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Joana
Nov 11th, 2004, 12:04 AM
I've been on bandwagon since Kremlin Cup. ;)
Good luck, AAA! :yeah:

saab95
Nov 11th, 2004, 04:36 AM
I like the way Nastya plays today vs Serena. 4-2*.

Almalyk
Nov 11th, 2004, 05:36 AM
No!!! She took the first set 6-4, then was up 3-0 in the second set, and she has low lost the last 8 games!!!!

C'mon Nastya!!

Epigone
Nov 11th, 2004, 06:17 AM
Serena d. Nastya 4-6 6-3 6-4

Nastya saved 2 MPs and had a chance to break back in the 10th game, but failed :sad:

Vass22
Nov 11th, 2004, 06:21 AM
Nastya! :sad: :sobbing: :sobbing: :crying2: :crying2: :sobbing:
:sad: :sad: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :scared: :rain:

I woke up at Serena's first MP! Stupid me! I was about to die, when I saw it. Would have been easier to come and just see the result...

Late edit: OMG I'm totally crushed! Can't breathe properly and heart hurts! Настенька! Please! don't let it happen again! For your own good!

JC Federer
Nov 11th, 2004, 06:29 AM
If you lead 3-0 then lose the next 8 games, that's called choking. Or losing concentration. All credit to Serena though.

Joana
Nov 11th, 2004, 06:31 AM
Oh dear... I woke up when it was 6-4 3-1 for Nastya. I can't explain what happened afterwards...

Daniel
Nov 11th, 2004, 06:47 AM
well i think tha tis caled choking and tihsi s not the first time she does it, but agian i knew it was going to be a hard matcxh for Nastya, the most tough in the group, i sitill tihnk she will beat LEna and Lindsay.

and for serena i hope she loses her nextr 2 matches

Vamos Nastya, get back please and start winning :hug:

Emptiness
Nov 11th, 2004, 06:55 AM
I'm so sad now..... http://xs.to/pics/04102/smilie-puppyeyes.gif

Daniel
Nov 11th, 2004, 07:03 AM
Fragance :hug:

dont be sad, i know is bad when she loses when she had chances agian of beating the bitch :sad:
Nastya must focus and win against Lindz and Elena in next matches,

Daniel
Nov 11th, 2004, 07:04 AM
http://images.sportsline.com/u/ap/photos/LAS105111100_1024x768.jpg

nastya in action :yeah:

Daniel
Nov 11th, 2004, 07:12 AM
http://images.sportsline.com/u/gettyimages/photos/51697015SL010_WTA_Champs111102_1024x768.jpg

Emptiness
Nov 11th, 2004, 07:39 AM
Hah "the bitch" i take it you dont like Serena!
I'm okay after telling myself its not the end of the world. However this is a really bad lost, she really needed this win because i don't think she can beat Lindsay once again. I'm even questioning if she can beat Lena. Oh well i guess, atleast she gave the Willies a scare.

That last picture makes Anastasia look so short.

JC Federer
Nov 11th, 2004, 07:52 AM
Hah "the bitch" i take it you dont like Serena!
I'm okay after telling myself its not the end of the world. However this is a really bad lost, she really needed this win because i don't think she can beat Lindsay once again. I'm even questioning if she can beat Lena. Oh well i guess, atleast she gave the Willies a scare.

That last picture makes Anastasia look so short.

For your information, she will not be beating Lena.

Only kidding. :p

Good luck to them both, and may one of them make the SF.

Nastyafan
Nov 11th, 2004, 07:56 AM
OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :bigcry: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):bigcry: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):bigcry: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):bigcry: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):bigcry: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):bigcry: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):bigcry: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):bigcry: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#)
cant believe it has happened again Nastya whyyyyyyyyyyyy :crying2: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):crying2: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):crying2: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):crying2: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):crying2: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#)
blowinng so huge lead how many matches Nastya,, dear
i aldeady deleted the tape i don't want to watch this
thank god i didn't watch it probably i would have died :fiery: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):fiery: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):fiery: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#)

Emptiness
Nov 11th, 2004, 08:11 AM
For your information, she will not be beating LenaI take it back. If the form Lena has shown against Lindsay :eek: continues Anastasia will win.

Bad day for the Russians. http://xs.to/pics/04102/smilie-doh.gif

Spunky83
Nov 11th, 2004, 11:21 AM
Oh man...I got up at 5 am for this match as well. First set was brilliant by Nastya and I donīt want to take away her credit, but Serena really helped her to win that one. It hurt my eyes to see Serenaīs unforced errors, it was really ugly (as a Nastya fan...good, as a tennis fan...ewwww!). Then up to 3-0 in the second set, it really seemed that Nastya would make a quick one out if it and then (of course) she choked for the next 30 minutes in a somewhat brilliant way!!! Iīve gotta say that I was very pleased with Nastyaīs being so calm and cool, I think she didnīt even scream at her coach once during the first hour, but then the usual big fight with her inner self came and everything went down from that point on. Serena finally started to play good tennis and in combination with Nastyaīs oh so tortured mind (Was that really necessary?), she eventually won the match...I guess that was pretty much it, ugly match, weird up and down games by both of them.

@NFan: I am kinda glad you didnīt watch the match, even I had problems watching that match...my heart!!!

...whatīs more: Thereīs a rumour going that Nastya is going to have plastic surgery in order to have perfect teeths? It didnīt sound like the thread starter would make fun of it, so maybe itīs true? You know that I hate gossiping around, but this does make sense somehow...anyone?

Ok, letīs see (realistic view): Nastya should be able to win against Lena in straight sets. Lindz...could be hard, she seemed to be huge yesterday in her match. Maybe at least grab one set, against Lena she should make it in straight sets....so this means: Serena must lose in straight sets against Lindz (very likely) and Lena should...oh no, this is too complicated, I will just wait and see...

cool_olga
Nov 11th, 2004, 11:27 AM
My question is why, why she always has to block her game when she has huge lead in important matches against good players??? :shrug:

God 3-0 and Serena totally down, she would make error of everything if Nastya only kept the ball in...
Again 3-2 for Nastya in third, she won 3 games in a row and looks like she's up. She has few break point to take comfortable 4-2 lead. No she has to make easy errors at 3 BP's if I remember well. Then of course loses her own serve. Oh Nastya...:awww:

Only congrats for her is playing match point very calm and winning them. It looked like she would have turned it around but 2 aces in a row.

Now all stayed is to hope she will play Lena now and Lindsay at the end. I suppose Lindsay will have 2 wins and maybe will not that focused and Nastya can take the second place then. I wish schedulers were with her now.

Spunky83
Nov 11th, 2004, 11:49 AM
Now all stayed is to hope she will play Lena now and Lindsay at the end. I suppose Lindsay will have 2 wins and maybe will not that focused and Nastya can take the second place then. I wish schedulers were with her now.

This is a very interesting thought actually!

Spunky83
Nov 11th, 2004, 11:53 AM
Myskina was philosophical about her failure to close out the match.

"I thought I had the match won at 3-0 in the second," she confessed.

"It's not a tragedy," she said, pointing to the round-robin format in which each player plays three matches and the top two from each of the two groups advance to the semi-finals. "There's two more matches to go."

But Myskina admitted she should have made more of her opportunities.

"I should keep going, put more pressure," she said. "When I was 6-4, 3-0, I kind of stepped back. I was waiting for her mistakes."
AFP

"Waiting for her mistakes?" and "I thought I had the match won"...she knew who Serena Williams is, doesnīt she? If I were a part of her team I would totally yell at her...you just canīt play a match, any match with this attitude!

Nastya won about 108 points, Serena got 100...this is crazy. WIN THE BIG POINTS NASTYA!!!

Emptiness
Nov 11th, 2004, 12:14 PM
Heres another spin on the post-match interview.
Source: Reuters via Yahoo! Australia & NZ News (http://au.news.yahoo.com/041111/15/rotd.html)
Myskina said that she needed to learn how to close out matches.
"Maybe I thought I had already won the match," she said. "When I was ahead I stepped back and was hoping for her mistakes. Maybe I thought it was going to be that way the whole second set. But unfortunately Serena started playing better."I think this was a crucial match. Anastasia being able to absorb and deflect Davenport's power is unlikely especially with this attitude. I recall Anastasia saying a match is never over until matchpoint, why has she abandoned this theory? I think shes just making excuses, she choked and she choked big time.

Nastyafan
Nov 11th, 2004, 12:48 PM
I don't think Nastya will win any match (even set) here. That was a heartbreaking loss similar to the Olympic one. She is mentaly done although she is philosophical (she said she will fight for the bronze too). That loss completely destroyed the positives from KC and Nastya will be again in her post - Olympics condition. That loss is among the worst we spoke about, it's much worse thean Elena's 0,1 because as Nastya said these loses come back in your mind time and time again, you just lose the faith that you can finish the match.. Probably her second and last chance to reach #1 ended here too. And she almost sure will lose her #1 Russian spot too. Nastya undoubtedly will win the award "the choker of the year" That is just inadmissible - a top player to lose so many matches blowing a big lead against lower or unfit players - Frazier, Likhovtseva, Henin, now. And all they came after RG. Except against Vera she didn't win a tough match What happens Nastya whyyyyyy? Did it turn out that the pressure is too much for you?:sad: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):confused: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):crying2: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#)

Emptiness
Nov 11th, 2004, 01:11 PM
No lets give Anastasia more credit than that. Last year she suffered a horrible choke against Justine but defeated Sugiyama in her next match and then gave Jennifer a competitive match. I don't think she'll revert to her post Athens form. I still rate the Athens match as her all time worst lost solely based on the significance it held for her. There is still a chance for her to move past this round and end the year #1 Russian.

Likhovtseva is a dangerous floater. The definition of a yo-yo but she can still trouble top seeds. Henin should never be counted as unfit and Frazier well... yeah that was sad. But Anastasia has won some tough matches, the first set against Dementieva as one example.

Look at the power you have over me Negfan one extremely pessimistic post from you and i turn optimistic in an attept to balance. http://xs.to/pics/04102/smilie-blankstare.gif

JC Federer
Nov 11th, 2004, 01:45 PM
So it was another Athens choker, where she had the match in the bag? That's disappointing. She's gotta work on the mental side of things and not allow a match to slip away like this.

However, I'd rather lose the way she did today than the way Lena did. At least she won a set.

JLDementieva
Nov 11th, 2004, 01:52 PM
I am so disappointed, what a match to watch before i go to sleep! match like that=insomnia!!! Geez, I can't believe those missed opportunities!! Even in the third set, she had chances to take the lead. If Nastya wants to be #1 or even #2 in the world, she canNOT afford to lose matches like this!!!!!!! She always seems to have the mental edge against the Russian players, but against other intimidating players, she has trouble closing matches out!

Spunky83
Nov 11th, 2004, 02:01 PM
No way...this is definetly not an Olympics-choker. This is all I can say about it from my perspective.

Spunky83
Nov 11th, 2004, 02:12 PM
Now all stayed is to hope she will play Lena now and Lindsay at the end. I suppose Lindsay will have 2 wins and maybe will not that focused and Nastya can take the second place then. I wish schedulers were with her now.

Ok, I thought about it and checked todayīs scheduel and it doesnīt look good: Serena vs. Elena today and Lindz and Nastya donīt play. As I donīt think that Elena and Serena will have to play three days in a row, it is veryl likely and logical when Nastya has to play Lindz tomorrow already, so this is the match we should look out for. If she loses this one, thereīs a 1% chance she reaches the final.

It would have been nicer if Nastya plays Elena tomorrow to give her a little bounce for playing against Lindz if she wins.

Well...

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 11th, 2004, 02:31 PM
i just seen the match now as i taped it as i wasnt home

omg, Nastya :fiery: what a choke job, collapse :sad: :fiery:
6-4 *3-0 up, and i was getting excited, then a meltdown of all meltdowns :(

then i thought she might level it up in 3rd, only for it not to be :sad:

she had Serena by the neck and she let her off :(

cool_olga
Nov 11th, 2004, 02:35 PM
Hmm I don;t think it's over.
Nastya won with Lindsay in Moscow so have some more confidence against her thanks god. Nastya is not a player who won't be fighting I think. With Serena those errors in second were beyond her I think, something blocked, she again though she has the match. But she fighted well at match points. If not two aces I think she could have won this match. And she congratulated Serena so nicely at the net, talked a bit so she is not so depressed.
Nastya didn't show good tennis but I hope she can focus really really much on next match and at least try. Who knows, if she plays well anything can happen.
It will be really hard but still there's chance. She is damn No.3 in the world she should be in semis!!!

saab95
Nov 11th, 2004, 02:51 PM
Nastya played as well as she could today, but unlucky.
She had 3 BP at 6-4 3-6 3-2* as Olga well remembered
She had 6-4 3-6 4-5 15-15 and next 2 points 1 cm from the line but both for Rena.
and Nastya had to save 2, 3 MB.
But anyway she's more clever player. And next time she'll be more lucky.

Nastyafan
Nov 11th, 2004, 03:05 PM
Last year she lost to Justine, but lost to the best player and still had a real chance. Now in this mental condition she has 0 chance against Davenport. I'm sure she can't sleep now again and tomorrow is that match. The only slight hope is Alyona to beat Serena but considering her today's performance that looks an illusion too. And entering into their last match with 2 loses Elena will have the motivation to beat finally Nastya, Nastya will have only the .disappointment.
I don't count the match with Elena even with Davenport as tough. Though matches are when you are in a close 3rd set or on the verge of losing in 2 -that are the cases when the mental strength shows itself. And in the last months Nastya just can't pull out such matches, last year she was much better fighter (USO, Leipzig). And last year she was in her way up, she hadn't heaped so many unexpected painful choking loses. That weights heavy.
Well the Olympic loss is still the worst but that's next to it. And I still think Nastya's loss is much worse than Elena's one. When you lose to 0,1 you just haven't had a chance, you have had a bad day but tomorrow it's another one, you forget this loss quickly. Loses like Nastya's stay forever in your mind , you know what golden opportunity you have missed, you are angry, mad, can't forgive yourself. You ask yourself but never find the answers "How did this happen? Why?..."

Nastyafan
Nov 11th, 2004, 03:14 PM
The schedule is the best possible although I don't have much hope. Serena may be tired and Elena may use it. And only Elena's win may partially restore Nastya's spirit
but too slight hope...

ys
Nov 11th, 2004, 03:34 PM
Ugly match.. What can I say..

tenn_ace
Nov 11th, 2004, 03:50 PM
Nastya is the official headcase of the Russian tennis... how may matches ahs she lost while leading my a mile :mad:

ys
Nov 11th, 2004, 04:05 PM
Nastya is the official headcase of the Russian tennis... how may matches ahs she lost while leading my a mile :mad:
No more than Vera did..

Verba
Nov 11th, 2004, 04:06 PM
I'm very disappointed about Nastya's loss. She could easily win this match. And I agree with Ys, it was an ugly match...Not enjoyable.

And ..Nastya.. frustrated about her UEs.

deckham
Nov 11th, 2004, 04:18 PM
oh no... this was horrible. i watched the match live on ESPN and serena didn't stand a chance the first 1 and a half sets... and then nastya just completely lost concentration. :sad: She was doing everything better than serena.. making her run all over and she was actually coming to the net. then she basically stopped coming to the net and started waiting on serena to make errors... oh man....... she can't keep doing this to herself. She knows that she should beating all these women and then her mind lets her down. It just makes it all the more frustrating on herself.... she's being classy in her interviews but you know she's absolutely kicking herself inside.... (jens will have to put up with that... ;) )

and on a side note: serena is a whimpy little woman. after a 30 or 40 hit rally in the 3rd set, serena serving, serena then took about 2 minutes before serving the next point because she was too damn tired to even serve the thing. no warning from the judge because it's serena.... and everyone wants serena to win. and then, to add insult to injury, serena throws "a bad toss" in for her first serve to buy her another 10 seconds.... all this because she can't recover from a long rally the point before. what a wuss. what happened to the rules of tennis... bending them for queen serena??? oh please... that's pathetic.... and serena changing her racket 5 times.. never breaking a string???? and the last one occurring on myskina getting momentum in the 3rd set and myskina serving????? wow.. great class there serena.... i can't stand her...

:drink:

p.s. i love the stupid newspaper articles saying "serena wears out myskina"

LOL :lol: :lol: :lol: ... i'll stop on that .... that's hysterical... i guess they missed those points.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

JC Federer
Nov 11th, 2004, 04:44 PM
Players change racquets frequently to prevent the strings breaking during a point... It can cost you a point if the strings snap mid point. You change them often so that doesn't happen (every change of balls is a good time).

Serena's build looks very fit.. She's big and muscular while Nastya is small and lean. I'm surprised she got tired and Nastya didn't.

Nastyafan
Nov 11th, 2004, 05:08 PM
oh dacky, finaly someone who can't stand someone I thought I'm the only one here

deckham
Nov 11th, 2004, 05:09 PM
i'm not surprised at all... serena is out of shape... nastya is probably the most agile and quickest players on tour... she always wears out her opponent by getting balls back. you don't change your racket 5 times a match... and you don't do it when someone else is serving unless your strings do break. the player serving decides what pace to play at... not the one returning.

deckham
Nov 11th, 2004, 05:11 PM
oh dacky, finaly someone who can't stand someone I thought I'm the only one here
hahaha nastyafan, far from it!! ;)

sorry i haven't been here in so long... i've been keeping up with everything but haven't had the time to hop aboard the message board. i was ticked last night watching that match, but i know she can win the next 2. she blew her chance though and she knows it. that would have been another mental victory knowing she would have beaten serena for the first time....

GRRRRRR !!!! :drink:

Nastyafan
Nov 11th, 2004, 06:11 PM
Don't delude yourself decky, she can't beat Davenport, not in this mental shape unless D. becomes lame (can i pray for it?)

deckham
Nov 11th, 2004, 06:35 PM
nastyafan.. you're horrible!!! ofcourse she can beat davenport. she beat her a month ago.... i know davenport was sick but that's all the confidence nastya needed. we just need to hope nastya doesn't lose concentration... if she doesn't i expect her to win... nastya is very smart, very quick, and very capable of beating anyone... we all know this... ;)

:drink:

Nastyafan
Nov 11th, 2004, 06:50 PM
i said in this mental shape decky, Nastya is totaly mentaly exhausted now, she can't sleep, can't rest, can't forget, playing her next match her mind still will be in the previous one, don't you know how emotional fragile she is?

tenn_ace
Nov 11th, 2004, 07:01 PM
No more than Vera did..

THE DIFFERENCE IS NASTYA'S MATCHES ARE USUALLY BIG ONES

Spunky83
Nov 11th, 2004, 08:20 PM
i said in this mental shape decky, Nastya is totaly mentaly exhausted now, she can't sleep, can't rest, can't forget, playing her next match her mind still will be in the previous one, don't you know how emotional fragile she is?

What the heck do you mean with "mentally exhausted"? From Filderstadt on she is the player we used to know before the Olympics SF. She didnīt win every match and often she had to play three sets to come through in tourneys. Itīs just that the hope is always high now after winning a slam...You canīt still blame that on her lovely super choke from Athens...donīt set your hopes too high Nfan...do you remember telling me that I would have no faith in her, because I said I didnīt think that Nastya is going to reach the final? No youīre the most pessimistic one. I never expected her to win everything, but during that last set yesterday she tried as hard as she could and I think this is worth a notion.

Youīre not going to leave the board for a while again, are you? :wavey:

Forgive and forget...just try to look forward on her next chance!!! :bounce:

cool_olga
Nov 11th, 2004, 08:53 PM
I hope Nastya can suprise you NF...
I actually believe in Lena a bit. Remember last year when it was last round, third match, Lena lost first two and Chanda Rubin had a chance to get 2nd place if she wins. Rubin started well and it was almost sure she wins and what happened? Lena started to fight like crazy and she won and got Rubin out of Champs...I remember Lena saying Russians never loses hope, they fight till the last ball, and she is best example of that. See USO this years and 1.Zvonareva, 2. Mauresmo, 3. Capriati. If she only has some chances she fights. I think she can help Nastya but Nastya has to help herself.

Nastyafan
Nov 11th, 2004, 10:07 PM
What the heck do you mean with "mentally exhausted"? From Filderstadt on she is the player we used to know before the Olympics SF. She didnīt win every match and often she had to play three sets to come through in tourneys. Itīs just that the hope is always high now after winning a slam...You canīt still blame that on her lovely super choke from Athens...donīt set your hopes too high Nfan...do you remember telling me that I would have no faith in her, because I said I didnīt think that Nastya is going to reach the final? No youīre the most pessimistic one. I never expected her to win everything, but during that last set yesterday she tried as hard as she could and I think this is worth a notion.

Youīre not going to leave the board for a while again, are you? :wavey:

Forgive and forget...just try to look forward on her next chance!!! :bounce:
The Olympic choke probably played its part yesterday Spunky. I'm almost sure when she was leading 3-0 it has come and her and she has begun to think "No, that can't happen again" But instead of helping that thought bloked her play.
Yes she can't win every match, but she won no one tough important match agter RG(except Vera).Yes she is still a fighter but what is the use if she never can reach a victorious end? I think she just can't endure the pressure of the big expectations. And thes expectations mixed with the memories of these big choking loses make an awful cocktail in her mind.
Yes you said you think she won't reach final.I f Nastya had won you would have remember other your prediction - that big wins are comming. When you put stakes on red and black you almost sure take them back. I realy belived she would win this one, and she was so close again.... But that doesn't count, nor trying "as hard as she could". I know she tried, she wanted this win no less than me, but that makes the things only worse - then something didn't suffice again. What... and when?The win is the only thing that matters, everything else only hurts. Big wins? Now I see 4 loses in a row coming. Briliant final of the year.:sad: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#)
Yes there is still a slight hope Ola... but drop the substance for the shadow...

bubble
Nov 12th, 2004, 02:52 AM
Let's hope Myskina regroup herself and not think about this awful match for the next match...

Dun give up Nastya!

Almalyk
Nov 12th, 2004, 03:47 AM
Does anyone know who Anastasia next plays? I hope it is Dementieva - she has a better chance of winning this match. I hope she plays Lindsay last, when Lindsay is likely to have already won two matches, and be tired and caring less about the result.

Best of luck Anastasia!!!!

Stephieva
Nov 12th, 2004, 03:54 AM
Does anyone know who Anastasia next plays?According to Friday schedule...it's Lindsay...
They will play the 1st match @ 6:30 PM...

Daniel
Nov 12th, 2004, 06:51 AM
She must win otherwise she can say good bye to the tournament

las year she won only one match, i dont know why she doesnthave much success here, after all it is suppossed to be the best pklayers in the world playing but her results so far in the last 2 years have been so bad.

Vamos Nastya, i knwo u can beat Lindsay just play your game and please dont choke, just keep foucs the whole match :bounce: :D :kiss:

Daniel
Nov 12th, 2004, 06:55 AM
Nastya is the official headcase of the Russian tennis... how may matches ahs she lost while leading my a mile :mad:

:p she is not the worst one, lest see how she does vs Lindsay , i amsure thius time she wont choke, ;)

Go Nastya !!!! :bounce: :hearts:

Nastyafan
Nov 12th, 2004, 08:15 AM
Didn't happen. Alyona lost and the slight chance for Nastya went with it. The rest is a miracle:sad: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#)

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2004, 03:25 PM
I'm still not sure what to say about the match against Serena.
It was a tough match, could have gone either way.
Anastasia is one of the best players in the world.
But she's streaky. Always streaky.

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2004, 03:58 PM
Anastasia can still make the semis. It's been a long, hard year.
With great successes, and tough losses.
Two more tough matches, the battle for Russian #1 ends this week.

JLDementieva
Nov 12th, 2004, 04:19 PM
Nastya has to know that she can beat Lindsay. But somehow I just think that the American players will have the mental edge against the Russians. Especially when it's against Serena, you even give her a chance to come back and you're in trouble.

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2004, 04:38 PM
The match with Serena was so up and down. Great tennis, then UE's.
Back and forth.
I don't know if Anastasia has the energy to win against Davenport.
But Nastya still has a great chance for Russian #1. She has to keep fighting.
2 more matches.

martirogi
Nov 12th, 2004, 04:40 PM
if kuzy makes it to the semis and nastya doesnt, then kuzy moves ahead of her

i think mauresmo and masha will represent the black group tho, so she should be good

the cat
Nov 12th, 2004, 05:13 PM
I keep wondering when the Myskina meltdowns are going to stop. :scratch: Blowing that match to Serena will probably cost her a place in the semifinals. I just don't understand how such a great defensive player like Anastasia can blow matches like she does. She's far to good a player to still be doing that. And Serena is not as good a player as she used to be so that makes Ana's loss to her even more dissapointing. :(

Nastya needs to have a good start against Davenport or she's prbably get steamrolled! :eek: She has the variety and speed to beat Davenport. But to be fair Lindsay is the clear favorite in the because of her superior serve and power.

Nastyafan
Nov 12th, 2004, 05:27 PM
I don't like that battle for Russian #1 any more. I don't want my favs to play their best one against another and to lose against the players I dislike or hate. I won't be glad if Nastya beats Elena again, nor will be more sad if she loses in match with no importance (maybe it is important for Elena but not for Nastya). The match with serena was the one that mattered that loss made almost sure the next one against Davenport How sad the Russian battle of the losers will be .:sad: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):sad: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#):sad: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#)

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2004, 05:30 PM
Anastasia said she wants to be the first Russian to be world #1.
She has a chance next year. Adding more points now will help.

the cat
Nov 12th, 2004, 05:34 PM
Well said Nastyfan. I appreciate how even though you adore Anastasia you can been critical of her too. I think that's an important aspect of being a fair tennis fan.

Nastyafan
Nov 12th, 2004, 06:14 PM
Thanks cat. You are one of few fans who appreciate it. I want to be positive no less than the others and I really adore that girl and it really hurts me for every her loss. I can't be satisfied with these endless hopes for the future. Everything in this life is unique and shouldn't be missed. This year easily could have been Nastya's year and she missed that opportunity. That chance probably will never come again, there are no enough years for every player. The present only matters,the eternal hope and faith in the future are for the religious people but I'm not.

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2004, 06:18 PM
Anastasia has had a tremendous year. She can't win every important match.
No player can.
I wish she would have beaten Justine. Some things aren't to be.
You have to move on. And Nastya has.

Nastyafan
Nov 12th, 2004, 06:39 PM
Yes, she has had a tremendous year but it won't be her year, i'e. she won't be the best player of the year. And that was so close, I believe these 2 matches against Justine (and the slump after) and Serena would have been enough:banghead: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#)

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2004, 06:42 PM
That's possible. But that's how life works.
Anastasia is making money, and winning important titles.
She should be very proud and happy with her year.
There are still more goals to reach.

Nastyafan
Nov 12th, 2004, 07:03 PM
Yes, that's life and it isn't always so generous. She had in big matches unfit Justine and Serena, she had knocked them down, but she had no fortitude to finish them off. And she knows it, she said "I have to learn to finish matches". But will she? And when? And how many opportunities will life give her?

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2004, 07:08 PM
Anastasia is already a huge success, and I hope she gets to world #1.
Russians will be winning majors for years.

Anastasia will always be the first.

Nastyafan
Nov 12th, 2004, 07:23 PM
I hope too but after every big loss I ask myself "Wasn't that her last chance?"

t_fan
Nov 12th, 2004, 07:28 PM
I keep wondering when the Myskina meltdowns are going to stop. :scratch: Blowing that match to Serena will probably cost her a place in the semifinals. I just don't understand how such a great defensive player like Anastasia can blow matches like she does. She's far to good a player to still be doing that. And Serena is not as good a player as she used to be so that makes Ana's loss to her even more dissapointing. :(
I think she has developed herself a nice mental block against playing attacking tennis while leading. It seemed to me that she naturally started to go for more winners than just seemed to promptly back off but backed off too much and completely botched several easy shots. She had no time to recover as Serena just gathered herself and appeared almost calm to serve the match out.

Nastyafan
Nov 12th, 2004, 08:25 PM
I just noticed she has won 3 more points and 3 less games. That means Nastya has won almost all her games to 0 or 15 and lost to 30 or deuce.I remember she had a similar statistic against Frazier.What's this? Wrong tactic - putting all efforts in the easy games? Lack of mental strenght when the game is tough? Lack of killing instinct? Nastya you were one of the best fighters. Why can't you pull out a single tough match even when you are better? What happens with you?

Nastyafan
Nov 12th, 2004, 11:04 PM
No one is excited about Nastya's match. :sad:
I don't belive in miracles, but still I will turn on the recorder and when I wake up...
well, the hope dies last.
Try Nastenka, please!:kiss:

tuffmuff
Nov 13th, 2004, 12:44 AM
i think anastasia good tennis player. she has good running and hit good with two hands on the back.

she looks better if she shave her armpits and her vagina though. i don't like hair on the woemn

the cat
Nov 13th, 2004, 01:11 AM
You might be right, t_fan. It seems as though Nastya has developed a mental block when she gets a nice lead against good players. She has a hard time putting them away. I think she can correct this problem but she will need a break through win where she wipes out a top player like Lindsay Davenport or Serena Williams from the first point to the last point to break though that mental block.

JLDementieva
Nov 13th, 2004, 02:11 AM
Nastya plays in 20 minutes, I really don't know how I should feel about this match, I really really want to be optimistic, but all odds are against that!

Almalyk
Nov 13th, 2004, 04:09 AM
Anastasia beats Davvy! 7-6 6-4! Yeehah!!!
Now a win over Elena would give her a very good chance in reaching the semi-finals and staying Russian number one!!

Did anyone have a report on this match? Being from New Zealand we see nothing!

PS- where did you hear that rubbish tuffmuff?

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 13th, 2004, 04:16 AM
Nastya :yeah: :D :) great win again over LD :)

now any win over Lena will get her into semis.

cool_olga
Nov 13th, 2004, 04:25 AM
U-N-B-E-L-I-E-V-A-B-L-E !!!!!!!!!! :woohoo:

Wow wow and once again wow, so concentrated Nastya we haven't seen since French Open!!! And much better play today than that.
Nastya suprised even me! And to see her huge happiness after win is really really wonderful! :) :)
She opened herself a way to semis now she has the easiest opponent and let Serena and Lindsay battle, yay!
But she has to be same focused also tomorrow and don;t let this great win be for nothing.
One pesymistic fan maybe will be bit more positive next time? ;)

VeraNuVirgosFan
Nov 13th, 2004, 04:43 AM
Well done!

Congratulations!

TartarVicario
Nov 13th, 2004, 05:33 AM
Hehe Nas beat Diva Davy second time in row :worship: :kiss:

Complete your success with a win over Demented ;)

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 05:35 AM
WHAT WHAT?:eek::eek:
Is this true or I'm still sleeping.
Wait a moment I need a big cup of coffee....:yawn:

Yea it seems it's true:woohoo: :bounce: :worship::banana:
Nastya darling:kiss: :hearts: :inlove: where did you find that fortitude:eek: ? I really didn't expect this. I'm just speechless but so so happy. I want to jump, to dance to scream to sing in that beautiful rain.:aparty: :banana: :dance: :music:
But first to enjoy the tape...:worship:

JLDementieva
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:26 AM
YES NASTYA!!! :woohoo: This is amazing!!!! Too bad the match wasn't televized :( Nastya must've been on fire!!! I totally didn't expect a straight set win!!!! Come on Nastya, make the semis!!! This will be the only time I'll cheer for you against Elena ;)

t_fan
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:38 AM
Great, great win Nastya. Why hadn't you done this to Serena?!

Daniel
Nov 13th, 2004, 07:09 AM
Nastya i just love you, this is what i was xpecting from you, a top win, now go and beat Elena agian and get in the semis, we know u can do it, just be focus all the time until the last point.

Good luck my wonderful Nastya!!!! :bounce: :yeah: :kiss: :hug:

Daniel
Nov 13th, 2004, 07:23 AM
http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20041113/capt.cacp10111130425.wta_championships_cacp101.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20041113/capt.cacp10211130424.wta_championships_cacp102.jpg

pci form Nastya vs. Davenport ;)

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 07:29 AM
I can't believe, something has happened with my recorder and it has stoped at 3-2 in the 1st set. Eurosport just replayed the end, so I saw only first 5 and last 3 games.:banghead: The last 2 games probably would have wrecked my nerves - Nastya had 0-30 and an opportunity for 0-40 at 5-3 but wasted it and then started with DF:mad: But how easier is to watch it when you know she has woooooon:worship:
Oh definitely it isn't easy to be Nastya's fan, but moments like this when you have lost almost any hope justify it:kiss:
Is the job almost done? Alona can't do with her best friend what she did last year with Chanda, can she? Is it possible the obsession to beat Nastya to be stronger that their friendship?
BTW Does anyone know exactly the regulations? I mean: if three players have equal wins, what matters - sets between them or all sets?
I know it doesn't matter if Nastya wins:worship: , but if she loses:fiery: (i don't want even to think, but you never know with her) it may be important.:unsure:

Daniel
Nov 13th, 2004, 07:48 AM
i think she has to win and she makes it, i beleive she will beat Elena and will go to her first semis in the YEC, :yeah:

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 08:04 AM
I know if Nastya wins she is sure in, the only questionable situation is if Nastya and Davenport lose:fiery:

Dementinator
Nov 13th, 2004, 09:15 AM
Hi From the Bridge of SS Dementieva!!

Capt Dementinator Here!

Well done GunBoat Myskina!! you inflicted heavy damage on USS DAvenport!! she is listing badly to starboard and lost all power!!

Would like to congratulate you myself and llok forward to a good match tonight , i think you will have the advantage as ,slow courts and Lena playing Poo at the moment but hey I aint giving up we have a very fast and powerful vessel here and we have been working on our new Weapon Delivery system (serve) I think it still needs work but its improving I am sure u will agree!
But what ever happens I feel GunBoat Myskina is our Sister ship and I will not be to upset if we lose AGAIN!! but do beware Lena is improving her match with Serena was much better than her match with Linds!!
Please go easy on Lena as she is probably a bit pissed with her performance thus far but I think she has had a great year!! and so has Myskina.
Good Luck to them both and may the best on the day win!!

Right back to work ,lets get them Dementination torpedoes loaded!!

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 10:37 AM
Welcome on our deck capt Dementinator. Thanks for the congratulations on the remarkable battle and win of our Gunboat. I would like our fleet to cross the Pacific and to fly Russian flag over LA together like in Paris, but as your SS has heavy damages, please don't put too much efforts in that last exercise for you and let our Gunboat to continue the battle against the common enemies in full force.

Nastya's sister
Nov 13th, 2004, 10:45 AM
Fantastic match, Nastya! :bounce:
I think it was great that she actually was able to pull herself together after the loss against Serena. Now, let us all hope that she'll win over Elena (I would have preferred that they both could advance from the group) and be able to go into the semis :D

Dementinator
Nov 13th, 2004, 10:58 AM
Welcome on our deck capt Dementinator. Thanks for the congratulations on the remarkable battle and win of our Gunboat. I would like our fleet to cross the Pacific and to fly Russian flag over LA together like in Paris, but as your SS has heavy damages, please don't put too much efforts in that last exercise for you and let our Gunboat to continue the battle against the common enemies in full force.


whatever the out come We will cross the Pacific together with Russian Flag held high!!

and should we win ,we can always give u a tow!!

Seriously ,i hope for a good match! if Lena gotta lose ,it might as well be to the GunBoat Myskina!!

Back to the S Dementieva now!! I am getting reports Lena wants her breakfast and we all know how she likes her food!! so gotta get our supplies manager to take a wheel barrow down to the dining Room!!

KV
Nov 13th, 2004, 11:31 AM
Great win vs. Lindsay. Situation reversed in a fav. position to make the semis.

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 11:43 AM
They replayed the second se on Eurosport and only now I realized that Nastya has been leading with 3-0 and 2 breaks again and then almost....:fiery:
Thank God and Goddess Nastya that didn't happen again:bowdown: :angel:
http://img16.exs.cx/img16/1016/51736229.jpg

http://images.sportsline.com/u/gettyimages/photos/51715458LB004_WTA_Champs111300_1024x768.jpg

Can't she believe herself?:kiss: :angel:

But where is the Nastya's Gunboat crew? Spunky, Decky, Ola ...where are you?:confused:

Emptiness
Nov 13th, 2004, 11:51 AM
!!!!!!!!!!!
She did it!!! http://pics.xs.to/pics/04102/smilie-clapshout.gif
I expected to come on here and see Davenport def. Myskina but no!

http://pics.xs.to/pics/04102/smilie-groupbounce.gif

cool_olga
Nov 13th, 2004, 01:07 PM
I am here :) Still so happy about Nastya's win! My mood increased a lot today.

From my counting the situatuion is like this:
If Nastya wins with Lena in two she is sure of advancing. And if Lindsay wins with Serena all three with have two points but:
*Nastya is 5-2 in sets
*Lindsay is 4-2 in sets
*Serena is 4-3 in sets
So Nastya and Lindsay advance

If Nastya wins in two and Lindsay in three it is:
*Nastya 5-2
*Lindsay is 4-3
*Serena is 5-3
Nastya and Serena advance

If Nastya wins in three and Lindsay in two:
*Nastya is 5-3
*Lindsay 4-2
*Serena 4-3
Nastya and Lindsay advance

If Nastya in three and Lindsay in three:
*Nastya 5-3
*Lindsay 4-3
*Serena 5-3
Nastya and Serena advance

So if I think well no matter in how many sets but if Nastya wins she is in semis...

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 01:28 PM
I already said it if Nastya wins or if Davenport loses in 2 Nastya is sure in.:yeah:
The only complicated situation is if Nastya loses in 2:fiery: and Davenport loses in 3 then they both will have 3-4sets, Elena will be 2-4 and I don't know what counts then - the games or the direct meeting Nasta-D.:confused:

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 01:42 PM
I wonder for which of the Americans to cheer tonight.
I dislike them almost equally (but today for the first time I saw Davenport nice in the defeat and maybe I will dislike her less) but what is more advantageously for Nastya?
If serena wins in 2 that makes Nastya sure second, but no chanche for first. If Davenport wins, Nastya isn't sure but with a great chance to be first and that is more points and probably Masha in SF who is much more suited opponent for Nastya.
Tough choice, can't they both lose?:confused:

Hantuchov
Nov 13th, 2004, 02:48 PM
Good Luck Nastya! :D :yeah:

Make it into the SF's and win the whole thing :bounce:

the cat
Nov 13th, 2004, 02:56 PM
A Myskina/Sharapova final would be appealing to me because both players have won a grand slam singles title and that match would undoubtedly be for player of the year honors.

As for today round robin match between Myskina and Dementieva the question is will Dementieva continue to be Myskina's pigeon? I would think so since Anastasia does everything better than Elena expect hit the forehand.

cool_olga
Nov 13th, 2004, 02:56 PM
I am with Davenport and that would be better as you said if Nastya wins in 2 she will take 1st place then. Mauresmo is tough and Nastya always knows how to play with Sharapova...
But important it is to make semis no matter which place now, she has to win her match this counts.
Nastya was extremely nice at the net both after Serena match and now Lindsay, she started short talk to both :yeah:

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2004, 03:20 PM
Anastasia is already a huge success, and I hope she gets to world #1.
Russians will be winning majors for years.

Anastasia will always be the first.
I don't know why everyone is so surprised.
Anastasia is the world #3.
She's a tremendous player, and a great competitor.

deckham
Nov 13th, 2004, 03:20 PM
Well said Nastyfan. I appreciate how even though you adore Anastasia you can been critical of her too. I think that's an important aspect of being a fair tennis fan.
disagreeing with you here cat... you guys (nastyafan and you, and a few others who randomly visit) only have critical things to say of nastya when things go bad. she's streaky and that's it.... but when was the last time she ever got "steamrolled." probably davenport in the acura classic.... and since then she has beaten davenport and, like i predicted ;) , beat davenport again last night... where is the confidence in you 2? in the States we call you guys fairweather fans..... :hehehe:

i have nothing but confidence in nastya... that's a fan....

deckham
Nov 13th, 2004, 03:30 PM
but that post was a bit harsh... i apologize... i know your neg-fan so i need to come to terms with that.... hahaha... ;)

let's drink :drink: to nastya's success against davenport and we'll save a little :drink: for later.... nastya loves her indoors and knows she can beat anybody... this is just lovely!!!

and i second a sharapova/myskina final... i think that would be great... AND... when myskina beats sharapova in the final she can get more attention worldwide and beat sharapova for the 4th time ... woohoo! ;)

and if nastya does win YEC she is hands down the player of the year... same with sharapova. this years best player should be the player who's won a grand slam and the YEC.... :) (nastya ofcourse.. ;) )

lol.. i've gone bonkers... happy for nastya!!!!

:drink: :drink: :drink:

Crazy_Fool
Nov 13th, 2004, 03:45 PM
I'll be happy for her if she wins tonight, but its not all certain. People are speaking like she's qualified already, she's only won a match, and Lena D i doubt will just rollover and die for her. And if she chokes again :fiery:

I do think she'll win, but i'm getting nervous thinking about it now :o

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2004, 03:53 PM
This is a huge match for Anastasia. The difference in money is at least $120,000. With the chance to earn a million.
This match is also worth over 100 points. With the chance to earn several hundreds more.
This is the third huge match this year between Anastasia and Elena.
Nastya knows what she has to do.

the cat
Nov 13th, 2004, 03:59 PM
I live in the United States deckham. :p

Udachi Nastya! :D

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 04:09 PM
Grrr decky you shouldn't have said it especially now. If I was a fairweather I wouldn't have stayed here after every her loss and usualy to soliloquize...I do it because it hurts me,because I can't take it easy and to do something else without thinking about it. And lately you are one of these randomly visitors here...:fiery:

But today is a happy day for us and we should celebrate:drink: :aparty: , not to argue who is a better fan. And where is your usual poem?
Yea Nastya-Masha will be the dream final here after Lena has no chance, but better not to look too ahead. There are still 2 steps to the final. Please Nastya, don't stumble now:kiss:

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2004, 04:12 PM
I expect Lena to fight hard. She wants to be Russian #1 next year, and she knows she has to beat Anastasia.
This will be a tough battle.
If Nastya wins, the semis are like a major - $250,000.
Then $1 million and $500,000 to the finalists.

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 04:46 PM
I hope Elena won't put too much effort. Would it be fair to her friend if she lost to Davenport almost without fight and brings her best against Nastya.
Well there still is a case when everyone could be happy - if Serena beats Davenport in 2 then Nastya/Lena can stage a perfect show:secret: - 2-1 for Lena - she will have a win, and Nastya will be second ;)

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2004, 04:50 PM
Lena has very few points to defend until Key Biscayne.
A win here is over 100 points. It means something.
For Nastya, 3 more wins means 700 points and $1 million.

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 05:41 PM
I said, the true friendshiep should cost much more than 100 points IMO. Nastya should have lost to Vera if that match had taken place last week and Vera needed it, now it's Elena's turn to make her sacrifice

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2004, 05:55 PM
A true friendship shouldn't affect their profession. Lena will try her best. She beat Rubin last year.
But Anastasia could have beaten Serena. She has to win this match.

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:08 PM
The profession is the biggest part of the life

but I composed a great plan:
Jens and Olga should meet and come to an agreement:
if Serena wins in 2 - let Lena win with any score
if Serena wins in 3 - Elena can still win but in 3 - so one set each and the best to win in the third
if Serena loses - sorry Lena, next year
isn't fair?

Verba
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:09 PM
I expect Lena to fight hard. She wants to be Russian #1 next year, and she knows she has to beat Anastasia.
This will be a tough battle.
If Nastya wins, the semis are like a major - $250,000.
Then $1 million and $500,000 to the finalists.
Actually, Lena wants to be #1 in the world...

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:11 PM
I keep telling you, over and over, that what Anastasia has done this year is tremendous.
She doesn't want a favor. She wants to earn it.
Anastasia is a champion. She doesn't need a favor.

All of them want to be world #1. First they have to pass Nastya.

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:30 PM
You are tooo idealistic. Much worse things happen in sport (and not only).

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:32 PM
I may be idealistic. But tennis is a sport where a woman can earn millions, and become a worldwide celebrity.
Anastasia, Lena, and Anna all grew up in Moscow. All of them born in 1981.
Tennis has been good to them. And they've been great for tennis.

katiektc
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:37 PM
I may be idealistic. But tennis is a sport where a woman can earn millions, and become a worldwide celebrity.
Anastasia, Lena, and Anna all grew up in Moscow. All of them born in 1981.
Tennis has been good to them. And they've been great for tennis.



i agree GL,u said it well! they have fame and money, but most of all they are at the top of their sport,which means most to them! they also have been great for tennis,and not just in russia.:worship:

JCF
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:41 PM
GO MYSKINA!!! :hearts: :kiss: :bounce: :worship: :drool: :banana:

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:48 PM
I don't find how this contradict my conception. They shoul help each other not to put obstacles. This year Nastya has a chance , next year may be Lena. And instead of big money, points and celebrity they may receive only applauds for the sportsmanship. Who needs it? If Elena had chance I would have claimed that Nastya should let her

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2004, 06:50 PM
This is Lena's last match of 2004. I think she wants to play hard.
If she lets Anastasia win, that's okay.
But I don't expect that. And neither should Anastasia.

JLDementieva
Nov 13th, 2004, 08:40 PM
I don't think Elena is going to let Nastya win, and I don't think Nastya would want that either. It would mean so much more if Nastya could win this on her own. Nastya should expect a tough match today.

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 09:01 PM
It seems I'm the only one corrupted here.:fiery: Still I think the pledge is too big to be risked for the pride. And it won't be even for mercenary motives, it would be in the name of their friendship. I think I would always do it

the cat
Nov 13th, 2004, 09:31 PM
I think Myskina will defeat Dementieva 6-2 6-3 and advance to the semifinals of the 2004 YEC.

Nastyafan
Nov 13th, 2004, 11:04 PM
So Davenport won and Nastya needs a win too - in straight to be first, in 3 to be second.
After the first set I really wanted Serena to win in 2 so my favs can play without pressure but didn't happen. Now I'm getting nervous again. Ithink I won't watch this match live either. I don't know what I will feel toward my second fav if she does that to Nastya. Please Lena, no heroism here.:bowdown:
Good luck Nastya, 2 surprises are already enough, please no this time:kiss:

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 14th, 2004, 02:52 AM
Nastya in semis :yeah: :D :)

she beat Lena 6-3 6-3 to make it as gp winner

semis she plays Maria Sharapova
good luck Nastya ;)

you can close right in on the #1 slot :)
win semis then we'll see :)

beauty_is_pink
Nov 14th, 2004, 02:54 AM
congrats to Nastya and good luck against Sharapova. You can do it Nastya :)

JLDementieva
Nov 14th, 2004, 03:10 AM
Way to go Nastya!!! You deserve this semifinal spot!! good luck tomorrow, and show us what you're capable of! :yeah:

Nastyafan
Nov 14th, 2004, 04:33 AM
:woohoo: Nastya you did it girl!!!:yeah: :yippee: :bounce:
And I think it was a fair battle Elena thied her best, she was running alot, she was defending desperately, she tried to do the same as vs Chanda after 5-2 and MP but Nastya was too good and consistent again.:worship:
Only her shoulder worries me. Nastya wasn't serving very well in the last games and during the last changeover he was stretching het arm and rubbing the shoulder obviously she had some pain.:scared::hug:
Rest quickly girl, take some therapy and be ready for your next favourite client -Masha!:kiss: :hearts: :inlove:

Daniel
Nov 14th, 2004, 07:19 AM
Congrats my baby :hug:

now go and beat Maria and get into the final :bounce: :D :D

cool_olga
Nov 14th, 2004, 08:44 AM
Wow, congrats Nastya !!! And she has first place! :woohoo:
Wasn't the most interesting match but win is important :)
Masha plays better now that earlier this year. Just last match was strange, she had always sad face, was not pumping and even didn't scream (is it possible? :eek: ) Definitely weird thing was going on with her.

Nastya as the only one gave heart to Lindsay, what a nice girl we have here :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/cool_olga/DavenportPorsche4352.jpg

Dementinator
Nov 14th, 2004, 11:09 AM
Captain Dementinator SS Dementieva here, permision to come aboard!!

Well i have to congratulate Nastya ,a good win AGAIN!! well I am not too Dissappointed Lena just hasnt played as well as she should this week and Slow courts are alwyas gonna favour Nastya!
Well done anyways ,I feel our chief engineer may have throttled back our engines a bit in the latter stages as we coulda fought a bit harder but never mind!!
Now damn well win this or else!!!
I will contact your captain when we leave and we will both return to Moscow proud of what we have bot achieved this year!
But Beware 2005 is gonna be different ,look out for SS DEmentieva!!

Good Lucjk Gun Boat Myskina!!!

Capt Dem

Nastyafan
Nov 14th, 2004, 02:13 PM
Sail with the wind SS Dementieva. Greetings to Moscow! We have a bit more to do here but we will return soon too.
Yes, your engines didn't work wery well here but still it was a great year for your SS and we both can return in Moscow very proud!
Enjoy the vacation and come back even stronger next year SS Dementieva:wavey: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#)

Yea we have the nicest and heartiest girl on tour Ola.:hearts: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#) It seems the heart is her favourite drawing. But where is this pic from and how did you guess wich drawing is Nastya's one?

JCF
Nov 14th, 2004, 02:17 PM
Wow, congrats Nastya !!! And she has first place! :woohoo:
Wasn't the most interesting match but win is important :)
Masha plays better now that earlier this year. Just last match was strange, she had always sad face, was not pumping and even didn't scream (is it possible? :eek: ) Definitely weird thing was going on with her.

Nastya as the only one gave heart to Lindsay, what a nice girl we have here :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/cool_olga/DavenportPorsche4352.jpg
I think Davenport and Myskina are good friends!! And i hope so cos they are really nice and not disrespectful to anyone, they are both very sweet players!!

KV
Nov 14th, 2004, 02:29 PM
Congratulations for reaching the semi-final. :)

Hantuchov
Nov 14th, 2004, 04:08 PM
Good Luck tonight Nastya! :bounce:

goldenlox
Nov 14th, 2004, 05:27 PM
I expect Maria to play better than she has in their previous matchups.
Maria really wants to beat Anastasia. She's beaten all the other top 20 Russians.
Nastya has to play her best tennis.
I hope she gets a rematch with Serena. Then she closes the gap with Davenport and Mauresmo for world #1.

cool_olga
Nov 14th, 2004, 05:28 PM
Yea we have the nicest and heartieet girl on tour Ola.:hearts: (http://www.wtaworld.com/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=34#) It seems the heart is her favourite drawing. But where is this pic from and how did you guess wich drawing is Nastya's one?
Of course Nastya is the nicest :)
I didn;t guessed I knew. It is very simple because I just looked which signature is Nastya's. You know she gave me few signatures in Sopot one for me and I asked for 2 more for competitions :)

the cat
Nov 14th, 2004, 06:02 PM
Myskina deserves a big edge over Sharapova in their YEC semifinal match. But even though Myskina owns Sharapova so far in their career I don't expect Masha to play like she's Anastasia's pigeon the way Dementieva does.

I also think this match should determine 2004 WTA Tour Player of the Year honors because both players have won a grand slam singles title and the winner of todays match will be in the YEC final at the very least while neither Serena Williams or Amelie Mauresmo has even won a grand slam singles title this year and in Mauresmo's case she didn't even make a grand slam singles final and that should be held against her.

Nastyafan
Nov 14th, 2004, 06:02 PM
oh stupid me
i have seen her signature too but just now i saw that A.M.:banghead:

Nastyafan
Nov 14th, 2004, 06:22 PM
I doubt the final will be enough for any of them to be chosen for the player of the year especially if Momo wins, cat. I think the winner will be chosen unless it's Serena, then probably it will be Davenport.
I don't expect an easy match today, but still hope Nastya will be able to frustrate Masha and to keep their H2H clear

the cat
Nov 14th, 2004, 06:34 PM
Well then the POY will be bogus because if Myskina or Sharapova don't win it then a player who didn't win a big grand slam match all year will win the POY award and that's not right.

I think Myskina will defeat Sharapova 6-4 6-3 and advance to the 2004 YEC final.

goldenlox
Nov 14th, 2004, 06:53 PM
I love these all Russian matchups. If Anastasia wins 2 more matches, she will be close to world #1.
Either way, Nastya is Russian #1 for 2004. And 2003. And 2002.

Nastyafan
Nov 14th, 2004, 06:53 PM
I would be glad if WTA chiefs think like you, but I doubt
I would be glad if your prediction for the match will come true as well:worship:
btw yesterday you almost got it, I rely on you.:yeah:
only I wonder how do you make so easy predictions against your favs;)

Spunky83
Nov 14th, 2004, 07:13 PM
But where is the Nastya's Gunboat crew? Spunky, Decky, Ola ...where are you?:confused:

NFAN!!! So, I hope you will never underestimate Nastya again..."she wonīt win anotehr set" :lol: ...Iīve been home this weekend at my parents house and they donīt have internet, but of course Iīve been cheering all weekend long and it helped!!! I am sooo glad she made it to the sf and in what a fashionable way...number one in a killer-monster-group...yes!!!! :bounce:

Now go, kick Mashaīs butt!!!

the cat
Nov 14th, 2004, 07:14 PM
What did I almost get yesterday, Nastyafan? And why did you put a wink smiley;) at the end of your statement about wondering why I predict against my faves? Are you accusing me of using reverse psychology or somehting to help my faves? ;) :p Nyet I say! I am a tennis fan who is a realist. Even when it comes to my faves. I know Myskina is a better tennis player than Sharapova is in 2004 and I have no problem admitting it. I try to be fair and impartial. Da.

goldenlox
Nov 14th, 2004, 07:15 PM
This is the cheering thread of the Russian #1. And there's nothing to feel bad about.
Anastasia is finishing a great year. An historic year.
A Fed Cup championship would be the best ending to 2004.

the cat
Nov 14th, 2004, 07:19 PM
Who's feeling bad about something, GL? :confused:

Spunky83
Nov 14th, 2004, 07:23 PM
Of course Nastya is the nicest :)
I didn;t guessed I knew. It is very simple because I just looked which signature is Nastya's. You know she gave me few signatures in Sopot one for me and I asked for 2 more for competitions :)

Who else has, might I say...such an incredible creative signature :lol: ...actually she changes that two years ago or something, might have thought that her name is just to long to write it out... :cool: ...and how cute is that heart???

Nastyafan
Nov 14th, 2004, 07:32 PM
What did I almost get yesterday, Nastyafan?.I think Myskina will defeat Dementieva 6-2 6-3 and advance to the semifinals of the 2004 YEC. And why did you put a wink smiley;) at the end of your statement about wondering why I predict against my faves? Are you accusing me of using reverse psychology or somehting to help my faves? ;) :p Nyet I say! I am a tennis fan who is a realist. Even when it comes to my faves. I know Myskina is a better tennis player than Sharapova is in 2004 and I have no problem admitting it. I try to be fair and impartial. Da.I don't accuse you cat, but the reverse psychology came to my mind, I know you have a theory about it.

Nastyafan
Nov 14th, 2004, 07:43 PM
NFAN!!! So, I hope you will never underestimate Nastya again..."she wonīt win anotehr set" :lol: ...Iīve been home this weekend at my parents house and they donīt have internet, but of course Iīve been cheering all weekend long and it helped!!! I am sooo glad she made it to the sf and in what a fashionable way...number one in a killer-monster-group...yes!!!! :bounce:

Now go, kick Mashaīs butt!!!I guess I will have to apologize again but as the people begin to resemble to their cats, so fans begin to resemble to their favs. What can I do when Nastya loses when I'm almost sure in her and when I have lost almost any hope she wins. And you had no more hopes than me, even before the tourney you didn't belive she can reach the final(well, she still isn't)

Spunky83
Nov 14th, 2004, 08:25 PM
I guess I will have to apologize again but as the people begin to resemble to their cats, so fans begin to resemble to their favs. What can I do when Nastya loses when I'm almost sure in her and when I have lost almost any hope she wins. And you had no more hopes than me, even before the tourney you didn't belive she can reach the final(well, she still isn't)

Yep, but she made it to the finals!!! I donīt have surreal hopes like I said before. Masha is in a magnificent shape right now, she played awesome the whole week (not counting that "fun"-Momo match yesterday) and I really donīt like to say whoīs gonna win that SF. It could be a very, very close and intense match...I am just looking forward to this. Of course, loved to see Nastya win, but overall I am already very satisfied and happy with her performance, so I just hope she will play with 100% and try to beat the :tape: out of Masha.

BTW: Whatīs that word Nastya has written under her signature? Looks like "Russia" :confused:

Nastyafan
Nov 14th, 2004, 08:42 PM
Spunky you are very cautious in your expectations. You never know with Nastya but I think she will frustrate Masha and win comparatively easily. But as I said when I have high expectations...:fiery:
But she believes she can win the tourney:
Я хорошо понимала, что после матча я либо выйду в полуфинал, либо поеду домой. Очень рада, что продолжу борьбу. Думаю, мне по силам стать лучшей на этом турнире".Do it Nastjusha, please!:yeah:

Spunky83
Nov 14th, 2004, 08:54 PM
Yep, but she made it to the finals!!!

Ups!!! Well, I think my heart works differently than my brain does...interesting!

:worship: @my heart! :lol:

Nastyafan
Nov 14th, 2004, 09:24 PM
Oh I wonder should I try to sleep again. Last 2 nights it worked well, but it's too early now and I couldn't get to sleep easily. Should I risk to watch? At least I like Masha but not when she plays Nastya.
Nastya please take care of my nerves!:bowdown:

Spunky83
Nov 14th, 2004, 10:05 PM
Hehe...Lindz and Nastya really seem to get along pretty well, donīt they?

Asked before the decisive last match whoīs gonna come out of top, she answered:""I would be floored if Myskina lost to Dementieva, Myskina is a better player and she's played well here."

Nice...itīs a pity she didnīt finish in two sets against Serena yesterday.

Nfan...I think youīre old enough to decide whether to go sleep or to stay awake. For your sake I really hope that the match wonīt be as thrilling and breath-taking as the current semifinal, a killer-match!

Epigone
Nov 14th, 2004, 11:39 PM
Nastya took the 1st set 6-2

I hope that she keeps up the good work and wins in 2 :)

JLDementieva
Nov 15th, 2004, 12:42 AM
Nastya is killing me!!!! She totally lost it in the second set, why does she always do this when I watch her play!!!!! And ESPN cut my coverage so now I can't watch the math!!! :fiery: Come on Nastya please please please please win!!!!!

JLDementieva
Nov 15th, 2004, 12:52 AM
Nastya just lost 6-2, 2-6, 2-6. She saved some MP's, not enough though. :sad: :sad:
But Congrats to Nastya on a great year, just don't get mad at the jumbotron (or whatever it's called) next time :)

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 12:59 AM
oh nastya:crying2: :crying2: :crying2:
what happened after the first set?
why let her back? and why 5 straight games again?
and why are you so unlucky girl, - that ankle and that shoulder, why when you had so great chance, whyyyy?
i knew i shouldn't have seen that match, it was too much for me, i tried after 4-0 but didn't help...
still a great tourney, i know if you were fit the outcome probably would have been another but still it hurts hurts:crying2: :crying2: :crying2:

beauty_is_pink
Nov 15th, 2004, 01:02 AM
:sobbing:
Nastya!!!! :bigcry: :sad:
that's it. season is over for me. all my players are done.

t_fan
Nov 15th, 2004, 01:07 AM
Nastya :sad: I hope she won't go slumping from now. There is the FC in two weeks time!

Emptiness
Nov 15th, 2004, 01:41 AM
I'm very mad and disappointed. You beat Lindsay and then lose like that to Maria?! Someone you've spanked 3 times in the recent years?! Just imagine how happy ESPN is... they don't deserve it. Had such a good chance to win this, Momo is a choker and you've almost beat Serena. Horrible.

What happened? Anyone who got to watch.. did Anastasia just underestimate Maria or did she really go after Momo's choker title?

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 01:54 AM
Just saw the stat about BP and can't understand what happens in her mind in some matches.
how can she save 4 of 5 BP and take 2/3 against Davenport and against Masha to take 3 of 11(in last 2 sets probably 1/8-9) and to allow Masha to take 5/7 (and the only saved BP were on MP) How can she be so steady against experienced #1 and against the rookie to be so mentaly weak. And on her games she often had 3-4 GP but wasn't able to convert and when she allowed BP Masha always broke. I guess her shoulder problem has a part in that, but why so mentaly weak on her BP. Who was the rookie tonight? And that after taking easily 1st set against the rookie who never has beaten her. Nastya just needed to keep this level in the begining of the second set, Masha was almost mentaly done, she was looking so helpless to her father, I really can't understand why Nastya allows this to happen in some usualy big matches,why?:confused: :fiery: :mad:

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 02:26 AM
It's really hard to be a Nastya's fan. It's paradoxialy but in this moment I realy regret that she didn't lose to Davenport (who i dislike). Then I had suffered the eventual loss in advance, i couldn't have get more sad. She resurrected my hopes only to bury them again today and to cause me new pain disappointment, sleepless night.... I know it's very selfishly but i really feel so and regret that i'm not a fan to some like momo - she is so predictable, with Nastya - never know. Of course i can't change my fav because i chose her with my heart and it's stronger than my mind, but why dear Nastya do you always cause that to me, why can i never rely on you?:confused: :sad: :fiery: :kiss:

Emptiness
Nov 15th, 2004, 02:45 AM
I felt that way too but then i put it in prespective, she beat the world number one after a stupidly horrible choke and finished Russian number one. That shows some mental strength right? ...Feels like i'm grasping at straws.

Better luck next year... maybe Anastasia won't get lost in her head so often. Hope so because she has a lot to defend. http://pics.xs.to/pics/04102/smilie-salute.gif

Almalyk
Nov 15th, 2004, 02:50 AM
A disappointing last match - but overall a great year. If anyone had told Anastasia at the end of 2003 that in 2004 she would win a grand slam, reach number 2 in the world for some time, defend the Kremlin Cup, and finish the year as Russian #1 - I am sure she would be happy with this situation.

:hearts:

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 03:19 AM
Yes she shows incredible mental strength when no one hopes but then no less mental weakness just when everything looks OK
Of course that was a great year, but the last feeling is always the strongest and probably it will stay in me until next year. And then again:bounce: :bigcry: :D :sad:

Almalyk
Nov 15th, 2004, 03:22 AM
And lets not forget that another of her major goals is to win FED CUP! Perhaps if she plays well, you can have better final memories of Nastya's 2004 Nastyafan!

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 15th, 2004, 03:23 AM
Nastya :sad: :( :bigcry:
last two sets were just :shrug: :confused:

so disappointing :( :(

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 03:38 AM
I'm not so excited about Fed cup. Of course as it's one of her main goals I will follow and cheer for her and her team but the most important thing to me there will be if she can beat momo - for her confidence and mental strength. But I prefer much more seeing her lifting big titles and #1 to Fed cup.

martirogi
Nov 15th, 2004, 03:45 AM
sometimes i wish i didnt even hav a favorite because then i wouldnt have to go through matches like this worrying when opponent gets a couple points in a row, it so frustrating cuz u kno they cant win all the time, if only nastya had won a couple matches this year at the olympics, she would hav played better at the us open and other tourneys too, and then this match, there is no doubt shed be number 1 right now

JLDementieva
Nov 15th, 2004, 03:57 AM
I agree that it so hard being a fan sometimes. Especially with my 2 favs. :rolleyes: however, isn't that what's fun about being a fan? Your happiness is them, and your sadness is also them! There are always going to be good times and bad times. We are sad and disappointed with today's match. But think how happy we all were when Nastya won the FO? It's just how the game works. (I'm just trying to cheer myself up :p)

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 04:17 AM
yea martirogi the same here
Every lost point, especialy on GP and BP is like a knife in my heart. And there were tons tonight, I didn't watch live her previous matches and I accepted comparatively easier her loss to serena (even i hate her). Today i was almost sure that she will win and decided to watch the match and now only missed opportunities will be in front of my eyes several days. I think i will never more watch her match live.... at least until (if)she becomes a steady player. Poor Nastya, why do you deprive me of the pleasure to watch you live?:sad: :banghead: :fiery:

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 04:40 AM
You are right JLDementieva. But unfortunately we have the 2 streakiest players for our favs. They give us many beautiful moments but too much pain too. And unfortunately the pain is as if more steady because the happines from a win usualy lasts 1 day -till the next match, but the sadness till the next tourney (now - next season). Watching one certain match is the same - i can't be really calm and happy until the last point is finished, but can die thousand times before it. I really wonder is it worth to be a fan?

Spunky83
Nov 15th, 2004, 08:31 AM
sometimes i wish i didnt even hav a favorite because then i wouldnt have to go through matches like this worrying when opponent gets a couple points in a row, it so frustrating cuz u kno they cant win all the time, if only nastya had won a couple matches this year at the olympics, she would hav played better at the us open and other tourneys too, and then this match, there is no doubt shed be number 1 right now

Gosh, itīs strange, isnīt it? I was sooo pissed and sad last night...ahh sorry, this morning, it took me like an hour to fall asleep and just four hours later I woke up and I am still sad and damn tired. So basically I fell asleep at 2:30h and woke up at 6:30h and then I missed my bus, not very accidently I have to say and I showed up at work twenty minutes late, at least the people here donīt care, but still...this is all your fault Nastya!!!

:lol: ...no, just joking. Nastya just stopped playing and Maria showed her best shots (amazing).

BTW: Mashaīs grunting, fist-pumping and "come on!"-shouts really freaked me out which made me put my tv on mute... :rolleyes:, no joking

Dementinator
Nov 15th, 2004, 08:56 AM
Good morning from Captain Dementinator!!

Well Damni t! i am dissapointed now ,we both did not perform to our best did we!!
WEll try not be too dissapointed ,as Capt Nastyafan has said we both love two great players but they are streaky and give us great times and bad times!
I feel more for Nastya cos she seemd to really want to do well, whereas LEna seemd not too bothered and simply did not play anywhere near her usual standard!
Well lets not be too upset ,thats tennis, we love our players and we should always do so, I for one am damned proud to be aboard SS Dementieva and u should be proud of Gunboat Myskina too! I really look forward to many more "Battles" between them!!
We will leave for Moscow in a few hours and if u need any assistance or a tow ,please radio me here on the bridge, although I am sure your damage is not too great!
Let us return home Proud of what our "Girls" have achieved this year together and look forward to 2005!!

Capt Dem SS Dementieva!!

Spunky83
Nov 15th, 2004, 09:51 AM
What?!?...God, I am soo sleepy. I am waiting to just fall asleep at my desk. Need a cigarette...maybe Decky can wake me up with a cool poem;)

Daniel
Nov 15th, 2004, 10:00 AM
Nastya :sad: but still good tournaemt, and she wil finsh the year as Russian #1 , 3rd in the world rankings, Roland Garros Champions and millions of dollars in her bank account ;)

Congrats for such a wonderful year Nastya!! :hug: :kiss: now foucs on FEd CUP :D

cool_olga
Nov 15th, 2004, 10:10 AM
Damn the first lost to Sharapova came at such a moment :sad:
But Nastya wasn't highest form since Philly after this flu. She just could focus for Moscow. But anyways making it to semis was great thing, kicking world's no.1 off...Congratulations to Nastya :)
Wonder what's up with her ankle.
Now Fed Cup waits, I think Nastya's bigger priority than champs.
I am damn sleepy too today, I will fall alseep in school I swear :/

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 11:12 AM
You haven't slept a whole hour Spunky:eek: . I didn't get a wink of sleep all night. As usually I soliloguized all noght here but no one wants to try to help me to find some answers Or I'm the only one who cares because I 'm a negative bad fan.:crying2:. But anyhow these questions won't leave my mind soon and I'll continue asking them. What happens with our girl sometimes? Why does she always fall in some hole at a certain stage in every match? In Europe it was the first set, now - second. She had that falling in all her 4 matches, just when it wasn't deep enough she escaped (vs Davenport after 3-0). Even against Lena she had it after 4-1 and I'm not sure it wasn't deep, just Lena didn't (want to) use it. She said she is alredy grown up, knows how to play the best, but how does that couple with the unbelievable lack of confidence and fighting spirit she shows at some stages. I have in mind that terrible stats on the big points, about the percentage of the converted and saved BP and GP. Even vs serena she had 3 more points and 3 less games, that shows an incredible inability to win big points. Yesterday even worse 3/11 converted, 0/5 saved(till the last game). On GP the situation is similar alhough there is no stats. How it's possible an experienced #3 in the world, a holder of GS to show such pathetic inability to win the big points against a far more inexperienced player and that after leading a set and winning their 3 previous matches. What happens, what blocks her mind in this situations -when she reaches 40 or ad.? How it's possible to be so different in certain matches and even in parts of one match. That's just inconceivable, has anyone a sensible explanation?:confused: :banghead:

Spunky83
Nov 15th, 2004, 01:38 PM
You haven't slept a whole hour Spunky:eek: . I didn't get a wink of sleep all night. As usually I soliloguized all noght here but no one wants to try to help me to find some answers Or I'm the only one who cares because I 'm a negative bad fan.:crying2:. But anyhow these questions won't leave my mind soon and I'll continue asking them. What happens with our girl sometimes? Why does she always fall in some hole at a certain stage in every match? In Europe it was the first set, now - second. She had that falling in all her 4 matches, just when it wasn't deep enough she escaped (vs Davenport after 3-0). Even against Lena she had it after 4-1 and I'm not sure it wasn't deep, just Lena didn't (want to) use it. She said she is alredy grown up, knows how to play the best, but how does that couple with the unbelievable lack of confidence and fighting spirit she shows at some stages. I have in mind that terrible stats on the big points, about the percentage of the converted and saved BP and GP. Even vs serena she had 3 more points and 3 less games, that shows an incredible inability to win big points. Yesterday even worse 3/11 converted, 0/5 saved(till the last game). On GP the situation is similar alhough there is no stats. How it's possible an experienced #3 in the world, a holder of GS to show such pathetic inability to win the big points against a far more inexperienced player and that after leading a set and winning their 3 previous matches. What happens, what blocks her mind in this situations -when she reaches 40 or ad.? How it's possible to be so different in certain matches and even in parts of one match. That's just inconceivable, has anyone a sensible explanation?:confused: :banghead:

This is actually an interesting post for a change, Nfan! ;)
Hmmm...for once, I slept four hours, not one, so I just try to hold up and not to fall asleep.

All your questions...I donīt know. I donīt know why I always have the fear she might lose when sheīs totally leading and having everyting under control. Itīs just weird that she can play superb tennis and out of a sudden she just sucks giving the opponent the upper-hand. I think it just happened too often, so it kinda like stays in our mind.

No matter what, I think Daniel said it best, she had a great season with a year-end-ranking at number three and a Slam and she played best at the tourneys she wanted to including Fed Cup. I am really glad that the seasonīs over and she gets some rest (and a new mouth...whatever). I am pretty sure that she will totally try to fight in 2005 for number one and of course, I totally support this.

Was this "sensible" enough? ;)

@Ola: Yep, whatīs up with the ankle? Not that she was slower than usual, but still...

Spunky83
Nov 15th, 2004, 01:48 PM
...and itīs time again for some quotes:

Myskina, who played Williams in the round-robin here, said Sharapova would have to raise her game if she wanted to repeat her Wimbledon triumph.

"If Serena would play like she did today, I don't think she (Sharapova) has any chance," Myskina said after her much less intense encounter with her compatriot.

"I got real tired and lost my concentration," said Myskina, who double faulted on set point to end the second.

Sharapova shrugged off a warning for a code violation for coaching in the fifth game of the third set, and said she hadn't even heard what her father and coach, Yuri, had tried to tell her.

"I understand what he's going through," she said. "If I was on the sidelines watching every match, I would be pretty emotional, too."

Myskina wasn't bothered by the incident, but said she was just too tired throughout the match to raise her game. (AFP)

I guess we all need some sleep...;)

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 02:55 PM
This is actually an interesting post for a change, Nfan! ;)
Hmmm...for once, I slept four hours, not one, so I just try to hold up and not to fall asleep.

All your questions...I donīt know. I donīt know why I always have the fear she might lose when sheīs totally leading and having everyting under control. Itīs just weird that she can play superb tennis and out of a sudden she just sucks giving the opponent the upper-hand. I think it just happened too often, so it kinda like stays in our mind.

No matter what, I think Daniel said it best, she had a great season with a year-end-ranking at number three and a Slam and she played best at the tourneys she wanted to including Fed Cup. I am really glad that the seasonīs over and she gets some rest (and a new mouth...whatever). I am pretty sure that she will totally try to fight in 2005 for number one and of course, I totally support this.

Was this "sensible" enough? ;)

@Ola: Yep, whatīs up with the ankle? Not that she was slower than usual, but still...I meant that you have needed an hour to asleep, but never mind.
Yes, that's sensible but it doesn't answer my questions. I have the same fear and I know it happens so often, but the question is WHY? Why now, when she already has big wins, believes in herself, has confidence, experience, she allow this to happen more often than earlier?Why now does she forget how to win the big points? We always have said she is one of the best thinker on court, she can find and exploit the weak sides of her opponent but why in some stage of the match does she sudenly stop using them, why does she allow so easily to lose the control of the match when her opponent is half-died? Did she lose her earlier fighting spirit? Is the pressure of the big expectation too much for her?
Yes she had a great season, she surpassed all our expectations I said it several times too, but the trend worries me. Now she is much better player, therefore she often wins, but as if she lost a part of her desire, her fighting spirit, mental toughness. I almost nostalgicly remember last year USO, she had no big wins, she wasn't playing very well, but she was fighing she was bent to win at any cost. Now she is much better player but as if more and more rarely I see that desire, that fire in her eyes Yesterday she was like a spfinx without any emotions - maybe she wanted to be an antipode to Masha? How it's possible not to show any emotion in that big match Is it possible that she doesn't care? But why did she said she wants to win the tourney the day before? Or does she think she is already supposed to win every match, every point so there is no reason for happiness when she wins and she isn't prepared to react in the first case of failure? It really becomes more and more mysterious to me what happens in that lovely head:confused: :fiery:

goldenlox
Nov 15th, 2004, 03:30 PM
Anastasia finishes 2004 as world #3, and Russian #1.
An excellent, tremendous year.
Now she will try to win the Fed Cup title for Russia.

deckham
Nov 15th, 2004, 03:57 PM
What?!?...God, I am soo sleepy. I am waiting to just fall asleep at my desk. Need a cigarette...maybe Decky can wake me up with a cool poem;)
alright spunky.... ;)

nastya played very well
she made it through the group
always up for the title
but she lost, and that's a poop!
we all just love her tennis
she's simply one of a kind
she's magnificent to look at
and her play is one of a kind.
masha must win every once in while
nastya wants to make it fair
she can't just keep beating her
or masha will pull out her hair
the past month has been fantastic
she beat lindsay twice in a row
she's playing pretty good tennis
just not in a consistent flow ;)
our nastya will always be streaky
and that's what keeps us on edge
makes spunky a little crazy
nastyafan falls over the ledge :hehehe:
nastya's still russian number one
and that's very important to her
and still the number 3 in the world
while she's only getting better.
this has been nastya's best year
it's been out of sight
improving in the top 10
and playing with all her might
some bad losses along the way
she's had her share of frowns
but those losses meant nothing
when she picked up the french open crown.
we easily forget nastya's impressive run
she beat amazing players i must say
kuzie, venus, j-cap, and lena
nastya shoved them out of her way
so let's keep our smiles for the time being
nastya gave it her all
she'll still have all those ups and downs
and we shall be here if she falls.
because we are great fans
and we care about nastya a lot.
and she can't win every day
she's not quite a crazy robot.
she's number one in our heart
she's above all the rest
#1 russian, well...
nastya's simply the best....... :drink:

go nastya! get that fedcup title.... heal that ankle....!!!

p.s. did anyone hear nastya is going to be having jaw and tooth surgery in the offseason???? i guess she feels she needs work done.... which i believe is true. but is it possible she's going to look even more stunning??? nastya's going to be drop dead gorgeous now instead of gorgeous... lol. i'm going to have to change my little avatar... hahahaha ;)

the cat
Nov 15th, 2004, 03:59 PM
Where was the kiss? When Anastasia beat Maria in 3 sets at the Australian Open Masha congratulated her with a kiss at the net after the match. :kiss: But after Masha had a breakthoguh and finally beat Anastasia in 3 sets in LA to make the YEC final their was no kiss or love from Anastasia to Masha at the net after the match. :sad: The question is why? Anastasia is known to be a good sport and she and Masha are friends so she should have been warmer to Masha after the match even though it was a tough loss for Anastasia.

deckham
Nov 15th, 2004, 04:07 PM
wow cat.. just because there was no kiss doesn't mean she's not being warm. lol... you don't have to kiss someone to be a good sportsman..

the cat
Nov 15th, 2004, 04:12 PM
True. But as the older player it's up to her to set a good example for the younger player. And Nastya's quotes after the match about Mash make me think she's not too happy with her. Oh well. It was a long year for all players and it looks like everyone at the YEC ended the year without suffering a major injury.

JLDementieva
Nov 15th, 2004, 04:24 PM
I've noticed that Nastya has said that she's tired quite often lately after a loss. If that is really the case, then maybe she should work on her fitness a bit more.

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 04:31 PM
I don't think they are friendly each other any more considering their quotes. And I think I lost my fondness to Masha too. I don't like her and her father's behavior. Not that Masha did something insulting, but still pumping, screaming and jumping at every point, even when your opponent has made an error as if you have won the whole tournament is quite disrespectful to your opponent and maybe a deliberate attempt to demoralize him. Masha with her behavior on court is a white, much prettier copy of Serena with her animal behavior. I don't like it.
Therefore I'm even more angry that Nastya allowed her to act in this way. How queit and meek as a lamb was she in the first set.

But it's her job. Many "why" about Nastya bother me much more now

the cat
Nov 15th, 2004, 04:41 PM
Considering whose quotes, Nastyafan? It's Ana saying things about Maria. But Masha has never said anything remotely negative about Anastasia.

I think Myskina should play fewer tournaments next year. I think the long trip to Athens took a toll on her too. Even though Ana had a great year she did lose a few matches she should not have lost. And I don't understand why Ana got so upset early in the second set last night when she had control of the match against Maria. :confused: She got upset at the video scoreboard up 6-2 0-1 and wasn't the same player after that.

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 04:42 PM
It's just a banal excuse JLD. What could she say? "I don't know what happened, i choked, I had no mental toughness to convert any BP and to finish my games?"

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 04:45 PM
Yes, it's mainly Nastya cat but Masha's answer that she is too thrilled to be in the final and don't care about her chances is a bit caustic too

And yes, I said several times I can't understand what and why happens in her mind in that(and similar) moments either:shrug:

Spunky83
Nov 15th, 2004, 04:56 PM
alright spunky.... ;)

nastya played very well
she made it through the group
always up for the title
but she lost, and that's a poop!
we all just love her tennis
she's simply one of a kind
she's magnificent to look at
and her play is one of a kind.
masha must win every once in while
nastya wants to make it fair
she can't just keep beating her
or masha will pull out her hair
the past month has been fantastic
she beat lindsay twice in a row
she's playing pretty good tennis
just not in a consistent flow ;)
our nastya will always be streaky
and that's what keeps us on edge
makes spunky a little crazy
nastyafan falls over the ledge :hehehe:
nastya's still russian number one
and that's very important to her
and still the number 3 in the world
while she's only getting better.
this has been nastya's best year
it's been out of sight
improving in the top 10
and playing with all her might
some bad losses along the way
she's had her share of frowns
but those losses meant nothing
when she picked up the french open crown.
we easily forget nastya's impressive run
she beat amazing players i must say
kuzie, venus, j-cap, and lena
nastya shoved them out of her way
so let's keep our smiles for the time being
nastya gave it her all
she'll still have all those ups and downs
and we shall be here if she falls.
because we are great fans
and we care about nastya a lot.
and she can't win every day
she's not quite a crazy robot.
she's number one in our heart
she's above all the rest
#1 russian, well...
nastya's simply the best....... :drink:

go nastya! get that fedcup title.... heal that ankle....!!!

p.s. did anyone hear nastya is going to be having jaw and tooth surgery in the offseason???? i guess she feels she needs work done.... which i believe is true. but is it possible she's going to look even more stunning??? nastya's going to be drop dead gorgeous now instead of gorgeous... lol. i'm going to have to change my little avatar... hahahaha ;)

:kiss: :worship: ...THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!

...that jaw thing: If itīs true, it cannot be seen as a typical plastic surgery thing. It goes along with the braces, medical thing. I just ask myself when sheīs going to have the surgery...thanks to the idea of my orthopedist I looked like a big hamster for more than a week after I had my wisdom teeth taken out :hysteric:

Spunky83
Nov 15th, 2004, 04:59 PM
I meant that you have needed an hour to asleep, but never mind.
Yes, that's sensible but it doesn't answer my questions. I have the same fear and I know it happens so often, but the question is WHY? Why now, when she already has big wins, believes in herself, has confidence, experience, she allow this to happen more often than earlier?Why now does she forget how to win the big points? We always have said she is one of the best thinker on court, she can find and exploit the weak sides of her opponent but why in some stage of the match does she sudenly stop using them, why does she allow so easily to lose the control of the match when her opponent is half-died? Did she lose her earlier fighting spirit? Is the pressure of the big expectation too much for her?
Yes she had a great season, she surpassed all our expectations I said it several times too, but the trend worries me. Now she is much better player, therefore she often wins, but as if she lost a part of her desire, her fighting spirit, mental toughness. I almost nostalgicly remember last year USO, she had no big wins, she wasn't playing very well, but she was fighing she was bent to win at any cost. Now she is much better player but as if more and more rarely I see that desire, that fire in her eyes Yesterday she was like a spfinx without any emotions - maybe she wanted to be an antipode to Masha? How it's possible not to show any emotion in that big match Is it possible that she doesn't care? But why did she said she wants to win the tourney the day before? Or does she think she is already supposed to win every match, every point so there is no reason for happiness when she wins and she isn't prepared to react in the first case of failure? It really becomes more and more mysterious to me what happens in that lovely head:confused: :fiery:

Sorry, but I am pretty sure that she herself canīt answer your questions. I am just happy that the season is over and I can start working on my own "head" again ;)

goldenlox
Nov 15th, 2004, 05:09 PM
The season's not over for Nastya. It's important for Russia to win Fed Cup this year.

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 05:13 PM
and that surgery is the next stupid decision she has made if she really intends to make it. She's so beautiful, maybe her charisma is there why does she need this?That will only disturb her preparation, she can spend that time much more usefully - working on her mentality with a psychologist and on her serve for example

of course she can't answer me, if she could that probably wouldn't have happened. And the answers surely aren't so simple. I just want to discuss our opinions.

the cat
Nov 15th, 2004, 05:17 PM
Nastyafan, Masha doesn't care about who's chances? Of course Masha is thrilled to be in the YEC final. :D That is to be expected.

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 05:31 PM
Cat, I think the most controversial part of their interviews is when Nastya said she doesn't think Masha has any chance if serena plays like today and Masha answered that she is thrilled to be in the final and doesn't care about her chances in the final. That sounds like "I beat you, didn't I? Why do you care about my chance?"

goldenlox
Nov 15th, 2004, 05:33 PM
I think Anastasia and Maria are friends. But who knows? This sport is very competitive.

Spunky83
Nov 15th, 2004, 05:33 PM
and that surgery is the next stupid decision she has made if she really intend to make it. She's so beautiful, maybe her charisma is there why does she need this?That will only disturb her preparation, she can spend that time much more usefully - working on her mentality with a psychologist and on her serve for example

of course she can't answer me, if she could that probably wouldn't have happened. And the answers surely aren't so simple. I just want to discuss our opinion.

The same reason why people have braces...jaw/teeth surgeries are so common by now (I rarely know persons who never had a brace). A lot of people are advised by their doctors to have a surgery, esp. if the teeths donīt fit into your mouth (you know what I mean) or because of a overbite, eating problems or in Nastyaīs case it has very likely something to do with the effects of her brace. Itīs a commom procedure, itīs not like sheīs going to have breast-surgery.

Here are two links concerning this (just to show you why people do that, itīs not only a beauty thing):

http://www.locateadoc.com/questions.cfm/965

http://www.oc-j.com/june00/presurg.htm

Have fun :lol: some material are not recommended to show little kids :eek: ...itīs not even confirmed, some espn commentator said it once.

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 05:42 PM
I don't believe the reason for making such a surgery at 23 can be medical. The one who has medical problems makes this surgery much earlier. At 23 years this surgery is most likely pure cosmetic

Spunky83
Nov 15th, 2004, 06:01 PM
I don't believe the reason for making such a surgery at 23 can be medical. The one who has medical problems makes this surgery much earlier. At 23 years this surgery is most likely pure cosmetic

Money makes the world go around...why do you think did she start to have a brace at this age?

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 06:10 PM
Money makes the world go around...why do you think did she start to have a brace at this age?
of course for cosmetic reason too
and the brace is one thing , the surgery - another
you think her sponsors have forced her to make a surgery?

cool_olga
Nov 15th, 2004, 06:33 PM
and she and Masha are friends
LOL.

the cat
Nov 15th, 2004, 06:50 PM
What's so funny Ola honey? :scratch: :shrug: I was under the impression that Ana and Mashenka are friends. :)

the cat
Nov 15th, 2004, 06:56 PM
Mashenka = Maria.

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 07:35 PM
ВДВОЙНЕ ЦЕННАЯ ПОБЕДА

В воскресенье в UCLA - Калифорнийском университете Лос-Анджелеса давал концерт оркестр "Виртуозы Москвы" под управлением Владимира Спивакова, а в зале Staples Center продолжались гастроли звезд WTA Tour. Групповые турниры выявили лучших из лучших. Московский теннисный виртуоз Анастасия Мыскина встречалась в полуфинале с Марией Шараповой, о которой сейчас говорит вся Америка, а Серена Уильямс - с Амели Моресмо. Хотя результаты этих матчей большинству читателей "СЭ" почти наверняка уже известны, надеюсь, вам будет любопытно узнать некоторые подробности двух последних дней предварительных соревнований.

Пятничная игра с Дэвенпорт была для Мыскиной ключевой, ведь в случае поражения Анастасия лишалась даже минимальных шансов на выход в полуфинал. И наоборот, в случае победы эти самые шансы у нее резко возрастали. Три из пяти предыдущих встреч двух соперниц состоялись в США, и во всех трех, как и в Фильдерштадте нынешней осенью, Линдсэй сравнительно легко удавалось брать верх. Однако в полуфинале "Кубка Кремля"-2004 сильнее оказалась уже Анастасия, которая, напомню, затем выиграла московский турнир во второй раз подряд. Ни в коем случае не умаляя заслуг Мыскиной, все же напомню, что Дэвенпорт тогда в Москве подцепила простуду. На сей раз хозяйка калифорнийского корта (28-летняя американка родилась и постоянно живет в этом штате) была совершенно здорова. Теннис, который Линдсэй продемонстрировала в первом матче с Дементьевой, производил сильное впечатление, поэтому задача перед Анастасией стояла архисложная.

Верная своей тактике, Дэвенпорт сразу же начала методично обстреливать противоположную половину корта своими могучими ударами справа. Однако Мыскину эта артподготовка абсолютно не смутила. Более того, уверенная в себе россиянка очень часто направляла мяч сопернице именно под правую руку, не подстраиваясь под чужую игру, а сама созидая на корте. Возможно, неискушенному зрителю действия теннисисток могли показаться не слишком эффектными, но борьба захватывала.

В первой партии у Мыскиной несколько раз возникали проблемы на своей подаче, однако сделать брейк Дэвенпорт так и не сумела. В результате пришлось играть тай-брейк, судьбу которого, по сути, решило одно очко: при счете 5:5 Линдсэй на своей подаче ударом справа послала мяч в аут. Она же помогла Анастасии и в следующем розыгрыше, допустив совсем уж обидную ошибку. Мяч находился на середине корта, однако Дэвенпорт как-то неуклюже подошла к нему и пробила даже не в трос, а в середину сетки. Через 47 минут после начала поединка Мыскина повела - 7:6 (7:5).

Будучи, безусловно, большим мастером, Дэвенпорт порой бывает подвержена провалам в игре психологического свойства. Так было, например, в ее полуфинальной встрече на Уимблдоне-2004 с Шараповой. То же самое произошло с Линдсэй и в пятницу. Первый гейм второй партии она отдала Мыскиной "под ноль", а потом во второй раз потеряла свою подачу. Однако при счете 3:0 в пользу россиянки стало немного тревожно - вспомнилась предыдущая игра Анастасии с Сереной Уильямс, по ходу которой она вела - 6:4, 3:0, но в итоге потерпела поражение.

Опасения усилились, когда Дэвенпорт удалось сократить разрыв до минимума - 2:3. В этой ситуации ключевым стал 6-й гейм на подаче Мыскиной, в котором она, к счастью, отдала всего одно очко. Больше серьезных проблем у Анастасии в тот вечер не было. Правда, 10-й гейм она начала с двойной ошибки, но затем сумела взять себя в руки и успешно закончила поединок, продолжавшийся 1 час 18 минут - 6:4. Первая ракетка мира оказалась повержена у себя дома, что сделало победу Анастасии вдвойне ценной.

УВЕРЕННОСТЬ ПРИШЛА К МЫСКИНОЙ ПОСЛЕ ROLAND GARROS

- Анастасия, признайтесь, не екнуло у вас сердечко, когда вы повели 3:0 во второй партии? - поинтересовался я у Мыскиной по окончании пресс-конференции.

- Еще как! Я очень хотела выиграть, думала, что умру прямо на корте. Понимала, что снова получила хороший шанс. Если бы мне и его не удалось использовать, просто не знаю, что бы тогда произошло.

- Есть разница между вашими победами над Дэвенпорт в Москве и здесь?

- Конечно. Выиграть у Линдсэй в Москве было очень важно для меня, поскольку открывало дорогу к высшему титулу на "Кубке Кремля", а я обожаю этот турнир. Но чемпионат мира есть чемпионат мира.

- Когда вы почувствовали, что можете стабильно обыгрывать соперниц из десятки?

- Это ощущение пришло постепенно. Поначалу казалось, что они гораздо сильнее, но после победы на Roland Garros я поняла, что все теннисистки - обычные люди, у которых бывают плохие и хорошие дни. Вот тогда у меня и появилась уверенность в себе.

- В среду вы играли с Сереной Уильямс, сегодня - с Дэвенпорт. Кто из них, на ваш взгляд, сейчас сильнее?

- Думаю, все-таки Дэвенпорт. Хотя на матч с ней я настраивалась уже по-другому, учитывая ту ошибку, которую совершила в поединке с Сереной. Есть, правда, один момент психологического характера. Уильямс практически не дарит тебе очков, а Дэвенпорт все-таки иногда допускает оплошности в довольно простых ситуациях. Но тем не менее я надеюсь, что она завтра выиграет.

- Сегодня, как и практически на всех матчах с участием россиянок, рядом с вашей мамой сидела Лариса Нейланд. Она находится здесь как ваша гостья или как тренер сборной России в Fed Cup?

- Как тренер сборной. Попутно Лариса помогает на этой неделе Елене Лиховцевой, которая вместе со Светланой Кузнецовой будет играть в парном разряде, но в первую очередь просматривает матчи наших игроков, заявленных на "Финал четырех" в Москве. В конце сезона многие устали, поэтому надо понять, кто в данный момент готов лучше.

- А доктор Сергей Ясницкий приехал персонально с вами?

- Да.

- Когда врач стал постоянно сопровождать вас на турнирах и насколько это важно?

- Мы работаем вместе примерно полтора года. В WTA Tour очень хороший обслуживающий персонал, но все же игроков очень много, и к концу дня массажисты и врачи сильно устают. А личный врач может заниматься тобой в любое удобное время. К тому же с ним можно общаться на русском языке, что гораздо удобнее, а еще он владеет секретами народной медицины, о которых здесь и не слыхивали. Знаете, сколько у нас в одной только Сибири чудодейственных травок растет?..

- Кто еще входит в вашу команду?

- Мой тренер Йенс Герлах и спарринг-партнер, один его друг.

Можно было предположить, что Дэвенпорт будет сильно огорчена этим поражением. Ведь теннисный трон под ней пошатнулся - шансы Моресмо на титул первой ракетки мира по итогам года хоть немного, но все-таки возросли. Однако американка пришла на пресс-конференцию в не менее хорошем настроении, чем Мыскина.

- Мне уже удавалось несколько раз становиться первой ракеткой мира, а итогами этого сезона я и так удовлетворена. Конечно, будет здорово, если закончу год первой, но второе место в рейтинге - тоже неплохо. Что касается сегодняшнего матча, то Анастасия еще никогда не играла против меня так хорошо, - сказала Дэвенпорт, которой на следующий день предстоял решающий матч с Сереной Уильямс.

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 07:40 PM
so Nastya has a personal doctor and a sparing partner in her team.
but hire a psychologist too next season Nastya, please, you are a smart girl, you should know you need help in that direction:bowdown:

Nastyafan
Nov 15th, 2004, 09:04 PM
No one wants to discuss Nastya's problems:sad:
probably you are right , it's easier not thinking about it...
and what's the use?:fiery:

Spunky83
Nov 15th, 2004, 10:10 PM
No one wants to discuss Nastya's problems:sad:
probably you are right , it's easier not thinking about it...
and what's the use?:fiery:

First of all, thank you very much for the article!

Second of all (and I might receive a medal for answering at all)...I have enough problems to figure out how to deal with my own problems and I canīt even do that. Itīs even harder to discuss someone elseīs problems I donīt even know. What do you want to hear from us? I would just recommend her to go see a sports-psychologist, itīs worth a try.
Other than that, I think I have often enough pointed out which are Nastyaīs biggest problems and most of those are pretty obvious: Regular choking, one of the worst second serves of the top 100, if not even top 200, inconsistency, frequent and unnessecary outbursts which often distract her from her own game. I really donīt have anything more to say to this, I mean I could go into details why her second serve is so easy to attack or why she loses after leading one and a half set long.

Headcase, of course she can do better. Maybe she should change her coach (please donīt!), maybe she should...I donīt know, this is basically it for me, she has lost a sf and as always it wasnīt fun (though the Lindz match was), but thatīs what players do, they regulary lose. If this means sheīs not number one material or maybe that Masha or whoever beats her is better than her...whatever. I just know that at the end of the day, sheīs still my fave player and thatīs the most important thing for me. :angel:

Nfan, you can get angry about my neutral/postive opinion, but overall this is exactly what I think ;)

katiektc
Nov 15th, 2004, 10:13 PM
i like her outbursts! it gives her a lil something more, like charisma! :lol: like last nite when she told jens to "shut the fuck up" :lol: thats QUALITY! :yeah:

Josh810
Nov 15th, 2004, 10:16 PM
i like her outbursts! it gives her a lil something more, like charisma! :lol: like last nite when she told jens to "shut the fuck up" :lol: thats QUALITY! :yeah:
:lol: I agree. It makes her that much more entertaining to watch. But if it's one of the reasons she chokes away matches, I'd rather she be able to control it.

Spunky83
Nov 15th, 2004, 10:28 PM
i like her outbursts! it gives her a lil something more, like charisma! :lol: like last nite when she told jens to "shut the fuck up" :lol: thats QUALITY! :yeah:

...I really donīt believe how he can actually tell reporters that her behaviour has gotten much better. I know it has, but still when she yelled at him (I just could read the word "fuck" of her lips, but yeah it does make sense), I couldnīt believe my eyes :rolleyes: . There she is again, freaking out and being the stupid screamer just like in the old days...I am just not sure anymore if I should laugh about it or just freaking out by my own.

JLDementieva
Nov 15th, 2004, 11:17 PM
Her outbursts surprised me last night. I mean first of all, I don't even know what made her so upset, I doubt it was really the big screen above because she's already played 3 matches with it, so it shouldn't all of a sudden just annoy her out of no where. She was up a set, and down a game in that second set, she got upset at 'something' and made careless errors. One that still stuck to my mind is that she had the open court, and she net her forehand! It was really frustrating to see how she had a lead and then threw it away.

Nastyafan
Nov 16th, 2004, 12:54 AM
I think she is extremely irritable in the end of the season and maybe for the first time I'm glad it ended. The outbursts have always been typical for her, but at least off court she has always been nice and polite but these words about Masha indicate she can't control her nerves even at pressconferences now. I believe she has had no bad intention saying this, maybe she has been just honest, but still, earlier she would have never said it, she would have realized it may be taken as jealousy or spite of a sore loser. I thought KC will calm her down, will restore her confidence but it seems it wasn't enough. I think after RG she really believed she can be the best, she can reach all her 4 goals even this year and failing in that she wasn't able to keep her composure. Maybe RG came too early, too suddenly and she wasn't prepared for it. Maybe that title developed delusive and overrated impression about her real possibilities. Not that she has not, I'm sure she has the potential to be the best in the world, but as if she decided that everything will be too easily from now on. As if, as in these matches when she has a huge lead and she decides that the match is already won, she thought all peaks are almost conquered, that it will inevitably happen and as if she forgot to fight for every point, every win. She has the game, she proved that she can beat everyone when her game is on, but she forgot how to pull out matches when she isn't playing her best. She thinks she has to be perfect always, and when something turns out not as she wants instead of trying to calm down and to fight, she begins to hurry, to get mad at herself and Jens, as if she wants to finish as quickly as possible even with a loss, to punish, to avenge them (herself and Jens). I think this is a very dangerous trend in her psychical evolution and the only good thing is that the season ended (uh there is FC still). I can only pray the off season will calm her down, wil clear her mind, will help her to re-estimate her psychical and physical condition, goals and the ways to reach them and in January we will see new Nastya with reborn desire and will to fight and win:bowdown:

the cat
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:07 AM
Excellent post, Nastyafan. I agree with you that Nastya is tired and unhappy at the end of a great year for her.

Nastyafan, I hope you find it in you to cheer for Masha tonight in the YEC final against Serena Williams. No Russina has ever won the YEC before so this is a big match for masha and Russian tennis. :)

Nastyafan
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:45 AM
Thanks again cat,

Yes I will cheer for Masha although I already wrote her off my favs list and I'm not too excited about the final. Still she is a Russian (although americanized) and I hate Serena.

Spunky83
Nov 16th, 2004, 06:06 AM
"Shut the fuck up", she should have said it to Masha instead of her coach...and damn it Masha won the tourney...Congrats to the "Player of The Year 2004".

Didnīt you once asked me why I donīt hate anyone Nfan? Guess what, I am not fond of Masha, still I donīt hate her;).

Daniel
Nov 16th, 2004, 06:14 AM
Hello spunky, nastyfan and the cat :wavey:

Nastyafan i liek your post but ithink u r wrong saying RG came too early fr her, she has bee around for osme timeby now, i started following her since 2002, and to me it was just time when she won her first GS. I think those hard words against Maria are because she was upset after the loss, but not something personal againts Maria. Nastya beleves i herself and is too classy to be saying bad things about other players, especially Russian players.
I am sure with Nastya playing Russian will win FC and it will be another achivement for our amazing Myskina :D

cool_olga
Nov 16th, 2004, 06:45 AM
Jesus you brought this 'shut the fuck up'...Well this maybe is funny but looks at this from this perspective. First Nastya screams and is angry at Jens because he's like a wall there' and doesn't show emotion to her. so now he does and she says to her sth she tells him to shut up. Oh Nastya :angel:

Emptiness
Nov 16th, 2004, 07:00 AM
I'm with you Spunky.. i'm not fond of Maria either, although im sure her father has taught her some good, hes also taught her how to behave like an overly obnxious jerk. Mien gott. Oh well congrats to her.. http://xs.to/pics/04102/smilie-sarcasticclap.gif

I think Anastasia will always have such loses... its just the player she is. Always getting lost in her own little head. Maybe she can reduce it but i dont think it will ever disappear completely. No abusing rackets? No outburst? No swearing? No murderous looks at Jens? Just wouldn't be Anastasia. Frustrating as it is.. maybe she really should get a psychiatrist, someone who can try to figure out what the hell is going on inside her brain. But i think people raised int he east view it as a largely "western" thing. Maybe next year she could pull a Justine and stop choking all the damn time... doubt it. http://xs.to/pics/04102/smilie-sad.gif

Haha Olga, poor Jens being used as Anastasia's outlet for angry. ...Or maybe not poor Jens? :)

Spunky83
Nov 16th, 2004, 08:18 AM
Jesus you brought this 'shut the fuck up'...Well this maybe is funny but looks at this from this perspective. First Nastya screams and is angry at Jens because he's like a wall there' and doesn't show emotion to her. so now he does and she says to her sth she tells him to shut up. Oh Nastya :angel:

Seen from a third perspective, itīs just the way they both "communicate" on court. I canīt rid of the feeling that they both need this attention as weird as it sounds. I think if I work with her, I would have already left the team :lol: ...and again she somehow managed not to receive a warning;)

Maybe those words were adressed to Yuri :eek: ...haha, ok.

BTW: Did you guys notice Elena L. watching the first set from the corner? There was this one service game of Nastya which she managed to win, she turned around to her and put her arms up to celebrate in a typical funny ironical Nastya-way. Elena laughed about it, has anyone seen this?

Spunky83
Nov 16th, 2004, 08:25 AM
Maybe next year she could pull a Justine and stop choking all the damn time...

I think Nfan will freak out if I say this, but youīre right. Whenever I watch Justine play, I have so much faith in her, itīs incredible. When sheīs up a break, I can be totally relaxed and just say sheīs gonna make it for sure. When sheīs down 0-4, I am still really confident in her win and she always wins (the only time I thought she wouldnīt make it was...well you know...but still she won!).

Iīd love to have the same feelings about Nastya in those situations :sad:.

BTW: Visit my poll on the main board!!! Nastya is still leading the "Classiest player"-poll. Come on, manipulate my thread :lol:

Spunky83
Nov 16th, 2004, 11:54 AM
Oh, latest news: Mauresmo has withdrawn from Fed Cup due to injury (?) and her wish to be in good shape next year.

So, thatīs good, right?

Nastyafan
Nov 16th, 2004, 12:52 PM
Daniel, Nastyawas around for a long time, but she still hadn't enough big wins. The only impressive run was last year Leipzig-Moscow, but she had never passed GS QF, she played with all her heart at last year YEC but still managed to lose. RG was her worst GS and her warm-up torneys before RG were awful. The bookie gave her between 1:80 - 1:150 chance. That win was absolutely shocking for everyone, including her. She said her goal has been to pass 1st round. And the way to the win was too easy, especially the lat 3 matches and that strengthened that delusive feeling I spoke about. And that way was so easy maybe because she had surpassed already all her expectations, she was absolutely mentaly free, she had no pressure, she was enjoying and playing flawless tennis. Now the pressure is always on. She wants and expect to win always and if it's possible in the way that happened in Paris. I know she is a smart and clever girl, she realizes that it can't be so easy always, but still that early and easy win developed that subconscious feeling that that more or less decreases her desire and will to fight and brings her into disappointment in herself when she isn't perfect.
Of course that are my thoughts, I may be wrong.:unsure:

Spunky, Justine was one set away from my forgiveness... Didn't happen.:sad: She isn't my fav and in some matches I cheer for her, in anothers - against but I have the same feeling that when she takes the control the match is already over. Unfortunately with Nastya lately I developed the contrary feeling - when she has the control but drops it for a moment the match is alredy over too.:fiery:

So Nastya proved to be a bad prophet too.:sad: Poor Nastya, learn to keep your nerves and frustration for yourself and don't make stupid predictions more. Probably she feels even worse now, she knows she had Masha, she could have been in her place now:banghead:

Nastyafan
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:07 PM
Hmm. I don't know if Momo's withdrawing is good or bad. Of course FC should be a cakewakk for Russia, but will that cup have any worth?
I would prefer Nastya to withdraw too, but I know she won't. I hope she will be happy with that cup and won't play next year

Spunky83
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:10 PM
I donīt even want to admit it, but somehow I am really looking forward to the battle of the two currently best russians in 2005. If we are lucky it might become something like Pete/Andre or Roger/Andy...Nastya being Roger in this case of course. Roger was beaten ONCE by Andy and never again.

Go for it!!!

katiektc
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:15 PM
so who would andy be....?

Nastyafan
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:18 PM
Hmmm, completely different story - time works in Roger's but not in Nastya's favour

Spunky83
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:33 PM
so who would andy be....?

Though I donīt like to see it, but Andy would be Maria (Masha is currently the second best russian)

Nfan: Itīs just a comparison. Tennis rivalry is always the best, well any rivarly in sports is good.

katiektc
Nov 16th, 2004, 01:43 PM
yes according to ranking masha is second best russian, but in general id have to say lena d is! we shall all look forward to 2005 to prove the true levels of the russina's.:yeah:

goldenlox
Nov 16th, 2004, 04:17 PM
Anastasia finished 2004 as the Russian #1 for the third straight year!
:clap2: :clap2: :drool: :drool:
And as world #3.
A tremendous, historic year for Nastya.

Now bring home that Fed Cup title.

Nastyafan
Nov 16th, 2004, 05:18 PM
But Nastya had a chance to cement her top Russian ranking till RG. Instead Masha closed the gap and with almost nothing to defend before Birmingham, probably she will overtake easily Nastya in February-March:fiery:

the cat
Nov 16th, 2004, 05:19 PM
You're welcome Nastyafan. Keep on posting the way you do.
Hi Daniel. :wavey:

Knowing that Masha beat an injured Serena to win the YEC and all but clinch player of the year honors must make Nastya even more upset than she was after losing the YEC semifinal to Masha because it could have been her instead of Masha who won the 2004 YEC.

goldenlox
Nov 16th, 2004, 05:20 PM
First, I want the Fed Cup title. Then, Hopmans Cup and the Australian Open.
After that, we can worry about world #1.
There are 4 Russian who can be world #1 next spring.
The competition will be fierce.

Nastyafan
Nov 16th, 2004, 05:52 PM
Fed cup+Hopman cup would give me no more than 10% of the pleasure YEC or POY or #1 could have given.

Only you cat admire my monologues, but it seems I'm running dry. Tell me something positive about Nastya's future, you should be very happy now.

cool_olga
Nov 16th, 2004, 05:53 PM
If Marat stays the form he is now why not the Hopman Cup? But I'm sure they'll want Sharapova for it no Nastya...No media, WTA, ATP, ITF will care that Nastya and Marat are great friends and get on so well with each other...And their on court mentality fits so much.

Now Fed Cup, without Mauresmo I am pretty confident. Austria will be no challenge but France with Pierce, Dechy and Golovin is still dangerous. They'll win ;)

the cat
Nov 16th, 2004, 07:03 PM
Nastyafan, I am very happy for Sharapova but Myskina and her fans have alot to be happy about too. :) She still could be player of the year and she spearheaded this Russian Revolution this year at the grand slams. :D I do think because she is slight of might compared to the bigger girls that she should play a lighter schedule next year so she can stay strong the entire season. And playing Sopot on red clay right before the Olympics on hard court was a bad move and it cost Nastya alot of valuable enregy she needed for Athens. I think playing Sopot cost Myskina the chance to play for the gold medal in Athens. And she was tired in LA at the end of the season. Ana had a great year but she has a few low points too that could have been avoided. I wouldn't be surprised if she won another grand slam singles title because she's proven she can beat the best players in the world. But the trick for Nastya is to find balance between playing enough and not too much.

Ola, why are you saying that Masha will replace Nastya in the Hopman Cup? That won't happen. Besides Marat wouldn't stand for that. But I do hope that Marat plays Hopman Cup with his sister Dinara at t some point in the future. :D

Nastyafan
Nov 16th, 2004, 09:55 PM
Cat, Nastya has no chance to be the player of the year . She was 1 set short of that... or maybe one game (olympics). I'm proud with her achievements, with her being the spearhead of the Russian Revolution and will be proud forever no matter what will happen from now on.:yeah: But happy....:confused: Of course I was happy, but I can't be happy forever only with memories. As in your signature the happines is like a .cat. You can hardly catch it and even harder to retain, but you need to see it in your leds, or somewhere ahead. That cat was in my leds on Saturday, but then suddenly it ran away and because of the disturbing symptoms I spoke above, I'm not sure when, for how long, how near that cat will be back.

the cat
Nov 16th, 2004, 11:46 PM
You make very intersting points about happiness, Nastyafan. I agree with what you said because we want more happiness as fans but it's hard to come by and Anastasia had a few tough moments after winning the 2004 French Open that I didn't expect such as the Olympics, the U.S. Open and the YEC. Happiness was hard for Nastya to attain after her historic French Open win. But atleast she had more happiness and success that almost every player in women's tennis this year. :)

Nastyafan
Nov 17th, 2004, 01:22 AM
Yes, Nastya had extremely happy moments this year but she had certainly the biggest disappointments too, she had an weird, extreme year, she was either on the top or at the bottom, almost never in the middle. YEC was as the whole year - a terrible loss, a huge win. an only normal match and when the hardships looks behind a bid disappointment again. I'm afraid that's too much even for someone with nerves of steel, can't imagine what is happening in her fragile psyche and how long she will endure these extreme emotions.

cool_olga
Nov 17th, 2004, 08:54 AM
And playing Sopot on red clay right before the Olympics on hard court was a bad move and it cost Nastya alot of valuable enregy she needed for Athens.
Hmm actually I don't think she got tired there and these two matches she played it was like sparing not real matches. Same she would train in Athens she trained in Sopot and she missed all the busy athmosphere and so many people around. I think more energy would be the opening ceremony :p

I think ITF would want Masha to play Hopman, she would bring more attention there. But I hope Nastya plays.

Daniel
Nov 17th, 2004, 10:00 AM
I think with momo out Russia has more chances of winning FEd Cup , and Nastya will be part of the team :)

Spunky83
Nov 17th, 2004, 10:14 AM
God, that Porsche (awarded for the YEC) is soo ugly...one of those is parking in front of my window...urghh...

Man, I hate this day...sucks.

BTW: I would put all my money on russia to win the fed cup.

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2004, 04:06 PM
Winning the French Open and the Kremlin Cup.
Finishing 2004 as the Russian #1, and world #3.
This has been a great year for Nastya.
She won more than $2 million in prizemoney.

Now she goes for world #1 in 2005. And more major titles.

goldenlox
Nov 17th, 2004, 04:33 PM
But first she has Fed Cup. Anastasia has to rest her injured calf.