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bruce goose
Aug 16th, 2012, 05:35 PM
Completely agree with this. Petra actually does possess the chip & slice return, but more often times than not, she can't execute it that well, sending the ROS out or short on the court. Would love to see her develop this more successfully during the off season.

But yea, as others have commented, Petra's serve seems to be less potent this season. She has such a solid service motion, there's no reason why she shouldn't get more speed in her 1st serve considering how much power she can generate. Petra should really have easier service games and get more aces & unreturnables. Sometimes, it just looks like she presses too much on her serve instead of just letting it flow freely. Anyway, I know Petra mentioned that her serve is definitely something her & Kotyza are working to improve on. Hopefully, she'll have adequate time during the off season. Would like to see Petra's 1st serve consistently hitting the lines at an avg 110-115 mph :drool:Well,you're being generous b/c,as is often the case,our dear Vikapower's near-endless,rambling post completely omitted some crucial elements while having a narrow focus: Serena's 'unstoppable' serve is fairly useless on slow red clay most of the time,and the surface is no excuse because Stosur often gets LOTS of service winners and aces when playing there...as do OTHER players who play the surface well.If the WTA ever DOES decide to slow these hardcourts down somewhat,then we'll see some MUCH closer matches there,too.

I'll also speculate that there are/were a few big servers who would've done well even under the one-serve rule,such as Sampras and some others...but I don't believe that Serena would've been one of them.As we've seen what happens when she faces a player who doesn't fear her or if one key element of her game is off(e.g.,Clijsters at USO 2009 or Stosur in 2011),she'll quickly unravel and begin spouting murderous hatred at umpires and line judges in her panic(to be fair,this doesn't happen to her against lesser players...at least almost never).....so put the kneepads away,Vikapower:p,cuz Serena ain't coming to your house to give you any free Slam tickets no matter HOW much you slobber over her:lol:

Petronius
Aug 16th, 2012, 06:05 PM
:oh:..................... :tape::happy::rolls:

http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=22035275&postcount=128

:hysteric::sobbing::haha::hysteric::sobbing::haha: :hysteric::sobbing::haha:

Very sad. The Chinese player IN HER OWN WORDS said that 70 percent of time she had to defend and this poster still claims that Li Na was 'outplaying' Petra.

:shrug:

iPatty
Aug 16th, 2012, 06:22 PM
^ That wasn't the point of that post. Corswandt meant that this isn't the first time that we have seen Excelscior make comments about how we are not "true" Petra fans because we don't predict her to win every single match she plays.

I try not to respond to him/her because they seem like a completely deranged nutjob but it's a bit ridiculous to see someone who has only been on this board since right after Petra won Wimbledon criticize me, who was one of Petra's first fans way back in 2006.

But whatever, resume the foolery that is this subforum.

cosmoose
Aug 16th, 2012, 06:53 PM
KvittyGoat on a 7 match win streak!
Wozzy next!

Synth
Aug 16th, 2012, 06:55 PM
If Petra is focused and healthy, she should blast Woz and Peng off the court

GSM. Steamrolled. Wozniacki is next. Stay focused Petra.

Synth
Aug 16th, 2012, 06:56 PM
^ That wasn't the point of that post. Corswandt meant that this isn't the first time that we have seen Excelscior make comments about how we are not "true" Petra fans because we don't predict her to win every single match she plays.

I try not to respond to him/her because they seem like a completely deranged nutjob but it's a bit ridiculous to see someone who has only been on this board since right after Petra won Wimbledon criticize me, who was one of Petra's first fans way back in 2006.

But whatever, resume the foolery that is this subforum.

I like your insights in GM. Wish you would post more in this subforum. (Meant to add that in a comment, but forgot)

Excelscior
Aug 16th, 2012, 07:05 PM
I like your insights in GM. Wish you would post more in this subforum. (Meant to add that in a comment, but forgot)

Wow! This is too funny now.

For the record Synth, that's all revisionist history, misinterpretation and bullshit, as it appears.

I NEVER said anyone was a REAL PETRA fan; nor do I care. That's silly.

My POINT was, the poster was wrong and couldn't admit it-and give credit to Petra-to hold on to their original belief. That's what I was saying.

It's pure insecurity and self delusion on their part.

Petra won, and did the "unexpected" in that posters eyes. So why spend so much time incredulously arguing what Na did better in areas that many just didn't see or agree with in the first place? Petra won the match, by taking it to Na. It wasn't gifted to her.

My other point was, WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS. But some of us speak, as if we're KNOW IT ALL's (and none of us are; even most "real" experts can't pick matches), so when we're wrong, we'd rather argue about what the one we picked did right and what Petra did wrong, then call it "unexpected"-when most "experts" on television, picked Petra to win the match in the first place. That was the essence of what I was saying.

In other words, some people can't admit when they wrong (no matter how often they are), or that the basis of their "esteemed knowledge" and analysis was incorrect in the first place. That has nothing to do with being a fan or not. We're all entitled to our opinions here (even strong ones). But it's silly, when we're wrong to not admit it (especially when we speak in absolute or declarative terms), and argue otherwise.

That's just pure hubris, stubbornness and stupidity by the pseudo know it all. This is too funny now.

pling
Aug 16th, 2012, 07:06 PM
Against Peng:
break points saved: 5/5
break points won: 4/4
:)

Synth
Aug 16th, 2012, 07:09 PM
For the record Synth, that's all revisionist history and bullshit.

I NEVER said anyone was a REAL PETRA fan or care.

My point was, the poster was wrong, and couldn't admit it, and give credit to Petra.

My other point, we all have opinions. But some of us speak, as if we're no it all's (and none of us are), and when we're wrong, we'd rather argue about the winner did right, and what Petra did wrong, and call it "unexpected", when most "experts" on television, picked Petra to win the match. That was the essence of what I was saying.

I don't care about people being "true Petra fans or not". That wasn't the point.

Yeah. I didn't mean to take any sides on this particular issue. I was referring more to some of iPatty's other analysis in GM. No worries. :) :)

Lufa
Aug 16th, 2012, 07:18 PM
I'm hoping someone can boil that 90 minute video of the Barthel match down into 10 minutes of highlights. There were a couple of shots where I thought there was no way Petra could lug her boobs fast enough to get a racquet on a Barthel shot, and she not only got to it, but hit a screaming winner with a running forehand,

We can always bet on greatest highlights maker on Internet - Top10TennisNetwork...:worship:
Just finished Wozniacki/Wozniak, next is Woz/Kvitova, Kvitova/Li, then Kvitova/Barthel.
good news too, Woz/Petra and Li/Kvitova will both be in HD :)
https://twitter.com/Top10TennisNetw/status/235912544693415936

...don't forget to use like button on highlights :yeah:

TennisAddict84
Aug 16th, 2012, 07:22 PM
We can always bet on greatest highlights maker on Internet - Top10TennisNetwork...:worship:


...don't forget to use like button on highlights :yeah:

LOVE Top10Tennis

steni
Aug 16th, 2012, 08:02 PM
Wow! This is too funny now.

For the record Synth, that's all revisionist history, misinterpretation and bullshit, as it appears.

I NEVER said anyone was a REAL PETRA fan; nor do I care. That's silly.

My POINT was, the poster was wrong and couldn't admit it-and give credit to Petra-to hold on to their original belief. That's what I was saying.

It's pure insecurity and self delusion on their part.

Petra won, and did the "unexpected" in that posters eyes. So why spend so much time incredulously arguing what Na did better in areas that many just didn't see or agree with in the first place? Petra won the match, by taking it to Na. It wasn't gifted to her.

My other point was, WE ALL HAVE OPINIONS. But some of us speak, as if we're KNOW IT ALL's (and none of us are; even most "real" experts can't pick matches), so when we're wrong, we'd rather argue about what the one we picked did right and what Petra did wrong, then call it "unexpected"-when most "experts" on television, picked Petra to win the match in the first place. That was the essence of what I was saying.

In other words, some people can't admit when they wrong, or the basis of their "esteemed knowledge" and analysis was incorrect in the first place. That has nothing to do with being a fan or not. That's just pure hubris, stubbornness and stupidity by the pseudo know it all. This is too funny now.

I feel some jelousy going on here, not from you of course, I think some people cant stand your posts, I honestly read almost everything that you write here. But just cause someone dont post here it doesnt mean they arent fans but why argue for this? Who cares, Petra is winning!

Excelscior
Aug 16th, 2012, 08:22 PM
I feel some jelousy going on here, not from you of course, I think some people cant stand your posts, I honestly read almost everything that you write here. But just cause someone dont post here it doesnt mean they arent fans but why argue for this? Who cares, Petra is winning!

Agreed. And you're correct.

This has nothing to do with being a Petra fan. I couldn't care less about that. Not important.

But I guess for some of us, that's not enough (Petra winning) if it doesn't fit a particular meme, analayis or outcome, that they predicted or created.

I can't believe it's still being discussed and argued on the original thread still. Oh well. :lol: :confused: :lol:

What Petra is doing now is actual news . What we're talking about here and there, is utter nonsense.

Totally agree with you.

steni
Aug 16th, 2012, 08:26 PM
Agreed.

But I guess for some of us, that's not enough if it doesn't fit a particular meme, analayis or outcome, that they predicted or created.

I can't believe their still talking about and arguing that on the thread still. :lol: :confused: :lol:

I honestly dont understand this person, he called Petra names and stuff, wtf? her f*** name is Petra, no Ludmilla (me dislike). I found some post really mean towards Petra, and this make me think this person hates Petra. I guess we get mad at her when she plays like an idiot and loses matches. Im gonna still like her, there is nobody on tour with her game and nice personality!

Excelscior
Aug 16th, 2012, 08:45 PM
I honestly dont understand this person, he called Petra names and stuff, wtf? her f*** name is Petra, no Ludmilla (me dislike). I found some post really mean towards Petra, and this make me think this person hates Petra. I guess we get mad at her when she plays like an idiot and loses matches. Im gonna still like her, there is nobody on tour with her game and nice personality!

You know Steni, I really don't have a problem with folks criticizing and saying nasty things about Petra, whether their fans or not.

However, I know and understand why many people don't agree with that either.

Everybody's entitled to their opinions, feelings and view points. I guess it comes with the territory here. Just ignore them. A lot of people just like to hear themselves talk, no matter how often they end up looking silly doing so. I think they're oblivious to it.

I also don't mind if people are old, new, sometime-ish, pseudo, fans are not. No one has the license on Petra or any other players "fandom."

Players are for everybody.

We can choose to, change and comeback to any player we want, when ever we feel like it-with out ridicule (whether or not, both you, I and others here, are "loyal" Petra fans don't don't run away from her). Honest.

There's nothing wrong with Petra having more people on or off the bandwagon either. The more the merrier. That's expected. And if she starts losing, Petra or any other player will loose some pronto. That's expected as well. Lol Other fans, will continue to hang around, for many of the reasons you said.

And you did bring up some good points on Petra's game and other fan/non fan view points, by the way. :)

steni
Aug 16th, 2012, 08:59 PM
And by the way why this subforum is a foolery now?

Excelscior
Aug 16th, 2012, 09:02 PM
And by the way why this subforum is a foolery now?

Why you say that?

Petronius
Aug 16th, 2012, 09:08 PM
And by the way why this subforum is a foolery now?

Only very insecure people feel the need to take such cheap digs (foolery, loony bin, etc.) instead of presenting a well-reasoned argument.

There's always the IGNORE button. :D

I learnt the hard way when using YAHOO message boards for stock investing.

steni
Aug 16th, 2012, 09:14 PM
Why you say that?


But whatever, resume the foolery that is this subforum.

This

Excelscior
Aug 16th, 2012, 09:18 PM
This

Oh.

I see what you're saying now. And I really don't care, didn't see or notice it.

As far as I know, we're discussing Petra and tennis, while rarely personally criticizing other posters or players.

Any one is welcomed to post here (good and bad), so it can't be that either. We don't have a problem with anyone, as far as I know.

Oh well. I think people are apparently starting stuff that's really not there (or that most of us care about), instead of moving on/talking tennis. :shrug:

I would just ignore it (as Petronius advised). If you don't like or understand something, that may cause unnecessary trouble, approach with an open mind, or leave it alone.

steni
Aug 16th, 2012, 09:26 PM
Oh.

I see what you're saying now. And I really don't care, didn't see or notice it.

As far as I know, we're discussing Petra and tennis, while rarely personally criticizing other posters or players.

Any one is welcomed to post here (good and bad), so it can't be that either.

Oh well. I think people are apparently starting stuff that's really not there (or that most of us care about), instead of moving on/talking tennis. :shrug:

Alright. Too much blah blah blah and Petra ended up kicking ugly Peng in the face lol, it seems Petra is very motivated!

Excelscior
Aug 16th, 2012, 09:30 PM
Alright. Too much blah blah blah and Petra ended up kicking ugly Peng in the face lol, it seems Petra is very motivated!

Yeah.

It appears so (the motivation).

Hopefully, she'll keep it up against the Woz vs Pav's winner.

Do they play today? And does Petra play the winner tomorrow?

Synth
Aug 16th, 2012, 09:37 PM
Yeah. I think Woz's consistency will be too much for Pav's. Here's to hoping the Petra that showed up against Peng shows up against Caroline tomorrow. If that happens. I'm expecting a similar scoreline.

ArcticMoose
Aug 16th, 2012, 11:20 PM
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1937595861/949615__normal.jpg Petra Kvitova ‏@Petra_Kvitova (http://twitter.com/Petra_Kvitova)
After the Barthel match I was sooo tired, but I recovered well and was really ready for the fight today. Quarters next!

pov
Aug 17th, 2012, 12:03 AM
Petra ended up kicking ugly Peng in the face
That's way out of bounds. Check yourself!

pov
Aug 17th, 2012, 12:04 AM
Cincinnati: Kvitova d. Peng 08/16/2012 - 2:56 PM

MASON, OHIO—On the heels of a careening three-set encounter at the Olympic Games, Petra Kvitova and Peng Shuai rebooted in today's Western & Southern Open third round. Kvitova bounded out of the gate to a 2-0 lead before Peng, the loser in London, held at love. Curiously, the 2011 Wimbledon champ didn’t let go with her patented squawk once today, but then again, neither she nor Peng lent much reason to do so.

Both players craft hybrid shots that rely on spin and power—they have no plan B—and on this day Kvitova simply did it far better in posting a 6-2, 6-2, victory.

It all trickles down from a player’s serve, and that made the difference. Twice broken in the middle set of their Olympic duel, Kvitova rained down big serves repeatedly. They weren’t necessarily aces, but the Czech won 73 percent of her second-serve points in the first set, defending well and widely outpacing Peng’s 33 percent on second-serve points in a 6-2 set over in 20 minutes.

The fourth-seeded Kvitova served like a minimalist today, not her usual cup of tea. She was an efficient businesswoman with just four aces and three double faults. That said, she’s almost visibly taken with the notion of making hard-court statements, winning the Montreal final against Li Na, now, and up until—and through—the big show in New York City. Her main foe there would seem to be Serena Williams at this point, but for now, Kvitova batted back all five break points Peng had and seized the four that she herself secured. That "one match at a time" cliché that players are so found of holds up, in reality.

No traction came on this day for the always-ankle-taped Peng. Anytime that she garnered a sliver of momentum, she’d start spraying the ball again. Kvitova still sometimes flew off the (racquet) handle, but never for longer than two points in a row, and in this sport, that’s no streak. The two traded darts with acute angles, as is their wont, before Kvitova broke the match open to a 6-2, 4-0 advantage.

The 6-2, 6-2, result seems routine by the score line, and it largely was a washout for Peng. She looked nothing like the player who had pushed Kvitova to a 7-5, 2-6, 6-1 Olympic win, nor like the player awarded the WTA's shot of the day on August 13. Peng was kind to sign autographs for fans young and old post-match, but the crux of the matter is that, both on court and off, she needn’t be so nice. Court 9 in Cincy has no Hawk-Eye technology, and twice she may have borne the brunt of bad calls, but she persevered indifferently, as she has in so many matches with foes who are either her lateral peers or a rung or two above. (See: Peng versus Flavia Pennetta at 2011 U.S. Open, when the latter was visibly ill and yet won in a dramatic 6-4, 7-6 grit-fest.)

As for Kvitova, Caroline Wozniacki or Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova awaits in the quarterfinals. Mercurial as Kvitova can be, she shouldn’t look beyond that to the specter of a semifinal showdown opposite Serena.

—Jonathan Scott

Lufa
Aug 17th, 2012, 12:12 AM
Order of play - Friday - last match on CC, not before 8:30 PM,
so another late night for EU fans (saturday 2:30 AM CET)
sleep is for weak...

Lufa
Aug 17th, 2012, 12:23 AM
Alright. Too much blah blah blah and Petra ended up kicking ugly Peng in the face lol, it seems Petra is very motivated!
Sometimes I wonder, is that you, ILK revival ? :confused: :eek:

That's way out of bounds. Check yourself!
Agree, that's harsh even for GM standards :(

bruce goose
Aug 17th, 2012, 12:38 AM
Sometimes I wonder, is that you, ILK revival ? :confused: :eek:


Agree, that's harsh even for GM standards :(No,Steni is NOT 'ILK',she is a chica latina(costariccense),but I agree with you that she was out of line in this case.The oddity is that Peng is actually attractive...and I'm not even drawn to Asian gals,normally.Steni needs a spanking from a strong Mexican male,probably....though that might backfire if she ENJOYS the spanking:p.Honestly,though,we may even discuss it privately between the two of us.I've made some bad mistakes myself,but we don't want Petra's forum to have such a nasty current to it as that reflects poorly on the Lioness herself

Deestruction
Aug 17th, 2012, 12:39 AM
Peng is cute not hot but cute.

Lufa
Aug 17th, 2012, 12:47 AM
No,Steni is NOT 'ILK',she is a chica latina(costariccense),but I agree with you that she was out of line in this case.The oddity is that Peng is actually attractive...and I'm not even drawn to Asian gals,normally.Steni needs a spanking from a strong Mexican male,probably....though that might backfire if she ENJOYS the spanking:p.Honestly,though,we may even discuss it privately between the two of us.I've made some bad mistakes myself,but we don't want Petra's forum to have such a nasty current to it as that reflects poorly on the Lioness herself

great idea, punish her! ;) :lol: :devil:

Deestruction
Aug 17th, 2012, 12:49 AM
Well Petra next opponent might be La Borz, she broke back and squeezed out her service game shes down 3-4 now. :yawn:

steni
Aug 17th, 2012, 12:59 AM
That's way out of bounds. Check yourself!

f* yourself!

steni
Aug 17th, 2012, 01:00 AM
ban me than, whiners!

pov
Aug 17th, 2012, 01:02 AM
f* yourself!
Hate to break it to you but f**kin is a team sport for me. So enjoy your wanking and stop saying derogatory things about women.

pov
Aug 17th, 2012, 01:12 AM
No,Steni is NOT 'ILK',she is a chica latina(costariccense),but I agree with you that she was out of line in this case.The oddity is that Peng is actually attractive...and I'm not even drawn to Asian gals,normally.
Steni is a girl? :eek: Are you sure? She comes across like a pubescent boy.

pov
Aug 17th, 2012, 01:13 AM
ban me than, whiners!
Will that help your lack of self-respect?

bruce goose
Aug 17th, 2012, 02:41 AM
Steni is a girl? :eek: Are you sure? She comes across like a pubescent boy.It's probably harder for you to grasp with the cultural differences,but latinas can be very hot-tempered sometimes...it can even be something seemingly small on occasion.There's a Mexican gal over in Elena's forum who can swear like she's getting PAID to do so:lol:.It obviously wasn't Petra's result that caused a problem as the Lioness won convincingly.....I'll see if I can reach our lovely brat away from TF:angel:

ArcticMoose
Aug 17th, 2012, 12:37 PM
Well,you're being generous b/c,as is often the case,our dear Vikapower's near-endless,rambling post completely omitted some crucial elements while having a narrow focus: Serena's 'unstoppable' serve is fairly useless on slow red clay most of the time,and the surface is no excuse because Stosur often gets LOTS of service winners and aces when playing there...as do OTHER players who play the surface well.If the WTA ever DOES decide to slow these hardcourts down somewhat,then we'll see some MUCH closer matches there,too.

I'll also speculate that there are/were a few big servers who would've done well even under the one-serve rule,such as Sampras and some others...but I don't believe that Serena would've been one of them.As we've seen what happens when she faces a player who doesn't fear her or if one key element of her game is off(e.g.,Clijsters at USO 2009 or Stosur in 2011),she'll quickly unravel and begin spouting murderous hatred at umpires and line judges in her panic(to be fair,this doesn't happen to her against lesser players...at least almost never).....so put the kneepads away,Vikapower:p,cuz Serena ain't coming to your house to give you any free Slam tickets no matter HOW much you slobber over her:lol:
:oh::sobbing: :tape: :sobbing::oh:
Probably not what some of you would rather focus on,but some of us in that other forum have noticed that Petra looks sort of fatigued as she battles against her asthma.In my PERSONAL view,she didn't expect to reach the Montreal final...and then have little rest with a quick turnaround in flying off to Cincy.My suspicion is that she'll take a break and back out of NH(and it'd be dumb NOT to).Caro has beaten her three times and can do it again if she plays well,but there very well might be one less difficult foe in that NH draw
:hysteric::sobbing::haha::hysteric::sobbing::haha: :hysteric::sobbing::haha:

Petronius
Aug 17th, 2012, 01:39 PM
BTW, one final comment on this Corswandt poster:

You have probably noticed that the last two times he visited this place he made two offensive remarks aimed at the player supported by this subforum:

Seems like her team isn't delusional and is aware that Ludmila needs to hog like crazy to have any chance of making the YEC.

Those photos are brutally unflattering. Ludmila now has the torso of a burly woman in her late 40s, and is using a top wholly unsuited to her current figure.

Secondly, he joined TF in 2005. You would expect him to know that before the Li Na match Petra had a 7-2 record in WTA finals.

Moreover, last November/December, he claimed that 'Kvitova is one of the best big match players on the WTA tour' and gave her the highest mark (10) for mental toughness.

And all of a sudden, he claims her victory 'unexpected' and then cries like a little baby when someone disagrees with him and points out his inconsistent opinions.

Go figure!

Excelscior
Aug 17th, 2012, 02:56 PM
BTW, one final comment on this Corswandt poster:

You have probably noticed that the last two times he visited this place he made two offensive remarks aimed at the player supported by this subforum:





Secondly, he joined TF in 2005. You would expect him to know that before the Li Na match Petra had a 7-2 record in WTA finals.

Moreover, last November/December, he claimed that 'Kvitova is one of the best big match players on the WTA tour' and gave her the highest mark (10) for mental toughness.

And all of a sudden, he claims her victory 'unexpected' and then cries like a little baby when someone disagrees with him and points out his inconsistent opinions.

Go figure!

You know Petronius, some people on this site speak so arrogantly, knowingly/expertly, contradictory and disparagingly regarding certain players-their tennis abilities and prospective matches, even though they're WRONG so damn often. It's actually quite amusing. :lol:

Now most of the time we ignore them, cause we know it's all dribble/nonsense, pseudo entertainment anyway. That's TF.

Like I said, everybody's TRULY/REALLY entitled to their own opinion here, no matter how strong and wrong they usually are. So let em talk. I got no problem with that. They're always welcome to speak.

But as you said, the moment people bother to challenge the boldly stated rhetoric (logically, games wise, with Analyst comments, and historically), folks get into a name calling, rabid, hormonal hissy fit.

Go Figure indeed. :lol:

Petronius
Aug 17th, 2012, 03:14 PM
Petra scheduled for Centre Court NB 8:30 pm local time. But who knows when the match will actually start ?

Terrible time for Europeans (not before 2:30 am :sobbing:).

Petra should be the favorite, Wozniacki has to play two sets today if she wants to win and Petra's H2H vs. Pavlyuchenkova is 3:1

However, the humidity forecast is 90 percent :eek:

From wikipedia: "High relative humidity reduces the effectiveness of sweating in cooling the body by reducing the rate of evaporation of moisture from the skin."

:help:

Petronius
Aug 17th, 2012, 03:15 PM
You know Petronius, some people on this site speak so arrogantly, knowingly/expertly, contradictory and disparagingly regarding certain players-their tennis abilities and prospective matches, even though they're WRONG so damn often. It's actually quite amusing. :lol:

Now most of the time we ignore them, cause we know it's all dribble/nonsense, pseudo entertainment anyway. That's TF.

Like I said, everybody's TRULY/REALLY entitled to their own opinion here, no matter how strong and wrong they usually are. So let em talk. I got no problem with that. They're always welcome to speak.

But as you said, the moment people bother to challenge the boldly stated rhetoric (logically, games wise, with Analyst comments, and historically), folks get into a name calling, rabid, hormonal hissy fit.

Go Figure indeed. :lol:

Agreed!

bruce goose
Aug 17th, 2012, 03:52 PM
She comes across like a pubescent boy.If you'd like to see a textbook pubescent boy,look no further than our very own Arctic Moose:lol:.Your post's words offered a perfect chance to comment indirectly on his inability to find the keyboard letters after another intense evening of smoking potent marijuana,magic mushrooms or God knows what else.Poor Moose was only able to randomly click emoticons as he couldn't even type a coherent sentence:lol:.Can't remember which European country it was...either Holland or Denmark...that offered free,'safe' clinics where kids could buy recreational drugs so they wouldn't have to go to dealers on the street...but they're having MAJOR problems with thousands and thousands of aimless youth who neither work nor go to school all day and,judging by Moose's posts,his beloved Norway has followed suit with their own youth clinics:lol:

In case any SOBER Petra fans were curious,I'd already posted HERE that Petra seemed fatigued...and Caroline HAS beaten her three times...so no scandal there.I was merely trying to encourage other Caro fans with that post that inbred Moose tried to enflame this forum with because,quite frankly,most of them are afraid about their fave meeting Petra(and they sort of resent her as a threat),understandably,and I really DO believe that it'd be wise for Petra to back out of NH no matter HOW well she finished at Cincy...even with a title.Playing 3 straight tune-ups right before a Slam is a formula for exhaustion even for very fit players,so I'd strongly prefer that Petra:hearts::angel: took a break

Excelscior
Aug 17th, 2012, 03:52 PM
Petra scheduled for Centre Court NB 8:30 pm local time. But who knows when the match will actually start ?

Terrible time for Europeans (not before 2:30 am :sobbing:).

Petra should be the favorite, Wozniacki has to play two sets today if she wants to win and Petra's H2H vs. Pavlyuchenkova is 3:1

However, the humidity forecast is 90 percent :eek:

From wikipedia: "High relative humidity reduces the effectiveness of sweating in cooling the body by reducing the rate of evaporation of moisture from the skin."

:help:

Yeah Petronius, I was going to do a Pro's and Cons on tonights match, when I saw the weather report last night. :lol: :eek: :lol:

From what I saw, the humidity should be about 70% around 10pm at night. But the temperature will be in the low 60's, which may help. The wind should only be 10mph. The chance of rain would be at 10%.

If Petra gets off the court by 11pm, she should be fine. At that point the humidity level will be 78%, going up to 81% by 12am. As a comparison, it will be 60% at 9pm, if/when the match starts.

Note: The Weather Underground Forecast, calls for slightly less humidity-at 60%, even at 11pm. The Forecast I posted at the start, came from both The Weather Channel, and AccuWeather.

Ironically, the day time humidity will be in the 40's. But since Woz's and Pav's match won't finish till today, I guess a night match was destined for Petra anyway.

The tennis ball probably won't travel as fast in the cooler night air as well. So if Petra faces Woz (and who knows, though Pav's is leading), Caro probably won't be able to generate her own power. But at the same time, it can slow up Petra's ball enough for her to get to it, than it would on the hot day time court. And what about fatigue from those two? At least Petra get's extra rest, for now. A lot of pros and cons.

As customary, we'll see?

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 17th, 2012, 05:11 PM
BTW, one final comment on this Corswandt poster:

You have probably noticed that the last two times he visited this place he made two offensive remarks aimed at the player supported by this subforum:





Secondly, he joined TF in 2005. You would expect him to know that before the Li Na match Petra had a 7-2 record in WTA finals.

Moreover, last November/December, he claimed that 'Kvitova is one of the best big match players on the WTA tour' and gave her the highest mark (10) for mental toughness.

And all of a sudden, he claims her victory 'unexpected' and then cries like a little baby when someone disagrees with him and points out his inconsistent opinions.

Go figure!


You know what Petronius, I always remember the point you made about the name Ludmila and it's derivative form Lida and I have to agree with you 100% that anyone who would make fun of that name is clueless about Czech culture and only demonstrates their cultural ignorance in public in spades. Like you, I've known many Lidas and all of them have been super Czech kočky, young or old. To liken the name with someone being boring or plain or from a backward village is just plain STUPID. It's a traditional Czech name with a deep, long history and anyone who doesn't respect that is just a retard and cultural barbarian. Too bad and too sad for them and anyone who agrees with them on this point. I'm not being pigheaded, what I'm saying is a fact. Get a clue about Czech culture before you pop off you ballless little snipers.

:worship: Lidas rock!!! And so do Petras!!! Get over it meatheads!!! :worship:

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 17th, 2012, 05:53 PM
Yeah Petronius, I was going to do a Pro's and Cons on tonights match, when I saw the weather report last night. :lol: :eek: :lol:

From what I saw, the humidity should be about 70% around 10pm at night. But the temperature will be in the low 60's, which may help. The wind should only be 10mph. The chance of rain would be at 10%.

If Petra gets off the court by 11pm, she should be fine. At that point the humidity level will be 78%, going up to 81% by 12am. As a comparison, it will be 60% at 9pm, if/when the match starts.

Note: The Weather Underground Forecast, calls for slightly less humidity-at 60%, even at 11pm. The Forecast I posted at the start, came from both The Weather Channel, and AccuWeather.

Ironically, the day time humidity will be in the 40's. But since Woz's and Pav's match won't finish till today, I guess a night match was destined for Petra anyway.

The tennis ball probably won't travel as fast in the cooler night air as well. So if Petra faces Woz (and who knows, though Pav's is leading), Caro probably won't be able to generate her own power. But at the same time, it can slow up Petra's ball enough for her to get to it, than it would on the hot day time court. And what about fatigue from those two? At least Petra get's extra rest, for now. A lot of pros and cons.

As customary, we'll see?


If Petra plays at any normal level, which I think she will, she'll advance to the next round over A.P. She's just the better player and I think A.P. understands that. :worship:

Now, the follow up match with Scarena, that remains to be seen. Thank god it's on a weekend so we can stay up or get up early or whatever it takes to see the match live. I can't wait! Maybe she's catching Scarena at the right time. If she can keep her head against her and jump out early, I think she can do it. If she falls behind, then I think she's toast. JMHO.

Martina CZ
Aug 17th, 2012, 07:04 PM
Ufff... it took me 2 days to catch up on all posts in this subforum :lol:
Dee, welcome :wavey:

You know what Petronius, I always remember the point you made about the name Ludmila and it's derivative form Lida and I have to agree with you 100% that anyone who would make fun of that name is clueless about Czech culture and only demonstrates their cultural ignorance in public in spades. Like you, I've known many Lidas and all of them have been super Czech kočky, young or old. To liken the name with someone being boring or plain or from a backward village is just plain STUPID. It's a traditional Czech name with a deep, long history and anyone who doesn't respect that is just a retard and cultural barbarian. Too bad and too sad for them and anyone who agrees with them on this point. I'm not being pigheaded, what I'm saying is a fact. Get a clue about Czech culture before you pop off you ballless little snipers.
QPF thank you, honestly I didn't expect someone to really bring this up.
BTW, where is your rollercoaster signature? It was my most favored one...

Petra scheduled for Centre Court NB 8:30 pm local time. But who knows when the match will actually start ?
Terrible time for Europeans (not before 2:30 am :sobbing:).

C'mon, it's Friday, you can sleep late in the morning :angel:

Excelscior
Aug 17th, 2012, 07:05 PM
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If Petra plays at any normal level, which I think she will, she'll advance to the next round over A.P. She's just the better player and I think A.P. understands that. :worship:

Now, the follow up match with Scarena, that remains to be seen. Thank god it's on a weekend so we can stay up or get up early or whatever it takes to see the match live. I can't wait! Maybe she's catching Scarena at the right time. If she can keep her head against her and jump out early, I think she can do it. If she falls behind, then I think she's toast. JMHO.

I agree with your comments on the match. Let's hope that Petra lives up to her end of the bargain. Who knows how Pav's will feel, after winning a set and beating Woz for the first time?

Believe it or not, I actually feel I know what to expect more in a Wozniaki, than a Pav's match. Petra shouldn't take anything for granted. Pav's is unpredictable and can be tricky when playing well.

Nasty may also be excited to play this match, cause she knows Petra will give her pace, after playing the pace-less Wozniaki. So Petra should mix it up, use the angles, serve well, and pounce on Pav's 2nd serve to assure the win, and take away her spirit/hope early.

However, I'm a little dissapointed in Woz. :devil:

Shoot, she couldn't even take this match into a third set, making the hefty Pav's that much more labored and winded, entering the match tonight. No work out. :lol: Oh well.

We'll worry about Serena, if/when Petra wins this match, and if/when Serena does the same.

Onward!

Petronius
Aug 17th, 2012, 08:33 PM
You know what Petronius, I always remember the point you made about the name Ludmila and it's derivative form Lida and I have to agree with you 100% that anyone who would make fun of that name is clueless about Czech culture and only demonstrates their cultural ignorance in public in spades. Like you, I've known many Lidas and all of them have been super Czech kočky, young or old. To liken the name with someone being boring or plain or from a backward village is just plain STUPID. It's a traditional Czech name with a deep, long history and anyone who doesn't respect that is just a retard and cultural barbarian. Too bad and too sad for them and anyone who agrees with them on this point. I'm not being pigheaded, what I'm saying is a fact. Get a clue about Czech culture before you pop off you ballless little snipers.

:worship: Lidas rock!!! And so do Petras!!! Get over it meatheads!!! :worship:

No problem with the Ludmila name. It's cute. I was referring to that poster's lack of 'good manners'.

For example in the second quoted post this clown said that the 22-year-old girl we support here has a torso of a woman in her late forties.

I have little doubt that telling to a woman that she looks 25 years older than she actually is would be considered an insult at any place in the world.

But let's move on, would be amazing if both Petra and Serena made it to the semis.

Good luck.

Petronius
Aug 17th, 2012, 08:37 PM
Ufff... it took me 2 days to catch up on all posts in this subforum :lol:


:lol:

ArcticMoose
Aug 17th, 2012, 09:32 PM
New Haven Draw
](1)Agnieszka Radwanska (POL) v BYE
Q v Francesca Schiavone (ITA)
Daniela Hantuchova (SVK) v Mona Barthel (GER)
Shahar Peer (ISR) v (7)Maria Kirilenko (RUS)

(3)Caroline Wozniacki (DEN) v Ekaterina Makarova (RUS)
Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova (RUS) v Sofia Arvidsson (SWE)
Q v Andrea Petkovic (GER)
Anabel Medina Garrigues (ESP) v (6)Dominika Cibulkova (SVK)

(5)Marion Bartoli (FRA) v (wc)Laura Robson (GBR)
Sloane Stephens (USA) v Tamira Paszek (AUT)
Agnes Szavay (HUN) v Carla Suarez Navarro (ESP)
(wc)Bethanie Mattek-Sands (USA) v (4)Sara Errani (ITA)

(8)Lucie Safarova (CZE) v Varvara Lepchenko (USA)
Tsvetana Pironkova (BUL) v Jie Zheng (CHN)
Q v Q
(2/wc)Petra Kvitova (CZE) v BYE

:)I would like to see Kvitty play at NH rather than pullout quoting some lame excuse. There is an argument for resting up for the USO but for Kvitty what she needs is confidence & self-belief IMO that she can play on US HCs while overcoming the elements/perceived health issues & have good results. IMO she needs more than just the Montreal title to inject this belief+confidence into her mind & system. Considering until this year she has pretty much been wandering the North American HC wilderness, it is best IMO she capitalises on the momentum she has generated for herself through sheer grit & dogedness while not perhaps being 100% happy with her own game. The slam itself is well spaced out with rest days in-between so I would be happy if she gambled on the NH tourney as her practice session before rocking up to the big apple.:D

plokploky
Aug 17th, 2012, 09:43 PM
She should sleep to the final. If she could develop a lindsay serve, or even better a williams serve, she would basically already have a bye to the final, but as long as she can be consistent with her serve, this is going to be her second/third final of the year.

I bet she withdraws.

bruce goose
Aug 17th, 2012, 10:37 PM
:)I would like to see Kvitty play at NH rather than pullout quoting some lame excuse. There is an argument for resting up for the USO but for Kvitty what she needs is confidence & self-belief IMO that she can play on US HCs while overcoming the elements/perceived health issues & have good results. IMO she needs more than just the Montreal title to inject this belief+confidence into her mind & system. Considering until this year she has pretty much been wandering the North American HC wilderness, it is best IMO she capitalises on the momentum she has generated for herself through sheer grit & dogedness while not perhaps being 100% happy with her own game. The slam itself is well spaced out with rest days in-between so I would be happy if she gambled on the NH tourney as her practice session before rocking up to the big apple.:DWow!The next time I meet someone who tells me that marijuana doesn't kill brain cells,I'll direct the skeptic to YOUR posts and that will instantly make him/her a believer:lol:

In case you hadn't noticed,Einstein,Petra is in Cincinnati right now,giving her TWO Premier warm-ups prior to the USO.I'm sure you haven't given it any deep thought...if you're even CAPABLE of such depth:haha:...but do you really think that Petra will need THREE tournaments,and not just two,to sufficiently build up her confidence for the USO?If she's THAT fragile,then she should just retire right now...btw,asthma is not a PERCEIVED health issue,moron--it's a bona fide physical illness:crazy:

You aren't bright enough to notice how you contradicted yourself in consecutive sentences...first accusing that it'd be 'lame' if she pulled out of NH then,right after that,you admitted that rest was a legit concern:lol:.If Petra has already shown signs of being tired,then how sensible would it be to have no rest at all prior to a Slam:silly:?Oh,I forgot about your 'well-spaced-out' single days of rest that will somehow counteract the fatigue Petra feels from playing one month straight:lol:.While you're still sober enough to hit the keyboard correctly,why don't you do some research where you'll find how EXTREMELY rare it's been,even for legends who were athletically fit,to play three tune-ups without rest and then win the subsequent Slam: It's happened no more than 5 times in the last 20 years or so...and I'm fairly sure it's been LESS than 5.If she can't find her form after Montreal AND Cincy,then she's a hopeless case and NH isn't going to help her.

Though I'd admire her guts in playing NH,sometimes discretion should take the place of valor.It wouldn't be lame or dishonest if Petra reached the Cincy SFs or final and then politely pulled out of NH due to fatigue concerns.However,it WOULD be hugely lame if Petra EVER took your advice on ANYthing unless it were for a college behavioral psychology course on how to communicate with stoned and/or drunken idiots:lol:

Barktra
Aug 17th, 2012, 10:43 PM
Petra should beat Pavs tonight :cheer:

A little worried about Kerber. Kerber does suck at sf and f at big events, but she is a player that could give Petra a nightmare if they are to meet in the semis

Petronius
Aug 17th, 2012, 11:17 PM
Petra should beat Pavs tonight :cheer:

A little worried about Kerber. Kerber does suck at sf and f at big events, but she is a player that could give Petra a nightmare if they are to meet in the semis

Yeah, this tournament is getting very interesting, but it seems that Serena was tired and out of form. I think she hit 40 and 30 errors in her previous two matches respectively.

She has won so many titles recently that there's maybe some lack of motivation for these warm-ups. She'll be pumped up like crazy for the US Open.

One step at a time, Pavlyuchenkova next.

Excelscior
Aug 17th, 2012, 11:24 PM
Petra should beat Pavs tonight :cheer:

A little worried about Kerber. Kerber does suck at sf and f at big events, but she is a player that could give Petra a nightmare if they are to meet in the semis

Not worried about Kerber, based off of their Stuttgart and Rome matches, as well as what I saw today from her beating Rena (knock on wooden Tennis racket).

Now Petra has to beat, the recently unpredictable Pav's (up until a few weeks ago, you always knew she was going to lose at a certain point or before then). Now she's showing a little better form. Knock on wood.

Petra can't take her lightly, and if the elements are bothering her (which I hope not), she has to grit it out and win.

As far as New Haven; if Petra does very well in Cincinnati (wink wink), she'll have more than enough confidence entering the US Open to rest, I think.

If she did do that (wink wink), or if she's tired in losing, I think she should withdraw from New Haven and rest up as well.

Remember, Petra's a high seed, and will get to feast on lower ranked players with her current form for the first 3-4 rds to build up back her confidence. So I would take the rest.

She can't really do much with her form if she's tired, or much for her confidence, if she loses unexpectedly at the Open because she's tired.

plokploky
Aug 17th, 2012, 11:25 PM
I don'y know if it's the stosur fan inside of me, but I'm worried that she won't be able to win against pavs :sobbing: I'll be praying she does, but not expecting much.

Petronius
Aug 17th, 2012, 11:34 PM
Not worried about Kerber, based off of their Stuttgart and Rome matches, as well as what I saw today from her beating Rena (knock on wooden Tennis racket).

Now Petra has to beat, the recently unpredictable Pav's (up until a few weeks ago, you always knew she was going to lose at a certain point or before then). Now she's showing a little better form. Knock on wood.

Petra can't take her lightly, and if the elements are bothering her, she has to grit it out (which I hope not), and win.

As far as New Haven; if Petra does very well in Cincinnati (wink wink), she'll have more than enough confidence entering the US Open to rest, I think.

If she did do that (wink wink), or if she's tired in losing, I think she should withdraw from New Haven and rest up as well.

Remember, Petra's a high seed, and will get to feast on lower ranked players for the first 3-4 rds to build up back her confidence.

For a change I would love Petra to end up in Azarenka's or Radwanska's quarter at the US Open. They have not played a single match this year.

Excelscior
Aug 17th, 2012, 11:37 PM
For a change I would love Petra to end up in Azarenka's or Radwanska's quarter at the US Open. They have not played a single match this year.

Yeah, wouldn't that be something!!?? :eek:

Hell, how about Radwanska and Azarenka's half!? :scratch: :spit: :scratch:

Can we ever get to see that (though to be honest Pova has not been historically good at the Open, and who knows about Serena's health and fitness in NYC)!?

King Halep
Aug 17th, 2012, 11:40 PM
Peng is a stronger opponent than Nastia. Borz must have been terrible to lose to her. I cant see Kvitova beating Azarenka outdoors with all the humidity breathing problems blah blah

Excelscior
Aug 17th, 2012, 11:42 PM
Peng is a stronger opponent than Nastia. Borz must have been terrible to lose to her. I cant see Kvitova beating Azarenka outdoors with all the humidity breathing problems blah blah

I can, if she beat Ni La in a three setter recently (and knowing her history with Azarenka).

TennisAddict84
Aug 17th, 2012, 11:51 PM
For a change I would love Petra to end up in Azarenka's or Radwanska's quarter at the US Open. They have not played a single match this year.

yes! would love to finally see that happen this season! and then have serena on the other side of the draw as maria :lol:

ArcticMoose
Aug 18th, 2012, 12:19 AM
I don'y know if it's the stosur fan inside of me, but I'm worried that she won't be able to win against pavs :sobbing: I'll be praying she does, but not expecting much.

:) We are all counting on your prayers;) - just make sure you pray loudly & for good measure please sing a hymn or two:angel:

Petronius
Aug 18th, 2012, 12:21 AM
I can, if she beat Ni La in a three setter recently (and knowing her history with Azarenka).

This.

Excelscior
Aug 18th, 2012, 12:33 AM
:) We are all counting on your prayers;) - just make sure you pray loudly & for good measure please sing a hymn or two:angel:

:haha: :oh: :haha:

mikireturns
Aug 18th, 2012, 01:49 AM
Really REALLY rooting for our awesome Petra. I was worried about her peaking too soon, but no matter what happens in Cincy, she will be a total Danger Zone at Flushing Meadows. One match at a time, Petra ...

bruce goose
Aug 18th, 2012, 03:03 AM
Yeah, this tournament is getting very interesting, but it seems that Serena was tired and out of form. I think she hit 40 and 30 errors in her previous two matches respectively.

She has won so many titles recently that there's maybe some lack of motivation for these warm-ups. She'll be pumped up like crazy for the US Open.

One step at a time, Pavlyuchenkova next.Awwwww,poor Serena was tired,was she:sad::sad::sad:?Just one more example to prove that Graf was MUCH stronger mentally and a clearly superior player...not to mention that Steffi didn't threaten to kill umpires TWICE in a nervous panic when she was losing a big match.Tbh,I'm a little disappointed because I wanted PETRA to be the one who kicked her ass....oh,well

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 18th, 2012, 03:48 AM
Hope she withdraws from Dallas now. I want to her not to burn out before USO.

Excelscior
Aug 18th, 2012, 03:54 AM
Pav's is a pest.

I understand Petra's level went down some in the 2nd set (trying to play fast points, cause she knew Pav's serve couldn't hurt her). But not that much. :lol:

Pav's knew she was going to lose-with her crappy ass all or nothing serve. But she kept delaying the inevitable, by fighting as Petra went deep into practically all her service games.

You knew she wasn't going to survive the tiebreak (if they had one), unless something terrible happened to Petra, the way Kvitty was easily holding serve. But Pav's kept trying; kept scraping; kept fighting. SMH/WHY!?

Just Get The F Court, and let our Kvitty get some rest you talented scrub!! She gotta semi-final to play tomorrow!! Geesh. :lol:

But I guess it's good preparation for Carebear (the tension of the third set and the opponents crappy serve, not the free swinging and no real construction of points that Petra was doing).

And if Petra didn't listen to Chair Umpire, Caroline Cramer, that made it 4-2, instead of 5-1 on that baseline ball in the tiebreak, Petra would of probably won it 7-1 or 7-2.

I'm not even going to complain about the length of the match (should/could of been over sooner), cause most of the points weren't that long anyway.

I'm hoping tomorrows match is at least late afternoon? Better be!

Onward!

TennisAddict84
Aug 18th, 2012, 03:59 AM
Pav's is a pest.

I understand Petra's level went down some in the 2nd set (trying to play fast points, cause she knew Pav's serve couldn't hurt her). But not that much. :lol:

Pav's knew she was going to lose-with her crappy ass all or nothing serve, but she kept delaying the inevitable, by fighting as Petra went deep into practically all her service games.

And Petra kept trying to tee off.

Just Get The F Court, and let our Kvitty get some rest you talented scrub!!

Geesh. :lol:

But I guess it's good preparation for Carebear (the tension of the third set and the opponents crappy serve, not the free swinging and not constructing points Petra was doing).

And if Petra didn't listen to that umpire on 3-1 on the baseline ball in the tiebreak, she would of probably won it 7-1 or 2.

I'm not even going to complain about the length of the match (should/could of been over sooner), cause most of the points weren't that long anyway.

Onward!

Yeah, Petra def wasn't trying her hardest or going all out, knowing that she was in full control of the match, was easily holding her service games, and Pav not serving that well. And I'm sure Petra was trying to exert as little energy as possible in the humid conditions. As a result, she was missing a lot of routine shots tonight. But I hope she puts in the full effort tomorrow night against Kerber cuz otherwise, she'll be in trouble.

Synth
Aug 18th, 2012, 04:17 AM
I hope Petra is well aware of Kerber's power considering that she lost to her earlier this year, albeit she had an abdominal injury then, but still. I think she'll be well aware. If her team is not aware then Kotzya should definitely be fired. :P

pov
Aug 18th, 2012, 04:27 AM
Awwwww,poor Serena was tired,was she:sad::sad::sad:?Just one more example to prove that Graf was MUCH stronger mentally and a clearly superior player...not to mention that Steffi didn't threaten to kill umpires TWICE in a nervous panic when she was losing a big match.Tbh,I'm a little disappointed because I wanted PETRA to be the one who kicked her ass....oh,well
:facepalm: You and so many others at TF, seem to let your emotional likes/dislikes get in the way of any level of objective analysis.

Excelscior
Aug 18th, 2012, 05:16 AM
Venus and Ni La play 7pm on C.Court tomorrow.

Petra and Kerber play after that.

Hopefully, Venus and Kerber will be finished in 2hrs.

It's official, I guess. The second night match, really is the Grave Yard Shift, cause Venus is playing at 7pm (though I do understand both her and Ni La are older, and Na played a final in Montreal)....And you know Venus was calling the shots for this match, out the rest of the three.

Good rest for Petra, but if she wins, hopefully the turn around won't be so quick for Sun.

But first things first. And you got to play Kerber.

Another late/long night for you Europeans though. :)

bruce goose
Aug 18th, 2012, 06:20 AM
:facepalm: You and so many others at TF, seem to let your emotional likes/dislikes get in the way of any level of objective analysis.My 'dislike' is for b.s. excuses...sort of the moronic reason you had for starting that stupid thread about Bartoli's comments that has all the shelf life of a disco song:lol:.I think I'll open an idiotic thread in your name for every time you do that from here on out...just for the fun of it.

Btw,you lack the wisdom or insight to read anyone's mind...except for maybe Moose's since that's a short story:lol:...so quit pretending to be so insightful when no one believes you're that brilliant,anyway:lol:....y ponte sus ":facepalm:" donde el sol no brilla:p:wavey:

Excelscior
Aug 18th, 2012, 07:15 AM
PS Guys:

Practically the exact same weather report Sat as I gave earlier in the day for Fri Night.

I.e., Humidity starts off decent at 8-9pm, then increases as the night progresses, especially after 11pm, when it's around 70+ and going up.

The only good thing, is the temperature is still in the low 60's.

Go Petra!

Sasja
Aug 18th, 2012, 07:26 AM
Happy she won it in straight sets :) Good run she is having now on the HC :p

Kerber will be really tough. Hopefully she can get her revenge for that loss earlier this year :oh:
Either way I'm really happy about the last 2 weeks :D

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 18th, 2012, 07:55 AM
[QUOTE=Martina CZ;22044384]Ufff... it took me 2 days to catch up on all posts in this subforum :lol:
Dee, welcome :wavey:


QPF thank you, honestly I didn't expect someone to really bring this up.
BTW, where is your rollercoaster signature? It was my most favored one...

You're welcome! It was nothing. I could introduce Corswandt to a couple of Lidas who would change his opinion about that name for life! ;)

The rollercoaster signature? I think I stole that one from somebody. :o I liked it too!!!! :lol:

Here's another one just for you. :wavey:

:worship: The Queen Petra rollercoaster just keeps on rolling!!! :worship:

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 18th, 2012, 08:20 AM
I agree with your comments on the match. Let's hope that Petra lives up to her end of the bargain. Who knows how Pav's will feel, after winning a set and beating Woz for the first time?

Believe it or not, I actually feel I know what to expect more in a Wozniaki, than a Pav's match. Petra shouldn't take anything for granted. Pav's is unpredictable and can be tricky when playing well.

Nasty may also be excited to play this match, cause she knows Petra will give her pace, after playing the pace-less Wozniaki. So Petra should mix it up, use the angles, serve well, and pounce on Pav's 2nd serve to assure the win, and take away her spirit/hope early.

However, I'm a little dissapointed in Woz. :devil:

Shoot, she couldn't even take this match into a third set, making the hefty Pav's that much more labored and winded, entering the match tonight. No work out. :lol: Oh well.

We'll worry about Serena, if/when Petra wins this match, and if/when Serena does the same.

Onward!


Well Ex, as we figured Petra was too much for Pav's again. :worship:

It's a shame we won't get to see Petra take on an unbalanced, ripe for the picking Scarena. Like Kerber yesterday, I think Petra really could've done some damage offensively. It must be said though that Kerber's defense and retrieving were just off the charts. Scarena did make Kerber's job a lot easier with the bushels full of UEs she produced. Why can't she be that off when she plays Petra sometimes! :lol:

Kerber played as consistently as a Swiss clock the whole match. I'm sure one of her goals will be to jump on Petra early before she gets into a zone. Petra will need to do more than just outbang Kerber to win this one. Kerber is a strong counterpuncher who moves well for a girl with thick legs. As much as possible Petra needs to match Kerber's consistency and avoid any walkabouts. Petra can definitely match Kerber stroke for stroke, so what it's going to come down to is how well she serves and returns. Serena in her better moments yesterday proved Kerber can still be had by a great server. Let's hope Petra brings her A-game because she's going to need it!

:worship: The Queen Petra rollercoaster is on a roll!!! Good luck Petra!!! You can do it!!! :worship:

Martina CZ
Aug 18th, 2012, 08:23 AM
:worship: The Queen Petra rollercoaster just keeps on rolling!!! :worship:

:bounce: :hearts:
:lol:

ArcticMoose
Aug 18th, 2012, 01:39 PM
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bruce goose
Aug 18th, 2012, 03:06 PM
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Excelscior
Aug 18th, 2012, 03:45 PM
Well Ex, as we figured Petra was too much for Pav's again. :worship:

It's a shame we won't get to see Petra take on an unbalanced, ripe for the picking Scarena. Like Kerber yesterday, I think Petra really could've done some damage offensively. It must be said though that Kerber's defense and retrieving were just off the charts. Scarena did make Kerber's job a lot easier with the bushels full of UEs she produced. Why can't she be that off when she plays Petra sometimes! :lol:

Kerber played as consistently as a Swiss clock the whole match. I'm sure one of her goals will be to jump on Petra early before she gets into a zone. Petra will need to do more than just outbang Kerber to win this one. Kerber is a strong counterpuncher who moves well for a girl with thick legs. As much as possible Petra needs to match Kerber's consistency and avoid any walkabouts. Petra can definitely match Kerber stroke for stroke, so what it's going to come down to is how well she serves and returns. Serena in her better moments yesterday proved Kerber can still be had by a great server. Let's hope Petra brings her A-game because she's going to need it!

:worship: The Queen Petra rollercoaster is on a roll!!! Good luck Petra!!! You can do it!!! :worship:

Hey QFP.

Yeah, Petra won last night as expected (especially if she did what she had to do), indeed.

She looked very sharp and business like in the first set (despite the only break Pav's got against her when Petra had several game points, and finally gave it up after a DF). Petra broke right back after that. Her demeanor was a good sign.

In the second set, it appeared she knew she was in control in the match, so was just practicing her ground stroke and ROS winners attempts. Honestly. :lol:

However, Pav's would have none of it, as she struggled and fought, and scraped with that all or nothing serve of hers and groundies. :lol: Good for h her. And good for Petra, closing it out in 2 sets!

Yeah, Serena was ripe for the picking. She was actually ripe for the picking with Ula Radwanska. Ula was just to stupid and inept to accept the gift. :lol:

Serena looked very tired and exhausted. I guess the Olympic double, Wimbledon, and her questionable health, all took it's toll. And she wanted to win, cause she got a code violation for destroying her racket on a couple of attempts. :tape:

As to your question; sometimes you wonder if she was playing Stosur, Petra or Sharapova, would that match had just been a walkover, so Serena couldn't give them the satisfaction of defeating her. :lol: :help: :lol: Remember last summer, when she dropped out of this same tournament, when she was about to play Stosur in the semi's or finals (I forget)?

I don't think at this point, Serena looks at Kerber as one of the legitimate threats to her that she needs to keep in their place. No!

As far as Kerber and Petra. I'm not really worried about her.

Based off of their first two matches (unless things changed, and all things being equal), I think Petra's game bothers Kerber, more than Kerbers game bothers Petra's. And lord knows Kerber has a god awful Kinegarden 2nd serve waiting to be smacked to NY for The start of The US Open.

I mean anything can happen. And Kerber can certainly take advantage when your off your game. She proved that last night against Serena, and with Petra in Rome. However, if Petra's not tired or bothered and does what she has to, I think she'll win (knock on wooden tennis racket, of course).

Petra should volley as well (among-st other things), to cut off points and rallies early.

I don't think Kerber played that great QFP. Minus a few good serves, she was serving very slow and amateurishly. And she attempted some pathetic ones in the tension filled parts the match, till she finally hit that ace to close it out. Let's hope she keeps it up! :oh:

Serena didn't serve that well herself.

She was serving in the 70's and 80's sometimes on first serves like Kerber. And Serena was barely moving through out the match as well. And accept for some moments later in the second set, Rena wasn't hitting with any pace or real depth on her groundies, and that's when they actually fell in. :help:

Nonetheless, all respect due to Kerber on a great win yesterday, and her next match with Petra.

She's a great competitor. And I respect her.

Onward!

Excelscior
Aug 18th, 2012, 03:51 PM
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Never realized Kotyza was tall (or 6 foot-ish).

I always thought he was a small guy.

And many people who've stood next to Petra actually believe she's 6'1"-6'2", than an even 6'.

Deestruction
Aug 18th, 2012, 03:56 PM
Ufff... it took me 2 days to catch up on all posts in this subforum :lol:
Dee, welcome :wavey:


QPF thank you, honestly I didn't expect someone to really bring this up.
BTW, where is your rollercoaster signature? It was my most favored one...

You're welcome! It was nothing. I could introduce Corswandt to a couple of Lidas who would change his opinion about that name for life! ;)

The rollercoaster signature? I think I stole that one from somebody. :o I liked it too!!!! :lol:

Here's another one just for you. :wavey:

:worship: The Queen Petra rollercoaster just keeps on rolling!!! :worship:

Thank you sweetie, just lovin Petra every day and night :angel:

mikireturns
Aug 18th, 2012, 04:10 PM
Petra is serving notice (ha!) that she wants to be the next player to rule the tennis roost. Very interesting that Li Na is ramping-up her efforts to crash the party with the hiring of Carlos Rodriguez (Henin's former mentor), but Na is no Henin and I think she is uncoachable.

Hopefully, Petra will get a chance to deflate Li's confidence again this weekend.

Get it DONE, Petra, and then have a week of rest and mental prep for the Open you can surely WIN!!!!

mac47
Aug 18th, 2012, 04:17 PM
Excescior, are you joking? Kotyza is standing on tiptoe to reach the same height as Petra standing flat footed.

mac47
Aug 18th, 2012, 04:19 PM
People need to temper expectations here. Petra isn't over her asthma difficulties, and it is not reasonable to expect her to win the US Open.

Her footwork and defense have looked much nicer this week.

I am nervous about the Care Bear match, and if Petra wins that, I think she's even odds against Li Na, and the underdog against Venus.

Excelscior
Aug 18th, 2012, 04:23 PM
Excescior, are you joking? Kotyza is standing on tiptoe to reach the same height as Petra standing flat footed.

Wow!

I did not notice that. :eek:

You're right!!

So I guess he's 5'9"-5'11'-ish (depending how tall Petra really is)? Okay.

Funny, how/why he had to stand on his heels in the picture, when taking it with a woman; even a much younger one, that's his pupil. :oh:

ArcticMoose
Aug 18th, 2012, 05:28 PM
Have been slightly harsh on you lately,Moose,maybe.You ARE an idiot,but you're usually a nice fellow,too:hug:,so have fun cheering Petra to victory today cuz I'm taking the day off to spend with my gf and do some other stuff.......Oh,and....don't try to operate any heavy machinery,Moose...EVEN if you're sober at the time:lol::wavey:
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Deestruction
Aug 18th, 2012, 10:46 PM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo im dying on that pic :sobbing: :haha:

cosmoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 04:42 AM
Waiting for the press release announcing Petra's withdrawal from NH in 5..4...3..

Synth
Aug 19th, 2012, 04:45 AM
It depends on how badly she wants to win the US Open Series I guess? If Na wins here- does she have any chance?

But I agree. She's proven her point. She can play on NA Hardcourt, she should be confident in that and rest up.

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 04:48 AM
Worst match that Petra played in this US Open series, besides Pervak (which was understandable).

I mean between Kerber's awful serving, and Petra's inconsistent serving and ROS all match, I'm just drained. And I'm just glad it's over.

I don't know if Petra was tired, flat, it was too late, she had played enough, or what ever, it was just a terrible semi-final/ESPN Broadcast match for her. SMH

There was just no consistency from Petra in anything (except maybe for the 2nd set in tonight's match). It was totally and tantalizingly in Petra's hands all night, and she kept botching it up again and again.

50UE!!! I mean she had 44 or so winners, but those 50+ UE hurt a whole lot more in this match than those winners helped.

I'm to tired to mention what I saw that Petra coulda, woulda, should done and all that. I need to go to bed. :lol:

And as far as that ESPN stat with Petra and left handers (1-11 vs top 10); I never heard of that one. Cause I don't know how many are in the top 10, Petra could actually play. And if they're saying Petra is 1-11 vs lefthanders, then that's just silly. Cause we all know she's defeated Lepchenko twice, Makarova, Kerber, and others, just for starters. So I don't know who their stat man is, but they need to fire him, and retract that stat as untrue or misleading.

Ultimately, I don't know if I should be disappointed or relieved for Petra. She had the chance to win the US Open series, be in another final and title (against an opponent that's eminently beatable tonight). And now she's 1-5 in semifinals this year. That's just awful.

And unless she's truly tired, what's a loss like this says about game and do to her confidence (or maybe it will help, knowing she was off her game) entering the US Open? If you were Petra, how would you feel after a loss like this? Kerber knew she was overmatched, and all she could do was hold on.

I have nothing else to say.

Goodnight!!

cosmoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 04:50 AM
It depends on how badly she wants to win the US Open Series I guess? If Na wins here- does she have any chance?

But I agree. She's proven her point. She can play on NA Hardcourt, she should be confident in that and rest up.

I don't think Na will win if Angie plays the same way. It will look a lot like tonight's match.

I'm torn about whether Petra should play New Haven.
Part of me thinks of course she should try to rest up for USO
But in the past, Petra has played quite badly after extended break.
Maybe keep playing is her best option? to stay sharp....and work on her forehand accuracy! :help:

pov
Aug 19th, 2012, 04:50 AM
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cosmoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 04:54 AM
And as far as that ESPN stat with Petra and left handers (1-11 vs top 10); I never heard of that one. Cause I don't know how many are in the top 10, she could actually play. And if they're saying Petra is 1-11 vs lefthanders, then that's just silly. Cause we all know she's defeated Lepchenko twice, Makarova, Kerber, and others, just for starters. So I don't know who their stat man is.

Petra is now 1-12 vs. lefty handed opponent that was in top 100 at the time of the match.
the one win came against Angie. irony ;)

Aside from Safarova, how many lefties are consistently in top 100?
maybe she lost to Patty Schnyder few times before she retired?

TennisAddict84
Aug 19th, 2012, 04:59 AM
Worst match that Petra played in this US Open series, besides Pervak (which was understandable).

I mean between Kerber's awful serving, and Petra's inconsistent serving and ROS all match, I'm just drained. And I'm just glad it's over.

I don't know if Petra was tired, flat, it was too late, she had played enough, or what ever, it was just a terrible semi-final/ESPN Broadcast match for her. SMH

I'm to tired to mention what I saw that Petra coulda, woulda, should done and all that. I need to go to bed. :lol:

And as far as that ESPN stat with Petra and left handers (1-11 vs top 10); I never heard of that one. Cause I don't know how many are in the top 10, Petra could actually play. And if they're saying Petra is 1-11 vs lefthanders, then that's just silly. Cause we all know she's defeated Lepchenko twice, Makarova, Kerber, and others, just for starters. So I don't know who their stat man is, but they need to fire him.

But I don't know if I should be disappointed or relieved for Petra. She had the chance to win the US Open series, be in another final and title (against an opponent that's eminently beatable). Now she's 1-5 in semifinals this year. That's just awful.

And unless she's truly tired, what's a loss like this going to do to her confidence (or maybe it will help knowing she was off)?

I have nothing else to say.

Goodnight!!

TBH, pretty disappointed. The match was completely on Petra's racquet and she was just spraying balls. Idk why she wasn't more patient in this match. It's not like she hasn't played Kerber before--she knows that Kerber's gonna get a lot of balls back deep in the court. Tonight's match almost looked like Petra took two steps back from all the progress she made last week.

cosmoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:09 AM
I'm not too bothered by tonight's loss.
Kerber is legit. She is for real.
Everyone keeps disrepecting her and all she does is win, win and win

As for Petra, her forehand errors cost her today.
I hate to say it but is it time she starts putting some top spin on her forehand strokes?
Right now, it's too unreliable.

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:12 AM
Petra is now 1-12 vs. lefty handed opponent that was in top 100 at the time of the match.
the one win came against Angie. irony ;)

Aside from Safarova, how many lefties are consistently in top 100?
maybe she lost to Patty Schnyder few times before she retired?

I don't believe that. And you should know better Cosmoose.

How is that possible, when Petra has beaten Makarova, Lepchecko twice, Kerber, and I'm sure others I don't even remember their name?

Lepchenko was ranked in the top 50 when Petra beat her at the French Open this. Remember she made the Olympics?

That stat is garbage, and totally wrong.

By memory, Petra has had no problems with lefties in her career.

cosmoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:24 AM
I don't believe that. And you should know better Cosmoose.

How is that possible, when Petra has beaten Makarova, Lepchecko twice, Kerber, and I'm sure others I don't even remember their name?

Lepchenko was ranked in the top 50 when Petra beat her at the French Open this. Remember she made the Olympics?

That stat is garbage, and totally wrong.

By memory, Petra has had no problems with lefties in her career.

Quick check on head to head vs lefties
1-1 against Patty Schnyder
3-1 against Iveta Benesova
3-1 against MJMS
1-2 against Kerber
never played against Safarova!? is that right?

OK, so that stat was garbage :mad:, just like most ESPN tennis coverage! lol.

ESPN also said Kerber was 18-1 in 3 setters....now i'm beginning to wonder...

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:24 AM
TBH, pretty disappointed. The match was completely on Petra's racquet and she was just spraying balls. Idk why she wasn't more patient in this match. It's not like she hasn't played Kerber before--she knows that Kerber's gonna get a lot of balls back deep in the court. Tonight's match almost looked like Petra took two steps back from all the progress she made last week.

Yeah, which is why I said something similar in my earlier post mortem, I mean match comments.

Kerber was eminently beatable tonight. And like you, I can't understand why Petra was so impatient. 0-7 in Break Points during the first set (including some from the first service game). Wrap that around your brain?

Doesn't she remember the Wozniaki match in Montreal? All she had to do was play Kerber like the last two sets (and yes I know Kerber is playing better than Wozniaki right now, and hits the ball a little better).

All Petra had to do was hit deep into the corners, than come to the net to finish off the points (which she did some in the third set). Yeah Kerber was going to hit a few for winners. But she was also going to hit a lot more errors, rushed shots, and balls right into Petra's racket for a volley. Kerber may hit well on the run, but has very limited power to consistently hurt you like that on deep groundies.

It's like Petra just totally lost the plot tonight. SMH

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:27 AM
Quick check on head to head vs lefties
1-1 against Patty Schnyder
3-1 against Iveta Benesova
3-1 against MJMS
1-2 against Kerber
never played against Safarova!? is that right?

OK, so that stat was garbage :mad:, just like most ESPN tennis coverage! lol.

ESPN also said Kerber was 18-1 in 3 setters....now i'm beginning to wonder...

Don't know about Safie. However, ESPN is now going to have all the Petra haters running around saying "you know, that Petra Kvitova, can't beat left handers, right?" :lol:

Watch! :tape:

They totally botched up that stat boy.

cosmoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:29 AM
Yeah, which is why I said something similar in my earlier post mortem, I mean match comments.

Kerber was eminently beatable tonight. And like you, I can't understand why Petra was so impatient. 0-7 in Break Points during the first set (including some from the first service game). Wrap that around your brain?

Doesn't she remember the Wozniaki match in Montreal? All she had to do was play Kerber like the last two sets (and yes I know Kerber is playing better than Wozniaki right now, and hits the ball a little better).

All Petra had to do was hit deep into the corners, than come to the net to finish off the points (which she did some in the third set). Yeah Kerber was going to hit a few for winners. But she was also going to hit a lot more errors, rushed shots, and balls right into Petra's racket for a volley. Kerber may hit well on the run, but has very limited power to consistently hurt you like that on deep groundies.

It's like Petra just totally lost the plot tonight. SMH

This is Petra's weakness tho. She can't consistently hit 3/4 pace shots to set up her winning shot.
Even when she had the open court, she was hitting full out and making errors.

cosmoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:31 AM
Don't know about Safie. However, ESPN is now going to have all the Petra haters running around saying "you know, that Petra Kvitova, can't beat left handers, right?" :lol:

Watch! :tape:

They totally botched up that stat boy.

ESPN tennis sucks donkey balls.
Even tonight, they somehow tried to bring up Sharapova into conversation! :lol:
God, they are so in love with her! :help:

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:35 AM
This is Petra's weakness tho. She can't consistently hit 3/4 pace shots to set up her winning shot.
Even when she had the open court, she was hitting full out and making errors.


Yeah, but in all fairness to Petra, you have to admit, this was the wildest Petra has consistently hit the ball through out a match on this recent NA Hardcourt run she's been on.

I hadn't seen Petra this sloppy in the last set of any of these matches, except the Pervak one.

And the irony is, in today's match she had many opportunities, after she had already hit the deep ball deep, to go to the net to finish it off, and didn't. That's whats so funny.

But it's the same Ole story. Petra misses out on the opportunity to move forward, or she waits to long to close out, and botches up the volley. It's that lack of clear thinking Kotyza mentioned on ESPN.

Now in fairness, Petra probably won a bushel load of net points today. But they should of been a lot more. And like I said, the points were already there, off of the shots that she had hit, that she didn't follow up, which eventually cost her an error in the protracted rallies.

It was a lack of clear thinking and anticipation.

mac47
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:40 AM
Hey she's playing well the last two weeks. Let's hope for some progress at USO.

I'm not gonna dwell on this loss. Not too significant in the grand scheme of things. She's young, has time to mature.

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:45 AM
Hey she's playing well the last two weeks. Let's hope for some progress at USO.

I'm not gonna dwell on this loss. Not too significant in the grand scheme of things. She's young, has time to mature.

Barring a catastrophe, I'm sure she'll play well at the US Open.

I'm not worried about that.

Remember, she made 4th rd in 20009, beating Safina. And lost to the eventual Champion Clijsters in the third rd in 2010. And last year, had her post slam hang over.

I don't know how to feel about this loss either (cause I had to stay up so damn late to watch this match). But when you look at how Petra had been closing out matches recently, this was certainly disappointing and different.

And to make matters worse, Kerber was eminently beatable. And was just begging to be beaten, and Petra kept fumbling the tennis ball.

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:50 AM
I'm almost felt Petra's attitude last night was, "It's late, and I want to get out of here soon".

SMH/LOL

TennisAddict84
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:08 AM
ugh...it's just so frustrating to watch Petra play like this...these are exactly the kind of matches she needs to win to mature/progress in her career...and that's why it's always gonna be hard for Petra to win against Sharapova & Serena who are just far too consistent and mentally tough for her :facepalm:

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:15 AM
ugh...it's just so frustrating to watch Petra play like this...these are exactly the kind of matches she needs to win to mature/progress in her career...and that's why it's always gonna be hard for Petra to win against Sharapova & Serena who are just far too consistent and mentally tough for her :facepalm:

Yeah, but she been showing a lot of mental toughness in the NA swing, winning these games matches. What happened?

And to be fair to Petra, Serena's not always very consistent herself (though she was when she played Petra and Vika at Wimbledon). :lol:

It's almost like Petra took one step back from the recent progress she made the past few weeks.

And wouldn't she had liked to be 2X Winner, finalist, US Open series leader, etc, from these various events?

TennisAddict84
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:31 AM
Yeah, but she been showing a lot of mental toughness in the NA swing, winning these games matches. What happened?

And to be fair to Petra, Serena's not always very consistent herself (though she was when she played Petra and Vika at Wimbledon). :lol:

It's almost like Petra took one step back from the recent progress she made the past few weeks.

And wouldn't she had liked to be 2X Winner, finalist, US Open series leader, etc, from these various events?

Yeah...again, idk if it was because of the humidity or what, but to me, Petra's fighting spirit/focus wasn't as high as her previous matches

At 5-4 in the 3rd set, Petra still could've broken back, but made all these careless UEs :facepalm:

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:37 AM
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Petra_Kvitova (https://twitter.com/intent/user?screen_name=Petra_Kvitova) Good to have you back coach :) pic.twitter.com/JgOEfczu (http://t.co/JgOEfczu)

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Yeah, as usual, his presence really helped! Woo hoo! :rolleyes:

All that great advice about limiting UEs really sank in .....

bruce goose
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:37 AM
Yeah, but she been showing a lot of mental toughness in the NA swing, winning these games matches. What happened?

And to be fair to Petra, Serena's not always very consistent herself (though she was when she played Petra and Vika at Wimbledon). :lol:

It's almost like Petra took one step back from the recent progress she made the past few weeks.

And wouldn't she had liked to be 2X Winner, finalist, US Open series leader, etc, from these various events?Guys,all this 'taking steps back' is just a lame,overused cliche' here: Taking steps back applies more to psychologically weak players who start to build their confidence and then collapse due to self-doubt in a big match.Are you guys saying that Petra suddenly,mysteriously lost belief in herself to defeat Kerber---or that she'll now be a basket case at the USO due to this loss?(That's pretty hard to fathom)

This is NOT a case of 'taking steps back',IMO,but a far simpler instance of failing to produce the same level of execution,for whatever reason.Is Serena now a bigger underdog after her sub-standard match vs. Kerber?Petra didn't even play well for long stretches and STILL took a scrappy,rising Top 10 player to 6-4 in the 3rd.If anything,she realizes even more how she could dominate this matchup if she DID play well

Two big questions:
1.Am I wrong,and IS Petra demoralized by this loss?
2.Is she injured in ANY way

If the answer to both questions is 'no',then we've made it thru this 2 weeks of nasty Smogland with a Premier title followed by a SF.Fairly good prep,and let's not forget that she lost the tune-up final right before her LAST major Slam win(YEC being a semi-slam;)).Now we can move on to the THIRD question,which is: Should she try to go 5 straight weeks w/o rest(counting the USO's 2 weeks),or should she politely w/d from NH....but we can debate that more tomorrow:lol::wavey:

bruce goose
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:44 AM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo im dying on that pic :sobbing: :haha:Moose just dreams about having either the machismo or physical prowess to produce such a reaction;)

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:49 AM
ugh...it's just so frustrating to watch Petra play like this...these are exactly the kind of matches she needs to win to mature/progress in her career...and that's why it's always gonna be hard for Petra to win against Sharapova & Serena who are just far too consistent and mentally tough for her :facepalm:


It really pisses me off when bad/dumb Petra shows up. How many great victories has she given away? :fiery:

Could you imagine her career stats to this point if she could consistently keep her UEs to a normal level?

All in all though, we should still be pleased with her recent improvements and her victory in Montreal. Heading towards The US Open it really looks like she might be a factor this time. We'll see.....

PS: As usual, Kotyza's presence and guidance was invaluable.....:rolleyes:
He should've stayed away and let Petra finish what she started.

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 19th, 2012, 07:31 AM
Guys,all this 'taking steps back' is just a lame,overused cliche' here: Taking steps back applies more to psychologically weak players who start to build their confidence and then collapse due to self-doubt in a big match.Are you guys saying that Petra suddenly,mysteriously lost belief in herself to defeat Kerber---or that she'll now be a basket case at the USO due to this loss?(That's pretty hard to fathom)

This is NOT a case of 'taking steps back',IMO,but a far simpler instance of failing to produce the same level of execution,for whatever reason.Is Serena now a bigger underdog after her sub-standard match vs. Kerber?Petra didn't even play well for long stretches and STILL took a scrappy,rising Top 10 player to 6-4 in the 3rd.If anything,she realizes even more how she could dominate this matchup if she DID play well

Two big questions:
1.Am I wrong,and IS Petra demoralized by this loss?
2.Is she injured in ANY way

If the answer to both questions is 'no',then we've made it thru this 2 weeks of nasty Smogland with a Premier title followed by a SF.Fairly good prep,and let's not forget that she lost the tune-up final right before her LAST major Slam win(YEC being a semi-slam;)).Now we can move on to the THIRD question,which is: Should she try to go 5 straight weeks w/o rest(counting the USO's 2 weeks),or should she politely w/d from NH....but we can debate that more tomorrow:lol::wavey:


Compared to last year's NA swing this one has been like a dream. Petra and team should be feeling pretty pumped up about her chances in The Big Apple in spite of yesterday's pratfall. There's no reason not to if she's feeling healthy.

You raise a good question BG. To play or not to play in NH? I vote for going to NH and getting more games under her belt and sharpening her recently improved form. Some might claim it might make her too tired before the big dance, but I counter that she's only 22 and should be able to handle it. If not, for that age, then she's really seriously deficient in the conditioning department. Furthermore, I would like to see her arriving in NY with more scalps under her belt, quite possibly a new title also, and brimming with confidence to get off to a great start not an early exit. Like I've always felt, playing is the best practice.


:worship: Queen Petra will not be rotten to the core this time in The Big Apple. :worship:

TennisAddict84
Aug 19th, 2012, 08:42 AM
It really pisses me off when bad/dumb Petra shows up. How many great victories has she given away? :fiery:

Could you imagine her career stats to this point if she could consistently keep her UEs to a normal level?

All in all though, we should still be pleased with her recent improvements and her victory in Montreal. Heading towards The US Open it really looks like she might be a factor this time. We'll see.....

PS: As usual, Kotyza's presence and guidance was invaluable.....:rolleyes:
He should've stayed away and let Petra finish what she started.

Yeah, it's just soo frustrating knowing what she's capable of. Ultimately, I think it really was a combination of the humidity & Kerber getting EVERYTHING back deep in the court that frustrated Petra, leading to her self imploding w/ UEs as an effort to end points quickly.

She's gonna have to somehow learn to be more patient and not rush her shots in these kind of matches if she wants to do well at USO.

Mynarco
Aug 19th, 2012, 10:10 AM
:shrug: Onwards. Just withdraw from NH

ArcticMoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 10:16 AM
It really pisses me off when bad/dumb Petra shows up. How many great victories has she given away? :fiery:

Could you imagine her career stats to this point if she could consistently keep her UEs to a normal level?

All in all though, we should still be pleased with her recent improvements and her victory in Montreal. Heading towards The US Open it really looks like she might be a factor this time. We'll see.....

PS: As usual, Kotyza's presence and guidance was invaluable.....:rolleyes:
He should've stayed away and let Petra finish what she started.

:mad:Yup, leaving a aside how I feel about Kotyza to be objective here: Out of the 8 titles Kvitty has won, she has won at least 3 when she has been on her own (without her coach ~40% ) - i.e. having to look introspectively within her for the answers to overcome any challanges she faced on court & take the title.

:devil:I just don't understand why Kotyza could not stay away for two more tourneys (Cincy & NH) & let Petra be on her own to finish what she started just as QPF too says ... I believe she digs down even deeper when she is on her own - almost like she is on a mission to prove that she can survive on her own...

ArcticMoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 10:24 AM
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Compared to last year's NA swing this one has been like a dream. Petra and team should be feeling pretty pumped up about her chances in The Big Apple in spite of yesterday's pratfall. There's no reason not to if she's feeling healthy.

You raise a good question BG. To play or not to play in NH? I vote for going to NH and getting more games under her belt and sharpening her recently improved form. Some might claim it might make her too tired before the big dance, but I counter that she's only 22 and should be able to handle it. If not, for that age, then she's really seriously deficient in the conditioning department. Furthermore, I would like to see her arriving in NY with more scalps under her belt, quite possibly a new title also, and brimming with confidence to get off to a great start not an early exit. Like I've always felt, playing is the best practice.


:worship: Queen Petra will not be rotten to the core this time in The Big Apple. :worship:

I am of the same opinion that she should play NH (bg thought I was bonkers for posting the same opinion in my previous post)... for exactly the same reasons & also she requested a WC and was granted it - now to throw it in the face of the tournament director will be rude & inconsiderate - it is not like Petra to behave like a diva, so hope she does the right thing!

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 19th, 2012, 10:32 AM
I just hope Petra withdraws dfrom NH and play well in USO. I don't mind she lost in Cincy since she already reached beyoond my expectation on American hardcourts this year.:worship:

ArcticMoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 10:34 AM
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The stats say it all - Petra should have won this match if not for her lack of clear thinking/brain farts .... she has shown throughout the 2012 USO series that she has the hunger to fight and shown her hitherto infrequently seen defensive skills/play & agressive counterpunching ability ... so eventhough they are positives to take away, they were alas sadly absent from last night's debacle against Kerber...

Martina CZ
Aug 19th, 2012, 11:05 AM
I wouln't take this loss too seriously.
Did any of you have been kind of mentally tired from string of matches, this one playing late night and with possibility to have to play hard match again the next day wit less then 20 hours of rest?
That can be the reason, subconsciously you feel you need more rest and you have to play again... Then you don't fight as you can and that is how it seems to me.
NH - it's on Petra's feelings, she has to know, if she needs more rest (more mental that physical) or if she will be ready to fight ;)

Yukon62
Aug 19th, 2012, 01:24 PM
Petra played on a high level last night against Angie, but she couldn't handle the high humidity. She is in top form and if the weather conditions in NY will be better for her, she will have to be beaten to get the title!

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 02:43 PM
If Petra would of lost in a slug or crapfest in the final to Li Na, I would of been OK with that (though it would of blemished her sterling 8/10 finals record).

But at least Petra would of made it to the finals and I could say she was tired.

But to lose this type of match, to this type of opponent, in the semi-final on ESPN, on the cusp of making the final and winning the US Open series, just makes you feel like eating a meal, that didn't satisfy you. It's like okay, "next!!"

I'm not mad. I'm not upset. I don't even know if I'm disappointed.

I just know the match was tantalizingly in Petra's hands through out (you always felt she could break Kerber or serve through her). And Petra just kept making progress, then dropping the ball right down to the last point of the match.

There was no excuse for her to lose to Kerber,especially the way she played against the German in Stuttgart and injured on the clay in Rome. So how could Kotyza say Petra was confused and with out clear thought to play her? :shrug:

Petra also had similar problems against Wozniaki in Montreal and dusted her off. She also had to play another highly inconsistent server (that serves better than Kerber, mind you), in Pav's, and Petra bided her time and settled down to win those matches.

But then she throws away this, when she was totally in it through out, on the heels of winning those other matches, and it makes you shake your head.

Go figure!

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 02:58 PM
Guys,all this 'taking steps back' is just a lame,overused cliche' here: Taking steps back applies more to psychologically weak players who start to build their confidence and then collapse due to self-doubt in a big match.Are you guys saying that Petra suddenly,mysteriously lost belief in herself to defeat Kerber---or that she'll now be a basket case at the USO due to this loss?(That's pretty hard to fathom)

This is NOT a case of 'taking steps back',IMO,but a far simpler instance of failing to produce the same level of execution,for whatever reason.Is Serena now a bigger underdog after her sub-standard match vs. Kerber?Petra didn't even play well for long stretches and STILL took a scrappy,rising Top 10 player to 6-4 in the 3rd.If anything,she realizes even more how she could dominate this matchup if she DID play well

Two big questions:
1.Am I wrong,and IS Petra demoralized by this loss?
2.Is she injured in ANY way

If the answer to both questions is 'no',then we've made it thru this 2 weeks of nasty Smogland with a Premier title followed by a SF.Fairly good prep,and let's not forget that she lost the tune-up final right before her LAST major Slam win(YEC being a semi-slam;)).Now we can move on to the THIRD question,which is: Should she try to go 5 straight weeks w/o rest(counting the USO's 2 weeks),or should she politely w/d from NH....but we can debate that more tomorrow:lol::wavey:

I don't know the answer to both questions Bruce, but my guess would be NO TO BOTH. So you're probably right in those respects.

But I guess we're all being selfish (me included), and would of expected and liked to see Petra play at least in the finals, after "executing" (like you said), in so many other similar circumstances during this NA stretch.

And you do realize for Petra not to "execute" in this match, means that Petra would of blown numerous opportunities, as Petra had a kazillion ROS, net shots, open court, and winner opportunities?

And you could see that Kerber was visibly scared and losing her confidence in that second and third set, but Petra didn't even use that to her advantage, by being more impatient more often.

Yes, she made another run at the end, but it wasn't good enough, and certainly could of been better.

Oh well.

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 03:08 PM
:mad:Yup, leaving a aside how I feel about Kotyza to be objective here: Out of the 8 titles Kvitty has won, she has won at least 3 when she has been on her own (without her coach ~40% ) - i.e. having to look introspectively within her for the answers to overcome any challanges she faced on court & take the title.

:devil:I just don't understand why Kotyza could not stay away for two more tourneys (Cincy & NH) & let Petra be on her own to finish what she started just as QPF too says ... I believe she digs down even deeper when she is on her own - almost like she is on a mission to prove that she can survive on her own...

Well, I can agree with you on a little here Moose.

It appears, Petra may figure things out on her own during matches, than have to rely on the crutch of a coaches pre or active match instructions and advice, which may confuse her, if what she notices on the court is different. I don't know. :oh:

But this match certainly wasn't like the others in the series, where Petra came from behind, then stayed, got caught again (Li Na first set, Barthel third set), only to come back and win.

Petra got the break to end the second set, held, then uncharacteristically got broken in her 2nd service game in the third set, and allowed Kerber to get the lead again.

Now in fairness to Petra, she probably felt after all those comebacks, that she would once again find a way to win against Kerber (which speaks for her sloppy, impatient play). That's confidence. So maybe she doesn't feel as bad as we think (as long as she can wipe out the memory of this monstrosity from her mind) heading into NYC.

And hopefully she will carry this confidence into NY, and learn from her mistakes. But damn Woman, you could of had your 9th title, in 11 attempts! :rolleyes: :eek: :rolleyes:

pov
Aug 19th, 2012, 03:15 PM
Taking steps back applies more to psychologically weak players who start to build their confidence and then collapse due to self-doubt in a big match.A

"Taking steps back" can be applied to any area:- mental, physical, strokes, strategy, tactics, etc.

pov
Aug 19th, 2012, 03:19 PM
My take is that she's made a switcheroo this season. She's playing better on US hard-courts ( than she has before which is great :yeah: ) and played worse on grass. Who knows, maybe next season she'll bring it all together.

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 03:20 PM
The stats say it all - Petra should have won this match if not for her lack of clear thinking/brain farts .... [B]she has shown throughout the 2012 USO series that she has the hunger to fight and shown her hitherto infrequently seen defensive skills/play & agressive counterpunching ability ... so eventhough they are positives to take away, they were alas sadly absent from last night's debacle against Kerber...[

You got it Moose.

We and the ESPN viewers and broadcasters, sadly weren't able to see any of Petra great defensive, rallying and counter punching/defense to offense skills she was showing against Wozniaki, Li Na, and Barthel, cause Petra wasn't allowing herself to get into any rhythm, nor had her head into the match.

Petra was just teeing off from the start of the match, and lost all rhythm on her serve, ROS and ground game for the entire match. She had none of any of those last night, really.

This could of been 3 levels down from the worst of her previous NA matches, except for Pervak.

Agreed.

cosmoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 03:32 PM
Still no word of withdrawal from New Haven?
I guess she has decided to save tennis and snatch New Haven title from the clutches of Woz.
Commendable! :)

pov
Aug 19th, 2012, 03:51 PM
Petra played on a high level last night against Angie,
Hmmmm . . . . my knee-jerk response was to argue. But . .at times she did play on a high level. Some of the longer rallies were exquisite. Overall though with 56 UEs I'd have to say that her level was very up and down. And down on many of the critical points. As for the humidity, I saw no evidence that her asthma was acting up. She wasn't moving slowly, here breathing wasn't labored . .

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 03:51 PM
To QFP, Moose, etc.

I'm going to throw out another tidbit, regarding Kotyza's much discussed presence.

Sometimes you wonder if/when Petra wins tournaments when Kotyza's ABSENT, she just goes out and executes. And when she loses tournaments when he's PRESENT, if it's because the focus is always on PROCESS, and not winning titles, being number one, winning the US Open series, etc.?

It would of been nice to see Petra in the lead of the US Open series entering NY. But when asked before the match, Petra didn't really seem that interested. She also politely chastised the media for saying "you guys wanted me number one". Hmmmmh.

Now I'm not saying that Petra didn't want to win last night. I feel she did. And I also understand the benefits of setting goals to get better, instead of just accumulating titles, at the risk of your health and development. I get all that as well.

But sometimes in a match like last night, you wonder if PETRA JUST PLAYED TO WIN (or not lose out on that US Open series lead-and/or if it meant something to her), she would of played with more clear thought, heart and purpose? "F" The process!

What I'm trying to say is, instead of focusing on your backhand, serve, ROS, etc., and why it's not working. If/when you play to win, you'll break the game down to it's basics, instead being frustrated/worrying about the process, that match.

You know it's like saying "I gotta get this serve in", instead of, why isn't my serve working?" And another way is, "Hey I just gotta win today", I don't care if it's not pretty, etc.

And overall/in the long run, I think, aiming for titles-#1,etc., demands a certain amount of excellence from (which we know Petra already has the skills within her) from yourself, instead of always telling yourself "I'll get better" and work on it in the future.

Just a thought. :shrug:

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 04:00 PM
Hmmmm . . . . my knee-jerk response was to argue. But . .at times she did play on a high level. Some of the longer rallies were exquisite. Overall though with 56 UEs I'd have to say that her level was very up and down. And down on many of the critical points. As for the humidity, I saw no evidence that her asthma was acting up. She wasn't moving slowly, here breathing wasn't labored . .

Not sure about any asthma either last night, though I guess the speculation would be, she played her points fast, cause she wanted to get off the court. Don't know.

ESPN (not that you can believe them for anything after their crazy "Petra vs Lefties" idiocy last night), claimed she has a new inhaler, that works better in NA.

I don't think she played great either, cause we seen her in similar circumstances recently (Li Na, Wozniaki, Barthel, etc.), and she raised her level of play, when she needed to and won.

Petra blew to many key opportunities, and wasn't executing well, consistently, or when she had to enough, to be considered playing well in this match.

Plus, Kerber is a top 10 player (for now), and she played good defense, yes. But there's no excuse if you execute properly, to lose to a player with that awful of a serve and ROS, who lacks power as Kerber.

If Petra would of served against Kerber, the way she did against Pav's, we wouldn't be having this conversation, even (and so on and so forth with her net play and ROS against other opponents in N. America up until last night). And remember Petra was teeing off on Pav's serves, and blowing most of those opportunities as well. But Petra served well enough herself, that when she finally got the break she needed, she could cash in. Not so last night. Cause Petra's serve, as well as other aspects of her game, left something to be desired.

bruce goose
Aug 19th, 2012, 04:47 PM
"Taking steps back" can be applied to any area:- mental, physical, strokes, strategy, tactics, etc.I typed "applies MORE",not 'applies only',so your amateurish pretense at linguistics expertise was unnecessary:lol:.Of course,Petra could walk into a room,see a few scorpions on the floor,and physically 'take some steps back' and leave the room.....but,usually,in a sports context,this idiom refers to thwarting one's progress due to bad decision-making or regressing,often mentally/psychology,to a previous,lesser status......since no one seems to feel that the former was a major issue in Cincy,it was natural that we meant the latter......It's basic,deductive reasoning,the sort that's completely missing in much of humanist education OR the intense therapy classes at the Patricia Ireland-Hilary Clinton Center for bitter,neurotic gringas

bruce goose
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:11 PM
I am of the same opinion that she should play NH (bg thought I was bonkers for posting the same opinion in my previous post)... for exactly the same reasons & also she requested a WC and was granted it - now to throw it in the face of the tournament director will be rude & inconsiderate - it is not like Petra to behave like a diva, so hope she does the right thing!Moose,I'll keep this short so that you can go back to beating your tiny little wee-wee at Caro's pretty pictures some more:lol::

If Petra played NH,that would mean FIVE CONSECUTIVE WEEKS of tennis if she made the 2nd week at the USO...which is ultimately where we want her to finish,right?Serena looked tired in Cincy--and she didn't even play the week prior in Montreal...nor did she play for SEVERAL weeks prior to the OG.It wouldn't be one bit rude if Petra candidly told NH that she needed to rest up for the USO to avoid fatigue.'Rude' would be showing up and getting double-bageled in 40 minutes while cheating the ticket-paying fans...or concocting some absurd excuse like taking her lemur for vaccinations so that he could make it thru Customs.It's not like NH did her some huge favor as they WANT high-ranked gals to come there and strengthen their draw,and Petra could admit that she didn't expect to play so much tennis in the lead-up.

.....But I'll tell you what: IF Petra plays and goes deep in NH...and then plays well at the USO,too,then I'll give you the profound apology you were looking for from 'Vikapower',fair enough??:angel:

bruce goose
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:27 PM
I don't know the answer to both questions Bruce, but my guess would be NO TO BOTH. So you're probably right in those respects.

But I guess we're all being selfish (me included), and would of expected and liked to see Petra play at least in the finals, after "executing" (like you said), in so many other similar circumstances during this NA stretch.

And you do realize for Petra not to "execute" in this match, means that Petra would of blown numerous opportunities, as Petra had a kazillion ROS, net shots, open court, and winner opportunities?

And you could see that Kerber was visibly scared and losing her confidence in that second and third set, but Petra didn't even use that to her advantage, by being more impatient more often.

Yes, she made another run at the end, but it wasn't good enough, and certainly could of been better.

Oh well.Well,I can't blame you for feeling frustrated(though you sort of denied it earlier:p),and I share in that to SOME degree.Also,if Petra ever gets too content with losses,it'll be a grave forecast for her status as an elite player.For us,as fans,it'll probably mean that Petra,likely somewhere in her mid-to-late 20s at that point,is ready to retire,get married and have kids....but we won't pressure her to rush that:lol:

However,part of me is GLAD that she'll be playing slightly less tennis and getting more rest.If she had lost her semi to Serena,6-2 6-1,THAT would be different cuz we might be talking about negative psychological seeds getting planted by such a loss.Our realistic goal,though,wasn't to see Petra win every last USO tune-up---it was that she found some rhythm and the needed confidence to compete on the biggest US HC in NYC.Many of us,and I suspect YOU as well,feel that Petra has accomplished that....it's no rock-solid guarantee of a great USO,yet I'd put Petra:hearts: in much better standing than even most other Top 16 seeds there..............since we have a 'day off',I'm going car shopping:wavey:....mind you,aye DIDN'T say 'stolen car shopping':p

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 05:53 PM
Well,I can't blame you for feeling frustrated(though you sort of denied it earlier:p),and I share in that to SOME degree.Also,if Petra ever gets too content with losses,it'll be a grave forecast for her status as an elite player.For us,as fans,it'll probably mean that Petra,likely somewhere in her mid-to-late 20s at that point,is ready to retire,get married and have kids....but we won't pressure her to rush that:lol:

However,part of me is GLAD that she'll be playing slightly less tennis and getting more rest.If she had lost her semi to Serena,6-2 6-1,THAT would be different cuz we might be talking about negative psychological seeds getting planted by such a loss.Our realistic goal,though,wasn't to see Petra win every last USO tune-up---it was that she found some rhythm and the needed confidence to compete on the biggest US HC in NYC.Many of us,and I suspect YOU as well,feel that Petra has accomplished that....it's no rock-solid guarantee of a great USO,yet I'd put Petra:hearts: in much better standing than even most other Top 16 seeds there..............since we have a 'day off',I'm going car shopping:wavey:....mind you,aye DIDN'T say 'stolen car shopping':p

To be honest; I'm equally dissapointed that Petra couldn't carry me through another weekend of sports and good feeling (if she had won), up until the US Open and start of the football season. :lol:

There's really nothing else in sports currently, that I'm remotely interested in watching until next weekend (a good preseason NFL game). :sad::sad:

Oh well.

TennisAddict84
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:13 PM
Well, I can agree with you on a little here Moose.

It appears, Petra may figure things out on her own during matches, than have to rely on the crutch of a coaches pre or active match instructions and advice, which may confuse her, if what she notices on the court is different. I don't know. :oh:

But this match certainly wasn't like the others in the series, where Petra came from behind, then stayed, got caught again (Li Na first set, Barthel third set), only to come back and win.

Petra got the break to end the second set, held, then uncharacteristically got broken in her 2nd service game in the third set, and allowed Kerber to get the lead again.

Now in fairness to Petra, she probably felt after all those comebacks, that she would once again find a way to win against Kerber (which speaks for her sloppy, impatient play). That's confidence. So maybe she doesn't feel as bad as we think (as long as she can wipe out the memory of this monstrosity from her mind) heading into NYC.

And hopefully she will carry this confidence into NY, and learn from her mistakes. But damn Woman, you could of had your 9th title, in 11 attempts! :rolleyes: :eek: :rolleyes:

Yep, and that's why I'm just sooo disappointed. If she got to the finals, she really would've had a good chance at beating Li again.

I mean, it's one thing if she was getting outplayed in the match by Kerber, but Kerber was just holding steady and waiting for Petra to make the UE. Granted, Kerber plays amazing defense, makes few UEs, and just gets the ball in consistently deep, not allowing Petra to go for a winner after 2-3 shots, BUT if Petra would've just been more patient and thoughtful... it's like MAKE Kerber hit a winner against you to get the point

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:26 PM
:mad:Yup, leaving a aside how I feel about Kotyza to be objective here: Out of the 8 titles Kvitty has won, she has won at least 3 when she has been on her own (without her coach ~40% ) - i.e. having to look introspectively within her for the answers to overcome any challanges she faced on court & take the title.

:devil:I just don't understand why Kotyza could not stay away for two more tourneys (Cincy & NH) & let Petra be on her own to finish what she started just as QPF too says ... I believe she digs down even deeper when she is on her own - almost like she is on a mission to prove that she can survive on her own...


The results prove it. She thinks clearer and digs deeper when she's in the fight alone. Kotyza should have let her finish this one. :(

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:29 PM
Yep, and that's why I'm just sooo disappointed. If she got to the finals, she really would've had a good chance at beating Li again.

I mean, it's one thing if she was getting outplayed in the match by Kerber, but Kerber was just holding steady and waiting for Petra to make the UE. Granted, Kerber plays amazing defense, makes few UEs, and just gets the ball in consistently deep, not allowing Petra to go for a winner after 2-3 shots, BUT if Petra would've just been more patient and thoughtful... it's like MAKE Kerber hit a winner against you to get the point

At the moment, Kerber is just a chunkier Wozniaki, with flatter ground strokes, and a worse serve.

Ironically, though Kerber's certainly a competitor, she's not even as mentally strong as Caro, and can look defeated or scared when things don't go her way (or when the opponent starts to hit her off the court), as was the case last night.

It just appeared to me that Petra had no respect for Kerbers serve and ground strokes, and just kept rushing every thing again and again (maybe Petra got a little slap happy, cause she had the same approach with Pav's serving last night, and eventually won). Then when you throw in Kerbers defense and floaty, but deep returning (mind you, this is when Petra should of came in), and Petra felt even more rushed.

That slap happy approach, would of even been fine if she served consistently. But Petra didn't.

She got broken too often. But I guess she felt deep inside she could always break Kerber back. And yes it seemed that way, but Petra kept flubbing her opportunities over and over again.

Like I said, especially compared to her other matches, it's like Petra lost the plot. :help:

TennisAddict84
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:34 PM
I was gonna post this on the "News" thread, but I think it would be more relevant here since we've been discussing it:

http://assets.usta.com/assets/663/15/P._Kvitova_-_08.18.12.pdf

looks like Petra has echoed our sentiments and even sounds pissed off (by her standards) that she didn't win--which I think is great and reinforces the fire in her belly

:lol: at some of Petra's comments, "I think that if she will not as crazy as me today, she can win"

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:49 PM
Still no word of withdrawal from New Haven?
I guess she has decided to save tennis and snatch New Haven title from the clutches of Woz.
Commendable! :)


I hope she doesn't withdraw From NH for the reason Moose stated earlier (bad tennis etiquette and professionalism) and because she needs to knock that silly "I just can't play in North America" BS out of her head forever.

GO TO NH AND WIN BABY!!! I too have asthma and I played basketball in steamy gyms for years with it and I still managed to come away with a few trophies. So, I don't want to hear any crying about asthma or humidity. Nothing is more humid than a basketball gym during a tournament accept for a freaking sauna. So, take a big hit on your puffer and get out there and rock n' roll Petra!!!! No excuses and no whimpering allowed! :bounce:

:worship: Queen Petra is heading to NH to scalp some pushers!!! More win Baby!!! :worship:

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:51 PM
I was gonna post this on the "News" thread, but I think it would be more relevant here since we've been discussing it:

http://assets.usta.com/assets/663/15/P._Kvitova_-_08.18.12.pdf

looks like Petra has echoed our sentiments and even sounds pissed off (by her standards) that she didn't win--which I think is great and reinforces the fire in her belly

:lol: at some of Petra's comments, "I think that if she will not as crazy as me today, she can win"

So she said that she was tired a bit, and didn't think "it was nice to be out so late". OK. Not surprised about that. Her lack of extended rallying, compared to her previous matches indicated that.

Now Petra regrets that she lost, especially when her opponent was so beatable. Mmmhh. Not surprised about that either.

And I can tell, she really wanted to play Ni La in that final (as she had told Li Na, after she won Montreal).

I was really looking forward to and preferred another Li Na match. That would of been good tennis. I had looked forward to the challenge, even if Petra lost.

We're either going to see a wipe out today or a shit fest. :tape:

PS: Since Petra said she had watched some of the Ni La, Venus match, I have a question and suggestion. Does she ever watch Federer play? I know she did as a youth. But what about now?

I feel if Petra actually watched Federer play, she would be a much better player. The difference with Petra, compared to many others is, she has the shots (or ability to learn the shots if she doesn't), to effectively play her all court, service, ROS and power game. Federer (and the ATP players in general) blends both so well.

It's one thing for a Koytza to tell or teach you. But it's another thing to see it in actual practice.

Does Kotyza ever show her stuff like this?

Petra always says she watched Men's tennis while growing up; no women, except Navratilova.

Well, how about doing it again Petra?

Well she said she was tired, and it was a late start for her (though I'm sure it was for the German Kerber as well), So maybe I'll give her a pass on last nights match and what she showed (or didn't) show us.

I think she can learn so much by ACTUALLY watching the ATP players, and not just what Kotyza tells her they do (remember she was supposed to learn the block/chip ATP ROS, that she hasn't perfected yet).

I wonder if she watched the tape (we know there's no tape any more Smart Alec's :lol: ), instead of just being told or instructed?

cosmoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:54 PM
Could it be that with David coaching her, he is telling her the right things and she is thinking about doing the right things...
BUT its making her hesitate and throwing her off her rhythm?

Without David, Petra reverts back to her natural instincts. Grip it and Rip it. No hesitation, No mercy.

Which do you prefer?

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 06:59 PM
I was gonna post this on the "News" thread, but I think it would be more relevant here since we've been discussing it:

http://assets.usta.com/assets/663/15/P._Kvitova_-_08.18.12.pdf

looks like Petra has echoed our sentiments and even sounds pissed off (by her standards) that she didn't win--which I think is great and reinforces the fire in her belly

:lol: at some of Petra's comments, "I think that if she will not as crazy as me today, she can win"

Well as long as Petra knows, she was truly CRAZY last night. :lol: :weirdo: :lol:

TennisAddict84
Aug 19th, 2012, 07:01 PM
So she said that she was tired a bit, and didn't think "it was nice to be out so late". OK. Not surprised about that.

Petra responded, by playing a rushed sloppy match, with no real defense as she shown in her matches leading up to this, and now regrets that she lost, especially when her opponent was so beatable. Mmmhh. Not surprised about that either.

And I can tell, she really wanted to play Ni La in that final (as she had told Li Na, after she won Montreal).

I was really looking forward to and preferred another Li Na match. That would of been good tennis. I had looked forward to the challenge, even if Petra lost.

We're either going to see a wipe out today or a shit fest. :tape:

PS: Since Petra said she had watched some of the Ni La, Venus match, I have a question and suggestion. Does she ever watch Federer play? I know she did as a youth. But what about now?

I feel if Petra actually watched Federer play, she would be a much better player. The difference with Petra, compared to many others is, she has the shots (or ability to learn the shots if she doesn't), to effectively play her all court, service, ROS and power game. Federer blends both so well.

It's one thing for a Koytza to tell or teach you. But it's another thing to see it it actual practice.

Not sure, but I def agree w/ you--watching Fed play would help Petra a great deal given their similar game styles

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 19th, 2012, 07:02 PM
To be honest; I'm equally dissapointed that Petra couldn't carry me through another weekend of sports and good feeling (if she had won), up until the US Open and start of the football season. :lol:There's really nothing else in sports currently, that I'm remotely interested in watching until next weekend (a good preseason NFL game). :sad::sad:

Oh well.


I often feel this way too. Nothing like going to work on Monday after a nice weekend of Petra ass kicking. :lol:

I was really looking forward to another Petra-Li matchup too. Those two are always fun to watch. They really bring out the best in each other. I think Petra really enjoys playing her because of their complementary styles. I honestly felt Petra would dispatch Kerber like last time. Kerber's best doesn't come close to Petra's best in my book.

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 19th, 2012, 07:07 PM
So she said that she was tired a bit, and didn't think "it was nice to be out so late". OK. Not surprised about that. Her lack of extended rallying, compared to her previous matches indicated that.

Now Petra regrets that she lost, especially when her opponent was so beatable. Mmmhh. Not surprised about that either.

And I can tell, she really wanted to play Ni La in that final (as she had told Li Na, after she won Montreal).

I was really looking forward to and preferred another Li Na match. That would of been good tennis. I had looked forward to the challenge, even if Petra lost.

We're either going to see a wipe out today or a shit fest. :tape:
PS: Since Petra said she had watched some of the Ni La, Venus match, I have a question and suggestion. Does she ever watch Federer play? I know she did as a youth. But what about now?

I feel if Petra actually watched Federer play, she would be a much better player. The difference with Petra, compared to many others is, she has the shots (or ability to learn the shots if she doesn't), to effectively play her all court, service, ROS and power game. Federer blends both so well.

It's one thing for a Koytza to tell or teach you. But it's another thing to see it it actual practice.


I'm putting my money on Li in two sets. She's been damn solid lately.

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 07:11 PM
I hope she doesn't withdraw From NH for the reason Moose stated earlier (bad tennis etiquette and professionalism) and because she needs to knock that silly "I just can't play in North America" BS out of her head forever.

GO TO NH AND WIN BABY!!! I too have asthma and I played basketball in steamy gyms for years with it and I still managed to come away with a few trophies. So, I don't want to hear any crying about asthma or humidity. Nothing is more humid than a basketball gym during a tournament accept for a freaking sauna. So, take a big hit on your puffer and get out there and rock n' roll Petra!!!! No excuses and no whimpering allowed! :bounce:

:worship: Queen Petra is heading to NH to scalp some pushers!!! More win Baby!!! :worship:

All Well stated QPF :yeah:

ArcticMoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 07:15 PM
:lol:.:silly:Oh,I forgot about your 'well-spaced-out' single days of rest that will somehow counteract the fatigue Petra feels from playing one month straight:lol:.While you're still sober enough to hit the keyboard correctly,why don't you do some research where you'll find how EXTREMELY rare it's been,even for legends who were athletically fit,to play three tune-ups without rest and then win the subsequent Slam: It's happened no more than 5 times in the last 20 years or so...and I'm fairly sure it's been LESS than 5.If she can't find her form after Montreal AND Cincy,then she's a hopeless case and NH isn't going to help her.

Though I'd admire her guts in playing NH,sometimes discretion should take the place of valor.It wouldn't be lame or dishonest if Petra reached the Cincy SFs or final and then politely pulled out of NH due to fatigue concerns.However,it WOULD be hugely lame if Petra EVER took your advice on ANYthing unless it were for a college behavioral psychology course on how to communicate with stoned and/or drunken idiots:lol:


Moose,I'll keep this short so that you can go back to beating your tiny little wee-wee at Caro's pretty pictures some more:lol::

If Petra played NH,that would mean FIVE CONSECUTIVE WEEKS of tennis if she made the 2nd week at the USO...which is ultimately where we want her to finish,right?Serena looked tired in Cincy--and she didn't even play the week prior in Montreal...nor did she play for SEVERAL weeks prior to the OG.It wouldn't be one bit rude if Petra candidly told NH that she needed to rest up for the USO to avoid fatigue.'Rude' would be showing up and getting double-bageled in 40 minutes while cheating the ticket-paying fans...or concocting some absurd excuse like taking her lemur for vaccinations so that he could make it thru Customs.It's not like NH did her some huge favor as they WANT high-ranked gals to come there and strengthen their draw,and Petra could admit that she didn't expect to play so much tennis in the lead-up.

.....But I'll tell you what: IF Petra plays and goes deep in NH...and then plays well at the USO,too,then I'll give you the profound apology you were looking for from 'Vikapower',fair enough??:angel:

:)NH – Playing (Tick);)

:DUSO – Awaiting draw:p

http://i55.tinypic.com/14jrlhd.gif:bounce: I'll be round to collect humble pie shortly....:angel:

:hysteric:You really need to visit Norway bg! There is really no need to for me to be watching over your beloved Caro....;)
:pI can introduce you to the local chicas bg....http://i53.tinypic.com/2mplllh.gif

GoofyDuck
Aug 19th, 2012, 07:27 PM
Could it be that with David coaching her, he is telling her the right things and she is thinking about doing the right things...
BUT its making her hesitate and throwing her off her rhythm?

Without David, Petra reverts back to her natural instincts. Grip it and Rip it. No hesitation, No mercy.

Which do you prefer?

Obviously definitely prefer Petra's natural game.

We all know she wants to play more like Navratilova and come to the net and hit volleys but I'd say her strengths are from the baseline.
Especially in tight matches she shouldn't force herself to go to the net, but just play her game that's she's good at, and won her all those titles last year.

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 08:34 PM
I often feel this way too. Nothing like going to work on Monday after a nice weekend of Petra ass kicking. :lol:

I was really looking forward to another Petra-Li matchup too. Those two are always fun to watch. They really bring out the best in each other. I think Petra really enjoys playing her because of their complementary styles. I honestly felt Petra would dispatch Kerber like last time. Kerber's best doesn't come close to Petra's best in my book.

Agreed; like Stuttgart (and even the second set wipe out in Rome, while Petra played when injured). I felt she would dispatch Kerber easily as well. My two concerns, were the late start, and if Petra were tired. And ironically, she stated both in her press conference. And it showed! :lol:

But agreed. Petra and Kerber's best, are no where even close to each other. Though Kerber does hit the ball a little more flat than Wozniaki, she still has a god awful serve and ugly looking strokes with tacit power, and relies on good players to mistakes in order to beat them.

Unless Kerber continues to improve, I don't think she'll be in the top 10 for long, once she's figured out.

Yeah, you can tell Petra relished the opportunity to play Na again. And so did we! :dog: :banana: :dog:

But it didn't happen in Cinci finals. :sad::sad: So maybe at the US Open finals in NYC?

As customary, we'll see?

TennisAddict84
Aug 19th, 2012, 09:00 PM
Agreed; like Stuttgart (and even the second set wipe out in Rome, while Petra played when injured). I felt she would dispatch Kerber easily as well. My two concerns, were the late start, and if Petra were tired. And ironically, she stated both in her press conference. And it showed! :lol:

But agreed. Petra and Kerber's best, are no where even close to each other. Though Kerber does hit the ball a little more flat than Wozniaki, she still has a god awful serve and ugly looking strokes with tacit power, and relies on good players to mistakes in order to beat them.

Unless Kerber continues to improve, I don't think she'll be in the top 10 for long, once she's figured out.

Yeah, you can tell Petra relished the opportunity to play Na again. And so did we! :dog: :banana: :dog:

But it didn't happen in Cinci finals. :sad::sad: So maybe at the US Open finals in NYC?

As customary, we'll see?

Would LOVE to see a Li/Kvitova USO Final :drool:

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 11:03 PM
@Tennisaddict84

Well, Ni La is beating up on the toothless Kerber in the third set, the same way Petra should of did in yesterday's 3rd set.

It's match point, and she's up 5-1.

Ni La wins 1-6 6-3 6-1

Kerber got tired of running, visibly dejected after getting broken in a 10min service game (you listening Petra), and eventually Ni La's patience and subsequent shotmaking was too much for her.

Regarding Petra, Martina Nav once said, "Petra doesn't always have to go for the lines". Martina continued saying "all she has to do is aim a foot away. And even if the defender gets a hold on it, Petra can just be waiting at the net for easy volleys, if the player doesn't make an error returning it".

When Petra is playing well, this is what she normally does (or when the player stretches or turns their back to the court). She pounces immediately. But Petra didn't do this, consistently, long or well enough in last nights match (amongst other things) to end the Kerber pushing/defending in it's tracks.

And guess what? When Ni La started blasting her shots, they weren't even coming back, cause Kerber was making mistakes or too tired and dejected to chase them down. And it was all over her face. You listening again Petra?

You know a pusher only has so many lives and breaths.

Congrats to Ni La.

She is now ahead of Petra by 15 pts (185 to 170) in the Emirates US Open Series.

If Petra makes the semi-finals of New Haven, she wins the US Open series (according to the now not so reliable ESPN :oh: ).

Go Petra!

ArcticMoose
Aug 19th, 2012, 11:06 PM
:devil:These were the stats from the Li - Kerber Match, No doubt whatsoever that Petra should have won that match last night & probably taken the trophy in the final.....:mad:
http://i46.tinypic.com/9tg70m.png
http://i47.tinypic.com/nz6eh.png
http://i46.tinypic.com/dr5mq8.png

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 11:50 PM
:devil:These were the stats from the Li - Kerber Match, No doubt whatsoever that Petra should have won that match last night & probably taken the trophy in the final.....:mad:
http://i46.tinypic.com/9tg70m.png
http://i47.tinypic.com/nz6eh.png
http://i46.tinypic.com/dr5mq8.png

Yeah, and the irony is Moose, Na had a relatively paltry amount of winners and a boatload of errors leading into the third set. I bet she got half or so of her winners in the third set (or from late 2nd on), when Kerber had already given up? So your definitely on to something.

And Na was even worse on break pts than Petra (Na was 2/14 at one point in the 2nd set), ending the match an unheard of 6/21 BP. And she still hung in there, turned the tables, hung around and won.

Are you listening/watching Petra???

And Na said her new coach calmed her down and gave her perspective. See I threw you a bone Moose. And what did Kotyza do?

Here's what happened in a nutshell. Ni La, basically weathered the Kerber defensive storm and didn't panic. Petra on the other hand, played neither mistake free aggressive or mistake free passive tennis. She just seemed out of kilter all night, instead of relaxing. What Petra didn't realize was Kerber (as most players; especially weaponless ones) are more fearful of Petra, than she is of them. And Petra just didn't take advantage of that and trust herself. That's no good!

I know I/we could sound a little too harsh on Petra. But the match was truly in her hands. And she just can't keep giving a titles like this, just cause she's supposed to be "young" and "talented". :help: Screw that!!

You can't do that no more Petra. You been sleep walking too long. You got a new/old crop of players that are competing for titles with you (Azarenka, Sharapova, Williams, Li Na), so when they're not playing well or entered in a tournament, you gotta win it when you have a chance; especially when you weren't playing your best, but still in the match against an inferior player.

You can't lose to the Kerbers of the world, just to watch a player like Li Na (who you just beat last week), who arguably played worst against Kerber than you did (especially the first two sets), but still won her match against her anyway. I'm glad for Li Na. But come on Petra!!!

Now please go kick some ass (and at least make the semifinals, and preferably win) in New Haven please, then the US Open. :lol:

Excelscior
Aug 19th, 2012, 11:58 PM
It appears that Petra won't play her first match in New Haven until Tues.

Caro, who is in Kvitova's half, is scheduled to play tomorrow. But I see no Petra. So I'm assuming she plays her first match Tuesday.

TennisAddict84
Aug 20th, 2012, 12:02 AM
@Tennisaddict84

Well, Ni La is beating up on the toothless Kerber in the third set, the same way Petra should of did in yesterday's 3rd set.

It's match point, and she's up 5-1.

Ni La wins 1-6 6-3 6-1

Kerber got tired of running, visibly dejected after getting broken in a 10min service game (you listening Petra), and eventually Ni La's patience and subsequent shotmaking was too much for her.

Regarding Petra, Martina Nav once said, "Petra doesn't always have to go for the lines". Martina continued saying "all she has to do is aim a foot away. And even if the defender gets a hold on it, Petra can just be waiting at the net for easy volleys, if the player doesn't make an error returning it". When Petra is playing well, this is what she normally does (or when the player stretches or turns their back to the court). She pounces immediately.

But Petra didn't do this, consistently, enough, long or well enough in last nights match (amongst other things).

And guess what? When Ni La started blasting her shots, they weren't even coming back, cause Kerber was making mistakes or too tired and dejected to chase them down. And it was all over her face. You listening again Petra?

You know a pusher only has so many lives and breaths.

Congrats to Ni La.

She is now ahead of Petra by 15 pts (185 to 170) in the Emirates US Open Series.

If Petra makes the semi-finals of New Haven, she wins the US Open series (according to the now not so reliable ESPN :oh: ).

Go Petra!

This was so evident in Petra's match against Pennetta at the Olympics--IMO, one of the cleanest matches Petra's played all year. She was still hitting her flat, penetrating, power shots, but aiming a few feet inside the baseline instead of going for the lines. Davenport did this so well when she was playing.

Petra just needs to keep this in mind when she's playing her matches, especially when things are going awry. She can still be authoritative, aggressive, and consistently execute her flat strokes if she just gave herself more room to aim. But obviously it becomes another issue when Petra has the whole open court and gets the ball in the net :help:

But yeah, Na finished what Petra could not do--stay patient and steady w/ Kerber, not go for too much too soon, and just wait for her opportunities. And in the end, Kerber got tired, faltered, started making all these mistakes, and got outsteadied by Na.

Excelscior
Aug 20th, 2012, 12:24 AM
This was so evident in Petra's match against Pennetta at the Olympics--IMO, one of the cleanest matches Petra's played all year. She was still hitting her flat, penetrating, power shots, but aiming a few feet inside the baseline instead of going for the lines. Davenport did this so well when she was playing.

Petra just needs to keep this in mind when she's playing her matches, especially when things are going awry. She can still be authoritative, aggressive, and consistently execute her flat strokes if she just gave herself more room to aim. But obviously it becomes another issue when Petra has the whole open court and gets the ball in the net :help:

But yeah, Na finished what Petra could not do--stay patient and steady w/ Kerber, not go for too much too soon, and just wait for her opportunities. And in the end, Kerber got tired, faltered, started making all these mistakes, and got outsteadied by Na.

I wonder if Kotyza or Petra know/notice things like this (a player like Kerber being demoralized, tired and making mistakes), when it does't happen in their match?

I hope so, cause Kerber look worried and frightened in the match vs Petra, when Petra started to come back/compete from the 2nd set.

But of course, Kerber had a complete mental and physical melt down during the third set in the Na match tonight. Its things like that, you would hope that would make Petra relax and play her game, knowing this.

Meelis
Aug 20th, 2012, 12:27 AM
It appears that Petra won't play her first match in New Haven until Tues.

Caro, who is in Kvitova's half, is scheduled to play tomorrow. But I see no Petra. So I'm assuming she plays her first match Tuesday.

Unlike Caro, Petra has a R1 bye. R2 will be played on Tuesday.

plokploky
Aug 20th, 2012, 12:33 AM
caro is in the other half, and she effectively has a R2 bye as both glatch and gibbs will be awful.

Mynarco
Aug 20th, 2012, 12:34 AM
It appears that Petra won't play her first match in New Haven until Tues.

Caro, who is in Kvitova's half, is scheduled to play tomorrow. But I see no Petra. So I'm assuming she plays her first match Tuesday.

Bartoli is in Kvitova's half. Aga is in Caro's.

Excelscior
Aug 20th, 2012, 01:03 AM
Bartoli is in Kvitova's half. Aga is in Caro's.

And @ Plokploky

Thanks guys. Too bad. :lol:

Bartoli is slumping, but always dangerous.

Caro would be good preparation for some early round pushers in the US Open.

It appeared Petra forgot that type of player already (though she had played Kerber 2x this year), judging by how she played Angie in Cincy.

Of course Petra said she was a little tired and it was late for her. :confused:

OK, so maybe that contributed to her lack of total alertness, execution and patience on the court vs Pusher; I mean Kerber, that we had seen from Montreal to Cincy?

bruce goose
Aug 20th, 2012, 01:34 AM
:)NH – Playing (Tick);)

:DUSO – Awaiting draw:p

http://i55.tinypic.com/14jrlhd.gif:bounce: I'll be round to collect humble pie shortly....:angel:

:hysteric:You really need to visit Norway bg! There is really no need to for me to be watching over your beloved Caro....;)
:pI can introduce you to the local chicas bg....http://i53.tinypic.com/2mplllh.gifUmmmm...Moose,here's a simple bit of advice: Get a gf,and THEN you won't need to troll porno sites and watch videos of women so much:lol:.

Though I respect both your and QPF's concerns about professionalism,I think they're misplaced here.No one can fault Petra IF SHE JUST COMES OUT AND ADMITS THE TRUTH to the NH leaders: 'I've struggled so much on US HCs in the past that I didn't expect to win RC and then follow up with a SF in Cincy.Now I've found a good rhythm but my body can't hold up to(emphasis mine)FIVE STRAIGHT WEEKS OF TENNIS.I'd still be happy to show up there at NH and do whatever promo work you'd like me to do for you.'

Again,pretty much NO ONE can go FIVE STRAIGHT WEEKS,Moose...even the FITTEST players.'Unprofessional' would be if Petra lied to NH and pretended to have some minor injury...or if she tanked a match just to,technically,do her part by playing.Originally,going to NH seemed like a great idea for a warm-up but,as events have unfolded,it'll be suicide for Petra's stamina if she somehow survives to the 2nd week in NYC.As I've hinted,though,I want her to do well and would LOVE to see your idiot's lucky guess to turn out right:lol:

ArcticMoose
Aug 20th, 2012, 01:45 AM
Ex, here is the full NH draw to refresh your mind..http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/posting/2012/602/MDS.pdf

ArcticMoose
Aug 20th, 2012, 01:45 AM
effing kerber...tired one sec...then hits a scorching winner the next
:speakles:Just when I thought you would be setting new standards:tape: as a hack hitherto rarely seen on TF you had to burst the bubble TA84:sobbing:.

:oh:Perhaps you need to try a variety of different flavours during your ice cream tucking marathons to calm you down:hysteric:– hope you pre-order your stocks for Stanford & USO well in advance;) as you will need extra stocks :help:given the amount of three set matches Kvitty's playing...:p

bruce goose
Aug 20th, 2012, 01:51 AM
And @ Plokploky

Thanks guys. Too bad. :lol:

Bartoli is slumping, but always dangerous.

Caro would be good preparation for some early round pushers in the US Open.

It appeared Petra forgot that type of player already (though she had played Kerber 2x this year), judging by how she played Angie in Cincy.

Of course Petra said she was a little tired and it was late for her. :confused:

OK, so maybe that contributed to her lack of total alertness, execution and patience on the court vs Pusher; I mean Kerber, that we had seen from Montreal to Cincy?Gonna give you something that's HIGHLY subjective here: I think Petra may have dodged a bullet by losing when she did.

I liked her chances in the RC final and she came through:cool:,but if Petra had managed to squeak past Angie(which could've easily happened),then she would've lost to Li today,IMO.I base that mostly on Petra's drop-off in intensity in the SF,and Li seemed fairly hungry all week.In a sense,Petra undid the damage of blowing leads in her last two matchups vs. Li...even better by winning a title in the process.However,coming STRAIGHT back with a loss to her,especially if it had been in 2 sets,might've counteracted that positive stride,mentally/psychologically...keeping in mind a potential late-round meeting at the USO.We all know that Li's confidence comes and goes and that she's rarely awesome for more than 2 weeks in a row and,as it stands now,her last match with Petra ended with the Lioness taking charge when necessary....so let that ass-whupping sit in her mind as the possible USO encounter approaches;).

None of this is provable,of course,but it kept speaking to me today as I watched how the Cincy final went down.VAMOS,Petra:bounce:!!!

TennisAddict84
Aug 20th, 2012, 02:00 AM
:speakles:Just when I thought you would be setting new standards:tape: as a hack hitherto rarely seen on TF you had to burst the bubble TA84:sobbing:.

:oh:Perhaps you need to try a variety of different flavours during your ice cream tucking marathons to calm you down:hysteric:– hope you pre-order your stocks for Stanford & USO well in advance;) as you will need extra stocks :help:given the amount of three set matches Kvitty's playing...:p

LOL kerber's attitude/behavior on the court is so awkward and annoying at times...but yea, I really wanted Na to win since Kerber took out our Kvitty :mad:

bruce goose
Aug 20th, 2012, 05:28 AM
NH is a very accommodating tourney...which they sort of HAVE to be if they don't want players to blow them off and rest up for the USO:lol:.My father actually lives a few hours west within the same state and,other than the old-style campus itself for Yale U.,New Haven is reputedly a dreary-looking,forgettable town...have been to OTHER parts of Conn. but not NH,so I can't speak from experience.

Anyway,they moved the Zheng-Pironkova match to Tuesday since Jie made the dubs finals in Cincy...and they'd probably be very appreciative if Petra did lots of sponsor and promo work for them,even if she didn't play.Many of you are surely aware of a lingerie model/part-time-player who constantly pulls out of tourneys with medical crises such as split ends,chapped lips or excessive earwax,but she does her promo stints and flashes her pretty smile for the young crowd,males especially,and the tourney directors are satisfied since she doesn't often last past the first round of Premier events,anyway:lol:.Petra doesn't have quite the same 'shallow drawing power';),yet she's still a huge name as a Wimby & YEC champ so her promo efforts would leave a positive impact for NH,don't you think??:)

ArcticMoose
Aug 20th, 2012, 07:04 AM
NH is a very accommodating tourney...which they sort of HAVE to be if they don't want players to blow them off and rest up for the USO:lol:.My father actually lives a few hours west within the same state and,other than the old-style campus itself for Yale U.,New Haven is reputedly a dreary-looking,forgettable town...have been to OTHER parts of Conn. but not NH,so I can't speak from experience.

Anyway,they moved the Zheng-Pironkova match to Tuesday since Jie made the dubs finals in Cincy...and they'd probably be very appreciative if Petra did lots of sponsor and promo work for them,even if she didn't play.Many of you are surely aware of a lingerie model/part-time-player who constantly pulls out of tourneys with medical crises such as split ends,chapped lips or excessive earwax,but she does her promo stints and flashes her pretty smile for the young crowd,males especially,and the tourney directors are satisfied since she doesn't often last past the first round of Premier events,anyway:lol:.Petra doesn't have quite the same 'shallow drawing power';),yet she's still a huge name as a Wimby & YEC champ so her promo efforts would leave a positive impact for NH,don't you think??:)
:p Would love to see VIP, Wozzy, Sori, Domi, Jamila, Kiri, & possibly Care bear do a WTA version of 'Sorority Sisters':hearts: movie shot on the WTA tour locatios...would be a box office hit undoubtedly....:drool:

ArcticMoose
Aug 20th, 2012, 07:29 AM
Yeah, and the irony is Moose, Na had a relatively paltry amount of winners and a boatload of errors leading into the third set. I bet she got half or so of her winners in the third set (or from late 2nd on), when Kerber had already given up? So your definitely on to something.

And Na was even worse on break pts than Petra (Na was 2/14 at one point in the 2nd set), ending the match an unheard of 6/21 BP. And she still hung in there, turned the tables, hung around and won.

Are you listening/watching Petra???

And Na said her new coach calmed her down and gave her perspective. See I threw you a bone Moose. And what did Kotyza do?

Here's what happened in a nutshell. Ni La, basically weathered the Kerber defensive storm and didn't panic. Petra on the other hand, played neither mistake free aggressive or mistake free passive tennis. She just seemed out of kilter all night, instead of relaxing. What Petra didn't realize was Kerber (as most players; especially weaponless ones) are more fearful of Petra, than she is of them. And Petra just didn't take advantage of that and trust herself. That's no good!

I know I/we could sound a little too harsh on Petra. But the match was truly in her hands. And she just can't keep giving a titles like this, just cause she's supposed to be "young" and "talented". :help: Screw that!!

You can't do that no more Petra. You been sleep walking too long. You got a new/old crop of players that are competing for titles with you (Azarenka, Sharapova, Williams, Li Na), so when they're not playing well or entered in a tournament, you gotta win it when you have a chance; especially when you weren't playing your best, but still in the match against an inferior player.

You can't lose to the Kerbers of the world, just to watch a player like Li Na (who you just beat last week), who arguably played worst against Kerber than you did (especially the first two sets), but still won her match against her anyway. I'm glad for Li Na. But come on Petra!!!

Now please go kick some ass (and at least make the semifinals, and preferably win) in New Haven please, then the US Open. :lol:
:eek:From memory Li had 12 winners & Angie 6 winners at the second set 3 all stage.... that is why I was fuming at Kvitty for throwing the SF away...

;) Thanks for the Bone, My self & QPF have always questioned Kotyza's ability to impart mental fortitude, clear thinking techniques, calmness, patience, fighting spirit, relaxed demeanor, positive on-court attitude.... to Kvitty - this is why we call for Kotyza's head because he can't give her the 'Marginal gains' she needs as a Top Class Player to Dominate the tour with all those natural skills she possesses...

:lol: Never seen you lose your temper before Ex, ... but yes the :bs: that she is young & talented and has a free pass to throw away SFs & Matches she should routinely win just does not cut the mustard... FO11, AO12 were simply inexcusable + USO11 debacle (one of the reasons I had to take a sabatical to calm down from the bs mess...)

ArcticMoose
Aug 20th, 2012, 07:38 AM
LOL kerber's attitude/behavior on the court is so awkward and annoying at times...but yea, I really wanted Na to win since Kerber took out our Kvitty :mad:

:oh:mmmm.... you are well behaved on Kvitty's sub-forum almost like at a Convent School & then sooo v. naughty on GM livescore..:p (mmmm:oh:... what movie best describes this sort of behaviour I wonder...:D.)

Excelscior
Aug 20th, 2012, 02:47 PM
:eek:From memory Li had 12 winners & Angie 6 winners at the second set 3 all stage.... that is why I was fuming at Kvitty for throwing the SF away...

;) Thanks for the Bone, My self & QPF have always questioned Kotyza's ability to impart mental fortitude, clear thinking techniques, calmness, patience, fighting spirit, relaxed demeanor, positive on-court attitude.... to Kvitty - this is why we call for Kotyza's head because he can't give her the 'Marginal gains' she needs as a Top Class Player to Dominate the tour with all those natural skills she possesses...

:lol: Never seen you lose your temper before Ex, ... but yes the :bs: that she is young & talented and has a free pass to throw away SFs & Matches she should routinely win just does not cut the mustard... FO11, AO12 were simply inexcusable + USO11 debacle (one of the reasons I had to take a sabatical to calm down from the bs mess...)

Yeah, Li Na did not play that well, even worse than Petra, up until the latter part of the third set indeed.

Like we've said before, Kotyza probably teaches her tennis shots very well. The question is, what about his game management, preparation and tournament/career guidance?

Ni La's coach, is the former coach of 7X Grand Slam Winner. When he says "do this" or "relax, I've been in these situations before". And he adds "trust me!" It carries weight, unless Li Na is just crazy. :lol:

Not sure Petra's getting that, especially when you look at how she's done with out him during tournaments (as you and ESPN pointed out this weekend). ESPN actually said she's won 4 tournaments with out him. But as we all realize, you can't neccessarily quote ESPN reliably anymore. :help:

I wasn't really mad. I just wanted to be expressive, and was feeling the moment (if you're talking about the "screw that" part; followed up by my Personal Petra Plea). :lol:

Let's be honest. Kerber's an emotional, insecure, hot & cold-in her play pusher. And neither Petra or coach appeared to realize and take advantage of that; especially after facing a similar player and circumstance, in Woz at Montreal. That could be perplexing to some.

As far as blowing this and other final/title opportunities; sometimes I think her and Kotyza do have a very lackadaisical attitude when it comes to winning, rankings and points. I do understand and support long term planning and player health, myself. Absolutely I do. But sometimes they can appear lax. You wanna win to sometimes!

Yes, FO 2011, was a total fail. Agreed.

2012 Australian Open, yes was a fail. But not as bad as 2011 FO. There were just a lot of opportunities (though you could argue Petra outplayed Masha, but she just hung in there), where Petra had chances to win and didn't. Masha was tough. But I know what you mean (especially after Petra had come off winning the YEC and Hopman cup, and would of played her Pet Vika Azarenka).

2011 US Open. I know you don't, but I give Petra a pass. I know she should of least had gotten out of the first round. Agreed. But a Slam hang over and Petra's poor starts in tournaments, were a deadly combination I think.

In fairness to Kotyza, he has kept Petra in the top 10 and much more consistent (though she can certainly improve that some more) in her month to month events compared to last year. Agreed?

So it's almost like a trade off so far with Kotyza. Petra has gotten better in the lower rounds. But she's gotten worse in the semi-final level this year.

Last year, Petra was 6/7 in finals. I bet you her semi-final record wasn't too far off. This year, at 1-5. Not so good. So there could be a problem, directing this top level player now indeed. Has Petra outgrown him? Give it time (which I know you and others do NOT want to do, as Petra keeps letting titles and ranking pts slip out of her hands, like the sands in an hour glass).

Nonetheless, the year continues. And hopefully we'll see more final appearances, ranking points and tournament titles.

I think we just covered most of it, right? :lol:

Excelscior
Aug 20th, 2012, 03:25 PM
Hey Moose.

As far as planning for a big time player, I will tell you the two worst things Kotyza did to Petra for 2012:

1) Allowing Petra to get injured playing a Czech Club Level Match at the end of 2011, entering 2012.

I understand that it may of been very important to some Czech's and to Lucie Hredecka (pardon me if I spelled it wrong). But you can't use as an excuse (which they did), that Petra's training was behind schedule, cause she was trying win some Pre Pre Pre season club tennis match vs 100 level ranked Czech player. That was a TOTAL FAIL!!

Kotyza, should have told Petra in no uncertain terms, "Do not play too hard or play to win". And added; "you're just trying to get into shape for the tennis season. Do not get injured". And according to them, she did. SMH Where was the player direction?

2) The second thing they did, was keep Petra in the Czech Republic leading into Doha and Dubai (I know she loves being home guys) during a deep freeze. So Petra caught a cold/flu bug and couldn't play Doha. Then tried to play Dubai, and was sick there as well (possibly from being weak from the week before). However, if I remember correctly, Petra's team used her Achilles tear from that Preseason club match as the reason for pulling out Dubai.

In my opinion if Kotyza and team were really serious about Petra's career and tournament aspirations, they would of kept her in a warm weather climate, especially if, or once they knew it was so cold in the Czech Republic.

If Petra wanted to spend time with her family, she's rich enough. She should of just had a vacation with them in Doha or where ever. But not in the freezing Czech Republic. And don't give me this stuff about being home guys. It was still tennis season.

There was a lot of debate regarding these incidents when they took place. And I said at the time it was "Key Stone Cops Material". I still do. What do you think?

In areas like this/that, I agree. Kotyza and team can, need to get much get better with a top level player/talent like Petra!!

According to her team, Petra's injury/lack of tennis training (and I'll throw in missing Doha and Dubai) from that Preseason Club match, really affected her development and "feel" with her racket for almost the entire first half of the tennis year. Remember?

Not good!

dadouch
Aug 20th, 2012, 06:31 PM
I think most of you underestimate Kerber, she is a top player and hard to beat even for Petra at her best. Na-Li was phenomenal in that final, I have never seen her play this well.

Deestruction
Aug 20th, 2012, 07:01 PM
Could it be that with David coaching her, he is telling her the right things and she is thinking about doing the right things...
BUT its making her hesitate and throwing her off her rhythm?

Without David, Petra reverts back to her natural instincts. Grip it and Rip it. No hesitation, No mercy.

Which do you prefer?
I prefer her natural game :sobbing:
Would LOVE to see a Li/Kvitova USO Final :drool:

Same here i love those two :drool:

paulmara
Aug 20th, 2012, 07:15 PM
Nicole Gibbs N 312 (1993)

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Nicole+Gibbs+Bank+West+Classic+Day+3+_YmNlBm0Ovbl. jpg

The USTA rewards her with a trip to the big city, shows her the bright lights of Broadway and the jumbotron in Arthur Ashe Stadium—and then throws her to the lions.

http://www.tennis.com/news/2012/08/wild-women-of-the-us-open/38869/#.UDO3at3N85A

Excelscior
Aug 20th, 2012, 07:15 PM
I think most of you underestimate Kerber, she is a top player and hard to beat even for Petra at her best. Na-Li was phenomenal in that final, I have never seen her play this well.

Hey Dadouch. Long time no hear.

Now with all due respect to Kerber, how did we underestimate her? I know a lot of people hate on her. But I'm not.

Petra beat her quite easily in Stuttgart, after Kerber had that amazing match against Wozniaki, when every one though she was at her best.

In Rome, Petra had that abdominal injury, and still beat Kerber quite easily in the second set of a 3 set match, she lost, that she played in pain. Remember, Petra couldn't serve more than 90mph in that match.

And as far as Saturday nights match in Cincy; except for Kerbers defense, she didn't look that great to me. Sorry.

Let's be honest Dadouch, she can run down balls and occasionally hit winners on the run or sneak them by you when you least expect it. But what have we missed, or where have we underestimated her?

In the sum total, how is her game much different or better than Peak Caro (yes I know Kerber has a flatter forehand that she can hit for winners occasionally).

Caro also has/had a better backhand than Kerber she could hit for winners)? But like Caro, Kerber's strokes are fugly. At least Caro has a good backhand.

To continue, Kerber has neither a quality first or second serve. She's not a great returner as well. Maybe most importantly, she doesn't have a real weapon off of either wing. She also openly gets down on herself, and can look lost when being hit off the court (as happened in the Petra and Li Na match).

In addition, Kerber's not even as fast as some of us thing she is. She just anticipates very well. You noticed when she got tired or down on herself she wasn't getting to most of those balls, right? If she was naturally fast, even when tired, she would of got to some of those. Unless, you just wanna say she gave up. And then that would be another critique.

Regarding Ni La; I don't even think Ni La played that great in the Kerber match. I just think Kerber literally gave up after that 10min break of service in the second set and made it easy for Na.

I actually think Ni La played at a much higher level in the Petra match in Montreal. But since Ni La lost, she doesn't get as much credit for it. But that was a great, rock em sock em match during many points, with lots of defense, particularly from Petra, with great shot making.

As a matter of fact, The Eurosport Team-including Sam Smith, and many Ni La fans had said that was the best they had seen Ni La play since she won her French Open, in that final vs Petra. In comparison, Kerber just didn't put up as great opposition, I feel. .

So I'm not saying that Kerber isn't a top 10 player this year. She is. And I'm not saying she has no strengths. She does. But unless her game improves dramatically, I don't see her in the top 10 1-2 years from now. She'll probably go the way of Wozniaki. She has no real weapons, and fugly shots. And I would of told you this, before she beat Petra on Saturday.

Nonetheless, kudos to Kerber for her rise.

TennisAddict84
Aug 20th, 2012, 07:18 PM
Hey Dadouch. Long time no hear.

Now with all due respect to Kerber, how did we underestimate her? I know a lot of people hate on her. But I'm not.

Petra beat her quite easily in Stuttgart, after Kerber had that amazing match against Wozniaki, when every one though she was at her best.

In Rome, Petra had that abdominal injury, and still beat Kerber quite easily in the second set of a 3 set match, she lost, that she played in pain. Remember, Petra couldn't serve more than 90mph in that match.

And as far as Saturday nights match in Cincy; except for Kerbers defense, she didn't look that great to me. Sorry.

Let's be honest Dadouch, she can run down balls and occasionally hit winners on the run or sneak them by you when you least expect it. But what have we missed, or where have we underestimated her?

In the sum total, how is her game much different or better than Peak Caro (yes I know Kerber has a flatter forehand that she can hit for winners occasionally).

Caro also has/had a better backhand than Kerber she could hit for winners)? But like Caro, Kerber's strokes are fugly. At least Caro has a good backhand.

To continue, Kerber has neither a quality first or second serve. She's not a great returner as well. Maybe most importantly, she doesn't have a real weapon off of either wing. She also openly gets down on herself, and can look lost when being hit off the court (as happened in the Petra and Li Na match).

In addition, Kerber's not even as fast as some of us thing she is. She just anticipates very well. You noticed she she got tired, she wasn't getting to most of those balls, right? If she was naturally fast, even when tired, she would of got to some of those. Unless, you just wanna say she gave up. And then that would be another critique.

Regarding Ni La; I don't even think Ni La played that great in the Kerber match. I just think Kerber literally gave up after that 10min break of service in the second set.

I actually think Ni La played at a much higher level in the Petra match in Montreal. But since Ni La lost, she doesn't get credit for it. But that was a great, rock em sock em match during many points, with lots of defense, particularly from Petra.

As a matter of fact, The Eurosport Team-including Sam Smith, and many Ni La fans had said that was the best they had seen Ni La play since she won her French Open, in that final vs Petra. Kerber just didn't put up great opposition.

So I'm not saying that Kerber isn't a top 10 player this year. She is. And I'm not saying she has no strengths. She does. But unless her game improves dramatically, I don't see her in the top 10 1-2 years from now. She'll probably go the way of Wozniaki. She has no real weapons, and fugly shots. And I would of told you this, before she beat Petra on Saturday.

:lol: at everyone in GM claiming that Li Na played like THE MATCH OF HER LIFE...i mean really lets get real for a sec...Li Na is just a better player than Kerber...once she followed Carlos' advice and became more patient, the match was in her hands.

Excelscior
Aug 20th, 2012, 07:35 PM
Nicole Gibbs N 312 (1993)

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Nicole+Gibbs+Bank+West+Classic+Day+3+_YmNlBm0Ovbl. jpg

What time Paulmara? Do you know?

dadouch
Aug 20th, 2012, 07:51 PM
Hey Dadouch. Long time no hear.

Now with all due respect to Kerber, how did we underestimate her? I know a lot of people hate on her. But I'm not.

Petra beat her quite easily in Stuttgart, after Kerber had that amazing match against Wozniaki, when every one though she was at her best.

In Rome, Petra had that abdominal injury, and still beat Kerber quite easily in the second set of a 3 set match, she lost, that she played in pain. Remember, Petra couldn't serve more than 90mph in that match.

And as far as Saturday nights match in Cincy; except for Kerbers defense, she didn't look that great to me. Sorry.

Let's be honest Dadouch, she can run down balls and occasionally hit winners on the run or sneak them by you when you least expect it. But what have we missed, or where have we underestimated her?

In the sum total, how is her game much different or better than Peak Caro (yes I know Kerber has a flatter forehand that she can hit for winners occasionally).

Caro also has/had a better backhand than Kerber she could hit for winners)? But like Caro, Kerber's strokes are fugly. At least Caro has a good backhand.

To continue, Kerber has neither a quality first or second serve. She's not a great returner as well. Maybe most importantly, she doesn't have a real weapon off of either wing. She also openly gets down on herself, and can look lost when being hit off the court (as happened in the Petra and Li Na match).

In addition, Kerber's not even as fast as some of us thing she is. She just anticipates very well. You noticed when she got tired or down on herself she wasn't getting to most of those balls, right? If she was naturally fast, even when tired, she would of got to some of those. Unless, you just wanna say she gave up. And then that would be another critique.

Regarding Ni La; I don't even think Ni La played that great in the Kerber match. I just think Kerber literally gave up after that 10min break of service in the second set and made it easy for Na.

I actually think Ni La played at a much higher level in the Petra match in Montreal. But since Ni La lost, she doesn't get as much credit for it. But that was a great, rock em sock em match during many points, with lots of defense, particularly from Petra, with great shot making.

As a matter of fact, The Eurosport Team-including Sam Smith, and many Ni La fans had said that was the best they had seen Ni La play since she won her French Open, in that final vs Petra. In comparison, Kerber just didn't put up as great opposition, I feel. .

So I'm not saying that Kerber isn't a top 10 player this year. She is. And I'm not saying she has no strengths. She does. But unless her game improves dramatically, I don't see her in the top 10 1-2 years from now. She'll probably go the way of Wozniaki. She has no real weapons, and fugly shots. And I would of told you this, before she beat Petra on Saturday.

Nonetheless, kudos to Kerber for her rise.

Wozniacki's game seems to me very mechanical, it's difficult to describe, but I'm sure there is a reason Kerber thrashes her every time they meet. In my opinion Kerber's game is very impressive, you are right that none of her shots may stand out as exceptional but she is the case when the whole is more then sum of the parts. She is also very mentally strong, do not be fooled by her apparent lack of fight in the final, she fought relentlessly in the middle of the second set when the momentum was shifting. Unfortunately for her, she faced an inspired opponent playing at unbelievable level which did not drop.

Meelis
Aug 20th, 2012, 09:46 PM
What time

Wednesday night apparently.

Just in...Stephens-Bartoli, Tuesday day session; top-seed Radwanska Tuesday night and Kvitova-Gibbs Wednesday night

Excelscior
Aug 20th, 2012, 09:57 PM
Wednesday night apparently.

Thanks Meelis.

Petra getting that extra rest I see.

I hope it's the 7pm night match and not the one after.

If it isn't, I think her team should protest/push for the 7pm slot.

Hopefully it is? :yeah:

Petra said she didn't like playing so late on Saturday in Cincinnati.

Excelscior
Aug 20th, 2012, 10:26 PM
OK, I took a peek at their weeks schedule (don't list players or names).

Judging by the size of the field, I assume she would be the 7pm match.

Tonight they have doubles scheduled after the 7pm singles match, for example.

bruce goose
Aug 21st, 2012, 06:37 AM
Hey Moose.

As far as planning for a big time player, I will tell you the two worst things Kotyza did to Petra for 2012:

1) Allowing Petra to get injured playing a Czech Club Level Match at the end of 2011, entering 2012.

I understand that it may of been very important to some Czech's and to Lucie Hredecka (pardon me if I spelled it wrong). But you can't use as an excuse (which they did), that Petra's training was behind schedule, cause she was trying win some Pre Pre Pre season club tennis match vs 100 level ranked Czech player. That was a TOTAL FAIL!!

Kotyza, should have told Petra in no uncertain terms, "Do not play too hard or play to win". And added; "you're just trying to get into shape for the tennis season. Do not get injured". And according to them, she did. SMH Where was the player direction?

2) The second thing they did, was keep Petra in the Czech Republic leading into Doha and Dubai (I know she loves being home guys) during a deep freeze. So Petra caught a cold/flu bug and couldn't play Doha. Then tried to play Dubai, and was sick there as well (possibly from being weak from the week before). However, if I remember correctly, Petra's team used her Achilles tear from that Preseason club match as the reason for pulling out Dubai.

In my opinion if Kotyza and team were really serious about Petra's career and tournament aspirations, they would of kept her in a warm weather climate, especially if, or once they knew it was so cold in the Czech Republic.

If Petra wanted to spend time with her family, she's rich enough. She should of just had a vacation with them in Doha or where ever. But not in the freezing Czech Republic. And don't give me this stuff about being home guys. It was still tennis season.

There was a lot of debate regarding these incidents when they took place. And I said at the time it was "Key Stone Cops Material". I still do. What do you think?

In areas like this/that, I agree. Kotyza and team can, need to get much get better with a top level player/talent like Petra!!

According to her team, Petra's injury/lack of tennis training (and I'll throw in missing Doha and Dubai) from that Preseason Club match, really affected her development and "feel" with her racket for almost the entire first half of the tennis year. Remember?

Not good!Okay,you can blame the coach for TENNIS-related stuff,but Dr.Bernard Pikola,Petra's small-town redneck Czech medical advisor,gets all the blame for mismanaging her health issues;)

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 21st, 2012, 11:15 AM
OK, I took a peek at their weeks schedule (don't list players or names).

Judging by the size of the field, I assume she would be the 7pm match.

Tonight they have doubles scheduled after the 7pm singles match, for example.


Honestly Ex, taking a look at the field she is competing against, can you see any way Petra won't come out victorious from this tournament? The money and the points are really for the taking..... :lick:

:worship: Queen Petra, please take care of business. It's yours for the taking. :worship:

Memo to Kotyza: Please don't show up at the matches. Let Petra take off the mental training wheels and learn how to dominate on her own!!!! Just keep her in shape Bubba. Thank you, Petra fans united

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 21st, 2012, 11:29 AM
Okay,you can blame the coach for TENNIS-related stuff,but Dr.Bernard Pikola,Petra's small-town redneck Czech medical advisor,gets all the blame for mismanaging her health issues;)

At some point, you'd think her team would wake up and maybe consult a North American doctor who has treated serious cases similar to hers in the same region of the world. It's not like she can't afford to consult other experts than Dr. Pikola on her own dime, although it is tempting to pass off the costs to VZP the Czech national health insurance company. :rolleyes:

Some people are so f'n cheap!!!! It's unbelievable!!! :lol:

It would be nice to learn she has already done this. Could be why she's having better results. ;)


:worship: Queen Petra is resting up and getting ready to strike!!! The NH title is on her racquet!!! :worship:

Excelscior
Aug 21st, 2012, 02:06 PM
At some point, you'd think her team would wake up and maybe consult a North American doctor who has treated serious cases similar to hers in the same region of the world. It's not like she can't afford to consult other experts than Dr. Pikola on her own dime, although it is tempting to pass off the costs to VZP the Czech national health insurance company. :rolleyes:

Some people are so f'n cheap!!!! It's unbelievable!!! :lol:

It would be nice to learn she has already done this. Could be why she's having better results. ;)


:worship: Queen Petra is resting up and getting ready to strike!!! The NH title is on her racquet!!! :worship:

It's funny you say this/that QPF (though Bruce and I were talking about Petra in a Czech Republic deep freeze. Not in America). :lol:

Nonetheless, you brought up a good point that I screamed about in the past. "Why not just consult local allergist, Pulmonologist, etc., in the area (either the North East on a whole, and/or which ever local area you enter)?" I agree.

And apparently, she may have, cause ESPN claimed Petra has a new inhaler, which apparently works better.

I don't know, cause ESPN didn't go into detail. But if that's the case, good for her. And like you QPF, I agree. If she would of had a specialist in North America, she may have come to this solution a lot sooner.

Excelscior
Aug 21st, 2012, 02:11 PM
Okay,you can blame the coach for TENNIS-related stuff,but Dr.Bernard Pikola,Petra's small-town redneck Czech medical advisor,gets all the blame for mismanaging her health issues;)

Funny. :)

Come on now Bruce. That should be a common sense decision for Petra's team. You don't need to be a doctor to know that.

And Petra's a professional athlete. Wouldn't her doctor be part of THE team anyway? :shrug:

If he's not; he should be, unless her team is disorganized.

And if you guys feel he's a small town hick doctor (I don't know), that's another problem all together. :lol:

Excelscior
Aug 21st, 2012, 03:05 PM
Honestly Ex, taking a look at the field she is competing against, can you see any way Petra won't come out victorious from this tournament? The money and the points are really for the taking..... :lick:

:worship: Queen Petra, please take care of business. It's yours for the taking. :worship:

Memo to Kotyza: Please don't show up at the matches. Let Petra take off the mental training wheels and learn how to dominate on her own!!!! Just keep her in shape Bubba. Thank you, Petra fans united

A couple of things QPF after reading your post, before I forget. Lol

1) You know, even if Kotyza's went to Cincinnati or he's in New Haven, all he had/has to do is stay in the hotel and/or tell Petra (whether he was in the Arena or not) "I'm not going to coach you or go over strategy. You're on your own".

If he said it, that could of placed Petra in the right independent mindset even with him present. Cause let's be honest; he's already there. She can't send him home back to the Czech Republic. :lol:

2) It's funny brought up the field in New Haven. The first thing I thought when Paulmara mentioned Petra's first opponent was this. "If this chick is really ranked in the 300's, should we worry if Petra doesn't win 6-0 6-0? :lol: Cause there is no way if Petra is focused and concentrating, that she should lose a game to a 300+ ranked player (unless they're some young phenom on the upswing no one knows about). But still. :lol:

A couple of notes:

If Petra makes the semifinals of New Haven (which is only winning two matches); she wins the US Open Series that she blew by not making the finals in Cincinnati. She's only 15 pts behind Li Na (185 to 170 pts).

Back to your initial question. Yes, looking at the field you would think Petra would/should win. And I hope she does.

Of course there are names that catch your attention like Bartoli, Barthel, Sloane Stevens, Kirilenko, Pironkova, and of course Woz and Radwanska (who we may actually worry about less). But you would think if Petra is focused on winning (and has any semblance of the form she's shown recently) she should win, yes! Knock on wood. And keep your fingers crossed. But I certainly know what you mean!

Hey QPF. Believe it or not, if Petra wins New Haven (knock on wood with all humility) she'll be only 660 pts by Serena Williams for the #4 ranking.

Serena is currently 1130 pts ahead of Petra (winning New Haven is 470 pts). And if Petra can make any hay at the US Open (semi's for sure, or even 1/4's, depending on how Williams does), she can pass Serena for that #4 ranking. And keep in mind, Serena made it to the finals last year. So even if Serena wins, she would only gain 700 pts. And with Petra, since she lost in the first round last year, everything she gets past the first round at the Open is gravy.

This is important for tournament and Grand Slam Draws, as the Top 4 players are not scheduled to play another top 4 player until the semifinal. Yes, Petra could still face Serena. But Serena doesn't play every tournament. Plus, It's a crap shoot if Petra would player her, vs either playing Vika, Radwanska, Maria or Serena in the quarterfinals.

Speaking about Vika and Radwanska; I could be wrong. But with Radwanska and Vika ranked 1 and 2, chances are Petra WOULDN'T have to face Maria and Serena in the same half of the draw.

So it's possible, that Petra could face EITHER Maria or Serena in the quarterfinals, then Vika or Radwanksa in the semifinals (if either got that far of course). And believe or not, I actually thinks it's a good thing for Petra's chances (if she plays that well of course). I do, because historically Masha hasn't done well at the US Open-and she hasn't played any warm up tournaments to boot (along with Petra's better play). And you never know with Serena and her health and performances, particularly in the recent summer hard court season.

So if Petra DOES win New Haven, and get's some confidence; not only would she had WON that tournament, but she would also have a legitimate chance to win the US Open, I think.

Now of course, Petra has had these chances before and blown them (2011 FO, 2012 Aussie Open, etc.). But hopefully THIS time and year will be a charm, when many wouldn't expect it.

That would be so much like Petra, wouldn't it. :)

Excelscior
Aug 21st, 2012, 03:42 PM
At some point, you'd think her team would wake up and maybe consult a North American doctor who has treated serious cases similar to hers in the same region of the world. It's not like she can't afford to consult other experts than Dr. Pikola on her own dime, although it is tempting to pass off the costs to VZP the Czech national health insurance company. :rolleyes:

Some people are so f'n cheap!!!! It's unbelievable!!! :lol:

It would be nice to learn she has already done this. Could be why she's having better results. ;)


:worship: Queen Petra is resting up and getting ready to strike!!! The NH title is on her racquet!!! :worship:

PS: QPF

Is this really true QPF (Petra was using her small town/regular doctor to prescribe her asthma medication in America)?

If so, then it just goes to show that Petra and her team really don't treat her like a top flight player.

There are times when you have to throw money to the wind. I know Lil Ole Me was screaming last year "just consult a local American/Canadian or Nationally prominent specialist in North America, that knows the local air to help you Petra!!!"

Duh! :help: :oh: :help:

I'm sure you and others felt the same!

The irony is Petra could still use her Czech doc if she wanted to (and it was that important to her), but in consultation with an American one. And if the Czech Government didn't pay for it. So be it!

Double Duh! :confused:

Keystone Cops I tell you (if this is true)!!

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 21st, 2012, 03:53 PM
It's funny you say this/that QPF (though Bruce and I were talking about Petra in a Czech Republic deep freeze. Not in America). :lol:

Nonetheless, you brought up a good point that I screamed about in the past. "Why not just consult local allergist, Pulmonologist, etc., in the area (either the North East on a whole, and/or which ever local area you enter)?" I agree.

And apparently, she may have, cause ESPN claimed Petra has a new inhaler, which apparently works better.

I don't know, cause ESPN didn't go into detail. But if that's the case, good for her. And like you QPF, I agree. If she would of had a specialist in North America, she may have come to this solution a lot sooner.


:bounce: Amen! This is music to my ears! :bounce:

:worship: Queen Petra: More air, more win!!! :worship:

Excelscior
Aug 21st, 2012, 04:00 PM
:bounce: Amen! This is music to my ears! :bounce:

:worship: Queen Petra: More air, more win!!! :worship:

Maybe/I hope!!??

Just keep in mind, ESPN is the same group that said Petra was 1-11 against top 100 ranked Left handers, when the reality is the farthest thing from the truth. :oh:

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 21st, 2012, 04:30 PM
A couple of things QPF after reading your post, before I forget. Lol

1) You know, even if Kotyza's went to Cincinnati or he's in New Haven, all he had/has to do is stay in the hotel and/or tell Petra (whether he was in the Arena or not) "I'm not going to coach you or go over strategy. You're on your own".

If he said it, that could of placed Petra in the right independent mindset even with him present. Cause let's be honest; he's already there. She can't send him home back to the Czech Republic. :lol:

2) It's funny brought up the field in New Haven. The first thing I thought when Paulmara mentioned Petra's first opponent was this. "If this chick is really ranked in the 300's, should we worry if Petra doesn't win 6-0 6-0? :lol: Cause there is no way if Petra is focused and concentrating, that she should lose a game to a 300+ ranked player (unless they're some young phenom on the upswing no one knows about). But still. :lol:

A couple of notes:

If Petra makes the semifinals of New Haven (which is only winning two matches); she wins the US Open Series that she blew by not making the finals in Cincinnati. She's only 15 pts behind Li Na (185 to 170 pts).

Back to your initial question. Yes, looking at the field you would think Petra would/should win. And I hope she does.

Of course there are names that catch your attention like Bartoli, Barthel, Sloane Stevens, Kirilenko, Pironkova, and of course Woz and Radwanska (who we may actually worry about less). But you would think if Petra is focused on winning (and has any semblance of the form she's shown recently) she should win, yes! Knock on wood. And keep your fingers crossed. But I certainly know what you mean!

Hey QPF. Believe it or not, if Petra wins New Haven (knock on wood with all humility) she'll be only 660 pts by Serena Williams for the #4 ranking.

Serena is currently 1130 pts ahead of Petra (winning New Haven is 470 pts). And if Petra can make any hay at the US Open (semi's for sure, or even 1/4's, depending on how Williams does), she can pass Serena for that #4 ranking. And keep in mind, Serena made it to the finals last year. So even if Serena wins, she would only gain 700 pts. And with Petra, since she lost in the first round last year, everything she gets past the first round at the Open is gravy.

This is important for tournament and Grand Slam Draws, as the Top 4 players are not scheduled to play another top 4 player until the semifinal. Yes, Petra could still face Serena. But Serena doesn't play every tournament. Plus, It's a crap shoot if Petra would player her, vs either playing Vika, Radwanska, Maria or Serena in the quarterfinals.

Speaking about Vika and Radwanska; I could be wrong. But with Radwanska and Vika ranked 1 and 2, chances are Petra WOULDN'T have to face Maria and Serena in the same half of the draw.

So it's possible, that Petra could face EITHER Maria or Serena in the quarterfinals, then Vika or Radwanksa in the semifinals (if either got that far of course). And believe or not, I actually thinks it's a good thing for Petra's chances (if she plays that well of course). I do, because historically Masha hasn't done well at the US Open-and she hasn't played any warm up tournaments to boot (along with Petra's better play). And you never know with Serena and her health and performances, particularly in the recent summer hard court season.

So if Petra DOES win New Haven, and get's some confidence; not only would she had WON that tournament, but she would also have a legitimate chance to win the US Open, I think.

Now of course, Petra has had these chances before and blown them (2011 FO, 2012 Aussie Open, etc.). But hopefully THIS time and year will be a charm, when many wouldn't expect it.

That would be so much like Petra, wouldn't it. :)


Hi Ex,

Have you ever noticed how distant and stonefaced Lendl is at Andy Murray's matches? They practice and train during the week and talk strategy the night before. The day of the match Andy needs to step on court and confidently execute the plan. If he needs to find focus or figure out a Plan B it's up to him. No babying. I wish Kotyza would use a tough love approach like this with Petra a little more. Frankly, I think it would help her mature faster as a player.

In regards to your points and standings comments, I boil things down to my feeling that Petra needs to stay busier and sharper and adapt Caro's old strategy of racking up easy points by winning more smaller tournaments during the year. The big difference between the two of them being that Petra has big tournament win capability just oozing out of her whereas poor Caro can only dream about it. You tell me, applying Caro's strategy, how long would it take Petra to rack up points and get into nipping at the heels distance to Vika and the other top 'dogs' (no pun intended - :lol:)?

If this strategy works and Petra gets her mojo back, and stays healthy of course, I think the next four months are going to get damn interesting. ;)

It was strange how Petra reacted to the pressure of the grass season, it didn't help her at all. She really tightened up. Now it's very interesting because when people aren't expecting squat from her, all of a sudden she's coming alive! Mercurial. It's the perfect word for our girl. Now, I want to see her ride this newest wave all the way to the hardcourts of the YEC!!! :bounce:

:worship: Queen Petra: More air, more wins!!! :worship:

bruce goose
Aug 21st, 2012, 04:33 PM
PS: QPF

Is this really true QPF (Petra was using her small town/regular doctor to prescribe her asthma medication in America)?

If so, then it just goes to show that Petra and her team really don't treat her like a top flight player.

There are times when you have to throw money to the wind. I know Lil Ole Me was screaming last year "just consult a local American/Canadian or Nationally prominent specialist in North America, that knows the local air to help you Petra!!!"

Duh! :help: :oh: :help:

I'm sure you and others felt the same!

The irony is Petra could still use her Czech doc if she wanted to (and it was that important to her), but in consultation with an American one. And if the Czech Government didn't pay for it. So be it!

Double Duh! :confused:

Keystone Cops I tell you (if this is true)!!Actually,Ex,'Dr.Bernard Pikola' is an invention that I came up with a little while ago...with Paul's help."Pikola" is the Czech word for 'fife',the musical instrument,and Bernard is the proper name for the nickname Barney.......Hence,Dr.Barney Fife,since he's on Petra's medical team and NOT in law enforcement...with the implication that Petra's medical team is comprised of small-town hicks,based on that poor treatment/preparation that you referred to earlier:lol:

Excelscior
Aug 21st, 2012, 04:51 PM
Actually,Ex,'Dr.Bernard Pikola' is an invention that I came up with a little while ago...with Paul's help."Pikola" is the Czech word for 'fife',the musical instrument,and Bernard is the proper name for the nickname Barney.......Hence,Dr.Barney Fife,since he's on Petra's medical team and NOT in law enforcement...with the implication that Petra's medical team is comprised of small-town hicks,based on that poor treatment/preparation that you referred to earlier:lol:

Oh. OK. Kool. :lol:

Nonetheless, we do know that she used a Czech doctor the past few years to deal with her asthma, instead of using or consulting with an American/North American one :oh:

I know Petra loves her beautiful country and everything Czech. But sometimes you have to think outside the box or look afar, if you want to be the best in the world (or even one of the worlds best), especially in someone else's habitat

Excelscior
Aug 21st, 2012, 06:37 PM
Hi Ex,

Have you ever noticed how distant and stonefaced Lendl is at Andy Murray's matches? They practice and train during the week and talk strategy the night before. The day of the match Andy needs to step on court and confidently execute the plan. If he needs to find focus or figure out a Plan B it's up to him. No babying. I wish Kotyza would use a tough love approach like this with Petra a little more. Frankly, I think it would help her mature faster as a player.

In regards to your points and standings comments, I boil things down to my feeling that Petra needs to stay busier and sharper and adapt Caro's old strategy of racking up easy points by winning more smaller tournaments during the year. The big difference between the two of them being that Petra has big tournament win capability just oozing out of her whereas poor Caro can only dream about it. You tell me, applying Caro's strategy, how long would it take Petra to rack up points and get into nipping at the heels distance to Vika and the other top 'dogs' (no pun intended - :lol:)?

If this strategy works and Petra gets her mojo back, and stays healthy of course, I think the next four months are going to get damn interesting. ;)

It was strange how Petra reacted to the pressure of the grass season, it didn't help her at all. She really tightened up. Now it's very interesting because when people aren't expecting squat from her, all of a sudden she's coming alive! Mercurial. It's the perfect word for our girl. Now, I want to see her ride this newest wave all the way to the hardcourts of the YEC!!! :bounce:

:worship: Queen Petra: More air, more wins!!! :worship:

Yeah, I have with Lendl.

Most of the time he doesn't even show up, unless it's a major or convenient for him to be present.

They're several reasons for this of course. One, is he's rich and comfortable and wasn't sure how much his commitment would be to coaching (which he hadn't done before). Two, Murray has been a top player for a long time. 3) Cause Lendl knows Murray needs not to be baby'd at his level.

Petra has not been a top player as long as Murray. However, it could be a case where the pupil has outgrown the teacher in Kotyza. And Petra may indeed need to lay off the nipple a bit and perform more on her own.

Now in fairness to Kotyza, is goes both ways sometimes. Remember Sydney 2012? Petra was blitzing Na. Then Na got coaching and did better. Meanwhile, Petra didn't receive coaching (for the upcoming Ozzie Open, Petra decided not to), and she lost! Also in Fed Cup 2011, Petra was down 0-3 to Kutznetsova, and Peter Pala (sorry if I messed up the spelling) told Petra "it's only one break; you can do it", and it inspired her and she won 6 games in a row and the match. So Petra's not always devoid of coaching situations, though I know what you mean. :lol:

Hmmmhh. The pressure of the grass season (and in general). I find that interesting. Doesn't Petra realize that whether she handles the pressure well or not, she's going to get criticized when she loses unexpectedly? That's why I feel she should just embrace the challenge and let the nerves translate into excitement. Cause either way, you're going to get criticized, so you might as well enjoy it and perform your best.

Okay, the tourney schedule. I do agree with you that Petra should stay sharp and balanced, and not always just play the biggest events. Obviously last year, Paris Indoors, Linz and Eastbourne were essential (more so the last two) in Petra's development and winning larger tournaments, such as Wimbledon and the YEC. Agreed.

It appears Kotyza and team would like to manage Petra's schedule a little more carefully. The tricky part is of course, if they knew Petra were consistent event to event to event, they would only put her in the biggest tournaments to get proper rest in between. However, if Petra's injured or get's knocked out early, then she's screwed (with out adequate match play). This is especially the case if it's a change of surface and Petra has little prep time in a WTA event-where she has a bye and is playing a tricky top 40 type player in her first match that she can lose to. Personally, I think there should be a situational balance between the two approaches. And Petra should never play beneath a Premier Level tournament (unless it's a reputable one), and she absolutely needs it, such as Linz last year, preceding the YEC.

However, confidence wise, absolutely I agree. Winning a Montreal (though it's a big tournament, 2 of the top 4 didn't show up), Linz, Brisbane and Eatbourne did wonders for her game and confidence. And Petra shouldn't always overlook such tournaments and view them as beneath her, especially when her game is shoddy and/or she hasn't played for a while.

And yes, this method can get Petra more ranking points, mojo and upcoming hardcourt wins for the rest of the year, and put her in good steed for the YEC indeed.

You said it. Petra's mercurial! And it wouldn't shock me in the least, as I've said many times (knock on wooden tennis racket again), if Petra won the US Open this year. Not at all!

That's Petra!! :help:

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 21st, 2012, 08:49 PM
Yeah, I have with Lendl.

Most of the time he doesn't even show up, unless it's a major or convenient for him to be present.

They're several reasons for this of course. One, is he's rich and comfortable and wasn't sure how much his commitment would be to coaching (which he hadn't done before). Two, Murray has been a top player for a long time. 3) Cause Lendl knows Murray needs not to be baby'd at his level.

Petra has not been a top player as long as Murray. However, it could be a case where the pupil has outgrown the teacher in Kotyza. And Petra may indeed need to lay off the nipple a bit and perform more on her own.

Now in fairness to Kotyza, is goes both ways sometimes. Remember Sydney 2012? Petra was blitzing Na. Then Na got coaching and did better. Meanwhile, Petra didn't receive coaching (for the upcoming Ozzie Open, Petra decided not to), and she lost! Also in Fed Cup 2011, Petra was down 0-3 to Kutznetsova, and Peter Pala (sorry if I messed up the spelling) told Petra "it's only one break; you can do it", and it inspired her and she won 6 games in a row and the match. So Petra's not always devoid of coaching situations, though I know what you mean. :lol:

Hmmmhh. The pressure of the grass season (and in general). I find that interesting. Doesn't Petra realize that whether she handles the pressure well or not, she's going to get criticized when she loses unexpectedly? That's why I feel she should just embrace the challenge and let the nerves translate into excitement. Cause either way, you're going to get criticized, so you might as well enjoy it and perform your best.

Okay, the tourney schedule. I do agree with you that Petra should stay sharp and balanced, and not always just play the biggest events. Obviously last year, Paris Indoors, Linz and Eastbourne were essential (more so the last two) in Petra's development and winning larger tournaments, such as Wimbledon and the YEC. Agreed.

It appears Kotyza and team would like to manage Petra's schedule a little more carefully. The tricky part is of course, if they knew Petra were consistent event to event to event, they would only put her in the biggest tournaments to get proper rest in between. However, if Petra's injured or get's knocked out early, then she's screwed (with out adequate match play). This is especially the case if it's a change of surface and Petra has little prep time in a WTA event-where she has a bye and is playing a tricky top 40 type player in her first match that she can lose to. Personally, I think there should be a situational balance between the two approaches. And Petra should never play beneath a Premier Level tournament (unless it's a reputable one), and she absolutely needs it, such as Linz last year, preceding the YEC.

However, confidence wise, absolutely I agree. Winning a Montreal (though it's a big tournament, 2 of the top 4 didn't show up), Linz, Brisbane and Eatbourne did wonders for her game and confidence. And Petra shouldn't always overlook such tournaments and view them as beneath her, especially when her game is shoddy and/or she hasn't played for a while.

And yes, this method can get Petra more ranking points, mojo and upcoming hardcourt wins for the rest of the year, and put her in good steed for the YEC indeed.

You said it. Petra's mercurial! And it wouldn't shock me in the least, as I've said many times (knock on wooden tennis racket again), if Petra won the US Open this year. Not at all!

That's Petra!! :help:


I really feel she took on the extra tournament because she badly wants to be sharp enough to make a deep run at The Open.

I think going the whole year so far without winning a GS has been secretly very bitter for Petra. I think she's extremely disappointed with herself. The US Open is her last chance to fix that. Obviously, she's doing everything she can to get as in form as possible before she takes on the big 'dogs' of the WTA. She wants this badly.

If she comes in properly tuned up and motivated, she's got a great chance at shocking the world, but not us. ;)


:worship: Queen Petra: More air, more wins!!! :worship:

steni
Aug 22nd, 2012, 03:21 AM
No,Steni is NOT 'ILK',she is a chica latina(costariccense),but I agree with you that she was out of line in this case.The oddity is that Peng is actually attractive...and I'm not even drawn to Asian gals,normally.Steni needs a spanking from a strong Mexican male,probably....though that might backfire if she ENJOYS the spanking:p.Honestly,though,we may even discuss it privately between the two of us.I've made some bad mistakes myself,but we don't want Petra's forum to have such a nasty current to it as that reflects poorly on the Lioness herself

Mae dejate de payasadas!

lol es costarricense!

TennisAddict84
Aug 22nd, 2012, 04:36 AM
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I really feel she took on the extra tournament because she badly wants to be sharp enough to make a deep run at The Open.

I think going the whole year so far without winning a GS has been secretly very bitter for Petra. I think she's extremely disappointed with herself. The US Open is her last chance to fix that. Obviously, she's doing everything she can to get as in form as possible before she takes on the big 'dogs' of the WTA. She wants this badly.

If she comes in properly tuned up and motivated, she's got a great chance at shocking the world, but not us. ;)


:worship: Queen Petra: More air, more wins!!! :worship:

Completely agree w/ you. Just judging by her post match interviews at Cincy, she seems eager and hungry to make something happen at USO. I really liked her attitude after her loss to Kerber in the SF--the fact that she felt she SHOULD HAVE still won the match, despite playing so crappy, which shows that Petra's feeling confident ATM. So with NH, I think she's just trying to be as prepared and confident as possible heading into USO.

bruce goose
Aug 22nd, 2012, 05:35 AM
Mae dejate de payasadas!

lol es costarricense!Fue error de dedos:p....y te desmayaste y dormiste MUY bien despues de recibir tu beso "cancion de cuna":hehehe:

bruce goose
Aug 22nd, 2012, 05:45 AM
Okay,best case scenario is that Petra has an easy time with Gibbs...and then faces Lucie instead of Zheng in the QFs...where sweet Lucie 'takes one for the Czech team':p and doesn't make it too hard for Petra to get that bonus.After THAT,if AYE were Petra's coach,I'd insist that she make things look professional for the paying NH fans yet NOT put herself out vs. Errani or Bartoli in the semis.Petra will be in her FIFTH STRAIGHT WEEK of tennis if she reaches the 2nd week at the USO,so every few extra days of rest will be crucial to her not collapsing at the end of this run

steni
Aug 22nd, 2012, 05:52 AM
Completely agree w/ you. Just judging by her post match interviews at Cincy, she seems eager and hungry to make something happen at USO. I really liked her attitude after her loss to Kerber in the SF--the fact that she felt she SHOULD HAVE still won the match, despite playing so crappy, which shows that Petra's feeling confident ATM. So with NH, I think she's just trying to be as prepared and confident as possible heading into USO.

Maybe Petra is feeling more comfortable as a top player after all. She doesnt look too shy lately. She hasnt lose to a scrub in a while, if I have good memory she just lost in the first round in two tournaments this year, she is adjusting pretty well I guess, besides injuries and BS. I hope she can eventually beat Sharapova or Serena so maybe her eager and hungry like you said, can grow even more!

ArcticMoose
Aug 22nd, 2012, 05:54 AM
Fue error de dedos:p....y te desmayaste y dormiste MUY bien despues de recibir tu beso "cancion de cuna":hehehe:
:p for those trying to deciphers this lovers title tattle : Error was fingers .... and you passed out and slept very well steni;) after receiving your kiss "lullaby":hysteric:

steni
Aug 22nd, 2012, 06:03 AM
:p for those trying to deciphers this lovers title tattle : Error was fingers .... and you passed out and slept very well steni;) after receiving your kiss "lullaby":hysteric:

Haha you and goose are very delusional

bruce goose
Aug 22nd, 2012, 02:44 PM
Haha you and goose are very delusionalWell,this whole forum is a witness to how tranquil you became a few days ago after I promised to take care of you:hehehe:.As for Moose,Mr.Crappy Translator:lol:,I could never come CLOSE to his level of chemically-induced delusion.In Paul's case,he gets reflective and creatively inspired when he goes on his Mushroom trips;Moose belongs to that OTHER group of marijuana & mushroom users who get loud and stupid and wind up doing something like urinating in public somewhere:lol:....and then the police smack him around to sober him up and haul him off to jail for the night where some large inmate terrifies him with untoward advances...after which Moose tells himself that he won't get high anymore...a promise that lasts a couple days,at most:p

On a somewhat more relevant topic;),it's ironic that,on the surface that she was known to dread the most,US HCs,Petra is now on the verge of winning the USO Series:cool:

mikireturns
Aug 23rd, 2012, 12:57 AM
Petra spanking Gibbs and I have been waiting for this match-up because let me tell you something about Little Miss Princess Gibbs:
I was courtside to watch Gibbs play a qualifying match against Olga Savchuk at the Bank of the West Classic at Taube Center at Stanford in 2010, and NEVER, in years of watching the pro game (in person or on TV) have I witnessed a more ill-behaved little b*tch than Nicole Gibbs. She treated her opponent, the ballkids, EVERYONE like complete shit. No one could believe her arrogant and rude demeanor. Called the ballkids idiots, pranced around like a total privileged princess. Gave dirty looks to Olga and made snide remarks when Olga hit winners. Snotty, catty, wicked little witch-on-wheels. She was indeed on her university's home turf, but I could not believe how poorly she represented her school. Came across as a spoiled, graceless little rich kid and everyone else did not deserve to breathe the same air as she did. I don't think anyone at that match ever forgot how deplorable her behavior was. It was pure joy when Olga kicked her ass and she left the court in a huff.

One would hope that she was just having a REAL bad day, but again, I've never seen worse behavior (esp. from a nobody just starting out, and one with lots of privileges), but you really got the undeniable sense that THIS was the girl's already-formed personality. One of the most uncomfortable scenes I have ever witnessed in tennis. She should have been penalized for the way she treated the ballkids alone, much less her foul language and demeanor.

Kick. Her. Ass. Petra.

TennisAddict84
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:14 AM
Petra spanking Gibbs and I have been waiting for this match-up because let me tell you something about Little Miss Princess Gibbs:
I was courtside to watch Gibbs play a qualifying match against Olga Savchuk at the Bank of the West Classic at Taube Center at Stanford in 2010, and NEVER, in years of watching the pro game (in person or on TV) have I witnessed a more ill-behaved little b*tch than Nicole Gibbs. She treated her opponent, the ballkids, EVERYONE like complete shit. No one could believe her arrogant and rude demeanor. Called the ballkids idiots, pranced around like a total privileged princess. Gave dirty looks to Olga and made snide remarks when Olga hit winners. Snotty, catty, wicked little witch-on-wheels. She was indeed on her university's home turf, but I could not believe how poorly she represented her school. Came across as a spoiled, graceless little rich kid and everyone else did not deserve to breathe the same air as she did. I don't think anyone at that match ever forgot how deplorable her behavior was. It was pure joy when Olga kicked her ass and she left the court in a huff.

One would hope that she was just having a REAL bad day, but again, I've never seen worse behavior (esp. from a nobody just starting out, and one with lots of privileges), but you really got the undeniable sense that THIS was the girl's already-formed personality. One of the most uncomfortable scenes I have ever witnessed in tennis. She should have been penalized for the way she treated the ballkids alone, much less her foul language and demeanor.

Kick. Her. Ass. Petra.

wow...never heard of a player acting that extreme before...her ass should get double bageled

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:19 AM
Petra spanking Gibbs and I have been waiting for this match-up because let me tell you something about Little Miss Princess Gibbs:
I was courtside to watch Gibbs play a qualifying match against Olga Savchuk at the Bank of the West Classic at Taube Center at Stanford in 2010, and NEVER, in years of watching the pro game (in person or on TV) have I witnessed a more ill-behaved little b*tch than Nicole Gibbs. She treated her opponent, the ballkids, EVERYONE like complete shit. No one could believe her arrogant and rude demeanor. Called the ballkids idiots, pranced around like a total privileged princess. Gave dirty looks to Olga and made snide remarks when Olga hit winners. Snotty, catty, wicked little witch-on-wheels. She was indeed on her university's home turf, but I could not believe how poorly she represented her school. Came across as a spoiled, graceless little rich kid and everyone else did not deserve to breathe the same air as she did. I don't think anyone at that match ever forgot how deplorable her behavior was. It was pure joy when Olga kicked her ass and she left the court in a huff.

One would hope that she was just having a REAL bad day, but again, I've never seen worse behavior (esp. from a nobody just starting out, and one with lots of privileges), but you really got the undeniable sense that THIS was the girl's already-formed personality. One of the most uncomfortable scenes I have ever witnessed in tennis. She should have been penalized for the way she treated the ballkids alone, much less her foul language and demeanor.

Kick. Her. Ass. Petra.

Well, Petra has already given up 6 games in this match, and 4 during the second set. The score is currently 6-2 5-4, and they're on serve.

Unless Paulmara attributed the wrong ranking to Gibbs, I'm not sure what to make out of Petra being on serve in a 5-4 match vs someone ranked that low.

We can't see it, so we don't know what's really going on (Petra has already missed two match points). But if Petra is serious, she should give up no more than 3 games in this match, no matter how hard Gibbs tries or how snotty and bratty she is. :help:

Let's hope she wins in straight sets at 2 and 4. :tape:

And Petra did 6-2 6-4 in 1hr 14 min.

Petra converted 5/11 break points. With a player like this the ratio should of been even higher. Petra got broken herself as well, which is probably the reason she gave up 4 games in the second set.

Hopefully, Gibbs was one of those annoying backboard players that can make a match messy.

Yawn/Onward!

steni
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:20 AM
I saw a video of Gibbs she isnt too bad, and it seems for the score so far that Petra isnt playing great, but well enough to beat this girl

TennisAddict84
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:25 AM
Well, Petra has already given up 6 games in this match, and 4 during the second set. The score is currently 6-2 5-4, and they're on serve.

Unless Paulmara attributed the wrong ranking to Gibbs, I'm not sure what to make out of Petra being on serve in a 5-4 match vs someone ranked that low.

We can't see it, so we don't know what's really going on (Petra has already missed two match points). But if Petra is serious, she should give up no more than 3 games in this match, no matter how hard Gibbs tries or how snotty and bratty she is. :help:

Let's hope she wins in straight sets at 2 and 4. :tape:

I was thinking the same thing. I wish Petra would just come on the court aiming to double bagel whoever is across the net. I wanna see a ruthless Petra not giving away any points.

steni
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:26 AM
2morrow's match is gonna be interesting... Petra isn't too great against friends!

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:28 AM
I saw a video of Gibbs she isnt too bad, and it seems for the score so far that Petra isnt playing great, but well enough to beat this girl

So it appears. :lol:

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:29 AM
2morrow's match is gonna be interesting... Petra isn't too great against friends!

Is she playing Safarova?

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:44 AM
I was thinking the same thing. I wish Petra would just come on the court aiming to double bagel whoever is across the net. I wanna see a ruthless Petra not giving away any points.

The only excuse or guess I could have for this scoreline that's acceptable, is if Petra was practicing different shots and her serve during this match against this type of opponent. I've seen her do that in the past against inferior opponents. Hopefully she did this time, in lieu of the US Open.

Nonetheless, Petra had 2 aces and 4 DF's in this match. :lol:

Oh and excuse me guys. Petra was actually broken 2X in this match (earlier I said once), and Gibbs actually saved most of her BP against Petra (6/11).

Petra only saved 1/3 of her own BP against her guys. SMH

Like I said, maybe Petra was practicing stuff for the latter rounds or the upcoming US Open. So I can't definitively admonish her here.

Anyway, she's playing one of her Czech friends tomorrow. I shudder to think what mindset Petra will be in, coming off this charitable match, if she WASN'T practicing her shots. :help:

I don't want to hear any excuses or see any pregame tweets about how hard it is to play a friend again!! :smash: :banghead: :smash:

TennisAddict84
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:50 AM
The only excuse or guess I could have for this scoreline that's acceptable, is if Petra was practicing different shots and her serve during this match against this type of opponent. I've seen her do that in the past against inferior opponents. Hopefully she did this time, in lieu of the US Open.

Nonetheless, Petra had 2 aces and 4 DF's in this match. :lol:

Oh and excuse me guys. Petra was actually broken 2X in this match (earlier I said once), and Gibbs actually saved most of her BP against Petra (6/11).

Petra only saved 1/3 of her own BP against her guys. SMH

Like I said, maybe Petra was practicing stuff for the latter rounds or the upcoming US Open. So I can't definitively admonish her here.

Anyway, she's playing one of her Czech friends tomorrow. I shudder to think what mindset Petra will be in, coming off this charitable match, if she WASN'T practicing her shots. :help:

I don't want to hear any excuses or see any pregame tweets about how hard it is to play a friend again!! :smash: :banghead: :smash:

Petra's been having so much trouble w/ her serve and BP opportunities all season long. She really needs to clean this up if she wants to be a serious threat to win USO.

She better come out guns blazing tomorrow night against Lucie...

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 02:21 AM
Petra's been having so much trouble w/ her serve and BP opportunities all season long. She really needs to clean this up if she wants to be a serious threat to win USO.

She better come out guns blazing tomorrow night against Lucie...

If Petra is truly serious about winning the US Open as she, you and QPF alluded to recently, then she should just come out and ROLL Safarova tomorrow; then they can kiss and cry after.

If Petra can't do that, then she truly doesn't get what it is to be a professional and what it takes preparing/building towards a goal like the US Open and improving her overall game.

Petra's game is what's most important when she steps on the court, not her friendships. They can be friends before and after the match!

I guarantee you the oft criticized, overlooked and under appreciated Safarova, is going to come out as hard as possible to beat her younger more decorated countrywomen and attempt to take no prisoners. She Don't Care!!! Lucie can always tell Petra "I beat you the only time we played. I'm the REAL Czech #1"!!!

Hopefully Petra realizes, appreciates and responds to this.

OK, I'm done now.

Go Petra! :lol: :dog: :lol:

TennisAddict84
Aug 23rd, 2012, 02:27 AM
If Petra is truly serious about winning the US Open as she, you and QPF alluded to recently, then she should just come out and ROLL Safarova tomorrow; then they can kiss and cry after.

If Petra can't do that, then she truly doesn't get what it is to be a professional and what it takes preparing/building towards a goal like the US Open and improving her overall game.

Petra's game is what's most important when she steps on the court, not her friendships. They can be friends before and after the match!

I guarantee you the oft criticized, overlooked and under appreciated Safarova, is going to come out as hard as possible to beat her younger more decorated countrywomen and attempt to take no prisoners. She Don't Care!!!

Hopefully Petra realizes, appreciates and responds to this.

OK, I'm done now.

Go Petra! :lol: :dog: :lol:

Yep, completely agree w/ all of this. We'll see tomorrow night just HOW hungry Petra is about winning titles again.

If she has any respect for Lucie at all as a player, then Petra needs to be ready from the get go and not underestimate her.

Please do not let this be a repeat of the Madrid disaster :facepalm:

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 02:43 AM
Yep, completely agree w/ all of this. We'll see tomorrow night just HOW hungry Petra is about winning titles again.

If she has any respect for Lucie at all as a player, then Petra needs to be ready from the get go and not underestimate her.

Please do not let this be a repeat of the Madrid disaster :facepalm:

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing (the Madrid Disaster), and feared what could happen if Safarova won and they had to play each other. Now it's here.

Hopefully, Petra is all business during the match and wins; then they can drown in their sorrows at the local Yale bar. :sad:

PS: Petra just can't play hard. She has to play well.

A hard played shit fest, is still a shit fest!!

And to make it worse (though I could be wrong), this match probably won't be televised. So you may have to suffer with Livescore in a potential crapfest.

mac47
Aug 23rd, 2012, 03:05 AM
Lucie is very nearly Petra's equal in the ball striking and talent department. Petra's edge is in her fight and mentality.

Still, I have a very bad feeling about this match.

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 03:14 AM
Lucie is very nearly Petra's equal in the ball striking and talent department. Petra's edge is in her fight and mentality.

Still, I have a very bad feeling about this match.

I had a bad feeling earlier to, when I thought about the match tomorrow. :eek:

Hopefully, Petra can put all friend/national stuff aside, and just play her match.

As far as talent: Though they both have what can be perceived as similar skills, I think Petra's definitively more talented.

She's taller, faster, has more touch, a better serve, a much better return, etc.....

Now saying all that, if this match is lost tomorrow by Petra, it's lost in the heart and the head!! :lol: :confused: :lol:

Not sure if tomorrows match will be streamed. ESPN2 will show the 1pm match, but of course that went to New Haven Queen Caroline Wozniaki (plus Petra would of played at night previously).

Lucie and Petra will play tomorrow on C. Court at 7pm.

I know what you mean about your feeling about the match though.

You almost think sometimes, that Petra would rather let her lesser ranked country women win since she's so much more successful than them, thinking she's helping them, and that she can afford to lose a match here or there for one of them. :help:

We hope not!! :eek:

steni
Aug 23rd, 2012, 03:31 AM
And to make it worse (though I could be wrong), this match probably won't be televised. So you may have to suffer with Livescore in a potential crapfest.

I think TennisTv is gonna have it...

steni
Aug 23rd, 2012, 03:41 AM
Lucie is very nearly Petra's equal in the ball striking and talent department. Petra's edge is in her fight and mentality.

Still, I have a very bad feeling about this match.

Me too, even more when I saw Lucie vs Zheng Jie match final score (6-4 6-0)

Rex59
Aug 23rd, 2012, 04:37 AM
If Petra is truly serious about winning the US Open as she, you and QPF alluded to recently, then she should just come out and ROLL Safarova tomorrow; then they can kiss and cry after.

If Petra can't do that, then she truly doesn't get what it is to be a professional and what it takes preparing/building towards a goal like the US Open and improving her overall game.

Petra's game is what's most important when she steps on the court, not her friendships. They can be friends before and after the match!

I guarantee you the oft criticized, overlooked and under appreciated Safarova, is going to come out as hard as possible to beat her younger more decorated countrywomen and attempt to take no prisoners. She Don't Care!!! Lucie can always tell Petra "I beat you the only time we played. I'm the REAL Czech #1"!!!

Hopefully Petra realizes, appreciates and responds to this.

OK, I'm done now.

Go Petra! :lol: :dog: :lol:


Well said. Kudos, including the reference to Lucie being under appreciated and overlooked, something that I believe Lucie is guilty of......self-disbelief. Reason why I think Lucie is not top-10, for she's better than Caroline, Aggie and Angelique, but she lacks the self-belief and I don't think she'll ever come to realize the game, talent and weapons she has.

Further, respecting Petra and Lucie didn't realize this is their lst meeting:

http://www.wtatennis.com/headtohead/lucie-safarova_2255881_9869/0,,12781~9869~13403,00.html

bruce goose
Aug 23rd, 2012, 04:58 AM
You almost think sometimes, that Petra would rather let her lesser ranked country women win since she's so much more successful than them, thinking she's helping them, and that she can afford to lose a match here or there for one of them. :help:

We hope not!! :eek:Well,if Petra wants that USO series bonus,she'll have to go thru her Czech teammate to get it.

Of course,if Petra decides that she won't let money dictate to her...and that she'd like to build the self-esteem of her FC running mate by taking it easy and letting her win.....so that Petra can get 2 extra days of rest in the process(almost 3 if she treats the match like a hitting session;))...then who am AYE to judge her:p:lol:

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 23rd, 2012, 05:45 AM
Petra spanking Gibbs and I have been waiting for this match-up because let me tell you something about Little Miss Princess Gibbs:
I was courtside to watch Gibbs play a qualifying match against Olga Savchuk at the Bank of the West Classic at Taube Center at Stanford in 2010, and NEVER, in years of watching the pro game (in person or on TV) have I witnessed a more ill-behaved little b*tch than Nicole Gibbs. She treated her opponent, the ballkids, EVERYONE like complete shit. No one could believe her arrogant and rude demeanor. Called the ballkids idiots, pranced around like a total privileged princess. Gave dirty looks to Olga and made snide remarks when Olga hit winners. Snotty, catty, wicked little witch-on-wheels. She was indeed on her university's home turf, but I could not believe how poorly she represented her school. Came across as a spoiled, graceless little rich kid and everyone else did not deserve to breathe the same air as she did. I don't think anyone at that match ever forgot how deplorable her behavior was. It was pure joy when Olga kicked her ass and she left the court in a huff.

One would hope that she was just having a REAL bad day, but again, I've never seen worse behavior (esp. from a nobody just starting out, and one with lots of privileges), but you really got the undeniable sense that THIS was the girl's already-formed personality. One of the most uncomfortable scenes I have ever witnessed in tennis. She should have been penalized for the way she treated the ballkids alone, much less her foul language and demeanor.

Kick. Her. Ass. Petra.


Wow! What a horrible story. I can't stand people like that! :eek:

I hope the little biatch gets her ass whooped and pops an achilles tendon! :help:

Just kidding (slightly) about that second part......:o


:worship: Queen Petra's 2012 NA HC Season Tour: More oxygen, more wins!!! :worship:

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 23rd, 2012, 05:53 AM
I was thinking the same thing. I wish Petra would just come on the court aiming to double bagel whoever is across the net. I wanna see a ruthless Petra not giving away any points.


Yep. Never lose your serve and fight double hard on break points. That's the way she needs to roll. :yeah:

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 23rd, 2012, 06:10 AM
Yep, completely agree w/ all of this. We'll see tomorrow night just HOW hungry Petra is about winning titles again.

If she has any respect for Lucie at all as a player, then Petra needs to be ready from the get go and not underestimate her. Please do not let this be a repeat of the Madrid disaster :facepalm:


Petra respects Lucie's game a lot and knows how dangerous she can be on a good day. As you said, Petra must be solid from the get go and finish strong.

Recently, Lucie lost a final set in a tournament in which she had a five point lead! She completely choked!!! I wonder how much that implosion has rocked her confidence, or at all? We'll see.

This time around, Petra should treat it like a US Open match and take care of business. She's got bigger guns (no pun intended-:lol:) than Lucie's and should overpower her if she serves well and keeps the ball between the lines.

I say Kvitty in two sets this time around.

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 23rd, 2012, 06:29 AM
Well,if Petra wants that USO series bonus,she'll have to go thru her Czech teammate to get it.

Of course,if Petra decides that she won't let money dictate to her...and that she'd like to build the self-esteem of her FC running mate by taking it easy and letting her win.....so that Petra can get 2 extra days of rest in the process(almost 3 if she treats the match like a hitting session;))...then who am AYE to judge her:p:lol:


You keep alluding to it BG (the Petra tanking and leaving early scenario) but I really hope she doesn't pull this stunt. This tournament (I realize it's not so important in the grand scheme of things) is SO for the taking and I would like to see her raise the trophy and snatch the easy points which would come with it.

She's only 22 and should be able to bounce back and play the Open. It's not like she's going to be playing doubles also like some of the greats used to do, and were able to do - which just goes to show you the subpar job Ivanko has been doing with Petra. If playing a short little tourny like NH drains her batteries so badly, she's got a lot of room for improvement in the conditioning department I would say. :o

BTW: Your Dr. Pikola joke was pretty funny!!!! :lol: Everytime I wrote a post about that guy I was saying to myself, "That's a strange name for a Czech. That doesn't sound Czech!" You got me buddy! :lol: Touché. :worship:


:worship: Queen Petra's 2012 NA HC Season Tour: More oxygen, more wins!!! :worship:

TennisAddict84
Aug 23rd, 2012, 07:13 AM
If Petra is truly serious about winning the US Open as she, you and QPF alluded to recently, then she should just come out and ROLL Safarova tomorrow; then they can kiss and cry after.

If Petra can't do that, then she truly doesn't get what it is to be a professional and what it takes preparing/building towards a goal like the US Open and improving her overall game.

Petra's game is what's most important when she steps on the court, not her friendships. They can be friends before and after the match!

I guarantee you the oft criticized, overlooked and under appreciated Safarova, is going to come out as hard as possible to beat her younger more decorated countrywomen and attempt to take no prisoners. She Don't Care!!! Lucie can always tell Petra "I beat you the only time we played. I'm the REAL Czech #1"!!!

Hopefully Petra realizes, appreciates and responds to this.

OK, I'm done now.

Go Petra! :lol: :dog: :lol:

Okay, found some answers about what happened. Petra had one of her lapses again. She was leading 4-1 in the 2nd set and let Gibbs come back to tie it 4-4. So the match really should've been 6-2, 6-1. Oh, and apparently Gibbs is a counter punching type player.

http://www.registercitizen.com/articles/2012/08/23/sports/doc5035c3a79780d500031991.txt?viewmode=default

ArcticMoose
Aug 23rd, 2012, 07:36 AM
wow...never heard of a player acting that extreme before...her ass should get double bageled
:sobbing::tape:Noooooooooo, you can't quote 'Fifty Shades of Grey' on TF:speakles: - the mods are going to have you!:hysteric:
(No more goody-two-shoes label for you:lol:)

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:04 PM
Okay, found some answers about what happened. Petra had one of her lapses again. She was leading 4-1 in the 2nd set and let Gibbs come back to tie it 4-4. So the match really should've been 6-2, 6-1. Oh, and apparently Gibbs is a counter punching type player.

http://www.registercitizen.com/articles/2012/08/23/sports/doc5035c3a79780d500031991.txt?viewmode=default

Wow, so this is exactly what we were saying (that Petra should of lost no more than 3 games the entire match, and must of been playing a defensive player or counterpuncher if she didn't-not that it's an excuse). And of course, she had a lapse to let Gibbs back. No excuse (unless she was practicing shots, for the latter rounds and/or the US Open).

Hopefully, she'll recollect and take care of business against Safarova. But sometimes you shudder to think how Petra will handle playing her countrywomen if she couldn't dust off a 300+ ranked player like she should ? :rolleyes:

bruce goose
Aug 23rd, 2012, 01:04 PM
You keep alluding to it BG (the Petra tanking and leaving early scenario) but I really hope she doesn't pull this stunt. This tournament (I realize it's not so important in the grand scheme of things) is SO for the taking and I would like to see her raise the trophy and snatch the easy points which would come with it.

She's only 22 and should be able to bounce back and play the Open. It's not like she's going to be playing doubles also like some of the greats used to do, and were able to do - which just goes to show you the subpar job Ivanko has been doing with Petra. If playing a short little tourny like NH drains her batteries so badly, she's got a lot of room for improvement in the conditioning department I would say. :o

BTW: Your Dr. Pikola joke was pretty funny!!!! :lol: Everytime I wrote a post about that guy I was saying to myself, "That's a strange name for a Czech. That doesn't sound Czech!" You got me buddy! :lol: Touché. :worship:


:worship: Queen Petra's 2012 NA HC Season Tour: More oxygen, more wins!!! :worship:With all due respect,QPF,you sound like a NON-athlete with some of your statements above,as if you were speaking from COMPLETE ignorance.Caro has been one of the fittest WTA players in recent years,and fans in her forum witnessed how exhausted she was at YEC from overplaying.Before you go on a humorous tangent insulting Caro to dismiss the argument:lol:,I'll cite the legendary Henin who was ALSO known for having great stamina and won lots of Slams,to boot.Why don't you ask a Henin fan or simply check the WTA archives on the website,and I'll bet you that Henin either NEVER or ALMOST never played FIVE TOURNAMENTS IN A ROW w/o rest.Considering the USO is a two-week Slam,that's what we're dealing with here.

On top of the normal challenge for even the FITTEST player--which Petra is generally not considered--she has her asthma concerns,too.Originally,asking for a NH WC was a decent idea...but,in retrospect,the dumb,small-town hick medical planning that we've laughed about seems to have carried over to her tourney scheduling,too.I'll be pleasantly shocked and will forever after drop the issue if Petra can maintain her stamina even into the 2nd week of the USO.It would be QUITE possible for Petra to make a credible effort at NH withOUT overexerting herself too much,and 95% of the fans in attendance wouldn't even be able to clearly tell that she was pulling back a little deliberately...that's different than just totally half-assing it out there where she wouldn't even go for shots.I'm almost positive that this scheduling will come back to haunt Petra in the 2nd week of the USO if she makes it there but,as a fan,I hope that I'm dead wrong on that:hatoff:.....Gotta run:wavey:

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 03:34 PM
With all due respect,QPF,you sound like a NON-athlete with some of your statements above,as if you were speaking from COMPLETE ignorance.Caro has been one of the fittest WTA players in recent years,and fans in her forum witnessed how exhausted she was at YEC from overplaying.Before you go on a humorous tangent insulting Caro to dismiss the argument:lol:,I'll cite the legendary Henin who was ALSO known for having great stamina and won lots of Slams,to boot.Why don't you ask a Henin fan or simply check the WTA archives on the website,and I'll bet you that Henin either NEVER or ALMOST never played FIVE TOURNAMENTS IN A ROW w/o rest.Considering the USO is a two-week Slam,that's what we're dealing with here.

On top of the normal challenge for even the FITTEST player--which Petra is generally not considered--she has her asthma concerns,too.Originally,asking for a NH WC was a decent idea...but,in retrospect,the dumb,small-town hick medical planning that we've laughed about seems to have carried over to her tourney scheduling,too.I'll be pleasantly shocked and will forever after drop the issue if Petra can maintain her stamina even into the 2nd week of the USO.It would be QUITE possible for Petra to make a credible effort at NH withOUT overexerting herself too much,and 95% of the fans in attendance wouldn't even be able to clearly tell that she was pulling back a little deliberately...that's different than just totally half-assing it out there where she wouldn't even go for shots.I'm almost positive that this scheduling will come back to haunt Petra in the 2nd week of the USO if she makes it there but,as a fan,I hope that I'm dead wrong on that:hatoff:.....Gotta run:wavey:

A lot of excellent points Bruce.

Now I'm not sure if it's a slam dunk, for or against Petra playing.

Lemme offer a few Caveats:

1) Just because Petra's not considered one of the most fittest players (compared to a Caro), it doesn't mean she's not physically fit to play extended matches.

The evidence was the second half of last year.

I didn't see Petra have any problems 2011 during three set matches, or ever getting tired as well.

2) I understand your point about Caro and Henin, playing 5 tournaments in a row. But I would add, that Petra plays a different brand of tennis than Caro (less physically taxing). I would also add that last year, Petra played both the semi-final and final of Eastbourne on a Sunday, then walked onto Wimbledon and played on Tuesday. As we know, Petra went on to win the title.

I understand Wimbledon is grass and not hardcourt. But even at the end of the year last year, Petra played Linz, the YEC and Fedcup to consecutive titles as well (after playing Beijing and Tokyo proceeding it, while considering rest during that time) when many wondered if she would be tired. Remember that?

And even now at New Haven, Petra's had 4 days rest before her first match last night. If she goes on to win, she would of only played 4 matches, with another 2-3 days in between her first match at the US Open; which should be an easy one (knock on wooden tennis racket). And she'll get a day off in between each match there. So under closer observation, it may sound worst than it actually is. But I guess we'll find out soon enough? :eek:

And just so you know Bruce, I thought Petra should of skipped New Haven if she would of won Cincy or even made it to the finals, myself.....But she didn't. :sad:

Now Petra is only 15pts behind Na for the US Open series lead. So even I am convinced she should play New Haven at the moment. And SHOOT, maybe even try to win the whole damn thing if she can (whether she gives or all or not). :lol:

Like Al Davis used to say "Just Win Baby!" :lol:

But good post.

bruce goose
Aug 23rd, 2012, 05:00 PM
A lot of excellent points Bruce.

Now I'm not sure if it's a slam dunk, for or against Petra playing.

Lemme offer a few Caveats:

1) Just because Petra's not considered one of the most fittest players (compared to a Caro), it doesn't mean she's not physically fit to play extended matches.

The evidence was the second half of last year.

I didn't see Petra have any problems 2011 during three set matches, or ever getting tired as well.

2) I understand your point about Caro and Henin, playing 5 tournaments in a row. But I would add, that Petra plays a different brand of tennis than Caro (less physically taxing). I would also add that last year, Petra played both the semi-final and final of Eastbourne on a Sunday, then walked onto Wimbledon and played on Tuesday. As we know, Petra went on to win the title.

I understand Wimbledon is grass and not hardcourt. But even at the end of the year last year, Petra played Linz, the YEC and Fedcup to consecutive titles as well (after playing Beijing and Tokyo proceeding it, while considering rest during that time) when many wondered if she would be tired. Remember that?

And even now at New Haven, Petra's had 4 days rest before her first match last night. If she goes on to win, she would of only played 4 matches, with another 2-3 days in between her first match at the US Open; which should be an easy one (knock on wooden tennis racket). And she'll get a day off in between each match there. So under closer observation, it may sound worst than it actually is. But I guess we'll find out soon enough? :eek:

And just so you know Bruce, I thought Petra should of skipped New Haven if she would of won Cincy or even made it to the finals, myself.....But she didn't. :sad:

Now Petra is only 15pts behind Na for the US Open series lead. So even I am convinced she should play New Haven at the moment. And SHOOT, maybe even try to win the whole damn thing if she can (whether she gives or all or not). :lol:

Like Al Davis used to say "Just Win Baby!" :lol:

But good post.Ex,there are some decent points above,but I'll take issue with two of them:

First,it wasn't really 4 days between Cincy and NH b/c you can't discount the travel day which is emotionally and psychologically wearisome for players even when it's not extremely long distance,and 3 days--or a single day in between slam matches--isn't going to negate the CUMULATIVE effect of going deep in several tourneys in a row w/o a week's rest.As you can verify,almost ZERO of the top players enter three tune-ups in a row prior to a Slam,and very,very few succeed in winning one with such a hectic schedule...there's absolutely no co-incidence there.

Also,I checked Petra's schedule that you referred to,and the situations aren't the same: Petra was bounced in her first match in Beijing so had almost one full week between that event and Linz.In addition,there was ANOTHER week off between Linz and YEC and,finally,FC doesn't begin until SATURDAY except for the smaller,regional playoffs,so Petra had almost one MORE week between YEC and FC.The circumstances don't compare,statistically,in terms of amount/lack of rest.....Thanks for your input:)...but this was a brief check-in---won't be back 'til late afternoon:wavey:

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 05:33 PM
Ex,there are some decent points above,but I'll take issue with two of them:

First,it wasn't really 4 days between Cincy and NH b/c you can't discount the travel day which is emotionally and psychologically wearisome for players even when it's not extremely long distance,and 3 days--or a single day in between slam matches--isn't going to negate the CUMULATIVE effect of going deep in several tourneys in a row w/o a week's rest.As you can verify,almost ZERO of the top players enter three tune-ups in a row prior to a Slam,and very,very few succeed in winning one with such a hectic schedule...there's absolutely no co-incidence there.

Also,I checked Petra's schedule that you referred to,and the situations aren't the same: Petra was bounced in her first match in Beijing so had almost one full week between that event and Linz.In addition,there was ANOTHER week off between Linz and YEC and,finally,FC doesn't begin until SATURDAY except for the smaller,regional playoffs,so Petra had almost one MORE week between YEC and FC.The circumstances don't compare,statistically,in terms of amount/lack of rest.....Thanks for your input:)...but this was a brief check-in---won't be back 'til late afternoon:wavey:

I can't agree with you on the first paragraph about top players historically taking the week before off (which is why I wanted Petra taking a rest and skipping New Haven in the first place) before a Slam.

However, Petra was already committed to this, and may have different reasons to play (staying in form, killing supposed NA demons once and for all, etc.).

As far as last year: I understand that those may not have been consecutive events, compared to what Petra's doing now. But that's still offset, by the fact that it was the end of the year, after a preponderance of tennis (and when it takes it's toll), at the end of the year when most top players feel the aches, hand pick their tournaments, and want to go home.

I know what you mean though.

We'll see?

paulmara
Aug 23rd, 2012, 05:51 PM
Wickmayer
Q
Parmentier
Krajicek
[WC] Gibbs
Cornet
Hercog
Kvitova

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 05:53 PM
Wickmayer
Q
Parmentier
Krajicek
[WC] Gibbs
Cornet
Hercog
Kvitova

Thanks Paulmara.

Would that be her first 5 possible opponents/matches in the quarter, your saying?

And who's in the half with her?

Thanks again.

paulmara
Aug 23rd, 2012, 05:55 PM
Who's in the half with her?
Bartoli / Pavluchenkova / Petkovic
Maria
Aza
Serena

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 06:09 PM
Bartoli / Pavluchenkova / Petkovic
Maria
Aza
Serena

Your telling me all these players are in the same half, and Radwanska has nobody again?

Is this like some type of recent Social Advancement for Radwanska at Wimbledon and the US Open by the WTA? :lol:

I hope this is not true.....Usually as soon as the draw in done there's confusion on who plays who, then it's corrected.

I hope that's the case now. But if not; Petra's just gotta do what she's gotta do, if/when she reaches the semi-finals. .

That's all. :lol:

TennisAddict84
Aug 23rd, 2012, 06:18 PM
:sobbing::tape:Noooooooooo, you can't quote 'Fifty Shades of Grey' on TF:speakles: - the mods are going to have you!:hysteric:
(No more goody-two-shoes label for you:lol:)

LOL...just telling it like it is!

paulmara
Aug 23rd, 2012, 06:24 PM
Your telling me all these players are in the same half, and Radwanska has nobody again?


Serena is bonus

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2012, 06:34 PM
Serena is bonus

OK, so you're saying Serena IS in Radwanska's half?

If she is, how much you wanna bet, Serena will get knocked out before she faces Radwanska. :lol:

Hopefully Vika is in Maria's quarter, as you say, so they can have a slug fest against each other. :lol:

Note: I have not looked at the draw, or read anything about it yet. So please bear with me. :)

Holdsworth
Aug 23rd, 2012, 06:42 PM
Maria Sharapova RUS (3) vs Melinda Czink HUN
Lourdes Dominguez Lino ESP vs Sesil Karatantcheva KAZ
Timea Bacsinszky SUI vs Mallory Burdette USA
Lucie Hradecka CZE vs Anabel Medina Garrigues ESP (27)

Nadia Petrova RUS (19) vs Jarmila Gajdosova AUS
Simona Halep ROU vs Iveta Benesova CZE
Alexandra Cadantu ROU vs Aleksandra Wozniak CAN
Melanie Oudin USA vs Lucie Safarova CZE (15)

Marion Bartoli FRA (11) vs Jamie Hampton USA
Romina Oprandi SUI vs Andrea Petkovic GER
Kristina Mladenovic FRA vs Marina Erakovic NZL
Daniela Hantuchova SVK sv Anastasia Pavlyuchenkova RUS (17)

Yanina Wickmayer BEL (25) vs Qualifier
Pauline Parmentier FRA sv Michaella Krajicek NED
Nicole Gibbs USA vs Alize Cornet FRA
Polona Hercog SLO sv Petra Kvitova CZE (5)

Rex59
Aug 23rd, 2012, 06:48 PM
Looks like there is no stream, nor tv for tonight's match between Petra and Lucie. :(

TennisAddict84
Aug 23rd, 2012, 06:50 PM
Looks like there is no stream, nor tv for tonight's match between Petra and Lucie. :(

yeah noticed that too...ugh lame, lame, lame :fiery:

paulmara
Aug 23rd, 2012, 06:51 PM
If she is, how much you wanna bet, Serena will get knocked out before she faces Radwanska. :lol:


Be careful there are wolves in the world.

Holdsworth
Aug 23rd, 2012, 06:57 PM
Hopefully Vika is in Maria's quarter,

It was impossible )