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treufreund
Nov 7th, 2002, 02:58 AM
Chanda I love you babe and you have no acne but today you have a HUGE FROWN :( cuz ever since the US OPEN you have played awfully. So many double faults, silly errors, A VERY WEAK second serve that is not being returned by a broken Venus forehand but rather by a consistent Clijsters.

Folks, I really believe that that lose to Venus at the US Open has left some scars on Chanda. Next year she will play better but this fall has been a disaster at a time when she really could have amassed points. Was the pressure getting to her now that the expectations are higher. But KUDOS to KIM CLIJSTERS, who, after a scratchy start, played nearly FLAWLESSLY DESPITE THE LOW LEVEL OF CHANDA'S PLAY. She picked the right shots in nearly every rally. Very rarely did she go for STUPID, LOW-percentage shots. Kim is on TV now and she is soo sweet.

BTW, Kim Fans, don't you think that Kim is playing more and more consistent a la Lleyton. She is play such superb offense with margin for error and her defensive are almost as good as Lleyton's She really is improving so rapidly and I have become a HUGE FAN. She now has every bit as much variety as Justine. Sometimes she is actually more consistent/conservative than JUSTINE.

I also opine that Kim is now a more COMPLETE PLAYER than Jennifer Capriati. If jennifer were to get back in form and kim plays the way she is playing lately I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to see a match between them at some point. Kim CAN beat her now if she controls those errors. She has a win over Venus. It's now time for Kim to beat Serena, Jennifer and Monica. GO KIM!!!!!

Chanda, get your mind and game back and kick some butt next year baby! :hearts: Forget this atrocious fall and come back strong!!!! :bounce: GEAUX CHANDA in AUSTRALIA!!!!

Dawn Marie
Nov 7th, 2002, 03:26 AM
Oh give it up treu, taking about Venus forhand.. child look at the Hingis forhead.. LMAO

treufreund
Nov 7th, 2002, 03:38 AM
:rolleyes: at Dawn not being interested in anything except the comment on the Venus forehand. Kim exposed Chanda's weak second serve today but Venus was unable.

Williams Rulez
Nov 7th, 2002, 04:03 AM
And so? Any one can expose Martina's puffballs... ermmmm I mean serves.

You spoil a nice piece of commentary with that unnecessary comment. :rolleyes:

treufreund
Nov 7th, 2002, 04:18 AM
Martina has a shitey second serve, so what's your point? I mentioned Venus's crappy forehand to point out a MAJOR WEAKNESS in CHANDA'S game. She had the same second serve against Venus but Kim and Venus HANDLED IT VERY DIFFERENTLY. Venus was going for the OUTRIGHT WINNER OVER AND OVER AND MISSING IT. Kim was playing aggressive returns but not going for the outright winner!!!! If you can't see the contrast I was making then you are obviously SENSITIVE about one of VENUS"S WEAKNESSES. Making a comment about Martina is the usual predictable tactic though. :rolleyes:

Williams Rulez
Nov 7th, 2002, 04:24 AM
The fact was that she lost to Venus whether her forehand is broken or not. And why would I be sensitive to Venus' weakness? It is hers, not mine, what am I supposed to do about it? :rolleyes:

I can tell you that Venus has a sucky 2nd serve too, and her forehand breaks down, yeah and her footwork ain't perfect. SO WHAT?

Pointing out the fact that Venus didn't return Chanda's serve is so stupid. Chanda lost that match. What kind of contrast is that? She lost both matches. Haha, you point out the fact that Venus doesn't return Chanda's serve and that is supposed to show that Chanda's serve is weak. Well done.

treufreund
Nov 7th, 2002, 04:30 AM
Apparently you don't see the point? Chanda's serve is weak BASED on the way KIM handled it and I was CONTRASTING that with how VENUS did NOT handle it.


The contrast is that Chanda BARELY BARELY lost one and CLEARLY got TROUNCED TODAY. Mainly because of how the returner exposed her second serve.

Williams Rulez
Nov 7th, 2002, 04:31 AM
Yeah, that would make much more sense than your first post. Your first post just looked like a pathetic attempt to somehow have Venus in there to bash her.

BRING IT
Nov 7th, 2002, 04:31 AM
Why even argue with a "fiend"

This is another sillyattemp at baiting. Methinks this guy is "miserable"

treufreund
Nov 7th, 2002, 06:09 AM
Well of course you always suspect that Venus is being bashed but actually I was just pointing out that her forehand DOES often break down and she sometimes go for WAY too much on the return. But Chanda is really gonna have to do something about that second serve. It has nothing on it and is often not even placed well or sliced well. Dementieva and Capriati are other wons along with Venus and martina who really need to work on that shot.

Williams Rulez
Nov 7th, 2002, 06:11 AM
Well blame it on the way you phrased and your reputation. I don't go around think people are bashing Venus. Anyway, let's drop it since it is over.

treufreund
Nov 7th, 2002, 06:20 AM
Part of the "reputation" is FABRICATION and EXAGGERATION on the part of OVERSENSITIVE Venus fans.

disposablehero
Nov 7th, 2002, 06:26 AM
Kim has had a pretty complete game for a while now. I'm surprised that I am the only one who ever talks about all the different things she can do with her backhand.

BRING IT
Nov 7th, 2002, 07:33 AM
Originally posted by treufreund
Well of course you always suspect that Venus is being bashed....

Keep it real! O.K., we know what cha R

treufreund
Nov 7th, 2002, 07:39 AM
DH, It has been complete but now she is CHOOSING to use different shots and is more patient in rallies is what I think. She can hit wicked angles with the backhand or change the direction and go down the line, she can slice when needed, hit backhand lobs and has probably the best backhand drop shot in tennis. I would say that covers it all. Plus she can hit it flat or put a loop in it to good depth or to make the angles more effective (the loopy angled shot bounces AWAY from the opponent and has good control on it).

I think her earlier tendencies were to go for low percentage GLAMOUR forehands but watching and playing Lleyton and just getting more experience and getting older has made her better. :D

DeniseM
Nov 7th, 2002, 08:15 AM
I think the addition of Venus to the discussion was at least a red herring. Losing to Venus isn't like losing to a lower ranked player. Chanda was doing great, but then she played a number of lower ranked players against whom she has so often lost in the past. I think the problem is more likely that she is all too ready to believe she's going to struggle and lose in the first or second round against those lower ranked players --- and so she does, again and again --- even when she's been otherwise playing better than them. Another factor, as someone else has been pointed out, is that those lower ranked players know her game so well.

Hagar
Nov 7th, 2002, 08:53 AM
Treufreund's comments are similar to what was said on Eurosport. The commentator said that it looked like Kim was taking her time, and using like 70% of her agression. Chanda really had on offday, which made this match too onesided. Still, I was pleased with Kim who played as she made some great points.

treufreund
Nov 7th, 2002, 09:31 AM
I like 70-75% of aggression especially when the opponent is making plenty of errors. No sense in making tons of errors yourself if you don't need to go for so much. Kim played SMART! I know many Kim fans (or some Kim fans, I should say) don't care for Lleyton but I really do think Kim has learned a lot by watching or playing with him because he is such a great player in long rallies and Kim has really improved in the longer rally part of her game. She knows both how to draw errors and hit winners. :D

Raisin
Nov 7th, 2002, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by treufreund
Apparently you don't see the point? Chanda's serve is weak BASED on the way KIM handled it and I was CONTRASTING that with how VENUS did NOT handle it.


The contrast is that Chanda BARELY BARELY lost one and CLEARLY got TROUNCED TODAY. Mainly because of how the returner exposed her second serve.

And you thought Chanda was gonna save the WTA:eek:

The truth is everybody brings their A game when facing a Williams:cool:

elektra 4 u
Nov 7th, 2002, 05:05 PM
omg i'm really sad about the way Chanda is playing at the moment(or maybe that should be not playing):( I couldn't believe it when she made 6 double faults in ONE game last night against Kim.She had nooooooo control over her serve whatsoever, it was like she just gave it a little tip and hoped for the best. Chanda looks so frustrated lately and just seems a totally differant player to the won we saw win L.A and Eastbourne during the summer. It seems that she has taken up the "I don't have a hope in hell of winning this match" attitude again:( like she had last year:(:(

Pleaseeee Chanda, get your confidence back, start the new season fresh and confident!Good luck in Australia!!!!!!!!!!!!

TSequoia01
Nov 7th, 2002, 05:28 PM
This is why you must acknowledge the Sisters dominance, it is extremely tough to maintain form tourney in and tourney out. Chanda played well this year but has hit a lull. Kim due to injury is just now playing her best tennis. She is an extremely talented tennis player. But how one looks depends on who is across the net. How she looked against Chanda means little when she faces Venus or Serena. Different match... much different. I think of Evert and McEnroe's statements when Amelie beatup on Jen at Wimby. What did Mac say "greatest net play he has seen in the Women's game". Hell, against Serena she came to net four times the entire match. Again, moot point. :cool:

Serendy Willick
Nov 7th, 2002, 05:31 PM
Whats with bringing Venus into this?:mad: :fiery: Venus had nothng to do with this match so she shouldnt even be mentioned. And while your so busy mentioning Venus's forehand and how "bad" it is :rolleyes: as much as I like Chanda, her backhand was nothing to brag about yesterday and the girl couldnt get a first serve in to save her life. Given Chanda history of at least giving a decent match I am very dissapointed in her play yesterday. PLAY BETTER CHANDA!!:mad: :fiery: :mad: :fiery:

treufreund
Nov 7th, 2002, 05:51 PM
Actually I think it's been thoroughly explained how I was comparing Venus's forehand return as compared to Kim's last night. Sometimes Venus's forehand can be a lethal weapon. Looks like some people here don't want to talk about Chanda or kim and keep harping on the Venus issue. Guess they don't want the fire to die down. :rolleyes: Hear me, Raisin?

Luci, you are right about Chanda's deficiencies last night and this fall in general. I was pointing out how Kim's 75% aggression approach exploited them much better than the very high risk approach that Venus had been taking. Hopefully Chanda will do much better at Oz and for now I am sure Venus will play better. I do find it surprising that venus said she was already tired in the second set and that she has not been practicing.???? Maybe Cappa has done the same???

Serendy Willick
Nov 7th, 2002, 06:00 PM
Yea, I agree Tru, I just dont understand the tired bit (Vee has probably had more rest than anybody in the fall) I hope that she practices some more as I really want her to go far in this tourney. Kimmy is in awesome form, but I think she still has to kick it up a notch, but I luv luv luv that shot that she slices back and its real low and give players problems returning back.

treufreund
Nov 7th, 2002, 06:08 PM
I hit that same kind of sliced forehand and nearly do the splits like that. But I have those very strong Clijsters thighs. People hate my slices especially that forehand slice cuz I really stick it and it stays low. The reason Kim is sooo low is cuz she is stretch out and her body is very low open contact. personally I love her inside out forehand and her forehand crosscourt short angle.

Serendy Willick
Nov 7th, 2002, 06:19 PM
Yea, that inside out forehand in my opinion is her best shot.

treufreund
Nov 7th, 2002, 06:28 PM
by using the inside out forehand frequently you also create the positive side effect of then having players anticipate it, moving back and then they are vulnerable to the inside out forehand drop shot a la Carlos Moya, Al costa, JCF, corretja and other Spanish players. Her backhand dropshot is already very good.