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cosmoose
Aug 7th, 2012, 12:28 PM
Do you all find it kind of refreshing to see all the Czech girls get along so well?
Not even a hint of jealousy between top players
Petra, Lil' Petra, Iveta, Bara, Lucie S, Lucie H, Kookie, Andrea....They are all friends! :)

Synth
Aug 7th, 2012, 01:26 PM
Excited for US Hardcourts. C'mon Petra! Let's do better than last year. :D

Petronius
Aug 7th, 2012, 01:59 PM
Do you all find it kind of refreshing to see all the Czech girls get along so well?
Not even a hint of jealousy between top players
Petra, Lil' Petra, Iveta, Bara, Lucie S, Lucie H, Kookie, Andrea....They are all friends! :)

Yup, they click together well. The fact that they're young, healthy, good-looking and well-off also helps. If you have earned $ 1 million or more (about CZK 20 million) you can easily live in the Czech Republic at a pretty good level until you die without having to work any more. Why be jealous or complain ? :lol:

Petronius
Aug 7th, 2012, 02:01 PM
Iveta doesn't have to try. She just is naturally awesome that way. Her twitter feed is hilarious. ("F-word grass!")

You are right, she's a natural good-looker.

ArcticMoose
Aug 7th, 2012, 02:29 PM
:drool:Thanks, nice pic :yeah:

What I always find funny is that the pretty Iveta, who always tries to look chic and glamorous, comes from the city of Most, by far the ugliest Czech town packed with the Communist-style buildings :lol:

http://www.turistika.cz/foto/10648/1392/mid_144641.jpg

:hatoff:Very astute observation but this is very true of 90% of girls from former CIS countries :lick:– the way they rose above their difficult individual circumstances was to take good care of themselves:angel:. At 1st I did not get it until I started to travel across the CIS countries to understand the phenomenan 1st hand. They are taught by their mothers from a very young age to groom themselves par excellence. For the last 10 years I have at least one fun packed holiday a year in the CIS block – from the moment I land to the time I depart it is a feast:drool: of :lick:candy:kiss: of outer galactic proportions:drool: – the girls are so hot blooded:drool::lick: it is unreal:hearts: ….forget St Moritz & Monaco … there are far better places to feast :drool::lick::drool:….and it does not cost the earth:)...

Petronius
Aug 7th, 2012, 04:44 PM
:drool:

:hatoff:Very astute observation but this is very true of 90% of girls from former CIS countries :lick:– the way they rose above their difficult individual circumstances was to take good care of themselves:angel:. At 1st I did not get it until I started to travel across the CIS countries to understand the phenomenan 1st hand. They are taught by their mothers from a very young age to groom themselves par excellence. For the last 10 years I have at least one fun packed holiday a year in the CIS block – from the moment I land to the time I depart it is a feast:drool: of :lick:candy:kiss: of outer galactic proportions:drool: – the girls are so hot blooded:drool::lick: it is unreal:hearts: ….forget St Moritz & Monaco … there are far better places to feast :drool::lick::drool:….and it does not cost the earth:)...

Do you mean the former Soviet republics (the CIS) or the entire former Eastern Block? Cause there are big differences.

As for the girls, I've no doubt that you like these trips, cause as a Western, English-speaking guy (probably from Britain ;)) you're pretty attractive for them :). Judging by my own experiences when talking in near-perfect English in Budapest, Cracow or Ljubljana. BTW, it works in East Germany, too :lol:

ArcticMoose
Aug 7th, 2012, 06:22 PM
Do you mean the former Soviet republics (the CIS) or the entire former Eastern Block? Cause there are big differences.

As for the girls, I've no doubt that you like these trips, cause as a Western, English-speaking guy (probably from Britain ;)) you're pretty attractive for them :). Judging by my own experiences when talking in near-perfect English in Budapest, Cracow or Ljubljana. BTW, it works in East Germany, too :lol:

:) I am referring to both CIS & eastern bloc – the former soviet republics (CIS) candy:lick: for some reason are really hot blooded & the candy is simply gorgeous:drool: not sure if there is something special in the Slavic gene pool - a complete all round product & A1 quality from head to toe & very feminine.
Eastern bloc too has really great candy:kiss: but slightly less hot blooded than their CIS cousins, feminine & quite good quality:hearts: too
:lol: I even have maps with pins stuckin to remind me of ‘ticks in the boxes’so I don't cover old ground :D– it is a very interesting game to play for real – it’s sport that does have its rewards:p

Petronius
Aug 7th, 2012, 06:35 PM
Yeah, well thought out list.

Of course Petra could afford/arrange that type of team if she wanted to.

Petra made $5mil last year, and should make $1-$3mil this year in tennis prize money alone.

It's a matter of financial commitment, and how serious you are about improving.

Also, many of these specialist are part time, periodical (a few days, weeks at a time) teachers, and don't cost as much as you think.

Lastly, they're a lot of great people who I'm sure would love to work with Petra and possibly adjust their cost (though I think she could afford them anyway). Martina Navratilova, is one that leaps to mind. And that's as a coach or member of the team. Navratilova, seems like she would always give Petra "life in tennis" lessons and advice for free. When you have the talent of Petra, lots of people would line up, think they can uncork the bottle of unmitigated yearly success. I wouldn't worry about that.

As far as language, keep in mind Ni La (and many others in this and other sports) don't speak their coaches native tongue or English well and still get a lot out of, and have their best years with these coaches. I would even argue that Petra speaks better English than Ni La does. As a matter of fact, I can practically guarantee it, after hearing Li Na repeatedly. Lol

Sometimes Petra may have to learn to leave her exclusive Czech comfort zone, if she wants to improve.

Good points. I agree that many of these people could work on a part-time basis as consultants and be paid accordingly (per hour worked, etc.). For example when Murray won the Olympics, Ivan Lendl was not present and stayed at home in the U.S. Murray was then quoted saying

"Ivan told me after the Wimbledon final that he was really happy with the way I played the whole tournament. Having someone like Ivan around after that Wimbledon final was very important, as well, someone to talk to about the emotion, how it feels. He understands all of that. I spoke to him before today's match about the tactics, going over a little bit what happened at Wimbledon, used it in the right way instead of negatively, which in the past I've certainly done after a few of the grand slam finals"

"He's never been around a British player during Wimbledon, so he maybe didn't quite know what it was like. He was saying, I'll never play in a match under that much pressure again in my life. So that's good news. I did feel much more relaxed going into today's match than I did going into the Wimbledon final."


Wouldn't it be cool if Petra won another slam and then said similar words about Martina Navratilova ? :cool:

BTW, she actually did right after the 2011 Wimbledon final. So why not repeat it?

Petronius
Aug 7th, 2012, 07:25 PM
:) I am referring to both CIS & eastern bloc – the former soviet republics (CIS) candy:lick: for some reason are really hot blooded & the candy is simply gorgeous:drool: not sure if there is something special in the Slavic gene pool - a complete all round product & A1 quality from head to toe & very feminine.
Eastern bloc too has really great candy:kiss: but slightly less hot blooded than their CIS cousins, feminine & quite good quality:hearts: too



Everybody has different tastes, but for me this is Slavic feminine beauty at its best (forget Sharapova :lol:)

http://images.beautyriot.com/photos/izabella-scorupco-long-layered.jpg

Could you imagine the number of her Tennis Forum fans or Facebook followers, if she were a WTA player?

:lol: I even have maps with pins stuckin to remind me of ‘ticks in the boxes’so I don't cover old ground :D– it is a very interesting game to play for real – it’s sport that does have its rewards:p

Cool! But I must warn you, the further you travel eastwards in the former USSR, the more people (and thus the women) look like Chinese, Mongolians or Kazakhs :lol:

Excelscior
Aug 7th, 2012, 08:54 PM
Good points. I agree that many of these people could work on a part-time basis as consultants and be paid accordingly (per hour worked, etc.). For example when Murray won the Olympics, Ivan Lendl was not present and stayed at home in the U.S. Murray was then quoted saying

"Ivan told me after the Wimbledon final that he was really happy with the way I played the whole tournament. Having someone like Ivan around after that Wimbledon final was very important, as well, someone to talk to about the emotion, how it feels. He understands all of that. I spoke to him before today's match about the tactics, going over a little bit what happened at Wimbledon, used it in the right way instead of negatively, which in the past I've certainly done after a few of the grand slam finals"

"He's never been around a British player during Wimbledon, so he maybe didn't quite know what it was like. He was saying, I'll never play in a match under that much pressure again in my life. So that's good news. I did feel much more relaxed going into today's match than I did going into the Wimbledon final."


Wouldn't it be cool if Petra won another slam and then said similar words about Martina Navratilova ? :cool:

BTW, she actually did right after the 2011 Wimbledon final. So why not repeat it?

Yes it would be.

And that quote from Lendl, is exactly the type of role I was talking about from somebody like Martina or who ever.

Lendl doesn't work with Murray much on tennis shots. And if he does, it's probably very little, or he hires someone.

Lendl's value, is in the career, mental, tactics, preparation, bounce back from losses, long term vision, and maintaining your confidence advice, that a 8X grand slam winner can give to you.

Not only was Mr. Lendl correct in what he said, but Murray didn't appear to value it as much before. Nonetheless he kept trying (cause it was Lendl). And now Murray values it even more, cause it was successful.

Some of us would be quite surprised how little Petra actually needs from some one like Navratilova or Lendl to be back on top. Yes!

Remember, she already has most of the shots, and has won/been to the top already. Most of it is strategic, tactical, and in the head.

steni
Aug 7th, 2012, 10:17 PM
Petra will play Pervak(Wednesday) not before 6 pm( 5 pm for me so I can watch yesss) on center court!

Petronius
Aug 7th, 2012, 10:47 PM
Yes it would be.

And that quote from Lendl, is exactly the type of role I was talking about from somebody like Martina or who ever.

Lendl doesn't work with Murray much on tennis shots. And if he does, it's probably very little, or he hires someone.

Lendl's value, is in the career, mental, tactics, preparation, bounce back from losses, long term vision, and maintaining your confidence advice, that a 8X grand slam winner can give to you.

Not only was Mr. Lendl correct in what he said, but Murray didn't appear to value it as much before. Nonetheless he kept trying (cause it was Lendl). And now Murray values it even more, cause it was successful.

Some of us would be quite surprised how little Petra actually needs from some one like Navratilova or Lendl to be back on top. Yes!

Remember, she already has most of the shots, and has won/been to the top already. Most of it is strategic, tactical, and in the head.

Excellent post Excelscior and I couldn't agree more. You nailed it perfectly. I actually think that Petra is actually in a kind of 'mini-slump' and is still in the adjustment-after-her-first-huge-season phase and, as you say, she needs very little to be back on top.

People also tend to forget that during this adjustment phase / mini-slump she still achieved her best ever results at the Aussie Open, French Open and, yes, the Olympics. Even if she were not to play a single match this year, she's easily had her second-best season in life - and it's not that easy to better a season which was considered by both the ITF and WTA as the world's best.

BTW, what's amazing about Lendl is that he spent more weeks at No. 1 than Borg, Edberg and Wilander combined and these guys hold 24 single slams.
He was incredibly consistent and has won more than 1,000 ATP matches. Only Jimmy Connors has more wins!

Excellent choice, Andy.

pov
Aug 8th, 2012, 03:22 AM
Lendl's value, is in the career, mental, tactics, preparation, bounce back from losses, long term vision, and maintaining your confidence advice,

I agree. Course I just got a lot of flack for saying that's what a pro-level coach is about.

bruce goose
Aug 8th, 2012, 04:21 AM
Yes,Excelsior DID contribute a few nice posts there...which was a helpful move after even the normally-level-headed Petronius had a relapse into adolescence upon being "Moose-dragged" into an idiot's-barstool-caliber conversation.Despite some dizzy Brit mamador's best efforts,we DO have an off-topic thread that allows shallow discussions on the female physique.For now,let's keep THIS thread focused on Petra's oxygen intake challenges in her Tennis Chamber of Horrors known as North American Hardcourts

Excelscior
Aug 8th, 2012, 05:14 AM
Excellent post Excelscior and I couldn't agree more. You nailed it perfectly. I actually think that Petra is actually in a kind of 'mini-slump' and is still in the adjustment-after-her-first-huge-season phase and, as you say, she needs very little to be back on top.

People also tend to forget that during this adjustment phase / mini-slump she still achieved her best ever results at the Aussie Open, French Open and, yes, the Olympics. Even if she were not to play a single match this year, she's easily had her second-best season in life - and it's not that easy to better a season which was considered by both the ITF and WTA as the world's best.

BTW, what's amazing about Lendl is that he spent more weeks at No. 1 than Borg, Edberg and Wilander combined and these guys hold 24 single slams.
He was incredibly consistent and has won more than 1,000 ATP matches. Only Jimmy Connors has more wins!

Excellent choice, Andy.

Thanks Petronius. I agree.

Petra had the second best year in her career. Something she can be proud of. But being fans, media, and tennis observers, we all want, demand and expect more. :lol:

Yes, Lendl was an amazing player, with an incredible record of achievements and consistency. Everybody knows Federer has the Grand Slam quarterfinal and semifinal records. But most people don't know Lendl is second in both (if I remember correctly), and is the man Federer passed to get them.

Excelscior
Aug 8th, 2012, 05:15 AM
I agree. Course I just got a lot of flack for saying that's what a pro-level coach is about.

Thanks.

When players lose when we don't want/expect them to, you get all type of feelings, statements and emotions.

No biggie. :lol:

Excelscior
Aug 8th, 2012, 05:16 AM
Yes,Excelsior DID contribute a few nice posts there...which was a helpful move after even the normally-level-headed Petronius had a relapse into adolescence upon being "Moose-dragged" into an idiot's-barstool-caliber conversation.Despite some dizzy Brit mamador's best efforts,we DO have an off-topic thread that allows shallow discussions on the female physique.For now,let's keep THIS thread focused on Petra's oxygen intake challenges in her Tennis Chamber of Horrors known as North American Hardcourts

Thanks Moose.

And we'll find out soon on this one (bolded). :eek:

steni
Aug 8th, 2012, 01:33 PM
Thanks Moose.

And we'll find out soon on this one (bolded). :eek:

You meant goose... Haha

Excelscior
Aug 8th, 2012, 03:13 PM
Yes,Excelsior DID contribute a few nice posts there...which was a helpful move after even the normally-level-headed Petronius had a relapse into adolescence upon being "Moose-dragged" into an idiot's-barstool-caliber conversation.Despite some dizzy Brit mamador's best efforts,we DO have an off-topic thread that allows shallow discussions on the female physique.For now,let's keep THIS thread focused on Petra's oxygen intake challenges in her Tennis Chamber of Horrors known as North American Hardcourts

@Bruce, Steni

Yes, I meant "Thank You Bruce" earlier, instead of his free style rhyming, frost bitten TF companion "Artic Moose". :lol:

My Bad. :lol: :oh: :lol:

Excelscior
Aug 8th, 2012, 03:21 PM
Excellent post Excelscior and I couldn't agree more. You nailed it perfectly. I actually think that Petra is actually in a kind of 'mini-slump' and is still in the adjustment-after-her-first-huge-season phase and, as you say, she needs very little to be back on top.

People also tend to forget that during this adjustment phase / mini-slump she still achieved her best ever results at the Aussie Open, French Open and, yes, the Olympics. Even if she were not to play a single match this year, she's easily had her second-best season in life - and it's not that easy to better a season which was considered by both the ITF and WTA as the world's best.

BTW, what's amazing about Lendl is that he spent more weeks at No. 1 than Borg, Edberg and Wilander combined and these guys hold 24 single slams.
He was incredibly consistent and has won more than 1,000 ATP matches. Only Jimmy Connors has more wins!

Excellent choice, Andy.

One more thing on Petra:

As you know, fans will always be more critical during the moment, and have a right to do so. We take it year by year, tournament by tournament, match by match and game by game. So that's to be expected. With out criticism, how can a player potentially get better (or prevent from slipping even worse-especially if they're unaware or not trying)?

But of course, later on, we have/show more perspective and take things into their totality as the year, tournaments, matches and games are done.

Obviously, not all true fans (TRUE in the the essence that you really like the player, not that you're aren't a true fan if you constantly critique them) fans will do this. But most of us will accept, take things in perspective (as you did) later on, after the initial or running criticism. And then it starts all over again (of course), during the next bad match. :lol: :oh: :lol:

Vikapower
Aug 8th, 2012, 03:30 PM
Petra will play Pervak(Wednesday) not before 6 pm( 5 pm for me so I can watch yesss) on center court!

Pervak can be tricky but nothing exceptional for Petra IMO. We'll see where she's at -- the players have played more grass than in a normal WTA calendar and it might happen that she doesn't have her timing --

The surface is pretty quick (actually I discovered that yesterday -- because I thought Montréal and Toronto used the same surface which is not the case) ; Decoturf II, it's pretty windy as I saw certain of these matches (center-court not particularly protected but nothing really troublesome though) and ball does fly which might cause issues on control of the shots. Anyways we'll see.

AfroIYH
Aug 8th, 2012, 10:43 PM
I don't know about you guys and I'm pretty sure the response will be it's just me, but it seems to me she doesn't seem to care during her matches, at least as much as she did last year.

Excelscior
Aug 8th, 2012, 11:17 PM
I don't know about you guys and I'm pretty sure the response will be it's just me, but it seems to me she doesn't seem to care during her matches, at least as much as she did last year.

It certainly appears that way through her playing during this match, doesn't it? :sad:

So close but so far, from Petra.

She's dominating the stat board over her opponent, but not the scoreboard.

Not kool.

Mynarco
Aug 8th, 2012, 11:24 PM
Flop.

AfroIYH
Aug 8th, 2012, 11:39 PM
It certainly appears that way through her playing during this match, doesn't it? :sad:

So close but so far, from Petra.

She's dominating the stat board over her opponent, but not the scoreboard.

Not kool.

She seems to play like an amateur who doesn't have a chance to rise above the ITF circuit, it annoys me that although it's her second best season she doesn't play like it and seems so uninterested about it. I thought at the Olympics and Wimbledon it would at least inspire some kind of emotion like she showed at the WTA championships, but it never seemed to get halfway there.

steni
Aug 9th, 2012, 12:08 AM
Flop.

I like your avatar, Chad le Clos is sexy!

Vikapower
Aug 9th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Not much to discuss on this match 45-40 -- Pervak served for the match at 6-5 and that's all Petra needed for her opponent to totally implode mentally (doubling the amount of double-faults and unforced shots) then it was straight-forward blow-out. Hope she'll improve :unsure:

@AfroIYH : Petra sometimes looks totally miserable with her game like she can't assume it anymore -- because of the amount of unforced errors it produces. I don't know but it seems like her style of play is really taking a toll on her mental game, it seems at times, many times like she doesn't control a fat of what she does, swing-unforced, swing-unforced etc. ad repetitam without having any solutions to stop that infernal circle.

cosmoose
Aug 9th, 2012, 01:29 AM
Was it just last year when everyone remarked on this board that Petra was the Ice Queen? Nothing bothered her and you couldn't read her face and know if she was winning or losing?

How so much has changed in 1 year :(

Synth
Aug 9th, 2012, 01:46 AM
I think Petra needs a new perspective on her game. I think the ice queen approach is the way to go with her game. She has to be unfazed by her errors, because as she noted in previous interviews, her game WILL come with errors. The key is to limit them to nonvital points, and to not cut back or beat yourself up for them during the next point. If Kotzya can't provide that sort of perspective, then she needs to bring in someone else, not necessarily to replace Kotzya, but perhaps to work with the team. She gets derailed and takes way too long to get back on track.

steni
Aug 9th, 2012, 01:48 AM
Not much to discuss on this match 45-40 -- Pervak served for the match at 6-5 and that's all Petra needed for her opponent to totally implode mentally (doubling the amount of double-faults and unforced shots) then it was straight-forward blow-out. Hope she'll improve :unsure:

@AfroIYH : Petra sometimes looks totally miserable with her game like she can't assume it anymore -- because of the amount of unforced errors it produces. I don't know but it seems like her style of play is really taking a toll on her mental game, it seems at times, many times like she doesn't control a fat of what she does, swing-unforced, swing-unforced etc. ad repetitam without having any solutions to stop that infernal circle.

I always though that she was used to this, she said errors are part of her game, but hey she isn't losing to scrubs too often like in the past, (I'm guessing that Kirilenko, McHale, Makarova or Kerber aren't scrubs, right?). I think when she was a scrub herself she didn't mind about the UE, nobody cared, maybe like you said its hard for her now to deal with that and with her new top player status...

Excelscior
Aug 9th, 2012, 01:54 AM
I always though that she was used to this, she said errors are part of her game, but hey she isn't losing to scrubs too often like in the past, (I'm guessing that Kirilenko, McHale, Makarova or Kerber aren't scrubs, right?). I think when she was a scrub herself she didn't mind about the UE, nobody cared, maybe like you said its hard now to deal with that with her new top player status...

It's not the errors that bother Petra.

It's the fact that she leaks too many. And she doesn't have the game or cajones now, to thwart and "put the opponent in their place", when she makes them. :lol:

It's easy to deal with the errors, when you know you're playing well, and are mostly in control of your shots. That's easy, and comes from confidence.

But you guys are on the right track. Petra should be mentally strong and confident enough, until her game comes to her, and/or she holds on to win. One step at a time.

steni
Aug 9th, 2012, 02:00 AM
It's not the errors that bother Petra.

It's the fact that she leaks too many. And she doesn't have the game or cajones now, to thwart and "put the opponent in their place", when she makes them. :lol:

It's easy to deal with the errors, when you know you're playing well, and are mostly in control of your shots. That's easy, and comes from confidence.

But you guys are on the right track. Petra should be mentally strong and confident enough, until her game comes to her, and/or she holds on to win.

cajones? or cojones?

Excelscior
Aug 9th, 2012, 02:23 AM
cajones? or cojones?

You know, better than me, and which one it is. :lol:

But yes, it's Cojones!!

AfroIYH
Aug 9th, 2012, 02:26 AM
It's certainly very difficult to watch her matches this year, get very depressed at times, leads me to the suspicion she throws some of her matches.

steni
Aug 9th, 2012, 02:30 AM
You know, better than me, and which one it is. :lol:

haha cojones, I was like "cajones/boxes", what the heck he meant lol
But Petra sometimes has, I remember her match against Kanepi in Wimbledon, she had cojones in that match!

steni
Aug 9th, 2012, 02:35 AM
It's certainly very difficult to watch her matches this year, get very depressed at times, leads me to the suspicion she throws some of her matches.

The Australian Open semi was the more depressive match for me, I cried!

AfroIYH
Aug 9th, 2012, 04:20 AM
What was depressive for me was her matches against Kerber and Makarova.

bruce goose
Aug 9th, 2012, 04:29 AM
@Bruce, Steni

Yes, I meant "Thank You Bruce" earlier, instead of his free style rhyming, frost bitten TF companion "Artic Moose". :lol:

My Bad. :lol: :oh: :lol:Yes,even though he's the sort of guy that might spend HOURS searching for the corner in a circular room,it didn't offend me that you called me 'Moose'.Despite the well-deserved put-downs I give his drug-addled ass,he's actually a pleasant fellow in many ways:lol:...plus it's nice that my smokin'-hot Costa Rican gf spoke on my behalf:cool:

Anyway,I agree with you on the alarmist nature of many tennis fans;hardcore NFL fans lose their temper during a loss but usually regain perspective within 24 hrs. after the anger subsides:lol:.On the other hand,tennis is one of those sports that encourages pendulum mood swings,probably(perhaps individual sports are more prone to that than team sports???).There are plenty of articulate,intelligent Petra fans who vacillate wildly between eager optimism and declarations of doom EVEN WITHIN THE SAME SET:p....It's actually often fun for me to read that:lol:

Vikapower
Aug 9th, 2012, 01:43 PM
I always though that she was used to this, she said errors are part of her game, but hey she isn't losing to scrubs too often like in the past, (I'm guessing that Kirilenko, McHale, Makarova or Kerber aren't scrubs, right?). I think when she was a scrub herself she didn't mind about the UE, nobody cared, maybe like you said its hard for her now to deal with that and with her new top player status...

Yes, she's used to it -- Excelsior's answer is right, she can't deal with the fact of making "too many" unforced shots -- you also gave a part of the answer too, she's a "top player" now not some kind of unknown anymore who could just slap herself out to defeat with everybody not caring. This is why I think her unforced-error-mania is getting to her head, she's a top player and wants to prove it regularly but does it way to sporadically in terms of level of play.

Petra's attitude when she makes crucial unforced shots is pretty obvious, she rambles, rambles again and again -- sometimes she does that ironic smile or these kind of inarticulate movements with some parts of her body like some kind Greek tragedy hero who just doesn't know how to prevent his/her tragic destiny from actually happening.

Anyways, positive, next step is Bartoli or Peng (I'm not much into this rambling thing :lol:) ; don't really have an opinion on this one, we'll see.

Petronius
Aug 9th, 2012, 02:03 PM
Petra's attitude when she makes crucial unforced shots is pretty obvious, she rambles, rambles again and again -- sometimes she does that ironic smile or these kind of inarticulate movements with some parts of her body like some kind Greek tragedy hero who just doesn't know how to prevent his/her tragic destiny from actually happening.

This will get better, as she gets older. No worries here.

Vikapower
Aug 9th, 2012, 02:26 PM
This will get better, as she gets older. No worries here.

Yes indeed, this is what I said in the other thread.

Personally I don't like to ramble about my faves and all because it's over-dramatizing things more than they actually are. That's why I'm not much a contributor into "coach changing-end-of-the-world" melodramatic discussions, it's a difficult exercise to write without being overly negative and pessimistic something I really hate especially when factually things aren't SO bad (yet). :lol:

Things aren't as complex (yet) IMO.

:lol: Petra is still having a greater year without even trying/forcing that much than top players like Wozniacki, Stosur or Clayrrani. So cool she's not in bad situation yet -- :lol:

I think, just have to live how Petra's game goes, one day at a time -- if tomorrow brings good well it will taste good, if not well move on, train, work, practice and try again. I think I understood that.

P.S. : :lol: Actually I'm a big supporter of Julia Goerges and I know about that already -- it's nevertheless true that Petra is a top player and expectations are different even if the principle in it-self stays the same. :wavey:

Excelscior
Aug 9th, 2012, 02:27 PM
Yes, she's used to it -- Excelsior's answer is right, she can't deal with the fact of making "too many" unforced shots -- you also gave a part of the answer too, she's a "top player" now not some kind of unknown anymore who could just slap herself out to defeat with everybody not caring. This is why I think her unforced-error-mania is getting to her head, she's a top player and wants to prove it regularly but does it way to sporadically in terms of level of play.

Petra's attitude when she makes crucial unforced shots is pretty obvious, she rambles, rambles again and again -- sometimes she does that ironic smile or these kind of inarticulate movements with some parts of her body like some kind Greek tragedy hero who just doesn't know how to prevent his/her tragic destiny from actually happening.

Anyways, positive, next step is Bartoli or Peng (I'm not much into this rambling thing :lol:) ; don't really have an opinion on this one, we'll see.

You make some good points.

Besides Petra making too many errors, and not being in control of her shots; therefore not having the confidence to GO for her shots (prolonging the rally, then creating even more errors, such as this match).

I agree, Petra is a perfectionist sometimes (certainly not the only one), and has to learn to win ugly more often. You can't always hit beautiful shots all over the court, or keep swinging and making errors till you hope your shots come back.

Petra, you gotta just mix it up sometimes, even if you're playing ugly. and just have the confidence you can pull it out on the key points, or till your game comes back.

In reality, Petra could be mad as well. The problem is, usually when she is, it affects her game negatively. Therefore, she should try to reduce her antics as much as possible.

PS: Nice point on how you don't get to crazy regarding your analysis or any over dramatization on your faves. :lol:

pov
Aug 9th, 2012, 02:43 PM
So many opinions. All I know is that here's a player with IMO the 2nd most natural talent of any top player (S.Williams is 1st) and currently she's not playing anywhere near her potential. This is one of the times I'd like to see someone do an in-depth, get down to the nitty-gritty interview with a player. But that rarely happens.

Petronius
Aug 9th, 2012, 02:50 PM
In reality, Petra could be mad as well. The problem is, usually when she is, it affects her game negatively. Therefore, she should try to reduce her antics as much as possible.

I actually asked her directly in February after the Australian swing in an on-line interview about her useless antics (racquet throwing) in the loss to Li-Na in Sydney, her first loss after the 18-match winning streak.

None of my questions were chosen. :(

Excelscior
Aug 9th, 2012, 02:51 PM
So many opinions. All I know is that here's a player with IMO the 2nd most natural talent of any top player (S.Williams is 1st) and currently she's not playing anywhere near her potential. This is one of the times I'd like to see someone do an in-depth, get down to the nitty-gritty interview with a player. But that rarely happens.

Don't worry/hopefully she'll get out of it, and it will be soon. :lol:

I guess it's all part of the process. I was just hoping that the process had ended between the end of Wimby 2011 and Linz of the same year. But I guess not. More development needs to take place.

Let's hope for a better end of the year, and/or 2013.

Petronius
Aug 9th, 2012, 03:01 PM
So many opinions. All I know is that here's a player with IMO the 2nd most natural talent of any top player (S.Williams is 1st) and currently she's not playing anywhere near her potential. This is one of the times I'd like to see someone do an in-depth, get down to the nitty-gritty interview with a player. But that rarely happens.

Ultimately, it depends on the player themselves.

Some believe Vaidišová could be now top 5 and a slam winner, IF SHE CARED.

Some believe Hingis even at her current age could win many more doubles slams, IF SHE CARED.

Borg basically retired at the age of 26 after winning 11 slams, probably due to lack of motivation. He would have probably won several more slams, IF HE CARED.

:shrug:

Vikapower
Aug 9th, 2012, 05:38 PM
You make some good points.

Besides Petra making too many errors, and not being in control of her shots; therefore not having the confidence to GO for her shots (prolonging the rally, then creating even more errors, such as this match).

I agree, Petra is a perfectionist sometimes (certainly not the only one), and has to learn to win ugly more often. You can't always hit beautiful shots all over the court, or keep swinging and making errors till you hope your shots come back.

Petra, you gotta just mix it up sometimes, even if you're playing ugly. and just have the confidence you can pull it out on the key points, or till your game comes back.

In reality, Petra could be mad as well. The problem is, usually when she is, it affects her game negatively. Therefore, she should try to reduce her antics as much as possible.

PS: Nice point on how you don't get to crazy regarding your analysis or any over dramatization on your faves. :lol:

Sorry to introduce this there like that but this is reminiscent of pre-prime Vika :sobbing: it's like re-reading myself a couple years aback in 2009-2010 :lol: and yes I agree with everything. :yeah:

From my experience of being a fan of Victoria for the last 3 years, Petra is not even close as being emotional and sensitive as Vika was but on the perfectionist side there are similarities.

Victoria was the type to easily doubt herself, her shots, her game [...] for a nothing. She didn't like to miss anything, way too perfectionist and was way way too hard on herself. She's much much more resilient.


I think as an athlete, it's important to know that you have the right to fail, that you have the right to miss shots, to make mistakes in life, you have the right to lose [...] it's not a sin or the end of the world and that's exactly the type of attitude Victoria did not have in the past that almost made her quit tennis for good.

I've never been found of parents who put too much pressure on their children to succeed accepting no failures whatsoever, that's not a good method. Failure is not a bad thing if used positively to correct what went wrong. Failure is there also to make you see your weaknesses.

Petra was extremely successful last year and most people embarked in that positive dynamic disregarding the weaknesses of her game -- now she's not so successful anymore and her weaknesses are apparent but if Petra has the resilience and acceptance that she needs to put more work and effort in the areas of her game that fail her then there's no reasons.


I think, Petra has had that resilience when she was "scrub" and no one cared about her statistic's sheets -- as a top player it's a little bit more complicated. It's very hard to stay detached like she was in the past from her performances and she's probably losing that "I don't care so much, I'll still slap you" attitude she once had and becoming a little bit too harsh on herself, who knows. :shrug:

She needs to keep amusing herself on court and don't think too much about performance at all cost -- because as it is right now, being a top player is that. The top 4-5 girls are running so fast front-wards in all SF and F this year that you do not want the train to leave you but I don't really think that's important. It's yourself first and foremost.

Vikapower
Aug 9th, 2012, 05:45 PM
P.S. The only thing I hope is that lovely Petra doesn't become the next "Ivanovic", you know the one that gets 6-0 6-0 = double-bageled by Vinci of all people -- though I have the out-most respect for Roberta as a remarkable player and person. ;)

Petronius
Aug 9th, 2012, 06:15 PM
Sorry to introduce this there like that but this is reminiscent of pre-prime Vika :sobbing: it's like re-reading myself a couple years aback in 2009-2010 :lol: and yes I agree with everything. :yeah:

From my experience of being a fan of Victoria for the last 3 years, Petra is not even close as being emotional and sensitive as Vika was but on the perfectionist side there are similarities.

Victoria was the type to easily doubt herself, her shots, her game [...] for a nothing. She didn't like to miss anything, way too perfectionist and was way way too hard on herself. She's much much more resilient.


I think as an athlete, it's important to know that you have the right to fail, that you have the right to miss shots, to make mistakes in life, you have the right to lose [...] it's not a sin or the end of the world and that's exactly the type of attitude Victoria did not have in the past that almost made her quit tennis for good.

I've never been found of parents who put too much pressure on their children to succeed accepting no failures whatsoever, that's not a good method. Failure is not a bad thing if used positively to correct what went wrong. Failure is there also to make you see your weaknesses.

Petra was extremely successful last year and most people embarked in that positive dynamic disregarding the weaknesses of her game -- now she's not so successful anymore and her weaknesses are apparent but if Petra has the resilience and acceptance that she needs to put more work and effort in the areas of her game that fail her then there's no reasons.


I think, Petra has had that resilience when she was "scrub" and no one cared about her statistic's sheets -- as a top player it's a little bit more complicated. It's very hard to stay detached like she was in the past from her performances and she's probably losing that "I don't care so much, I'll still slap you" attitude she once had and becoming a little bit too harsh on herself, who knows. :shrug:

She needs to keep amusing herself on court and don't think too much about performance at all cost -- because as it is right now, being a top player is that. The top 4-5 girls are running so fast front-wards in all SF and F this year that you do not want the train to leave you but I don't really think that's important. It's yourself first and foremost.

Very good points.

When you are a scrub with just a few ranking points you have nothing to lose. You play freely, cause you know that if just one stellar result comes, you'll shoot up in the rankings. Just like Lucie Hradecka after her unique Madrid performance - I think she jumped up over 40 places!

When you're Top 10, any loss can prove very very costly. That's why Petra was so nervous in her first match at this year's Wimbledon, as she would've lost 2,000 points immediately.

It's just a matter of time getting used to this new situation. :cool:

Excelscior
Aug 9th, 2012, 06:24 PM
The good thing about the Pervak match, is hopefully, Petra's 3 set outing will loosen up her game enough to where she would look much better than she did during that first match, against Bartoli or Peng.

PS: I think Petra's frustrated now, because she's not having the same success, consistency, control of her shots as last year (or even earlier this year), with the added pressure of so much of the tennis world watching now.

And losing to Kirilenko at Wimbledon, surely doesn't help the confidence or alleviate the pressure, if you're not playing well (whether its your first match or not on hardcourt, following Wimbledon) in Toronto.

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 04:34 AM
Petra first up at 12noon on center court Fri, vs Bartoli.

I guess that's 5-7pm for you Europeans?

Should be an interesting match.

Didn't watch Bartoli play vs Peng, but she can be very up and down.

Hopefully, Petra has brushed off the dust and nerves; has come to play and ready to fight?

On the other hand, it can be a massacre, either way with these two. :lol:

Note: These fools didn't post the order of play, till about 12:30am Fri, US EST time. SMH

bruce goose
Aug 10th, 2012, 06:41 AM
P.S. The only thing I hope is that lovely Petra doesn't become the next "Ivanovic", you know the one that gets 6-0 6-0 = double-bageled by Vinci of all people -- though I have the out-most respect for Roberta as a remarkable player and person. ;)Well,I don't think that Petra could turn herself into THAT much of a joke even if the Czech mafia kidnapped her parents and forced her to lose on purpose:lol:

ArcticMoose
Aug 10th, 2012, 07:21 AM
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1937595861/949615__normal.jpg Petra Kvitova ‏@Petra_Kvitova (http://twitter.com/Petra_Kvitova)
It wasn't pretty tennis but somehow I won :) Thanks to @IvetaBenesova (http://twitter.com/IvetaBenesova) and @BaraStrycova (http://twitter.com/BaraStrycova) plus the Montreal crowd for pulling me through it



http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1937595861/949615__normal.jpg Petra Kvitova‏@Petra_Kvitova (http://twitter.com/Petra_Kvitova)

Had fun at a sponsor clinic with Sam today. Just waiting to hear when I play tomorrow then sleep :) night night

https://p.twimg.com/Az5ivbUCQAE3a_a.jpg (http://twitter.com/Petra_Kvitova/status/233732797586620416/photo/1/large)

Petronius
Aug 10th, 2012, 10:55 AM
Petra first up at 12noon on center court Fri, vs Bartoli.

I guess that's 5-7pm for you Europeans?

Should be an interesting match.

Didn't watch Bartoli play vs Peng, but she can be very up and down.

Hopefully, Petra has brushed off the dust and nerves; has come to play and ready to fight?

On the other hand, it can be a massacre, either way with these two. :lol:

Note: These fools didn't post the order of play, till about 12:30am Fri, US EST time. SMH

This match versus Bartoli can be big for Petra's confidence (potentially her first official TOP 10 win this year). It's also a direct clash for points between two YEC contenders. Very crucial match IMO.

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 12:11 PM
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1937595861/949615__normal.jpg Petra Kvitova ‏@Petra_Kvitova (http://twitter.com/Petra_Kvitova)
It wasn't pretty tennis but somehow I won :) Thanks to @IvetaBenesova (http://twitter.com/IvetaBenesova) and @BaraStrycova (http://twitter.com/BaraStrycova) plus the Montreal crowd for pulling me through it



http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1937595861/949615__normal.jpg Petra Kvitova‏@Petra_Kvitova (http://twitter.com/Petra_Kvitova)

Had fun at a sponsor clinic with Sam today. Just waiting to hear when I play tomorrow then sleep :) night night

https://p.twimg.com/Az5ivbUCQAE3a_a.jpg (http://twitter.com/Petra_Kvitova/status/233732797586620416/photo/1/large)

Look at that picture of Petra and Sam.

And so many of you guys like to overreact on every latest action shot and new outfit from Petra that appears unflattering.

Once again, look at Petra compared to Sam! Does that look like a woman who's pregnant and gained a bunch of weight all over her body?

Just look at her face, arms, shoulders, breast, overall body width, etc., compared to Sam!? It's a tight sweater (and yeah we know about da little tum tum, compared to Sam. But remember, Petra's a real woman, with REAL boobies as well).

Note: "Real" woman comment, is about Petra not being muscle bound and flat chested like Sam.

So can we settle this now? Petra doesn't appear to have gained any excessive weight, or looks pregnant. :lol: :eek: :lol:

As usual; it's bad on court photos, outfits, sizes, colors and designs, until proven otherwise. Next! :oh:

Note: What I wrote doesn't exclude the fact, that Petra's lower abs, do appear to protrude in this pic (while her overall body dimensions, appear fine/in line).

ArcticMoose
Aug 10th, 2012, 02:38 PM
:pPetra's Media Manager : Katie Spellman ;)
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1642700101/FEHM4722__4_.jpg

pov
Aug 10th, 2012, 03:07 PM
Look at that picture of Petra and Sam.

And so many of you guys like to overreact on every latest action shot and new outfit from Petra that appears unflattering.

Once again, look at Petra compared to Sam! Does that look like a woman who's pregnant and gained a bunch of weight all over her body?

Just look at her face, arms, shoulders, breast, overall body width, etc., compared to Sam!? It's a tight sweater (and yeah we know about da little tum tum, compared to Sam. But remember, Petra's a real woman, with REAL boobies as well).
Holy crap dude - you've become obsessive about this. Even when I was on about it I didn't bring it up as much as you. That said, I think you're far from objective on the issue. When it clearly shows you claim it's "camera error" or "unflattering clothes" when it doesn't show as much you go on a tear about how she's really in-shape. For a pro-athlete, she's not in as good shape as she could be. Now can we leave it alone? At the moment, there's more going on with her than body tone.

BTW the "real woman" thing is insulting to all women.

pov
Aug 10th, 2012, 03:10 PM
[B]:pPetra's Media Manager
Media manager? F**k a media manager. That only makes me wonder if even what she tweets is being crafted and/or censored - like many pro athletes. More importantly - right now it's about her getting back to her game. Breaking out of whatever mindset is contributing to her not playing nearly up to her potential.

ArcticMoose
Aug 10th, 2012, 04:04 PM
Media manager? F**k a media manager. That only makes me wonder if even what she tweets is being crafted and/or censored - like many pro athletes. More importantly - right now it's about her getting back to her game. Breaking out of whatever mindset is contributing to her not playing nearly up to her potential.

:)


http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1642700101/FEHM4722__4__normal.jpg Katie Spellman ‏@Spellman_Katie (http://twitter.com/Spellman_Katie)
Petra's hitting partner was half an hour late, so, in ballet flats and a blazer...




https://p.twimg.com/Az8baINCEAAmCLG.jpg (http://twitter.com/Spellman_Katie/status/233935841330860032/photo/1/large)

bruce goose
Aug 10th, 2012, 04:51 PM
Ummm,Moose,it might be time to cut back on the hallucinogens even a little bit MORE:silly:.While it's nice that this Spellman gal is dedicated and willing to help Petra,I think it's safe to assume that she's not gonna accomplish jack s--t as a hitting partner to break Petra out of her slump:lol:

pov
Aug 10th, 2012, 05:15 PM
A good match by Kviotva thrashing Bartoli. Bartoli was playing horribly but great shots by Kvitova. One commentator thought she was beginning to look like Davenport on hard-courts. That would be ironic -if Kvitova the "grass meister" became dominant on hard-courts. She def has the game to do it.

Sasja
Aug 10th, 2012, 05:22 PM
6-1 6-1 over Bartoli.

Much better match from Petra today :) Hopefully finding her 2011 form again.
Marion :hug:

Draw opening up as well. Vika WD with a knee injury :hug:

Mynarco
Aug 10th, 2012, 05:28 PM
unexpected I must say :eek: keep it up. Onwards.

Barktra
Aug 10th, 2012, 05:32 PM
this is such a good suprise

a little nervous about tamria though :scared:

paulmara
Aug 10th, 2012, 05:42 PM
Not too bad...

Steni was right with the draw.

While it's nice that this Spellman gal is dedicated and willing to help Petra,I think it's safe to assume that she's not gonna accomplish jack s--t as a hitting partner to break Petra out of her slump:lol:

We are waiting for your apology.

ArcticMoose
Aug 10th, 2012, 05:49 PM
We are waiting for your apology.:hysteric:

:yeah:

http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/2475367799/4c9mjejbtpkkyq25egbv_normal.png Mariana ‏@mari_vergueiro (http://twitter.com/mari_vergueiro)
@Spellman_Katie (http://twitter.com/Spellman_Katie) @Petra_Kvitova (http://twitter.com/Petra_Kvitova) that practice with you showed some results hahaha :)


http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1132205336/bagel_normal.jpg Maria ‏@thedoublebagel (http://twitter.com/thedoublebagel)
Petra double breadsticked Bartoli. All credit should go to @Spellman_Katie (http://twitter.com/Spellman_Katie) for that one.

Synth
Aug 10th, 2012, 05:50 PM
Great match from Petra. :) It's been a long time coming. Here's to hoping she can keep up this form for the rest of Montreal.

mikireturns
Aug 10th, 2012, 05:58 PM
Well done, Petra! Comprehensive and powerful. Keep going and take this event with your magnificent POWER.

I do like the Kvitova/Davenport comparison, to an extent. Davenport could rocket through the ball like no one else in her day, due to her height and classic technique. Mobility was always a challenge for her, even after she got super-fit, but she was an incredibly consistent slugger, given the pace she displayed in terms of shot. Fine baseline tactician, too.

Petra has more power, however, and I think she has greater natural athletic ability than Lindsay, by far. If Petra keeps working hard, the dominant position in women's tennis is hers for the taking.

winnermax
Aug 10th, 2012, 06:01 PM
She was totally different today!:eek:(compared with her past two matches respectively against Kirilenko and Pervak.)

Definitely,I hope she can keep it up.But who knows what will happen next?For example,her match against Flavia in OG made me confident about her.I hadn't expected that she played like shit in her next match. Although the situation of the first half of the draw looks really good,I still have to be low-profile.

Vikapower
Aug 10th, 2012, 06:05 PM
Victoria pulled out and with the crappy organization of this tournament :lol: theoretically Petra has this tournament in the pocket especially with the level she played today, Tamira or CSN next.

As for today's match, Bartoli is cool but she's on the red hot decline, have no idea what her age is by now but her grinding and excess tournaments played over the years seems to really be getting to her (first time I see her since Sydney). She looks totally tired and exhausted -- doesn't even do all her jumping, twirls and etc. stuffs anymore ; don't see the sparkle too.

Petra played pretty well.

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 06:14 PM
Holy crap dude - you've become obsessive about this. Even when I was on about it I didn't bring it up as much as you. That said, I think you're far from objective on the issue. When it clearly shows you claim it's "camera error" or "unflattering clothes" when it doesn't show as much you go on a tear about how she's really in-shape. For a pro-athlete, she's not in as good shape as she could be. Now can we leave it alone? At the moment, there's more going on with her than body tone.

BTW the "real woman" thing is insulting to all women.

I thought what I said was self explanatory. OK. I guess not. :shrug:

A couple of things.

I didn't address my post to you, if you felt I was (not sure or saying you did, and if it was the reason you responded)? But "just saying", just in case. :lol:

I think you're missing some points as well.

Remember, some posters had asked if Petra had gained weight, or breast grew bigger, based off of the last outfit she had against Pervak.

And based off of the several shots I've seen with Petra in jeans and T shirts, I said no. Did anyone call her fat, or gaining weight in her Jeans and T shirt photos? Did she look any different? Did she even look any different in the short shorts, hitting partner shots pic that was posted after? Of course not.

My point was, people go crazy over Petra's looks; even when we don't have definitive proof, based off of a new outfit. I was just telling everybody to "chill (not necessarily defending her)".

Now, you're arguing a whole nother argument (whether or not "Petra's in shape"), etc. That's not what I was talking about. You are though. That one gets old, unless Petra's weight or game gets obviously way out of hand. There's no point to it.

PS: I did point out her lower tummy did look bigger in that pic (and from what I could see on court today), by the way.

And as far as the "real woman" comment. C'mon. Loosen up man. :lol:

Now, back to tennis. You had written your response before today's match. And Petra won her match after. So we don't need too much negative discussion, while she's still alive. :)

ArcticMoose
Aug 10th, 2012, 06:21 PM
Victoria pulled out and with the crappy organization of this tournament :lol: theoretically Petra has this tournament in the pocket especially with the level she played today, Tamira or CSN next.

As for today's match,Bartoli is cool but she's on the red hot decline, have no idea what her age is by now but her grinding and excess tournaments played over the years seems to really be getting to her (first time I see her since Sydney). She looks totally tired and exhausted -- doesn't even do all her jumping, twirls and etc. stuffs anymore ; don't see the sparkle too.

Petra played pretty well.

:)I am sorry – but this is totally unfair!! on Petra:angel:. The only reason you are saying she is cool is because she is French!! – Petra will be sooo upset!!:pas you're being so biased;)

Spring Pools
Aug 10th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Maybe she should have Barbie and Kveta Peschke be her full time coaches? :lol:

steni
Aug 10th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Well done, Petra! Comprehensive and powerful. Keep going and take this event with your magnificent POWER.

I do like the Kvitova/Davenport comparison, to an extent. Davenport could rocket through the ball like no one else in her day, due to her height and classic technique. Mobility was always a challenge for her, even after she got super-fit, but she was an incredibly consistent slugger, given the pace she displayed in terms of shot. Fine baseline tactician, too.

Petra has more power, however, and I think she has greater natural athletic ability than Lindsay, by far. If Petra keeps working hard, the dominant position in women's tennis is hers for the taking.

Was Davenport erratic as well in a bad day?

steni
Aug 10th, 2012, 06:54 PM
this is such a good suprise

a little nervous about tamria though :scared:

I prefer Paszek than Suarez Navarro... I still remember that horrific Australian Open second round!

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 06:59 PM
Was Davenport erratic as well in a bad day?

All great, talented offensive players are erratic, till they find themselves (unless they're Steffi Graf). :lol:

Petra has yet to "find her herself" yet. So let's see where it goes/she takes it?

But Lindsay, was more consistent in her ball striking than Petra was, once she found HERSELF.

To be continued. :)

Vikapower
Aug 10th, 2012, 07:07 PM
:)I am sorry – but this is totally unfair!! on Petra:angel:. The only reason you are saying she is cool is because she is French!! – Petra will be sooo upset!!:pas you're being so biased;)

:lol: Well actually this was just for the purpose of rhetoric -- I don't find her cool at all anyways as far is goes on court she's pretty annoying. :lol:

TennisAddict84
Aug 10th, 2012, 07:17 PM
Well done, Petra! Comprehensive and powerful. Keep going and take this event with your magnificent POWER.

I do like the Kvitova/Davenport comparison, to an extent. Davenport could rocket through the ball like no one else in her day, due to her height and classic technique. Mobility was always a challenge for her, even after she got super-fit, but she was an incredibly consistent slugger, given the pace she displayed in terms of shot. Fine baseline tactician, too.

Petra has more power, however, and I think she has greater natural athletic ability than Lindsay, by far. If Petra keeps working hard, the dominant position in women's tennis is hers for the taking.

Yep, so true. Petra moves much more gracefully than Davenport. Petra can actually still hit a winner or a decent defensive shot when she's stretched out wide, whereas Davenport had a harder time getting the ball back out of position. The great thing with Petra is that her movement--like the rest of her game--can still get a lot better.

She was totally different today!:eek:(compared with her past two matches respectively against Kirilenko and Pervak.)

Definitely,I hope she can keep it up.But who knows what will happen next?For example,her match against Flavia in OG made me confident about her.I hadn't expected that she played like shit in her next match. Although the situation of the first half of the draw looks really good,I still have to be low-profile.

That's why until I see Petra sustain her form through the end of a tournament and wins the title, I am reserving my judgement for now and maintaining low expectations.

Vikapower
Aug 10th, 2012, 07:19 PM
Was Davenport erratic as well in a bad day?

I would tend to say no -- Davenport had that rhythmical/musical sort of fashion of striking the ball, that's what made her so consistent IMO despite hitting the ball as hard as she was.

Petra she is much more of "crack-head". She's much more riskier and always looking for the knock-out blow. TBH the Davenport comparison can be legit but I don't find it totally founded. Petra's game isn't based on powering the ball with consistent rhythm, I would give that tag more to players like Azarenka, Hantuchova etc.

I think Petra is closer to Serena when the US player is in first strike mood. Petra is a more elegant version of Serena's first strike tennis --

Petra is much more fluid and masters perfectly very subtle elements of the game just like Federer (weight transfer/upper-body rotation timed perfectly into the striking zone, taking the ball early, nice relaxed fluid simple easy motions...) to create easy power.

I'm not saying Serena doesn't do the same to some extents but Serena relies much more on her physical gift hence why Petra makes tennis look very easy when it comes to firing the ball with effortless power despite not even having half of Serena's physical gift(s).

TennisAddict84
Aug 10th, 2012, 07:23 PM
btw, LOVED Sam Smith's comment on ES today during Petra's match: "She's a genuine all court player"

FINALLY, a commentator/analyst who seems to understand Petra's game instead of labeling her as just a typical power player. Sam also said that everyone should kind of hold off on their expectations of Petra until 2013, given that this year has been such a big adjustment for her.

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 07:24 PM
Yep, so true. Petra moves much more gracefully than Davenport. Petra can actually still hit a winner or a decent defensive shot when she's stretched out wide, whereas Davenport had a harder time getting the ball back out of position. The great thing with Petra is that her movement--like the rest of her game--can still get a lot better.



That's why until I see Petra sustain her form through the end of a tournament and wins the title, I am reserving my judgment for now and maintaining low expectations.

Ditto on both statements. :yeah:

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 07:27 PM
btw, LOVED Sam Smith's comment on ES today during Petra's match: "She's a genuine all court player"

FINALLY, a commentator/analyst who seems to understand Petra's game instead of labeling her as just a typical power player. Sam also said that everyone should kind of hold off on their expectations of Petra until 2013, given that this year has been such a big adjustment for her.

Sam was Petra's biggest cheerleader last year, and was well ahead of the Petra curve, before some of her other European counterparts caught up (and many of the American's, still haven't caught up).

She was bigging up Petra's title chances in 2011 since Brisbane, and had been following/hoping for big things from her from several years ago, when she first saw her play-and saw her big time potential.

And yes, she's very aware of Petra's all around/all court game skills indeed. Sam just had to go quiet, due to the assorted Petra suckage this year (and the rise of Serena, Sharapova and Azarenka).

Speaking about dumb commentators; that male broadcaster that did the Pervak match is one of them.

I remember he was doing a Petra match earlier this year on Hard court, and Petra hit a squib shot/forehand slice, and that idiot dramatically questioned/said 'he thought Petra made a mistake, cause he had never seen her hit a shot like that before'. What a misinformed idiot. That's what you're talking. :lol:

SMH

ArcticMoose
Aug 10th, 2012, 07:32 PM
btw, LOVED Sam Smith's comment on ES today during Petra's match: "She's a genuine all court player"

FINALLY, a commentator/analyst who seems to understand Petra's game instead of labeling her as just a typical power player. Sam also said that everyone should kind of hold off on their expectations of Petra until 2013, given that this year has been such a big adjustment for her.
:lol:Was beginning to wonder when you will awake & get to your quill pen – us europeans have been totally in dark for the last two rounds as contracted USO series hack went AWOL…:D

steni
Aug 10th, 2012, 07:36 PM
All great, talented offensive players are erratic, till they find themselves (unless they're Steffi Graf). :lol:

Petra has yet to "find her herself" yet. So let's see where it goes/she takes it?

But Lindsay, was more consistent in her ball striking than Petra was, once she found HERSELF.

To be continued. :)

Do you know how many UE Petra had today?

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 07:43 PM
Do you know how many UE Petra had today?

Not many.

She had only 5 in the first set, to 12 winners.

She probably had a few more in the second set, but she probably also hit more winners as well. So I'm sure her ratio was decent.

I'm taking it match by match, and not expecting much.

Hopefully, Petra can make a Linz-like run (no Koytza, brought friends along, looking to find her game), and play her way into form during a hardcourt tournament.

paulmara
Aug 10th, 2012, 07:44 PM
Do you know how many UE Petra had today?

and making only 11 unforced errors

http://blogs.tennis.com/racquet_reaction/2012/08/montreal-kvitova-d-bartoli.html

Vikapower
Aug 10th, 2012, 07:52 PM
Petra has more power, however, and I think she has greater natural athletic ability than Lindsay, by far. If Petra keeps working hard, the dominant position in women's tennis is hers for the taking.

This is impossible to tell without scientific researches -- there are numerous factors that can influence the velocity of a player's ball. I'm almost certain Davenport's balls were 10 times heavier than Petra's (again just "almost certain", I didn't make any researches myself). Weight will always have a tendency to reduce an objects velocity yet it doesn't mean that the player is more or less powerful.

You can test it yourself, buy two Buggattis, put an object of 1 ton on one and leave the other like it is and see the difference in acceleration then in top speed between the two, yet, that wouldn't bring to the conclusion that Buggatti A is less powerful than Buggatti B. Both have a 1001 horsepower engine.

Lastly, there's a misconception too -- Petra is an extremely risky player and often people confuse because a ball was hit close to the lines = the ball was powerful. Petra strikes lots of balls close to the lines it doesn't mean that they were forcefully powerful.

This is why Petra is that good, it's an ensemble of things she has control of, relative power and surgical precision is really a deadly too in the game. I'm not certain Petra hits the ball THAT hard -- but she combines it with angles, depth that are untouchable.

The reason also she seems so powerful are also related to her strategies and tactics. She looks to finish the points extremely fast and surprises the opponent/takes them off-guard. They didn't have time react or see that specific shot coming in a given situation and it results into a winner but it doesn't forcefully mean that Petra hit the ball THAT hard.

Petra's game is based on a lot of uncertainties for her opponents -- it's impossible to predict exactly with her when, where, what -- this catches lots of players off guard.

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 08:20 PM
This is impossible to tell without scientific researches -- there are numerous factors that can influence the velocity of a player's ball. I'm almost certain Davenport's balls were 10 times heavier than Petra's (again just "almost certain", I didn't make any researches myself). Weight will always have a tendency to reduce an objects velocity yet it doesn't mean that the player is more or less powerful.

You can test it yourself, buy two Buggattis, put an object of 1 ton on one and leave the other like it is and see the difference in acceleration then in top speed between the two, yet, that wouldn't bring to the conclusion that Buggatti A is less powerful than Buggatti B. Both have a 1001 horsepower engine.

Lastly, there's a misconception too -- Petra is an extremely risky player and often people confuse because a ball was hit close to the lines = the ball was powerful. Petra strikes lots of balls close to the lines it doesn't mean that they were forcefully powerful.

This is why Petra is that good, it's an ensemble of things she has control of, relative power and surgical precision is really a deadly too in the game. I'm not certain Petra hits the ball THAT hard -- but she combines it with angles, depth that are untouchable.

The reason also she seems so powerful are also related to her strategies and tactics. She looks to finish the points extremely fast and surprises the opponent/takes them off-guard. They didn't have time react or see that specific shot coming in a given situation and it results into a winner but it doesn't forcefully mean that Petra hit the ball THAT hard.

Petra's game is based on a lot of uncertainties for her opponents -- it's impossible to predict exactly with her when, where, what -- this catches lots of players off guard.

On top of, besides everything you said, PETRA HITS THE BALL VERY HARD. Trust me/us/everyone. Come on Vikapower.

That's not even debatable. Numerous current and former players, coaches and broadcasters testify to the HEAVY ball and VELOCITY of Petra's shots, and the relative ease in which she hit's them, from anywhere on the court.

I'm too lazy to go through the litany of competitors, observers and experts who've testified to this. But there are many; not including my own observations.

When Petra's playing well, most competitors can't even return her shots well-cause of the HEAVY ball, speed of it, or the time Petra takes away from them. Mind you, this has nothing to do with angles, or hitting any lines. You trying to say you've never seen Petra hit some screamers from anywhere in the court, backpedaling or stretching, from the most craziest positions, and the defender doesn't even budge, cause of the velocity of the shot? That's Power!!! I haven't seen anyone in the WTA hit shots like that. It's what attracted me to Petra in the first place.

She was different. And the ball just jumped off of her racket from anywhere and any position, more than any player I could remember (and that's just one aspect, not including any of her other gifts).

Now, someone like Vika (sorry Vika Power :) ), has no real power, for her reputation, compared to someone like Petra. :) :lol: :) And it has nothing to do with topspin or strategic approach.

PS: I brought Vika up, cause I've seen you argue with other TF's about her lack of power, when you feel she's not underpowered as many believe she is.

Holdsworth
Aug 10th, 2012, 08:22 PM
Finally, first win over top-10 player in 2012 -) Surprisingly it happened in America )

TennisAddict84
Aug 10th, 2012, 08:26 PM
I would tend to say no -- Davenport had that rhythmical/musical sort of fashion of striking the ball, that's what made her so consistent IMO despite hitting the ball as hard as she was.

Petra she is much more of "crack-head". She's much more riskier and always looking for the knock-out blow. TBH the Davenport comparison can be legit but I don't find it totally founded. Petra's game isn't based on powering the ball with consistent rhythm, I would give that tag more to players like Azarenka, Hantuchova etc.

I think Petra is closer to Serena when the US player is in first strike mood. Petra is a more elegant version of Serena's first strike tennis --

Petra is much more fluid and masters perfectly very subtle elements of the game just like Federer (weight transfer/upper-body rotation timed perfectly into the striking zone, taking the ball early, nice relaxed fluid simple easy motions...) to create easy power.

I'm not saying Serena doesn't do the same to some extents but Serena relies much more on her physical gift hence why Petra makes tennis look very easy when it comes to firing the ball with effortless power despite not even having half of Serena's physical gift(s).

Excellent post. Great analytical comparison/breakdown. Yeah, Serena always looks like she's muscling the ball and just trying to bully her opponents w/ her overwhelming physical build...guess that's why I find her brand of tennis kind of boring to watch...not much flair or style to it unlike with Petra

:lol: @ the "crackhead" comment...love it

TennisAddict84
Aug 10th, 2012, 08:41 PM
Sam was Petra's biggest cheerleader last year, and was well ahead of the Petra curve, before some of her other European counterparts caught up (and many of the American's, still haven't caught up).

She was bigging up Petra's title chances in 2011 since Brisbane, and had been following/hoping for big things from her from several years ago, when she first saw her play-and saw her big time potential.

And yes, she's very aware of Petra's all around/all court game skills indeed. Sam just had to go quiet, due to the assorted Petra suckage this year (and the rise of Serena, Sharapova and Azarenka).

Speaking about dumb commentators; that male broadcaster that did the Pervak match is one of them.

I remember he was doing a Petra match earlier this year on Hard court, and Petra hit a squib shot/forehand slice, and that idiot dramatically questioned/said 'he thought Petra made a mistake, cause he had never seen her hit a shot like that before'. What a misinformed idiot. That's what you're talking. :lol:

SMH

Oh, no wonder. Yeah, Sam always sounds like she's been a long time fan every time she commentates on Petra's matches. It does seem that the European broadcasters enjoy and understand Petra's game MUCH more than the so called ESPN commentators.

Did not see the Pervak match, but I guess the male broadcaster you're mentioning has been drinking the same water as the American broadcasters :D

TennisAddict84
Aug 10th, 2012, 08:48 PM
:lol:Was beginning to wonder when you will awake & get to your quill pen – us europeans have been totally in dark for the last two rounds as contracted USO series hack went AWOL…:D

lol sorry! haven't had much time...i'll see if i can do it for Petra's QF...we shall see :D

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 09:07 PM
Oh, no wonder. Yeah, Sam always sounds like she's been a long time fan every time she commentates on Petra's matches. It does seem that the European broadcasters enjoy and understand Petra's game MUCH more than the so called ESPN commentators.

Did not see the Pervak match, but I guess the male broadcaster you're mentioning has been drinking the same water as the American broadcasters :D

Yeah, the European broadcasters are way ahead of the Petra curve, compared to the American ones indeed (with the exception of a select few).

As far as ESPN; MJF, Cahill, Drysdale and even the big mouth one, do understand various facets of Petra's game. It's actually Chris Evert that does not, and is learning, picking it up.

But you're right, outside of Mary Jo, and maybe Cahill, none of them watch her enough to know how good her game really is, outside of her power, serve and maybe return. There's an American female announcer (who I don't know the name of), that was bigging up Petra early last year; but of course she covered a lot of the tour-outside the majors, had a brain, and that's why she knew. Lol.

You gotta remember, most people were introduced to Petra through her Wimbledon final, where she played mostly a power game. She didn't play with the touch, net game, spin/angles, etc., as she did through out most of Wimbledon in 2011.

It's similar with the YEC. Many fans and commentators, probably missed the all court tennis she played at the YEC, cause it was at the end of the year and not a major, so many fans subsequently did not watch and see her.

That probably adds to it, or is the reason for so much American broadcaster ignorance. But it's nothing new. :)

TennisAddict84
Aug 10th, 2012, 09:48 PM
Yeah, the European broadcasters are way ahead of the Petra curve, compared to the American ones indeed (with the exception of a select few).

As far as ESPN; MJF, Cahill, Drysdale and even the big mouth one, do understand various facets of Petra's game. It's actually Chris Evert that does not, and is learning, picking it up.

But you're right, outside of Mary Jo, and maybe Cahill, none of them watch her enough to know how good her game really is, outside of her power, serve and maybe return. There's an American female announcer (who I don't know the name of), that was bigging up Petra early last year; but of course she covered a lot of the tour-outside the majors, had a brain, and that's why she knew. Lol.

You gotta remember, most people were introduced to Petra through her Wimbledon final, where she played mostly a power game. She didn't play with the touch, net game, spin/angles, etc., as she did through out most of Wimbledon in 2011.

It's similar with the YEC. Many fans and commentators, probably missed the all court tennis she played at the YEC, cause it was at the end of the year and not a major, so many fans subsequently did not watch and see her.

That probably adds to it, or is the reason for so much American broadcaster ignorance. But it's nothing new. :)

I know a lot of people don't like her, but I do enjoy Tracy Austin's commentating. I think she's usually pretty spot on with her assessments. During AO this yr, she was the on court commentator for one of Petra's early matches, and remarked, "Like the William sisters, Kvitova will raise the game in women's tennis." I mean if and when Petra gets all parts of her game together, I think that's a pretty realistic prediction.

But yea, a lot of the other American commentators fail to see that Petra's the only player capable of playing w/ so much power AND variety. Definitely more w/ ESPN though. On TC, obviously Navratilova knows Petra's game pretty well, and I think Davenport is aware of just how talented Petra really is.

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 09:56 PM
I know a lot of people don't like her, but I do enjoy Tracy Austin's commentating. I think she's usually pretty spot on with her assessments. During AO this yr, she was the on court commentator for one of Petra's early matches, and remarked, "Like the William sisters, Kvitova will raise the game in women's tennis." I mean if and when Petra gets all parts of her game together, I think that's a pretty realistic prediction.

But yea, a lot of the other American commentators fail to see that Petra's the only player capable of playing w/ so much power AND variety. Definitely more w/ ESPN though. On TC, obviously Navratilova knows Petra's game pretty well, and I think Davenport is aware of just how talented Petra really is.

Oh yeah, Tracy Austin's one of the select few. You don't have to apologize for her. She's follows enough of the tour to know how talented Petra is. She's a good analyst.

Funny, Davenport said "I really haven't seen Petra Kvitova play" to Martina last year, when Navritalova picked her to win the French Open, then Wimbledon last year. :lol:

Of course Davenport knows now, and is/was throughly impressed.

It's funny, most or all of them know Petra's very talented, and has a lot of power. Remember, they were all picking her to win the Australian and dominate women's tennis at the beginning of 2012. I just noticed, as you, that many of them are unaware of the more subtle elements of her game (like that Male, European announcer I was telling you about earlier in the Pervak match), cause they don't watch enough of the tour or Petra in the first place to know.

steni
Aug 10th, 2012, 10:08 PM
Yeah, the European broadcasters are way ahead of the Petra curve, compared to the American ones indeed (with the exception of a select few).

As far as ESPN; MJF, Cahill, Drysdale and even the big mouth one, do understand various facets of Petra's game. It's actually Chris Evert that does not, and is learning, picking it up.

But you're right, outside of Mary Jo, and maybe Cahill, none of them watch her enough to know how good her game really is, outside of her power, serve and maybe return. There's an American female announcer (who I don't know the name of), that was bigging up Petra early last year; but of course she covered a lot of the tour-outside the majors, had a brain, and that's why she knew. Lol.

You gotta remember, most people were introduced to Petra through her Wimbledon final, where she played mostly a power game. She didn't play with the touch, net game, spin/angles, etc., as she did through out most of Wimbledon in 2011.

It's similar with the YEC. Many fans and commentators, probably missed the all court tennis she played at the YEC, cause it was at the end of the year and not a major, so many fans subsequently did not watch and see her.

That probably adds to it, or is the reason for so much American broadcaster ignorance. But it's nothing new. :)

I watched Petra vs Pervak on Tennis TV and the guy was always saying how good Pervak was and that it was a shame that she didnt win after all the effort and blah blah... Some people just dont like her game style or her looks...

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 10:31 PM
I watched Petra vs Pervak on Tennis TV and the guy was always saying how good Pervak was and that it was a shame that she didnt win after all the effort and blah blah... Some people just dont like her game style or her looks...

Well maybe it was personal for the broadcaster, cause most announcers would know and root for Petra, instead of Pervak.

I know the announcers, I listened to were talking about Petra most match.

As far as her style and looks (and it affects her coverage, and the Pervak match), I think that has nothing to do with it.

How soon do we forget. Remember, the American and world media, was ready to happily anoint Petra the new Queen of tennis at the beginning of the year, and shove Wozniaki aside in a swiftness. So those things aren't it.

The media is just very fickle. And if/when you don't win (especially when they expect/want you to), and you don't, they place you on the backburner.

So unless you have a 3+ Multi Slam Resume/Legacy or #1 ranking, they'll cast you aside, for the next thing/old thing or till you come back winning.

That's just the way it is. Petra's time should/will comeback.

ArcticMoose
Aug 10th, 2012, 10:34 PM
:pBartoli expressed how impressed she was with Kvitova's performance.

"I believe today her performance was extraordinary," she said. "When she plays like this it's almost impossibe to play against her. I had break opportunities and every time she served an ace. She was just too good to give me any chances.

"Against Serena I won once and lost once, but I never felt like I couldn't do anything. Against Petra today I was under the impression I just couldn't play. She's able to play a winner from anywhere on the court and whatever ball you send her. She takes your control away. I never felt like this against Serena or Sharapova - for example, when I served well, she would return a missile." :D

steni
Aug 10th, 2012, 10:40 PM
:pBartoli expressed how impressed she was with Kvitova's performance.

"I believe today her performance was extraordinary," she said. "When she plays like this it's almost impossibe to play against her. I had break opportunities and every time she served an ace. She was just too good to give me any chances.

"Against Serena I won once and lost once, but I never felt like I couldn't do anything. Against Petra today I was under the impression I just couldn't play. She's able to play a winner from anywhere on the court and whatever ball you send her. She takes your control away. I never felt like this against Serena or Sharapova - for example, when I served well, she would return a missile." :D

Wow!

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 10:41 PM
:pBartoli expressed how impressed she was with Kvitova's performance.

"I believe today her performance was extraordinary," she said. "When she plays like this it's almost impossibe to play against her. I had break opportunities and every time she served an ace. She was just too good to give me any chances.

"Against Serena I won once and lost once, but I never felt like I couldn't do anything. Against Petra today I was under the impression I just couldn't play. She's able to play a winner from anywhere on the court and whatever ball you send her. She takes your control away. I never felt like this against Serena or Sharapova - for example, when I served well, she would return a missile." :D

This may all be true and clear indication of Petra's game when on (especially in light of my prior discussion with Vikapower). But I for one, will ignore it . Geesh! Didn't we know this already (though it's nice to hear it, when we haven't heard these type of comments in a while). :lol:

I'm taking these matches one at a time, and not reading into anything, till Petra shows me she can substain it (which I full believe she can). I just got to see it, like I did/watch it unfold in Linz.

Hopefully, Bartoli doesn't have some sort of weird vendetta against Petra, getting some of our hopes up (not me), by sand bagging her and us. :lol:

bruce goose
Aug 10th, 2012, 10:51 PM
We are waiting for your apology.Petra was only tossing her slave girl a verbal cookie to make her feel good about herself:p.This win was ALL Petra and,as you should know,Moose is only a desperately horny young boy who wants to have a shot at Petra's propaganda flack in case he ever sits next to her at a tourney:lol:

Vikapower
Aug 10th, 2012, 11:16 PM
On top of, besides everything you said, PETRA HITS THE BALL VERY HARD. Trust me/us/everyone. Come on Vikapower.

That's not even debatable. Numerous current and former players, coaches and broadcasters testify to the HEAVY ball and VELOCITY of Petra's shots, and the relative ease in which she hit's them, from anywhere on the court.

I'm too lazy to go through the litany of competitors, observers and experts who've testified to this. But there are many; not including my own observations.

When Petra's playing well, most competitors can't even return her shots well-cause of the HEAVY ball, speed of it, or the time Petra takes away from them. Mind you, this has nothing to do with angles, or hitting any lines. You trying to say you've never seen Petra hit some screamers from anywhere in the court, backpedaling or stretching, from the most craziest positions, and the defender doesn't even budge, cause of the velocity of the shot? That's Power!!! I haven't seen anyone in the WTA hit shots like that. It's what attracted me to Petra in the first place.

But I know Petra hits the ball hard, don't worry. ;)

She was different. And the ball just jumped off of her racket from anywhere and any position, more than any player I could remember (and that's just one aspect, not including any of her other gifts).

Petra does hit the ball hard but it's not that hard I think if we performed scientific measurements and compared it to a sample of the population of "power-hitters" on the WTA tour hitting their strokes at full throttle. :lol:

It's unfortunate you didn't answer the last paragraph of the post you quoted ;

Because this the secret self of Petra's game you describe yourself. When in defense for example, no one expects a player to hit a relatively fast ball. I don't think the ball is THAT fast but the fact of catching an opponent off-guard is one of the oldest secrets of the tennis game.

Now, someone like Vika (sorry Vika Power :) ), has no real power, for her reputation, compared to someone like Petra. :) :lol: :) And it has nothing to do with topspin or strategic approach.

Victoria is or anyways was never a physically strong girl to start with though she seems to be in aspect -- she can not develop power from raw physique like Serena this is why she developed a game based on consistent "timing".

I'm not certain what you call "real power" :lol: if it's velocity (racket-head speed then see specific post dedicated to your post-scriptum).

I'm not certain why you say that top spin does not change the velocity of the ball. :unsure:

You skipped the grip -- Petra uses a classic eastern grip whereas Victoria uses a semi-western, the racket motion at contact is not totally the same. Victoria's is more down to up (which brushes the ball, forward velocity is lost to horizontal one) whereas Petra has a more straight-forward into the ball one (which transfers great velocity into the ball from upper-body rotation) --

Many factors come into play when you want to compare players power. I'm certain there are girls who are as plenty powerful as Petra but because of a more conservative strategy/game-plan for example it's extremely hard to perceive unless they don't factually come on court to really hit the ball like Petra does.

It's also no surprise that real powerful players uses grips like eastern (Delp Potro, Davenport, Petra) or semi-conservative grips like the 'hybrid-Federer eastern' forehand grip.

steni
Aug 10th, 2012, 11:28 PM
This may all be true and clear indication of Petra's game when on (especially in light of my prior discussion with Vikapower). But I for one, will ignore it . Geesh! Didn't we know this already (though it's nice to hear it, when we haven't heard these type of comments in a while). :lol:

I'm taking these matches one at a time, and not reading into anything, till Petra shows me she can substain it (which I full believe she can). I just got to see it, like I did/watch it unfold in Linz.

Hopefully, Bartoli doesn't have some sort of weird vendetta against Petra, getting some of our hopes up (not me), by sand bagging her and us. :lol:

Bartoli likes Petra, so I think she was honest about it. I'm wondering if the other players feel like me about the fact that you never know with Petra, I'm guessing Bartoli had a game plan (keep the ball in play) but it didn't work cause Petra was on today, I can never call Petra's matches :confused:

Excelscior
Aug 10th, 2012, 11:32 PM
Petra does hit the ball hard but it's not that hard I think if we performed scientific measurements and compared it to a sample of the population of "power-hitters" on the WTA tour hitting their strokes at full throttle. :lol:

It's unfortunate you didn't answer the last paragraph of the post you quoted ;

Because this the secret self of Petra's game you describe yourself. When in defense for example, no one expects a player to hit a relatively fast ball. I don't think the ball is THAT fast but the fact of catching an opponent off-guard is one of the oldest secrets of the tennis game.



Victoria is or anyways was never a physically strong girl to start with though she seems to be in aspect -- she can not develop power from raw physique like Serena this is why she developed a game based on consistent "timing".

I'm not certain what you call "real power" :lol: if it's velocity (racket-head speed then see specific post dedicated to your post-scriptum).

I'm not certain why you say that top spin does not change the velocity of the ball. :unsure:

You skipped the grip -- Petra uses a classic eastern grip whereas Victoria uses a semi-western, the racket motion at contact is not totally the same. Victoria's is more down to up (which brushes the ball, forward velocity is lost to horizontal one) whereas Petra has a more straight-forward into the ball one (which transfers great velocity into the ball from upper-body rotation) --

Many factors come into play when you want to compare players power. I'm certain there are girls who are as plenty powerful as Petra but because of a more conservative strategy/game-plan for example it's extremely hard to perceive unless they don't factually come on court to really hit the ball like Petra does.

It's also no surprise that real powerful players uses grips like eastern (Delp Potro, Davenport, Petra) or semi-conservative grips like the 'hybrid-Federer eastern' forehand grip.

I just got to say two things to you:

1) Read Bartoli's comments posted above/earlier.

2) I've read numerous former and current players, coaches, broadcasters, and analyst say that Petra is "the hardest hitter they've ever seen", "one of the hardest hitters" they've ever seen, and/or "one of or the best ball striker in women's tennis".

What Bartoli and I just stated, is indicative of what I've heard from the likes of Mary Joe Fernandez, Sharapova, Serena, Renee Stubbs, L. Davenport, Mary Carillo, Navratilova, Martina Hingis, Sam Smith (who compares her to a Female Delpotro-who many people believe is the hardest hitting male player, or at least one of them), Darren Cahill, and many many others. The list goes on and on for a mile. If anything, that's what Petra is known for by casual followers, POWER, though there's certainly a lot more to her game.

Why do you think, the first words out of peoples mouth are always BIG, when they talk about her game and ground strokes?

So I'll stop there.

I'll take what they say, as an observation.

And as far as measurements, I'm glad you said that. When Petra played at Wimbledon 2011, she had by far the highest avg ground stroke (including off speed shots in the avg) of any player there. She was consistently 10-13 mph ahead of Sharapova and Vika when she played them. That was measured. And remember she swings the easiest.

When she played Serena in 2010 Wimby (as far as the eye), Serena, obviously had a hard time with Petra's ground strokes, and Petra clearly won the ground battle in my mind. This even prompted Serena to give rare praise to someone, by saying "Girl you got game". And Serena's Mom was obviously impressed, by calling Petra "The future of women's tennis", after she won Brisbane in Jan 2011, to back it up.

Case closed! But your certainly entitled to believe in what you say. :)

I can't believe I just had that discussion. Lol

steni
Aug 10th, 2012, 11:35 PM
I just got to say two things to you:

1) Read Bartoli's comments posted above.

2) And I've read numerous players, coaches, broadcasters, and analyst say that Petra is the hardest hitter they've ever seen, one of the hardest hitters they've ever seen, and/or one of or the best ball striker in women's tennis.

What Bartoli and I just said, is indicative of what I've heard from Mary Joe Fernandez, Sharapova, Serena, Renee Stubbs, L. Davenport, Navratilova, Martina Hingis, Sam Smith (who compares her to a Female Delpotro-who many people believe is the hardest hitting male player, or at least one of them), and many many others. The list goes on and on for a mile.

So I'll stop there.

I'll take what they say, as an observation.

And as far as measurements, I'm glad you said that. When Petra played at Wimbledon 2011, she had by far the highest avg ground stroke (including off speed shots in the avg) of any player there. She was consistently 10-13 mph ahead of Sharapova and Vika when she played them. That was measured. And remember she swings the easiest.

When she played Serena in 2010 Wimby (as far as the eye), Serena, obviously had a hard time with Petra's ground strokes, and Petra clearly won the ground battle in my mind. This even prompted Serena to give rare praise to someone, by saying "Girl you got game". And Serena's Mom was obviously impressed, by calling Petra "The future of women's tennis", after she won Brisbane in Jan 2011.

Case closed!

:lol:

Petronius
Aug 10th, 2012, 11:36 PM
"It wasn't easy. She's a Top 10 player and she's playing very well, so it's never easy," Kvitova said. "But I knew how I had to play. I played against her in Hopman Cup and remembered her strengths and weaknesses. I'm really glad how I played. It was much better than how I was playing in the first round."

In the first round, Kvitova was down a set and a break to fellow lefty Ksenia Pervak but managed to scrape that encounter out, 46 76(0) 60.

"I think I still had jet lag that day," Kvitova said. "I was confused. It wasn't my best tennis. But I won, and that gave me another chance to play better today. And I did - I was more relaxed, more focused and was able to play my game."


These two highlighted sections explain a lot.

Vikapower
Aug 10th, 2012, 11:36 PM
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steni
Aug 10th, 2012, 11:44 PM
Is Petra with Ivanko in Montreal? Or she is completely alone?

Vikapower
Aug 11th, 2012, 12:20 AM
[...] Why do you think, the first words out of peoples mouth are always BIG, when they talk about her game and ground strokes?

So I'll stop there.

I'll take what they say, as an observation.

And as far as measurements, I'm glad you said that. When Petra played at Wimbledon 2011, she had by far the highest avg ground stroke (including off speed shots in the avg) of any player there. She was consistently 10-13 mph ahead of Sharapova and Vika when she played them. That was measured. And remember she swings the easiest.

When she played Serena in 2010 Wimby (as far as the eye), Serena, obviously had a hard time with Petra's ground strokes, and Petra clearly won the ground battle in my mind. This even prompted Serena to give rare praise to someone, by saying "Girl you got game". And Serena's Mom was obviously impressed, by calling Petra "The future of women's tennis", after she won Brisbane in Jan 2011.

Case closed! But your certainly entitled to believe in what you say.

:lol: What is the average ground-stroke speed of Sharapova or Davenport at their veritable peak ? No one measured that in Australian Open 2008 for Sharapova for example arguably the best display of her career. :lol: How is then possible to know player A hits harder than player B without the statistical facts ? :lol:

I can find articles of players saying Sharapova has the hardest hitting game they've seen when at her best -- that's too easy of an exercise I wouldn't waste time doing. Weren't they saying Wozniacki was the most "intelligent" they've seen since Hingis at her peak ? :lol:

Didn't many of these same TV experts try to sell to the fans that Nadal's grip change was the only reason why he suddenly stroke 220 km/h serve ? Yeah, well ; :lol:

Listen as you said we'll leave it that since you're becoming edgy. :cool: :p None of us have the numbers and everything is turning around other people's basic opinions. :lol: When a subjective study will come out on player's power in the WTA with the usual statistical/mathematical tools used to study abstract things such as spins, velocity etc. like ITF or British Journal of Sport's medicine usually does or cinematographic analyses (see video below) like you can find on Youtube with Nadal's top spin balls or Serena's serve then this discussion will be sublimed. :lol:

Petra has a big game and that's very cool, let's just enjoy it. Amicably. ;)

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TennisAddict84
Aug 11th, 2012, 01:18 AM
Bartoli likes Petra, so I think she was honest about it. I'm wondering if the other players feel like me about the fact that you never know with Petra, I'm guessing Bartoli had a game plan (keep the ball in play) but it didn't work cause Petra was on today, I can never call Petra's matches :confused:

I think Petra is generally well liked and respected by everyone on the tour. They all know Petra's game is still erratic and can be hot or cold. So I think the general game plan is to get into long rallies and draw a UE from her. But obviously when Petra's game is firing on all cylinders, there's not much any of her opponents can do.

But it's hard for me to gauge her match against Bartoli. Sure Petra played well, but i've seen her play better. Bartoli also did not play that well. Bartoli just looked extremely tired to me, but maybe it was due to Petra's game zapping all her energy. Who knows.

As I and also Excelscior have both mentioned, until Petra sustains her form and carries it to the end of a tournament, I'm not gonna assume that her game is back in full flight. Petra has fooled me too many times this year (most recently at Olympics) where her game looked great in one round--making me think that she is back on track--only to completely deteriorate in the next round. So yeah, we'll see what happens :D

Excelscior
Aug 11th, 2012, 01:19 AM
Give it up Vika Power.

I got much love for you. However, you can argue with someone else till tommorow. Not me. :lol:

I made my case. Argue with the folks I mentioned, and the radar gun from Wimbledon last year (keep in mind Petra hit several forehand and back hand winners, between 90-96 mph). And I see you're already arguing with my own observations from Wimby 2010. :lol:

Just face it, Petra, Serena, Kanepi, Hredecka (when she can keep the ball in play), Barthel (I know I may be missing some, who can't keep the ball in play, like Rezai, etc.), and maybe Lisicki, are a few that quickly come to mind that hit the ball the hardest on the tour currently.

Then you have people like Sharapova on a tier below.

Then Vika on another tier, etc, and so forth down the line. But Petra is in that top tier, clearly! So many players, like Bartoli, believe when Petra's on, they're completely helpless, and comically overpowered.

Note: I don't consider Venus part of the current regular tour, nor as someone who hits hard, consistently and reliably enough through out a tournament to be listed now anyway. But she was.

However, it's a silly argument in the first place, cause power is not the only facet of ground strokes. And there are so many other things that factor in, too countless to mention.

Like I said, believe what you wanna believe.

And once again, I can't believe we even had this argument. :lol: :eek: :lol: Like I said earlier; Much Love!

TennisAddict84
Aug 11th, 2012, 02:15 AM
Give it up Vika Power.

I got much love for you. However, you can argue with someone else till tommorow. Not me. :lol:

I made my case. Argue with the folks I mentioned, and the radar gun from Wimbledon last year (keep in mind Petra hit several forehand and back hand winners, between 90-96 mph). And I see you're already arguing with my own observations from Wimby 2010. :lol:

Just face it, Petra, Serena, Kanepi, Hredecka (when she can keep the ball in play), Barthel (I know I may be missing some, who can't keep the ball in play, like Rezai, etc.), and maybe Lisicki, are a few that quickly come to mind that hit the ball the hardest on the tour currently.

Then you have people like Sharapova on a tier below.

Then Vika on another tier, etc, and so forth down the line. But Petra is in that top tier, clearly! So many players, like Bartoli, believe when Petra's on, they're completely helpless, and comically overpowered.

Note: I don't consider Venus part of the current regular tour, nor as someone who hits hard, consistently and reliably enough through out a tournament to be listed now anyway. But she was.

However, it's a silly argument in the first place, cause power is not the only facet of ground strokes. And there are so many other things that factor in, too countless to mention.

Like I said, believe what you wanna believe.

And once again, I can't believe we even had this argument. :lol: :eek: :lol: Like I said earlier; Much Love!

Excelscior, out of curiosity, who do you think has more power: petra or serena? Or are they about even?

steni
Aug 11th, 2012, 02:58 AM
I think Petra is generally well liked and respected by everyone on the tour. They all know Petra's game is still erratic and can be hot or cold. So I think the general game plan is to get into long rallies and draw a UE from her. But obviously when Petra's game is firing on all cylinders, there's not much any of her opponents can do.

But it's hard for me to gauge her match against Bartoli. Sure Petra played well, but i've seen her play better. Bartoli also did not play that well. Bartoli just looked extremely tired to me, but maybe it was due to Petra's game zapping all her energy. Who knows.

As I and also Excelscior have both mentioned, until Petra sustains her form and carries it to the end of a tournament, I'm not gonna assume that her game is back in full flight. Petra has fooled me too many times this year (most recently at Olympics) where her game looked great in one round--making me think that she is back on track--only to completely deteriorate in the next round. So yeah, we'll see what happens :D

Do you think Petra is lazy?

Excelscior
Aug 11th, 2012, 03:34 AM
Excelscior, out of curiosity, who do you think has more power: petra or serena? Or are they about even?

Tough to say as you suggested. Probably similar for normal hitting from standard areas and positions on the court (at Serena's apex).

But Petra seems to have nearly unmatched power to hit the craziest shots from anywhere on the court, from the most odd heights, angles and positions-like I haven't seen, even from Serena. And remember Petra is doing all that, with that easy stroke of hers. Serena muscles and grunts out so much of her power shots.

So I think I gave you an answer, with out too much of a jinx for Petra during the rest of this tournament. :lol:

I hope that helps.

TennisAddict84
Aug 11th, 2012, 04:12 AM
Do you think Petra is lazy?

Not sure if she's lazy per se, but I do think that Petra needs to mentally toughen up, focus more, and get back to basics when she's not happy w/ her game or things aren't going her way. Sometimes, she wins ugly (like in the 1st round against Pervak from what I've read) and other times, she mentally folds (like in Olympics QF against Kirilenko) or does not try to shift gears a bit. Petra also sometimes appears to underestimate much lower ranked opponents that she faces, which ends up costing her a set. I would just like to see her be ruthless and try to put up demolition jobs against whoever she plays against, regardless of the ranking & tournament venue. It would be nice to see Petra fight for every point in every match that she plays like vintage Seles, Graf, or Serena ATM.

TennisAddict84
Aug 11th, 2012, 04:22 AM
Tough to say as you suggested. Probably similar for normal hitting from standard areas and positions on the court (at Serena's apex).

But Petra seems to have nearly unmatched power to hit the craziest shots from anywhere on the court, from the most odd heights, angles and positions-like I haven't seen, even from Serena. And remember Petra is doing all that, with that easy stroke of hers. Serena muscles and grunts out so much of her power shots.

So I think I gave you an answer, with out too much of a jinx for Petra during the rest of this tournament. :lol:

I hope that helps.

Well stated. Yeah, agree with your points. Serena may be a better athlete, but Petra is def more of a shot maker. And Serena knows that Petra is also the ONE player she can't just blast off the court or comfortably play first strike tennis against. Serena's serve...on grass...OTOH...is a different matter altogether :tape:

bruce goose
Aug 11th, 2012, 04:47 AM
You guys didn't ask my opinion and,to be fair,my technical knowledge of the sport isn't expert-level...but I'd love to see how Serena would do under the ORIGINAL tennis rules(i.e.,one serve,no faults).Even though her accuracy is often quite good,she couldn't afford to go for nearly as much on her 'first serves'...cuz there would BE no second serve and she'd lose a ton of points with serves that landed outside the lines.She'd have to work a LOT harder for points,even on grass...and she couldn't depend on aces to bail her out so much,especially on windy days.

Having said that,she'd likely have been a HOF'er,anyway...but considerably less dominant.Since Petra doesn't depend on her serve hardly as much,she wouldn't be so affected by playing under the old rules...and she might be a better grass player under such conditions

steni
Aug 11th, 2012, 05:25 AM
Well stated. Yeah, agree with your points. Serena may be a better athlete, but Petra is def more of a shot maker. And Serena knows that Petra is also the ONE player she can't just blast off the court or comfortably play first strike tennis against. Serena's serve...on grass...OTOH...is a different matter altogether :tape:

Do you think Petra will/can beat her one day?

TennisAddict84
Aug 11th, 2012, 07:56 AM
You guys didn't ask my opinion and,to be fair,my technical knowledge of the sport isn't expert-level...but I'd love to see how Serena would do under the ORIGINAL tennis rules(i.e.,one serve,no faults).Even though her accuracy is often quite good,she couldn't afford to go for nearly as much on her 'first serves'...cuz there would BE no second serve and she'd lose a ton of points with serves that landed outside the lines.She'd have to work a LOT harder for points,even on grass...and she couldn't depend on aces to bail her out so much,especially on windy days.

Having said that,she'd likely have been a HOF'er,anyway...but considerably less dominant.Since Petra doesn't depend on her serve hardly as much,she wouldn't be so affected by playing under the old rules...and she might be a better grass player under such conditions

Very true.

TennisAddict84
Aug 11th, 2012, 08:02 AM
Do you think Petra will/can beat her one day?

If Petra gets her all court game together and becomes mentally tougher, absolutely. Even in that Wimby QF, if Petra had played a smarter tactical match, it could've gone to 3 sets and then who knows what would've happened.

Petronius
Aug 11th, 2012, 09:19 AM
Do you think Petra will/can beat her one day?

It depends. Serena will decline with age, but even a 37-year old Navratilova beat a 24-year old Graf (Tokyo, 1993).

Who knows.

Excelscior
Aug 11th, 2012, 01:04 PM
Do you think Petra will/can beat her one day?

I don't see why not, especially if Petra is playing great, and Serena is not playing at/near her best.

Excelscior
Aug 11th, 2012, 03:39 PM
Unfortunately for many of you Europeans, Petra's match is not scheduled till 8pm tonight, US EST, and I guess 1-3am in Europe on Center Court.

paulmara
Aug 11th, 2012, 03:43 PM
Unfortunately for many of you Europeans, Petra's match is not scheduled till 8pm tonight, US EST, and I guess 1-3am in Europe on Center Court.

They changed it ?
I saw Not Before 6:30 PM

Cincinnati part 1 draw
http://assets.usta.com/assets/663/15/MDS_(2).pdf

Mynarco
Aug 11th, 2012, 03:44 PM
Paszek/CSN can be a tricky HC player :lol:
Petra'd better not be careless

Excelscior
Aug 11th, 2012, 03:45 PM
Well stated. Yeah, agree with your points. Serena may be a better athlete, but Petra is def more of a shot maker. And Serena knows that Petra is also the ONE player she can't just blast off the court or comfortably play first strike tennis against. Serena's serve...on grass...OTOH...is a different matter altogether

Yes, Serena's a more explosive athlete, and Petra's a better shotmaker.

But even then, when Petra is on her game, she can use her excellent flexibility, balance and reach to hit some of the most impossible shots (on the stretch-up and down and on the run) for winners. It's uncanny. You think she's not going to get to it, then Boom! She does a whole lot more with it than you ever expected, from a defensive position (or at least not an offensive one) to boot. Ahh, we want that Petra to come back on the regular soon. :hearts: :hearts:

But that's in the past, till seen otherwise. :) I'm not trying to Jinx Petra for her match tonight.

As of this moment, she still SUCKS! :lol: :tape: :lol:

Excelscior
Aug 11th, 2012, 03:50 PM
They changed it ?
I saw Not Before 6:30 PM

Cincinnati part 1 draw
http://assets.usta.com/assets/663/15/MDS_(2).pdf


OK/Kool. You are correct. And they did change it, yes. :yeah:

steni
Aug 11th, 2012, 04:06 PM
Yes, Serena's a more explosive athlete, and Petra's a better shotmaker.

But even then, when Petra is on her game, she can use her excellent flexibility, balance and reach to hit some of the most impossible shots (on the stretch-up and down and on the run) for winners. It's uncanny. You think she's not going to get to it, then Boom! She does a whole lot more with it than you ever expected, from a defensive position (or at least not an offensive one) to boot. Ahh, we want that Petra to come back on the regular soon. :hearts: :hearts:

But that's in the past, till seen otherwise. :) I'm not trying to Jinx Petra for her match tonight.

As of this moment, she still SUCKS! :lol: :tape: :lol:

When she is on? or When she isn't lazy and cares?

Excelscior
Aug 11th, 2012, 04:32 PM
When she is on? or When she isn't lazy and cares?

Now now Steni. Let's show some more positivity before Petra's match tonight/this evening. :lol:

Petra's very complicated. She's got a lot of stuff going on. And I think the fact that she didn't travel a lot when younger, go to an academy, and play ultra competitive juniors at a young age has both helped and held her back in some respects, up until this point in her career.

Because of those factors (along with Petra's personality), we'll have to wait at least until next season-as Sam Smith, Petronius, Tennisaddict 84, etc., have said, before we can make that type of evaluation.

Last year she came to please. This year, no so much, with the dissapointments.

Just stay tuned for the rest of the year, and maybe some good things will/can happen? :confused:

Just don't expect her to win. No matter how much she impresses. And take it match by match. If/when she does win or please, then you can breathe a nice smile. Got it? :lol:

steni
Aug 11th, 2012, 04:47 PM
Now now Steni. Let's show some more positivity before Petra's match tonight/this evening. :lol:

Petra's very complicated. She's got a lot of stuff going on. And I think the fact that she didn't travel a lot when younger, go to an academy, and play ultra competitive juniors at a young age has both helped and held her back in some respects, up until this point in her career.

Because of those factors (along with Petra's personality), we'll have to wait at least until next season-as Sam Smith, Petronius, Tennisaddict 84, etc., have said, before we can make that type of evaluation.

Last year she came to please. This year, no so much, with the dissapointments.

Just stay tuned for the rest of the year, and maybe some good things will/can happen? :confused:

Just don't expect her to win. No matter how much she impresses. And take it match by match. If/when she does win or please, then you can breathe a nice smile. Got it? :lol:

She better win today, cause my day is half ruined so far thanks to Brazil's misery!

steni
Aug 11th, 2012, 06:45 PM
So Paszek beat Navarro 6-3 6-0 with a 49% on first serve, 3 aces and 4 DF. Im guessing Navarro played like crap, just 37% on first serve 1 ace and 4 DF. Petra better dont be too overconfident and play good, 1-0 H2H (Linz 2008)

Petronius
Aug 11th, 2012, 08:18 PM
So Paszek beat Navarro 6-3 6-0 with a 49% on first serve, 3 aces and 4 DF. Im guessing Navarro played like crap, just 37% on first serve 1 ace and 4 DF. Petra better dont be too overconfident and play good, 1-0 H2H (Linz 2008)

To put it into a different perspective: it will be a match between two well-endowed Central European women. :oh:

Seriously, it would be great, if Petra maintained the momentum. No jet-leg or bad surface excuses allowed. :cool:

steni
Aug 11th, 2012, 09:26 PM
To put it into a different perspective: it will be a match between two well-endowed Central European women. :oh:

Seriously, it would be great, if Petra maintained the momentum. No jet-leg or bad surface excuses allowed. :cool:

Apparently is gonna rain in the evening... :(

Excelscior
Aug 11th, 2012, 10:37 PM
Petra rained out tonight, according to Eurosport.

I guess we wait for the new schedule tonight, and/or see who plays tomorrow, starting at 11:30?

The irony is, the men were being rained on in Toronto earlier. I guess the rain is judging going back and forth?

Petronius
Aug 11th, 2012, 10:41 PM
Apparently is gonna rain in the evening... :(

I stayed awake well past midnight to watch the match and now this :o

Excelscior
Aug 11th, 2012, 10:48 PM
I stayed awake well past midnight to watch the match and now this :o

Yeah.

Chances are the winner of Petra vs Pasek, will have to play 2X tommorow, then play the final the following day, unless they move it back? :eek:

That's only my speculation. But we'll see?

Excelscior
Aug 11th, 2012, 10:50 PM
And it's funny, they kept showing a dark cloud on Camera during the Wozniaki match. Why didn't they play Petra vs Pasek right after Wozniaki finished?

More than likely, they would of finished the match (though I don't know how long it started to rain after the Woz vs Lepchenko match, in that -2hr window).

Oh well.

steni
Aug 11th, 2012, 10:56 PM
Yeah.

Chances are the winner of Petra vs Pasek, will have to play 2X tommorow, then play the final the following day, unless they move it back? :eek:

That's only my speculation. But we'll see?

They said not matches before 8:00 pm
Hope Petra Express shows up today, however people in GM are saying Paszek is playing really well blah blah blah... Can you believe this, someone called Petra "that pregnant girl":hysteric:

TennisAddict84
Aug 11th, 2012, 11:24 PM
it's supposed to rain throughout the night though...they might as well just officially cancel instead of making Petra wait around

Petronius
Aug 11th, 2012, 11:52 PM
it's supposed to rain throughout the night though...they might as well just officially cancel instead of making Petra wait around

Courts are being dried now. Matches should start in 20 minutes, 8:10 pm Montreal time.

Petra moved to C1.

steni
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:07 AM
Courts are being dried now. Matches should start in 20 minutes, 8:10 pm Montreal time.

Petra moved to C1.

Motherf*** now I cant watch sh***

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:20 AM
Wozniaki 2nd match today has already started (though there's no score yet). And it looks like Petra's map is being prepped. We'll see?

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:23 AM
Kvitova and Pasek are on the court now. Can you guys get a video? Cause if so, I'm hoping live score hunter will find it. I think Court 1 has video, cause I think I saw Li Na playing on it (unless I'm mistaken).

Petronius
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:23 AM
The match should not start until 8:40 pm, too late for me. Good night guys, looking forward to your reports.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:25 AM
Eurosport is not even showing the Wozniaki match at the moment. I hate Livescore. Lol

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:26 AM
The match should not start until 8:40 pm, too late for me. Good night guys, looking forward to your reports.

I know you're going to bed Petronius. But where did you hear 8:40? From who?

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:30 AM
The match started on Livescore. Petra's serving. 15-15.

Rex59
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:48 AM
Eurosport is not even showing the Wozniaki match at the moment. I hate Livescore. Lol

Yes they are and Kvitova's match has been dismissed from the video.... No stream:fiery:

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:48 AM
I know alot of you guys are asleep, but following this on Livescore. Petra's up 3-1, on her serve and it's deuce now.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:49 AM
Yes they are and Kvitova's match has been dismissed from the video.... No stream:fiery:

That was then, you're talking about now. :lol::lol:

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:49 AM
Yeah. Petra got bumped for Wozniaki, who had already played earlier. WTF? Adv Petra. 4-1 Petra now. She just held.

mac47
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:51 AM
I'm not watching right now, but the scoreboard says that Petra's up 4-1, and that Paszek broke her for the only game she has. In fact, Paszek has yet to win a point ON HER OWN SERVE. How ya like that return game? I smell blowout.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:52 AM
Pasek up 40-0 on her serve now. I wonder if that's just Petra cutting loose, or Pasek playing well, cause the points were relatively short. 4-1 now.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:53 AM
4-2 Petra now. Sorry.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:54 AM
@Mac.

I looked at the stats on Live score, but didn't look too closely (obviously), cause I didn't want to get happy about what I saw, at least till Petra won the set (knock on wood a million times). Lol.

30-0 Petra.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:54 AM
30-15.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:56 AM
It's still 30-15. Okay, now it's 40-15. Now it's 5-2. Set is breezing along so far.

steni
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:56 AM
It seems Petra is taking adventage of this chick second serve

steni
Aug 12th, 2012, 12:59 AM
I want to watch

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:01 AM
5-3 Petra.

0-15 on her serve. Pasek won her last service game. 40-15. Petra missing first serves. But it's 15-15 now. 2nd serve again. DF for Petra. 15-30 Petra. Hope she keeps her composure, and serves well.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:01 AM
That was Petra's first, and hopefully last DF serve.

15-40 Petra now. Not sure what's going on with her serve at the moment. OK, ace #2 for Petra. 30-40.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:03 AM
Deuce.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:03 AM
2nd serve again. Still deuce

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:04 AM
Set Point Petra.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:05 AM
Petra wins 1st set 6-3. And as a side bar, Safarova killed the hot Vinci 6-2 in the first set, and leads 1-0 in the 2nd set, with an early break.

steni
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:05 AM
5-3 Petra.

0-15 on her serve. Pasek won her last service game. 40-15. Petra missing first serves. But it's 15-15 now. 2nd serve again. DF for Petra. 15-30 Petra. Hope she keeps her composure, and serves well.

What else is new? thank goodness she has a good second serve!

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:06 AM
Vinci must be tired from all her great play earlier in this tournament.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:07 AM
I hope Petra is creaming Pasek's first and second serves again? 15-15

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:09 AM
30-30

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:10 AM
BP Petra.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:11 AM
1-0 Petra. She's up a break. Safarova is up 2-0 in the second set on Vinci, and they're at deuce now on Vinci's serve.

Safarova won the first set 6-2.

15-15 on Petra's serve now.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:13 AM
40-15

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:14 AM
2-0.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:14 AM
15-0 Pasek. Ace. I guess she's going for the lines more?

2nd serve.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:15 AM
30-0 Paszek

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:16 AM
Petra must be taking this service game off. 40-15. Was 40-0 Paszek.

2nd serve.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:17 AM
40-30. Can Petra get it to deuce?

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:17 AM
Yes, she did. Deuce.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:18 AM
2nd serve Paszek.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:18 AM
DF Pasek. I guess she was going for those lines again. BP Petra.

Mmmhhh. Deuce. Not sure what happened there, but it was quick.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:19 AM
BP Petra again. And that was quick, so it must of been a nice return or error by Paszek.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:20 AM
3-0

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:21 AM
Petra will serve now at 3-0. 0-15.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:22 AM
15-15 quick. 2nd serve.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:22 AM
15-30.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:23 AM
15-30. I guess Petra's not taking this serving game to seriously. Let's see if she comes back. She's already been broken once this game so far. That's enough. Lol

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Ace #3 Petra. 30-40 now.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:24 AM
2nd serve.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:25 AM
Petra gets broken. She better break right back, and stay up 2 breaks.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:25 AM
15-0 Paszek, and it was after a 2nd serve. I hope if Petra's taken a siesta, it's a mini one.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:25 AM
15 all.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:27 AM
40-15 Pasek. I hope if Petra's taking a siesta, she wakes up soon. 3-2 Petra now. Paszek held.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:28 AM
Safarova is up 5-2, and 15-0 on her serve in the 2nd set. She's killing Vinci. 30-0 now.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:29 AM
Still on Changeover, but Petra needs to handle her business, and come out gunz a blazin. 15-0, 3-2 Petra.

30-0 now.

On a side note, Safarova won already, in 58 min.

Back to Petra. She held at love, with her 4th ace. 4-2 Petra. Hopefully she's angry now.

mac47
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:32 AM
Hey, Excelscior, there is a live scores thread, but it's not this one.

Partly my fault. I posted the score and the stat about Petra winning all of Paszek's service points up until 4-1 in the first.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:32 AM
Safarova won 6-2 6-2. Wow!

Paszek serving now at 0-15. Shucks; now 15-15

2nd serve. 15-30

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:33 AM
Hey, Excelscior, there is a live scores thread, but it's not this one.

Partly my fault. I posted the score and the stat about Petra winning all of Paszek's service points up until 4-1 in the first.

No probs.

And it's 15-40. Dbl BP for Petra.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:34 AM
DF for Paszek. I guess she was going for those lines again?

Petra up 5-2, and ready to serve. I hope she holds easily. Lol

steni
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:35 AM
Petra better finish this here and than go to sleep!

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:35 AM
15-0 Petra.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:36 AM
30-0 Petra.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:36 AM
40-0 Petra. 5th ace.

steni
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:37 AM
Congrats everybody! lol

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:37 AM
Petra wins 6-3 6-2 in 1hr 7 min.

I'm not sure who she plays next, but anyway you look at it, it will be a challenge on paper in it's own way. Lol

Congrats Petra.

steni
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:38 AM
Petra wins 6-3 6-2.

I'm not sure who she plays next, but anyway you look at it, it will be a challenge on paper in it's own way. Lol

Congrats Petra.

Wozniacki or Wozniak! they are having the match on ESPN2

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:41 AM
Petra wins 6-3 6-2 in 1hr 7 min.

I'm not sure who she plays next, but anyway you look at it, it will be a challenge on paper in it's own way. Lol

Congrats Petra.

Wozniacki or Wozniak! they are having the match on ESPN2

Oh. OK.

We'll see?

They're still playing.

steni
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:46 AM
Oh. OK.

We'll see?

They're still playing.

Are you watching?

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:48 AM
Not really. In and out. I'm kinda doing a lot of things. But I have the Live score on.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 02:00 AM
Wozniaki up 5-3 in the second set.

Winner Plays Petra tomorrow on CC in the 2nd match, not before 5pm.

Safarova will play Ni La on CC, not before 1:30 pm.

Barktra
Aug 12th, 2012, 02:03 AM
Could we possibly see Petra with a north amercian hard court title :eek:

This tournament has already exceeded all my expectations :worship:

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 02:05 AM
Woz looks like she's about to win. Up 40-0 on her serve with a 5-4 lead.

Winner plays Petra on CC Sun, not before 5pm.

Safarova and Ni La play each other on CC, not before 1:30 pm.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 02:08 AM
One match, step at a time folks. :)

Deuce, and 2nd serve with Woz now.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 02:10 AM
Wow. Deuce again. I know this is Petra's thread. But I started it (and she plays the winner), so just reporting it as I read the Livescore. Lol. Oh. Adv Woz again.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 02:11 AM
Deuce again, by the Canadian. Lol

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 02:13 AM
Woz wins, and plays Petra tomorrow at 5pm, weather permitting. And no, I did not check or know what the weather report is tomorrow.

steni
Aug 12th, 2012, 02:42 AM
Wozniacki-Wozniak was so physical match, really long rallies, the Canadian just didn't have the power to blow Wozniacki off the court, Petra beware of the pusher!

bruce goose
Aug 12th, 2012, 04:44 AM
Steni:She better win today, cause my day is half ruined so far thanks to Bra---MMMPHH!
Arnoldo: :kiss::kiss::kiss:,etc.
Steni: (:drool:THERE!Now my day's not so bad:cool:)

Now that Petra has won,you should've had a SUPER day:p!

bruce goose
Aug 12th, 2012, 04:55 AM
Uhhh...folks,the enthusiasm for Petra is certainly appreciated,but could we return to the Live Scores thread for the NEXT match's point-by-point?I'm sure that some Czechs might not be happy to read my doubts that Lucie would have won so easily w/o the extra rest...if she had won AT ALL.Caro actually beat the hometown girl despite a big disadvantage in that department...while Li and Aga competed on reasonably equal ground.To be fair,Petra had an unfair edge,too but,given her current level,even today's defeated foe might concede that Petra:hearts: would've won,anyway:)

Petronius
Aug 12th, 2012, 11:03 AM
Total points won: 60-38 for Petra

BTW, I can't find any video highlights. Neither on youtube, nor on the Rogers Cup website.

Sasja
Aug 12th, 2012, 11:21 AM
Nice straight sets win against Paszek :yeah:

SF against Wozniacki tonight at 23.00 CET. Please no :rain: today.
Good to see Petra having a good result on the HC here. Saw her match against Marion.
Slowly picking up her 2011 form. Hope she be able to that against Caro as well.

ArcticMoose
Aug 12th, 2012, 01:43 PM
Petra rained out tonight, according to Eurosport.

I guess we wait for the new schedule tonight, and/or see who plays tomorrow, starting at 11:30?

The irony is, the men were being rained on in Toronto earlier. I guess the rain is judging going back and forth?

Woz wins, and plays Petra tomorrow at 5pm, weather permitting. And no, I did not check or know what the weather report is tomorrow.
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1642700101/FEHM4722__4__normal.jpg Katie Spellman ‏@Spellman_Katie (http://twitter.com/Spellman_Katie)
Good morning from a beautiful, sunny Montreal. Ready for the @CoupeRogers (http://twitter.com/CoupeRogers) semifinals today

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:help:Please make accurate calls:oh: on the weather rather than misleading:sobbing: the whole of the subforum with wild guesses:hysteric:

steni
Aug 12th, 2012, 04:08 PM
Total points won: 60-38 for Petra

BTW, I can't find any video highlights. Neither on youtube, nor on the Rogers Cup website.

I think that court doesnt have tv cameras and if it does they are not showing the matches, thats why there are no videos available, Li Na-Radwanska played there yesterday and they didnt have the match on tv or live stream.

steni
Aug 12th, 2012, 04:15 PM
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Good morning from a beautiful, sunny Montreal. Ready for the @CoupeRogers (http://twitter.com/CoupeRogers) semifinals today

https://p.twimg.com/A0GSroDCMAEiPNm.jpg (http://twitter.com/Spellman_Katie/status/234629933777956864/photo/1/large)
:help:Please make accurate calls:oh: on the weather rather than misleading:sobbing: the whole of the subforum with wild guesses:hysteric:

The weather channel said its gonna be partly or mostly cloudy, a stray shower or thunderstorm is possible but so far the day is fine. However Petra plays until 5 so who knows!

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 04:20 PM
http://a0.twimg.com/profile_images/1642700101/FEHM4722__4__normal.jpg Katie Spellman ‏@Spellman_Katie (http://twitter.com/Spellman_Katie)
Good morning from a beautiful, sunny Montreal. Ready for the @CoupeRogers (http://twitter.com/CoupeRogers) semifinals today

https://p.twimg.com/A0GSroDCMAEiPNm.jpg (http://twitter.com/Spellman_Katie/status/234629933777956864/photo/1/large)
:help:Please make accurate calls:oh: on the weather rather than misleading:sobbing: the whole of the subforum with wild guesses:hysteric:

I didn't give wild speculation. All I said was "weather permitting". :) And I clearly stated I hadn't checked the weather report. :eek:

Now, the weather Sunday may not be that great anyway (unless they're backed up). Ni La just got bumped from 12pm to 5pm. This means Petra now plays after that match, around 6:30-7pm.

The situation has been extremely fluid and uncertain at this very rainy tournament. Which was my whole point in the first place.

As far as what I said about Saturday night, you're right! That's because Eurosport made it sound like the match wasn't going to be played last night, when they went off the air.

Excelscior
Aug 12th, 2012, 04:46 PM
What? But this people are a mess, this tournament is crap, why the dont play when the weather is fine, now I bet is gonna rain in the evening again!

Yeah, crazy tournament.

I checked last night, and Ni La was supposed to play at 12pm today. I turned on the stream at 12:10 pm, and I see Soccer. So I checked the schedule on the tournament website, and it looked like it said 5pm (unless I read it wrong, cause it's not always the most clear website schedule), with Petra vs Woz after.

OMG.

So with a double check, Ni La is scheduled for 1:30 pm, and Petra at 5pm. Crazy tournament. And stupid website.

I guess it's raining again? :lol::lol:

This tournament, it's scheduling, website and me, has been truly crazy indeed. :lol: :tape: :lol:

Vikapower
Aug 12th, 2012, 04:54 PM
So Wozzy it is ? Theoretically Petra hates defensive-minded counter-punchers/retrievers and almost always seems to deliver her very best against these kinds of players.

This match is kind of hard to predict, Petra also lost to Kirilenko in the Olympics an offensive-minded counter-puncher -- thing is Wozniacki is just a simple-plain defender/retriever who can't create anything on a tennis court contrary to players like Kirilenko, Christina or Angelique Kerber, heck Jelena Jankovic too hence why most of them also owns(ed) Wozniacki (as far as Christina and Angelique goes for the present -- Jelena used to own Wozniacki too for the same reasons).

Counter-punching player who give or gave Petra problems are offensive-minded, they're able to defend effectively waiting for their opportunities, they're able to see these opportunities, step on the base-line and put shots away effectively -- turn defense into offense with aggressive shots, they can also play some aggressive base-line tennis to different extents by taking the ball early - absorbing-redirecting pace for winning shots or to simply put the opponent on the back foot etc., things Wozniacki is not even close to being able to do to really put Petra out of her comfort zone -- will be an interesting match, we'll see.

I don't expect Wozniacki to just retrieve nevertheless (I doubt) but trying to play weak offense against probably the most offensive player of the WTA tour (especially on this relatively quick Deco II hard-court) especially if she's really up her game isn't going to cut it -- Wozniacki might find herself quickly out of solution and will just do her usual retrieving after a few blistering winners from Petra.

Petra in two easy sets FTW --

SIDENOTE : If Petra wants to win this tournament, she really has to kind of hope Li loses to Safarova (which I doubt since the Chinese "seems" to be back on form) --

Li is the prototype self of the aggressive-baseliner with super-aggressive counter-punching capabilities something which really really hurts Petra. Li can hit winners from anywhere and any given defensive situation, she can defend Petra's power-shots and counter-attack them to create winning shots herself -- not a really good prospect.

TennisAddict84
Aug 12th, 2012, 05:12 PM
So Wozzy it is ? Theoretically Petra hates defensive-minded counter-punchers/retrievers and almost always seems to deliver her very best against these kinds of players.

This match is kind of hard to predict, Petra also lost to Kirilenko in the Olympics an offensive-minded counter-puncher -- thing is Wozniacki is just a simple-plain defender/retriever who can't create anything on a tennis court contrary to players like Kirilenko, Christina or Angelique Kerber, heck Jelena Jankovic too hence why most of them also owns(ed) Wozniacki (as far as Christina and Angelique goes for the present -- Jelena used to own Wozniacki too for the same reasons).

Counter-punching player who give or gave Petra problems are offensive-minded, they're able to defend effectively waiting for their opportunities, they're able to see these opportunities, step on the base-line and put shots away effectively -- turn defense into offense with aggressive shots, they can also play some aggressive base-line tennis to different extents by taking the ball early - absorbing-redirecting pace for winning shots or to simply put the opponent on the back foot etc., things Wozniacki is not even close to being able to do to really put Petra out of her comfort zone -- will be an interesting match, we'll see.

I don't expect Wozniacki to just retrieve nevertheless (I doubt) but trying to play weak offense against probably the most offensive player of the WTA tour (especially on this relatively quick Deco II hard-court) especially if she's really up her game isn't going to cut it -- Wozniacki might find herself quickly out of solution and will just do her usual retrieving after a few blistering winners from Petra.

Petra in two easy sets FTW --

SIDENOTE : If Petra wants to win this tournament, she really has to kind of hope Li loses to Safarova (which I doubt since the Chinese "seems" to be back on form) --

Li is the prototype self of the aggressive-baseliner with super-aggressive counter-punching capabilities something which really really hurts Petra. Li can hit winners from anywhere and any given defensive situation, she can defend Petra's power-shots and counter-attack them to create winning shots herself -- not a really good prospect.

In Petra's past 3 set matches against Li Na, Petra always seems to win the 1st set relatively easy, only to then self implode the rest of the match. IMO, I always feel like they bring out the worst in each other when they play. BUT, if Petra makes the final, I would still prefer to see her play against Li Na to better gauge where her game is ATM because apparently Li Na has been playing very well.

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 12th, 2012, 06:23 PM
In Petra's past 3 set matches against Li Na, Petra always seems to win the 1st set relatively easy, only to then self implode the rest of the match. IMO, I always feel like they bring out the worst in each other when they play. BUT, if Petra makes the final, I would still prefer to see her play against Li Na to better gauge where her game is ATM because apparently Li Na has been playing very well.

At some point and time, and preferably before the next YEC, Petra needs to start stepping it up against the Top 10s. It was a definite step forward demolishing Bartoli the other day. A start maybe...

At the same time, any tournament wins which lead to that point (return to YEC 2011 form) can only be confidence builders for Petra. She needs to get her mojo back and have confidence in her game again badly; a controlled, confident, intense, return to form.

:worship: Good luck Petra and Lucie!!! Czech Fed Cup girls rule!!! :worship:

steni
Aug 12th, 2012, 07:34 PM
Oh my gosh Safarova sucks pretty bad, and still remember someone saying here that she was better than Petra lol, this chick is bad!

bruce goose
Aug 12th, 2012, 08:00 PM
Prior to the choke,when Lucie was up 5-1,I checked the H2H and was surprised to see that Petra had never played her(some of you Czechs might know about juniors matches)---and they STILL haven't played:lol:

Honestly,I've never enjoyed the prospect of winning a Premier vs. an overachieving,inferior opponent so,for ME,it's better that Petra is earning it against challenging foes

Vikapower
Aug 12th, 2012, 11:00 PM
In Petra's past 3 set matches against Li Na, Petra always seems to win the 1st set relatively easy, only to then self implode the rest of the match. IMO, I always feel like they bring out the worst in each other when they play. BUT, if Petra makes the final, I would still prefer to see her play against Li Na to better gauge where her game is ATM because apparently Li Na has been playing very well.

:lol: Exactly -- afterwards I was thinking about that. When Petra wins the first set playing awesome tennis, Li always seems to play her worst then when Li finally ups her level, Petra considerably downs hers. :lol:

It's like two magnets with the same polarities -- they repulse each other how strong you try to bring them together -- :lol:

Well Petra is 3-6 6-2 to Caroline, didn't see what happened in the two first sets :tape: I knew this match was hard to predict but I still took a risk with Petra in two easy sets. :help: Hopefully she wins the third.

Apparently Petra couldn't find the court in the first set.

Rex59
Aug 12th, 2012, 11:10 PM
OT: Cincinnati maindraw. Kvitova and Barthel in the same qtr. with a possible 2nd round meeting, if Mona gets by MJMS. Longing to see these 2 meet, providing they both play their best, specifically Mona showing promise in the early part of this year, ere fading since Strasbourg. Two faves.....

Excelscior
Aug 13th, 2012, 12:05 AM
Petra wins.

It's funny. Kvitova threw away Woz's next to last return game in the third set, so she could serve the match out. And after some long rallies and tough breaks, Woz luckily/unexpectedly broke Petra.

Then Petra breaks back for 6-3. But she could of won 6-1, and should of won 6-2, in the third set, obviously. Oh well.

And of course, Petronius, Sam and her partner on Eurosport weren't counting Woz & Petra's Hopman Cup match earlier this year in Australia, in Petra's win total. :lol: :lol:

But I guess all you Europeans are asleep now anyway?

Onward.

TennisAddict84
Aug 13th, 2012, 12:09 AM
:lol: Exactly -- afterwards I was thinking about that. When Petra wins the first set playing awesome tennis, Li always seems to play her worst then when Li finally ups her level, Petra considerably downs hers. :lol:

It's like two magnets with the same polarities -- they repulse each other how strong you try to bring them together -- :lol:

Well Petra is 3-6 6-2 to Caroline, didn't see what happened in the two first sets :tape: I knew this match was hard to predict but I still took a risk with Petra in two easy sets. :help: Hopefully she wins the third.

Apparently Petra couldn't find the court in the first set.

:lol: so true

yea Petra was too impatient in the 1st set, not constructing points, and just trying to hit her way out of trouble...2nd & 3rd sets, she finally buckled down to business and demonstrated her all court prowess

woz was playing her usual pushing style, but actually played pretty well in the 1st set...the best i've seen her in a long time...serving well for her standards and getting a lot of balls back w/ decent depth, but just got outplayed and demoralized in the 2nd and 3rd sets

Excelscior
Aug 13th, 2012, 01:14 AM
ESPN 3 list tomorrows LIVE final at 7pm Canadian/US EST Monday night.

Note: The Rogers website hasn't updated their site yet, for tomorrows match.

Besides ESPN 3, you can catch THE REPLAY on ESPN2-on Cable TV in the US at 10pm Monday night.

Hopefully, we'll have good reason to look at the replay? :) :)

Mynarco
Aug 13th, 2012, 01:21 AM
Does Petra need to play New Haven now (she asked for WC)

Vikapower
Aug 13th, 2012, 01:27 AM
First set seemed pretty bad -- 36 winners for 43 unforced errors at the end. Happy she made the F but I don't really think she's defeating Li (I'll eat my words if she does) --

Anyways this tournament is more of "confidence" tournament for Petra to know she can do a little bit better on US hard-courts so doesn't really matter if she wins the title or not for me anyways.

Excelscior
Aug 13th, 2012, 01:48 AM
Does Petra need to play New Haven now (she asked for WC)

I think that all depends on her performance tomorrow, doesn't? But so far so good.

@Vikapower

Mmmhhh. Ye have little fate, I see (unless you generally like Li Na). Lol That's kool.

And you talk about Petra's first set. Yeah, she made errors. But she also rushed her shots, and you can tell she was still in control, despite the score and the errors. And to Petra's credit, she cleaned it up.

Li Na on the other hand, was near abysmal vs Safarova. And she is lucky Safarova handed her the match, after she went up 5-1. Check Na's errors to winners for the match (something like 22win to 44UE, and she still won). Not very impressive.

I'm guessing, you really didn't see one of, or either match, did you? :lol:

mikireturns
Aug 13th, 2012, 02:02 AM
Petra certainly displayed a fantastic bit of mental fortitude today in terms of getting her big game under control and asserting her superiority over Woz, who could do nothing to stop her, once the balance was established.

Focus is everything for Petra and she is demonstrating a level of renewed confidence we haven't seen in this many matches in awhile. I love to see her PLAY HER GAME, and that's what she did today. Moving well, using the court well, intimidating the hell out Woz, and fusing her athleticism with her tactical approach. Petra is not just a ball bashing machine, as we know. She has superb instincts and she got the job done beautifully in the last two sets.

Na will be confident tomorrow; it doesn't matter that Safarova choked like few have ever choked. Na took the choke, so she'll be ready, but her level of play is not anywhere near that of Petra, from what I saw, so I expect that Petra will not only make focus an issue tomorrow, she will enjoy the pace much better.

If Petra wins (and I think she will in straights) and manages to sink her teeth into the draw at Flushing Meadows, then I think she is to be a serious Open contender ... As in: she or Serena will win.

TennisAddict84
Aug 13th, 2012, 02:11 AM
Petra certainly displayed a fantastic bit of mental fortitude today in terms of getting her big game under control and asserting her superiority over Woz, who could do nothing to stop her, once the balance was established.

Focus is everything for Petra and she is demonstrating a level of renewed confidence we haven't seen in this many matches in awhile. I love to see her PLAY HER GAME, and that's what she did today. Moving well, using the court well, intimidating the hell out Woz, and fusing her athleticism with her tactical approach. Petra is not just a ball bashing machine, as we know. She has superb instincts and she got the job done beautifully in the last two sets.

Na will be confident tomorrow; it doesn't matter that Safarova choked like few have ever choked. Na took the choke, so she'll be ready, but her level of play is not anywhere near that of Petra, from what I saw, so I expect that Petra will not only make focus an issue tomorrow, she will enjoy the pace much better.

If Petra wins (and I think she will in straights) and manages to sink her teeth into the draw at Flushing Meadows, then I think she is to be a serious Open contender ... As in: she or Serena will win.

Well stated. Yeah, the last 2 sets were brilliant and reminiscent of YEC Petra to me.

steni
Aug 13th, 2012, 03:52 AM
Blah I think this match against the chinese is in Petra's raquet, ability and desire to win. After all the bullshit she is been through I don't think she wants to lose this match, we all know the tactics every player use against Petra, so is up to her to win, and she better.

steni
Aug 13th, 2012, 04:18 AM
OT: Cincinnati maindraw. Kvitova and Barthel in the same qtr. with a possible 2nd round meeting, if Mona gets by MJMS. Longing to see these 2 meet, providing they both play their best, specifically Mona showing promise in the early part of this year, ere fading since Strasbourg. Two faves.....

Petra is 9-1 against players she had to face for the first time this year, so hopefully is gonna be 10-1. This is gonna be the first time against Martínez Sánchez or Barthel.

bruce goose
Aug 13th, 2012, 04:52 AM
Am looking forward to posting a special homage to Petra's victory tomorrow evening,but I'm not gonna tell anyone what it was if Petra somehow blows it.She'll get it right eventually,and we'll celebrate it appropriately whenever it happens;)

Holdsworth
Aug 13th, 2012, 05:06 AM
Does Petra need to play New Haven now (she asked for WC)
Petra asked WC in New Heaven probably because she didn't expect good results in Canada and Cinci, but she is already in the final :worship:

Sasja
Aug 13th, 2012, 07:21 AM
Only saw the last set against Caro, but I liked what I saw. Some really nice winners, serves and winning her service games comfortable.
She was in control and you could also tell by the way she walked on court. Shouldn't have lost her serve at 5-2 which came out of nowhere, but that was solved quickly :p

Saw bits of the 2011 Petra which is great to see. Her game is so amazing to watch when she hits well :drool:

First final of the year :cheer:

paulmara
Aug 13th, 2012, 08:33 AM
http://i023.radikal.ru/1208/7e/b9cc4035001d.jpg

steni
Aug 13th, 2012, 11:11 AM
Wozniacki had 21 UE lol, thats new for me!

Excelscior
Aug 13th, 2012, 01:23 PM
@Steni

Wozniaki had only 4 UE in the first set, and about 5 in the second set (though she only had about 3-5 winners total).

Woz played near error free tennis (compared to Petra's 20+ in the first set alone), during the first two sets.

Wozniaki ended up with 21 UE, cause Petra had broke her spirit, played better, made Wozniaki frustrated, and put constant pressure on her.

mac47
Aug 13th, 2012, 01:50 PM
24 net approaches. Delicious. GTFO, you non-volleying baseliners.

Petronius
Aug 13th, 2012, 02:34 PM
24 net approaches. Delicious. GTFO, you non-volleying baseliners.

This was pointed out by Mats Wilander before the Istanbul final. Petra said "I think that's my advantage."

There's definitely some Navratilova influence there. I presume she watched many Martina's matches and realized that good NETPLAY works and can win you matches and titles.