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18majors
Aug 20th, 2011, 04:59 PM
Petra is a Wimbledon champion, she knows it and everybody else know it. Of course, there are extra pressures, tons of it.

But Petra will eventually deal with it. Like Billy Jean King said "...Pressure is privilege."

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 20th, 2011, 10:21 PM
I would disagree with that.
- Petko is better player than you may think, basically top10 and she is in good form. HCs are her best surface too.
- Dip in play after winning first major does happen very often. Just check results Li Na, Schiavone had.
- PK's game is at disadvantage on outdoor HCs due to her low margin strokes.
- Add the asthma which she needs to learn to manage better there.
- I definitely see improvements there when looking at two matches she played with Petko. Cincy match was almost 2 hours long, just compare it with Toronto.

This is more than few odds stacked against her. SO, yea, I do not think I would be too negative. I think that she is getting better and it is on the right path. However it is not a flick of the switch, it is a process which may need to take another 4-6 weeks. As long as she stays positive and fights, she'll be OK and win some tournaments too before the end of the year. Petro, pojd!!:fiery:

Well said Bikez. It's way too early to scream 'The sky is falling!' Sooner or later she's going to snap out of it. Wouldn't surprise me at all if she has a great US Open, even after all her recent tribulations. :cool:

mac47
Aug 21st, 2011, 04:08 AM
I live in Mason, OH, where the Cincy tournament is held, and I bought tickets for quarters, semis, and finals. I was gutted when Petra didn't make it to the days I was booked to watch. Instead, all the players left were ones I don't care about (JJ, Zvonareva, Petkovic) or even ones I despise (Masha).

But I was surprised to see Kvitova after all. She was on a practice court with Kotyza and her fitness trainer, looking tired and pooped from the heat and humidity. Glad to see she's dedicated and working hard.

The Masha-Vera hatch was horrendous. Total mental implosion from Vera.

The highlight of my day was sitting in the front row behind the baseline for men's doubles. Saw Llodra-Zimonjic win, and saw Leander Paes and Bhupathi beat the Bryans. I had more fun watching doubles than singles, by far.

I hope Kvitova has a great US Open.

bruce goose
Aug 21st, 2011, 05:38 AM
Well said Bikez. It's way too early to scream 'The sky is falling!' Sooner or later she's going to snap out of it. Wouldn't surprise me at all if she has a great US Open, even after all her recent tribulations. :cool:Well,it WOULD surprise me if Petra had a deep run at the USO merely because good Slam performances usually require the player to have established at least SOME rhythm prior to the Big One...and Petra has gotten precious little in these lead-ups.It's definitely not a question of talent or mental strength,IMO;simply,it's not terribly common for someone,even a bigger star,to go far at a Slam when she's been playing at a substandard level.There are exceptions to the Rule,but they are exactly that--exceptions!

Having said that,I agree with your view that we're a long,long,long distance away from Panicville

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 21st, 2011, 01:59 PM
Well,it WOULD surprise me if Petra had a deep run at the USO merely because good Slam performances usually require the player to have established at least SOME rhythm prior to the Big One...and Petra has gotten precious little in these lead-ups.It's definitely not a question of talent or mental strength,IMO;simply,it's not terribly common for someone,even a bigger star,to go far at a Slam when she's been playing at a substandard level.There are exceptions to the Rule,but they are exactly that--exceptions!

Having said that,I agree with your view that we're a long,long,long distance away from Panicville

Well Bruce, despite your valid points, and no REAL reason to be so optimistic, I'm counting on Petra being EXCEPTIONal in Noo Yawk. I hope that her being on the big stage in The Big Apple ignites something in her which has been missing recently. She's said herself that she likes playing in front of the big crowds. So, I'm crossing my fingers something awakens in her. We all go into funks sometime, and none of us know why they happen and when we will snap out of them. We just have to be patient I guess. She's too good to stay this way for too long.

On a more practical level, I wish her coach would start taking a closer look at her mechanics. Her fundamentals seem to be off. Her serve has become a mockery of its past form and her footwork seems to leave a lot to be desired also lately. She's just not reacting to the ball as nearly as well as she had been. And, let's face it, when you're not in the right position it makes your job of returning the ball effectively that much harder. Time for her coach to start earning his money.

As far as her asthma problem goes, I'm quite surprised by the whole thing. She must get it quite severely if it's such an issue. I've had asthma for over 30 years and because of my doctor's care it's almost never an issue for me regardless of climate or intensity of activity.

I've received excellent care here in CZ. In America my doctor only treated the symptoms. In CZ my doctor got to the root of the problem (lingering effects from my multiple past cases of pneumonia). On a daily basis, for prevention, I use a Symbicort Turbohaler (inhalable powder) in the morning. For quick relief of emergencies (maybe once a year) I've been provided a Berodual N inhaler. Because of these two remedies I live a healthy, active life with no restrictions.

People keep mentioning heat and humidity as being problematic for Petra. For me, freezing cold, moist or foggy winter air, especially mixed with the dirty coalsmoke, is a much worse enemy to my lungs. Frankly, I don't fully understand Petra's problems, but everyone's case is slightly different I guess. You would think an effective treatment solution would've been figured out for her long ago. Why is it still an issue now? :confused:

18majors
Aug 21st, 2011, 03:14 PM
Petra is a star performer and a big stage player and there is not a trace of doubt that Petra will play well and go deep at the biggest tournament of them all, the US Open.

Excelscior
Aug 21st, 2011, 04:43 PM
Well Bruce, despite your valid points, and no REAL reason to be so optimistic, I'm counting on Petra being EXCEPTIONal in Noo Yawk. I hope that her being on the big stage in The Big Apple ignites something in her which has been missing recently. She's said herself that she likes playing in front of the big crowds. So, I'm crossing my fingers something awakens in her. We all go into funks sometime, and none of us know why they happen and when we will snap out of them. We just have to be patient I guess. She's too good to stay this way for too long.

On a more practical level, I wish her coach would start taking a closer look at her mechanics. Her fundamentals seem to be off. Her serve has become a mockery of its past form and her footwork seems to leave a lot to be desired also lately. She's just not reacting to the ball as nearly as well as she had been. And, let's face it, when you're not in the right position it makes your job of returning the ball effectively that much harder. Time for her coach to start earning his money.

As far as her asthma problem goes, I'm quite surprised by the whole thing. She must get it quite severely if it's such an issue. I've had asthma for over 30 years and because of my doctor's care it's almost never an issue for me regardless of climate or intensity of activity.

I've received excellent care here in CZ. In America my doctor only treated the symptoms. In CZ my doctor got to the root of the problem (lingering effects from my multiple past cases of pneumonia). On a daily basis, for prevention, I use a Symbicort Turbohaler (inhalable powder) in the morning. For quick relief of emergencies (maybe once a year) I've been provided a Berodual N inhaler. Because of these two remedies I live a healthy, active life with no restrictions.

People keep mentioning heat and humidity as being problematic for Petra. For me, freezing cold, moist or foggy winter air, especially mixed with the dirty coalsmoke, is a much worse enemy to my lungs. Frankly, I don't fully understand Petra's problems, but everyone's case is slightly different I guess. You would think an effective treatment solution would've been figured out for her long ago. Why is it still an issue now? :confused:

Hey Queen Petra Fan

1) Good to have you back, again
2) I agree with your optimism for New York (against current form). I to, feel Petra is a big game player, and will rise to form with her high seed (hopefully she can avoid Petkovic or Serena, till deep into the tournament, at all). It just may all click for her, and she'll get her mind right, once in the familiar Grand Slam surroundings/environment (1/4 final, 4th round loss to Champion, after leading, Champion, past three of them).

3) It's good to know you're getting excellent care in the Czech Republic. I assume Petra has a Czech doctor, as well. Remember, Petra said she discovered she had Asthma 2 yrs ago at the US Open. You would of hoped, they would of worked that out already.

I wonder, if she needs to carry her medical records, and notes from her physician, and may wanna try a local prescription from a either a NY Specialist and/or a local doctor, when she travels?

I wonder as well, if they identified (like yours) what's actually causing her the problem? Petra mentioned heat and humidity, but it actually hasn't been that hot and humid in Toronto and Ohio. Lol.

Local posters here, said that the Pollen in Ohio (not the factories; at least for them) is what's so bad. And what was Petra's abdominal cramping for?

Either way. I'm sure she'll be fine for the US Open, and I look forward to some great play, and her success.

She has now dropped from a 3:1 co favorite with Serena, to a 14:1 favorite (and no 4) behind Vika. Of course these things change. But is anyone willing to bet on Petra? :)

Lol.

bruce goose
Aug 21st, 2011, 04:53 PM
Just so we're clear,Petra fans,I couldn't care less about my predictions track record,and I'd be delighted if Petra came out and made my concerns look ridiculous....I simply can't recall many examples--even for legends like Evert--where a gal was playing poorly leading up to a Slam and then totally reversed course in the main event

Excelscior
Aug 21st, 2011, 05:42 PM
Just so we're clear,Petra fans,I couldn't care less about my predictions track record,and I'd be delighted if Petra came out and made my concerns look ridiculous....I simply can't recall many examples--even for legends like Evert--where a gal was playing poorly leading up to a Slam and then totally reversed course in the main event

Hey Bruce.

You're probably 100% right, and stranger things have happened (where players seemingly came out of nowhere to win Majors, when not playing as well). But I get your points/concerns. There certainly valid.

My only reason for saying that is, at least Petra's got 4 games under her belt now, she seemingly likes majors, and maybe some of her slump was mental (and the opponent, Petkovic), and she'll snap out of it, in the familiar surroundings/environment of a Grand Slams (with a decent draw).

If not, than she would be one of the overwhelming majority of players, that won their first major, then struggled after their next several tournaments (including Nadal, Federer, Serena, Maria, etc..

No shame there. Petra wouldn't be any different, than past players, stars and Legends slumps, after winning their first major.

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 21st, 2011, 09:34 PM
Just so we're clear,Petra fans,I couldn't care less about my predictions track record,and I'd be delighted if Petra came out and made my concerns look ridiculous....I simply can't recall many examples--even for legends like Evert--where a gal was playing poorly leading up to a Slam and then totally reversed course in the main event

I hear you Bruce and don't dispute your rational take on the whole issue. Really I'm just strongly supporting her based on blind optimism.

But, what I'm wondering is this: Thanks to the almost non-existent TV coverage of her most recent matches, do any of us really have an accurate picture of just how far off her game is? Is she just missing by inches or is she totally off? Maybe, just maybe, she's not really so far off and can correct this thing. I can't really say because I haven't seen her with my own eyes.

What's your take on the current state of her play? Have you been able to witness it lately?

bruce goose
Aug 22nd, 2011, 04:39 AM
I hear you Bruce and don't dispute your rational take on the whole issue. Really I'm just strongly supporting her based on blind optimism.

But, what I'm wondering is this: Thanks to the almost non-existent TV coverage of her most recent matches, do any of us really have an accurate picture of just how far off her game is? Is she just missing by inches or is she totally off? Maybe, just maybe, she's not really so far off and can correct this thing. I can't really say because I haven't seen her with my own eyes.

What's your take on the current state of her play? Have you been able to witness it lately?Sorry,QPF,these N.A. tournaments are being played in time zones that are only 1 or 2 hours from mine,so the matches are taking place during my normal work schedule.However,we can look at the subtle,telltale signs: We have a pretty devoted bunch of Petra-holics here,and I've yet to read even one of them post that Petra played well or even did such-and-such well during a match;the silence is almost deafening...and even though Corswandt is sort of pessimistic and a worrywort at times,she had a VERY low opinion of Petra's recent performances,and we can't cavalierly dismiss that feedback.

Excelsior reasonably cites how even some legends have struggled to find their way following their first Slams,so why should Petra be immune from that when she's only human??(A very lovely human:hearts:,but precisely that nonetheless)Unless someone else beats me to it,I'm gonna post Petra's USO result alongside those of the last 10 first-time Slamwinners in the WTA...it'll give us some perspective,at least;)

18majors
Aug 22nd, 2011, 02:37 PM
Maria, a player Petra beat handily at Wimbledon, just won Cincy by beating Jankovic who beat Petkovic and who beat Petra.

There aren't a lot of rhymes or reasons in WTA. No doubt Petra will rise to the occasion at the biggest stage of US Open.

Excelscior
Aug 22nd, 2011, 07:14 PM
We must have the deadest subforum for such a good player on all of TF. Lol.

I know part of it, must be from the fact that Petra has a lot of European supporters, so she doesn't get that around the clock traffic, like many of the other top players (plus we have a smart, relatively level headed, un-superficial group of supporters, who don't gossip, and talk idle nonsense much, at least with Petra K).

GM is such a awful place to go for tennis talk. I'd rather be in Petra's section. So let me say something, to hopefully spark some interest and debate. Lol.

What in the world is Petra doing right now? I keep hearing about so many of the other top 25 players in Dallas, and New Haven, and I hear nothing from Petra.

Petra could of had a wild card from New Haven. But it's obvious she chose not to take it. There was a article 4 days ago, where the Tournament Dir said they were waiting on Petra Kvitova, and 3 other top 10's to respond to the remaining wild cards. Obviously she didn't respond, or soon enough.

Where ever she is, and whatever she's doing, I hope she's practicing hard (especially her serve), and getting a lot out of it (especially if she's already in NY), so she's ready for the Open.

Her serve can take care of a lot of maladies, and hopefully she'll take care of that and her mental approach, as well. Then maybe her return game, and ground strokes would quickly follow in later rounds? But practice that damn serve Petra!!

Lol.

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 22nd, 2011, 08:23 PM
Maria, a player Petra beat handily at Wimbledon, just won Cincy by beating Jankovic who beat Petkovic and who beat Petra.

There aren't a lot of rhymes or reasons in WTA. No doubt Petra will rise to the occasion at the biggest stage of US Open.

As you said 18, the WTA this year is part of the Twilight Zone. So, of course, Petra will win the US Open!!!! It just figures. :lol:

18majors
Aug 23rd, 2011, 02:11 PM
Serena, Petra or Maria is my pick to win US Open.

bruce goose
Aug 23rd, 2011, 05:25 PM
Serena, Petra or Maria is my pick to win US Open.Actually,Brie Whitehead should be near the top of that list cuz she's getting a WC into the MD and will have family in NYC cheering her on to achieve her true greatness.Of course,she's hoping desperately to avoid Petra because the Lioness OWNS their H2H on the practice courts

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:16 PM
Brie Whitehead.

Funny.

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:29 PM
Serena was seeded 28 (bumped up 1 spot with the departure of Clijsters) in the upcoming US Open.

This means, she could meet some top 8 player in the third round, and will be in one of their quarters, and half of the draw. I'm assuming Petra was seeded # 5.

Mmmhhh. The draw will be announced Thursday afternoon (NY Time).

18majors
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:42 PM
Hope Petra don't draw Serena in R3. However, Petra has a 50-50 chance of beating Serena, better than any of the other top 8 seeded players.

Somebody needs to beat Serena to save WTA and I wouldn't be surprised that's Petra.

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:49 PM
Hope Petra don't draw Serena in R3. However, Petra has a 50-50 chance of beating Serena, better than any of the other top 8 seeded players.

Somebody needs to beat Serena to save WTA and I wouldn't be surprised that's Petra.

Yeah. Not on that Cincy/Toronto form. Lol.

We need the real Petra, and please don't wish anything Serena on her (though I'm sure she'd take the challenge) before her US Open form is revealed. Lol.

Funny! If Sharapova would of lost Cincy final, Petra would of been seeded 4, instead of 5 now. We'll see how that plays out on Thursday.

TimeyWimey
Aug 23rd, 2011, 06:58 PM
Yeah. Not on that Cincy/Toronto form. Lol.

We need the real Petra, and please don't wish anything Serena on her (though I'm sure she'd take the challenge) before her US Open form is revealed. Lol.

Funny! If Sharapova would of lost Cincy final, Petra would of been seeded 4, instead of 5 now. We'll see how that plays out on Thursday.

i think when Masha reached SF, she is already ahead of Petra on the rank, or i miss something?:confused:

Excelscior
Aug 23rd, 2011, 10:24 PM
i think when Masha reached SF, she is already ahead of Petra on the rank, or i miss something?:confused:

Funny! You could be right. But I think Maria got those points back, when she made the finals again (she made them last year), then picked up some more when she won.

Now We got a Hurricane Irene Watch here on the East Coast/North East for the weekend. I hope it misses the US altogether.

Right now the Hurricane is a Category 2, near the Bahamas and possibly Hispaniola (D. Republic, Haiti) next, with Fla on it's sights (and the East Coast of the North East US possibly).

I hope not/we'll see? The earthquake was enough.

Right now, the weather has been great in NY (75-80 degrees Fahrenheit, low humidity, no rain), and has been this way for a few weeks now.

That's perfect weather for (what) a Tennis Tournament. Lol

18majors
Aug 23rd, 2011, 11:18 PM
i think when Masha reached SF, she is already ahead of Petra on the rank, or i miss something?:confused:

You're absolutely right.

Maria has 6,346 ranking point now. Maria had 5,841 when she reached ST at Cincy, which is higher than Petra's 5,685.

On the other hand, it doesn't make any differences either seeded 3 or 5. Seeds 1-4 play 5-8 in the QF. Petra and Na Li at 5 and 6 seeds are a lot tougher to deal with than Woz and Vera at 1 and 2.

Excelscior
Aug 25th, 2011, 12:53 AM
Petra Kvitova US Hardcourt Season, Pre US Open Comments to Czech Publication TenisPortal.CZ

Not sure if this was taken from a press conference (probably was), or a direct interview, but here's the "ahem" Google translation of this. Lol. I'm sure we'll be reading more Petra interviews, quite soon. This one is reasonably/freshly informative.

Tenisportal.cz, Aug 24, 2011

Although the U.S. Open to win overseas concretes Petra Kvitova Czech tennis player just two matches, the wrinkles on the forehead of it does. Health problems that plagued Wimbledon winner, was receding. "I hope that here demonstrate the best," said the New York Grand Slam.

"The transition to the concrete for me was quite simple," she said Kvitova on their official Facebook. "It's such a cord, when confronted with health problems. I suffered a bit, it was not pretty, but it seems to me. I hope that I have anything like that and it will not meet here better than in Toronto and Cincinnati," said sixth player of the world rankings, which will be the absence of Belgian title defender Kim Clijsters in the last Grand Slam of the season seeded five.

After Wimbledon doléčovala Kvitova injured thigh muscle, after removal of the third round of the tournament in Cincinnati, she complained of nausea and abdominal cramps resulting from fatigue. In rehearsal before the U.S. Open as she had already stopped in Toronto in the second match German Andrea Petkovicová. Jednadvacetiletá Fulnek tennis player from the only slightly less improved from last year's record season after Wimbledon, the semifinal after participation in the London grass has lost five in a row.

"It's definitely different, I won two matches in America before the U.S. Open, so this is great," she said with a laugh Kvitova. "I said it can not be worse than last year, which is not. No science of doing this. For me it's obviously a little different, Peru with other things, not just tennis. I'm totally fine, it do not care at all," she said.

As a Wimbledon winner in the tournament had more sponsorships and media events. "It's diversification. Nothing that would interfere too much into the program," she said. At the tournament in Toronto, even for CNN filming crew was preparing a breakfast pancakes. "It was pretty funny. Pancakes I've never done, so I learned a new recipe," Kvitova said. No responses presented to the culinary arts is said to get.

In New York, where the U.S. Open starts on Monday, trained for a week. "I love this tournament because of the atmosphere, which is really a Grand Slam, but yet it still oblivious," said Kvitova, who was away at Flushing Meadows in the fourth round in 2009.

One interesting thing about this article, I thought about before I read it, that it mentioned. Petra actually went to the 4th round of the US Open 2yrs ago. That's not bad. How far would she had gone, if she didn't play the eventual champion Clijsters the year after in the third round, 2010?

Mmmhhh. Let's see what happens this year?

PS: Petra has an official Facebook? Is it in Czech?

bruce goose
Aug 25th, 2011, 05:48 AM
Will be slightly interested to see what kind of court assignments Petra gets at the USO;if I remember correctly,Americans really like Power Tennis(more than many others,even)...and Petra just recently won a Slam which leaves her fresh in everyone's mind...so I tend to think she'd be a big priority in scheduling...behind only the most famous/loved players...and that's a reasonably small group

18majors
Aug 25th, 2011, 02:22 PM
No question Petra will get her due recognition at US Open. First, she is the most recent grand slam champion and second, everybody recognizes how good she is.

By the way, Petra is one of the top US Open picks despite of her recent poor forms.

Excelscior
Aug 25th, 2011, 02:49 PM
Let's hope no one at the USTA forgets about her Wimbledon, after her recent debacles in Toronto and Cincy, and places her on some good courts, and Petra responds accordingly. Lol.

Yes 18Majors. She's still one of the top 3-4 picks, after her recent woes.

Historically (and lately), Petra wakes up during Grand Slams, so she should (and we hope) during this one?!

Lastly, we have a hurricane, called Irene, that's supposed to come up the East Coast from Fla, touching down Sun-Mon? Noooooooooooo!! Lol.

I sure hope not, cause we've had some great weather here, the past few weeks, and this would set the US Open back (as well as the affected areas) several days with severe rain and wind, even if it missed NY by several hundred miles.

Crossing our fingers?

bruce goose
Aug 25th, 2011, 04:18 PM
No question Petra will get her due recognition at US Open. First, she is the most recent grand slam champion and second, everybody recognizes how good she is.

By the way, Petra is one of the top US Open picks despite of her recent poor forms.It depends on how willing you are to spend a couple hours in jail but,if you live near NYC,you could get a ticket and sneak a megaphone into the stadium with you...and then shout into it: :mad:GET THESE DIZZY LOSER-GIRLS OFF THE COURT;WE WANNA SEE WIMBLEDON CHAMP PETRA!!!(repeat)

Depending on how big and burly you are,you'd have at least 30 seconds...and probably more...before stadium security managed to get you out of there.However,people would talk LOTS about the incident and,more importantly,the intense,growing Lioness fanship...and then Petra would be more likely to get a nice court assignment from timid tourney officials who didn't wanna risk another incident;)

paulmara
Aug 25th, 2011, 06:31 PM
Kvitova
Dulgheru
Mayr-Achleinter
Niculescu
Craybas
Keys
Rybarikvoa
Safarova

TimeyWimey
Aug 25th, 2011, 06:42 PM
oh, Lucie:(

ArcticMoose
Aug 25th, 2011, 06:42 PM
Considering Petra's current situation cannot complain about her draw

The complete draw is out - the link is below :
http://www.usopen.org/en_US/scores/draws/ws/r1s1.html

18majors
Aug 25th, 2011, 06:52 PM
QF will potentially be a repeat of Wimbledon final.

paulmara
Aug 25th, 2011, 06:57 PM
Dulgheru only 1 match after Wimbledon lost to Schivone in New Haven 1:6 2:6. Last Year Us Open beated Coin and Arvidsson, lost to Zvonareva.

Excelscior
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:00 PM
Whether Petra plays well or not, she can't complain about her draw/quarter and half. Hopefully she will (and take advantage)!

TimeyWimey
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:01 PM
first two rounds should be no problem for her, a chance to find the rhythm at HC

then Rybarikova (who shocked Petra this year at Prague final) or Safarova (would be their first encounter, interesting)

then the real challenge would be Radwanska whom Martina called a player truly understands the geometry of the court, sort of Flavia Pennetta in Melbourne R4

if Petra enters the QF, i'm pretty sure Masha will be there

Good luck, Petra:)

paulmara
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:07 PM
Curcubeu comments about Schiavone Dulgheru match :

Alexandra seems to be as rusty as an armor from King Edward times...

and her stamina hit rock bottom!

She better draws Doi or Lepchenko now!

More than one win isn't possible, anyway...

I guess she is already planning for the next year to whore over some clay MMs!

Yeah, Lepchenko loves long rallies and Alex can't put any first serve in, if her match is longer than hour

And let's hope now for Ammanmuradova or Doi in Round 1 of the US Open. The girl had enough bad luck this year!

ArcticMoose
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:10 PM
Rybarikova is the better option at R3 (eventhough she lost the ITF final on clay to her) - Safarova is Petra's good friend & fellow leftie : it will be an ugly match for Petra to play (a leftie & friend) & for fans to watch

TimeyWimey
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:13 PM
Rybarikova is the better option at R3 (eventhough she lost the ITF final on clay to her) - Safarova is Petra's good friend & fellow leftie : it will be an ugly match for Petra to play (a leftie & friend) & for fans to watch

yep, Petra/Lucie R3 would be too much for me, she's played Kookie this year multiple times already in R1/R2:(

paulmara
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:16 PM
Petra has problems playing against friends. In Paris indoors and in Indian Wells against Zahlavova-Strycova was really struggling.

cosmoose
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:40 PM
I think with the USO draw out, its time to start a new thread

http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=443644

cosmoose
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:43 PM
Welcome to Petra's 2011 US Open thread!


Kvitova v. Dulgheru
Mayr-Achleinter v. Niculescu

Craybas v. Keys
Rybarikvoa v. Safarova

TimeyWimey
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:47 PM
I just noticed that it says "Love means nothing" on Rogers Cup frontpage, and for US Open, it says (as always) "It must be Love"

Good luck, Petra:)

Excelscior
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:49 PM
Petra has problems playing against friends. In Paris indoors and in Indian Wells against Zahlavova-Strycova was really struggling.

My guess is, At the US Open (and after struggling at earlier events), Petra will have no problems taking care of business if she faces Lucie (at least I hope-Gulp Gulp). Lol.

Sasja
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:51 PM
#subscribe# :)

Well, draw could have been a lot worse ofcourse :p

Hope she is fit and shows some good form at the USO :cheer:

Vikapower
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:53 PM
I think she has an easy going draw to "comfortably" make the 1/4 - at least she didn't get Serena in the 3rd. round like a certain top player in the draw. :spit:

Any ways seriously some good matches to get some rhythm and the t°C to ebullition.

cosmoose
Aug 25th, 2011, 07:54 PM
I think the draw is so favorable that Petra might have hard time playing in the show courts.
I hope USO has more sense than Toronto/Cincy.
Louis Armstrong or the grandstand court will be fine with me. :)

Excelscior
Aug 25th, 2011, 08:00 PM
I think the draw is so favorable that Petra might have hard time playing in the show courts.
I hope USO has more sense than Toronto/Cincy.
Louis Armstrong or the grandstand court will be fine with me. :)

Funny/Good points. Lol.

At least we should get a stream though with 7 TV courts.

We'll know early, whether or not Peta's A game and attitude has shown up from her first match, from her ability to hold serve easily, and break the opponent (with out flip flopping serves). She couldn't' even do that in Cincy or Toronto with her first round opponents.

If she's playing well, and make's it that far (1/4 final), then I'm sure Masha and many of her fans will be shitting bricks in their already wet, quivering pants/garments. Lol.

18majors
Aug 26th, 2011, 12:30 AM
Arthur Ashe, Louis Armstrong, Grandstand and Court 17 (seating 2,500) are all sizable courts with good amenities. Petra will have decent court assignments no matter what.

A Petra/Maria QF will be the match of the tournament and will be a feature Arthur Ashe night match.

mac47
Aug 26th, 2011, 01:29 AM
I've looked at the draw, and I think Petra could very well make the final. She just has to play her way into the tournament, and then beat Pova in the quarters. Of course, Maria will be out for revenge, but if Petra brings her Wimbledon game, she should win again. The only players I'm really worried about are Zvonareva (whom I also wouldn't mind seeing win the whole thing, she's such a Novotna type) and the frightful odd French girl, who has seemed to have Petra's number. But she can't meet them until the semis, and I rather doubt either of them will make it that far.

bruce goose
Aug 26th, 2011, 04:54 AM
Not complaining or anything,but I really couldn't argue with Corswandt if she said that it was cluttering the subforum to have a USO Series thread AND a specific USO thread....Still,I'm somewhat glad that Petra has generated such an outpouring of meandering,loyal support:lol:

On to the handicapping,there really don't seem to be too many of what you'd call STRONG favorites for whom you could say,'Yeah,it wouldn't surprise me one bit if she won.'---There are a few players who have decent,reasonable shots but if you looked at Cincy winner Masha,for example,I don't think you could truly say that she had taken her game to a high,GS-winning level...it's more a case where she's simply a much more solid choice than most other gals.I'm approaching things from a biased perspective,of course,when I argue that a lack of top-level GOATs(only Serena has reached that HC zone so far) opens the door wider for Petra if she finds her rhythm in the earlier,easier rounds

18majors
Aug 26th, 2011, 03:47 PM
I highly anticipate a QF showdown between Petra and Maria and I hope it's a more competitive match than Wimbledon and that the winner moves on to win the US Open title.

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 26th, 2011, 04:56 PM
For the love of god, I just hope she rediscovers some semblance of her Wimbledon form and makes it that far first.
Than, maybe we can pray for various showdowns. These early exits are killing me. :sad:

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 26th, 2011, 05:01 PM
first two rounds should be no problem for her, a chance to find the rhythm at HC

then Rybarikova (who shocked Petra this year at Prague final) or Safarova (would be their first encounter, interesting)

then the real challenge would be Radwanska whom Martina called a player truly understands the geometry of the court, sort of Flavia Pennetta in Melbourne R4

if Petra enters the QF, i'm pretty sure Masha will be there

Good luck, Petra:)

If Radwanska's shoulder is healthy, she could be a big obstacle for Petra. In the matches I've seen this year she's been very steady on defense and has a nice touch and toolkit for hitting winners. She's also pretty unflappable emotionally.

18majors
Aug 26th, 2011, 05:24 PM
Petra's only concerns will be the first 2-3 rounds when she regains her forms.. She potentially can go all the way and win the title if she reaches R4.

Excelscior
Aug 26th, 2011, 06:00 PM
This tournament, and the obstacles in front of her (from rounds 1 to semifinals), reminds me so much of Wimbldedon.

Remember Alexa Glatch had beaten Petra a couple of years ago (your Rybarikova for the US Open), as well. Petra was also slated to face dangerous Slam Champ Kutzie in the 4th round (your Radwanska), though she didn't, but played Wickamayer (another potentially dangerous opponent, who had beaten Petra before), with Venus or Pironkava looming in the quarterfinals (your Sharapova).

Those match ups didn't always pan out, and Petra worked her way out of/around them anyway.

Hopefully, she'll do the same/similar at the Open.

Excelscior
Aug 26th, 2011, 06:57 PM
Here is a take on Petra, from NY Magazines US Open Preview, with Lindsay Sakraida's analysis. I figured you guys were tired of reading the same ole same ole. She also had some honest analysis of Serena, Woz, Sharapova and the top men, if you go over to their website. But since this is Petra's subforum, I wanted to keep the focus on her.


Your Official U.S. Open Preview

By Lindsay Sakraida

Petra Kvitova. If you don't already recognize this name, learn it. Despite winning Wimbledon this year and overpowering Sharapova, many still aren't familiar with Kvitova. It's a shame, too, because unlike Francesca Schiavone and Li Na — who won surprise titles in Paris and Melbourne in the past two years — Kvitova could very well become a repeat Slam winner. She's a powerful ball striker with a crippling lefty serve that keeps her opponents off balance. And she's only 21; her skills are only going to get stronger and more refined. Hot off her Wimbledon run, Kvitova's confidence and hard-court-tailored game should take her far in Flushing.

18majors
Aug 27th, 2011, 01:52 AM
Expectations are very high for Petra and she won't disappoint.

TimeyWimey
Aug 27th, 2011, 03:22 AM
some news remotely related with Kvitova

Petra Cetkovska made into her first ever Premier final today (also her first WTA final)

When she and Kvitova both surprised us in 2008 FO, no one would have thought that their career path would diverge from that point, but now we know that's what happened, and to me, it is such a joy to see this year's Wimbledon as the converging point, when Kvitova became the grass queen and Cetkovska made her first GS R2 (also R3, R4) since she was doubled bagelled by Ana Ivanovic in 2008, after which, she lost 5 consecutive GS R1 and missed the next 7 consecutive GS until this June. No one else could feel how hard she's been struggling in the past 3 years if you recall how many promising players have tanked like that and never come back, now she is back, and better than ever :)

bruce goose
Aug 27th, 2011, 04:37 AM
Petra's early draw is fairly easy,but non-fans can't justifiably whine too much b/c Petra beat two hot,elite players--including a multiple Slamwinner--en route to the Wimby title,so she's proven that she doesn't need cakewalk draws to win at Slams

18majors
Aug 27th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Can't wait to watch Petra regains her form.

TimeyWimey
Aug 27th, 2011, 08:04 PM
Monday's OOP is out, PETRA will be playing the very FIRST match at Arthur Ashe at 11:00am

Barktra
Aug 27th, 2011, 08:12 PM
WOW. Glad They are giving Petra respect compared to Cincy/Toronto

Excelscior
Aug 27th, 2011, 08:31 PM
Not sure if this was posted already, but someone on the GM Hurricane thread, posted the Mon Schedule, and Petra is/was (Hurricane aftermath?) first up on Ashe Stadium. Yeah. Lol.

Here it is:

Monday OOP for #USO11 on Ashe: Kvitova vs Dulgheru, Kamke vs Fish, Watson vs Sharapova, Dolonts vs Venus and Roger vs Giraldo

If this person is right (and I have no reason to feel they're wrong), then Petra is playing on the same court with American Marty Fish, Sharapova, Venus and Roger Federer. Yeah, again!

I hope the Hurricane doesn't mess up this (or if it does), her schedule on Ashe.

You go US Open (crossed fingers she is, and that she wins)!!!

Sasja
Aug 27th, 2011, 08:34 PM
Arthur Ashe stadium :hearts:

Excelscior
Aug 27th, 2011, 08:38 PM
I think the draw is so favorable that Petra might have hard time playing in the show courts.
I hope USO has more sense than Toronto/Cincy.
Louis Armstrong or the grandstand court will be fine with me. :)

Well as Reyesjjz, and someone from GM pointed out, She's scheduled for the first match on Ashe, Monday (weather after math permitting, since it should be a nice day Mon, and the rest of the week for that matter, according to current forecast).

Here's the Monday schedule:

Monday OOP for #USO11 on Ashe: Kvitova vs Dulgheru, Kamke vs Fish, Watson vs Sharapova, Dolonts vs Venus and Roger vs Giraldo

If this schedule holds, then Petra is playing on the same court with American Marty Fish, Sharapova, Venus and Roger Federer. Yeah Petra!

I hope the Hurricane fall out doesn't change her schedule on Ashe, which ever day she plays/starts?

18majors
Aug 27th, 2011, 08:52 PM
US Open clearly recognizes Petra's status as an elite player.

bruce goose
Aug 27th, 2011, 09:14 PM
Feel like I'd be betraying Corswandt if I posted in the other thread:lol:....The wind might suck on AA---but it sucks for EVERYone,and that;s just one more thing that Petra must learn to adjust to if she has dreams of USO glory...it's part of her growth as a player

ArcticMoose
Aug 27th, 2011, 09:36 PM
Will accept anything but a first round exit by Petra at the USO. If she falls on AA as 1st up, it will just make the sting that much more painful for the fans.

TimeyWimey
Aug 27th, 2011, 10:07 PM
Well as Reyesjjz, and someone from GM pointed out, She's scheduled for the first match on Ashe, Monday (weather after math permitting, since it should be a nice day Mon, and the rest of the week for that matter, according to current forecast).

Here's the Monday schedule:

Monday OOP for #USO11 on Ashe: Kvitova vs Dulgheru, Kamke vs Fish, Watson vs Sharapova, Dolonts vs Venus and Roger vs Giraldo

If this schedule holds, then Petra is playing on the same court with American Marty Fish, Sharapova, Venus and Roger Federer. Yeah Petra!

I hope the Hurricane fall out doesn't change her schedule on Ashe, which ever day she plays/starts?

I just checked the TV schedule on Monday, ESPN2 starts their coverage at 1pm, which means it will not broadcast Petra's opening match, WTF:(

Excelscior
Aug 27th, 2011, 10:20 PM
I just checked the TV schedule on Monday, ESPN2 starts their coverage at 1pm, which means it will not broadcast Petra's opening match, WTF:(

You're right! I'm not even sure ESPN 3 starts that soon, either. And that's the one you may wanna watch, cause ESPN 2, can switch off of Petra anytime they feel like to another match.

Actually, they could do the same at ESPN 3, since it's a Ashe game.

Keep in mind, if she gets scheduled to Tues, she may be bumped off of Ashe, unless they play a strict Monday schedule, and make up the extra day on a off day?

TimeyWimey
Aug 27th, 2011, 10:25 PM
Keep in mind, if she gets scheduled to Tues, she may be bumped off of Ashe, unless they play a strict Monday schedule, and make up the extra day on a off day?

This :), Nadal, Murray, Serena, Djokovic and Roddick all will play Tues, so if Petra gets scheduled to Tues, no AA for sure :lol:

Excelscior
Aug 27th, 2011, 10:27 PM
I wonder what Petra is doing now?

Hey! What's she saying/doing on Facebook guys?

I wonder if she did indoor, outdoor practice today, or just stayed in the hotel?

I'm hoping she practiced? Cause she was rusty to begin with. And though she's been in NY almost a week, she may not practice/play outdoors again till Monday, so she better had acclimated herself to the outdoor courts, as much as she could. Lol.

Excelscior
Aug 27th, 2011, 11:18 PM
This :), Nadal, Murray, Serena, Djokovic and Roddick all will play Tues, so if Petra gets scheduled to Tues, no AA for sure :lol:

You got that right. That seems to have happened all year for Petra. She got bumped off of Centre Court in Eastbourne, and I think that contributed to her loss, and why she played so poorly in the first set (getting used to the wind on that court, instead of the side courts she was playing on all tournament).

Regarding Monday, if the schedule is pushed back to later in the afternoon (which I hope they try), she may be on TV if her match starts at 2pm, or something?

We'll see!?

Laura_VeeFan
Aug 28th, 2011, 12:31 AM
:bounce:

Hopefully Petra can string together a decent run :)

And yes!!! Day match on Arthur Ashe!! Perfect for me in my timezone :cheer: I'm glad the US Open have given her a match on here, I didn't think they would

Excelscior
Aug 28th, 2011, 12:59 AM
:bounce:

Hopefully Petra can string together a decent run :)

And yes!!! Day match on Arthur Ashe!! Perfect for me in my timezone :cheer: I'm glad the US Open have given her a match on here, I didn't think they would

I hear ya!!

But don't get too happy. We got to see what they do after the weather?

If they have a combined schedule Tues, she'll be on TV, but probably not on Ashe. We'll see?

Interestingly enough; I don't know about Eurosport, but here in America, ESPN 2 wouldn't of showed her 11am Mon game on TV (their coverage starts at 1pm). Is it really that early? And if Eurosport was getting that feed, you may/may of missed it?

Mmmhh. Maybe the Hurricane, will push back that Monday morning start to the afternoon, so we can see her on TV (though it may not be perfect for you), but it would be 7pm or so your time, if she started at 2pm, NYC time.

Laura_VeeFan
Aug 28th, 2011, 01:05 AM
I hear ya!!

But don't get too happy. We got to see what they do after the weather?

If they have a combined schedule Tues, she'll be on TV, but probably not on Ashe. We'll see?

Interestingly enough; I don't know about Eurosport, but here in America, ESPN 2 wouldn't of showed her 11am Mon game on TV (their coverage starts at 1pm). Is it really that early? And if Eurosport was getting that feed, you may/may of missed it?

Mmmhh. Maybe the Hurricane, will push back that Monday start to the afternoon, so we can see her on TV (though it may not be perfect for you), but it would be 7pm or so your time, if she started at 2pm, NYC time.

I suppose there is live streaming and that covers all the main courts :) Yeah if she plays on Tuesday then I can't see her being on Arthur Ashe with Serena, Nadal and Novak all playing as well.

I think ES start their coverage at 1pm (local time) because I remember having to go on some streams for the first match, and then watching the rest of the matches on TV.

Hopefully the hurricane doesn't cause too much damage and Petra will be able to play :bounce:

Rex59
Aug 28th, 2011, 02:51 AM
Well, the Tennis Channel begins their coverage Monday at 11 a.m. EDT. They'll more than like have video of the show courts. Therefore, for those who have access to such Petra's match will more than likely be broadcast over their channel by streams and tv coverage.

http://www.tennischannel.com/schedule/next_week.pdf

Excelscior
Aug 28th, 2011, 04:30 AM
Well, the Tennis Channel begins their coverage Monday at 11 a.m. EDT. They'll more than likely will have video of the show courts. Therefore, for those who have access to such Petra's match will more than likely be broadcast over their channel by streams and tv coverage.

http://www.tennischannel.com/schedule/next_week.pdf

Oh Ok. Thanks Rex. I didn't bother to look at the Tennis Channels coverage, cause I was able to watch all Petra's matches on ESPN 3 at Wimbledon. But you're right. If they're going to be broadcasting and not just talking, there should be a online stream (or I may be able to watch her on them). We'll see?

Thx Again!

Excelscior
Aug 28th, 2011, 04:45 AM
Yeah. Their broadcasting from 11am to 7pm. I guess cause it's a major in America, within reasonable time zones, they have more than enough coverage for both cable networks (unlike Wimby).

Spring Pools
Aug 28th, 2011, 05:22 AM
So what are your guys' takes on how the USO courts will work with Kvitova's game. I guess I thought that Kvitova worked best on slower courts like clay and AO hard courts (and wimby now that they've changed it :sad:)
So have her losses been just the fact that she's on her post Wimby hangover, or are they also because her game doesn't work as well on fast hard courts?

bruce goose
Aug 28th, 2011, 05:31 AM
Will accept anything but a first round exit by Petra at the USO. If she falls on AA as 1st up, it will just make the sting that much more painful for the fans.You're setting your sights a bit too low,I think;we're not talking about mid-20s Elena:hearts: here---we've got a gal who broke through in her 1st Slam final against an experienced opponent.We're not gonna abandon Petra if she does poorly,of course,but we should at least expect her to put forth a gritty effort and,if she DOES lose,I'd rather she went out to a worthy foe who played well as opposed to just UE'ing the match away

BikezAreForever!
Aug 28th, 2011, 06:09 AM
So what are your guys' takes on how the USO courts will work with Kvitova's game. I guess I thought that Kvitova worked best on slower courts like clay and AO hard courts (and wimby now that they've changed it :sad:)
So have her losses been just the fact that she's on her post Wimby hangover, or are they also because her game doesn't work as well on fast hard courts?

Thats a good question. I wish I know where the problem is. Her game is really good on grass but she is good on HCs too IMO. My theory is that it is rather outdoor HCs in US which are problems for her. All her wins actually came on indoor HCs. US Open stadium is also much more open to the wind than say Melbourne. On the other hand, she can still make a good result here. She got into fourth round in 2009, when she was only learning ropes on the tour. I think it is mixture of thinks; weather, HCs, confidence and her health, in that order.

However I think if she somehow gets to QF, she is there with a good shot. It will be quite nervous wait if she gets through first three rounds though. Also I hope the courts is not too windy due to bad weather in NYC. Excelsior promised he would fix the weather for her ;) well ...it didnt really work out :D

On the other hand I am very hopeful for YEC, it is played almost indoor and it should suit her.

Excelscior
Aug 28th, 2011, 02:51 PM
So what are your guys' takes on how the USO courts will work with Kvitova's game. I guess I thought that Kvitova worked best on slower courts like clay and AO hard courts (and wimby now that they've changed it :sad:)
So have her losses been just the fact that she's on her post Wimby hangover, or are they also because her game doesn't work as well on fast hard courts?

I think it's too soon to determine what Petra's game works ultimately works on (unless you already feels it works on everything, because of the variety of her titles)?

I think you brought up some good points on What Petra's game works well on. But I think it really means her game works well on many surfaces (judging by those aforementioned titles). I think she's continually learning and getting better, and will make the proper adjustments on all surfaces.

I actually think she's been making good progression on hard courts. Think about it? Two years ago she beat #1 Safina at the US Open and made the 4th round, last year she lost to the the US Open Champion, Clijsters in the third round. Think about it? How far would she had progressed if she didn't face her, after making the 4th round the previous year? And earlier this year, she made the 1/4 finals of the slower Australian Open hard courts. So I saw progression there. Remember, Petra is still young, and won 4 out of her 5 career titles, this year. So I think this is a fluid situation, in regards to this point of her career.

As far as her post Wimbledon blues. I think it's too soon to make rash analysis as well. She says she's been rusty, suffering from Asthma, nausea, and lacked rhythm and timing (plus was stopped 2X by a tough opponent in Andrea Petkovic), so I'll give her the benefit of the doubt, after only two back tournaments.

I know the overwhelming Majority of first time slam winners, rarely play well their next few tournaments (so what Petra's doing, after only two tournament isn't shocking), or win their Next Grand Slam. But nonetheless I'm expecting her to do well at the Open. Why?

Cause with Petra's continued development, Wimby being over, a week of practice at the Billie Jean King Center, weaker draws to get her feet wet, and the fact that it's a Grand Slam, where she seems to do well at them, I'm expect her to go far, and certainly wouldn't be surprised (though pleasantly) if she made it to the finals or won the whole damn thing.

The key is, will she be serving, returning, rallying, and hitting her winners (with out much unforced errors)? I know you can say that about anyone, but those are actually strengths in Petra's game, unlike most WTA players. In regards to how well she could play at the US Open, I think it starts with her serve. If Petra has her Wimby serve, that's half the battle on those fast hard courts. It will cause her opponents problems. Of course she can't hit as many winners, from the higher bouncing hard courts from behind the baseline like at Wimbledon, but she can adjust to that by going to the net more often on weaker returns for kill shots. If she can return well, that's even better for her. Maybe the Open, and her first round opponents, will bring Petra the confidence, the feel of similar grand slam surroundings, and her ground strokes back?

And even if she doesn't win this, I would expect her to be a serious contender for the Australian Open, as well. We'll See?

18majors
Aug 28th, 2011, 02:53 PM
The weather will be good on Monday when Petra plays. Hurricane is passing through NYC right now and fortunately the damages aren't as bad as feared.

Sasja
Aug 28th, 2011, 03:17 PM
The weather will be good on Monday when Petra plays. Hurricane is passing through NYC right now and fortunately the damages aren't as bad as feared.

That's good news :)

Excelscior
Aug 28th, 2011, 03:36 PM
The weather will be good on Monday when Petra plays. Hurricane is passing through NYC right now and fortunately the damages aren't as bad as feared.

True! But it all depends on the transportation Newtork (including the airlines/airports, and where the players are), and if it's up and running by then?

It takes 8-24hrs just to get the full transit system running they say.

Plus, we still have to wait for high tide on the East River/Flushing Bay though (near the USTA). That's supposed to take place around 11am. I don't think it would be bad (especially since the rain stopped already). But we still have to wait and see, with the tide?

Right now it's all about the clean up, and transportation Network, coordinating with the USTA.

We'll see?

PS: They and the Mayor Bloomberg are supposed to make their assessment later today. I guess their both waiting for high tide, first?

ArcticMoose
Aug 28th, 2011, 04:31 PM
You're setting your sights a bit too low,I think;we're not talking about mid-20s Elena:hearts: here---we've got a gal who broke through in her 1st Slam final against an experienced opponent.We're not gonna abandon Petra if she does poorly,of course,but we should at least expect her to put forth a gritty effort and,if she DOES lose,I'd rather she went out to a worthy foe who played well as opposed to just UE'ing the match away
Hey Bruce, You may be right with your suggestions :hatoff: : but here are my thoughts on why I set the bar so low. :D After being conditioned on the SS Dementieva:hearts: – usually one emerges as a realist and hence with Petra I have set my sights at heights where the fall will not leave one with acute bruising/injuries that all on board the SS Dementieva:hearts: were accustomed to as being part of the squadron for all those many years – some even emerged from the SS Dementieva:hearts: with acute disabilities when it permanently docked last year:lol:


:cool: I have no doubt what so ever that Petra is an once in a generation top GOATtalent:angel:, so abandonment of Petra is unthinkable but I have readjusted expectations considering the distractions & schedule changes that came about after lifting the rose dish at Wimbledon. I am certain that she will conquer the American HC & Asian HC swing but I am unsure if she would do it in 2011 due to the fact that it does require some adjustments to her preparation schedule. Currently all preparation is done in Europe with off-season fitness in Czech/Slovakia and hitting the practice courts at Prostejov. Also when she does take time off the tour for breaks she trains in the Czech which is suitable for RG & Wimby but for the American & Asian (including Australian) swing it appears that she needs a training base outside Europe with North America being the obvious choice as it is much more cost affective than the Asian option. Sure, Cernosek is an oligarch:p who could well afford to build a couple of grass, indoor & outdoor HC courts for her and the elite Czech players at his club to train on in Prostejov and retain her base all year round on prostejov but there is also a case for a split training base now that she can well afford the luxury of the advantages. :lick:


:cool: Just as the Czech slam legends (Novotna, Mandlikova, Sukova etc) have helped Petra with her mental approach in addition to Kotyza, Ivanko and support staff at Protesjov there is no doubt that having a training base in the US ideally close to Navratilova & possibly Lendle i.e. Florida is going to help her when she is outside Europe. Just as Novotna & Navratilova played an undeniable part in getting that mental prep for the wimby finals with Marsha just spot on , there is still work to be done on the mental side getting her ready for multiple slams which she needs being 21 with almost a full decade ahead of her : where she could easily lose her way/desire despite the fact that Kotyza & Ivanko do a great job technically & physically. :smoke:It’s a Czech team that got her to where she is today & it is my belief that it is the wider Czech tennis expertise that is going to take Petra to GOATness. I just don’t see Petra putting her trust in a non-Czech team considering her background & journey so far. Would anyone in her position want to look else where considering the undeniable Czech tennis pedigree that has shaped her admirably.:angel:


:cool: Having observed the mutual admiration on both sides between Petra & Navratilova I can only see this bond & relationship getting more stronger as it is almost incomprehensible that Navratilova will pick any other player on the horizon except Petra to follow in her foot steps and there by Petra will always have her ear & attention if she chooses to do so (could not even comprehend that Nav would join the Woz camp as an advisor despite the press rumors). Hence it was unreasonable to assume that all these considerations & changes could be made in the 8 weeks since wimby & hence why I have quite a sanguine:) view of her HC swing in the latter half of 2011. …….. thought you’d appreciate a wordy explanation while enjoying your tequila:drink: (to celebrate the woz win) on a pleasant Sunday while appreciating the finer Latina form go bye;) (know that you are cuffed but that does not stop window shopping;))…. Got to dash to help vikapower:worship: with the stats work ……….

Vikapower
Aug 28th, 2011, 05:14 PM
:facepalm: I know I'll say a lot but many interesting points :crazy: don't scrape me. :devil:

I think it's too soon to determine what Petra's game works ultimately works on (unless you already feels it works on everything, because of the variety of her titles)?

Well I tend to agree with you on the base that her career as a top player has only started in August actually - the outcomes aren't yet at the level fans wish to acquaint but indeed it's really too early as far as surfaces that do not have grass as a name.

I think you brought up some good points on What Petra's game works well on. But I think it really means her game works well on many surfaces (judging by those aforementioned titles). I think she's continually learning and getting better, and will make the proper adjustments on all surfaces.

I actually think she's been making good progression on hard courts. Think about it? Two years ago she beat #1 Safina at the US Open and made the 4th round, last year she lost to the the US Open Champion, Clijsters in the third round. Think about it? How far would she had progressed if she didn't face her, after making the 4th round the previous year? And earlier this year, she made the 1/4 finals of the slower Australian Open hard courts. So I saw progression there. Remember, Petra is still young, and won 4 out of her 5 career titles, this year. So I think this is a fluid situation, in regards to this point of her career.

IMO titles etc... are very less indicative of something in the interpretation of a player's progression - a specific tournament indicates only how good a player was to hold a certain XYZ form to clinch the trophy... take Li for example in RG - her relevance now might come on clay if she accumulates similar matches, results, tournaments etc... that's where you can see how good a player has progressed on a surface to me.

To make a record you need to group sufficient amount of food to call it a dinner - technically eating a unique apple isn't a dinner though it will take the attributes of being one because of the moment it was eaten... I'm losing the plot there, I haven't eaten decently for 2 days. :sad:

In Petra's case, there are 2 distinctive careers - pre/post-Wimbledon so I think it's important to let her show what she capable of post-Wimbledon on HCs on the long run.

:shrug: For that matter, if she makes SF or F/W in the major who'll remember she lost 2nd. in 100% of her events in the series ? That's why the brain is one of the most interesting subjects it has that capacity to select consciously or unconsciously, that's greatness no ? :hearts:

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For the grass/clay/slow-fast HCs, grass is still quick behind Pro Deco cat.4 I think so I wouldn't categorize it as slow - actually in the US series except from Stanford (Plexiplave) most of their surfaces aren't that quick, Toronto, Carlsbad (DecoTurf cat. 3). People say Cincy is quick but from the top of my head I think they use DecoTurf cat.3 medium... I'll verify that.

In fact Stanford is the quickest event of the series but Petra didn't play it

Any ways, fast HCs aren't that fast and she still didn't do that well in comparison to clay or grass also categorized as slow (:silly: deservedly for clay lol) but it shows that it's not really the problem, slow/fast etc... :shrug: after, there are differences in treatment for rebounds etc... but that's too technical.

US Open actually is cat. 5 Pro Deco so probably the surface might suit her style better we'll see - as BikezAreForever! suggested, the indoor/outdoor could be playing a factor in her game, so as the different variations weather etc... problem is US Open's weather doesn't seem to be very stable. :lol:

bruce goose
Aug 28th, 2011, 05:33 PM
To get the side issues out of the way first,I've learned that you don't aggressively 'shop' for others when you respect or love your female companion.I have an ex-student,whom most consider gorgeous,who was friendly with me.....and I purposely don't visit her workplace except for every 3 months or so when I'm saying hello to OTHER friends there as well;).The old expression on idle hands also applies to an idle mind: If you lead a normal,active life,then you won't sit around imagining scenarios with other women and yourself...and that's where the psychological battle is often won

Looks like Caro can handle her relationship issues better than some of those hopelessly dizzy quasi-tennis-player cover girls,huh?:lol:

Yeah,I really appreciated your detailed analysis of Petra's development as a player and where it might lead in the future.It's only human to NOT want to set yourself up for disappointment,but it's also important to not forsake your dreams,IMO(in this case they are vicarious dreams that we have for Petra's success).We could easily concoct loads of potential pitfalls for her career,yet Petra seems to have the right foundation in place,and the most crucial aspect might be her attitude/mindset.I've watched other young gals have great successes on the WTA Tour;however,when you stopped to look ahead,you couldn't help asking yourself,'Is she gonna be able to handle the pressure of expectations now?',and,with Petra,I don't have those serious doubts.That's obviously not a rock-solid guarantee of future glory,but we've read where Petra has drawn the admiration of greater tennis minds than ours...which adds credibility..........Have fun with Vikapower:wavey:

paulmara
Aug 28th, 2011, 06:12 PM
Petra kvitova facebook : Hello from Ny , I´m Ok , you don´t recognize, that something special happened, it is raining a lot and everything is closed. But tomorrow we should normally play, so hold me your thumbs.

Laura_VeeFan
Aug 28th, 2011, 06:23 PM
I really hope she plays tomorrow as I'm not going to work tomorrow :)

How bad did the hurricane hit? Because if it is as minor as I'm hearing then she should definately play

ArcticMoose
Aug 28th, 2011, 06:36 PM
Petra kvitova Practicing at Luis Armstrong at US OPEN 2011

kmBd0iDUVrI&feature

TimeyWimey
Aug 28th, 2011, 06:50 PM
I really hope she plays tomorrow as I'm not going to work tomorrow :)

How bad did the hurricane hit? Because if it is as minor as I'm hearing then she should definately play

sounds like right now, it majorly depends on how the city could recover from the transit system shut down

Excelscior
Aug 28th, 2011, 07:12 PM
I really hope she plays tomorrow as I'm not going to work tomorrow :)

How bad did the hurricane hit? Because if it is as minor as I'm hearing then she should definately play

There will be limited subway and bus service tomorrow, according to the MTA (but their still accessing apparently). But the USTA say's there will be Tennis tomorrow, and apparently Petra. You just got to find a way there. Lol.

The players don't worry about that stuff, cause they get a car service from who ever the US Open's major sponsor is. Lol

TimeyWimey
Aug 28th, 2011, 07:28 PM
There will be limited subway and bus service tomorrow, according to the MTA (but their still accessing apparently). But the USTA say's there will be Tennis tomorrow, and apparently Petra. You just got to find a way there. Lol.

The players don't worry about that stuff, cause they get a car service from who ever the US Open's major sponsor is. Lol

I have no problem if they postpone the schedule a little bit and Petra starts her match in Night Session at AA, I always love watching my TV rather than the small laptop screen :lol:

TimeyWimey
Aug 28th, 2011, 10:31 PM
They moved Petra's match to Luis Armstrong tmw, 2nd match starting 11am :(

Excelscior
Aug 28th, 2011, 11:06 PM
They moved Petra's match to Luis Armstrong tmw, 2nd match starting 11am :(

I knew Petra would get bumped some way in this uncertainty. Lol.

But I guess they actually did her a favor, by bumping her up to about 1-1:30 pm by making her the second match. At least she doesn't start off as the first match at 11am. And she's actually been practicing at Louis Armstrong (where she'll be playing in the second match) to boot in those videos we saw.

Very windy today, with the last southern band of the hurricanes still blowing on us here in the City. I'm sure/hopefully, by tomorrow the wind and the last refuges of the hurricane's southern outer bands will be gone?

It's supposed to be about 80 degrees and sunny Monday.

18majors
Aug 28th, 2011, 11:18 PM
I knew Petra would get bumped some way in this uncertainty. Lol.

But I guess they actually did her a favor, by bumping her up to about 1-1:30 pm by making her the second match. At least she doesn't start off as the first match at 11am. And she's actually been practicing at Louis Armstrong (where she'll be playing in the second match) to boot in those videos we saw.

Very windy today, with the last southern band of the hurricanes still blowing on us here in the City. I'm sure/hopefully, by tomorrow the wind and the last refuges of the hurricane's southern outer bands will be gone?

It's supposed to be about 80 degrees and sunny Monday.

The forecast is mostly sunny, 76 F and 8 miles NW wind.

http://www.accuweather.com/us/ny/maspeth/11378/forecast-hourly.asp?fday=2

Laura_VeeFan
Aug 28th, 2011, 11:33 PM
They moved Petra's match to Luis Armstrong tmw, 2nd match starting 11am :(

:(

Oh well it will still be televised :)

Excelscior
Aug 29th, 2011, 12:37 AM
:(

Oh well it will still be televised :)

Petra seems to get moved from the Stadium Court to the Grandstand more than any other WTA player. Lol :) :( :rolleyes: :( :)

TimeyWimey
Aug 29th, 2011, 01:26 AM
:(

Oh well it will still be televised :)

yep, but for me, the first match is ATP, which means it probably won't finish until like 130, so very likely i will miss Petra's match tmw due to a meeting :(

Laura_VeeFan
Aug 29th, 2011, 01:34 AM
Thank god I have tomorrow off work, or I'll just have to follow live scores all the time at work like during the AO :(

I suppose there are always streams if you can't see it. I always use Fromsport :)

bruce goose
Aug 29th, 2011, 04:44 AM
Spoke to my dad by telephone a few hours ago(that'll be some nasty-ass long distance charges:help:).He lives in Bridgeport County(aye THINK that's what it's called)in SW Connecticut which borders on New York State,and he told me that he didn't even lose power at any time...that the threat was somewhat exaggerated by attention-seeking meteorologists who so rarely get a real news story.....Anyway,sorry for wasting space if you already discussed this in other threads,but it looks like everything's a go for Petra tmw...and that the only weather crisis will be the normal sh--ty winds

BikezAreForever!
Aug 29th, 2011, 07:13 AM
Spoke to my dad by telephone a few hours ago(that'll be some nasty-ass long distance charges:help:).He lives in Bridgeport County(aye THINK that's what it's called)in SW Connecticut which borders on New York State,and he told me that he didn't even lose power at any time...that the threat was somewhat exaggerated by attention-seeking meteorologists who so rarely get a real news story.....Anyway,sorry for wasting space if you already discussed this in other threads,but it looks like everything's a go for Petra tmw...and that the only weather crisis will be the normal sh--ty winds
Someone posted a weather forecast for monday previously and it said winds only 8-10 knots.:bounce:

cosmoose
Aug 29th, 2011, 08:00 AM
Louis Armstrong still seats 10,000 people so its not a small court by any means.
It certainly is a better stadium to view a tennis match than the ginormous Ashe.

18majors
Aug 29th, 2011, 02:13 PM
It's exciting time of the year for tennis.

ArcticMoose
Aug 29th, 2011, 06:41 PM
Update : USO R1 : Niculescu def. Mayr-Achleitner 63 63

So Monica NICULESCU, ROU will be playing winner of Petra Kvitova(CZE)[5] vs Alexandra Dulgheru(ROU)
in Women's Singles - 2nd Round. If Petra wins her 1st Round match, it would be the first meeting with Monica NICULESCU

cosmoose
Aug 29th, 2011, 07:36 PM
Petra is in awful form.
No improvement from Toronto/Cincy :help:

Laura_VeeFan
Aug 29th, 2011, 07:47 PM
Petra :help:

If you do win this match you really need to stop hitting balls into the middle of the court

mac47
Aug 29th, 2011, 08:10 PM
Quite painful to watch. She has a lot of negative body language, and looked out of that tiebreak from the get-go. Then got pissed off and broke immediately, LOL. I hope she wakes up and stops spraying errors. Over 30 UE in the first set alone!

Excelscior
Aug 29th, 2011, 08:18 PM
Petra needs to move forward & cut off these short balls, instead of trying to hit behind the baseline for errors.

Excelscior
Aug 29th, 2011, 08:22 PM
She's awful today, & giiving this girl confidence. She may loose this with 100 UE's.

Excelscior
Aug 29th, 2011, 08:24 PM
And I got an asshole no nothng, smartass commentator on ESPN 3.

Excelscior
Aug 29th, 2011, 08:30 PM
Her movement/foot work is awful. Plus she breaks early, then gives up the break (& Set points) each set.

cosmoose
Aug 29th, 2011, 08:47 PM
I can't believe that Petra couldn't adjust her game.
No plan B.

She and her team should be embarrassed.

TimeyWimey
Aug 29th, 2011, 08:52 PM
i was able to catch up with the final several games in the match after meeting, i just cried.....

Laura_VeeFan
Aug 29th, 2011, 08:57 PM
Thank god I didn't see the second set...

Petra really has to pick it up if she's going to challenge for more slams next year :(

Sasja
Aug 29th, 2011, 09:10 PM
I can't believe that Petra couldn't adjust her game.
No plan B.

She and her team should be embarrassed.


No plan B at all :help: Obviously her groundstrokes were not working, but she just kept playing like that.
At some point (TB I think :scratch:) she went to the net a few times and won those points.
I would have liked her to try that more often today, just to mix it up.

I'm so dissapointed. I know she wasn't in the best form coming to the USO. But she had a decent draw for R1 and R2. Dulgheru was injured and had not played since Wimbledon.
After those 2 matches I hoped she would play herself in the tournament.

And now Maria is a set and a break down as well :hysteric:

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 29th, 2011, 09:11 PM
Poor Petra!!!:hysteric:

Excelscior
Aug 29th, 2011, 09:15 PM
No plan B at all :help: Obviously her groundstrokes were not working, but she just kept playing like that.
At some point (TB I think :scratch:) she went to the net a few times and won those points.
I would have liked her to try that more often today, just to mix it up.

I'm so dissapointed. I know she wasn't in the best form coming to the USO. But she had a decent draw for R1 and R2. Dulgheru was injured and had not played since Wimbledon.
After those 2 matches I hoped she would play herself in the tournament.

And now Maria is a set and a break down as well :hysteric:

All This!

Excelscior
Aug 29th, 2011, 09:18 PM
Petra was so bad, she didn't even allow Dulgheru to choke if/when she knew she had a chance to win. It's like after Petra lost the first set, and gave back her break in the second set, she just raced through the match for a loss.

Think about all the points she's left on the table the past few tournaments and matches she didn't play or excel in?

Vikapower
Aug 29th, 2011, 11:26 PM
I didn't think that was true but Petra is the first Wimbledon champion to lose in the 1st. round of US Open in the Open era... that's really uncool and undeserved....

As for the discussion in the LiveScore - very interesting, I can't talk much about her team/game and all since I've only been paying closer attention to her and them earlier this year from Paris Open GDF but hopefully she will find the thing that perhaps bothers her on HCs and fix it...

Excelscior
Aug 30th, 2011, 12:07 AM
I didn't think that was true but Petra is the first Wimbledon champion to lose in the 1st. round of US Open in the Open era... that's really uncool and undeserved....

As for the discussion in the LiveScore - very interesting, I can't talk much about her team/game and all since I've only been paying closer attention to her and them earlier this year from Paris Open GDF but hopefully she will find the thing that perhaps bothers her on HCs and fix it...

I'm curious to hear what she and her team have to say this time.

I wonder if it's the same ole same ole, or this time more revelation?

Vikapower
Aug 30th, 2011, 12:26 AM
I'm curious to hear what she and her team have to say this time.

I wonder if it's the same ole same ole, or this time more revelation?

Personally I wouldn't be too harsh on her - and as I've seen you state many times already it's not like this loss makes her a marginal in the history of the tour...

Many girls have had a slight little stalling after the very first major, it happened to Serena, Maria... even Li Na, Schiavone... just watch their records after the first slam - I really don't see what's so particular for people to discredit Petra this much.

Petra herself or her team etc... that must take care and not let that moment of floating last too long - so I hope she'll use some sort of Tier III/IV event before the important asian tourneys to get some quick nitroglycerine.

18majors
Aug 30th, 2011, 01:25 AM
I though Petra still has all her winning shots today but too many UE's did her in.

For some reasons, Dulgheru is tough on HC. She almost took out Maria at QF in Miami.

ArcticMoose
Aug 30th, 2011, 02:33 AM
USO R1 : Alexandra Dulgheru(ROU) def. Petra Kvitova(CZE)[5] 7-6(3) 6-3

Post Match Comments from Petra

Espn : Kvitova, said that as she began to make mistakes, she started thinking negative thoughts. Asked why she was still struggling with that after winning Wimbledon, she said, "That's a good question, actually." "This is something new for me," Kvitova said about her new status as Grand Slam champion. "I've felt a little pressure."

AFP : Kvitova admitted that she wasn't yet completely comfortable carrying the mantle of grand slam champion into a major tournament. "It's something new for me," she said. She couldn't point to any particular problem in her game. "Everything is in the head," she said. "If you are thinking on court negatively it's bad."

Excelscior
Aug 30th, 2011, 03:19 AM
Reluctant star Petra Kvitova falls on Day 1
Aug 29 | By Douglas Robson

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storyChris Trotman/Getty ImagesFeeling the burden of her newfound stardom, Wimbledon champ and No. 5 seed Petra Kvitova lost on the U.S. Open's first day.

Wimbledon champion Petra Kvitova, who has struggled on the hard-court circuit since her All-England Club triumph, crashed out of the U.S. Open in the first round Monday afternoon. The fifth-seeded Czech fell to Romania's Alexandra Dulgheru, 7-6 (3), 6-3, at Louis Armstrong Stadium.

The early loss is the latest disappointment in what has been a decidedly pedestrian summer for Kvitova. Since becoming the youngest Wimbledon winner in seven years, the 21-year-old has posted a match record of just 2-3.

"I know that I'm still young and this is something new for me," Kvitova said Monday after the loss. "I need more experiences for sure."

Kvitova rolled into the Big Apple as both a title threat and a question mark. The hard-hitting Czech possesses the big game required to go deep at the U.S. Open. But players rarely follow up their maiden major with immediate Slam hardware.

"It's not easy, that's for sure, especially after your first one, definitely," said Maria Sharapova, who captured Wimbledon, her first major, at age 17 in 2004.

"When I won Wimbledon I felt a sort of pressure, of course," Kvitova echoed on Monday. "Yeah, maybe it's a little bit of this."

Kvitova also has been hampered by a case of asthma that flares up in humid weather and an adductor injury sustained while running the table at Wimbledon, where she beat top-five players Victoria Azarenka and Sharapova, respectively, in the semifinals and final.

But on Monday she refused to blame her body for her struggles.

"Everything [is in] the head," Kvitova said. "If you are thinking on the court negatively, it's bad."

It's not unusual for players to struggle with the added attention and expectations that follow breakout performances. And Kvitova is not a well-oiled, academy-produced finished product. She hails from a small Czech town of 6,000 residents, and grew up idolizing Martina Navratilova. Her village, Bilovec, has just four tennis courts. She was coached by her non-tennis-playing father and didn't take up the sport in earnest until her early teens.

After relocating at age 16 to the famous Prostejov tennis club, where other top players such as Tomas Berdych and Lucie Safarova honed their games, Kvitova progressed quickly. But nothing prepared her for her post-Wimbledon fame.

Shy by nature, Kvitova says she would prefer to go unnoticed but understands klieg lights are trained on newly minted tennis champions.

"I don't like it too much, the attention," Kvitova said in Cincinnati earlier this month. But she doesn't mind the responsibility.

"It's important for … WTA and for the tournaments," she added. "I don't care."

Kvitova did not celebrate much after Wimbledon, spending time with family and friends and recovering from a leg injury that required painkillers during the London fortnight.

She insists the victory didn't change her.

"Me as a person? I don't feel anything," Kvitova said. "I know the people recognize me more; they want more autographs, photos and more media. As [for] me, I'm still the same."

David Kotyza, her coach of three years, expects a period of adjustment.

"I think she has potential to be on the top," he said recently. "But this potential [exists in] more girls. We will see. It depends. If she stays healthy and both feet on the ground, everything is possible."

Navratilova, who sees a great future for her fellow southpaw, likewise speaks in measured terms.

"I don't want to anoint anybody here," the nine-time Wimbledon singles champion told reporters at Wimbledon. "That would be putting a lot of pressure on somebody. I don't want to take attention away from the players coming through."

Devoted fans aren't letting Kvitova lie low, however. To wit: a video montage of her 222 winners at Wimbledon that has already received more than 43,000 views on YouTube.

One pressure Kvitova hasn't faced is being seen as an unworthy elite.

Unlike Caroline Wozniacki, Jelena Jankovic and Dinara Safina, Kvitova has not shouldered the burden of reaching No. 1 without winning a major. Indeed, Kvitova -- who reached a career-high No. 6 earlier this month and is currently ranked No. 7 -- has yet to crack the top five.

"It seems like she hits the ball harder than anyone I've ever seen," said U.S. Fed Cup captain and ESPN commentator Mary Joe Fernandez last month. "Playing that high-risk that consistently is remarkable."

Seeded fifth at the Open because of Kim Clijsters' absence, Kvitova has won four titles in five finals this season. But while her penetrating shots can send opponents reeling backward, she can also go off her game, as happened on Monday against the 49th-ranked Dulgheru, when Kvitova's wicked slicing serve and percussive groundstrokes failed her.

Was she burdened by the pressure that the "Wimbledon champion" mantle carries?

"It's something new for me," she said, ruefully, after the match. "I have to fight with this."

See more from tennis writer Douglas Robson at douglasrobson.com.

TimeyWimey
Aug 30th, 2011, 03:30 AM
^thx for this, Ex

bruce goose
Aug 30th, 2011, 05:28 AM
Perspective tells us that even some legends sucked in the Slam that followed their original title...however,it's still no fun to see Petra stink it up THAT badly.Losses like these don't leave your memory,as a fan,completely until the player turns things around.Still,I think it's sort of charming:angel: that Petra so candidly admits the pressure of expectations.Yeah,I know it's kind of a ritual for athletes,especially females,to pretend that pressure doesn't exist,but it got a little ridiculous for me back when Dinara kept denying that the #1 ranking issue affected her.......Okay,Petra,it's time for some Asian MM Magic:cool:!VAMOS!!!:bounce:

paulmara
Aug 30th, 2011, 09:00 AM
Losing is part of the deal, it´s not the end of the world. In a long time perspective it´s better to crash in round 1 than lose in tiebreak in round 3. 52 unforced errors it is 13 games exactly.

The funny thing is that I like her even more after this loss. To be mediocre is no solution for Petra.I take the highest tops and the deepest lows. When your team win a title there is a period of time when you must not complain. It is easy to be a fan of beuties. You can always dicsuss their clothes. For Petra take real week off in Mediterranean to clean you head. She thinks too much.

ArcticMoose
Aug 30th, 2011, 12:32 PM
Says it All.....conveys a thousand words ....
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/293479_204739202923500_185199214877499_631383_8207 26_n.jpg

This is Petra's Official Website : www.kvitovapetra.cz (http://www.kvitovapetra.cz) (doubles up as her facebook site)

:tape: Sad to see trolls invading her official site & calling her a deception .. etc ....some even claiming to have a party...

So if you wanna show you fan support at this low point for her ... then that's where she needs you all....

TimeyWimey
Aug 30th, 2011, 03:43 PM
To be mediocre is no solution for Petra.I take the highest tops and the deepest lows.

this

bruce goose
Aug 30th, 2011, 03:54 PM
Thanks for the info,Moose;it shouldn't be that hard for Petra's team to find a decent webmaster for a distinct site.That would effectively eliminate the cockroach-troll problem and make the page more pleasant.As you said,despite the record-setting,awful Wimby follow-up,we should support Petra and re-assure her that it's only a blip on the radar

TimeyWimey
Aug 30th, 2011, 04:05 PM
Says it All.....conveys a thousand words ....
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/293479_204739202923500_185199214877499_631383_8207 26_n.jpg

This is Petra's Official Website : www.kvitovapetra.cz (http://www.kvitovapetra.cz) (doubles up as her facebook site)

:tape: Sad to see trolls invading her official site & calling her a deception .. etc ....some even claiming to have a party...

So if you wanna show you fan support at this low point for her ... then that's where she needs you all....

Sad, facebook is a stupid place, they should at least have a dislike button for the comment so the one with some negative dislikes will not be displayed :(

18majors
Aug 30th, 2011, 05:20 PM
It still is hard to believe Petra is out of US Open but I'm not worried. She is young and she will win many more grand slam titles.

theFutureisNow
Aug 30th, 2011, 05:54 PM
I was out of town and missed the match.

Did Petra seem injured or just play really, really bad?

To add insult to injury, the other seeded players are 18-0 so far.

ArcticMoose
Aug 30th, 2011, 06:19 PM
Not Injured. Broke Dulgheru in the very 1st game of the match so was a break up & could not consolidate. She also had 3 set points in the 1st set. Only weapon that seemed to be working was the serve. Dulgheru was awful as well but played smart to keep the UEs low & Petra gift wrapped the match for her with her 52 UEs. It was awful to watch Petra suffering & struggling on court - there were flashes of her true self, followed by inexplicable brain freeze moments littered througout the two sets.

bruce goose
Aug 30th, 2011, 06:24 PM
So far,I haven't seen a bunch of tennis wags jumping on her but,even if they DO,then I suspect that Petra's support team is strong enough to ease her through any negative press

Excelscior
Aug 30th, 2011, 07:25 PM
Not Injured. Broke Dulgheru in the very 1st game of the match so was a break up & could not consolidate. She also had 3 set points in the 1st set. Only weapon that seemed to be working was the serve. Dulgheru was awful as well but played smart to keep the UEs low & Petra gift wrapped the match for her with her 52 UEs. It was awful to watch Petra suffering & struggling on court - there were flashes of her true self, followed by inexplicable brain freeze moments littered througout the two sets.

Nice Review/Capsule.

With all due respect though, I don't think Petra served all that well. She was broken 4-6X? She also lost the first tiebreaker. I don't think Petra followed up her serve with proper or quick forward movement or judgement (so very few winners, respective to errors). She was just out of sync, and tried to hit from the baseline. Dulgheru appeared to handle her serve well as the match progressed. And even when Petra got a good serve in, most times she didn't know what to do with it or couldn't hit the proper winner down the line or in the empty space.

Overall she was just sloppy, confused, indecisive, out of rhythm and lacked confidence.

Ultimately, she appeared frustrated, as if she just gave up at the end, and wanted to be out of there. She'll be back!

Excelscior
Aug 30th, 2011, 07:31 PM
Petra Giveth, and Petra Taketh away.

She made us all (and herself) feel so special this summer by winning Wimbledon. That was such a great feeling! Now she went and did something special in the opposite. She's now the first Wimbledon Champion in the Open era to lose before the third round in her upcoming US Open. SMH. This is not the type of notoriety I was expecting from Petra. Lol.

Yes it's shocking and disappointing she's not playing, by getting knocked out in the first round (especially when Masha won and had even more unforced errors, and lost her first set, but least Masha went for her shot). And let's face it. Petra was awful. You don't realize how bad she was (and she was bad), till you watched other players yesterday. To add to the notoriety, she was the only seeded woman (or player period) that lost yesterday. It was clear Petra compounded her lack of match play, with a lack of confidence, patience and mental strength. She just broke down. That's not good or progress. Her team has to re-access, and come up with the proper, effective, noticeable adjustments and solutions.

Now we hear a lot of people say "Petra can't play on Hard courts" etc. (despite her previous success on them), etc.. But if you would of saw 16 yr old Madison Keys of America, Serve, volley, hit winners and ground strokes like Petra, to overwhelm her opponent, Jilly Craybas yesterday, you'd know that's so far from the truth. Petra's got the game to win on hardcourts. To be honest, a lot of the stuff she wasn't doing yesterday, was fundamental. I saw so many seeded players going to the net, hitting for the lines/hitting deep-then moving forward, and stepping into their serve/shot vs their 1st round opponents, that in retrospect it made me roll my eyes saying "That's Petra's Game". The same game that won her Wimbledon, she could excel at the US Open (wit more volleys thrown in). Not with Petra though yesterday, amazingly. Lol

So the Open continues with out her; compounded by watching players you know she's better than cruise (while listening to idiot broadcasters take pot shots at Petra).

Let the vultures, the haters, the naysayers, TF Nitwits, disgruntled media people who didn't notice or pick her to win Wimbledon, and the Sharapova and Wozniaki fans that have an ax to grind, etc. have their say. It's OK/expected. She lost in the first round.

So what's left? We're going to have to temper our expectations, and give Petra a chance to work out of this funk/mental block/expectations deal she's experiencing.

And Petra's going to have to do some work on the Asian swing, and any additional tournaments. Hopefully it happens soon. We know Petra left a bunch of ranking points on the table the past 3-5 tournaments (including the ones she didn't participate in), and will put that much pressure on herself in 2012 in defending her ranking points, without any additional ones from the second half of 2011. She can do it! But I hope an empty fall/summer swing doesn't double her pressure next year? Knowing Petra, she'll run off 2-4 more titles before the end of year all of a sudden. SMH Lol.

Good Luck Petra!

18majors
Aug 31st, 2011, 01:03 AM
Petra lost first round in Nassau, 2nd match in Miami and then she won Fed Cup and Madrid. Clearly, bad losses never discourage her.

In 1-2 years when Petra continues to win slam titles, 2011 US Open Series will be no more than a blip in the radar screen.

mac47
Aug 31st, 2011, 02:48 AM
Li Na is now out of the tournament too, so misery can have company.

I hope Petra doesn't get too discouraged. Indoor season should help.

bruce goose
Aug 31st, 2011, 04:23 AM
Honestly,the only thing that could pose a serious threat to Petra would be if she started losing her love for tennis....if she decided that the pressure of expectations just wasn't worth it.I'm only speaking hypothetically here b/c I consider that possibility to be remote in Petra's case......yet aye HAVE seen other players who became far less successful once they relized that elite-level tennis was a business...and that they couldn't be carefree little girls anymore,so that's why I mentioned that

18majors
Aug 31st, 2011, 03:39 PM
Petra, take a break then practice hard. Just be yourself, the whole world is your oyster.

paulmara
Aug 31st, 2011, 05:42 PM
Someone posted a picture of „Black Swan.“ It is appropriate for our situaiotn. In our case Anne Hathaway version.

Lucy makes me crazy. Vikapower is fighting with fans of Serena, an ordinary day in the office.

bruce goose
Aug 31st, 2011, 06:26 PM
Petra, take a break then practice hard. Just be yourself, the whole world is your oyster.Some of your recent pro-Petra predictions haven't gone so well:o,but I'm not mocking you because I certainly hope that Petra does as well as many of us have envisioned

Excelscior
Aug 31st, 2011, 07:49 PM
Some of your recent pro-Petra predictions haven't gone so well:o,but I'm not mocking you because I certainly hope that Petra does as well as many of us have envisioned

I noticed that as well. I was wondering if anyone else did to. :sad: :sad:

We all love your enthusiasm, though 18 Majors. Lol

TimeyWimey
Aug 31st, 2011, 08:53 PM
Honestly,the only thing that could pose a serious threat to Petra would be if she started losing her love for tennis....if she decided that the pressure of expectations just wasn't worth it.I'm only speaking hypothetically here b/c I consider that possibility to be remote in Petra's case......yet aye HAVE seen other players who became far less successful once they relized that elite-level tennis was a business...and that they couldn't be carefree little girls anymore,so that's why I mentioned that

this

i'm pretty sure after monday's match, all fans, including Petra herself, would fear that it's exceedingly likely that the greatest success is behind her

i recall a story told on TED, it is about the moonlight dance in North Africa which people gather together until dawn, and very rarely, the dancer would become transcendent when everything align for the moment, it's like the glimpse of God.

but the tricky thing is the next morning, when he wakes up and just realizes that he is no longer the glimpse of God and his knee is broken and can barely move. Maybe he's never going to ascend to that height again and maybe nobody will ever chant God's name again as he spins

what about the next the dangerously, frighteningly overanticipated follow up to his freakish success?

and Liz Gilbert (Eat, Pray, Love) says,

.....don't be afraid. Don't be daunted. Just do your job. Continue to show up for your piece of it, whatever that might be. If your job is to dance, do your dance. If the divine, cockeyed genius assigned to your case decides to let some sort of wonderment be glimpsed, for just one moment through your efforts, then "Ole!" And if not, do your dance anyhow. And "Ole!" to you, nonetheless. I believe this and I feel that we must teach it. "Ole!" to you, nonetheless, just for having the sheer human love and stubbornness to keep showing up.

18majors
Sep 1st, 2011, 02:32 PM
I have followed tennis for a long time and frankly talent like Petra doesn't come around often. What I know is that nobody wins all the time including the best like Sampras, Nadal and the like.

Tough to know why Petra had such a poor US Open Series but cream rises to the top. Petra will rise again, it's just a matter of time.

bruce goose
Sep 1st, 2011, 04:22 PM
this

i'm pretty sure after monday's match, all fans, including Petra herself, would fear that it's exceedingly likely that the greatest success is behind her

i recall a story told on TED, it is about the moonlight dance in North Africa which people gather together until dawn, and very rarely, the dancer would become transcendent when everything align for the moment, it's like the glimpse of God.

but the tricky thing is the next morning, when he wakes up and just realizes that he is no longer the glimpse of God and his knee is broken and can barely move. Maybe he's never going to ascend to that height again and maybe nobody will ever chant God's name again as he spins

what about the next the dangerously, frighteningly overanticipated follow up to his freakish success?

and Liz Gilbert (Eat, Pray, Love) says,Nice post.Usually,wayward players take quite a while to regain their focus so,if we see any reasonably-long stretch of solid play from Petra in this Asian season,then we can fairly assume that she still has a strong heart for tennis:)...and that she isn't doubting her love for the sport

bruce goose
Sep 4th, 2011, 05:47 AM
Any word on which Asian tournament Petra plans to start out with---or might she choose Quebec City instead?

Corswandt
Sep 4th, 2011, 01:02 PM
Any word on which Asian tournament Petra plans to start out with---or might she choose Quebec City instead?

I was just checking the subforum to see if her team hadn't decided to do something apparently clever but actually pretty stupid like entering Québec. I mean, surface favours her game like no other (last carpet event on both Tours), but in her current form she'd only lose to Trashtek or something.

Also a bit afraid that her reaction to this embarrassment would be to Work HeR aSS ofF in thE praCtiCE CouRt!1!!!, which right now would probably do much more harm than good. She looked physically and mentally drained all through her epic North American campaign, and what she needs now is rest.

There's no point in even showing up for anything until movement and footwork are back at an acceptable level. Question is how long that will take. If things are indeed as bad as they look, maybe making up some BS injury excuse to skip the useless East Asian events will be in order. And then cautiously attempt to play a few matches indoors in Y00rup to see if she can risk showing up at the YEC. But right now, everything is in doubt, including Fed Cup. Cetkovska may have to replace her.

zhukov97
Sep 4th, 2011, 03:16 PM
I was just checking the subforum to see if her team hadn't decided to do something apparently clever but actually pretty stupid like entering Québec. I mean, surface favours her game like no other (last carpet event on both Tours), but in her current form she'd only lose to Trashtek or something.

Also a bit afraid that her reaction to this embarrassment would be to Work HeR aSS ofF in thE praCtiCE CouRt!1!!!, which right now would probably do much more harm than good. She looked physically and mentally drained all through her epic North American campaign, and what she needs now is rest.

There's no point in even showing up for anything until movement and footwork are back at an acceptable level. Question is how long that will take. If things are indeed as bad as they look, maybe making up some BS injury excuse to skip the useless East Asian events will be in order. And then cautiously attempt to play a few matches indoors in Y00rup to see if she can risk showing up at the YEC. But right now, everything is in doubt, including Fed Cup. Cetkovska may have to replace her.

She may mentally drained, but definitely no physically. I do think her irregular training after winby caused her not being good fit. Good fit and better movement are really really important for her style. She really need to work harder now

ArcticMoose
Sep 4th, 2011, 04:36 PM
^^
This is a clinical psychological view on what she and her team face : post USO series debacle. It’s the thoughts that induce feelings/perceptions & it is these that drive behaviour so until what ever is going on between her ears is fixed (perceptions of pressure/expectations/demands) she is going to feel negative thoughts, feel anxious, feel low on energy (drained) etc which then plays out on court with poor performances.

Everything she has learnt & trained is intact but muddled due to what ‘s going on between her ears right now. Nothing overtly drastic is needed – just patiently fixing the obvious basics (foundations) that drive performance ground-up in logical steps. Hope the team reaches out for expertise & gets good help. This is completely fixable – with the time for complete recovery dependent on her engagement with the process & her support structure surrounding her.

bruce goose
Sep 4th, 2011, 04:42 PM
I was just checking the subforum to see if her team hadn't decided to do something apparently clever but actually pretty stupid like entering Québec. I mean, surface favours her game like no other (last carpet event on both Tours), but in her current form she'd only lose to Trashtek or something.

Also a bit afraid that her reaction to this embarrassment would be to Work HeR aSS ofF in thE praCtiCE CouRt!1!!!, which right now would probably do much more harm than good. She looked physically and mentally drained all through her epic North American campaign, and what she needs now is rest.

There's no point in even showing up for anything until movement and footwork are back at an acceptable level. Question is how long that will take. If things are indeed as bad as they look, maybe making up some BS injury excuse to skip the useless East Asian events will be in order. And then cautiously attempt to play a few matches indoors in Y00rup to see if she can risk showing up at the YEC. But right now, everything is in doubt, including Fed Cup. Cetkovska may have to replace her.Well,you've gotten back into your gloom-and-doom Corswandt Mode again:lol: though,to be fair,some of your points have merit.I think/hope that Petra's English level is good enough,if she reads the above,to realize that you're a big fan;)

TimeyWimey
Sep 4th, 2011, 05:05 PM
I was just checking the subforum to see if her team hadn't decided to do something apparently clever but actually pretty stupid like entering Québec. I mean, surface favours her game like no other (last carpet event on both Tours), but in her current form she'd only lose to Trashtek or something.

Also a bit afraid that her reaction to this embarrassment would be to Work HeR aSS ofF in thE praCtiCE CouRt!1!!!, which right now would probably do much more harm than good. She looked physically and mentally drained all through her epic North American campaign, and what she needs now is rest.

There's no point in even showing up for anything until movement and footwork are back at an acceptable level. Question is how long that will take. If things are indeed as bad as they look, maybe making up some BS injury excuse to skip the useless East Asian events will be in order. And then cautiously attempt to play a few matches indoors in Y00rup to see if she can risk showing up at the YEC. But right now, everything is in doubt, including Fed Cup. Cetkovska may have to replace her.

nice you mentioned Fed Cup, it will be a really difficult decision for Czech's coach if Petra still can not find her confidence in Asian swing

right now, nothing is more important for her than wining back-to-back matches, something she has not been able to do after Wimbledon, and something very critical for Czech's Fed cup run

if she can manage to reach QF (bye for R1) in Tokyo or Beijing, i think she will get the confidence back :)

18majors
Sep 4th, 2011, 05:26 PM
Can't wait to see Petra play again.

Corswandt
Sep 4th, 2011, 07:35 PM
Petra probably still in NY; her "bunny" is playing today.

TimeyWimey
Sep 4th, 2011, 07:47 PM
Petra probably still in NY; her "bunny" is playing today.

just saw someone tweeted about her at NYC, but her bunny gets a poor draw:lol:

ArcticMoose
Sep 4th, 2011, 08:21 PM
RT @jon_wertheim (http://twitter.com/@jon_wertheim): Just watched Petra kvitova - wearing an I d badge! - walk through food court totally unrecognized - 1 day ago

Excelscior
Sep 4th, 2011, 10:12 PM
just saw someone tweeted about her at NYC, but her bunny gets a poor draw:lol:

Why isn't she practicing in the next event town, (instead of watching her pre-pubescent bunny)!!??
:rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes:

TimeyWimey
Sep 4th, 2011, 10:27 PM
Why isn't she practicing in the next event town, (instead of watching her pre-pubescent bunny)!!??
:rolleyes: :confused: :rolleyes:

maybe her next tourny is Tokyo, starting Sept 25 :confused:

Excelscior
Sep 4th, 2011, 10:53 PM
maybe her next tourny is Tokyo, starting Sept 25 :confused:

I knew some smart alec was going to take me literally. SMH. I'm well aware. Thx.

Relax Reyeszjj. It was the spirit & sarcasm, I was really exhibiting.

Petra needs work & matches. I know she has a life to. Lol

TimeyWimey
Sep 4th, 2011, 11:18 PM
I knew some smart alec was going to take me literally. SMH. I'm well aware. Thx.

Relax Reyeszjj. It was the spirit & sarcasm, I was really exhibiting.

Petra needs work & matches. I know she has a life to. Lol

seriously, Adam is 6-4 4-3 up against 2011 Wimbledon champion Luke Saville

TimeyWimey
Sep 4th, 2011, 11:36 PM
Adam killed Wimbledon Champion 6-4 7-5 :lol:

Excelscior
Sep 4th, 2011, 11:39 PM
Adam killed Wimbledon Champion 6-4 7-5 :lol:

Ok. Good for them! :) :rolleyes: :) Lol

What round is he in now?

ArcticMoose
Sep 5th, 2011, 12:43 AM
Post USO Exit Words from Petra to the Czech Press


http://www.tenisportal.cz/zpravy/komentatori-o-kvitove-tohle-neni-zraneni-tela-ale-hlavy-8666/

"I'm sad. In a winnable match, I made many mistakes and I was worried about the service, which is otherwise my strong weapon"
"I come, but I did not expect ,that will soon end up here"
"and The season is still long, to atone for an early defeat here"
http://i51.tinypic.com/b3qsfa.gif"What does not kill you makes you stronger,"

TimeyWimey
Sep 5th, 2011, 02:06 AM
@bobbychin
Petra Kvitova cheered politely on side court bleachers as Czech Adam Pavlasek beat Luke Saville in the juniors event...



@FootFault_
Did he run over and give her a kiss after? RT @bobbychin: Petra Kvitova cheered politely on side court bleache… (cont)



@bobbychin
No, he was busy posing for pics with fans as she waited around outside the court. Didn't seem like many folks recognized her.


Adam has fans already?:lol:

bruce goose
Sep 5th, 2011, 02:10 AM
Adam has fans already?:lol:He probably got some residual support by being Petra's bf....at least amongst Czechs;)

Corswandt
Sep 5th, 2011, 02:24 PM
Post USO Exit Words from Petra to the Czech Press


http://www.tenisportal.cz/zpravy/komentatori-o-kvitove-tohle-neni-zraneni-tela-ale-hlavy-8666/

"I'm sad. In a winnable match, I made many mistakes and I was worried about the service, which is otherwise my strong weapon"
"I come, but I did not expect ,that will soon end up here"
"and The season is still long, to atone for an early defeat here"
http://i51.tinypic.com/b3qsfa.gif"What does not kill you makes you stronger,"

Too melodramatic, Petrikova Kvitoslavacek. This was sort of expected, and no big deal.

ArcticMoose
Aug 2nd, 2012, 05:41 PM
cosmoose please amend the thread title to reflect 2012 or make generic for USO Series please .. thanks.

bruce goose
Aug 2nd, 2012, 05:48 PM
cosmoose please amend the thread title to reflect 2012 or make generic for USO Series please .. thanks.Duhhhh...I know the mushrooms are kind of potent sometimes but,instead of waiting for Cosmoose to make one of his bi-annual visits to the forum,why not create your OWN 2012 USO thread....or,if you're in too much of a haze to type well,then I'll do it for you:p...just let me know

ArcticMoose
Aug 2nd, 2012, 06:01 PM
bruce, cosmoose had already created two!! threads on the USO series for 2011 - so we will end up with three if we create a new one adding to the clutter already created in this sub-forum with multiple threads for the same topic.... this sub-forum has a reputation of maintaining some resemblence of order ....so lets try to live up to our reputation :) considering Kvitty is not doing it currently....

bruce goose
Aug 2nd, 2012, 06:16 PM
As some of you have seen,Arctic Moose is on a 'trip' again...though he's not actually going anywhere,physically;).Rather than wait for Godot(i.e.,for Cosmoose to return six months from now:lol:),let's just start this new thread NOW.I'm pretty sure that even Moose and Paul will be able to notice the difference between the 2011 and 2012 threads by the length of the titles...even when they're not coherent enough to read the actual words:lol:

So here it is: Petra has shown us in flashes what she's capable of,so let's cheer her on towards a solid finish to 2012 that will inspire her to tinker a bit in the off-season so that she can more consistently perform at an elite level again:cool:

bruce goose
Aug 2nd, 2012, 06:48 PM
Something that many of you may have already known...but Petra has apparently received a WC for New Haven....some other Caro fans were worried about that,but they may have forgotten how badly Petra has struggled on U.S. courts:o

steni
Aug 2nd, 2012, 08:37 PM
Petra will be the second seed I guess?

18majors
Aug 2nd, 2012, 08:37 PM
My hunch is Petra will play really well at the USO series.

steni
Aug 2nd, 2012, 08:41 PM
My hunch is Petra will play really well at the USO series.

She better...

steni
Aug 2nd, 2012, 08:46 PM
Somebody know if she is gonna play in the Rogers Cup?

bruce goose
Aug 2nd, 2012, 09:31 PM
Petra will be the second seed I guess?That's how it looks for now...with Aga the #1 seed.Hypothetically,that could change if a slightly-lower-ranked player won Montreal and Cincinnati and earned tons of ranking points but,so far,Petra will be the #2 seed

bruce goose
Aug 2nd, 2012, 09:33 PM
Somebody know if she is gonna play in the Rogers Cup?She's currently on the entry list

18majors
Aug 2nd, 2012, 09:43 PM
She's currently on the entry list

Everybody with the exception of Serena is on the list. Montreal is worth more than OG (900 vs. 685).

bruce goose
Aug 2nd, 2012, 10:07 PM
Everybody with the exception of Serena is on the list. Montreal is worth more than OG (900 vs. 685).Yes,Majors,what I meant was,I can't guarantee that Petra will follow through and choose to play Montreal...just like I can't prove that Ana won't fire Sears if he asks her to spend less time on her romantic(sexual) getaways with whoever her bf-of-the-month is...and more time actually practicing,for once.

What aye DO know is that Petra is on the entry list and,apparently,she planned to play in Montreal originally,and that's all we have to go on until we hear otherwise;)

steni
Aug 2nd, 2012, 10:18 PM
I hope she plays, she needs to be in form for the US Open, and see if she can win it ( i wish).

bruce goose
Aug 2nd, 2012, 11:30 PM
I hope she plays, she needs to be in form for the US Open, and see if she can win it ( i wish).Well,alma dulce,she'll most likely need a little while before she finds that form on N.American hardcourts,and these tune-ups could certainly help with that

steni
Aug 3rd, 2012, 12:15 AM
Alma dulce? Really?

bruce goose
Aug 3rd, 2012, 12:37 AM
Alma dulce? Really?Yes,people who are self-critical are very rarely the worst of the worst:) and,as a Petra fan,you have great taste in tennis players:hug:

steni
Aug 3rd, 2012, 12:54 AM
Yes,people who are self-critical are very rarely the worst of the worst:) and,as a Petra fan,you have great taste in tennis players:hug:


Will you say the same thing if I tell you that I like Ivanovic as well?

mac47
Aug 3rd, 2012, 02:27 AM
I wish Petra would ditch the Steam racquet and go back to the BLX she was using in 2011.

I wish she would lose 30 pounds and get ripped.

I wish she would put another 10 mph on her serve.

Then I might have some hope for her on the North American hardcourts. But so far, this year has been very disappointing, despite being (on paper) respectable at the slams (semi, semi, quarters).

Barktra
Aug 3rd, 2012, 02:36 AM
Petra just needs to refocus and try her best for the US hard court swing. that is all she can do :sad:

steni
Aug 3rd, 2012, 03:28 AM
I wish Petra would ditch the Steam racquet and go back to the BLX she was using in 2011.

I wish she would lose 30 pounds and get ripped.

I wish she would put another 10 mph on her serve.

Then I might have some hope for her on the North American hardcourts. But so far, this year has been very disappointing, despite being (on paper) respectable at the slams (semi, semi, quarters).


you should send this to her or post it in her twitter!

bruce goose
Aug 3rd, 2012, 06:28 AM
Will you say the same thing if I tell you that I like Ivanovic as well?I know lots of nice,misguided people who are Ana fans,so join the club,Azucar Pompis:smooch:...just don't forget that Petra is the better player:cool:

Queen Petra Fan
Aug 3rd, 2012, 08:41 AM
As some of you have seen,Arctic Moose is on a 'trip' again...though he's not actually going anywhere,physically;).Rather than wait for Godot(i.e.,for Cosmoose to return six months from now:lol:),let's just start this new thread NOW.I'm pretty sure that even Moose and Paul will be able to notice the difference between the 2011 and 2012 threads by the length of the titles...even when they're not coherent enough to read the actual words:lol:

So here it is: Petra has shown us in flashes what she's capable of,so let's cheer her on towards a solid finish to 2012 that will inspire her to tinker a bit in the off-season so that she can more consistently perform at an elite level again:cool:


I love the new thread title Bruce, but I think I'm actually somewhere in the middle. :lol:

Meanwhile, these are some of the burning questions which will be answered in the coming weeks:

Will Petra snap out of her funk and actually win something this year?

Will Petra be able to breathe and perform in a respectable manner?

Will Kotyza and what's his name the trainer still have jobs by the end of the year?

We'll see . . .

:worship: Petra, please wake up by Fed Cup time! :worship:

paulmara
Aug 3rd, 2012, 09:35 AM
„I only know I will start on Wednesday (in Montreal)“
No Kotyza in Canada (and pre US open tour)

http://www.sport.cz/loh/tenis/clanek/431223-smutna-kvitova-jeste-ze-tenis-neni-jen-o-olympiade.html#hp-sez

Excelscior
Aug 3rd, 2012, 12:22 PM
If Petra does well with out Kotyza there, maybe somethings really is up. :oh:

Remember last year at Linz, where Petra won, after slumping when Kotyza wasn't present.

bruce goose
Aug 3rd, 2012, 04:58 PM
I love the new thread title Bruce, but I think I'm actually somewhere in the middle. :lol:

Meanwhile, these are some of the burning questions which will be answered in the coming weeks:

Will Petra snap out of her funk and actually win something this year?

Will Petra be able to breathe and perform in a respectable manner?

Will Kotyza and what's his name the trainer still have jobs by the end of the year?

We'll see . . .

:worship: Petra, please wake up by Fed Cup time! :worship:Thanks for the support,QPF;)!Moose is quite a nice fellow,but pride will delay his posting here for a little bit.He's probably afraid that he'll look like a hypocrite after panicking about Cosmoose's absence and insisting that he/she HAD to be the one to initiate the USO thread.We wouldn't ever hold that against him,though:angel:,and he'll eventually come here when he gets bored enough:lol:.

In case you haven't noticed,we've come up with a name for Petra's small-town,redneck doctor,and it's a direct Czech translation of 'Barney Fife'(even though we're taking doc and not deputy) :He is Dr.Bernard Pikola,and we're hoping that he does a good job treating Petra's asthma while she's in North America.:eek:

steni
Aug 4th, 2012, 02:27 AM
I know lots of nice,misguided people who are Ana fans,so join the club,Azucar Pompis:smooch:...just don't forget that Petra is the better player:cool:

Estaba bromeando;), sólo me gusta la Petrona y Serena(de nuevo), pero me tiene decepcionada, nos ha puesto en verguenza:(... pues muchos se rien de la pobre y ni argumentos hay para defenderla!

Y que es Azucar Pompis? Nalgas de Azúcar? Increíble jaja

bruce goose
Aug 4th, 2012, 05:30 AM
Estaba bromeando;), sólo me gusta la Petrona, pero me tiene decepcionada, nos ha puesto en verguenza:(... pues muchos se rien de la pobre y ni argumentos hay para defenderla!

Y que es Azucar Pompis? Nalgas de Azúcar? Increíble jajaSi,es mexicano para 'nalgas';),pero no es tan crudo en contexto,mas cerca de 'trasero'

Tienes razon a` cierto punto,pero aficion fiel no dura solo para los logros altos,y el fanatico espan~ol probablemente es asustado(o 'asustada' para un joto:p)del destino mal que Maria enfrentara versus la matadora de oficiales Williams:lol:

Aun Sampras lucho' despues de su primero campeonato grande,pues no seas tan estricta con Petra hasta ha fallada dos temporadas seguidas,okay mi joya costarricense:smooch:

bruce goose
Aug 4th, 2012, 05:38 AM
„I only know I will start on Wednesday (in Montreal)“
No Kotyza in Canada (and pre US open tour)

http://www.sport.cz/loh/tenis/clanek/431223-smutna-kvitova-jeste-ze-tenis-neni-jen-o-olympiade.html#hp-sezBasically,I encouraged Steni and am doing so now with you...trolls who lack the self-control to stay within their own forum don't have the wisdom to see that their humiliation is approaching...and inevitably get their come-uppance;)

It's nice to have you here as the thread wouldn't be the same without one of the Chief Mushroom Lords:lol:;Moose will make his way here by the time Petra is ready to play her next match....He's too big of a fan to not come around:angel:

Excelscior
Aug 4th, 2012, 03:08 PM
I'm sober (I think), but nonetheless I'll let off a little rant. :lol:

I think Petra really needs to get it together.

She's lazy, lackadaisical, doesn't seize the moment, takes things for granted, and seems like she plays when she feels like it this year. She's just not 100% committed to, and in every game she plays. It appears like she just picks and chooses, how hard she's going to play in a match.

She even admitted in the Peng match, that the Czech crowd lifted her spirits, and she would of PROBABLY LOST if it wasn't for them. My question is, why? This is the OLYMPICS. Petra's on her cherished Wimbledon (which may be a distant memory for Petra by now), playing on grass; her alleged best surface. The opponent Peng, wasn't playing lights out tennis. So why would you need the crowd to lift you Petra? Don't you get it?

I don't! :(

I know this may be a down year for her, and she can get better in the future. But when you look at her play last year, and compare it to this year, there's no comparison. It shows you how far she's fallen. No matter what her injuries or excuses were in that Kirilenko match (if any), Petra more than had her chances and missed a multiplicity of super easy, easy and not so easy SITTERS.

And watching Sharapova catch her upteenth beat down from Serena 6-0 6-1-which is what inspired this post, just makes remember/wish that it should of been Petra playing Serena and not the less talented (but almost always game) Sharapova.

SMH

steni
Aug 4th, 2012, 03:17 PM
I hope Petra is watching Serena's match right now... I have to admit that I was mad with Serena for beating Petra at Wimbledon but I have to admit that Serena is a truly superhero on court...

ArcticMoose
Aug 4th, 2012, 03:19 PM
Basically,I encouraged Steni and am doing so now with you...trolls who lack the self-control to stay within their own forum don't have the wisdom to see that their humiliation is approaching...and inevitably get their come-uppance;)

It's nice to have you here as the thread wouldn't be the same without one of the Chief Mushroom Lords:lol:;Moose will make his way here by the time Petra is ready to play her next match....He's too big of a fan to not come around:angel:

:lol: You know there is definitely more than 2 people who are partial to Mushrooms.... ok I am back - so stop hounding me....:lol:

Excelscior
Aug 4th, 2012, 05:12 PM
I hope Petra is watching Serena's match right now... I have to admit that I was mad with Serena for beating Petra at Wimbledon but I have to admit that Serena is a truly superhero on court...

Sometimes you gotta wonder if Petra ever feels left out, when she sees the likes of Azarenka and Sharapova (and even Radwanska or whichever other players) make these semi-finals?

Doesn't she feel like she's Part Of The Club (or at least used to be, and wants to get back in it)?

I don't think it burns/bothers Petra severely. And that's not always a bad thing (keeps you centered). However, I think Petra's relaxed attitude about most things tennis can also signal a lackadaisical approach that she takes into matches, which ultimately translates into losses.

Petra (at this time in her career) appears to lack the continuous self driven pride and professionalism that would make her the more consistent-great player that we all know she can be.

Who knows what would of happened if she would of beaten Kirilenko. But knowing Petra was shut out of a medal, and was just one rd away in the Kirilenko match (the "Coulda, Woulda, Shoulda" game), and she didn't make it, is just highly frustrating and disappointing.

This young lady has so much potential and a natural all around tennis game (to go along with all that power). I for one hopes that she will fulfill it, winning 6-11 majors, along with protracted high/elite level consistency, winning and confidence.

Petra needs a Martina Navratilova and/or Legend (Hingis) intervention, infusion and treatment. The patients now critical.

As usual; we'll see?

Petronius
Aug 4th, 2012, 05:13 PM
Some good news:

1. Petra's going to Canada without her coach and is determined to break the curse and start playing better in America :D

2. Lucie and Andrea have become one of the world's best doubles teams, which bodes well for Petra's chances to defend the Fed Cup title and win some trophy this year besides the underestimated Hopman Cup :)

3. One great Petra fan from the Big Apple will hopefully stop underestimating Serena Williams :oh:

Petronius
Aug 4th, 2012, 05:28 PM
Petra needs a Martina Navratilova and/or Legend (Hingis) intervention, infusion and treatment. The patients now critical.

I've always wondered why Navratilova is not more involved in coaching?

For example, Mandlikova failed to win Wimbledon herself and so she became the coach of Novotna, who went on to win it.

As for Hingis, she's now more Swiss than Czech (although she still speaks Czech frequently because of her mother) and she now works for the Paris-based Mouratoglou tennis academy.

However, "Hingis went on to say that the only player on today's circuit whose style she admires is Petra Kvitova, who won Wimbledon in 2011."

Excelscior
Aug 4th, 2012, 05:48 PM
I've always wondered why Navratilova is not more involved in coaching?

For example, Mandlikova failed to win Wimbledon herself and so she became the coach of Novotna, who went on to win it.

As for Hingis, she's now more Swiss than Czech (although she still speaks Czech frequently because of her mother) and she now works for the Paris-based Mouratoglou tennis academy.

However, "Hingis went on to say that the only player on today's circuit whose style she admires is Petra Kvitova, who won Wimbledon in 2011."

Navritalova is not more involved with Petra, cause Petra or her team doesn't reach out to her.

Martina has said repeatedly on Tennis Channel in America, "I dunno, she doesn't reach out to me", and how she'd love to speak or work with Petra more often. Of course Martina must have her limits as well, to show respect to Petra's current coach Kotyza (though she can always be a friend, advisor, and/or confidant). But as Martina says "the balls in Petra's court".

I listed Hingis, cause she's a big time Petra fan and supporter, with the Czech connection.

I didn't mention Novotna, cause I think Petra would learn LESS of the mental, fitness and overall preparation side from Novotna (who was a noted head case/choker), in comparison to the others.

Note (regarding Novotna vs the others):

I didn't mention tennis skills, cause you don't have to be a great player, to be a great coach. I was clearly speaking about the other facets, both on and off the court.

Petronius
Aug 4th, 2012, 06:26 PM
Navritalova is not more involved with Petra, cause Petra or her team doesn't reach out to her.

Martina has said repeatedly on Tennis Channel in America, "I dunno, she doesn't reach out to me", and how she'd love to speak or work with Petra more often. Of course Martina must have her limits as well, to show respect to Petra's current coach Kotyza (though she can always be a friend, advisor, and/or confidant). But as Martina says "the balls in Petra's court".

It's similar with Ivan Lendl. They meet occasionally at grand slams and he probably tells her a thing or two - e.g. they watched together Adam's semi in Melbourne - but there's a distance out of respect for Petra's coach and because of Lendl's own obligations to Andy Murray.

But it's still great for her to receive occasionally some advice from past champions from the same country. Hope this continues.

BTW, for those who want Petra to get rid of Kotyza, Djokovic was considering firing his coach Marian Vajda because of failing to win the second slam for THREE YEARS, but persisted and the patience paid off.

Excelscior
Aug 4th, 2012, 07:08 PM
It's similar with Ivan Lendl. They meet occasionally at grand slams and he probably tells her a thing or two - e.g. they watched together Adam's semi in Melbourne - but there's a distance out of respect for Petra's coach and because of Lendl's own obligations to Andy Murray.

But it's still great for her to receive occasionally some advice from past champions from the same country. Hope this continues.

BTW, for those who want Petra to get rid of Kotyza, Djokovic was considering firing his coach Marian Vajda because of failing to win the second slam for THREE YEARS, but persisted and the patience paid off.

Good overall Post.

And FYI: Just so you know, when I said "intervention", I didn't mean replacement of Petra's current team (like some others).

I just think Petra could stand to learn more of the mental, professional, preparatory, dealing with expectations, etc., aspects of a top ranked player.

Martina doesn't need to be her coach for that. I think Koytza's a good coach. And he teaches Petra the finer aspects of the game well. However, I'm not sure he teaches her some basic aspects of the game well, at this stage (or if it has the impact-even if he did, with Petra, at the moment).

Petra needs to hear from someone who's credentials are undeniable (the same way Darren Cahill felt that Murray needed Lendl), that she highly respects, so she could learn some of professional lessons, practices & approaches now, instead of 1-4 yrs from now, if/ when she matures?

It's that or a combo teacher-disciplinarian coach (the later Petra allegedly doesn't work well with).

Petra needs a HEAD Coach, literally!! :help: :oh: :help:

pov
Aug 4th, 2012, 07:10 PM
I just think Petra could stand to learn more of the mental, professional, preparatory, dealing with expectations, etc., aspects of a top ranked player.

I agree. On the other hand - couldn't that be said about many players? There's at least half-a-dozen players who have game enough for the top-5 but don't have the other attributes needed to stay there. I wonder how much can be learned and how much has to come from within.

Petronius
Aug 4th, 2012, 07:15 PM
Petra needs to hear from someone who's credentials are undeniable (the same way Darren Cahill felt that Murray needed Lendl), that she highly respects, so she could learn some of professional lessons, practices & approaches now, instead of 1-4 yrs from now, if/ when she matures

Petra needs a HEAD Coach, literally!! :help: :oh: :help:

Great point. However, who should be a candidate? There's a shortage of these people. Almost all female players are coached by males.

My personal pick would definitely be the guy standing here between Lendl and Kodes (they all look terrible in these outfits BTW :lol:). He helped Steffi win ten slams, including the Golden Slam in 1988 and has coached other well-known female players like Capriati, Kournikova or Maleeva. He's based in Florida and speaks perfect Czech.

http://i.idnes.cz/09/112/gal/BUR2f0df4_p200911110402901.jpg

On top of that, he charges just $75 per hour, as opposed to Nick Greedetieri, who rakes in $700 per hour without even picking up his racquet :lol:

Excelscior
Aug 4th, 2012, 07:18 PM
I agree. On the other hand - couldn't that be said about many players? There's at least half-a-dozen players who have game enough for the top-5 but don't have the other attributes needed to stay there. I wonder how much can be learned and how much has to come from within.

Well Martina herself is the perfect example (I know we're talking about a super all time great here).

Martina talks about, not only being overweight, but she mentions that her mental approach, reactions, consistency and overall preparation for her matches were much worse earlier in her career (which is why Chris Evert kicked her ass up and down in the first half of their matches).

However, once she did learn to fight, hang in matches, have more consistent results, improve her fitness and adapt her game better, she became an all time great (and subsequently, kicked Chris Evert's Ass up and down the world).

Note: Martina made these comments about her own improvements, when addressing Petra, "and what she needs to do to fulfill her own potential".

And Martina is just as high on Petra's Multi Grand Slam, overall potential, and innate tennis gifts as we are.

Excelscior
Aug 4th, 2012, 07:47 PM
Great point. However, who should be a candidate? There's a shortage of these people. Almost all female players are coached by males.

My personal pick would definitely be the guy standing here between Lendl and Kodes (they all look terrible in these outfits BTW :lol:). He helped Steffi win ten slams, including the Golden Slam in 1988 and has coached other well-known female players like Capriati, Kournikova or Maleeva. He's based in Florida and speaks perfect Czech.

http://i.idnes.cz/09/112/gal/BUR2f0df4_p200911110402901.jpg

On top of that, he charges just $75 per hour, as opposed to Nick Greedetieri, who rakes in $700 per hour without even picking up his racquet :lol:

Great choice.

Note: HEAD Coach, was more a joke (cause we know Petra needs some adjustment, etc., up in the head). :lol:

However, since you gave a literal example (unless he would of been a confidant), it could be either a tactical, hands on coach (as you're proposal), or someone from a distance that's the ultimate executive in charge or just a confidant. Either way (with the latter), Kotyza stays. And yes, it could be a man or woman.

Like I said, at this stage, Petra just needs someone that can teach her better/more consistent professionalism, pride, fighting spirit, and execution. Cause I do think Kotyza teaches Petra the tennis aspects well, but she doesn't react well, to the game approaches (both in and out of the court) it seems.

That's what's hurting her. She already has so many of shots. How else do you explain the difference between the Flavia/Makiri match, and Petra's desire, anticipation-movement, shotmaking, ROS, Serve, against a similar player (who ultimately can't hurt her)? Why would the Czech crowd lift her spirits vs Peng?

It's the FREAKIN OLYMPICS Petra, and you're playing for your country (which she normally plays well for, but even this time her initial effort out the box was unimpressive). Probably cause she didn't have any teammates with her, to remind her it was a team/International event. :lol:

PS: Not the most flattering photos, of Petra's next/possible hero/Saviour. :oh:

Petronius
Aug 4th, 2012, 09:33 PM
How else do you explain the difference between the Flavia/Makiri match, and Petra's desire, anticipation-movement, shotmaking, ROS, Serve, against a similar player (who ultimately can't hurt her)?

The explanation may be simple, the match was played on a different court under different conditions. She herself said that the grass there was terrible (basically no grass at all), which changed the ball bounce considerably. Maybe that's why she missed so many easy shots and hit so many returns 3 metres out.

PS: Not the most flattering photos, of Petra's next/possible hero/Saviour. :oh:

Totally agree. There are actually only a few pics of him on the Internet. He said himself that he has just a handful of photos with Graf, because everything was kept very private and confidential. Maybe Steffi's dad had bad experience with German tabloids.

18majors
Aug 5th, 2012, 12:17 AM
The explanation may be simple, the match was played on a different court under different conditions. She herself said that the grass there was terrible (basically no grass at all), which changed the ball bounce considerably. Maybe that's why she missed so many easy shots and hit so many returns 3 metres out.



Totally agree. There are actually only a few pics of him on the Internet. He said himself that he has just a handful of photos with Graf, because everything was kept very private and confidential. Maybe Steffi's dad had bad experience with German tabloids.

The 2012 grass season is finally over; unfortunately, neither Petra nor Maria distinguished themselves this season.

On the positive side, I'm confident that both Petra and Maria will channel their disappointments into stronger and better US Open hardcourt seasons.

steni
Aug 5th, 2012, 12:54 AM
The explanation may be simple, the match was played on a different court under different conditions. She herself said that the grass there was terrible (basically no grass at all), which changed the ball bounce considerably. Maybe that's why she missed so many easy shots and hit so many returns 3 metres out.



Totally agree. There are actually only a few pics of him on the Internet. He said himself that he has just a handful of photos with Graf, because everything was kept very private and confidential. Maybe Steffi's dad had bad experience with German tabloids.

Ugh that court was disgusting, Petra was treated as a nobody by the organization in this f*** Olympic games, she didn't get to play a match on CC, awful. Zero respect for a former Wimbledon Champion.

Excelscior
Aug 5th, 2012, 05:30 AM
The explanation may be simple, the match was played on a different court under different conditions. She herself said that the grass there was terrible (basically no grass at all), which changed the ball bounce considerably. Maybe that's why she missed so many easy shots and hit so many returns 3 metres out.

I think the Statute Of Limitations on Petra Kvitova excuses for 2012 must have expired by now? :help: :oh: :help:

And because of it, along with the fact that Petra should of adjusted during the match, and had so many frequent sitter opportunities, I can't empathize on this one. Sorry.

Victory was well within her grasp (even on an alleged choppy court). What does that say about Petra then? I understand Petra hit's harder with more timing that can be affected, but Makiri never played on Court 2 at the Olympics preceding Petra either.

The court issue may be both true and unfortunate, nonetheless I can't sign off on this one. No!

It was just so embarrassing and strange to see the proper names of Williams, Sharapova and Azarenka, blighted by the name of mediocre party crasher Kirilenko as one of the 4 semifinalist (and of course she went out like a Lamb to slaughter).

The sight of it/her, really boggled the mind indeed.

Ironically, despite their bronze and silver finishes, both Sharapova and Azarenka seemed almost as happy on the Olympic podium as Serena Williams (who won Gold), when they received their medals. We all know why! They never experienced that before. "Shoot/Dang/Duh" it was the Olympics! :lol:

Now where was Petra Kvitova? She didn't even give herself a chance of advancing to the final, or playing for the Bronze medal as the semi final loser. Just say it to yourself again, "Kirilenko!" SMH

Man! What a special missed opportunity. :( :sad: :(

bruce goose
Aug 5th, 2012, 05:34 AM
:lol: You know there is definitely more than 2 people who are partial to Mushrooms.... ok I am back - so stop hounding me....:lol:Don't worry;some dildo-mouthed mod combined the threads so that you wouldn't get confused,and now my apparently-disapproved title has been deleted so that no one would feel guilty over possible implications,I guess.As long as Petra plays well this season I won't fret at all over the thread title here in her forum.....just don't go into a whiny fit next year while waiting for a poster who checks in once every three months or so:silly:

Petronius
Aug 5th, 2012, 01:09 PM
I think the Statute Of Limitations on Petra Kvitova excuses for 2012 must have expired by now? :help: :oh: :help:

And because of it, along with the fact that Petra should of adjusted during the match, and had so many frequent sitter opportunities, I can't empathize on this one. Sorry.

Victory was well within her grasp (even on an alleged choppy court). What does that say about Petra then? I understand Petra hit's harder with more timing that can be affected, but Makiri never played on Court 2 at the Olympics preceding Petra either.

The court issue may be both true and unfortunate, nonetheless I can't sign off on this one. No!

It was just so embarrassing and strange to see the proper names of Williams, Sharapova and Azarenka, blighted by the name of mediocre party crasher Kirilenko as one of the 4 semifinalist (and of course she went out like a Lamb to slaughter).

The sight of it/her, really boggled the mind indeed.

Ironically, despite their bronze and silver finishes, both Sharapova and Azarenka seemed almost as happy on the Olympic podium as Serena Williams (who won Gold), when they received their medals. We all know why! They never experienced that before. "Shoot/Dang/Duh" it was the Olympics! :lol:

Now where was Petra Kvitova? She didn't even give herself a chance of advancing to the final, or playing for the Bronze medal as the semi final loser. Just say it to yourself again, "Kirilenko!" SMH

Man! What a special missed opportunity. :( :sad: :(

Agreed, but once in a long time even a player like Kirilenko can play a flawless match. The Russian committed just one unforced error and it was enough to eliminate an erratic big hitter. C'est la vie.

As for the surface excuse, Nadal and Djokovic did the same in Madrid, while Federer didn't complain and won the title. Different players, different attitude.

Let's hope Petra will improve in this area and follow Federer's example.

Excelscior
Aug 5th, 2012, 02:42 PM
Agreed, but once in a long time even a player like Kirilenko can play a flawless match. The Russian committed just one unforced error and it was enough to eliminate an erratic big hitter. C'est la vie.

As for the surface excuse, Nadal and Djokovic did the same in Madrid, while Federer didn't complain and won the title. Different players, different attitude.

Let's hope Petra will improve in this area and follow Federer's example.

Sorry Petronius, I'm not buying it with Kirilenko.

She played well, but I wasn't that impressed. She was eminently beatable, and Petra had a boatload of chances she flubbed over and over again. There's a reason why she beat both Georges and Kvitova in close matches, but got smoked by Sharapova. And Sharapova, hasn't been a great grass court player this year either. So please don't tell me how great Sharapova is.

One unforced error, just means that Kirilenko was playing very carefully. It's not like she was blasting the ball, with out UE's. That would of been truly impressive. Petra was too predictable in her play patterns and errors, so not placing the proper pressure on Kirilenko to create doubt/mistakes.

Yes, Kirilenko played well. I'm not going to say she didn't. But she certainly didn't play exceptional; one UE or not. Petra still controlled and dictated the match, and it seemed during most of it, Kirilenko was just hanging on for dear life, while Petra was having easy service holds, while blowing easy sitter and ROS opportunities all match.

The surface excuse with Nadal and Djokovic don't wash either. Remember, a skidding low bounce court suits Federer more than it does Nadal and Djokovic. Plus they lost to better players (I know Djokovic lost to Tipsaravic on a great serving day). They're excused. Petra lost to someone on grass, with no weapons, that can't hurt her. They didn't. Not the same! Using Kirilenko's one UE as an example of her excellent play would make more sense (if it ever was going to) on a slow hard court, which Petra had easily beaten Kirilenko 2 in a row mind you, than on faster, lower bouncing grass. I mean when has Wozniaki ever been credited for playing great by just having a low UE count? :shrug:

I understand you or Petra are claiming the court was damaged. However, it was still grass, Petra's best alleged surface. You think GRASS is Kirilenko's preferred surface? Come on now. A lot of Top Players, played dangerous players on Court 2 (male and female) all Olympics, and didn't get upset. But Petra did (and especially the way she did).

As far as Petra complaining; she can say what ever she wants. But you repeated it here (with out caveats) as a reason to justify or excuse her for all the easy flubs, lack of anticipation, laziness, over hitting, and repeated bonehead action Petra displayed in the Kirilenko match. No one else did.

I would of never known this bad court excuse reason, if I didn't hear it from you Petronius.

Keep in mind; I'm not knocking Petra (or you/you're reason for that matter) cause she lost. People lose. And I've excused or accepted Petra losses for a variety of reasons many times in the past. However, there's no excuse for this one. Petra was average/mediocre. She certainly wasn't terrible most match. Granted she wasn't excellent either. But she still had numerous chances to get ahead on, or break Kirilenko's serve (and save her own late in the third set), and Petra found every imaginable way and shot to screw it up repeatedly on the most innocuous (at least we thought so at the time) and important points. That's it!

Relatively speaking, she was a disaster over and over again, in both little and big instances during that match. And despite all this, I'm sure plenty fans, still expected Petra to pull it out, cause of the clearly weaker opponent, holding on for dear life.

I could buy the bad bounce/court routine if Petra was just abysmal and didn't compete. That would make sense; at least to me. However, that wasn't the case. Petra more than competed, and should of won. She was that close, while in the Olympics at Wimbledon, against that opponent!? No excuses.

Oh my god. Sorry for the long post. :eek: I had no idea it was so long. I think it read well though. :lol:

ArcticMoose
Aug 5th, 2012, 03:18 PM
Good overall Post.

And FYI: Just so you know, when I said "intervention", I didn't mean replacement of Petra's current team (like some others).

I just think Petra could stand to learn more of the mental, professional, preparatory, dealing with expectations, etc., aspects of a top ranked player.

Martina doesn't need to be her coach for that. I think Koytza's a good coach. And he teaches Petra the finer aspects of the game well. However, I'm not sure he teaches her some basic aspects of the game well, at this stage (or if it has the impact-even if he did, with Petra, at the moment).

Petra needs to hear from someone who's credentials are undeniable (the same way Darren Cahill felt that Murray needed Lendl), that she highly respects, so she could learn some of professional lessons, practices & approaches now, instead of 1-4 yrs from now, if/ when she matures?

It's that or a combo teacher-disciplinarian coach (the later Petra allegedly doesn't work well with).

Petra needs a HEAD Coach, literally!! :help: :oh: :help:

I've always wondered why Navratilova is not more involved in coaching?

For example, Mandlikova failed to win Wimbledon herself and so she became the coach of Novotna, who went on to win it.

As for Hingis, she's now more Swiss than Czech (although she still speaks Czech frequently because of her mother) and she now works for the Paris-based Mouratoglou tennis academy.

However, "Hingis went on to say that the only player on today's circuit whose style she admires is Petra Kvitova, who won Wimbledon in 2011."
It's similar with Ivan Lendl. They meet occasionally at grand slams and he probably tells her a thing or two - e.g. they watched together Adam's semi in Melbourne - but there's a distance out of respect for Petra's coach and because of Lendl's own obligations to Andy Murray.

But it's still great for her to receive occasionally some advice from past champions from the same country. Hope this continues.

BTW, for those who want Petra to get rid of Kotyza, Djokovic was considering firing his coach Marian Vajda because of failing to win the second slam for THREE YEARS, but persisted and the patience paid off.

There are two options – (1) replace the entire team by bringing in new replacements & flushing out Kotyza & Ivanko or (2) Kotyza & Ivanko have a diminished role each but additional consultants/specialists brought in such as nutritionist, sports psychologist, Movement/footwork specialist, Serve&ROS specialist & Possibly a game/match strategist as well. Kotyza can double up as her hitting partner & help her with her net & volleying skill improvement & Ivanko can also double up as her trainer & physio if she wants to retain Kotyza & Ivanko in the fold but the Overall team needs to increase & should be managed tightly by either Miroslav Cernosek or Jeri (Petra’s Father) or even by someone like Petr Pala.

Kotyza & Ivanko have continually screwed up on strategy – there are too many to even mention & hence why she needs a consultant on strategy just like how Serena employed Patrick Mouratoglou to help her back to the top after her long layoff due to health issues.

So on the positive (Lets give credit where it’s due), one of the issues that was raised after her Wimbledon Slam win has been addressed in 2012 with Katie Spellman (Ex WTA) being appointed as her Media Manager (Katie now runs her own media/PR boutique company. Petra's English language skills have noticeably improved and so does her media interviewing skills. She has a higher profile in the media & also her Facebook Website has become slicker & Petra is also engaging her fanbase globaly via twitter. She now has a wide following out side the Czech Republic. So tick in the box on the Media side.

It is all about bringing in specialists to give her marginal gains & that combined with her talent & innate ability and pre-disposition will make her the muti-slam dominant force that she could be ….

Excelscior
Aug 5th, 2012, 04:27 PM
There are two options – (1) replace the entire team by bringing in new replacements & flushing out Kotyza & Ivanko or (2) Kotyza & Ivanko have a diminished role each but additional consultants/specialists brought in such as nutritionist, sports psychologist, Movement/footwork specialist, Serve&ROS specialist & Possibly a game/match strategist as well. Kotyza can double up as her hitting partner & help her with her net & volleying skill improvement & Ivanko can also double up as her trainer & physio if she wants to retain Kotyza & Ivanko in the fold but the Overall team needs to increase & should be managed tightly by either Miroslav Cernosek or Jeri (Petra’s Father) or even by someone like Petr Pala.

Kotyza & Ivanko have continually screwed up on strategy – there are two many to even mention & hence why she needs a consultant on strategy just like how Serena employed Patrick Mouratoglou to help her back to the top after her long layoff due to health issues.

So on the positive (Lets give credit where it’s due), one of the issues that was raised after her Wimbledon Slam win has been addressed in 2012 with Katie Spellman (Ex WTA) being appointed as her Media Manager (Katie now runs her own media/PR boutique company. Petra's English language skills have noticeably improved and so does her media interviewing skills. She has a higher profile in the media & also her Facebook Website has become slicker & Petra is also engaging her fanbase globaly via twitter. She now has a wide following out side the Czech Republic. So tick in the box on the Media side.

It is all about bringing in specialists to give her marginal gains & that combined with her talent & innate ability and pre-disposition will make her the muti-slam dominant force that she could be ….

Thanks Moose.

Good overall points; with a few points of my own:

1) Petra already has a Sports Psychologist. And I'm sure she has a nutritionist (unless Ivanko does that), as just two examples. As far as the serve and other aspects you mentioned, Petra has improved greatly the past few years in those areas. So let's give it one more year to see if Petra needs outside help to take it to the next level.

2) That leads to me saying, Koytza and team should be given at least another year. You can't fire someone after such a great year Petra had in 2011, just cause the player had a bad year in 2012. With all the mistakes you felt they did this year Moose, they still deserve more time with her.

We also have to remember Kvitova had a lot of ailments and injuries through out the year (which you can certainly attribute one/some of them to Kotyza). Yes I do. And those ailments/injuries really had a domino effect on her year and screwed it up. I would agree 100% on that as well. But we still have to give them an opportunity to learn from their mistakes. Would you like your job to fire under the same circumstances? Think about it? And remember this is sports.

3) Which leads me to say, I don't think Kvitova loss to Kirilenko cause of her coaching. That was all Petra. The match was in her hand. People play bad matches, and have bad days on bad surfaces; while their opponents can play over their head, and still win anyway. Top 6 players win those matches. Petra certainly had her chances, while still being in control of the match.

Now I know you agree with that, which is the reason you wrote your post. But I think a lot of this has to do with Petra, herself. This is why I mentioned having someone who can give her Top player advice (A Executive in charge, New Coach, Confidant, etc.).

Did anyone complain about Petra's movement, serving, fitness, etc., last year in 2011, when she was winning all those titles? No! Sometimes the responsibility has to go to the player as well (or maybe just fate).

Now I do agree with you, that someone from the outside can unlock these mysteries sooner than later out of Petra/ Yeah I do. Cause obviously Kotyza and Ivanko have not so far this year. I'll give you that!

Petra needs to find her confidence/Mojo again!!

4) This leads to the fact that, Petra is going through her adaptation of her first truly big year as a top flight player. It happens all the time, after a first big year; even with great players. And Petra may learn to adjust many of the things we're discussing, 1-4 years from now.

The question is, "will it be only 1 more year?". And if not, what do you do, and/or how long do you wait? And who do you get rid of, or add to the team in the process? That's what we're/you're discussing. Right?

I'm NOT feeling a 3-4 yr plan either by the way. :lol:

However, as Petronius pointed out earlier, Novak Djokovic waited 3yrs before he fulfilled his potential, after his first big Grand Slam win several years ago. And he kept his same team, though I'm sure they were severely criticized by many of his fans at home and abroad. But look at him now. Even with a "off year" this year in comparison, he picked up another slam this year. Look at how Federer's results with Paul Annacone are finally paying off (note: I have no idea what happened between Murray and Federer. So don't throw that in my face if Fed loses)? :lol:

So it's not always that clear cut. This is why I think the Life Coach/Confidant/Consultant, etc.) would probably be the best way to go at the moment (before we go the Head Coach, Executive in charge/reduced role or Termination route). At least she should go this route, until future notice and/or shown otherwise. We'll see?

Thanks again for your post Moose.

ArcticMoose
Aug 5th, 2012, 04:59 PM
Thanks Moose.

Good overall points; with a few points of my own:

1) Petra already has a Sports Psychologist. And I'm sure she has a nutritionist (unless Ivanko does that), as just two examples. As far as the serve and other aspects you mentioned, Petra has improved greatly the past few years in those areas. So let's give it one more year to see if Petra needs outside help to take it to the next level.

2) That leads to me saying, Koytza and team should be given at least another year. You can't fire someone after such a great year Petra had in 2011, just cause the player had a bad year in 2012. With all the mistakes you felt they did this year Moose, they still deserve more time with her.

We also have to remember Kvitova had a lot of ailments and injuries through out the year (which you can certainly attribute one/some of them to Kotyza). Yes I do. And those ailments/injuries really had a domino effect on her year and screwed it up. I would agree 100% on that as well. But we still have to give them an opportunity to learn from their mistakes. Would you like your job to fire under the same circumstances? Think about it? And remember this is sports.

3) Which leads me to say, I don't think Kvitova loss to Kirilenko cause of her coaching. That was all Petra. The match was in her hand. People play bad matches, and have bad days on bad surfaces; while their opponents can play over their head, and still win anyway. Top 6 players win those matches. Petra certainly had her chances, while still being in control of the match.

Now I know you agree with that, which is the reason you wrote your post. But I think a lot of this has to do with Petra, herself. This is why I mentioned having someone who can give her Top player advice (A Executive in charge, New Coach, Confidant, etc.).

Did anyone complain about Petra's movement, serving, fitness, etc., last year in 2011, when she was winning all those titles? No! Sometimes the responsibility has to go to the player as well (or maybe just fate).

Now I do agree with you, that someone from the outside can unlock these mysteries sooner than later out of Petra/ Yeah I do. Cause obviously Kotyza and Ivanko have not so far this year. I'll give you that!

Petra needs to find her confidence/Mojo again!!

4) This leads to the fact that, Petra is going through her adaptation of her first truly big year as a top flight player. It happens all the time, after a first big year; even with great players. And Petra may learn to adjust many of the things we're discussing, 1-4 years from now.

The question is, "will it be only 1 more year?". And if not, what do you do, and/or how long do you wait? And who do you get rid of, or add to the team in the process? That's what we're/you're discussing. Right?

I'm feeling a 3-4 yr plan either by the way. :lol:

However, as Petronius pointed out earlier, Novak Djokovic waited 3yrs before he fulfilled his potential, after his first big Grand Slam win several years ago. And he kept his same team, though I'm sure they were severely criticized by many of his fans at home and abroad. But look at him now. Even with a "off year" this year in comparison, he picked up another slam this year. Look at how Federer's results with Paul Annacone are finally paying off (note: I have no idea what happened between Murray and Federer. So don't throw that in my face if Fed loses)? :lol:

So it's not always that clear cut. This is why I think the Life Coach/Confidant/Consultant, etc.) would probably be the best way to go at the moment (before we go the Head Coach, Executive in charge/reduced role or Termination route). At least she should go this route, until future notice and/or shown otherwise. We'll see?

Thanks again for your post Moose.
Ex, Yes I am big on performance & delivery. I am used to 4 quarters to peform or you are fired culture and I am very comfortable with it. I 1st learned the brutal regime of accountability & performance when working in the USA after graduation and I am thankful I learned it very early on in my career rather than later and it has served me well. I am very used to 5% of the workforce being routinely fired at the end of the year for poor performance. So what I don’t buy into is that Kotyza & Ivanko should be retained & given more time to deliver. What should be kept in mind is that there is a world out there with skills & talent that could replace Kotyza & Ivanko at a stroke – Yes, the player is responsible for execution on the court but the player alone cannot account for all the poor performance : no one should be indispensible but the player in sport such as Tennis.

Excelscior
Aug 5th, 2012, 06:36 PM
Ex, Yes I am big on performance & delivery. I am used to 4 quarters to peform or you are fired culture and I am very comfortable with it. I 1st learned the brutal regime of accountability & performance when working in the USA after graduation and I am thankful I learned it very early on in my career rather than later and it has served me well. I am very used to 5% of the workforce being routinely fired at the end of the year for poor performance. So what I don’t buy into is that Kotyza & Ivanko should be retained & given more time to deliver. What should be kept in mind is that there is a world out there with skills & talent that could replace Kotyza & Ivanko at a stroke – Yes, the player is responsible for execution on the court but the player alone cannot account for all the poor performance : no one should be indispensible but the player in sport such as Tennis.

OK, fair enough (though I'm sure others may have something to say). :lol:

PS: I meant to say earlier "I'm NOT feeling a 3-4 year plan, by the way". :lol: I corrected it.

Petronius
Aug 5th, 2012, 06:46 PM
Ex, Yes I am big on performance & delivery. I am used to 4 quarters to peform or you are fired culture and I am very comfortable with it. I 1st learned the brutal regime of accountability & performance when working in the USA after graduation and I am thankful I learned it very early on in my career rather than later and it has served me well. I am very used to 5% of the workforce being routinely fired at the end of the year for poor performance. So what I don’t buy into is that Kotyza & Ivanko should be retained & given more time to deliver. What should be kept in mind is that there is a world out there with skills & talent that could replace Kotyza & Ivanko at a stroke – Yes, the player is responsible for execution on the court but the player alone cannot account for all the poor performance : no one should be indispensible but the player in sport such as Tennis.

Any ideas, names or suggestions who should replace the current two coaches? :cool:

steni
Aug 5th, 2012, 07:05 PM
I think the Statute Of Limitations on Petra Kvitova excuses for 2012 must have expired by now? :help: :oh: :help:

And because of it, along with the fact that Petra should of adjusted during the match, and had so many frequent sitter opportunities, I can't empathize on this one. Sorry.

Victory was well within her grasp (even on an alleged choppy court). What does that say about Petra then? I understand Petra hit's harder with more timing that can be affected, but Makiri never played on Court 2 at the Olympics preceding Petra either.

The court issue may be both true and unfortunate, nonetheless I can't sign off on this one. No!

It was just so embarrassing and strange to see the proper names of Williams, Sharapova and Azarenka, blighted by the name of mediocre party crasher Kirilenko as one of the 4 semifinalist (and of course she went out like a Lamb to slaughter).

The sight of it/her, really boggled the mind indeed.

Ironically, despite their bronze and silver finishes, both Sharapova and Azarenka seemed almost as happy on the Olympic podium as Serena Williams (who won Gold), when they received their medals. We all know why! They never experienced that before. "Shoot/Dang/Duh" it was the Olympics! :lol:

Now where was Petra Kvitova? She didn't even give herself a chance of advancing to the final, or playing for the Bronze medal as the semi final loser. Just say it to yourself again, "Kirilenko!" SMH

Man! What a special missed opportunity. :( :sad: :(

Even kirilenko won a medal after all. Petra is the biggest loser in this Olympics! I hope this failure doesn't affect her mentality for the rest of the season!

Excelscior
Aug 5th, 2012, 07:52 PM
Even kirilenko won a medal after all. Petra is the biggest loser in this Olympics! I hope this failure doesn't affect her mentality for the rest of the season!

Yup Yup. :eek:

And Azarenka picked up a gold in mixed doubles today, while some of Petra's Czech teammates will pick up Silver as well. So congrats Venus and Serena on the gold.

Go Figure with Azarenka. Usually the team with the best male wins. :confused:

I guess Murray was too much on cloud 9 to realize he was playing in a match, especially after he and Robson won the first set.

And yes, I did finally find out who won the Murray vs Fed match. :lol:

paulmara
Aug 5th, 2012, 08:09 PM
Petra Kvitova ‏@Petra_Kvitova 11h
Was home for two days, now leaving for Montreal. Good luck to the Czech girls today and congratulations to Serena for gold. She is amazing

ArcticMoose
Aug 5th, 2012, 08:13 PM
Any ideas, names or suggestions who should replace the current two coaches? :cool:
Paul Annacone to work with Petra on her serve & ROS (he has previously worked with Sampras & Federer)

Wim Frissette to work with Petra on her volleying, net skills, baseline skills & general all court play imrovement including percentage play and hitting Partner (Frissette used to work with Clijsters at one point)

Pavel Složil to work on game/match & tournament strategy and take over all responsibility for management of the ‘team Petra’ if Petra’s father does not want to step in & take charge. He is Czech so can converse with Petra, Jiri & Cernosek in Czech( He use to work with Graf & Capriati & is in his late 50’s so should bring stability & calmness to the whole Team Kvitty Operation.

Gebhard Phil-Gritsch, Thomas Muster's former trainer & works with Novak Djokovic' as a consultant trainer to advise on fitness, nutrition & movement but leave the footwork to either Wim Frissette or Paul Annacone to deal with. I can see a place for Ivanko carrying out the regime that Phil-Grits sets put for Petra if he can’t travel much with Petra.

In terms of sports psychologists – ideally from a specialist who works in motor sport where you encounter pressure, thinking on the fly, setbacks, endurance but still is pretty much an individual sport.

steni
Aug 5th, 2012, 08:14 PM
Yup Yup. :eek:

And Azarenka picked up a gold in mixed doubles today, while some of Petra's Czech teammates will pick up Silver as well. So congrats Venus and Serena on the gold.

Go Figure with Azarenka. Usually the team with the best male wins. :confused:

I guess Murray was too much on cloud 9 to realize he was playing in a match, especially after he and Robson won the first set.

And yes, I did finally find out who won the Murray vs Fed match. :lol:

Azarenka was fine I think, but Robson ugh...

bruce goose
Aug 6th, 2012, 12:14 AM
Paul Annacone to work with Petra on her serve & ROS (he has previously worked with Sampras & Federer)

Wim Frissette to work with Petra on her volleying, net skills, baseline skills & general all court play imrovement including percentage play and hitting Partner (Frissette used to work with Clijsters at one point)

Pavel Složil to work on game/match & tournament strategy and take over all responsibility for management of the ‘team Petra’ if Petra’s father does not want to step in & take charge. He is Czech so can converse with Petra, Jiri & Cernosek in Czech( He use to work with Graf & Capriati & is in his late 50’s so should bring stability & calmness to the whole Team Kvitty Operation.

Gebhard Phil-Gritsch, Thomas Muster's former trainer & works with Novak Djokovic' as a consultant trainer to advise on fitness, nutrition & movement but leave the footwork to either Wim Frissette or Paul Annacone to deal with. I can see a place for Ivanko carrying out the regime that Phil-Grits sets put for Petra if he can’t travel much with Petra.

In terms of sports psychologists – ideally from a specialist who works in motor sport where you encounter pressure, thinking on the fly, setbacks, endurance but still is pretty much an individual sport.Hate to interrupt such a brilliant train of thought,but Cosmoose awoke from his/her 6 months of hibernation and started ANOTHER thread for the USO on top of this one.So what now??Are you gonna gripe and whine to the mods some more or are you going to contact Petra herself to serve as an arbitrator on how we can make thread titles less confusing to mushroom-smoking posters:lol:?

ArcticMoose
Aug 6th, 2012, 08:35 AM
Hate to interrupt such a brilliant train of thought,but Cosmoose awoke from his/her 6 months of hibernation and started ANOTHER thread for the USO on top of this one.So what now??Are you gonna gripe and whine to the mods some more or are you going to contact Petra herself to serve as an arbitrator on how we can make thread titles less confusing to mushroom-smoking posters:lol:?
Yes, it’s all a mess bruce, we are where we are and common sense would indicate that we continue on the current track as the train has left the station :) yes even to the hazed & fazed mushroom smoking fans, multiples of threads on the same topic does kinda say too much confusion for no reason!:lol:

„I only know I will start on Wednesday (in Montreal)“
No Kotyza in Canada (and pre US open tour)

http://www.sport.cz/loh/tenis/clanek/431223-smutna-kvitova-jeste-ze-tenis-neni-jen-o-olympiade.html#hp-sez (http://www.sport.cz/loh/tenis/clanek/431223-smutna-kvitova-jeste-ze-tenis-neni-jen-o-olympiade.html#hp-sez)
If Petra does well with out Kotyza there, maybe somethings really is up.

Remember last year at Linz, where Petra won, after slumping when Kotyza wasn't present.
Some good news:

1. Petra's going to Canada without her coach and is determined to break the curse and start playing better in America

2. Lucie and Andrea have become one of the world's best doubles teams, which bodes well for Petra's chances to defend the Fed Cup title and win some trophy this year besides the underestimated Hopman Cup

3. One great Petra fan from the Big Apple will hopefully stop underestimating Serena Williams

Petra won Paris in 2011 without Kotyza and even when she beat Clijsters in the final only Ivanko was present having flown in on the day to be present just in case she won ….She should try to do the whole USO series without Kotyza or Ivanko as she will go back to thinking for herself - it certainly can't get any worse than current rock bottom she has hit & the USO R1 exit of last year. At least if she exits USO at R1 this year too, she could say she had no coach present to help her….

ArcticMoose
Aug 6th, 2012, 08:51 AM
The explanation may be simple, the match was played on a different court under different conditions. She herself said that the grass there was terrible (basically no grass at all), which changed the ball bounce considerably. Maybe that's why she missed so many easy shots and hit so many returns 3 metres out.

Totally agree. There are actually only a few pics of him on the Internet. He said himself that he has just a handful of photos with Graf, because everything was kept very private and confidential. Maybe Steffi's dad had bad experience with German tabloids.

I think the Statute Of Limitations on Petra Kvitova excuses for 2012 must have expired by now? :help: :oh: :help:

And because of it, along with the fact that Petra should of adjusted during the match, and had so many frequent sitter opportunities, I can't empathize on this one. Sorry.

Victory was well within her grasp (even on an alleged choppy court). What does that say about Petra then? I understand Petra hit's harder with more timing that can be affected, but Makiri never played on Court 2 at the Olympics preceding Petra either.

The court issue may be both true and unfortunate, nonetheless I can't sign off on this one. No!

It was just so embarrassing and strange to see the proper names of Williams, Sharapova and Azarenka, blighted by the name of mediocre party crasher Kirilenko as one of the 4 semifinalist (and of course she went out like a Lamb to slaughter).

The sight of it/her, really boggled the mind indeed.

Ironically, despite their bronze and silver finishes, both Sharapova and Azarenka seemed almost as happy on the Olympic podium as Serena Williams (who won Gold), when they received their medals. We all know why! They never experienced that before. "Shoot/Dang/Duh" it was the Olympics! :lol:

Now where was Petra Kvitova? She didn't even give herself a chance of advancing to the final, or playing for the Bronze medal as the semi final loser. Just say it to yourself again, "Kirilenko!" SMH

Man! What a special missed opportunity. :( :sad: :(

During her rise to the top echelons of the WTA, one of Petra’s endearing qualities was she said it as it is/was and never made any excuses …but now it’s a litany of excuses at every turn & corner – so unprofessional & unnecessary for a girl with so much talent…

ArcticMoose
Aug 6th, 2012, 10:37 AM
Race to the WTA Championships
Top 100 Singles
As of: Aug 06, 2012

1 MARIA SHARAPOVA RUS 7,290.00 11

2 VICTORIA AZARENKA BLR 7,285.00 12

3 SERENA WILLIAMS USA 5,675.00 11

4 AGNIESZKA RADWANSKA POL 5,568.00 15

5 ANGELIQUE KERBER GER 4,245.00 15

6 SARA ERRANI ITA 3,572.00 16

7 PETRA KVITOVA CZE 3,266.00 13

8 SAMANTHA STOSUR AUS 2,723.00 15
===============================
9 MARION BARTOLI FRA 2,662.00 17

10 NA LI CHN 2,472.00 12

:rolleyes:Mademoiselle Kvitova not going to able to defend her YEC title if she does not ring the bell loudly up until Linz/Moscow

bruce goose
Aug 6th, 2012, 04:25 PM
Yes, it’s all a mess bruce, we are where we are and common sense would indicate that we continue on the current track as the train has left the station :) yes even to the hazed & fazed mushroom smoking fans, multiples of threads on the same topic does kinda say too much confusion for no reason!:lol:The lesson we learned in all of this is that all of your fretting was a complete waste of time and only ADDED to the mess.I can understand retaining the same FC thread because the on-court activity is far less frequent.Even so,if the OP for the FC thread somehow vanished off the face of the earth or,more simply,had stopped posting in the forum,we shouldn't conduct an Interpol search for that person just to alleviate your mushroom-induced panic:facepalm:

In my personal experience in the Elena D. forum,Dinara's,Marion's,Makiri's ...or even the dizzy,airheaded Serbian lingerie model/part-time tennis player's,we never recycled the USO thread or even worried about doing so.For that matter,we didn't recycle the AO,RG or Wimbledon threads here in PETRA's forum....so,if the Apocalypse doesn't hit prior to the USO 2013,just shut your stinking piehole next year and let someone...ANYone...open a USO thread.That way if,God forbid,Cosmoose were to be stampeded by a group of angry ostriches,we wouldn't have to raise him/her from the dead to change the thread name just to tranquilize you(aren't mushrooms supposed to make you calmer,anyway?):facepalm:.....Btw,when your vision is so blurry that you start seeing 3 or 4 Petras on the tennis court,THAT might be a sign that it's time to cut back on the hallucinogens a little bit

paulmara
Aug 6th, 2012, 05:56 PM
The 2012 Canadian Open women's main draw singles event will be drawn on Monday 6 August at 1pm local time in Montreal

I´m not too excited.
last year
beat Medina Garriguez 7:6 6:3
lost to Petkovic 1:6 2:6
beat Scheepers 7:6 6:3
lost to Petkovic 3:6 3:6
lost to Dulgheru 6:7 3:6

Vikapower
Aug 6th, 2012, 06:37 PM
Petra's draw for Montréal 2012.

https://p.twimg.com/Azoa0d8CIAAlSUE.jpg:large

Petronius
Aug 6th, 2012, 06:51 PM
Paul Annacone to work with Petra on her serve & ROS (he has previously worked with Sampras & Federer)

Wim Frissette to work with Petra on her volleying, net skills, baseline skills & general all court play imrovement including percentage play and hitting Partner (Frissette used to work with Clijsters at one point)

Pavel Složil to work on game/match & tournament strategy and take over all responsibility for management of the ‘team Petra’ if Petra’s father does not want to step in & take charge. He is Czech so can converse with Petra, Jiri & Cernosek in Czech( He use to work with Graf & Capriati & is in his late 50’s so should bring stability & calmness to the whole Team Kvitty Operation.

Gebhard Phil-Gritsch, Thomas Muster's former trainer & works with Novak Djokovic' as a consultant trainer to advise on fitness, nutrition & movement but leave the footwork to either Wim Frissette or Paul Annacone to deal with. I can see a place for Ivanko carrying out the regime that Phil-Grits sets put for Petra if he can’t travel much with Petra.

In terms of sports psychologists – ideally from a specialist who works in motor sport where you encounter pressure, thinking on the fly, setbacks, endurance but still is pretty much an individual sport.

Nice list :clap2:

However, these guys would cost a lot of money. Can Petra generate enough profits to make this team profitable? In other words, is she talented enough to deserve all these specialists? On the other hand, with Azarenka hiring Mauresmo, it would probably make sense to invite an external expert.

Also count out Složil. I did some more research and he's satisifed with his current position as a club coach. No strains and stresses, while making the same money as if he coached a top player.

And then there's the mentality/language issue. Would the player and her foreign coaches click together without negative impact on her game?

Just a few quick points.

steni
Aug 6th, 2012, 07:21 PM
Petra's draw for Montréal 2012.

https://p.twimg.com/Azoa0d8CIAAlSUE.jpg:large

Not too bad...

Vikapower
Aug 6th, 2012, 08:50 PM
Not too bad...

It's the most difficult section of the draw -- the winner of the tournament should come from there.

Agatha as for her keep taking advantage of her weak draws time and time again, she's almost a lock for the F, NID.

Barktra
Aug 6th, 2012, 08:53 PM
I could see Petra losing to Pervak :scared:

Barktra
Aug 6th, 2012, 08:54 PM
Kotzya has done so much for Petra I don't know if she could fire him just because they are so close

steni
Aug 6th, 2012, 09:06 PM
It's the most difficult section of the draw -- the winner of the tournament should come from there.

Agatha as for her keep taking advantage of her weak draws time and time again, she's almost a lock for the F, NID.

Isnt bad until the quaterfinal lol... I dont know if she can beat Azarenka and Sharapova, but before the quarters she is ok. In paper she is better than Pervak or Bartoli I guess... With Petra you never know...

steni
Aug 6th, 2012, 09:10 PM
I could see Petra losing to Pervak :scared:

It can happen... So i wouldnt be surprise...

Excelscior
Aug 6th, 2012, 09:24 PM
Nice list :clap2:

However, these guys would cost a lot of money. Can Petra generate enough profits to make this team profitable? In other words, is she talented enough to deserve all these specialists? On the other hand, with Azarenka hiring Mauresmo, it would probably make sense to invite an external expert.

Also count out Složil. I did some more research and he's satisifed with his current position as a club coach. No strains and stresses, while making the same money as if he coached a top player.

And then there's the mentality/language issue. Would the player and her foreign coaches click together without negative impact on her game?

Just a few quick points.

Yeah, well thought out list.

Of course Petra could afford/arrange that type of team if she wanted to.

Petra made $5mil last year, and should make $1-$3mil this year in tennis prize money alone.

It's a matter of financial commitment, and how serious you are about improving.

Also, many of these specialist are part time, periodical (a few days, weeks at a time) teachers, and don't cost as much as you think.

Lastly, they're a lot of great people who I'm sure would love to work with Petra and possibly adjust their cost (though I think she could afford them anyway). Martina Navratilova, is one that leaps to mind. And that's as a coach or member of the team. Navratilova, seems like she would always give Petra "life in tennis" lessons and advice for free. When you have the talent of Petra, lots of people would line up, think they can uncork the bottle of unmitigated yearly success. I wouldn't worry about that.

As far as language, keep in mind Ni La (and many others in this and other sports) don't speak their coaches native tongue or English well and still get a lot out of, and have their best years with these coaches. I would even argue that Petra speaks better English than Ni La does. As a matter of fact, I can practically guarantee it, after hearing Li Na repeatedly. Lol

Sometimes Petra may have to learn to leave her exclusive Czech comfort zone, if she wants to improve.

18majors
Aug 6th, 2012, 10:00 PM
Yeah, well thought out list.

Of course Petra could afford/arrange that type of team if she wanted to.

Petra made $5mil last year, and should make $1-$3mil this year in tennis prize money alone.

It's a matter of financial commitment, and how serious you are about improving.

Also, many of these specialist are part time, periodical (a few days, weeks at a time) teachers, and don't cost as much as you think.

Lastly, they're a lot of great people who I'm sure would love to work with Petra and possibly adjust their cost (though I think she could afford them anyway). Martina Navratilova, is one that leaps to mind. And that's as a coach or member of the team. Navratilova, seems like she would always give Petra "life in tennis" lessons and advice for free. When you have the talent of Petra, lots of people would line up, think they can uncork the bottle of unmitigated yearly success. I wouldn't worry about that.

As far as language, keep in mind Ni La (and many others in this and other sports) don't speak their coaches native tongue or English well and still get a lot out of, and have their best years with these coaches. I would even argue that Petra speaks better English than Ni La does. As a matter of fact, I can practically guarantee it, after hearing Li Na repeatedly. Lol

Sometimes Petra may have to learn to leave her exclusive Czech comfort zone, if she wants to improve.

Michael Joyce, Maria's only coach other than her own father, encouraged Maria to get a new coach in late 2010 and it's certainly helped.

Both Petra and her coach will come to that decision if coaching is Petra's real issue right now.

bruce goose
Aug 7th, 2012, 01:44 AM
The 2012 Canadian Open women's main draw singles event will be drawn on Monday 6 August at 1pm local time in Montreal

I´m not too excited.
last year
beat Medina Garriguez 7:6 6:3
lost to Petkovic 1:6 2:6
beat Scheepers 7:6 6:3
lost to Petkovic 3:6 3:6
lost to Dulgheru 6:7 3:6Paul,I'm gonna take a wild guess here---which we have to do with you sometimes:lol:---and assume that you forgot to put some OTHER years below where you listed 'last year'.It defies all logic that Petra could've lost to Petkovic TWICE at last year's Rogers Cup...with a loss to Dulgheru thrown in,too.We know that Petra is an amazing gal,but that's NOT the sort of precedent we want her to set:lol:

cosmoose
Aug 7th, 2012, 04:04 AM
I guess Petra fans like long ass discussion threads :devil:

meanwhile in Montreal... :)

https://p.twimg.com/AzqEiHoCUAEep6B.jpg:large

bruce goose
Aug 7th, 2012, 05:17 AM
I guess Petra fans like long ass discussion threads :devil:

meanwhile in Montreal... :)

https://p.twimg.com/AzqEiHoCUAEep6B.jpg:largeNo,that's just the M.O. for anal European Socialists,making simple things so drawn out that they practically cease to function anymore:lol:.....Really charming pic,though:)...even with the eye glare

Petronius
Aug 7th, 2012, 11:12 AM
I guess Petra fans like long ass discussion threads :devil:

meanwhile in Montreal... :)

https://p.twimg.com/AzqEiHoCUAEep6B.jpg:large

Thanks, nice pic :yeah:

What I always find funny is that the pretty Iveta, who always tries to look chic and glamorous, comes from the city of Most, by far the ugliest Czech town packed with the Communist-style buildings :lol:

http://www.turistika.cz/foto/10648/1392/mid_144641.jpg

mac47
Aug 7th, 2012, 12:32 PM
Thanks, nice pic :yeah:

What I always find funny is that the pretty Iveta, who always tries to look chic and glamorous, comes from the city of Most, by far the ugliest Czech town packed with the Communist-style buildings :lol:

http://www.turistika.cz/foto/10648/1392/mid_144641.jpg


Iveta doesn't have to try. She just is naturally awesome that way. Her twitter feed is hilarious. ("F-word grass!")