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Tennis Observer
Jul 18th, 2011, 12:25 AM
Preview:

For the first time in her career, Julia will participate in US Open Series Bonus Challenge (http://www.usopenseries.com/Standings/Bonus_Challenge/). Her four results* will determine if she will be a top tier (cluster 9 to 16) or low tier (cluster 17 to 24) seed at US Open 2011:

Julia accumulated 2,560 points and managed to hold # 16 the week before Wimbledon 2011 (her career-high are 2,715 points after Wimbledon 2011). Stripping 550 points from her account for her two tournament wins (220K Bad Gastein 2010 & 100K Biarritz 2010) and her SF in 220K Palermo 2010 and adding 130 points from one QF (220K Linz 2010) and two R2 (220K Bogota & Acapulco) will bring her total down to 2,295 points (was good for # 21 the week before Wimbledon 2011). If there are no further pull outs, these transactions will make her a low tier seed at 721K Carlsbad (= no R1 bye) and put pressure on her result at Stanford (currently # 6 seed) in order to grab a seeding spot at Rogers Cup in Toronto. From this perspective, Julia’s failure in Bad Gastein might also have an impact on the lack of her seeding in the other P5 tournament in Cincinnati.

To illustrate, how tricky the road to a top tier seed at US Open 2011 will be (= gaining approximately 265 points), here is one (of many) paths:

Tournament Tier Seed Result points net points
Stanford P 6 QF 130 100
Carlsbad P 10 R3 60 30
Toronto P5 ? R3 125 55
Cinncinati P5 ? QF 225 105

*) Independently that 220K Texas Tennis Open is neither part of US Open Series nor relevant for US Open 2011 seeding, this International Event is not included in her official tournament calendar (http://www.julia-goerges.com/Turnierkalender.21.0.html) (I know, that Julia is part of the entry list (http://www.texastennisopen.com/players)).

18majors
Jul 18th, 2011, 12:08 PM
Do well, Julia.

18majors
Jul 18th, 2011, 03:41 PM
Julia needs to regroup and re-deliver. She had such a momrntum going into French Open but lost most of it in the last 2 months.

joy division
Jul 19th, 2011, 05:47 AM
She twittered yesterday, that she still suffers from her bad tooth and gets some more treatment.
Also Julia said, she will leave to the States on Friday. ( a little late ? )
Seems not to be the best preparation for Stanford, but let`s see, what surprise bag Julia has got to offer there.

18majors
Jul 19th, 2011, 12:10 PM
Julia is definitely late in her Stanford preparation but we'll see how it goes.

Vikapower
Jul 19th, 2011, 02:53 PM
Julia will be seeded #6 in Stanford, that's good but Serena's ranking is so low I really fear that she bounces with Julia early - hopefully that doesn't happen.

Ayumilove
Jul 22nd, 2011, 10:37 PM
Good luck in Stanford! hoping for a good draw...

Root
Jul 23rd, 2011, 01:37 AM
Julia will be seeded #6 in Stanford, that's good but Serena's ranking is so low I really fear that she bounces with Julia early - hopefully that doesn't happen.

Possible second round meeting. :sobbing:

Vikapower
Jul 23rd, 2011, 01:46 AM
^^ :lol: :sobbing: This is the worst draw ever... WTH did I have to say that !?? :rolls: :help: Well hopefully Julia does her best but doesn't look promising at all. :rolleyes:

Ayumilove
Jul 23rd, 2011, 01:47 AM
its already on facebook...

Root
Jul 23rd, 2011, 01:52 AM
^^ :lol: :sobbing: This is the worst draw ever... WTH did I have to say that !?? :rolls: :help: Well hopefully Julia does her best but doesn't look promising at all. :rolleyes:

Short stay at Stanford. If she gets past Kiri and Serena (a big IF), Daniela(def. Q)/Maria will be waiting.

Vikapower
Jul 23rd, 2011, 01:53 AM
Could you post the link please Nadeshiko. :)

Ayumilove
Jul 23rd, 2011, 01:56 AM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Julia-Goerges/102521843140722?ref=ts

Well if Aleksandrea Wozniak and Marion Bartoli can come out of nowhere to win this title, i'm sure Julia will be fine. Plus, this isn't a GS so i don't think Serena will exactly be trying 100%.

Vikapower
Jul 23rd, 2011, 01:56 AM
Short stay at Stanford. If she gets past Kiri and Serena (a big IF), Daniela(def. Q)/Maria will be waiting.

I think Kiri is in her range if Julia plays good but after she'll have to really play at Stuttgart's level and maybe even better to get passed either Serena or Maria IMO. For me one win would already be alright seeing how things are. ;)

Vikapower
Jul 23rd, 2011, 01:59 AM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Julia-Goerges/102521843140722?ref=ts

Well if Aleksandrea Wozniak and Marion Bartoli can come out of nowhere to win this title, i'm sure Julia will be fine. Plus, this isn't a GS so i don't think Serena will exactly be trying 100%.

:lol: There is no draw !? :lol: Anyways, Serena needs match play to not only ameliorate her ranking but get back her level pre-injury... Serena will be taking this thing very seriously I think.

Root
Jul 23rd, 2011, 01:59 AM
The big if was at Ree. :lol: Round one is very winnable but you don't know with Julia these days. One match at a time I guess.

Ayumilove
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:02 AM
:lol: There is no draw !? :lol: Anyways, Serena needs match play to not only ameliorate her ranking but get back her level pre-injury... Serena will be taking this thing very seriously I think.

Let's hope not. And i meant her first round opponent.

Vikapower
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:13 AM
^^ We can always hope, first Julia needs to get past Kiri first, which might not be that any easier before we can really start thinking about Rena.

Ayumilove
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:18 AM
The only way Julia will lose is if a Cibulkova 2.0 happens again.
And i requested for my name to be Goergeslove

Banditoo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 07:31 AM
Bad draw for Jul. :( She probably win agaist Kiri but will be difficult match. In second round agaist Serina will be very very difficult match. If she win in match whit Williams, she can win a title. Good luck Jul. :)

Michael!
Jul 23rd, 2011, 08:15 AM
Kirilenko is not an easy first round but she will win if she plays wells as Kirilenko doesn´t have any big weapons but she is really consistent normally, so that could be a big problem if Görges is in UE mood again and her preparation wasn´t that great anyway, so I don´t really expect her to do well here, 2nd round against S.Williams will be probably too hard then anyway, we´ll see :p

joy division
Jul 23rd, 2011, 08:37 AM
Very difficult draw.
Could be a very short stay at Stanford.
Very short preparation time, jet lag, bad tooth ( she didn`t mention it anymore the last few days )

But let`s be optimistic.
Andi Schleck finally has the yellow jersey of the Tour de France, she twitters every day about him and obviously likes him, the Californian sun, after the cold and rainy days in Germany, and a surface, that she definitely likes.
Nobody expects her to go far here, still less after the draw.
So Julia actually can play without pressure, and after the last weak performance in Bad Gastein, it`s her turn to play better again ( hope so ).
If her game is on, she should be able to beat Kirilenko, and then it will be interesting to see, whether she has closed the gap to players like Serena, and maybe even Sharapova.
All the best for Julia !!!:bounce:

Skoo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 09:59 AM
She does perform better when she's not a favorite and if Bartoli was able to beat Serena, why not (consistent) Julia? And Sharapova should be about as much trouble for her as for Kvitova :)

madmax
Jul 23rd, 2011, 10:30 AM
She does perform better when she's not a favorite and if Bartoli was able to beat Serena, why not (consistent) Julia? And Sharapova should be about as much trouble for her as for Kvitova :)

Julia always plays Maria close and she almost beat her in Melbourne this year in a very high quality match...therefore I'm confident that if she is in good physical shape she will bring her best against Serena too. But beating Kirilenko is the first task of course

Skoo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 11:21 AM
Julia always plays Maria close and she almost beat her in Melbourne this year in a very high quality match...therefore I'm confident that if she is in good physical shape she will bring her best against Serena too. But beating Kirilenko is the first task of course

Yes, but she's the favourite on paper. Kiri can beat her only by making less errors, but the other too can really beat her. Of course, her game is not necessarily weaker (if we ignore Serena's serve), but her mind is.

18majors
Jul 23rd, 2011, 01:35 PM
Beating Serena or losing competitivley is not a bad first step for US Open Series.

Specter
Jul 23rd, 2011, 05:01 PM
I hope Serena gets a decent ranking again soon, because this whole "floater of sudden death" thing is annoying me already. :o

Vikapower
Jul 23rd, 2011, 05:45 PM
Yes, but she's the favourite on paper. Kiri can beat her only by making less errors, but the other too can really beat her. Of course, her game is not necessarily weaker (if we ignore Serena's serve), but her mind is.

On Kiri I agree, Julia has much more weapons than the russian when she's on a good day so hopefully she passes that hurdle then all the matches after will be a question of mental toughness and consistency more than a question of tennis skills because we know she has the game to trouble and probably beat anyone on the tour.

Skoo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 06:37 PM
On Kiri I agree, Julia has much more weapons than the russian when she's on a good day so hopefully she passes that hurdle then all the matches after will be a question of mental toughness and consistency more than a question of tennis skills because we know she has the game to trouble and probably beat anyone on the tour.

Maybe she can beat Serena, but I think not the best-form Serena. And that is mostly because of Serena's serve. But this is just in terms of technique. When it comes to tactics, even if she finds her consistency, Julia needs to use a lot that frontal lobe to beat Serena. I think ballbashing is advisable rather than trying to outsmart her :)

Vikapower
Jul 23rd, 2011, 07:36 PM
Maybe she can beat Serena, but I think not the best-form Serena. And that is mostly because of Serena's serve. But this is just in terms of technique. When it comes to tactics, even if she finds her consistency, Julia needs to use a lot that frontal lobe to beat Serena. I think ball-bashing is advisable rather than trying to outsmart her :)

Yes, Julia's ROS is quite inconsistent even if she can display some brilliance from time to time (...) smart ball-bashing. :lol: If she comes spraying shots around certainly going to be much more tougher. I think what Marion did in Wimbledon was a good example of what she might have to do : move the ball around intelligently, consistently and take your chances efficiently when you have to.

Skoo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 07:48 PM
Yes, Julia's ROS is quite inconsistent even if she can display some brilliance from time to time (...) smart ball-bashing. :lol: If she comes spraying shots around certainly going to be much more tougher. I think what Marion did in Wimbledon was a good example of what she might have to do : move the ball around intelligently, consistently and take your chances efficiently when you have to.

It's not her ROS that is the deciding factor. If Serena's serve is working 100%, breaking her is pretty close to mission impossible. Of course, many wasted shots would not do the trick :lol: A tactic like that employed by Marion was what I had in mind too. The idea was that is better to force errors on Serena than to try to win "smart" winners, like dropshots & co. :)

Banditoo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 07:53 PM
Serena will play more good than Wimby, i hope. Julia will have a chance, but first is Kiri. :)

Skoo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 07:58 PM
Serena will play more good than Wimby, i hope. Julia will have a chance, but first is Kiri. :)

Say, whose side are on here? :)

Banditoo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 08:05 PM
Say, whose side are on here? :)

Serena. For this tournament i`m for Serena. For San Diego and Toronto for Jul, for Cincy and USO for Venus. :o
Very crazy but this is me. :p

Venus is first for me. Serena and Julia are second.

Skoo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 08:11 PM
Serena. For this tournament i`m for Serena. For San Diego and Toronto for Jul, for Cincy and USO for Venus. :o
Very crazy but this is me. :p

Venus is first for me. Serena and Julia are second.

Oh, yes, you had a big banner there. Easy to miss :lol: Anyway... traitor! :lol:

Banditoo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 08:15 PM
Oh, yes, you had a big banner there. Easy to miss :lol: Anyway... traitor! :lol:

:lol::lol::lol:
I hope Julia win Stanford (too hard) or San diego (5th seed). I want to see Jul like a winner. Time is right now for hardcourt title. :)

Vikapower
Jul 23rd, 2011, 08:40 PM
It's not her ROS that is the deciding factor. If Serena's serve is working 100%, breaking her is pretty close to mission impossible. Of course, many wasted shots would not do the trick :lol: A tactic like that employed by Marion was what I had in mind too. The idea was that is better to force errors on Serena than to try to win "smart" winners, like dropshots & co. :)

Indeed but there are moments if Serena serves 100% where Julia's ROS will be tested... Serena isn't Karlovic and will not hit ace after ace after ace and there will be moments where Julia will have a shot at the ball and will have to be as effective as possible to get it back into play. -- when the ball is now into play it's like 50-50 or maybe 50-40 adv. Rena.

Yes, I agree on the second part. :lol: Dropshots and this surprisingly are very low percentage shots vs. Rena (though Julia has a very beautiful dropper off the BH side). She's very quick and explosive to move forward -- her lateral footwork now is a complete other story. :lol:

Julia will have to use a lot of angles and not just hit the ball as hard back to Rena, that's probably not going to do it every time especially when considering the gap in power between both of them.

Vikapower
Jul 23rd, 2011, 08:49 PM
BTW Skoo, I re-watched their match in RG 2010 even if it's not that much indicative of anything, Julia was all crazy and attempting many times impossible shots (especially that famous FH DTL she always tries to hit in open stance and misses like 6 times out of 10). :lol: She was moved around very much and often could not turn the outcome of the exchanges because she was very slow to recover most of times -- her foot work was just not effective.

Julia progressed a lot in these departments : movement, control and especially balance... she recovers quicker and often now she can turn defense into offense. It'll be now interesting to see how Rena will feel against the better Julia.

Skoo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 09:16 PM
:lol::lol::lol:
I hope Julia win Stanford (too hard) or San diego (5th seed). I want to see Jul like a winner. Time is right now for hardcourt title. :)

Yeah, right, you hope Serena will win everything. You're probably here just to find out about Julia's tactics so you'll inform Serena in time :lol:

Vlada (this sounds better to me :)), yes, her movement is definitely something that has progressed in the last few months. I remember that in the match against JJ at Indian Wells I thought to myself she'll never do anything with that kind of movement. But just a few weeks later she was moving a lot better. And I think her lateral movement too. I have a very clear mental picture of her small steps from side to side at Stuttgart and Madrid (you know, that period when she was awake :)) and they were very efficient. But if it's something I don't like about her is the way she moves (along with those celebration moves or whatever they're called). Not quite elegant :)

Concerning control... well, she seemed to have more control, but it's gone for about two months now. It's probably the fatigue problem. Can't say anything about balance. I'm not even sure what you mean :)

Serena might be surprised by the new Julia and should Julia beat her, there might be also some words of praise from her because it would probably mean that she played a great match. Let's hope that tooth is OK :lol:

18majors
Jul 24th, 2011, 01:17 PM
Go Julia, play well at Stanford.

Vikapower
Jul 24th, 2011, 01:40 PM
Vlada (this sounds better to me :))

Well you can call me however you feel like :lol: my original name was Vikapower but a lot who weren't there for long know me by Vlada but both are cool. ;)

I have a very clear mental picture of her small steps from side to side at Stuttgart and Madrid (you know, that period when she was awake :)) and they were very efficient. But if it's something I don't like about her is the way she moves (along with those celebration moves or whatever they're called). Not quite elegant :)

Yes, Julia though has to ameliorate her foot speed. Her feet are still heavy when she's moving in small steps towards the ball -- BTW her celebrations are the sexiest on the tour. :hearts: Or maybe I'm confused with celebration moves...

Concerning control... well, she seemed to have more control, but it's gone for about two months now. It's probably the fatigue problem. Can't say anything about balance. I'm not even sure what you mean :)

:lol: I'll try to explain with my own terms and the correct technical ones in english, well, balance is stability -- generally a player loses their stability if they hit the ball too close/far from their body (placement problems), their elbow position etc... for example with Julia's technique on the FH side, if she takes the ball too close to her, she's obliged to compensate with her upper-body to her left which can result into a supplementary pattern for her racket-head and her shot to be pulled of wide.

Balance is generally obtained by good placement (footwork) but also good body position (head, upper body and legs) -- on the run it's called dynamic balance which corresponds to maintaining your balance on the run in other words maintaining these aspects I talked above on the run.

It's very important to keep your center of gravity in line with your feet because as you might guess if your upper-body, which forms 43.46% of your weight, is too inclined backwards then you're not going to have a solid contact point -- and it's very important that your center of gravity stays low.

Now, speaking about Julia, the main reasons why she usually would lose her balance and efficiency on her her strokes are her slow footwork which could result her in taking the ball too far or too close not the ideal when you're an aggressive player and her leg position -- if you watch Julia before Stuttgart, you would see that every time after contact point, she would leave her right leg trail,often on clay she would slip after CP and lose plenty time on recovering.

It made her late all the time for the next shots especially when playing a someone like Rena who's shots comes relatively fast and make her hit her FHs in all sorts of awkward positions and situations. It does happen also sometimes that when Julia hits her DTL FH in open stance, that she has no support on the ground and slightly gets inclined backward which results often into an incorrect CP and the ball to go long.

:lol: I'm not fully a specialist just some explanations in my own words. ;)

Skoo
Jul 24th, 2011, 05:06 PM
Yes, Julia though has to ameliorate her foot speed. Her feet are still heavy when she's moving in small steps towards the ball -- BTW her celebrations are the sexiest on the tour. :hearts: Or maybe I'm confused with celebration moves...

I was just talking about the aesthetics of her footwork. Well, actually only about the forward movement. She has that Wozniacki-like run, with her hands waving wide, something like swimming :) Of course, this is all subjective.

The "celebration moves" are those that come after winning a tough point, set, match. Collapsing in joy on the clay at Stuttgart was indeed very sexy, but look at the celebration after the match with Safarova. Those are the gestures of a schoolgirl. Also that jerking pumped fist move, the thumbs-up move and lately she adopted that bending-and-come-on-in-the-fist move that we can see from Ana or Serena. Maybe they're not necessarily ugly (one can argue they are rather sweet), but most of them are not the celebrations of champions and they convey immaturity. Aesthetically, for me, there is a high contrast between these moves and her elegant strokes.


:lol: I'm not fully a specialist just some explanations in my own words. ;)

I think your own words are good enough. You make an excellent description. That's what I thought you mean and I still don't have a very clear opinion, but I recognize most of what you say. Also, sometimes it looks like a problem of timing. She gets there in time, but doesn't hit in the best moment (especially when she tries the FH DTL).

Furthermore, at least in her "glory days", she hit a lot of winners from uncomfortable positions. Probably the best point in the final at Stuttgart was the passing shot at 4-2 and 0-30 (or something like that, you might know the point I'm talking about). That ended in the SF at Madrid (fatigue again?). She did hit occasional winners on the run again, but the percentage must have been much lower.

Vikapower
Jul 24th, 2011, 05:35 PM
BTW Skoo we should further the discussion in Julia's cheering thread, I think we're kind of off-topic now in her US Open series cheering/Livescore thread :lol: I don't think we want people go through all these if they just only want to cheer or take infos on Julia in her US Open series :rolls: -- I forgot that so you'll find my answer here (http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?t=439366&page=7).

HowardH
Jul 24th, 2011, 07:11 PM
Tough draw. Even Kiri is no walkover, although Julia would find it disappointing if she lost that match. I suppose if you are going to play Serena it's best to play her when her form is still somewhat in doubt.

Banditoo
Jul 24th, 2011, 07:54 PM
Hello people! Interesting discussion. Great Vlada again and great Skoo. I thank you for this - I learn very thing about for Julia in there discussion... Thank you again! :)
Except good game - good movement, some good winner, balance, little UEs and `smart ball-bashing` - Julia must be a excellent mentally. Everyone know that - Serena is Queen of the comeback. Goeges can have a good day and can play a excellent, but this is doesn`t enough. Serena can beat her whit psychic. This is very important when you play whit misses Williams. She must to believe in herself. She can beat her. Yes every which you are enumerated is important. But when you can a psychic to beat her she will beat you. Whether is Jul ready? I don`t know.
But Kiri is first and she is great player.Yes Jul is better player, but Kiri can beat her. Lat`s we aren`t hurrying and will be much good if we watch match for match. :)

Root
Jul 24th, 2011, 08:31 PM
Doubles draw for Stanford.

(1)Huber/Raymond v Jans-Ignacik/Rosolska
Fichman/Pelletier v Kondratieva/Lefevre
(4)Grandin/Uhlirova v Aoyama/Fujiwara
Cibulkova/Date-Krumm v Chang/Sun

Arvidsson/Erakovic v Lisicki/Stosur
U.Radwanska/Savchuk v (3)Goerges/Zahlavova Strycova
Rodionova/Rodionova v (wc)Marino//McHale
Kops-Jones/Spears v (2)Azarenka/Kirilenko

Specter
Jul 24th, 2011, 09:04 PM
Nooo!! Jule against Kiri in singles and Ula in doubles, with Stosicki and Vikiri all in the same half! And Bine v Sam in 2nd round! Why does Stanford hate me and my faves? :hysteric:

Tennis Observer
Jul 25th, 2011, 06:45 AM
Some remarks about Julia’s US Open Series 2011

After Kim Clijsters (lack of preparation after her injured right ankle had healed) official withdrawal ( http://www.tennisworldusa.org/WTA---Clijsters-Kvitova-withdraw-from-San-Deigo-articolo1030.html) and the nonappearance of Yanina Wickmayer (low back injury) in WTA’s Top 25 Player Schedules (http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/Notes&Netcords/2011/july25.pdf) Julia is expected to be # 8 seed ( http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19928896&postcount=86) at 721K Carlsbad, CA next week. As a consequence, she will have a bye in R1.
Currently every Top 20 player will enter P5 Toronto. As a result, Julia needs to be RU at 721K Stanford to grab # 16 seed at Rogers Cup, which is very unlikely.
One of Julia’s competitors for a top tier seed spot at US Open (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19929173&postcount=1) is Wimbledon QF Dominika Cibulková, who sidelined not only Caroline Wozniacki (as Julia) two times (721K Sydney & Wimbledon) but also won against Maria Sharapova (PM Madrid) and Vera Zvonereva (PM Indian Wells) this season. On the contrary to other commentators, I was pleased with Julia’s performance against Dominika at Wimbledon 2011 besides these view moments where she lost these big points. I keep my fingers cross that Julia will progress here.
As expected, Julia does not plan to play 220K Dallas the week before US Open 2011 (From her HP (http://www.julia-goerges.com/index.php?id=10&L=1): “She plays after Stanford the tournaments in Carlsbad, Toronto and Cincinnati. The following US Open in New York are the highlight of this series.” & her Tournament Calendar (http://www.julia-goerges.com/Tournament-calendar.21.0.html?&L=1)).

Some remarks about 721K Standford draw

It goes without saying that Julia will meet tough opponents in early rounds: Maria Kirilenko (# 25) is the 2nd highest unseeded player in the draw and Serena Williams’ 340 points reflects her two results at Wimbledon (R4 – 63 62 W on the way against Maria Kirilenko) and Eastbourne (R3). If she advance in R2 and will meet Serena, I see also a plus side: Julia has nothing to lose and will receive enormous attention (in an evening match).
Odds ( http://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/womens-tour/wta-stanford/julia-goerges-v-maria-kirilenko/winner ) give Julia the edge over Maria for good reasons: Maria doesn’t play time after time the way she sidelined Alberta Brianti in Wimbledon and I am confident that Julia’s service sees better days than in Bad Gastein (if not: well, then…).
Julia (# 40) who don’t have a regular Doubles partner since the split up with Lisa Raymond (# 13) will team up with Barbora Záhlavová-Strýcová (# 17) because of the absence of her regular partner Iveta Benesova. [3]Goerges/Záhlavová-Strýcová will play U. Radwanzka/Savchuk in opening round and more likely meet Wimbledon finalist Lisicki/Stosur in QF.

seahawker
Jul 25th, 2011, 06:55 PM
ESPN seems to think it's a lock for Serena and Sharapova to meet in the quarterfinals at Stanford. Brad Gilbert was all for that as this was discussed Sunday during the final of the Atlanta tournament. Thankfully Daren Cahill mentioned that Julia Goerges might have a say in who plays who in the quarterfinals.

Vikapower
Jul 25th, 2011, 08:01 PM
ESPN seems to think it's a lock for Serena and Sharapova to meet in the quarterfinals at Stanford. Brad Gilbert was all for that as this was discussed Sunday during the final of the Atlanta tournament. Thankfully Daren Cahill mentioned that Julia Goerges might have a say in who plays who in the quarterfinals.

Well they're kind of stars of the event so it's normal everyone and the medias warm up for them but hopefully Julia will ruin the party by getting the better of Rena if the chance is given. :devil:

HowardH
Jul 25th, 2011, 08:34 PM
By the way, there will be a stream: http://www.streamingtennis.com/Cardinal/livescoreboard1.html

All courts have streams, with sound this year. 1 is court 1, 6 is court 2 (since the other courts are covered with stands). Check it out now if you like.

Vikapower
Jul 26th, 2011, 12:04 AM
^^ Many thanks for the link, seems to be working pretty well. :lol:

Tennis Observer
Jul 26th, 2011, 03:52 AM
Julia's schedule for a sunny day (http://www.weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/USCA1093?begHour=8&begDay=207) at Stanford's Stadium (= CC):

R1: [6]Julia Goerges (GER, # 20) vs Maria Kirilenko (RUS, # 25)
3rd match after 8 pm German Time (= 11 am local time)
Odds: 7/10 vs 5/4 (http://www.oddschecker.com/tennis/womens-tour/wta-stanford/julia-goerges-v-maria-kirilenko/winner) (= leaning to Julia), First Meeting

R1: Urszula Radwańska (POL, # 118)/Olga Savchuk (UKR, # 84) vs [3]Julia Goerges (GER, # 40)/Barbora Záhlavová-Strýcová (CZE, # 17)
2nd match after Wed 4 am German Time (= Tue 7 pm local time)

Order of Play (http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/posting/2011/703/OP.pdf)

Malkmus_
Jul 26th, 2011, 09:53 AM
Good luck Julia! :bounce: :hug:

Vikapower
Jul 26th, 2011, 12:42 PM
In 3rd. match hopefully Julia gets the win. :hearts:

18majors
Jul 26th, 2011, 01:23 PM
Good luck with Kirelenko.

Skoo
Jul 26th, 2011, 06:33 PM
Is that the best stream ever or what? :) I hope the first matches don't take forever. Can't stand waiting :help:

Banditoo
Jul 26th, 2011, 06:42 PM
By the way, there will be a stream: http://www.streamingtennis.com/Cardinal/livescoreboard1.html

Can anybody find Julia if she have a practice? I can find Sharapova, Ivanovis and Hantuhova but can`t find my princes Goerges. :[

joy division
Jul 26th, 2011, 07:27 PM
Sabine showed her, how to do it.

Auf geht`s, Julia, das packst du !!!:bounce:

18majors
Jul 26th, 2011, 08:50 PM
Morita won, Julia will start her match in less than 20 minutes.

18majors
Jul 26th, 2011, 08:56 PM
Players are on court.

Vikapower
Jul 26th, 2011, 08:58 PM
Let's go Julia BTW is this the Live scoring thread !?

18majors
Jul 26th, 2011, 08:59 PM
I don't see any live socring thread for Julia.

Vikapower
Jul 26th, 2011, 09:02 PM
Well normally I was suppose to create one but Tennisobserver did this US Open series thread IDK.

18majors
Jul 26th, 2011, 09:06 PM
Julis serves first.

Root
Jul 26th, 2011, 09:06 PM
Why not create a live scoring thread then and leave that for discussions?

Vikapower
Jul 26th, 2011, 09:08 PM
Why not create a live scoring thread then and leave that for discussions?

Ok I will.

EDIT : http://www.tennisforum.com/showthread.php?p=19937216#post19937216

18majors
Jul 26th, 2011, 09:09 PM
1-0, Julia served well.

Vikapower
Jul 26th, 2011, 10:25 PM
Pathetic display of tennis, I'm not even bothered of the freaking loss just the manner. :help: I don't even know if she deserves a comment or not just really deceitful... next is San Diego/Carlsbad let's see what she comes up with.

Skoo
Jul 26th, 2011, 10:27 PM
I'm afraid she won't do much in US with those disastrous timing problems. Not to mention the serve is pretty useless again.

Michael!
Jul 26th, 2011, 10:27 PM
Kirilenko did nothing special, as usual but that kind of game is enough when the opponent is in UE mood like Julia today :p

well ,no surprise, Julia´s shape is pretty bad, she lost her shape since she lost to Bartoli in Paris, in Wimbledon she played decent but couldnt take her chances against Cibulkova and now that mess with going back to clay, her teeth problems and then her short preparation for Stanford, no surprise that she lost, 1st serve was good, rest was more or less shit, but I am quite confident that she will have some better results soon, I mean, those up´s and down´s are typical for Julia..she needs a bit of luck in her next tournaments, one or two wins against sucky opponents and it would already look a bit better...

18majors
Jul 26th, 2011, 10:27 PM
Julia should've come to the US earlier, not waiting until Friday, July 22.

Break My Rapture
Jul 26th, 2011, 10:28 PM
Fast courts just aren't Julia's deal, she'll have to tinker with her technique if she wants the success she has on clay on hardcourts and grass as well, the depth on Kirilenko's shots was outstanding the whole match so it would have always been tough for Julia, especially if she doesn't serve well which kinda happened today.

I expect better results on slower hardcourts like Cincy and Toronto, is she playing San Diego/Carlsbad next week?

mk27
Jul 26th, 2011, 10:31 PM
I expect better results on slower hardcourts like Cincy and Toronto, is she playing San Diego/Carlsbad next week?

Yes, she will play there.

CillyUltra
Jul 26th, 2011, 11:19 PM
Honestly, her US season starts in San Diego. And with this draw, it couldn't be more than a warm up for her anyway.

crazillo
Jul 26th, 2011, 11:45 PM
It was quite a terrible match from her, espacially the serve was not working at all. She so depends on her serve.

Skoo
Jul 26th, 2011, 11:56 PM
Honestly, her US season starts in San Diego. And with this draw, it couldn't be more than a warm up for her anyway.

Maybe the fact that she couldn't practice more had something to do with it, but Kiri showed how little you have to do to beat her. Just press her backhand and that's it. And when she had the opportunity to close the point with the FH she missed on about 60% of the time.

It was obvious she can't rally for more than 4-5 shots and that she is lucky when she times a stroke properly. Of course, nobody is perfect and there are means to compensate for the shortcomings. Mainly the serve, which was bad and then again Kiri showed that you only have to put ball in play and Julia will do the rest. Then she could have tried to get in place to hit a FH instead of repeating the same errors time and time again. Doing that also on the return would have probably helped and I think that every time Kiri served to Julia's FH she lost the point.

Kiri had a very simple and effective plan and Julia could have anticipated her every shot, but instead she didn't change anything and probably kept hoping she won't miss the next BH or maybe that Kiri will make an error.

In short, weak serving, bad timing, no adaptation to the opponent's game and wrong decisions. Her technical dificulties probably won't be improved until the next week (maybe she'll serve better though), therefore if she is to win some matches in the US, she needs a lot of tactics or the luck of meeting pushers or players that make a lot of errors.

Vikapower
Jul 27th, 2011, 01:12 AM
^^ As much as the loss can be deceiving I still will not try to read in this too much... there are still 2 tournaments and probably New Haven (which I doubt) on her schedule so plenty more time to have us lie on any sort of speculations we're having right now. If Julia has similar problems in the future tournaments then I think we could call a case but there's still time and she has to put the right mentality with it.

As you noted though Julia seemed completely lost with her game... I agree Kiri might or could be for something but on many shots when Julia had time to do something, she would blatantly put the shot 10 000 miles out -- length can't be the only explanation for her incapacity to even keep an exchange beyond 3 strokes.

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Anyways Cilly has some truth too, Serena in the eventuality she would have passed Rodionova was really going to make it complicated for her but we could have always hoped and if you ask me, I would have preferred Julia in the 2nd. round and probably loose there than that quick exit who doesn't bring nothing for her considering how she said that she's willing to improve her game in the US Open series.

HowardH
Jul 27th, 2011, 03:24 AM
Hmm. Didn't see the match, so it's hard to assess what happened, but I am fully aware that Julia is quite capable of playing phenomenally badly. Let's also not forget that Kirilenko is a slightly up and down player who is capable of playing very solid tennis on a good day (although not quite at Julia's maximum level). At this stage, we more or less have to expect at least 4 or 5 matches like this from Julia per season. maybe more. So far she has been unable to overcome this- when she has a bad day, she will lose, and she doesn't know how to stop it from happening or adjust her game. She doesn't have an answer to a bad day. Well, even the greats have such days, but they definitely have less of them than Julia.

I think that Julia, in general, is not a very adaptable player. It takes her a while to adapt to a new surface, to a new opponent, to a new strategy, so when she has a bad day, she is unable to compensate. If the shot that went in in practice is going out, she won't know what to do. Julia will tend to keep going for the same shots even if she is missing them- she only knows one way to play. That's why she often looks clueless when she plays poorly. Probably, we cannot expect this style to change, or at least not in the short term. Serena and Venus after all did the same thing, except that normally, unless they are injured or rusty, they will eventually find the rhythm during the match. They may miss the dtl bh 10 times, be down an early break, and then start making it and come back. Hence their multiple slams.

She must either learn how to find rhythm during a match (like the WS are usually able to do) or figure out how to adapt her game on a bad day if she is to ever reach the next level. The "establishing rhythm" method involves being willing to sacrifice some points and even games in order to find rhythm, and has to begin early in a match. The "adapting play" method involves having secondary tactics and strategies to employ, which is more Hingis' style. Anyway, we can also expect the odd good tournament from Julia as well. But being a high level player is about performing well for many tournaments during a year, so Julia still has a ways to go in that department.

I'm never sure how much bad losses like this really matter to Julia at this stage. In the long run, she has to overcome this, but in the short term perhaps it doesn't matter so much, so long as she eventually fixes it.

Vikapower
Jul 27th, 2011, 04:23 AM
Julia/Barbora def. Urszula/Savchuk 6-0 6-2

From what I saw she was striking the ball quite well in the 1st. set maybe going far in doubles will give her some supplementary training on the surface ; I don't know much about doubles and how it affects singles (off the ground) unless perhaps on the volleys.

Banditoo
Jul 27th, 2011, 07:43 AM
I didn`t see the match. And this was good to me. :( What happened with Julia? Three consecutive losses from Cibulkova, Puos-Tio and Kirilenko! When she had a bad day she can`t do anything with this situation. Oh my poor Julia. :sad:
I hope for better resultants in San Diego!

18majors
Jul 27th, 2011, 12:53 PM
Julia didn't play badly and Kirilenko played well. I'm sure Julia will rebound next week.

Skoo
Jul 27th, 2011, 01:17 PM
Julia didn't play badly and Kirilenko played well. I'm sure Julia will rebound next week.

Julia didn't play her worst, but pretty bad though. Probably better than Bad Gastein or Eastbourne and worse than Wimbledon (against Cibulkova). Her first serve was below 50% and the points won on the second serve were not many (and a few DFs when it mattered).

Makiri definitely played well, she did nothing stupid and served very well. But I think the deciding factor was Makiri's obsession with Julia's BH. She made some stupid errors on the FH, but winning those points wouldn't have won the match. To win, she needed to get more first serves in and finish the points quickly so that she won't allow Kiri to torture her on the BH.

She broke Kiri twice, even though she had to return almost all serves also on the BH, therefore serving better herself could have produced a score of 64 75 or something like that. And, theoretically, Julia has the better service. Oh well, it doesn't matter now... :sad:

CillyUltra
Jul 27th, 2011, 05:01 PM
Julia's analysis of yesterday's matches on Twitter: :devil:
Had 1win and loss yesterday...today playing doubles again...off to practice soon...

Dorien.
Jul 27th, 2011, 06:35 PM
Julia :sad:

HowardH
Jul 27th, 2011, 08:50 PM
Julia/Barbora def. Urszula/Savchuk 6-0 6-2

From what I saw she was striking the ball quite well in the 1st. set maybe going far in doubles will give her some supplementary training on the surface ; I don't know much about doubles and how it affects singles (off the ground) unless perhaps on the volleys.

In my opinion doubles gives reasonably good practice in three areas: Serving under pressure, returning under pressure, and volleying.

Good doubles specialists almost always have good returns, but rallying (i.e. hitting and moving together) is usually their weakpoint when they try to play against top singles players.

Tennis Observer
Jul 27th, 2011, 11:42 PM
Hmm. Didn't see the match, so it's hard to assess what happened, but I am fully aware that Julia is quite capable of playing phenomenally badly. Let's also not forget that Kirilenko is a slightly up and down player who is capable of playing very solid tennis on a good day (although not quite at Julia's maximum level).
Let me briefly described what happened from both sides of the net:
We concurred in previous discussions that Julia depends on a high first service percentage, which she significantly missed:

1st set: Julia lost three out of four service games because her first service missed the target every other time and she made only two (out of twelve) points from second service.
2nd set: Julia lost three out of five service games because her first service missed the target every other time and she made only four (out of 16) points from second service.
Maria, who played Top 20 in season 2010, is an aggressive baseliner, with both power and angle in her shots. She has good speed around the court, can switch quickly between offensive and defensive play and has brilliant volleying skills, which helps her to be a Top 10 Doubles player (comments like this ( http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19937714&postcount=40) are just in bad taste).

If Maria plays solid (which she did), Julia’s second service and her BH are not competitive.

I think that Julia, in general, is not a very adaptable player, […] she only knows one way to play. That's why she often looks clueless when she plays poorly.
If Julia advances (against solid players) most likely the majority of her points are delivered from her first service and her FH (the higher the ball bounces, the better for her). If her first service misses the target, every aggressive player doesn’t give her enough time to play FH instead of BH…

Probably, we cannot expect this style to change, or at least not in the short term.
+ 1.
Let me add (especially for those who cheer for Julia after her two wins against Caro) that Julia played 2009 her first Top 100 season, 2010 her first Top 50 season and will advance in 2010 at least to a seeded GS player. This is much more than most of her competitors have a achieved in such a short period of time. To avoid disappointment, I wouldn’t set unrealistic goals.

I'm never sure how much bad losses like this really matter to Julia at this stage. In the long run, she has to overcome this, but in the short term perhaps it doesn't matter so much, so long as she eventually fixes it.
It’s hard to say. Julia’s seasonal goal is a Top 20 rank. With the early departure in Stanford she definitely will not be seeded in Toronto, as every Top 20 payer has entered. I keep my fingers cross that the draw is in her favor (a slower HC and should support her play).

However, if Julia will be a top tier seed at GS for the second consecutive time, she will have to earn approx. 265 points during her next three tournaments, which looks too ambitious to me:

Tournament Tier Seed Result points net points
Carlsbad P 7 QF 120 90
Toronto P5 - R3 125 95
Cincinnati P5 ? R3 125 55
@Vikapower: Julia didn’t enter 721K New Haven, CT, but 220K Dallas, TX. As neither WTA ( http://www.wtatennis.com/SEWTATour-Archive/Archive/Notes&Netcords/2011/july25.pdf) nor her Tournament Calendar ( http://www.julia-goerges.com/Turnierkalender.21.0.html) refer to Texas Open, it’s more likely that Julia withdraw.

Vikapower
Jul 27th, 2011, 11:50 PM
Julia will be playing just now against Sabine and Sam, a reminder for those who would like to watch. ;)

In my opinion doubles gives reasonably good practice in three areas: Serving under pressure, returning under pressure, and volleying.

Good doubles specialists almost always have good returns, but rallying (i.e. hitting and moving together) is usually their weakpoint when they try to play against top singles players.

Thanks and hopefully but I'm more concerned of her game off the ground, you see in keeping an exchange and things like that -- she really was completely off in that department making very very easy UEs. :shrug: I don't know how doubles might help here there.

Tennis Observer
Jul 28th, 2011, 01:12 AM
QF: [3]Goerges/Záhlavová-Strýcová def Wimbledon Runner Up Lisicki/Stosur 26 64 [105]

:worship::worship::worship:

Specter
Jul 28th, 2011, 01:14 AM
After that routine first set I did not see Stosicki losing this, but Jule and Barbora ripped it away from them and that's worthy of praise.

Vikapower
Jul 28th, 2011, 01:27 AM
Julia is now 3-0 to Sam. :oh:

18majors
Jul 28th, 2011, 01:18 PM
I look forward to Julia going deep next week at Carlbad.

Ayumilover.
Jul 28th, 2011, 03:23 PM
Julia told me today via fan mail that she is not worried about the losses. Here is her message to me. ...

Hi Alex,
Thank you for your message.
Yes, first round in California was not the way I wanted to go, but I am fine.
No, I am not worried about the losses. I feel just fine.
I am still in planning to go to Texas in August, but depending on how it goes in Canada, I might pull out.
Yes, Tyler is a good guy. He is funny.
Thanks for the message and take care.
Jule

Ayumilover.
Jul 28th, 2011, 03:29 PM
I think given what she said, she jsut had an off day, and had a bad prep. I'm sure she'll do much better in San Diego next week.

However, I saw the whole match against Maria as you guys all probably did, and I was really dissapointed. She missed so many shots and her back hand was a liability. She is going for to much on the backhand too soon. I think she's been working on it to make it into a weapon but its not there yet. Her serve was also non-existent for much of the match. Oh well. Finaly, her movement was awful if you compare it to the way Maria was retrieving. She needs to work on the defense. And oh..the moonball bh to set up the big forehand was also not working. I don't know if its just that it was not clay, or becuase Kirilenko wasn't budging, but something didn't work. I just think that in general, she looked shaky.

Skoo
Jul 28th, 2011, 03:52 PM
Julia told me today via fan mail that she is not worried about the losses. Here is her message to me. ...

Hi Alex,
Thank you for your message.
Yes, first round in California was not the way I wanted to go, but I am fine.
No, I am not worried about the losses. I feel just fine.
I am still in planning to go to Texas in August, but depending on how it goes in Canada, I might pull out.
Yes, Tyler is a good guy. He is funny.
Thanks for the message and take care.
Jule

What's fan mail and who's Tyler? :lol:

Ayumilover.
Jul 28th, 2011, 04:07 PM
What's fan mail and who's Tyler? :lol:

Ok, fan mail goes through her website. She won't respond unless she knows who you are, and even then, she's only replied to me like 3 out of maybe 10 times :lol:
Tyler is my friend from Germany who works on her webpage and for one of her sponsors. They also are the head of her facebook page.

Skoo
Jul 28th, 2011, 04:14 PM
Ok, fan mail goes through her website. She won't respond unless she knows who you are, and even then, she's only replied to me like 3 out of maybe 10 times :lol:

Oh my, so you know her? :worship: :)

Ayumilover.
Jul 28th, 2011, 04:19 PM
Hahah I wish! No I don't really know her, we just have a mutual friend but i'm hoping that I can train with her maybe next year. that might be delusional though.

Skoo
Jul 28th, 2011, 04:36 PM
Hahah I wish! No I don't really know her, we just have a mutual friend but i'm hoping that I can train with her maybe next year. that might be delusional though.

Let's move this on chat. I'll reply to you there.

Vikapower
Jul 28th, 2011, 05:09 PM
The seeds for San Diego have been posted on GM and Julia is #7 -- Clijsters, Caro and Petra withdrew from the tournament... it's a very very weak field but if you want my opinion, the perfect occasion for Julia to finally get a result on the US Open HCs. :shrug: Julia won Stuttgart and San Diego is of the same category, I just feel like dreaming. :sobbing:

Banditoo
Jul 28th, 2011, 05:16 PM
Julia with San Diego title is only dream... :sad:

Skoo
Jul 28th, 2011, 05:34 PM
Well, it should have been easier at Bad Gastein and we saw what happened there. If she doesn't get her first serve in more, there will probably be only one match again. Or maybe she will be able to rally all of a sudden :)

Malkmus_
Jul 28th, 2011, 06:36 PM
Disappointing loss. Hopefully she can do better at San Diego. :cheer:

18majors
Jul 29th, 2011, 01:22 PM
Julia will do better at Carlbad.

Root
Jul 30th, 2011, 01:15 AM
Bottom half of San Diego:

Hantuchova v bye
Scheepers v Zahlavova Strycova
Lucic v Zheng
Vinci v Jovanovski

Gajdosova v Kudryatseva
Q v Mc Hale
Oudin v Baltacha
Radwanska v bye

Goerges v Bye
Zhang v Stephens
Paszek v Halep
Marino v Kirilenko

Vesnina v Q
Razzano v Hradecka
Makarova v Glatch
Petkovic v Bye

Ayumilover.
Jul 30th, 2011, 02:27 AM
Hopefully she plays Shuai for my sake, and then revenge on Maria would be nice. Finals is reachable for sure.

Vikapower
Jul 30th, 2011, 05:19 AM
:shrug: Julia's draw looks really correct...

Banditoo
Jul 30th, 2011, 05:23 AM
[7] Goerges - bye
Zhang - Stephens
Paszek - Halep
[11] Kirilenko - Marino

[14] Vesnina - Q
Hradecka - Razzano
Makarova - Glatch
[2] Petkovic - bye

Kirilenko in Third round again. Possible 1/4 with Petkovic. More easy draw than Stanford.

joy division
Jul 30th, 2011, 06:45 AM
At the moment her game is very shaky, and she can loose to any opponent on a bad day.
Therefore I don`t expect to much for this tournament.

Happily she`s got some more competition with Barbora in doubles at Stanford, and o lot of time for practicing on hard court, to get used to the conditions in every way.
Despite the surface at Carlsbad is slower, this is good for her.
She seems to be healthy, no jet lag anymore.
So, why she shouldn`t play better and more confident now ?
All the best for Julia at Carlsbad !!!

Michael!
Jul 30th, 2011, 08:42 AM
ah, well, we´ll see, already Stephens could be tough but her latest results weren´t that impressive, still I would prefer the Chinese as 2nd round opponent, 3rd round would be already decent and would definitely help Julia, draw in general isn´t that bad but Julia needs to be in good shape to take this chance here....good luck :)

and as I said, I am already satisfied if she reached 3rd round here => not that difficult with a 1st round BYE :p

Tennis Observer
Jul 30th, 2011, 12:54 PM
[...] the surface at Carlsbad is slower, this is good for her. [...]
I concur that a very fast surface does not support Julia's playing style [according to reports DecoTurf II at Lindner Family Tennis Center in Cincinnati,OH (elevation: 147 m) should be fast].

But I have no idea if plexi-pave acrylic surface (ITF Court Surface classification: medium-fast (http://www.itftennis.com/technical/equipment/courts/courtlist.asp)) used at Taube Tennis Center at Stanford, CA (elevation: 23 m) is siginficant faster than DecoColour (http://www.decoturf.com/news.html) (ITF Court Surface classification: medium-fast) used at Carlsbad Tennis Resort (elevation: 16 m).

:shrug: Julia's draw looks really correct...
As Julia targets Top 20 at season end, a QF (and above) at premier event at Carlsbad will make it easier for her to achieve this goal.
As # 7 seed her placement within the draw is determent by the placement of the seeds (assuming no seed is sidelined earlier):

R1: Bye (for # 1 to # 8 seed)
R2: Unseeded player (= Shuai Zhang or [WC]Sloane Stephens)
R3 (= 60 points): Group # 9 - # 12 seeded player (= Roberta Vinci, Flavia Pennetta, Maria Kirilenko or Sabine Lisicki)
QF (= 120 points): Seeds # 1 – 4 (= Vera Zvonareva, Andrea Petković , Agnieszka Radwańska or Shuai Peng)

I consider to play against Shuai Zhang (# 85 – H2H 1:0 ( http://www.wtatennis.com/headtohead/julia-goerges_2255881_12610/0,,12781~12610~11069,00.html) Q2 USO 2007) or [WC]Sloane Stephens (# 128, first meeting) for 60 points as a very good opportunity. Next up should be [11]Maria Kirilenko (# 25) who have to play against Rebecca Marino (# 41) and the winner from Tamira Paszek (# 42 ) – Simona Halep (# 55) in earlier rounds. For me, Julia’s success depends primarily on the quality of her first service: If she is able to be in command and don’t let her opponent offer the opportunity to attack it than her results will improve quickly!

But let’s wait: Julia & Barbora have another appointment this night against Victoria & Maria (according to her HP (http://www.julia-goerges.com/index.php?id=10&L=1)) on the way to the final:

SF 721K Stanford, CA:

[3]Julia Goerges (GER)/Barbora Záhlavová-Strýcová (CZE) vs [2]Victoria Azarenka (BLR)/Maria Kirilenko (RUS)
2nd match after 10 pm German Time

All the best, but nothing to lose!

Vikapower
Jul 30th, 2011, 02:19 PM
^^ Thanks TennisObserver, I finally got a chance to watch the draw in whole and Julia in the Stuttgart version of herself would probably make it to the QF or SF with the highest seed in her draw, Andrea but it's very hard to tell with which we're going to deal. Carlsbad's draw is slightly bigger, 56 draw opposed to Stuttgart but it's a Premier event so I really do hope that she does well.

I concur that a very fast surface does not support Julia's playing style [according to reports DecoTurf II at Lindner Family Tennis Center in Cincinnati,OH (elevation: 147 m) should be fast].

But I have no idea if plexi-pave acrylic surface (ITF Court Surface classification: medium-fast (http://www.itftennis.com/technical/equipment/courts/courtlist.asp)) used at Taube Tennis Center at Stanford, CA (elevation: 23 m) is siginficant faster than DecoColour (http://www.decoturf.com/news.html) (ITF Court Surface classification: medium-fast) used at Carlsbad Tennis Resort (elevation: 16 m).

Visually, the courts of Stanford seemed to be very very quick, perhaps it's the perspective at which the court if filmed that gives that impression... I think both courts are quick at equal heights but as you mentioned they have certain tricks .

Personally I still believe hard as iron that Julia can do well on Decoturf if only she regained her consistency -- Luxembourg and Linz are both Decoturf surfaces, indoor but Decoturf surfaces to be more precise, they use DecoColor, A, classification 2 medium-fast and in the first she made QF losing to Ana and the 2nd she made the F.

She didn't look that much uncomfortable on DecoColor or anything -- she was striking all her shots with confidence, cutting the trajectories, hitting plenty of winners -- she even defeated Petra in a demo and Petra is known for her skills on very quick surfaces, she didn't seem to be in lack of time etc... :shrug:

Now for sure the inconsistent Julia will have trouble on the surface but I just wished she brought her best, I mean by her best the Julia we saw on clay composed, consistent, playing efficiently etc... and I hope it'll be in Carlsbad.

Julia's problem is her mentality ; you can supposedly suck on a surface but if you come with the right state of mind then there's always a manner to do well we saw that for example on grass where she made the 3rd. round.

18majors
Jul 30th, 2011, 02:34 PM
Good luck, Julia.

joy division
Jul 30th, 2011, 03:01 PM
Thanks to Tennis Observer for the WTA link of the surfaces.
Does anybody know, which material they use at the coming hard court tournaments ?

Vikapower
Jul 30th, 2011, 03:58 PM
^^

Actually on the US Open series the common surface used is DecoTurf... you musn't get fooled by all the huge different types of denominations because sometimes it's basically the same surfaces but engineered by different enterprises or sometimes it's almost the same surface but a different product from the same enterprise.

The US Open series uses basically 2 different types of surfaces for their events : DecoTurf and Plexiplave :

- DecoColor is just a product of DecoTurf it's the different colorizers that they use that has it take this denomination, DecoColor is Cat. 4 Medium-fast and it's the surface used for example at Osaka, Luxembourg, Linz etc... depending on the surfacing, these surfaces can go from Cat. 3 to Cat. 5 and their denominations change equally Decoturf (Cat. 3), DecoColor (Cat.4) and Pro DecoTurf (Cat. 5)

As I told you depending on the tournament and what speed they want to make their courts then they'll chose one of the products for example US Open uses Pro Decoturf cat. 5 whilst China Open will use the same surface but with less speed Decoturf (Cat. 3).

- Now for Plexiplave it's the same principle... for the tournaments that lead up to the Australian Open, they use PlexiPlave and there's a denomination of it called PlexiCushion they are approximatively the same though technically they both have their own properties in terms of speed, bounce etc... Plexiplave is Cat. 4 and it's the surface used at Memphis, IW (Note : IW uses a special surface called PlexiPlave IW Cat. 2) and Stanford.

Plexicushion is the surface used in the tournaments that lead up to the Australian Open : Brisbane, Auckland, Hobart, Sydney and AO who uses Plexicushion Prestige AO these are Cat. 4.

Now what are the real technical differences between PlexiCushion and PlexiPlave (speed, bounce...) I don't know but PlexiCushion from my knowledge supports heat better and the main reason that decided the AO to change.

In my proper opinion (not based on any technical facts) PlexiCushion bounces higher than it's sibling PlexiPlave which skids more... I will try to dig out the numbers to post them eventually.

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Stanford -- PlexiPlave -- Cat. 4
Carlsbad -- DecoColor -- Cat. 4
Toronto -- Decoturf -- Cat. 3 ?
Cincinnati -- Decoturf -- Cat. 3 ?
New Haven -- Decoturf -- Cat. 3
US Open -- Pro DecoTurf -- Cat. 5

---> If I said anything wrong please correct. :)

Banditoo
Jul 30th, 2011, 04:11 PM
^^^ Are have court more fast than Pro DecoTurf?
What use in Miami and IW?
Thank you! :)

Vikapower
Jul 30th, 2011, 04:33 PM
^^^ Are have court more fast than Pro DecoTurf?
What use in Miami and IW?
Thank you! :)

:lol: To be honest I don't know if there's any faster than Pro DecoTurf but there are many who are as fast... Miami uses a surface called Laykold Cat. 2 and IW as I said uses PlexiPave IW which is a special surface made for the tournament Cat. 2. ;) -- Cat.2 is Medium-slow -- it is often ironically stated that this surfaces have the properties of clay. :lol:

joy division
Jul 30th, 2011, 09:15 PM
Thank you very much for your extended informations.:yeah: I had to leave for some hours, so I couldn`t post earlier.

Ayumilover.
Jul 31st, 2011, 01:04 AM
Carlsbad is definitely slower than Stanford.

Zhang will be the tougher match-up for Julia because Shuai is much more consistent and could absorb her pace.

Banditoo
Jul 31st, 2011, 06:11 AM
I think Cincinnati is like a US Open - cat.5

18majors
Jul 31st, 2011, 12:51 PM
Julia, have a good run at Carlsbad.

Banditoo
Jul 31st, 2011, 01:21 PM
Julia will play in Dallas! :tape:
She is will be a 1st seeded.

Skoo
Jul 31st, 2011, 02:01 PM
Julia will play in Dallas! :tape:
She is will be a 1st seeded.

No, she won't, because she will win Cincinnati :aparty:

Banditoo
Jul 31st, 2011, 02:43 PM
No, she won't, because she will win Cincinnati :aparty:

Julia will win Toronto, baybe. Cinci is for Venus. :lick::lol:

Ayumilover.
Jul 31st, 2011, 04:57 PM
She won't bve the top seed...her ranking is at 20 so a couple players are ahead of her now. :(

Skoo
Jul 31st, 2011, 07:21 PM
Julia will win Toronto, baybe. Cinci is for Venus. :lick::lol:

Your Venus had enough. Now Julia will get them both :devil: :lol:

She won't bve the top seed...her ranking is at 20 so a couple players are ahead of her now. :(

Well, she was doing better when not among the top seeds. Maybe that's good.

Tennis Observer
Jul 31st, 2011, 11:15 PM
Julia will play Doubles with Barbora at 721K Carlsbad again; unfortunately they will meet [1]Květa Peschke/Katarina Srebotnik in opening round.

Doubles Draw (http://www.mercuryinsuranceopen.com/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=BDDlh4H_myA%3d&tabid=104)

18majors
Aug 1st, 2011, 01:05 PM
Go deep in Singles, Julia.

#kArLoS#
Aug 1st, 2011, 08:54 PM
Julia needs to get her act together,and soon :tape:

I have to say,that having a 1st round BYE doesn´t make her any goods right now,because she needs to play matches,get some rhythm and some wins to rebuild her confidence.Still,the field isn´t anywhere near unbeatable,so if she plays some decent tennis,she might as well be able to go far.Anyway,good luck,Frau Görges :yeah:

Malkmus_
Aug 1st, 2011, 10:41 PM
Good luck Julia! Win some matches please :sobbing:

Vikapower
Aug 1st, 2011, 11:23 PM
Barbora and Julia lost in doubles : 6-4 7-6^5

Ayumilover.
Aug 2nd, 2011, 01:54 AM
Lmao wow Julia can go suck an egg.
Jk, but actually i'm sort of glad she lost in doubles.
Gives her more time to think about singles. A win here puts her into the top 15. but can she do it?
eh...i don't think so :sad:

18majors
Aug 2nd, 2011, 12:32 PM
Julia should handle either Zhang or Stephens, she is due to play a good match.

Michael!
Aug 2nd, 2011, 10:03 PM
Julia plays Sloane Stephens in 2nd round ( won 64 62 against Zhang)
Tough first match for Julia, Stephens has no consistency as most of the young US girls but she has some great results here and there, and especially in front of the homecrowd such girls are dangerous, hopefully Julia will be ready for the match tomorrow, she needs her serve, then she should win it, good luck!

Ayumilover.
Aug 2nd, 2011, 10:31 PM
No! :bigcry: I wanted to see Julia vs. Shaui :mad:

Ayumilover.
Aug 2nd, 2011, 10:35 PM
http://assets.usta.com/assets/628/15/Mercury_Insurance_Open_224W.jpg

Carlsbad, USA - 2nd Round
Julia Goerges vs. Sloane Stephens (USA)
Head to Head: First Match

Tennis Observer
Aug 2nd, 2011, 10:38 PM
[WC]Sloane Stevens' (# 113) seven wins against Top 100 players so far:


Lucie Hradecká (# 67) R1 Indian Wells 2010
Evgeniya Rodina (# 76) Q1 Miami 2011
Alberta Brianti (# 77) R1 Bastad 2010
Melanie Oudin (# 88) R1 Esoril 2011 & R2 75K Nottingham 2011
Arantxa Parra Santonja (# 88) Q2 Indian Wells 2010
Anastasia Pivovarova (# 93) Q3 French Open 2011

Vikapower
Aug 3rd, 2011, 12:39 AM
Julia plays Sloane Stephens in 2nd round ( won 64 62 against Zhang)
Tough first match for Julia, Stephens has no consistency as most of the young US girls but she has some great results here and there, and especially in front of the homecrowd such girls are dangerous, hopefully Julia will be ready for the match tomorrow, she needs her serve, then she should win it, good luck!

I don't know much about Sloane but hopefully it'll be a good 1st round for Julia.

Ayumilover.
Aug 3rd, 2011, 12:42 AM
I don't know much about Sloane but hopefully it'll be a good 1st round for Julia.

ball-basher.

18majors
Aug 3rd, 2011, 01:51 PM
Sloane has powerful serves and FH's but is prone to UE's. Julia should be OK.

Vikapower
Aug 3rd, 2011, 03:19 PM
ball-basher.

:lol: Thanks... :lol:

Anyways not much going on here lately, no discussions whatsoever !? :lol: Anyways Jula is in first match today, good luck lovely :cheer:

Wednesday, August 3, 2011

Stadium Court (from 10.00hrs)
1. Julia Goerges vs. Sloane Stephens
2. Daniela Hantuchova vs. Barbora Zahlavova Strycova (NB 12.00hrs)
3. Ayumi Morita vs. Ana Ivanovic
4. Coco Vandeweghe vs. Olga Savchuk
5. Sabine Lisicki vs. Kimiko Date-Krumm (NB 19.00hrs)
6. Kops-Jones/Spears vs. Glatch/Vandeweghe

joy division
Aug 3rd, 2011, 04:04 PM
Julia needs a lift now, and I hope she can prevail today against Sloane, no matter how.
If not, she has completely bungled the start into the US Open Series 2011.
Following Vikapower`s description, Sloane seems to have similar problems as Julia at times.
That might not be the badest precondition for this match.
Julia should be the more experienced player on this stage, and if she can hold her nerves together, she should take this.
But as we know, she still is able to beat herself at the moment with nearly every opponent,
but Julia, not today, please !:fiery:

Skoo
Aug 3rd, 2011, 04:04 PM
Anyways not much going on here lately, no discussions whatsoever !? :lol: Anyways Jula is in first match today, good luck lovely :cheer:

I for one feel a rather bitter taste talking about her after that last performance. I have no more hopes. At least not for this season :sad:

joy division
Aug 3rd, 2011, 04:12 PM
I for one feel a rather bitter taste talking about her after that last performance. I have no more hopes. At least not for this season :sad:

Skoo, you are definitely realistic, but too pessimistic at the same time.:lol:

Skoo
Aug 3rd, 2011, 04:21 PM
Skoo, you are definitely realistic, but too pessimistic at the same time.:lol:

I was optimistic when I saw it as a matter of consistency. But Makiri managed to prove the haters are not quite wrong. She's not a good player. Not yet at least. And all the talks we had on the cheering thread emphasized how many flaws she has. Even if she wins today, Makiri will definitely beat her again. And one match won in over a month can make you pessimistic :)

joy division
Aug 3rd, 2011, 04:53 PM
I was optimistic when I saw it as a matter of consistency. But Makiri managed to prove the haters are not quite wrong. She's not a good player. Not yet at least. And all the talks we had on the cheering thread emphasized how many flaws she has. Even if she wins today, Makiri will definitely beat her again. And one match won in over a month can make you pessimistic :)

I think, she is a good player, and she proved it in the clay season.
Julia`s rise came out of the blue, after having lost before at several unimportant tournaments in the first round before.
I don`t think she`s just a clay-courter, and she possibly can surprise us with good performances again, and, concerning Makiri, if she gets through tonight, who knows...?
That`s the upside of this sport.:wavey:

Skoo
Aug 3rd, 2011, 05:11 PM
I think, she is a good player, and she proved it in the clay season.
Julia`s rise came out of the blue, after having lost before at several unimportant tournaments in the first round before.
I don`t think she`s just a clay-courter, and she possibly can surprise us with good performances again, and, concerning Makiri, if she gets through tonight, who knows...?
That`s the upside of this sport.:wavey:

Actually she didn't. Her victory over Bartoli would have been more significant (not to mention one over Vika). The haters are right. There wouldn't have been any fuss about her if not for Vika's injury.

Vikapower
Aug 3rd, 2011, 07:14 PM
Well wasn't expecting that loss :facepalm: I really don't know if she's in a slump or not but she really needs to take back herself.

San Diego had a perfect draw for her to get some couple of training on Deco even if she didn't win the event, such a waste !

I for one feel a rather bitter taste talking about her after that last performance. I have no more hopes. At least not for this season :sad:

:lol: ROFL come on, the season is very very long still and there's plenty of tennis to be played, lol you can't hamper Julia's season from 1 or 2 losses relatively from a same period of time and this is oh so not sufficient to pull conclusions - there's still plenty of time to get herself back on track.

If I recall well this year after Fed Cup she decides to make extensive play on clay and completely lost the plot this time she plays in Bad Gastein, there's a 1-2 week break to Stanford and here she has completely lost the plot again. Seriously looks like it needs very very little for the machinery to derail, Julia ! :o

Tennis Observer
Aug 3rd, 2011, 07:21 PM
With Julia’s loss against American rising star Sloane Stephens (http://www.wtatennis.com/gallery/20110803/carlsbad-gallery-off-court-in-the-sun_2256674_2409314?imageNo=3#picture) (her first Top 20 win) in her first match at Carlsbad, it’s very unlikely that she will be a top tier seed at GS for the second consecutive time; as approx. 265 points requires one QF either in Toronto or in Cincinnati which looks way too ambitious to me:

Tournament Tier Seed Result points net points
Toronto P5 - QF 225 224
Cincinnati P5 - R2 70 69
However, at this stage it’s much more important for you Julia to gain confidence again.

Vikapower
Aug 3rd, 2011, 07:23 PM
^^ Yes, Toronto and Cincinnati will be very complicated, San Diego really had the correct draw for her there and she has failed to take advantage, really don't know what to expect from 2 P5's -- Julia is now 7-17 on HCs in Premier events after today just really pathetic.

BTW if I'm not mistaken Julia will loose 40 points on her ranking on Monday since she was defending Copenhagen 2010 in San Diego and her 16th best result is Bogota 2011 30 points... She should still be top 20 though because of Shahar.

Tennis Observer
Aug 3rd, 2011, 07:46 PM
If you look at this table (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19974980&postcount=1) it might be possible, that Julia will be out of Top 20 next week.

joy division
Aug 3rd, 2011, 08:05 PM
As feared another disappointing loss, and it`s questionable, whether she can move something on hard court this year. This looks a bit like a crisis, after the high fly of spring.
Julia can`t keep pace with Andrea and Sabine, that`s very pity.:sad:
Cheer up, and work hard, Julia ! There will be better days again.

Vikapower
Aug 3rd, 2011, 08:18 PM
If you look at this table (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19974980&postcount=1) it might be possible, that Julia will be out of Top 20 next week.

Ok thanks :wavey: So if I understand well it depends of Daniela and Sabine and how far they'll get into the event !? I wished Julia would stay top 20 and the US Open series would have been such a good opportunity to stick closer to the top 10, I really hope she finds something going quickly. :(

tennisgermanyy
Aug 3rd, 2011, 08:29 PM
i don't think, that it's a crisis...she just played 3 bad matches...and remember the time after the australian open, when she played a few bad tournaments like bogota, acapulco,monterrey and so on. i think the turn-around was in charleston when she beat birnerova after defending several mps...maybe she needs a match like this to gain confidence(or maybe a match against wozniacki?:D)...by the way, i can't wait for her "match report"...probably something like "lost a tough match to stephens. felt a bit ill and my teeth hurt"...at least she can't write "1 win and 1 loss today" like she did in stanford:D

Ayumilover.
Aug 3rd, 2011, 08:37 PM
Disgusting result :mad:
What the heck is wrong?!

Vikapower
Aug 3rd, 2011, 08:40 PM
i don't think, that it's a crisis...she just played 3 bad matches...and remember the time after the australian open, when she played a few bad tournaments like bogota, acapulco,monterrey and so on. i think the turn-around was in charleston when she beat birnerova after defending several mps...maybe she needs a match like this to gain confidence(or maybe a match against wozniacki?:D)...by the way, i can't wait for her "match report"...probably something like "lost a tough match to stephens. felt a bit ill and my teeth hurt"...at least she can't write "1 win and 1 loss today" like she did in stanford:D

Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking... :lol: In fact I wrote it on GM but here it is :

Julia needs to find her form again, it's incredible how with her the slightest little thing can complete derail her game now she's in one of these patches where she incapable of doing anything relevant on court until when she finds her other Birenerova to finally make something happen in the US Open series, hopefully.

Just watch her transitioning this year from plexi to US HCs in between is a pure catastrophe, from US to clay brilliant, from clay to grass in between average and from Grass (Bad Gastein clay) to plexiplave/decolor in between complete catastrophe (Bad Gastein then Stanford, Carls) ; so we could expect a return in form around Cincinnati or New Haven if never she plays there. Come on Julia !

tennisgermanyy
Aug 3rd, 2011, 08:44 PM
oh right, didn't see it;)

Skoo
Aug 3rd, 2011, 08:45 PM
Disgusting result :mad:
What the heck is wrong?!

Like everything :)

Ayumilover.
Aug 3rd, 2011, 08:47 PM
Did anyone see the match? Or have stats?

Break My Rapture
Aug 3rd, 2011, 08:55 PM
Well I don't exactly know what to say after this loss. I hope she clears whatever's wrong out very soon.

joy division
Aug 3rd, 2011, 09:52 PM
i don't think, that it's a crisis...she just played 3 bad matches...and remember the time after the australian open, when she played a few bad tournaments like bogota, acapulco,monterrey and so on. i think the turn-around was in charleston when she beat birnerova after defending several mps...maybe she needs a match like this to gain confidence(or maybe a match against wozniacki?:D)...by the way, i can't wait for her "match report"...probably something like "lost a tough match to stephens. felt a bit ill and my teeth hurt"...at least she can't write "1 win and 1 loss today" like she did in stanford:D

You`re right, there`s actually no room for empty excuses and strange statements.
Mal sehen, was sie diesmal auf Lager hat.

HowardH
Aug 3rd, 2011, 09:53 PM
So up and down, so up and down. I mean, it's normal for most of the wta, but she needs to be a little more consistent than this if she want to go one step further.

CillyUltra
Aug 3rd, 2011, 10:11 PM
Julia on Twitter:
hi guys.lost my match today.the way i played was much better than last week+i am working hard on it.going back on the practice court soon! but all credit to sloane,she played a pretty good match+thats what u always wanna have.good matches+good competition-makes u even stronger!

joy division
Aug 3rd, 2011, 10:56 PM
Julia on Twitter:

All credits for her, that she`s always so polite towards her opponent, and so confident even after defeats.
The last sentence sounds a bit like a call for perseverance.

Vikapower
Aug 3rd, 2011, 11:30 PM
Julia on Twitter:

Well you know the performance in Stanford was really very horrendous so she could have only done better :lol: but I wished the better allowed her to win the match against Sloane and not the other way around.

Ayumilover.
Aug 4th, 2011, 12:47 AM
Well it's a good sign that she is already on twitter after losing to someone outside the top 100.

Ayumilover.
Aug 4th, 2011, 03:04 AM
The number of haters that she has gotten lately is astonishing to me. GM is being a bitch now. She goes on a minnie slump and all of a sudden, everything was a fluke. wow, ok.

Saralah.
Aug 4th, 2011, 03:40 AM
Some people in GM hide their lack of knowledge behind retarded terms, fluke being only one of them. She did good at the beginning of the year because she was playing well, that's all. Most idiots camp in GM that's why I hate posting there. Her results are disappointing at the moment but hopefully she figures out what's wrong soon and corrects it. That's all we can say. All we can do is keep supporting her even if we're not happy with the way she plays :shrug:.

Tennis Observer
Aug 4th, 2011, 08:54 AM
[...] So if I understand well it depends of Daniela and Sabine and how far they'll get into the event !? I wished Julia would stay top 20 and the US Open series would have been such a good opportunity to stick closer to the top 10, […]
If either Sabine Lisicki or Daniela Hantuchová will play for the Championship, Julia will be out of Top 20 on Monday. However, Julia is already out of Top 20 within the season (“Race”) for the first time after Madrid 2011.

Carlsbad 2011 offers an excellent opportunity for all players in climbing up the ladder but Julia missed it. Looking at her WTA results after Madrid (= no single win in all four of her tournament of choices she played) even with a telescope she will not recognize Top 10. But in all fairness, she never talked about that.
[...] i can't wait for her "match report"...probably something like "lost a tough match to stephens. felt a bit ill and my teeth hurt"...at least she can't write "1 win and 1 loss today" like she did in stanford:D
You`re right, there`s actually no room for empty excuses and strange statements. [...]
IMO Julia is not out of touch and recognizes her shortcomings.

She never blamed her loss against Laura Pos-Tio at Bad Gastein 2011 on twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/juliagoerges/status/91082762014035968) with fatigue. At tournaments press conference (http://www.dropshotdispatch.com/2011/07/12/julia-goerges-upset-in-first-round-at-gastein-ladies-open/) (Julia was not only defending champion but tournament also sweetened her participation) she said that she played one of her worst matches in her professional career and spoke about anti-inflammatory medication she was taking after dental surgery for causing her fatigue during this match.

At Stanford, Julia figured out that because of her mishits Maria was able to demolish her badly. Later she informed us via twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/juliagoerges/status/96404695811244033) that she will practice a lot and hard these days and trying to improve and getting.

As Ayumilover. pointed out (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19984613&postcount=166), Julia was very early in “reporting” her upset on twitter. She also didn’t look too discouraged in her press meeting ( http://www.wtatennis.com/news/20110803/peng-ivanovic-move-ahead-goerges-upset_2256076_2409638):

"I was just playing my game and going for it the whole match and obviously it's not working well right now […]. I have to give all the credit to Sloane. She didn't give me any free points. But the way I was hitting the ball still felt good to me. I lost the match, but it was the right way for me to play."
So up and down, so up and down. I mean, it's normal for most of the wta, but she needs to be a little more consistent than this if she want to go one step further.
Well said!

IMO it’s not only beating a dead horse to blame Julia about her inconsistency (for those interested in that matter look at results of Top 10 players Na Li between AO & Madrid & Petra Kvitova between Dubai & Madrid for example) but also doesn’t explain her upsets: While I put losses like those Melanie Oudin look-a-likes into the bad-day-drawer I am confident that Julia learned a lot from her loss against Maria Kirilenko: She will work very hard to services the ball into the box and to reduce her mishits. Right now she is too fault-prone.
The number of haters that she has gotten lately is astonishing to me. GM is being a bitch now. She goes on a minnie slump and all of a sudden, everything was a fluke. wow, ok.
Unfortunately there is a lot of name calling (eg clown; talentless, worthless player; a clown with no backhand; overhyped clown; brainless ballbasher; overrated German; a joke of a player; screw-up; Ivanovic 2.0; mugs; but little opinions & point of views.

dane
Aug 4th, 2011, 12:14 PM
:oh:

18majors
Aug 4th, 2011, 01:10 PM
Julia has a healthy mental attitude, she will recover.

Vikapower
Aug 4th, 2011, 01:24 PM
If either Sabine Lisicki or Daniela Hantuchová will play for the Championship, Julia will be out of Top 20 on Monday. However, Julia is already out of Top 20 within the season (“Race”) for the first time after Madrid 2011.

Carlsbad 2011 offers an excellent opportunity for all players in climbing up the ladder but Julia missed it. Looking at her WTA results after Madrid (= no single win in all four of her tournament of choices she played) even with a telescope she will not recognize Top 10. But in all fairness, she never talked about that.

Ok, thanks for the insight, I think it's reasonable to think that one of Sabine or Daniela will make it to the final especially Sabine when watching her performance from Stuttgart.

Anyways the RACE is an indicator of Julia's performance on the season and the simple fact that she's regressing in it shows what she's up to right now, 3 consecutive 1st round loses.

I would like for Julia to take part in YEC Bali for the end of the season. She still hasn't won an International event yet but could be the beneficiary of a WC -- that said that's not our main worry right now. :oh:

Some people in GM hide their lack of knowledge behind retarded terms, fluke being only one of them. She did good at the beginning of the year because she was playing well, that's all. Most idiots camp in GM that's why I hate posting there. Her results are disappointing at the moment but hopefully she figures out what's wrong soon and corrects it. That's all we can say. All we can do is keep supporting her even if we're not happy with the way she plays :shrug:.

:lol: Just on the term of fluke that brings me a laugh, many times words are used on GM just to name call without the intrinsic definition about them but anyways I hope Julia also finds what's going wrong right now and corrects it ASAP.

The number of haters that she has gotten lately is astonishing to me. GM is being a bitch now. She goes on a minnie slump and all of a sudden, everything was a fluke. wow, ok.

:lol: With Julia since Stuttgart it has constantly been like that now, I think most of the haters expected worlds and wonders from her and she didn't reach to their expectations so they're bitching about it, that makes a lot, these kinds of haters are band-wagoners who jumped on when Julia was defeating Caro and having success etc...

Personally I careless about that and I only would reply to a hater if I found something said that is not really right otherwise the childish name-callings : fluke, one tournament wonder etc... doesn't deserve any time special from my part. :lol:

Tennis Observer
Aug 4th, 2011, 03:29 PM
Julia's letter to us from Carlsbad, CA (http://www.julia-goerges.com/index.php?id=10&L=1):

Hello Fans,

unfortunately I lost my singles today against a great playing Sloane Stephens. But the way I was playing the match was much better than last week. I am on the right track. I need to be patient now and work hard again every day. I went straight back on the practice court in the afternoon to work more on those little things which are not 100% at the moment, so that I get better and better every day. It is just a matter of time when it will end with a win.

We will fly on Friday to Toronto, where my physio Gabriel will be also there up to the US Open.
Until Friday we will practice a lot and hard here so that we can go with another good feeling into the WTA-Tournament in Toronto, a $2.050.000 event.

Regards from Carlsbad

Jule

Specter
Aug 4th, 2011, 03:54 PM
:oh:

I usually don't bad rep. But you've done it this time...

Skoo
Aug 4th, 2011, 05:49 PM
"It is just a matter of time when it will end with a win"

Phew, and I was starting to think that's not gonna happen again. Hey, maybe there will even be two of them! :lol: This is like when she said she learned a lot from the match against Cibulkova. Don't believe her! :)

tennisgermanyy
Aug 4th, 2011, 06:58 PM
from wta...

"I was just playing my game and going for it the whole match and obviously it's not working well right now.I have to give all the credit to Sloane. She didn't give me any free points.But the way I was hitting the ball still felt good to me. I lost the match, but it was the right way for me to play."

come on,even if she lost to player,who's not even in the top 100, the way she hit the ball still felt good to her, so everything is okay:D

but, seriously,if she realizes that her game doesn't work well, why doesn't she change anything?i mean,i really like her agressive game,because it's just a joy to watch (when she plays well;)), but if she notices that nothing really works, why doesn't she just change anything??? because if she tries to end every rallye with a winner,it's hardly surprising that she can make many errors on a bad day. sometimes i wish, she would have a bit more wozniacki in her(even if i don't like caro's style of play...), if you know what i mean...
btw.sorry if there are some grammar mistakes or something like that, i'm just 16 and have to groove my english a bit ;)

Ayumilover.
Aug 4th, 2011, 08:31 PM
@ tennisgermanyy

Welcome to the forum :wavey:
Thanks for supporting Julia :D
Every players game is unique to their own selves, and usually, they achieve the best results when they are able to execute their game the way they want. Clearly from waht Julia said, she was able to play her game, it just didn't work out. However, since it has worked so many times in the past, I think we can all be pretty confident in that she will be back even better. If she changed her game, she might start doubting her abilities (e.g. Ivanovic), and things might go down hill for a longer term, or she just wouldn't be as successful in at times in her career. Trust me, I rather have her play her game and feel good but lose for now, than be passive and win. It will help her out later.

#kArLoS#
Aug 4th, 2011, 08:33 PM
Julia,get it together,please :ras:

Thank you very much ;)

RagingBull99
Aug 4th, 2011, 08:41 PM
I hope she doesn't become the next ALG or Müller. It seems she can't win a match against anyone right now. She shouldn't be THAT bad on hard court.
Her press statements are really weird because it seems like she's ok with losing against a non-top-100 player in straight sets. But maybe she was just like: Blah, blah, blah, i wanna get out outta here, so i'll say something.
Will she be seeded in Toronto? That would probably help her to get a win or two. Or Mathilde Johannson.:tape:
I don't want to wait until indoor season to see her win again.

Tennis Observer
Aug 4th, 2011, 10:58 PM
@ RagingBull99:


I don't know if you had the opportunity to watch Julia's match against Maria Kirilenko at Stanford, CA last week. If not, here are some lines (http://blogs.bettor.com/Maria-Kirilenko-upsets-Julia-Goerges-in-the-1st-round-Bank-of-the-West-Classic-2011-a86711) about this match.
If you read these statements (http://www.tennispanorama.com/archives/15481) from both players after their first meeting and you take into account the way Julia played at Standford, you might judge Julia's comments differently.
After Sloane Stephens sidelined Tamira Paszek (by retirement), she will play her first QF at Premier level against [2]Andrea Petkovic.
Julia will only be seeded at both upcoming P5 events in Tokio and Cincinnati if there are some withdrawals.

crazillo
Aug 5th, 2011, 08:43 AM
Julia needs to develop a Plan B when her A game is lacking. That's her main problem right now.

Malkmus_
Aug 5th, 2011, 11:17 AM
Slumpges :sad:

18majors
Aug 5th, 2011, 12:53 PM
Julia, please treat Toronto as your slump-buster.

rucolo
Aug 5th, 2011, 01:35 PM
Julia is a big fat mess right now :o

I bet her footwork/movement is terrible at the moment :help:

HeySafZvoneRenka
Aug 5th, 2011, 02:12 PM
^ BIG TIME shes on my porbation list w/ the others til she gets her shit together cause i jus cant take these back to back 1st round loses:fiery: :fiery: :fiery:!!!

Vikapower
Aug 5th, 2011, 08:54 PM
If anyone interested they're making Toronto's draw right now on Twitter. ;)

LightsOut!
Aug 5th, 2011, 09:07 PM
Toronto R1

Görges vs. Jankovic

#kArLoS#
Aug 5th, 2011, 09:07 PM
:facepalm:

mk27
Aug 5th, 2011, 09:11 PM
Another tournament without a win :facepalm:

Vikapower
Aug 5th, 2011, 09:12 PM
Toronto R1

Görges vs. Jankovic

Yes :facepalm: just utter superior bad luck at the highest of all ! :o

Vikapower
Aug 5th, 2011, 09:14 PM
@FortyDeuceTwits
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@thedoublebagel @FootFault_ Seriously. Anyone who has seen Gools the last two weeks would never put money on her vs. JJ.

:sobbing:

joy division
Aug 5th, 2011, 09:32 PM
Jankovic`s last performances were not famous at all. It could have come even worse.
There were only a very few easy draws, and Andrea got one of them as usual.

Vikapower
Aug 5th, 2011, 09:34 PM
Jankovic`s last performances were not famous at all. It could have come even worse.
There were only a very few easy draws, and Andrea got one of them as usual.

That's true, Jelena isn't in it mentally or tennis wise anymore but I would have still preferred a less bigger name. :lol:

Ayumilover.
Aug 5th, 2011, 09:39 PM
Ughhhh!!!!!! What a crap draw. I think we have to admit though, the match is in her hands.

Tennis Observer
Aug 5th, 2011, 09:40 PM
Well said, joy division & let see:

[15]Jelena Jankovic (# 15) vs Julia Goerges (# 20) H2H: 2:0 (http://www.wtatennis.com/headtohead/jelena-jankovic_2255881_3932/0,,12781~3932~12610,00.html)
Last meeting: R3 Indian Wells 2011 62 64

JJs last result: R1 Wimbledon 2011: [15]L against Maria Jose Martinez Sanchez (# 76) 75 46 36

joy division
Aug 5th, 2011, 10:30 PM
But Jelena might think exactly the same.
Btw Andrea handled Sloane pretty easily, without doing something extra special.
Hopefully Julia watched it !

Specter
Aug 5th, 2011, 10:31 PM
Toronto R1

Görges vs. Jankovic

Well that just had to happen, didn't it? :lol:

Her road to the QF would likely be JJ, Ree, Medusa. :haha: That is ridiculous!

Vikapower
Aug 5th, 2011, 10:37 PM
The complete draw (http://www.rogerscup.com/women/pdf/draws/MDS_aug5.pdf) - Things really doesn't look that very promising lol ! Guys I have NO hope in Toronto because even if she gets past Rena (...) SUPPOSING she even takes 2 sets from Rena for the W she takes Kimmie next ! :rolls:

I'd be extremely happy if Julia got the win over Jelena and makes a good fight against Rena but Cincinnati hopefully for much more better luck. :lol:

BTW I knew the wasted draw by Julia in Carlsbad was going to get payed for sometime or another. Carlsbad was a pathway to another Stuttgart. Sad. GL Julia anyways ! Make dream happen. :lol:

mk27
Aug 5th, 2011, 10:37 PM
And Serena Williams is waiting in the 2nd round.

joy division
Aug 5th, 2011, 10:44 PM
What has she done, to get such a draw.
Looks like a mission impossible to go deep here.:sad:

Skoo
Aug 5th, 2011, 10:45 PM
Well, maybe at least we'll get to see her on tv once. I miss her :)

Skoo
Aug 5th, 2011, 10:57 PM
Btw Andrea handled Sloane pretty easily, without doing something extra special.
Hopefully Julia watched it !

Sloane was keeping close to Petko in the first games and she kinda looked like the better player. She had the first winner and was strong in rallies. Then she collapsed. It's not hard to imagine why she beat Julia.

Vikapower
Aug 5th, 2011, 11:27 PM
Sloane was keeping close to Petko in the first games and she kinda looked like the better player. She had the first winner and was strong in rallies. Then she collapsed. It's not hard to imagine why she beat Julia.

Didn't see that match but Sloane is very consistent isn't she !? Most people said she was a power hitter... I've never seen her play don't know whom to believe. :lol:

Skoo
Aug 5th, 2011, 11:39 PM
Didn't see that match but Sloane is very consistent isn't she !? Most people said she was a power hitter... I've never seen her play don't know whom to believe. :lol:

It's the first time I see her, so I don't have such a good picture, but she's definitely not a pusher and she can delay the UE more than Julia. I think she had more winners than Petko overall (but they were not many, about 8), because most of the points were won on UEs. After the first four games she started making more UEs while Petko remained the same. In those first games there was not a significant difference between her and Petko. Now, assuming that she didn't give those kind of free points to Julia, as Julia herself said, we can imagine that Julia was the first to make the UE most of the time.

EDIT: Just saw the stats (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19996162&postcount=3) on GM. Julia also had the higher 1st serve %, but probably not when it mattered most. And I bet the UEs were more on her side and that was the key.

Vikapower
Aug 6th, 2011, 12:24 AM
It's the first time I see her, so I don't have such a good picture, but she's definitely not a pusher and she can delay the UE more than Julia. I think she had more winners than Petko overall (but they were not many, about 8), because most of the points were won on UEs. After the first four games she started making more UEs while Petko remained the same. In those first games there was not a significant difference between her and Petko. Now, assuming that she didn't give those kind of free points to Julia, as Julia herself said, we can imagine that Julia was the first to make the UE most of the time.

EDIT: Just saw the stats (http://www.tennisforum.com/showpost.php?p=19996162&postcount=3) on GM. Julia also had the higher 1st serve %, but probably not when it mattered most. And I bet the UEs were more on her side and that was the key.

:lol: Yes thanks, really doesn't look like a beautiful match, 10-31 and 9-17 so if I'm not mistaken Sloane has a total points of 27 to Andrea's 48 so at some point Andrea dominated... :lol:

I made a rapid calculation for the forced errors (0 for Sloane and 8 for Andrea) and it confirms your point on that most of the match was played on UEs -- If I had watched Sloane for the first time I would certainly called her a BBB watching her UE count and incapacity to put pressure on Andrea with the forced errors... :lol:

She was perhaps stressed and Andrea just made less UEs to have the W -- and yes Julia maybe was spraying much more than Sloane, do you have the stats also for that match too !? :)

Skoo
Aug 6th, 2011, 12:56 AM
:lol: Yes thanks, really doesn't look like a beautiful match, 10-31 and 9-17 so if I'm not mistaken Sloane has a total points of 27 to Andrea's 48 so at some point Andrea dominated... :lol:

I made a rapid calculation for the forced errors (0 for Sloane and 8 for Andrea) and it confirms your point on that most of the match was played on UEs -- If I had watched Sloane for the first time I would certainly called her a BBB watching her UE count and incapacity to put pressure on Andrea with the forced errors... :lol:

She was perhaps stressed and Andrea just made less UEs to have the W -- and yes Julia maybe was spraying much more than Sloane, do you have the stats also for that match too !? :)

Yes, it was an ugly match, and yes, Andrea dominated for about 90% of it. But Sloane hit a few very nice winners, including one on Petko's 1st serve. Her style resembles Julia's (at least when it comes to spectacular winners or, put another way, BBB :lol:), but she doesn't seem to have timing problems, therefore she can hold the ball in play longer. There were many relatively long rallies. All in all I kinda liked her :)

You lost my with your calculations, but there was actually a stat on FE towards the end of the match. There were 8 made by Petko and 20 by Sloane. But most of Sloane's were made in the 2nd set when she seemed to have lost anticipation and inspiration. As the Romanian commentator put it, more frustration was coming out of her pores than sweat :)

And Andrea is one of the most consistent players now. She doesn't have interesting tweets and uninteresting game for nothing :)

I don't have the stats for Julia's match. Only those on scoreboard.

HeySafZvoneRenka
Aug 6th, 2011, 12:57 AM
if Julia does not win a match(1st round) on hardcourt.....i would seriously doubt that she would have a bad day at the office in the US open

Vikapower
Aug 6th, 2011, 01:05 AM
Yes, it was an ugly match, and yes, Andrea dominated for about 90% of it. But Sloane hit a few very nice winners, including one on Petko's 1st serve. Her style resembles Julia's (at least when it comes to spectacular winners or, put another way, BBB :lol:), but she doesn't seem to have timing problems, therefore she can hold the ball in play longer. There were many relatively long rallies. All in all I kinda liked her :)

You lost my with your calculations, but there was actually a stat on FE towards the end of the match. There were 8 made by Petko and 20 by Sloane. But most of Sloane's were made in the 2nd set when she seemed to have lost anticipation and inspiration. As the Romanian commentator put it, more frustration was coming out of her pores than sweat :)

And Andrea is one of the most consistent players now. She doesn't have interesting tweets and uninteresting game for nothing :)

I don't have the stats for Julia's match. Only those on scoreboard.

Thanks for the insight :hatoff: The calculations are not that hard and I promise the forced errors stats are even more important in these kinds of matches where both players seemingly struggled. It gives a clear information of who was abled to put more pressure off the ground through aggressive play than the other. :)

That said, the post you indicated doesn't give the total points won by both girls :lol: so I kind of suggested that number from the winners + UEs. Never mind. :help:

I love Andrea too and I will be fully with her to beat Aga and finally get that big win she deserves on the tour. ;)

Ayumilover.
Aug 6th, 2011, 03:30 AM
I don't care how well Andrea does, I still think Julia's best is too much for Andy's best. Andrea seems to be closer to her best more though.

Skoo
Aug 6th, 2011, 08:53 AM
Thanks for the insight :hatoff: The calculations are not that hard and I promise the forced errors stats are even more important in these kinds of matches where both players seemingly struggled. It gives a clear information of who was abled to put more pressure off the ground through aggressive play than the other. :)

That said, the post you indicated doesn't give the total points won by both girls :lol: so I kind of suggested that number from the winners + UEs. Never mind. :help:

Yes, the FEs are definitely significant, but I think the UEs were more important. For instance, Sloane gave away the first set with a DF.

I understand where you got the total point from, but not the FEs :shrug: Do you have a long and complicated equation? :lol:


I don't care how well Andrea does, I still think Julia's best is too much for Andy's best. Andrea seems to be closer to her best more though.

I second that. And that is probably because Andrea is smarter :)

Michael!
Aug 6th, 2011, 09:05 AM
Nice draw for Julia in Toronto :happy:
well, in her current shape it doesn´t matter anyway, maybe it is even better when she plays a better name, she is not much under pressure then and can just play without thinking much, I only hope that she gets a better draw at least in Dalls then, she will be seeded there at least and it looks like she definitely will play there as she didn´t have many matches now anyway!

Jankovic hasn´t played since Wimbledon but she is still cleear favourite here, she is not as good as she used to be but hardcourt is still her best surface so I don´t see much chances for Julia here but u never know, I hope for some improvement here....

joy division
Aug 6th, 2011, 10:44 AM
Andrea has definitely not the weapons and power on court, that Julia has available, when her game is on.
But she instinctively knows much better, about what it matters in the end,... to win, and what is needed, to do so.
Andrea is more patient in building up her game, and in general able to produce solid groundstrokes of a good quality in a row at longer rallies.
How valuable this ability in women`s tennis is, indicates the fact, that she`s in the Top Ten at the moment.
Therefore she was not impressed and upset by the good start of Sloane, and we know the end of the story.
In contrast, Julia potentially has the bigger playing abilities, but is not "in the manner born to play success-oriented".
I think, that`s something, that she has to "learn" from the ground up, because it not really a part of her nature.
Therefore she sometimes has this "clumsy" manner, to throw away matches, where she seems to be head and shoulders above her opponent, and her inconsistency of her play in general.
As you all know this tendency is not unusual for offensive players on the women`s tour.
So for now Julia is with regard to her game still a surprise bag, but on the other hand you can rely on her really honest and friendly personality, which appears in the interviews and comments on homepage and twitter after her match against Sloane.
She really loves her sport, is very ambitious, and always finds respectful words for her opponents.
Apart from her tennis play and her look, these attitudes makes her so likeable.
Unfortunately she`s got a hard draw at Toronto, but nevertheless
All the best for Julia, there !!!

18majors
Aug 6th, 2011, 03:07 PM
A tough draw in Toronto and it may be what the doctor ordered for Julia to wake up and compete.

Ayumilover.
Aug 6th, 2011, 03:30 PM
I second that. And that is probably because Andrea is smarter :)

Clearly :lol: It's just that Andrea isn't quite as aggressive but enough to be effective.

Skoo
Aug 6th, 2011, 03:45 PM
Clearly :lol: It's just that Andrea isn't quite as aggressive but enough to be effective.

Yes, she knows just how to be. She didn't knew last year, but she learns faster than Julia (assuming she learns anything significant at all). And she's not puerile :) This is becoming a cheering thread for Petko :lol:

Vikapower
Aug 6th, 2011, 04:13 PM
Yes, the FEs are definitely significant, but I think the UEs were more important. For instance, Sloane gave away the first set with a DF.

I understand where you got the total point from, but not the FEs :shrug: Do you have a long and complicated equation? :lol:

Well I don't diminish the UEs in the whole :lol: but when you have such high UE counts and little winners then it's hard to know who really put more pressure off the ground because that's what the forced error represents, I wanted to know in the match of Andrea despite the huge UEs who won the most points through aggressive play and forced the other into errors.

:lol: It's not complicated to calculate - you can use the stats here (http://awesomescreenshot.com/07ei2270b) of Julia vs. Maria in AO 2011 I noted for you to understand better. The formula is :

Total points won by player A - (Winners by player A + UEs by player B)

Nice draw for Julia in Toronto :happy:
well, in her current shape it doesn´t matter anyway, maybe it is even better when she plays a better name, she is not much under pressure then and can just play without thinking much, I only hope that she gets a better draw at least in Dalls then, she will be seeded there at least and it looks like she definitely will play there as she didn´t have many matches now anyway!

Jankovic hasn´t played since Wimbledon but she is still cleear favourite here, she is not as good as she used to be but hardcourt is still her best surface so I don´t see much chances for Julia here but u never know, I hope for some improvement here....

I agree with you first paragraph that said, I'm not particularly sure that JJ's best surface is hard, I would have thought about clay probably... the surface can help Julia perhaps, it's category 3 if I'm not mistaken and definitively not as quick as Stanford.

I can see Julia getting the better of Jelena and perhaps Serena who can also be quite careless when it comes to WTA tour events but Kimmie on Deco is mission impossible. :lol:

A tough draw in Toronto and it may be what the doctor ordered for Julia to wake up and compete.

:lol: Come on 18majors, the doctor didn't order such a treament based on Rena, Kimmie and Jelena... :lol: that's not even a treatment anymore... :o

LightsOut!
Aug 6th, 2011, 05:38 PM
What about forced errors?

Skoo
Aug 6th, 2011, 05:41 PM
Well I don't diminish the UEs in the whole :lol: but when you have such high UE counts and little winners then it's hard to know who really put more pressure off the ground because that's what the forced error represents, I wanted to know in the match of Andrea despite the huge UEs who won the most points through aggressive play and forced the other into errors.

Yeah, you actually said that :o

:lol: It's not complicated to calculate - you can use the stats here (http://awesomescreenshot.com/07ei2270b) of Julia vs. Maria in AO 2011 I noted for you to understand better. The formula is :

Total points won by player A - (Winners by player A + UEs by player B)

I kinda skipped the "I kind of suggested that number from the winners + UEs" part and that's why it didn't make sense. Well, no need for excuses now, I'm dumb :)

Vikapower
Aug 6th, 2011, 07:14 PM
Yeah, you actually said that :o



I kinda skipped the "I kind of suggested that number from the winners + UEs" part and that's why it didn't make sense. Well, no need for excuses now, I'm dumb :)

No you're not :lol: but did you understand the thing !?

What about forced errors?

Well what about them !?

Skoo
Aug 6th, 2011, 07:36 PM
No you're not :lol: but did you understand the thing !?

Yeah. I'm not that dumb :lol: No, really, if you know the total points, there's no mistery. But you didn't know and you still made an estimation and that got me thinking about a very complicated equation with a lot of variables :) Not that I really believed there can be one. It was science fiction. There was still an estimation though and I didn't realize it was just a guess because I didn't read carefully :) I'm making excuses again :lol:

Vikapower
Aug 6th, 2011, 07:56 PM
Yeah. I'm not that dumb :lol: No, really, if you know the total points, there's no mistery. But you didn't know and you still made an estimation and that got me thinking about a very complicated equation with a lot of variables :) Not that I really believed there can be one. It was science fiction. There was still an estimation though and I didn't realize it was just a guess because I didn't read carefully :) I'm making excuses again :lol:

Well yes :haha: In fact I suggested the total points because in theory it's equal to (Player's A winners + Player's UEs) but the thing is it depends to the statisticians and doing that addition doesn't always bring to their total points.

:lol: Unless if you know something you might want to share with me I'm kind of clueless of how they come up with their total points -- :lol: anyways by estimating the total points my forced errors numbers are unstable. ;)

Skoo
Aug 6th, 2011, 08:15 PM
Well yes :haha: In fact I suggested the total points because in theory it's equal to (Player's A winners + Player's UEs) but the thing is it depends to the statisticians and doing that addition doesn't always bring to their total points.

Yes, but if the addition doesn't result in total points, the rest must be FEs. What else? :)

:lol: Unless if you know something you might want to share with me I'm kind of clueless of how they come up with their total points -- :lol: anyways by estimating the total points my forced errors numbers are unstable. ;)

No, I don't know anything special :lol: Don't they just add up Ws + opponent's UEs and FEs? :shrug: And isn't that what you said earlier? :)

Vikapower
Aug 6th, 2011, 08:57 PM
Yes, but if the addition doesn't result in total points, the rest must be FEs. What else? :)

:lol: Oh my freaking unbelievable God... :rolls: You can't imagine how I was breaking my head some time from today how in the world did they do to get the player's total points and it was just in front my eyes. :o :spit: Finally who's the dumb one !? :lol: As in a famous publicity with George Clooney, what else !? :cool:


No, I don't know anything special :lol: Don't they just add up Ws + opponent's UEs and FEs? :shrug: And isn't that what you said earlier? :)

ROFL No :lol: I said they added the UEs and the winners but it never ever flew in my mind but also with the forced ones... :tape:

Malkmus_
Aug 6th, 2011, 09:05 PM
It's weird, but I feel confident for her match against Jankovic. Maybe playing against bigger names will see her raise her level again. Go Julia :cheer:

Skoo
Aug 6th, 2011, 09:07 PM
:lol: Oh my freaking unbelievable God... :rolls: You can't imagine how I was breaking my head some time from today how in the world did they do to get the player's total points and it was just in front my eyes. :o :spit: Finally who's the dumb one !? :lol: As in a famous publicity with George Clooney, what else !? :cool:

ROFL No :lol: I said they added the UEs and the winners but it never ever flew in my mind but also with the forced ones... :tape:

:haha: This is a strange situation. But I don't get it. In that picture with the stats for the match against Maria, that was your reasoning: a total of 89 points won by Julia - (32 Ws + 29 Maria UEs) = 28 FEs. Are you saying that this was just a hunch and you thought there must be more to the story? :)

Skoo
Aug 6th, 2011, 09:09 PM
It's weird, but I feel confident for her match against Jankovic. Maybe playing against bigger names will see her raise her level again. Go Julia :cheer:

It's called wishful thinking :lol: We all have it. Every time she loses :lol:

Vikapower
Aug 6th, 2011, 10:21 PM
:haha: This is a strange situation. But I don't get it. In that picture with the stats for the match against Maria, that was your reasoning: a total of 89 points won by Julia - (32 Ws + 29 Maria UEs) = 28 FEs. Are you saying that this was just a hunch and you thought there must be more to the story? :)

:lol: No don't worry about the picture it is right, I was just questioning the veracity of my forced errors from the match between Andrea and Sloane because I didn't have the total points... In the picture, the total points where already offered so you just have to apply the formula... :lol:

18majors
Aug 6th, 2011, 11:05 PM
Julia will play JJ on Monday evening, the feature match of the day.

Ayumilover.
Aug 6th, 2011, 11:31 PM
It's called wishful thinking :lol: We all have it. Every time she loses :lol:

It almost worked for Rezai :lol:

Skoo
Aug 6th, 2011, 11:33 PM
It almost worked for Rezai :lol:

What do you mean?

Ayumilover.
Aug 6th, 2011, 11:38 PM
Unfortunately, Aravane had been sucking against really bad players, and then she faces Serena and all of a sudden, she randomly nearly played her best and won

Malkmus_
Aug 6th, 2011, 11:44 PM
Julia will play JJ on Monday evening, the feature match of the day.

I hope it's on EuroSport :inlove: :cheer:

Skoo
Aug 6th, 2011, 11:45 PM
Unfortunately, Aravane had been sucking against really bad players, and then she faces Serena and all of a sudden, she randomly nearly played her best and won

Oh, I see. Well, motivation is arguably the most important factor in everything one does.

Vikapower
Aug 7th, 2011, 12:08 AM
Well good luck Julia not going to be easy, first time on TV for me since RG. :help:

Specter
Aug 7th, 2011, 12:19 AM
Well good luck Julia not going to be easy, first time on TV for me since RG. :help:

Not just for you. ;)

Michael!
Aug 7th, 2011, 10:13 AM
Hope that I will be able to see her, I mean, she still says that she feels pretty good, so I am curious about her game but Julia has a strange view sometimes anyway, for her all matches are tough and good, even her match against Safina :hysteric:

Malkmus_
Aug 7th, 2011, 11:56 AM
Well good luck Julia not going to be easy, first time on TV for me since RG. :help:

I saw her match v Cibulkova at Wimbledon. You were lucky! :hysteric:

18majors
Aug 7th, 2011, 12:52 PM
I hope they show more Toronto on TV than Montreal.

Vikapower
Aug 7th, 2011, 02:36 PM
Hope that I will be able to see her, I mean, she still says that she feels pretty good, so I am curious about her game but Julia has a strange view sometimes anyway, for her all matches are tough and good, even her match against Safina :hysteric:

:lol: Well the match was though but for sure Julia made it tougher than expected IMO.

I saw her match v Cibulkova at Wimbledon. You were lucky! :hysteric:

:lol: Why !? It was atrocious !? :lol:

Ayumilover.
Aug 7th, 2011, 05:51 PM
How do we know Julia vs. Jelena is feature Monday match?

silesia
Aug 7th, 2011, 06:23 PM
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/duz6v2rc/Unbenannt1.jpg

http://www.rogerscup.com/women/english/home.php ;)

Malkmus_
Aug 7th, 2011, 07:20 PM
:lol: Why !? It was atrocious !? :lol:

:lol: Yeah. She had the match in her hands, but there was so much choking and she threw it away. :help: :o

There was a good opening for her to do well in that draw as well.

Skoo
Aug 7th, 2011, 08:40 PM
that 2nd set must have been a masterclass though :sobbing:

It was the only one in which she didn't relax. And poor Domi had nothing to do against her. I saw the last two of her matches at Wimby. How come you guys didn't see them? There were streams.

Ayumilover.
Aug 8th, 2011, 01:06 AM
It was the only one in which she didn't relax. And poor Domi had nothing to do against her. I saw the last two of her matches at Wimby. How come you guys didn't see them? There were streams.

Oh really :confused: :scratch:

so against cibulkova, julia was just unstoppable in that set?

HeySafZvoneRenka
Aug 8th, 2011, 01:34 AM
http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/duz6v2rc/Unbenannt1.jpg

http://www.rogerscup.com/women/english/home.php ;)

you can cross out Vee cuz she WITHDREW due to illness, Ana is playing against Zhang, Serena

Skoo
Aug 8th, 2011, 09:53 AM
Oh really :confused: :scratch:

so against cibulkova, julia was just unstoppable in that set?

Yes, the one against Johansson was almost HD even :) Yes, she was. She had about 80% 1st serve. She hit 3 aces in a row in one game (but she did that in the 3rd again). She was also very focused and had great anticipation. These things happened in the other sets as well, albeit only for brief periods of time. If she can get 1st serve % that high, there are not many things you can do against her.

crazillo
Aug 8th, 2011, 10:23 AM
Goerges is on television tonight starting at 1 AM CET. :)

Malkmus_
Aug 8th, 2011, 01:30 PM
Goerges is on television tonight starting at 1 AM CET. :)

Is that going to be on EuroSport? My TV schedule says it's not on at 12am.

silesia
Aug 8th, 2011, 01:41 PM
Goerges is on television tonight starting at 1 AM CET. :)

Auf welchen Tv-Sendern?

18majors
Aug 8th, 2011, 02:11 PM
Good luck Julia, beat JJ.