ys:
<STRONG>Exhibitions are easy to break, ajayares.. It is not a commitment for which they can punish you. And with current political situation one wouldn't need much of an excuse not to fly.. Anna has never missed a Fed Cup ties without a valid excuse. She would not find a valid excuse in playing an exhibition 10000 km away from Europe. If she is selected, she'll play, or she will be at risk of seriously pissing off many people in Russia.</STRONG>


Well, you make a very good case ys, however I am 99% sure now that she is playing in SA..
Another article has indicated that she is going to play for sure, the only reason that will stop her is if something unforeseen happened..

I don't think that means FED CUP..
Anyway, perhaps she feels that she is not a part of the team this year, as she did not play in the last tie (even those she was injured)

BTW I have know doubt that she is a very smart young women..

[ October 11, 2001: Message edited by: ajayares ]

auntie janie
Oct 11th, 2001, 12:37 PM
I am sure Anna is not playing Fed Cup. The exhibition matches are now being widely publicized and I'm sure are VERY lucrative.

Even this summer, before she knew how long her injury would last, Anna had signed another lucrative contact to play Team Tennis in the US during the July Fed Cup week, so she obviously had no plans to play Fed Cup then, either. And Team Tennis is not about ranking points, it's only about $$$$$.

ys
Oct 11th, 2001, 05:34 PM
Well, in any case I hope that she talked to Fed Cup captain before making that commitment. Note, that announcement came relatively short before the exhibition ( one month ahead ), while Detroit exhibition match with Seles was announced long before. Also SA exhbition would require much more logistical effort so probably it was planned a while ago but they waited for her final answer for quite a long. The fact that announcement came right after Kremlin Cup is indicative. She was seen near the captain several times in there, perhaps he agreed not to use her for Fed Cup this year so she could go ahead with that exhibition. In any case, I'd prefer to see her playing for her country, but I am not sure that her foot is ready for quick adaptation to claycourts.

ys
Oct 13th, 2001, 08:01 PM
I think now we got a serious problem of who'll play at #2. We simply don't have a reliable #2, especially for clay. OK, Dementieva is #1.
Likhovtseva is in as an all-rounder. But who will be the #2 singles selection? I hoped that Myskina's results were of any real indication, but losing to a junior, who loses the next round? It doesn't make much sense. I would still oppose selecting Lina - she won't adjust to clay quickly. Then who? Nadia? She is not in good form. Likhovtseva at #2? I would not do that either. I think at this point we can't rule out selecting Tanya Panova, who is the best Fed Cup player in Russia's history. But all in all, I think we are in trouble.

the cat
Oct 13th, 2001, 09:08 PM
Sorry, I don't want Likhovtseva playing singles on red clay. Is there any way they could fly in Maria Sharapova for the occasion?

P.S. - Actually, I would like to see Myskina play #2 singles. She deserves it. But I'm worried about her playing on red clay. Why don't Likhovtseva and Petrova play doubles together in one tournament in preparation for Fed Cup. Is that asking too much? And Nadia's form is so bad at the moment, I don't even know if she can help in the doubles.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 13th, 2001, 10:44 PM
Anastasia has entered into Pattaya City but that was before her good run in Moscow.


Lina will be in squad as I don't see Larisa leaving her out .... not good in player/coach terms.

Lina/Elena if they have another good week here in doubles might even get to play doubles as well.

ys
Oct 14th, 2001, 12:09 AM
Have you seen them playing doubles Lina/Elena D. They are playing like a bad copy of Williams sisters, with no team work at all.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 14th, 2001, 09:02 AM
ys .... thats how most new teams play .... you get better understanding by playing together more often.

Nadia/Elena L are also a new pairing.

I cannot see Elena Likhovtseva being omitted though.... due to her versatility and experience.

ys
Oct 16th, 2001, 04:46 PM
It looks like they'll have to consider Panova now. She is playing well..

auntie janie
Oct 16th, 2001, 06:52 PM
Is Elena L. injured? She was supposed to be top seed in Bratislava this week, and she is not there.

If she is hurt, it will be harder to field a really good team.

auntie janie
Oct 17th, 2001, 01:50 AM
WOW! I have just read ys's searing criticism against the unpatriotic American players who are choosing not to play Fed Cup. <IMG SRC="smilies/eek.gif" border="0">

Here is an excerpt:

"You go and play. And these sissy primadonnas don't want to do that? Who cares about their excuses.."

With that in mind, I fully expect ys to soon unleash the VERY SAME venom against Anna K., who is ALSO choosing not to play, preferring to go for the $$$$$ on offer in South Africa instead.

Or is there one standard for the Americans and another for Anna? <IMG SRC="smilies/rolleyes.gif" border="0">

ys??

[ October 16, 2001: Message edited by: janie ]

ys
Oct 17th, 2001, 04:30 AM
There was an interview of Tarpitshev (Russian captain ) during the Kremlin Cup who said that in his opinion Anna's results are no surprise, that she is not fit to play on the top level yet, that she breathes too heavily after chasing balls, and that he thinks it will take her at least 3-4 more monthes to get back in good form. If I were her, I would clearly consider it as an official non-selection statement.

ys
Oct 25th, 2001, 06:39 PM
Based on current form they just have to select Panova. And apologise for all they did to her at Fed Cup and Olympics non-selection.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 25th, 2001, 06:54 PM
ys ..... I know she's playing great and stuff

but I know they still won't pick her

For her to be picked , Tatiana has to win a SLAM , they just got it in for her for some reason.

ys
Oct 28th, 2001, 08:46 PM
So, are we going to announce out team at all? What is the deadline?

auntie janie
Oct 28th, 2001, 11:50 PM
I don't know, but the options for doubles have certainly multipled in the past few weeks, with titles for Petrova and Bovina, and a finals appearance for Lina and Elena D! Add in the excellent doubles veteran Elena L. and you have an abundance of excellent choices for the coach!

I can't wait to see who they will pick for the dubs.

ys
Oct 29th, 2001, 02:22 AM
Doubles is not a concern. Second singles spot is.

auntie janie
Oct 29th, 2001, 12:44 PM
Won't they just follow the rankings?

ys
Oct 29th, 2001, 03:57 PM
I hope they won't. Otherwise we'll end up playing two Elenas in singles. But honestly, I have no idea who we should play as #2. Not Lina for sure. I would not play Likhovtseva either. Tanya? Nastya? Nadya? I'd play Tatiana just because of her phenomenal FC record.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 29th, 2001, 05:02 PM
ys ..... on Monday Lina will become Russian #2

Elena L #3<br /> Nadia #4<br />Tatiana #5

cos of big changes in next weeks rankings

I know Elena L/Nadia will play in doubles , Nadia has helped her case by winning anothe doubles title in Linz. These two also performed pretty good in SVK.

Bovina has won doubles titles last two weeks.

2nd singles spot is a dilemna , at least in FED CUP no Tiebreaks in final set so Nadya might be a little happy ( she'd he even happier if all 3 sets were AD sets like they were a few years ago)

<br /> we need Fresh2Flash to get us the latest info.

ys
Oct 29th, 2001, 06:32 PM
Shocking selection -<br />Dementieva, Likhovtseva, Petrova, Bovina.

Bovina???

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 29th, 2001, 07:00 PM
Bovina has been picked cos its on clay , that is her best surface and she also has just won 2 doubles titles in last two weeks

disappointed with Lina not being chosen but i kinda new it was coming after what happened in July.

ys
Oct 29th, 2001, 07:41 PM
What happened in July, besides her losing one match? Did she have a fight with Larisa and Shamil?

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 29th, 2001, 08:50 PM
A bit of a disagreement and plus she was left out of the 2nd singles match , didn't go down too well .

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 31st, 2001, 06:21 PM
I just came back from Bolton , met Artem Derapasko and he says Anastasia will be with the FED CUP team next week .

ys
Oct 31st, 2001, 07:33 PM
You mean, she won't play Pattaya? Interesting..

Perhaps, every team MUST have a substitute that can be used if someone gets injured.

And Elena can now go and join her teammates in the last ditch effort to save the season from being a failure.

TheBoiledEgg
Oct 31st, 2001, 07:47 PM
Thats what he said , I asked him how she was and she's fine <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

then I asked him if she's going to Bangkok next week and he said she will be playing with the FED CUP next week

they always have a reserve .

Nadya is now on the list for Pattaya ???????

auntie janie
Oct 31st, 2001, 07:48 PM
I forgot to look here till today -- am very surprised at the makeup of the team! <img src="eek.gif" border="0">

But good luck to them. though it feels strange to cheer on a team that leaves out LINA. <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" />

Anyway I will have now to depart from this Fed Cup cheering thread, to root for the French team, for the sentimental reason of Nat's retirement. <img src="graemlins/angel.gif" border="0" alt="[Angel]" />

AU REVOIR, my Russian Friends! <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" />

May the best team win!

[ October 31, 2001: Message edited by: janie ]</p>

ys
Oct 31st, 2001, 08:37 PM
Janie, dear, Nat won't play singles in Fed Cup, and she won't retire in doubles, so that makes very little sense.. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Skaya
Nov 1st, 2001, 05:31 AM
poor Lina <img src="graemlins/sad.gif" border="0" alt="[Sad]" />

auntie janie
Nov 1st, 2001, 03:26 PM
ys,

oh I guess you are right, it doesn't make sense -- I guess I will have to wait till it is underway and see who I end up rooting for! <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">

In the end, I will probably root for individual players such as Justine ane Elena D., and whatever country wins, i will probably be really happy, because I like almost all of the participating players. <img src="graemlins/hearts.gif" border="0" alt="[Hearts]" /> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> <img src="wink.gif" border="0">

ys
Nov 9th, 2001, 10:01 PM
OK, we can discuss it all we want, but with the selected team we got great, fighting chance to win the whole thing, and we got a good #2, finally.. <img src="smile.gif" border="0">

Go girls, make us proud!

auntie janie
Nov 9th, 2001, 10:08 PM
Congratulations to the Team! What a terrificv surprise this team turned out to be. <img src="graemlins/hearts.gif" border="0" alt="[Hearts]" /> <img src="graemlins/hearts.gif" border="0" alt="[Hearts]" /> <img src="graemlins/hearts.gif" border="0" alt="[Hearts]" /> <img src="graemlins/hearts.gif" border="0" alt="[Hearts]" /> <img src="graemlins/hearts.gif" border="0" alt="[Hearts]" /> <img src="graemlins/kiss.gif" border="0" alt="[Kiss]" /> <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0">

the cat
Nov 10th, 2001, 06:27 PM
The Russians got lucky with Petrova. She has saved the Russian team. Elena D. can't carry them alone. Can she? Udachi Russia! I hope Russia upsets Belgium! I hope the day off helps.

bubble
Nov 11th, 2001, 03:53 AM
I must say that it turned out to be a smart tactical move by Shamil T. With a strong #2 player like Nadia, at least it takes some pressure off from Elena D. Nadia has really impressed many with her power game and strong serve as well as her doubles versatility skills.

<br />And judging from the post-match comments by Nadia and Elena, they are preferring to face Belgium instead of Spain.

<br />All I want to say is All the best Team Russia!!!