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bruce goose
Nov 11th, 2012, 01:58 PM
(New condition coach) Černošek : I will attend the meeting, but the main decision will be on David Kotyza. They are close and I don´t want to force them. (with my choice)
Fed cup 2013 Petra: „I don´t want to talk about about it.“In what respect would Petra be 'forcing' them??Does she mean forcing them to go with her to extra liga,or does she mean forcing them to accept her decision.....or is she saying something else entirely?

Has anyone seen the Van Damme film,'Lionheart',where he arrives in the U.S. as a stowaway Foreign Legion deserter and then,desperate for money,he engages in impromptu bareknuckle fights under overpasses and in hotel garages??I can't picture Vitali Klitschko participating in such low-rent spectacles in Moscow,and yet Petra voluntarily engages in similar minor-league contrivances with little compensation in return:o

paulmara
Nov 11th, 2012, 02:06 PM
or is she saying something else entirely?
well he

In what respect would Petra be 'forcing' them??Does she mean forcing them to go with her to extra liga,or does she mean forcing them to accept her decision.....or is she saying something else entirely?

Černošek will not forced Petra and David to accept his candidate.

Excelscior
Nov 11th, 2012, 02:11 PM
LOL, bad news for Shifty and Excelsior, Petra will play the Czech league final :haha:

Yeah, that's cause it's Csersonek (I apologize guys for always spelling his name wrong or with out the accents; it's just easier this way) sponsored/affiliated event.

When is she going to realize, she doesn't need this guy or do everything he suggest or wants (especially when it's to the benefit of him). :shrug:

bruce goose
Nov 11th, 2012, 02:12 PM
well he



Černošek will not forced Petra and David to accept his candidate.Candidate for fitness coach,you mean?Okay,thanks Paul:hatoff:.....As long as it's not a GOLF 'fitness coach':facepalm:

Excelscior
Nov 11th, 2012, 02:45 PM
(New condition coach) Černošek : I will attend the meeting, but the main decision will be on David Kotyza. They are close and I don´t want to force them. (with my choice)
Fed cup 2013 Petra: „I don´t want to talk about about it.“

He sounds like a Freakin Mafia Boss ("I have an offer you cannot refuse").

It's so clear (from that quote)--that this guy is Csersonek's suggestion and preferred choice (or he knows they'll agree with him, even if he's not). He can barely hide it. I don't think I like this! :shrug:

It's almost like he's saying "You can pick anyone you want, from one my selections--of course". WTF?

Where are Kotyza's and Petra's choices? How long and in depth is the process? Where is this guy from and who has he been affiliated with (The Prostojev boys)? :confused: This is crazy.

Petra is a Top Tier world class player, Grand Slam Champion, and deserves a team befitting that status.

Maybe Shifty was right. I'm starting wonder/worry. I hope not.

And why does Petra say "I don't want to talk about it"? What's the story behind that? :tape: :eek: :tape:

Note: I didn't read the article; just the quotes.

bruce goose
Nov 11th, 2012, 02:54 PM
Petra has really opened my eyes to just how profoundly a player's team's organizational strength--or lack of it--can impact an individual's performance.I've been seeing that,in various manifestations,with both of my current faves and an EX-fave,too.I wonder if the male players are equally impacted;I know that,in Nadal's case,his uncle Antonio has made a huge difference with wise counsel b/c,to be gentle,Rafa's intelligence doesn't come close to matching his on-court talent and dedication.In the future,analyzing the stability of the surrounding team will be a big factor in whether I adopt a player as a fave or merely cheer for her at times....gonna stick with Petra:hearts:,though,'til the end of the ride:angel:

Excelscior
Nov 11th, 2012, 03:08 PM
Petra has really opened my eyes to just how profoundly a player's team's organizational strength--or lack of it--can impact an individual's performance.I've been seeing that,in various manifestations,with both of my current faves and an EX-fave,too.I wonder if the male players are equally impacted;I know that,in Nadal's case,his uncle Antonio has made a huge difference with wise counsel b/c,to be gentle,Rafa's intelligence doesn't come close to matching his on-court talent and dedication.In the future,analyzing the stability of the surrounding team will be a big factor in whether I adopt a player as a fave or merely cheer for her at times....gonna stick with Petra:hearts:,though,'til the end of the ride:angel:

You know Bruce: I was thinking the same thing, and had a feeling of sadness and disappointment, knowing that Petra would never have access to the best people under this current arrangement.

However, I didn't write that, cause I didn't want to be any more negative, than my speculation of her team and how it's decisions are made. Of course I voiced those concerns now. :lol:

Boy, I sure hope that Petra and Kotyza can over come all this. And maybe Csersonek can prove us wrong? But it's clear to me, that Csersonek is only interested in people that are close to him (or his cronies). I'm not sure I like this (for Petra). :sad:

Hopefully, our protest, the Czech & Tennis media (or maybe Martian Hingis and Navratilova via back channels) can force her team to make better selections and decisions--through embarrassment?

And he (the new fitness guy, if/when he's picked) better not be 50+ years old either. SMH

I just don't see the meticulous process of selecting a great team, befitting the talent and expectations of Petra. Sorry! I really don't.

paulmara
Nov 11th, 2012, 03:09 PM
And why does Petra say "I don't want to talk about it"?

It is better for her not to play Fed cup next season but ...

Excelscior
Nov 11th, 2012, 03:17 PM
It is better for her not to play Fed cup next season but ...

Why/when did she say this (at this years Fed Cup)?

And "BUT" what? :lol:

What does the "but" mean and entail?

Excelscior
Nov 11th, 2012, 03:24 PM
Petra has really opened my eyes to just how profoundly a player's team's organizational strength--or lack of it--can impact an individual's performance.I've been seeing that,in various manifestations,with both of my current faves and an EX-fave,too.I wonder if the male players are equally impacted;I know that,in Nadal's case,his uncle Antonio has made a huge difference with wise counsel b/c,to be gentle,Rafa's intelligence doesn't come close to matching his on-court talent and dedication.In the future,analyzing the stability of the surrounding team will be a big factor in whether I adopt a player as a fave or merely cheer for her at times....gonna stick with Petra:hearts:,though,'til the end of the ride:angel:

PS (since you mentioned the ATP): Can Petra at least share Berdych's fitness guy, hit with him occasionally at joint tournaments/Prostojev, and use some of his other people, since Csersonek likes pulling people from his stable and crony network so much? :tape:

At least he's in the top 10 of the ATP (though wonder why he hasn't gone farther, besides the Big 4, so maybe not). :lol:

You also wonder if Berdych is smart/independent enough, not to be so close to Csersonek--outside of calling him his manager and appearing at a few Czech events? He already calls Monaco his home/tax haven. And it appears he's been there a while.

Like you wondered Bruce: I wonder if ATP Berdych, gets better people than Petra, or Tomas and his coach handles that area themselves (could this be like a "sexism" deal going on)?

OK, my ramblings are done on that topic/individual. :lol:

Queen Petra Fan
Nov 11th, 2012, 03:25 PM
(New condition coach) Černošek : I will attend the meeting, but the main decision will be on David Kotyza. They are close and I don´t want to force them. (with my choice)
Fed cup 2013 Petra: „I don´t want to talk about about it.“

Very interesting. The decision making process for a conditioning coach has begun.

It appears Cernosek has somebody in mind already. No surprise there.

Of course he would never DREAM of forcing his choice on poor little Petra and Coach Kotex. :rolleyes:

He's going to attend the meeting, glare across the table at P and Coach K, intimidate them both, and Petra will end up with some nobody who reports directly to Cernosek.

Let's hope he at least knows his business.

This being accomplished, it appears Coach Huggybear will keep his job for at least another year.

I can't wait to see how 2013 pans out.

Excelscior
Nov 11th, 2012, 04:02 PM
Very interesting. The decision making process for a conditioning coach has begun.

It appears Cernosek has somebody in mind already. No surprise there.

Of course he would never DREAM of forcing his choice on poor little Petra and Coach Kotex. :rolleyes:

He's going to attend the meeting, glare across the table at P and Coach K, intimidate them both, and Petra will end up with some nobody who reports directly to Cernosek.

Let's hope he at least knows his business.

This being accomplished, it appears Coach Huggybear will keep his job for at least another year.

I can't wait to see how 2013 pans out.

I would at least hope if Cernosek is selecting Petra's choices through his stable, he'd at least be generous enough to pay for them. :angel:

Because I'd be damned, if I'm paying for a Fitness instructor, etc. (while I been on the tour many years, interfacing with all type of tennis people), but the selections and decision, came from inside my managers office, back in the Czech Republic. :help:

Can he give a Sister A Break (Petra)? :lol:

Of course (not) he won't! :oh:

Damn!

Queen Petra Fan
Nov 11th, 2012, 04:45 PM
I really hope Petra and Kotyza can rise above all the crap holding her back so all of us can think more positively about her and her future.

Let's hope we get some kind of good sign for the future soon.

I'm a little tired of being so negative about it all.

bruce goose
Nov 11th, 2012, 04:57 PM
PS (since you mentioned the ATP): Can Petra at least share Berdych's fitness guy, hit with him occasionally at joint tournaments/Prostojev, and use some of his other people, since Csersonek likes pulling people from his stable and crony network so much? :tape:

At least he's in the top 10 of the ATP (though wonder why he hasn't gone farther, besides the Big 4, so maybe not). :lol:

You also wonder if Berdych is smart/independent enough, not to be so close to Csersonek--outside of calling him his manager and appearing at a few Czech events? He already calls Monaco his home/tax haven. And it appears he's been there a while.

Like you wondered Bruce: I wonder if ATP Berdych, gets better people than Petra, or Tomas and his coach handles that area themselves (could this be like a "sexism" deal going on)?

OK, my ramblings are done on that topic/individual. :lol:I know that the Europeans will have no clue WTF we're talking about here:lol:,but it's gotta be different when you're a Bengals fan cuz you KNOW that Mike Brown is an assclown who's not gonna spend ANY money and,if by some miracle he DOES,he'll surely spend it foolishly...so you go into the season fully aware that you have practically ZERO shot at a SB and you don't get your hopes up....Similar story with the clown college MLB squads like the Mets who squander money on the worst,self-centered FA's that you could imagine,killing any hope of team chemistry...likewise with bottom-feeding barnacle Donald Sterling and his LA Clippers...

....But Petra actually has a reasonable shot at being a dominant player for years,so that's why we say to ourselves....if ONLY.....SOMEhow....by almost ANY means....she could hook up with the right people,we'd regularly see some awesome tennis from Petra:cool:

....Okay,the season's over,so I'm gonna take an NFL break for a few hours,folks....maybe even check out some Bears highlights with a Costa Rican chica on my lap:hehehe::wavey:

paulmara
Nov 11th, 2012, 05:14 PM
Why/when did she say this (at this years Fed Cup)?

She said "I don't want to talk about it." It was stupid to ask her so soon.


And "BUT" what? :lol:
What does the "but" mean and entail?

A) She will say No. Everybody will respect her decision.

But

B ) She will say Maybe or I don´t know and there will be pressure.

Černošek „ Look I agreed she will play the Czech league final. I suppose I can manage she will play Fed Cup.“

ShiftyFella
Nov 11th, 2012, 06:20 PM
http://sport.idnes.cz/manazer-cernosek-rozhovor-fed-cup-davis-cup-fzd-/tenis.aspx?c=A121111_111239_tenis_mah
He's such a hypocrite. He 'arranged' that Petra and Lucie play in extraliga:fiery::mad:

At least he talked with Lendl about Petra, i hope Ivan knock some senses into him, so he recommends world-class guy. Other part i don't get, all decisions about team personal should be on Petra, why Kotyza dragged into this, his job as manager to get in touch with right people and arrange meetings with Petra, so she can make her own decisions. While HuggyBear should think how to make Petra better player next yeat but he probaly drinks beer with Černošek while they kids play ball in backyard:o

I hate him and Petra for playing in extraliga, i would be happy if she plays in some stupid exhos around the world but NOT in extraliga:sobbing:


I know that the Europeans will have no clue WTF we're talking about here:lol:,but it's gotta be different when you're a Bengals fan cuz you KNOW that Mike Brown is an assclown who's not gonna spend ANY money and,if by some miracle he DOES,he'll surely spend it foolishly...so you go into the season fully aware that you have practically ZERO shot at a SB and you don't get your hopes up....Similar story with the clown college MLB squads like the Mets who squander money on the worst,self-centered FA's that you could imagine,killing any hope of team chemistry...likewise with bottom-feeding barnacle Donald Sterling and his LA Clippers...

....But Petra actually has a reasonable shot at being a dominant player for years,so that's why we say to ourselves....if ONLY.....SOMEhow....by almost ANY means....she could hook up with the right people,we'd regularly see some awesome tennis from Petra:cool:

....Okay,the season's over,so I'm gonna take an NFL break for a few hours,folks....maybe even check out some Bears highlights with a Costa Rican chica on my lap:hehehe::wavey:
You forgot Cowboys, team full of talent that everybody loves despite being disappointment with crappy gutless coach who don't know what to do and money hungry GM\Owner who thinks his smarter that anybody making his own decisions:lol:

Excelscior
Nov 11th, 2012, 06:54 PM
She said "I don't want to talk about it." It was stupid to ask her so soon.



A) She will say No. Everybody will respect her decision.

But

B ) She will say Maybe or I don´t know and there will be pressure.

Černošek „ Look I agreed she will play the Czech league final. I suppose I can manage she will play Fed Cup.“

OK, thanks Paulmara. I kinda figured out the first part after re-reading it (when Petra said "I don't want to talk about it").

Mmmmh. It's interesting she decided not to play Fed Cup next year. See, I wasn't even aware of that.

And I don't like how Černošek talks about Petra's activities. He openly acts like he controls her. And he's so arrogant, he doesn't seem like he cares that anyone notices (I guess that's the Czech Press, he's so comfortable with :shrug: ).

I know QPF said to be positive. But how can we be--when we see quotes like this? It's obvious (or at least I think it is), that even Kotyza and Petra realize she shouldn't play Czech league and Fed Cup next season. Nonetheless, here you have Černošek making her play Czech league and almost guaranteeing she will play Fed Cup. WTF!? And of course he has something to gain (on top of managing Petra) if she plays either.

What a greedy, spineless, self absorbed slob.

Where/when is the players best interest being sought? :fiery: :shrug: :fiery:

SMH

Petronius
Nov 11th, 2012, 07:25 PM
At least he talked with Lendl about Petra, i hope Ivan knock some senses into him, so he recommends world-class guy.

Speaking of Ivan, I'm watching Murray-Fedex and the commentators are again praising his impact on Andy, I wouldn't be suprised if Ivan was soon invited to the Buckingham Palace and received the Order of British Empire :lol:

BTW, Boris Becker's English sucks :lol:

18majors
Nov 11th, 2012, 07:27 PM
Speaking of Ivan, I'm watching Murray-Fedex and the commentators are again praising his impact on Andy, I wouldn't be suprised if Ivan was soon invited to the Buckingham Palace and received the Order of British Empire :lol:

BTW, Boris Becker's English sucks :lol:

He will, after Murray wins a Wimbledon title.

ShiftyFella
Nov 11th, 2012, 07:57 PM
Speaking of Ivan, I'm watching Murray-Fedex and the commentators are again praising his impact on Andy, I wouldn't be suprised if Ivan was soon invited to the Buckingham Palace and received the Order of British Empire :lol:

BTW, Boris Becker's English sucks :lol:
Boris is german, they even can't say squirrel properly:haha:
SskKMbX6qmk


btw, more about annoying Černošek, i was surprised that he wasn't pleased with FC success

Petronius
Nov 11th, 2012, 08:02 PM
He will, after Murray wins a Wimbledon title.

:devil:

BTW, Andy just botched the tiebreaker (Fedex came up with a couple of great shots though)

Excelscior
Nov 11th, 2012, 08:14 PM
@Shifty

You notice, Černošek never said he asked "asked Lendl" anything. He just mentioned that Lendl told him, 'Petra clearly belongs in the Top 5 and should return'. Duh (about Lendl saying she's clearly top 5)! :shrug:

That was probably Lendl's way of throwing shade and saying saying,"you guys are not doing your job". I'm sure he knows their negligent. :oh:

Petronius
Nov 11th, 2012, 08:14 PM
Boris is german, they even can't say squirrel properly:haha:
SskKMbX6qmk

btw, more about annoying Černošek, i was surprised that he wasn't pleased with FC success

Funny video.

BTW, where are you reading he wasn't pleased? He said he was totally/absolutely satisfied.

His 'best' comment though: "I am not a tennis expert" :o

Excelscior
Nov 11th, 2012, 08:26 PM
Funny video.

BTW, where are you reading he wasn't pleased? He said he was totally/absolutely satisfied.

His 'best' comment though: "I am not a tennis expert" :o

If he really believes he's not a "tennis expert", then why does he make the first line suggestions, that his REAL TENNIS PEOPLE respond to after? :rolleyes: :help: :rolleyes:

That's because, he's a MONEY, CONTROL, CRONYISM expert, and he seems more concerned about that, than anything else (or at least before the tennis). :help:

You would think the players, coaches and advisers (we know she doesn't have any, outside of him), would know more about, or at the least 'in addition' to her manager'.

He's just a businessmen with a self serving network and interest. Just look at the pressure he put on Petra in the extended interview, by basically saying 'The Czech Republic would be hard pressed to win the Fed Cup with out her'. How dare him! Where's the professionalism? If he works for her, he should be more careful what he says (Obviously, he doesn't care). He acts so entitled.

Unfortunately, unless things change dramatically, I don't think Petra will ever care or notice and take control of her career.

ShiftyFella
Nov 11th, 2012, 08:47 PM
Funny video.

BTW, where are you reading he wasn't pleased? He said he was totally/absolutely satisfied.

His 'best' comment though: "I am not a tennis expert" :o
Than i misunderstood him, he was babbling about empty VIP seats or something, how less cars for FC they needed compared to DC and how much more revenue DC brings:shrug:

bruce goose
Nov 12th, 2012, 05:37 AM
His 'best' comment though: "I am not a tennis expert" :oTalk about an understatement;that's like if Barney Fife said,"I'm not QUITE ready to be the director of the FBI."

I hope that Petra brings Prosto to their next meeting;I can sense a serious spraying taking place all over dude's dress pants and shoes...and that stench will NEVER go away:p

Petronius
Nov 12th, 2012, 09:35 AM
Than i misunderstood him, he was babbling about empty VIP seats or something, how less cars for FC they needed compared to DC and how much more revenue DC brings:shrug:

Yeah, there were some empty VIP seats. That's the way life is - some tickets go to corporate officers, politicians, etc. who don't bother to show up. But overall the arena was packed and he (his agency) made a nice profit.

The Davis Cup final is even a bigger event and will be probably even more profitable. The only drawback is that they had to pay some compensation to the organizers of the dance show that had been originally scheduled for the O2 arena.

On the other hand, let's give the guy some credit. He is one of the reasons why the Czech tennis system is probably the most effective in the world on per capita basis. Besides the FedCup & DavisCup success, no other country was represented at the recent WTA and ATP finals in all four disciplines.

HowardH
Nov 12th, 2012, 11:48 AM
Struggling to clarify exactly what people are discussing, beyond the "Petra's team is still not making good decisions" bit, which comes across clearly. What is wrong with Cernosek? Who is Cernosek? I presume he's a very rich Czech person, maybe a bit like Rupert Murdoch? Maybe disliked by many in a similar way? It seems that he is involved in Petra's team decisions and people are concerned that he is actually the one making all the decisions. Do people think that this might result in Petra not getting the ideal fitness/conditioning person for her, because the job would go to someone with connections to Cernosek instead? And why do people not want Petra to play extraliga? I had heard that it was common for pros to play a bit of extraliga, and it only lasts about one week right, unlike the regular interclub? My impression of European interclub was that it was very strong and a lot of pros play in France, Germany, Czech rep, but do people think that players as highly ranked as Petra usually do not play? Does Berdych play Czech interclub? I've never followed extraliga but I've heard of it.

paulmara
Nov 12th, 2012, 12:27 PM
Who is Cernosek?

http://www.ceskasportovni.cz/en
one of the leaders in the field of the sports marketing in the Czech Republic and Central Europe NHL in Prague , Golden spike with Bolt, Davis Cup, Fed cup marketing partner of the Czech Olympic Committee

http://www.tkplus.cz/index-en.php Prostějov tennis club

And why do people not want Petra to play extraliga?

She injured herself last time.

Excelscior
Nov 12th, 2012, 12:33 PM
Yeah, there were some empty VIP seats. That's the way life is - some tickets go to corporate officers, politicians, etc. who don't bother to show up. But overall the arena was packed and he (his agency) made a nice profit.

The Davis Cup final is even a bigger event and will be probably even more profitable. The only drawback is that they had to pay some compensation to the organizers of the dance show that had been originally scheduled for the O2 arena.

On the other hand, let's give the guy some credit. He is one of the reasons why the Czech tennis system is probably the most effective in the world on per capita basis. Besides the FedCup & DavisCup success, no other country was represented at the recent WTA and ATP finals in all four disciplines.

Agreed Petronius (though I'm sure the Czech school/Phys Ed system has something to do with it as well). Csernosek, just takes the best candidates and molds them at his facility. And it should stay that way.

The problem is, he's got his hand in the cookie Jar in too many places (development, management, coaching decisions and politics). And what's always best for him, is not always best for Petra. That's the problem.

There's no excuse for Petra not having a regular hitting partner, doctors that take three years to find the proper inhalers, senior advisers, tennis specialist, etc. We been through all this.

On top of that: Now we know why Martina Navratilova complains on Tennis Channel why Petra doesn't contact her. She's probably forbidden. :lol:

The bottom line is this: If you're a tennis player, and you can't get the best people (but can afford it/have access), because of your Manager---who's so expendable--it's a conflict of interest. I couldn't care less what he does in the Czech Republic. That's another issue/argument. God Bless him.

And he's not even a coach. The Czech Republic has a rich tennis history, and I'm sure if he didn't own the facility, someone else would (or someone else in the Government would hook some one else up).

Excelscior
Nov 12th, 2012, 01:43 PM
Struggling to clarify exactly what people are discussing, beyond the "Petra's team is still not making good decisions" bit, which comes across clearly. What is wrong with Cernosek? Who is Cernosek? I presume he's a very rich Czech person, maybe a bit like Rupert Murdoch? Maybe disliked by many in a similar way? It seems that he is involved in Petra's team decisions and people are concerned that he is actually the one making all the decisions. Do people think that this might result in Petra not getting the ideal fitness/conditioning person for her, because the job would go to someone with connections to Cernosek instead? And why do people not want Petra to play extraliga? I had heard that it was common for pros to play a bit of extraliga, and it only lasts about one week right, unlike the regular interclub? My impression of European interclub was that it was very strong and a lot of pros play in France, Germany, Czech rep, but do people think that players as highly ranked as Petra usually do not play? Does Berdych play Czech interclub? I've never followed extraliga but I've heard of it.

Hey Howard.

Paulmara did a good job capsulizing it. I'll try to give you a little more, with out rambling to long (though I'm sure I will). :lol:

Yes, we all know Petra's team has not been making good decisions. And many of us feel that Černošek is at the heart of it.

He's Petra's Manager. But he also runs the Prostojev facility where Petra trains. And he's also involved (as Paulmara noted) in many sports operations, including the Prague 100K, Fed Cup and of course Czech Extraliga.

The reason why people are going nuts about Extraliga: Last year (if you remember) Petra injured her Achilles playing Lucie H. And Petra's team used that as an excuse and a crutch the first half of the year. Remember, Petra skipped Doha to rest her Achilles!? And (unless I'm mistaken), it was during that time she contacted a virus during a Czech blizzard/cold spell, while recuperating her Achilles at home in the freezing Czech Republic, instead of a warm weather climate--which we went nuts about. Needless to say, she missed Dubai as well (though Kotyza claimed they may have sat her out anyway to rest her Achilles) due to the virus.

Petra's coach also explained, that Kvitty couldn't get the proper training and conditioning through out the first half of 2012, cause her Achilles Injury aborted her Pre-2012 training, and it thus had a domino effect throughout the year (they also used this as an excuse for her performance at the 2012 Oz Open in January).

These injuries and ailments (stemming from the Achilles), carried Petra right into Indian Wells, where she was either too weak to finish against McHale, or the weak, recovering Petra caught that infamous stomach virus (as was reported) which just compounded the issue.

So that's why (as Paulmara noted) Extraliga annoys so many. The reality is, Petra could of played it last year. Sure. No biggie. The REAL problem was, Petra played it so hard and took it so seriously (it was a tough match against Lucie H--who was in better playing shape than Petra at the time), she lost and hurt herself.

Playing Extraglia, was part of Petra's training/getting back in tow (as you mentioned/asked). However, neither Petra or her coaches realized it wasn't a Death Match to play at all cost. It was only Pre Pre Pre season preparation for 2012. Petra was barely playing tennis at the time of the match and subsequent injury. Too much pride and competitiveness--too soon,I guess. And just dumb!! Now she's playing in the final again. Will Petra take it so seriously this time (and feel the pressure to deliver in this seemingly innocuous--to us, but PETRA/CZECH PRIDE final)? Or will she see it for exactly what it is: A Pre Pre season warm up--to the REAL SEASON, and nothing more? Stay tuned.

From what I understand, Černošek is not rich like a Rupert Murdoch. That's another guy Petronius can tell you about. :lol: But from what we know/hear, THAT GUY is a crony of Černošek, and is a sponsor of Prostojev and other events as well. :lol:

And yes, you said it. We fear that Černošek is too tied into his own Band Of Old Men Czech Network to properly find Petra a world class anything that doesn't come from his network. Correct.

Yes, we fear he's the one making all the decisions (he pretty much says or hints it during his interviews--the guys is so arrogant), not Kotyza, Petra or any senior independent tennis advisers. Keep in mind, Kotyza (cause he's an old Czech, affiliated with the Fed Cup team) was probably hand picked by Černošek anyway. And we just found out that "Sidney" is Petra's agent; another Czech Old Man, who appears to be friendly with Černošek--of course.

To summarize your question: Over the past year, we've all complained (as you know) about numerous things about Petra's team management of her health, schedule, career, game strategy and coaches, specialist and advisers. The main complaint was, it's run like a mom and pop shop, unlike a top tier, world class player and Wimbledon Champ, who's still young and should have the best (or at least competent people around her).

At first we blamed Kotyza (and rightfully so for many things). He should be the one in charge, along with Petra making tennis related decisions. But after hearing some of these Černošek interviews, he made it seem clear, that he's the one that hand picks (which is what many of us expected--we just bit our tongues with out "smoking gun" evidence), the people that Petra and Kotyza actually choose from.

If you remember, Petra only had a part time hitting partner in ADAM--her boyfriend last year. And this year, she's had none. However when Petra prepared for the YEC, she marveled at how much better it was hitting with men. The cruel irony was (besides her not having one all year as a top player), she was actually hitting with Prostojev (Černošek facility) teen, amateur boys when she said it. Why? :facepalm: SMH.

Lastly, we always heard from Broadcasters that Petra stays to herself and doesn't really fraternize much with the other players. And we've also heard Martina Nav's complain on air, that Petra doesn't contact her, though she encourages it. Well, we basically figured out (especially after Martina wasn't initially invited to the Fed Cup, cause she's not down with the current Posse in power--connected with Černošek)/know why Petra doesn't speak to Martina or anyone else really?....Černošek, apparently has her on lock down (along with Petra's passive, casual personality aiding and abetting). I'm sure QPF, Paulmara, and maybe even Petronius, can speak and elaborate more on that. :lol:

And the list really goes on and on Howard (Prostojev is mostly and indoor facility--with only one--recent outdoor hard court; living in cold weather Czech Republic to practice at Prostejev, etc.) Next time I'll just list them, since I gave the lengthy back ground here, as I was trying to be fair) :lol: .

So just look at it as another overbearing, incompetent tennis father story. Except this time, just exchange the bad, controlling overbearing Piotr like father, with Petra's manager (and his associated self serving economic, sports and political interest).

Normally I (and I'm sure many other here) couldn't care less who a players management is (good or bad), as long as their winning and the players team is making the right decisions. That's the honest truth (though some of us wondered about Černošek and his Czech ties, when we first heard or him).

Unfortunately, not only does he have clear conflicts of interest, while politely bragging about it. But Petra's team continues to make bone head or perplexing decisions, while her play, demeanor, health, fitness, both professional and personal team-advisers and results continue to suffer (or she has none to speak of), as a result. Better luck next year, I guess. :shrug:

I hope that helped and explained it? :lol: :shrug: :lol:

steni
Nov 12th, 2012, 01:52 PM
Oh my gosh, after reading all your posts Im very dissapointed because is clear to me that Petra is weak and an idiot and doesnt have the pants to tell Cernosek to f*** himself and take her on decisions. My expectations for the next season are very low, she is surrounded with the wrong people, I think her 2011 success was the result of her amazing talent, too bad she isnt step in to control her own career!

Excelscior
Nov 12th, 2012, 02:05 PM
Oh my gosh, after reading all your posts Im very dissapointed because is clear to me that Petra is weak and an idiot and doesnt have the pants to tell Cernosek to f*** himself and take her on decisions. My expectations for the next season are very low, she is surrounded with the wrong people, I think her 2011 success was the result of her amazing talent, too bad she isnt step in to control her own career!

Let's hope for the best Steni.

And I agree with you. It was mostly Petra's talent that carried her in 2011, cause she had no burdens, played freely, and didn't feel any pressure.

Now people are better and they're coming after her, and the losses bring criticism, with out lowering any expectations or disappointment (by either by her, the press or her fans). She needs to adjust, adapt and improve.

Nonetheless, let's hope for the best (despite all you read). Maybe things can change? We sure hope.

And I'm not sure if you have access to the Tennis Channel? But if you do, guess what?: The first "TENNISOGRAPHY" (though they should have done Petra last year instead of Vika--unless they did Azarenka's before) this year, will be on Petra Kvitova, Dec 4th.

steni
Nov 12th, 2012, 02:11 PM
Let's hope for the best Steni.

And I agree with you, it was Petra's talent that carried her in 2011, cause he had no burdens, played freely, and didn't have expectations.

Now people are better and they're coming after her, and the losses bring criticism, with out lowering the expectations.

Nonetheless, let's hope for the best (despite all you read). Maybe things can change? We sure hope.

And I'm not sure if you have access to the Tennis Channel? But if you do, guess what: The first Tennisography (though they should have done Petra last year instead of Vika--unless they did Azarenka's before) this year, will be on Petra Kvitova, Dec 4th.

Nice, thanks for the info, I was wondering about that interview.

netphobia
Nov 12th, 2012, 03:13 PM
The more I read about this, the more I'm like :help: because it's incredibly disturbing to me that someone with so much talent could be surrounded by so many people who are so focused on their own goals only.

Excelscior
Nov 12th, 2012, 04:26 PM
The more I read about this, the more I'm like :help: because it's incredibly disturbing to me that someone with so much talent could be surrounded by so many people who are so focused on their own goals only.

Common sense says, sooner or later, this stuff may get out (or the Czech press will be tougher), and this guy--Cernosek is going alter his arrogance and what he says publicly.

However, it won't change the fact that Petra doesn't have access to the worlds best people; she and her coach are not the primary decision makers, and the fact he has multifaceted self serving concerns, which aren't always in Petra's best interest.

Why is it everyone has to be Czech (which is code for 'Cernosek's people')? Ni La won a French Open with a European coach. And Russian, Nadia Petrova is now doing great with a Spanish Coach. So have many others. What about Czech's in and out the country--even, not affiliated with Cernosek (if that's possible)?

I have no problem with Czech, Slovak or European personell considered first. It's national, regional or continental pride or covenience. I get it.

However, when a player lacks the basic essentials of world class team, she doesn't talk to an all time great player--that encourages it, and when someone is finally chosen--always seems to be connected to her manager-- while the players paying for it and suffering poor results on the court, while having other conflicts of interest to contend with--to boot--because of it/him.........

That's when I and other PEOPLE have a problem with it!

Excelscior
Nov 12th, 2012, 05:38 PM
I know that the Europeans will have no clue WTF we're talking about here:lol:,but it's gotta be different when you're a Bengals fan cuz you KNOW that Mike Brown is an assclown who's not gonna spend ANY money and,if by some miracle he DOES,he'll surely spend it foolishly...so you go into the season fully aware that you have practically ZERO shot at a SB and you don't get your hopes up....Similar story with the clown college MLB squads like the Mets who squander money on the worst,self-centered FA's that you could imagine,killing any hope of team chemistry...likewise with bottom-feeding barnacle Donald Sterling and his LA Clippers...

....But Petra actually has a reasonable shot at being a dominant player for years,so that's why we say to ourselves....if ONLY.....SOMEhow....by almost ANY means....she could hook up with the right people,we'd regularly see some awesome tennis from Petra:cool:

....Okay,the season's over,so I'm gonna take an NFL break for a few hours,folks....maybe even check out some Bears highlights with a Costa Rican chica on my lap:hehehe::wavey:

So did I.

But my teams sucked, and I didn't have a Costa Rican Chick on my lap either. :lol: :tape: :lol:

Excelscior
Nov 12th, 2012, 08:00 PM
Very interesting. The decision making process for a conditioning coach has begun.

It appears Cernosek has somebody in mind already. No surprise there.

Of course he would never DREAM of forcing his choice on poor little Petra and Coach Kotex. :rolleyes:

He's going to attend the meeting, glare across the table at P and Coach K, intimidate them both, and Petra will end up with some nobody who reports directly to Cernosek.

Let's hope he at least knows his business.

This being accomplished, it appears Coach Huggybear will keep his job for at least another year.

I can't wait to see how 2013 pans out.

In all fairness (since I've been one of the Negative Nannies), I'm sure Cernosek may have some excellent developmental people--as he runs Prostojev--at his disposal. I'm sure he does. And he may even have access to some excellent top 100-30-ish type tennis people, being involved in Czech Extraliga, Prague 100K and even Fed and Davis Cup as well. Sure! So it's not like guy doesn't have access to anyone.

However (as many have noted), he may not have any absolute highest level people at his disposal for a Grand Slam winner/serious contender, top 10 player like Petra. That IS THE PROBLEM, of course. And no matter how hard he searches IN HIS NETWORK, he probably won't find them (unless he gets lucky with Kotyza and any additional choices in 2013).

It's an entirely different level of consistency, goals, pressure, level of play, disappointment, etc., Petra's facing. Even Berdych; sure He's a top 10 player. However, he doesn't have the expectations and weight of the world on his shoulders that Petra currently does, being a non-Grand Slam winner--expected to dominate like her. This is why all these lengthy delays and crony selections, are so ass backwards, when you have a world (literally) of talent to choose from in Tennis. Plus, he's not a coach or real tennis person. So how would he know, who works best with Petra's game and style (over she, her coaches and her tennis advisors--which she unfortunately doesn't have outside of him)? He's the Czech Jerry Jones.

Nonetheless, we'll see what happens with our beloved Petra (not only with Kvitova's 2013 results, but if she gets any effective or world class coaches, specialist, advisers, fitness, medical consultation, etc., in her camp/stable)? :lol: :eek: :lol:

bruce goose
Nov 13th, 2012, 04:45 AM
Let's hope for the best Steni.

And I agree with you. It was mostly Petra's talent that carried her in 2011, cause she had no burdens, played freely, and didn't feel any pressure.WOW:eek:!This is VERY reminiscent of the VIP story;everyone had this false illusion that she was wise and mature just because she was able to speak a few languages and had some booksmarts...and now hindsight has shown us that she has the emotional maturity level of a shallow,spoiled 12-year-old...it's so pathetic that it's probably stand-up material at Serbian comedy clubs.

One of VIP's big complaints was/is that tennis wasn't/isn't fun anymore now that it's a JOB and not merely a carefree child's game......It'd be WORSE if this happened to Petra,too--not just because of the repeated agony but because Petra's a legitimately nice gal and not some phony slut who concocts a wholseome Virgin Mary image and then treats her handlers like manure.I'm too close as a Petra fan to have an impartial perspective,yet I'd like to think that Petra's love for tennis goes way beyond lame,highly-superficial dreams of stardom and photoshoots.In the end,she doesn't need to totally abandon her childlike joy with tennis to have a solid,consistent career.However,the correct balance between Fun and Career is something Petra must discover for herself

netphobia
Nov 13th, 2012, 03:44 PM
WOW:eek:!This is VERY reminiscent of the VIP story;everyone had this false illusion that she was wise and mature just because she was able to speak a few languages and had some booksmarts...and now hindsight has shown us that she has the emotional maturity level of a shallow,spoiled 12-year-old...it's so pathetic that it's probably stand-up material at Serbian comedy clubs.

One of VIP's big complaints was/is that tennis wasn't/isn't fun anymore now that it's a JOB and not merely a carefree child's game......It'd be WORSE if this happened to Petra,too--not just because of the repeated agony but because Petra's a legitimately nice gal and not some phony slut who concocts a wholseome Virgin Mary image and then treats her handlers like manure.I'm too close as a Petra fan to have an impartial perspective,yet I'd like to think that Petra's love for tennis goes way beyond lame,highly-superficial dreams of stardom and photoshoots.In the end,she doesn't need to totally abandon her childlike joy with tennis to have a solid,consistent career.However,the correct balance between Fun and Career is something Petra must discover for herself

:facepalm: What did she think it was going to be? a hobby?

I agree that I'm too biased, but watching Petra play in 2011 did not give me the impression that she was in it for anything other than the sport itself. Which is good, because the one thing I cannot stand in professional sports is when the athlete has no interest or love for the game.

Petronius
Nov 13th, 2012, 04:15 PM
:facepalm: What did she think it was going to be? a hobby?

I agree that I'm too biased, but watching Petra play in 2011 did not give me the impression that she was in it for anything other than the sport itself. Which is good, because the one thing I cannot stand in professional sports is when the athlete has no interest or love for the game.

Well said.

As they say, one of the best things that can happen to you is when your hobby becomes your profession, which means you do what you love and they even pay you for it!

Petra definitely loves tennis, but don't expect her to play until 40 or 50 like Navratilova. She's too family-oriented for that :lol:

Excelscior
Nov 13th, 2012, 05:19 PM
Well said.

As they say, one of the best things that can happen to you is when your hobby becomes your profession, which means you do what you love and they even pay you for it!

Petra definitely loves tennis, but don't expect her to play until 40 or 50 like Navratilova. She's too family-oriented for that :lol:

As well as other things (to Navratilova)!! :tape: :oh: :tape: :

Remember, you can't play when you're pregnant and carrying. Not sure Martina ever had that dilemma? :scratch: :oh: :scratch:

Petronius
Nov 13th, 2012, 07:03 PM
Off-topic, we have an extremely fun Davis Cup final on our hands.

Why:

(1) Radek made the semis in London and is now world #4 in doubles and with Tomas they have a 11-1 Davis Cup record, BUT the 6th-seeded Spaniards have just triumphed in London, basically out of nowhere !!

The doubles match can easily go to five sets and offer lots of drama given the current form and track-record of all four players.

(2) Berdych-Ferrer - world #6 vs. world #5, H2H 3-4, extremely close matchup, may decide the outcome of the final. You can't ask for more.

(3) Stepanek-Almagro - Radek leads H2H 2-1, but Almagro won their last match in August and is much younger. On the other hand, there's still a chance that a fresh Radek may pull an upset with home crowd support.

(4) The Czech team captain has an ace up his sleeve: the Spanish 'killer' Lukas Rosol, who ended Nadal's 2012 season.

(5) The atmosphere will be amazing, with Ivan Lendl, Pavel Slozil, Jan Kodes and other well-known past players in the audience. I wouldn't be suprised if Petra and a few other Czech chicks showed up as well.

:dance:

Embittered
Nov 13th, 2012, 07:08 PM
Remember, you can't play when you're pregnant and carrying. <snip>
Argh. Why did you have to say that? I realise you're probably making an ironic reference to the popular GM description of Petra's shape, and at any rate not being serious. But I can't help myself, and you've made me bootlessly waste several minutes searching 1960s Wimbledon draw sheets on wikipedia.

I don't believe there's a rule against playing pregnant. Pregnancy isn't mentioned at all in the ITF circuit regs, and only in relation to special ranks in the WTA tour rules.

I remember Christine Janes (nee Truman) doing Wimbledon commentary a few years back talking about playing a relatively late term American opponent at Wimbledon, as well as later playing in the early stages of pregnancy herself. I've been trying to work out who the American was, but none of the opponents' names really fits the bill.

Excelscior
Nov 13th, 2012, 07:19 PM
Argh. Why did you have to say that? I realise you're probably making an ironic reference to the popular GM description of Petra's shape, and at any rate not being serious. But I can't help myself, and you've made me bootlessly waste several minutes searching 1960s Wimbledon draw sheets on wikipedia.

I don't believe there's a rule against playing pregnant. Pregnancy isn't mentioned at all in the ITF circuit regs, and only in relation to special ranks in the WTA tour rules.

I remember Christine Janes (nee Truman) doing Wimbledon commentary a few years back talking about playing a relatively late term American opponent at Wimbledon, as well as later playing in the early stages of pregnancy herself. I've been trying to work out who the American was, but none of the opponents' names really fits the bill.


Actually no.

I was making a reference to the fact that Nav's is a Lesbian, who never carried, so could play tennis 40 yrs straight. :lol:

That's was it. :tape:

bruce goose
Nov 13th, 2012, 08:13 PM
Off-topic, we have an extremely fun Davis Cup final on our hands.

Why:

(1) Radek made the semis in London and is now world #4 in doubles and with Tomas they have a 11-1 Davis Cup record, BUT the 6th-seeded Spaniards have just triumphed in London, basically out of nowhere !!

The doubles match can easily go to five sets and offer lots of drama given the current form and track-record of all four players.

(2) Berdych-Ferrer - world #6 vs. world #5, H2H 3-4, extremely close matchup, may decide the outcome of the final. You can't ask for more.

(3) Stepanek-Almagro - Radek leads H2H 2-1, but Almagro won their last match in August and is much younger. On the other hand, there's still a chance that a fresh Radek may pull an upset with home crowd support.

(4) The Czech team captain has an ace up his sleeve: the Spanish 'killer' Lukas Rosol, who ended Nadal's 2012 season.

(5) The atmosphere will be amazing, with Ivan Lendl, Pavel Slozil, Jan Kodes and other well-known past players in the audience. I wouldn't be suprised if Petra and a few other Czech chicks showed up as well.

:dance:We actually HAVE an off-topic thread,Petronius,where you can include whatever you'd like...but at least you talked about Petra's kinsmen,so I suppose the above wasn't so terrible in the big picture

Petronius
Nov 14th, 2012, 08:42 AM
We actually HAVE an off-topic thread,Petronius,where you can include whatever you'd like...but at least you talked about Petra's kinsmen,so I suppose the above wasn't so terrible in the big picture

I think that Petra and other Czech female players will turn up for the match to support their male counterparts so my post was actually on topic :p

Queen Petra Fan
Nov 14th, 2012, 11:01 AM
In all fairness (since I've been one of the Negative Nannies), I'm sure Cernosek may have some excellent developmental people--as he runs Prostojev--at his disposal. I'm sure he does. And he may even have access to some excellent top 100-30-ish type tennis people, being involved in Czech Extraliga, Prague 100K and even Fed and Davis Cup as well. Sure! So it's not like guy doesn't have access to anyone.

However (as many have noted), he may not have any absolute highest level people at his disposal for a Grand Slam winner/serious contender, top 10 player like Petra. That IS THE PROBLEM, of course. And no matter how hard he searches IN HIS NETWORK, he probably won't find them (unless he gets lucky with Kotyza and any additional choices in 2013).

It's an entirely different level of consistency, goals, pressure, level of play, disappointment, etc., Petra's facing. Even Berdych; sure He's a top 10 player. However, he doesn't have the expectations and weight of the world on his shoulders that Petra currently does, being a non-Grand Slam winner--expected to dominate like her. This is why all these lengthy delays and crony selections, are so ass backwards, when you have a world (literally) of talent to choose from in Tennis. Plus, he's not a coach or real tennis person. So how would he know, who works best with Petra's game and style (over she, her coaches and her tennis advisors--which she unfortunately doesn't have outside of him)? He's the Czech Jerry Jones.

Nonetheless, we'll see what happens with our beloved Petra (not only with Kvitova's 2013 results, but if she gets any effective or world class coaches, specialist, advisers, fitness, medical consultation, etc., in her camp/stable)? :lol: :eek: :lol:


'He's the Czech Jerry Jones.' LOL. Line of the year! :haha:

But he's also a paranoid numbnut who doesn't realize by depriving her of what she needs to be the best, he's also sabotaging her results and thus reducing his own paydays!!! What a small minded huckster idiot.

He also probably doesn't realize by restricting her, and over controlling her so much, he's setting himself up for losing her. Eventually she will talk to another player or someone in the sport/business she respects and trusts, and she will realize how stupidly she's being handled. It's inevitable IMHO.

This year we saw at the end Petra was pretty fed up with quite a few things. I wonder if Cernosek is/was also on that list?? Hmmm...

We'll see.

Queen Petra Fan
Nov 14th, 2012, 11:05 AM
Off-topic, we have an extremely fun Davis Cup final on our hands.

Why:

(1) Radek made the semis in London and is now world #4 in doubles and with Tomas they have a 11-1 Davis Cup record, BUT the 6th-seeded Spaniards have just triumphed in London, basically out of nowhere !!

The doubles match can easily go to five sets and offer lots of drama given the current form and track-record of all four players.

(2) Berdych-Ferrer - world #6 vs. world #5, H2H 3-4, extremely close matchup, may decide the outcome of the final. You can't ask for more.

(3) Stepanek-Almagro - Radek leads H2H 2-1, but Almagro won their last match in August and is much younger. On the other hand, there's still a chance that a fresh Radek may pull an upset with home crowd support.

(4) The Czech team captain has an ace up his sleeve: the Spanish 'killer' Lukas Rosol, who ended Nadal's 2012 season.

(5) The atmosphere will be amazing, with Ivan Lendl, Pavel Slozil, Jan Kodes and other well-known past players in the audience. I wouldn't be suprised if Petra and a few other Czech chicks showed up as well.

:dance:


Kicking myself for not buying a ticket to the final.

Time to beg from some of my corporate clients.....:help:

Petronius
Nov 14th, 2012, 12:21 PM
What a small minded huckster idiot.

Please keep it classy, guys. Thanks.

And no, I'm not affiliated to Mr. Černošek in any way, but the guy is running a leading European tennis academy and a world-class talent like Petra is the product of this academy. He has full right to look after his product and protect his investment. Of course, as times goes by, Petra will have more and more say on every detail of her career, whether on- or off-court. Be patient.

They have built the academy from scratch. Before he took over as the CEO, most of the best Czech players came from the Prague area (Navratilova, Mandlikova, Korda, Sukova). Since 1990s, the Černošek-run facility has been the undisputed leader in the country.

Once again, please don't drag the level of this subforum to the level of some GM threads.

Thanks!

bruce goose
Nov 14th, 2012, 01:32 PM
Should have commented on Ex's reference earlier: In reality,Jerry Jones was a starter on a national championship-winning team at the University of Arkansas.To my knowledge,he didn't have any pro playing career at all,but he DID reach the peak at the collegiate level so he has a FAR better grasp than most owners on how the sport is played.Is he meddlesome at times? OF COURSE,but he's not dabbling in ignorance,so a more fitting comparison would be DANIEL SNYDER who's used his Skins fanship as a justification for interfering in personnel matters for which he didn't have the first f--kin' clue.And,like Petra's boss,he hired servile stooges as yes-men to masquerade as General Managers for many years.Finally,he came clean,after being pressured by the NFL offices,and got a legit,full-time GM...and the team is back on the right path with RGIII as a star to lead the way.

I'm sure that Petra won't have any inkling about these names we're using IF she even reads this:lol:,but at least she'll understand the basic theme and,perhaps,speak to a veteran OR former,retired star and get some extra input on having the right management team

Excelscior
Nov 14th, 2012, 03:15 PM
Please keep it classy, guys. Thanks.

And no, I'm not affiliated to Mr. Černošek in any way, but the guy is running a leading European tennis academy and a world-class talent like Petra is the product of this academy. He has full right to look after his product and protect his investment. Of course, as times goes by, Petra will have more and more say on every detail of her career, whether on- or off-court. Be patient.

They have built the academy from scratch. Before he took over as the CEO, most of the best Czech players came from the Prague area (Navratilova, Mandlikova, Korda, Sukova). Since 1990s, the Černošek-run facility has been the undisputed leader in the country.

Once again, please don't drag the level of this subforum to the level of some GM threads.

Thanks!

I respectfully disagree Petronius. And many of us have or been business people.

As I said to you before, Cernosek has too many hands in the Cookie Jar. Nonetheless, so be it! The real problem (as QPF mentioned) is, Petra's not getting the best management, personell and decisions made at the moment--because of it.

And Paranoia is not good. When is it ever? :shrug: Are you serious?

And just because you run a developmental facility, it doesn't mean you "own" a player. Though those type of relationships have existed many times in the past, it doesn't make it any less shady when it currently happens. Managers, coaches and agents, lose talent all the time in entertainment and sports. The problem with THIS relationship is, Csernosek acts like he's the viable TALENT and Petra is the LESSER COMMODITY--when he/she's not! It should never be that way.

QPF is right! Petra could go to any Manager around the world, and nothing would change. You can even make the argument (as QPF alluded to), that living in the Czech Republic, and being under the thumb of a controlling Czech tennis facility owner, tennis event promoter, active politics and her megalomaniac manager, may be too much for her now. Ideally, you would NOT want to learn tennis, currently train, play Czech tournaments, have tennis decisions made and be managed all by the same person. That's just too much. Do you deny this?

I understand that was your Czech pride talking Petronius. And I appreciate and understand it dearly. Great country, with a great tennis tradition. Absolutely. And I know this open discussion may be tough.

Nonetheless, Cernosek can still develop tennis players in his country (though realistically he gets the best of the different age groups), with or with out Petra. By you're logic, every tennis player that's ever rolled through Nick Bollettieri's Tennis Academy, are indentured to him for life. Thank god he doesn't feel that way. I don't even think he even manages people? :shrug: And if he ever has, it's obviously not a major focus. He likes to keep that separate, as he should. Good for him!

As I said, the MAIN problem is, Cernosek's got too many hands and people dipping in the Cookie Jar, including Petra's. All this, creates clear conflicts of interest, poor management and decision making, which we see clearly displayed now. If that wasn't the case, none of us would be talking about this currently--even in off season. :lol: Lets be honest here. At the moment the relationship best suits Milos Cernosek, not Petra Kvitova. :eek:

Though I know you would not agree, I have no problem with Petra leaving him, if she couldn't exercise more control over her career. And I'm sure encouraging/forcing Petra to play these tournaments (or to at least rushing her to make the decisions publically, if she would have played them anyway), is not making Petra feel any better/happier.

I Have nothing expressly against Cernosek. However, my concern and rooting interest (as 99.9% of the fans) allies with the player--so I can see more great tennis played by her. That's what fans pay to see. And if we notice decisions and conflict of interest that negatively impact that, what else are we supposed to say? :shrug:

Petra owes him nothing, especially when Cernosek can't separate or suppress his myriad conflict of interest, concerning her tennis decisions. :shrug:

Excelscior
Nov 14th, 2012, 03:18 PM
Should have commented on Ex's reference earlier: In reality,Jerry Jones was a starter on a national championship-winning team at the University of Arkansas.To my knowledge,he didn't have any pro playing career at all,but he DID reach the peak at the collegiate level so he has a FAR better grasp than most owners on how the sport is played.Is he meddlesome at times? OF COURSE,but he's not dabbling in ignorance,so a more fitting comparison would be DANIEL SNYDER who's used his Skins fanship as a justification for interfering in personnel matters for which he didn't have the first f--kin' clue.And,like Petra's boss,he hired servile stooges as yes-men to masquerade as General Managers for many years.Finally,he came clean,after being pressured by the NFL offices,and got a legit,full-time GM...and the team is back on the right path with RGIII as a star to lead the way.

I'm sure that Petra won't have any inkling about these names we're using IF she even reads this:lol:,but at least she'll understand the basic theme and,perhaps,speak to a veteran OR former,retired star and get some extra input on having the right management team

Actually, I chose Jerry Jones, for exactly what you said (and other reasons). :lol:

Jerry Jones played in a national championship at Arkansas. And Cernosek is involved in tennis at multiple levels at Prostejov, Extraliga, Fed Cup, Davis Cup, Prague 100K, etc.. Yeah, they both have some experience. However, neither experience makes either one of them qualified to make current high level player, strategic and personell decisions.

Keep in mind, Jerry Jones hadn't played or coached football for decades. At least Cernosek has been involved in sports/tennis for years (unless Petronius can correct me). So Jones is almost as bad as Snyder (some may say worse, cause his College experience back in the day, may actually make him feel realistically qualified). :lol:

However, the reason why I chose him, was because both Jones and Cernosek struck gold and had major success (Jones with Jimmy Johnson and the Herschel Walker Trade Bonanza, and Cernosek with Petra, Ivanko and Kotyza 2011 windfall), and now both feel they can run their product better than the people who made the moves happen, cultivated, coached and executed the talent. :lol:

Hopefully/we all pray that Cernosek won't be like Jones--5-10 years from now, reminiscing about the good old days, praying for future Petra success after years of continued/annual disappointment, like JJ has with the Cowboys.

That was my reason. But yes, Daniel Snyder is a mess as well (and why you try to mess up my Jerry Jones joke/crack). :lol:

Excelscior
Nov 14th, 2012, 03:22 PM
'He's the Czech Jerry Jones.' LOL. Line of the year! :haha:

But he's also a paranoid numbnut who doesn't realize by depriving her of what she needs to be the best, he's also sabotaging her results and thus reducing his own paydays!!! What a small minded huckster idiot.

He also probably doesn't realize by restricting her, and over controlling her so much, he's setting himself up for losing her. Eventually she will talk to another player or someone in the sport/business she respects and trusts, and she will realize how stupidly she's being handled. It's inevitable IMHO.

This year we saw at the end Petra was pretty fed up with quite a few things. I wonder if Cernosek is/was also on that list?? Hmmm...

We'll see.

Thanks (on JJ LOTY).

Everything you said made perfect sense (though I'm sure Petronius didn't like the "numb nut, small minded huckster, idiot" comment). :yeah:

But trust me, we all know where it comes from. :lol:

Excelscior
Nov 14th, 2012, 03:27 PM
I'm sure that Petra won't have any inkling about these names we're using IF she even reads this:lol:,but at least she'll understand the basic theme and,perhaps,speak to a veteran OR former,retired star and get some extra input on having the right management team

We'll see; we hope, and how soon? :eek: :oh: :eek:

bruce goose
Nov 14th, 2012, 07:56 PM
Actually, I chose Jerry Jones, for exactly what you said (and other reasons). :lol:

Jerry Jones played in a national championship at Arkansas. And Cernosek is involved in tennis at multiple levels at Prostejov, Extraliga, Fed Cup, Davis Cup, Prague 100K, etc.. Yeah, they both have some experience. However, neither experience makes either one of them qualified to make current high level player, strategic and personell decisions.

Keep in mind, Jerry Jones hadn't played or coached football for decades. At least Cernosek has been involved in sports/tennis for years (unless Petronius can correct me). So Jones is almost as bad as Snyder (some may say worse, cause his College experience back in the day, may actually make him feel realistically qualified). :lol:

However, the reason why I chose him, was because both Jones and Cernosek struck gold and had major success (Jones with Jimmy Johnson and the Herschel Walker Trade Bonanza, and Cernosek with Petra, Ivanko and Kotyza 2011 windfall), and now both feel they can run their product better than the people who made the moves happen, cultivated, coached and executed the talent. :lol:

Hopefully/we all pray that Cernosek won't be like Jones--5-10 years from now, reminiscing about the good old days, praying for future Petra success after years of continued/annual disappointment, like JJ has with the Cowboys.

That was my reason. But yes, Daniel Snyder is a mess as well (and why you try to mess up my Jerry Jones joke/crack). :lol:Correct me if I'm wrong,but Cermosek never played the sport at ANY kind of high level;he's simply a businessman who organized tennis leagues and such.That means that JJ has a much superior first-hand knowledge of his sport than the Czech does.While I agree that JJ undermines the idea of a healthy NFL management structure,he's not completely ignorant,either.He has plenty enough common sense that he wouldn't have his players practice seven days per week(= Petra's USO swing with zero rest:rolleyes:),and he has selected some fine talent in his dual owner/GM role.I'm not justifying JJ's abuse of power,only saying that he's got much more common sense on how to treat his players and analyze the sport.....Petra is the Corey Dillon of the WTA;marooned for years on Bengals Island Prison,Corey finally got his freedom and won a SB with the Pats by shining as their lead RB.....I can picture Petra shining again--over the LONG term--if she just listens to sound advice from veterans or wise,retired players.

Excelscior
Nov 14th, 2012, 08:33 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong,but Cermosek never played the sport at ANY kind of high level;he's simply a businessman who organized tennis leagues and such.That means that JJ has a much superior first-hand knowledge of his sport than the Czech does.While I agree that JJ undermines the idea of a healthy NFL management structure,he's not completely ignorant,either.He has plenty enough common sense that he wouldn't have his players practice seven days per week(= Petra's USO swing with zero rest:rolleyes:),and he has selected some fine talent in his dual owner/GM role.I'm not justifying JJ's abuse of power,only saying that he's got much more common sense on how to treat his players and analyze the sport.....Petra is the Corey Dillon of the WTA;marooned for years on Bengals Island Prison,Corey finally got his freedom and won a SB with the Pats by shining as their lead RB.....I can picture Petra shining again--over the LONG term--if she just listens to sound advice from veterans or wise,retired players.

Correct (as far as I know).

Like I said, I used each one as an examples, cause it appears both of them thinks their individual experience doing both (in Jones case--playing football way, way, way back), gives them current insight. :lol:

And the BUSINESSMEN part is what scares me for Petra--when a guy has his hands so often in the cookie Jar. That line Petronius used about Cersonek's investment scared me. I'm sure the man's been duly compensated. Petra owes him nothing. He doesn't own her. But it sure sounded that way.

That's the problem when tennis development, training, events, promotion, advice and management in general. They don't always go hand in hand with player needs, depending at where they are in their career. It's even worse, when it's controlled by one person, who's primary goal is to make money and be profitable in each area. When this happens/these things converge, you're going to have conflicts of interest.

So far, Cernosek hasn't shown he's above any of this.

Excelscior
Nov 14th, 2012, 11:23 PM
PS (to Bruce and Petronius--so he doesn't think I want to steal Petra way from Cernosek with out reason): :lol:

OK. Let's take a look at Usain Bolt's set up and situation. He's an athlete much more famous and successful than Petra, in a country much smaller than The Czech Republic. Imagine the pressure on him, Right?

I know this appears long. But check this out! It's good food for thought.

Usain's Bolt's Agent is RICKY SIMMS of Pace Sports Management. He's Irish.

The Irishman is responsible for organizing all Bolt’s appearances around the world and has been by his side at all the major meetings for eight years.

His coach is GLEN MILLS, of Racers Track Club in Jamaica for which Bolt runs-- (but Mills doesn't own). Keep in mind, Bolt was a VERY TALENTED and well known underachiever--after early success--with his previous coaches, before he found Mills, who brought out the World Championship, Olympic dedication and success.

His Manager is NORMAN PEART -- PEART is noted be the Jamaican's stars business manager and one-time mentor. He was brought in by the family to look after Bolt when he moved to Kingston at the age of 17 and supposedly deals with all his commercial contracts (though I've heard Ricky Simms talk alot about Usain's global earnings, appearance and endorsement potential in articles).

The Doctor: German HANS MULLER-WOHLFAHRT is the doctor Usain paid tribute to after his 100m win.

A familiar name in football, the medic has been the go-to man whenever Bolt has had problems with his back and hamstrings.

The Best Friend-NJ WALKER has been Usain’s best friend since primary school.

Nobody knows the man better than NJ, who is his closest confidant. Walker is a qualified teacher and rarely leaves Bolt’s side away from the track.

Ok, so that's Bolts Team tight knit team, as far as we know (from me and various publications).

Now let's even forget the fact that Bolt's Agent--Ricky Simms is not Jamaican.

Here's my argument: Ever since Bolt's Ground Shaking Olympics at Beijing in 2008, many observers in the endorsement business thought Bolt was going to leave Ricky Simms for one of the big time (IMG, etc.) Tennis Player, Golf, Basketball or Football (proper) agents. Simms mainly deals with relatively "Light weight"--in comparison track and Field/Athletics performers. However, to Usain Bolt's credit, he didn't. That's your argument Petronius. "Stay with who brought you there (though Bolt never developed under Simms as a youth)" OK. I got it.

Fast forward to 2012, and Usain is supposedly now making $20mil a year in endorsements and appearance fees with Simms. That's certainly better than before for him. And it's far more than any other "athletics" sportsmen at the moment or ever (and maybe it will go up even more the next few years). Nonetheless, they're many observers who feel, "that's still not enough". They think Bolt should be making $30-$50mil per yr with his fame, especially after this Olympics. We'll see?

Currently, many of these critics feel (and in the past), Bolt should dump the expendable Ricky Simms--as Li Na did after the French Open, and get one of those big time Agents outside of Athletics/aka Track & Field, and "Cash In".

Now here's the big difference with the Bolt and Petra situations Petronius. Ricky Simms is NOT INVOLVED in Usain's training or Preparation. Glen Mills (as he should) runs that. So one can argue, if "Bolt doesn't want to change his agent and make a 'paltry' $ 20 mil a yr, that's on him". Cause at least his Agent (or his manager for that matter), haven't affected his great, legendary performance and results on the track. They're totally separate. Can you say the same for Petra and Cernosek?

Think about it? Simms does essentially what Csernosek does. He just doesn't have the title of Manager (a close family confidante--they can trust--instead has that distinction). Neither does Simms have the added responsibility of having Bolt train at his facilities, appear in his events, represent his country or districts on a regular basis, as well as be his first line for associated personell or career direction and advise (unless Bolt wants him to). They're much less conflicts of interest (or opportunities for manipulation there). Big Difference!!

It's so clear. In both concept and results; Bolt has a better team. And imagine the inherent pressure and scrutiny HE MUST HAVE at home? :eek:

Though he still lives in Track & Field crazy/proficient Jamaica (and reps the country proudly); Bolt has a strong, successful international team, that's still Jamaican at it's heart. Why can't Petra do that? :shrug:

bruce goose
Nov 15th, 2012, 03:36 AM
Correct (as far as I know).

Like I said, I used each one as an examples, cause it appears both of them thinks their individual experience doing both (in Jones case--playing football way, way, way back), gives them current insight. :lol:

And the BUSINESSMEN part is what scares me for Petra--when a guy has his hands so often in the cookie Jar. That line Petronius used about Cersonek's investment scared me. I'm sure the man's been duly compensated. Petra owes him nothing. He doesn't own her. But it sure sounded that way.

That's the problem when tennis development, training, events, promotion, advice and management in general. They don't always go hand in hand with player needs, depending at where they are in their career. It's even worse, when it's controlled by one person, who's primary goal is to make money and be profitable in each area. When this happens/these things converge, you're going to have conflicts of interest.

So far, Cernosek hasn't shown he's above any of this.The only distinction that I'd like to make about JJ--even though I don't really LIKE him,per se--is that,IMHO,he has a genuine,burning passion for the sport;his team isn't just some rich boy's toy that he plays with.I only have the most superficial knowledge of Cernosek,but I'd be suspicious of ANY racehorse owner who let brothers Gomer and Goober Pyle handle his thoroughbred......Don't mean to be disrespectful of Petra in comparing her to a horse,yet that's the clearest illustration that I can think of right now.Just can't imagine how anyone who supposedly loved a sport would allow such amateurish management of a rare jewel such as Petra.....No offense intended,Ex,but MAYBE this guy uses tennis like Americans use church: They couldn't care less about God,but it's a convenient place for them to make business contacts and expand their social network:shrug:

Excelscior
Nov 15th, 2012, 01:55 PM
The only distinction that I'd like to make about JJ--even though I don't really LIKE him,per se--is that,IMHO,he has a genuine,burning passion for the sport;his team isn't just some rich boy's toy that he plays with.I only have the most superficial knowledge of Cernosek,but I'd be suspicious of ANY racehorse owner who let brothers Gomer and Goober Pyle handle his thoroughbred......Don't mean to be disrespectful of Petra in comparing her to a horse,yet that's the clearest illustration that I can think of right now.Just can't imagine how anyone who supposedly loved a sport would allow such amateurish management of a rare jewel such as Petra.....No offense intended,Ex,but MAYBE this guy uses tennis like Americans use church: They couldn't care less about God,but it's a convenient place for them to make business contacts and expand their social network:shrug:

I know what you mean: One is doing it for the love of the sport, competition and/or his own Ego. And the other is doing it to make money, while treating Petra like a commodity (your horse analogy), a Chess pieces or another business asset. I got you.

Unfortunately, that businessman, seems to have an ego to (at least when speaking to the press about how he can get Petra to do stuff, and making suggestions to her). :lol: :eek: :lol:

bruce goose
Nov 15th, 2012, 02:09 PM
I know what you mean: One is doing it for the love of the sport, competition and/or his own Ego. And the other is doing it to make money, while treating Petra like a commodity (your horse analogy), a Chess pieces or another business asset. I got you.

Unfortunately, that businessman, seems to have an ego to (at least when speaking to the press about how he can get Petra to do stuff, and making suggestions to her). :lol: :eek: :lol:Yes,but I hope that sweet Petra is strong-willed enough to at least question the arrangement and listen to alternatives from others

Queen Petra Fan
Nov 15th, 2012, 05:00 PM
Please keep it classy, guys. Thanks.

And no, I'm not affiliated to Mr. Černošek in any way, but the guy is running a leading European tennis academy and a world-class talent like Petra is the product of this academy. He has full right to look after his product and protect his investment. Of course, as times goes by, Petra will have more and more say on every detail of her career, whether on- or off-court. Be patient.

They have built the academy from scratch. Before he took over as the CEO, most of the best Czech players came from the Prague area (Navratilova, Mandlikova, Korda, Sukova). Since 1990s, the Černošek-run facility has been the undisputed leader in the country.

Once again, please don't drag the level of this subforum to the level of some GM threads.

Thanks!

I think you know I always respect your opinions Petronius.

In this case I was only making light of the fact that Mr. Cernosek might be screwing himself in the end (no pun intended) because of his insecurities regarding Petra. With Hingis he didn't do enough and lost her. With Petra, it might turn out to be the opposite extreme. He needs to find a balance that shows he sincerely cares about her and her future and not just about filling his pockets and pleasing his corporate and political buddies at her expense. By doing this, he could actually maximize his investment.

If he fails to do this, he will live up to my example. Time will tell. :cool:

BTW: I hate to hear or read about Petra described as anybody's 'product'. It's a disgusting description for obvious reasons.

18majors
Nov 15th, 2012, 05:10 PM
I think you know I always respect your opinions Petronius.

In this case I was only making light of the fact that Mr. Cernosek might be screwing himself in the end (no pun intended) because of his insecurities regarding Petra. With Hingis he didn't do enough and lost her. With Petra, it might turn out to be the opposite extreme. He needs to find a balance that shows he sincerely cares about her and her future and not just about filling his pockets and pleasing his corporate and political buddies at her expense. By doing this, he could actually maximize his investment.

If he fails to do this, he will live up to my example. Time will tell. :cool:

BTW: I hate to hear or read about Petra described as anybody's 'product'. It's a disgusting description for obvious reasons.

I've to agree that Petra is her own person, not any other people's product.

Excelscior
Nov 15th, 2012, 05:14 PM
I think you know I always respect your opinions Petronius.

In this case I was only making light of the fact that Mr. Cernosek might be screwing himself in the end (no pun intended) because of his insecurities regarding Petra. With Hingis he didn't do enough and lost her. With Petra, it might turn out to be the opposite extreme. He needs to find a balance that shows he sincerely cares about her and her future and not just about filling his pockets and pleasing his corporate and political buddies at her expense. By doing this, he could actually maximize his investment.

If he fails to do this, he will live up to my example. Time will tell. :cool:

BTW: I hate to hear or read about Petra described as anybody's 'product'. It's a disgusting description for obvious reasons.

Agreed.

That's scary indeed. Sounds like he owns her. Bruce described this type of thinking, as people treating Petra like she's some kind of [Race] "Horse" or something. I said a [lesser] "commodity" myself.

So yeah, Petronius's description and Cernosek's sense of entitlement and apparent arrogance made me uncomfortable as well.

netphobia
Nov 15th, 2012, 08:00 PM
Ick. As rewarding as I imagine it would be to be a professional tennis player I wonder if it would include resigning yourself to be pushed around by people that think of you as a product, commodity, moneymaker, or something to that effect. (When I say that, I don't mean you guys using those terms as examples ;) )

Surely there are players who control a lot of their own team and management, but that really is the purpose of a GM or agent I suppose.

This whole Cernosek thing is :o A few pages back he was listed as being the one who said he missed a great opportunity to "cash in" (so to speak) on Martina Hingis, right? Because she played at the Prostejov club for a while? He sounds like quite the businessman...

bruce goose
Nov 16th, 2012, 04:36 AM
Just so we're clear,folks,that was only a metaphor for illustrative purposes;even though I love animals plenty,Petra is immeasurably more precious than ANY racehorse to me

paulmara
Nov 16th, 2012, 12:09 PM
A few pages back he was listed as being the one who said he missed a great opportunity to "cash in" (so to speak) on Martina Hingis, right? Because she played at the Prostejov club for a while?

What I understood she was most likely under his club contract for 11 years old kids.

http://www.rozhlas.cz/radiozurnal/host/_zprava/miroslav-cernosek-sportovni-manazer--1126522

Raiden
Nov 16th, 2012, 01:14 PM
This is a funny discussion.
Unlike most of you here I'm not sure this Cernosek issue is as big of a deal one way or another. In fact I'm more worried about someone else: that British/Canadian woman that WTA decided to assign to Petra - what is her deal? I hope Petra is not paying her money cuz I don't see too much of a change in Petra's English or any other proficiencies that justifies the hiring of an expensive personal assistant. It looks like Petra's capacity to present herself in interviews and the like is developing at the same rate as it would under any circumstances.

So if Petra is paying that woman lots of money then it's a waste and she should be fired (let her stick around only if WTA is covering the cost :p

Excelscior
Nov 16th, 2012, 02:52 PM
This is a funny discussion.
Unlike most of you here I'm not sure this Cernosek issue is as big of a deal one way or another. In fact I'm more worried about someone else: that British/Canadian woman that WTA decided to assign to Petra - what is her deal? I hope Petra is not paying her money cuz I don't see too much of a change in Petra's English or any other proficiencies that justifies the hiring of an expensive personal assistant. It looks like Petra's capacity to present herself in interviews and the like is developing at the same rate as it would under any circumstances.

So if Petra is paying that woman lots of money then it's a waste and she should be fired (let her stick around only if WTA is covering the cost :p

Why would you be worried about Katie? You think she's a spy or something? :lol:

Don't worry. I'm sure Petra pays (if she does any) less money to this Katie woman, than she does to Mr. Cernosek.

And I'm not sure if you were being humorous, but it's pretty clear why people here are up in arms (along with it being the off season): Cernosek appears to have a lot of control, conflicts of interest, personell selections and revenue streams involving/over Petra.

These are many of reasons why people switch their management, Agents, coaches, etc., all the time (especially when it affects their tennis, control or finances). Ultimately, we care more about the tennis (though some care about Petra's well being as well). Hope your joking. :eek:

PS: And leave Katie alone. She served her purpose already. Didn't Petra credit her with winning her two North American hardcourt tournaments? :lol: :yeah: :lol:

Excelscior
Nov 16th, 2012, 03:59 PM
What I understood she was most likely under his club contract for 11 years old kids.

http://www.rozhlas.cz/radiozurnal/host/_zprava/miroslav-cernosek-sportovni-manazer--1126522

Didn't read the article. But I would have left the guy to, if he would have signed me to a club contract as an 11 yr old. :lol:

Raiden
Nov 16th, 2012, 04:57 PM
Why would you be worried about Katie? You think she's a spy or something? :lol: Exactly!

Cuz after all she's the one who was appointed/assigned to Petra by WTA bureaucracy (NOT Petra who chose her in a free market.

PS: And leave Katie alone. She served her purpose already.No, here's the deal: you stick to your Kvitty personnel gripes, I stick to mine (which happens to be that I don't trust a career WTA "apparatchik").

TimeyWimey
Nov 16th, 2012, 08:06 PM
This is a funny discussion.
Unlike most of you here I'm not sure this Cernosek issue is as big of a deal one way or another. In fact I'm more worried about someone else: that British/Canadian woman that WTA decided to assign to Petra - what is her deal? I hope Petra is not paying her money cuz I don't see too much of a change in Petra's English or any other proficiencies that justifies the hiring of an expensive personal assistant. It looks like Petra's capacity to present herself in interviews and the like is developing at the same rate as it would under any circumstances.

So if Petra is paying that woman lots of money then it's a waste and she should be fired (let her stick around only if WTA is covering the cost :p

I don't see what you're worrying about? Katie is not there helping Petra improve her ENGLISH, even if she couldn't speak a single word, it's fine for me

at least from the feedback around, Petra is genuinely happy when she's with Katie

bruce goose
Nov 17th, 2012, 04:35 AM
at least from the feedback around, Petra is genuinely happy when she's with KatieThat's not always the best barometer of a sound relationship;I've seen plenty of junkies who are VERy happy whenever their dealer comes around.However,I get and agree with your general point,and I also haven't seen any evidence yet that the assistant has any negative impact on Petra

paulmara
Nov 17th, 2012, 09:03 AM
Pavel Složil comments

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis-fed-cup/133237/slozil-kvitova-zatim-dominovat-nebude-safarova-na-desitku-ma.html

bruce goose
Nov 17th, 2012, 01:37 PM
Pavel Složil comments

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis-fed-cup/133237/slozil-kvitova-zatim-dominovat-nebude-safarova-na-desitku-ma.htmlUmmmm...well,we non-Czechs could use our imaginations to guess at how Pavel feels about Lucie and Petra;),but a brief summary from YOU wouldn't hurt

Lufa
Nov 17th, 2012, 01:44 PM
Slozil is very, VERY open (he trained Graf at her peak, so he is allowed talk straight about non pleasant things)
rough translation of Petra's part:
- in late 2011 he predicted that Petra wont dominate in 2012 for sure, maybe win few tourneys
- she isn't good enough (yet) to be on par with in form Serena/Masha (brain, fitness, ...)
- he didn't know for quite a time that she had asthma problems
- he recommends her to eventually contact Marian Vajda (to change few things in health/fitness/food - Djoko like)
- he openly said that she is fat a and that is a a big reason (often with ashma) that she cannot compete at 100%
- her overweight is cause of lack of fitness and that is big factor to her confidence in matches
- he suspect that she isn't traning hard enough in fitness area
- he said that she is for sure better than 8th in the world, but ... all of above

BTW, He often arranged that Graf hit with Lendl, Becker, Leconte, ... after she won 60 60 in first GS rounds to have some training :)
Pity that he refuses to couching anybody again.

BTW, few days ago I was at Vajda/Djoko exho, and their relationship looks even better than Petra/Kotyza
I really would like to see Vajda coaching Petra and bring her to the top :)

Pavel Složil comments

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis-fed-cup/133237/slozil-kvitova-zatim-dominovat-nebude-safarova-na-desitku-ma.html

Excelscior
Nov 17th, 2012, 02:05 PM
Slozil is very, VERY open (he trained Graf at her peak, so he is allowed talk straight about non pleasant things)
rough translation of Petra's part:
- in late 2011 he predicted that Petra wont dominate in 2012 for sure, maybe win few tourneys
- she isn't good enough (yet) to be on par with in form Serena/Masha (brain, fitness, ...)
- he didn't know for quite a time that she had asthma problems
- he recommends her to eventually contact Marian Vajda (to change few things in health/fitness/food - Djoko like)
- he openly said that she is fat a and that is a a big reason (often with ashma) that she cannot compete at 100%
- her overweight is cause of lack of fitness and that is big factor to her confidence in matches
- he suspect that she isn't traning hard enough in fitness area
- he said that she is for sure better than 8th in the world, but ... all of above

BTW, He often arranged that Graf hit with Lendl, Becker, Leconte, ... after she won 60 60 in first GS rounds to have some training :)
Pity that he refuses to couching anybody again.

BTW, few days ago I was at Vajda/Djoko exho, and their relationship looks even better than Petra/Kotyza
I really would like to see Vajda coaching Petra and bring her to the top :)

I'm sure many of you will have your own tidbits to highlight (and I didn't get to read the translation yet--on Opera). But "Nuff Said" Lufa. :lol: :yeah: :lol:

And I guess at this stage Slozil feels Petra's team is Small Potatoes? :shrug:

It appears that's what he's really saying, with out blatantly saying it.

Excelscior
Nov 17th, 2012, 02:56 PM
Oh PS Steni.

Tennisography on the Tennis Channel (if you have it) on Petra Kvitova is Dec 2. I think I told you Dec 4th, if I'm not mistaken.

Excelscior
Nov 17th, 2012, 03:47 PM
PS On Slozil's comments: I think Petra's problems are multi-faceted and not always so always simple (more than what Slozil said). We know that.

Nonetheless, I couldn't help but notice, as great a player and as dialed in Steffi Graf always was on court, that Slozil still had her hit with Top men (not even regular men--I'm sure at dual tournaments) after easy wins. Bravo!

Many of us have been screaming for Petra to have male hitting partners, or to take advantage of her Protejov/Cernosek contemporary Tomas Berdych by hitting frequently with him. And apparently she doesn't (or any other men for that matter).

When we see Petra have early problems in matches early in tournaments, I think thats been one of HER MAIN PROBLEMS (if not the only one). Petra doesn't hit enough, if at all during the year.

Think about it? Last year Petra had a part time hitter in Boyfriend Adam (still nuts when you think about it), and she performed better. This year she's had none (except the Prostojev Teen Boys for the YEC), and has occasionally hit with Li Na during select events/Grand Slams. That's it! And look at the results (poorer)?

This glaring oversight of Petra's development this year I feel was almost criminal (tennis wise), along with her teams other oversights and Slozil's complaints.

So Petra hasn't been in top shape, top mind/mental or top form. Mmmh. Any one or all of the above would have helped her immensely against top opponents and during tough matches in 2012. I guess we'll see what Team Petra (Ms. Kvitova, Cernosek and Kotyza, etc.) have in mind for 2013? :shrug: :oh: :shrug:

paulmara
Nov 17th, 2012, 06:07 PM
Slozil is very, VERY open

Thanks
you saved me
but a brief summary from YOU wouldn't hurt

Credits to Misa from tenisportal.cz forums

Do you know djofex ?

Lufa
Nov 17th, 2012, 07:03 PM
Thanks
you saved me
ur welcome :)

Do you know djofex ?
No, who is it?


BTW, I feel urge to specify "she is fat" - shortened and rough translated statement I wrote (before shit hits the fan:devil:)
When he started talking about her fitness, he hesitate a bit, searching for words not too harsh,
then he said, "how to put it politely, she is a few kilos overweight, ..."
then he spoke about how fit is Maria, Serena and what a difference it makes.

ShiftyFella
Nov 17th, 2012, 08:30 PM
Pavel Složil comments

http://isport.blesk.cz/clanek/tenis-fed-cup/133237/slozil-kvitova-zatim-dominovat-nebude-safarova-na-desitku-ma.html
Great interview, too bad i've read it after reading about Robson's season preparation

Excelscior
Nov 17th, 2012, 10:35 PM
Great interview, too bad i've read it after reading about Robson's season preparation

Of course the proof is in the pudding. So we'll see what type of results Krajan and Robson get?

Nonetheless, to Laura's and her teams credit, she's now getting a hitting partner with just a little taste of success.

Obviously she and her handlers don't want Robson to lose the ground she gained this year.

Something is seriously wrong with the Petra camp, that she went all year in 2012 with out one. :facepalm:

bruce goose
Nov 18th, 2012, 04:05 AM
BTW, I feel urge to specify "she is fat" - shortened and rough translated statement I wrote (before shit hits the fan:devil:)
When he started talking about her fitness, he hesitate a bit, searching for words not too harsh,
then he said, "how to put it politely, she is a few kilos overweight, ..."
then he spoke about how fit is Maria, Serena and what a difference it makes.Even though I was somewhat dependent on your translation,I never got the sense that he was maliciously bad-mouthing Petra with his criticism or drawing attention to himself to get some mag publicity.It just seemed like candid analysis on where Petra was coming up short and what she could do to improve

ShiftyFella
Nov 18th, 2012, 03:01 PM
Of course the proof is in the pudding. So we'll see what type of results Krajan and Robson get?

Nonetheless, to Laura's and her teams credit, she's now getting a hitting partner with just a little taste of success.

Obviously she and her handlers don't want Robson to lose the ground she gained this year.

Something is seriously wrong with the Petra camp, that she went all year in 2012 with out one. :facepalm:
It's ridicilous Top100 rookie player has better team and preparation than Top10 player and Wimbledon winner:cuckoo:

Excelscior
Nov 18th, 2012, 03:31 PM
It's ridicilous Top100 rookie player has better team and preparation than Top10 player and Wimbledon winner:cuckoo:

Agreed.

In slight defense of Kvitova's team (since I and so many others have been killing them--and rightfully so--the past several weeks); maybe they didn't get her a full time hitting partner, cause Petra's lazy? :shrug:

Let's be honest, we've heard both Kotyza and Cernosek say in the past 'routine' regimens don't work well with Petra, so we have to make it fun and interesting for her'. Right?

Now of course, even if that was true and the reason, it doesn't excuse them from having Petra hit with the Protojev boys, Katie the PR lady and the Li Na--when she did (instead of acquiring a proper male hitting partner). It also wouldn't be a good reflection on their overall coaching, persuasive/'buy in' ability with Petra as well.

Hopefully, Petra's fitness, nutrition, medical, coaching, advisors (if she can get any outside the Cernosek Circle)/mental coach, form, work ethic and desire, will be top notch in 2013?

We'll see?

bruce goose
Nov 18th, 2012, 03:37 PM
In slight defense of Kvitova's team (since I and so many others have been killing them--and rightfully so--the past several weeks); maybe they didn't get her a full time hitting partner, cause Petra's lazy? :shrug:Please---not another flashback:help:.I went through four years of that waiting,HOPING for a player to mature...before finally realizing that it was NEVER gonna happen:rolleyes:

Now I'm hoping that more credible sources like Slozil will speak candidly yet fairly on Petra's shortcomings as she's more likely to think it over than she would if a mere reporter commented

Excelscior
Nov 18th, 2012, 04:17 PM
Please---not another flashback:help:.I went through four years of that waiting,HOPING for a player to mature...before finally realizing that it was NEVER gonna happen:rolleyes:

Now I'm hoping that more credible sources like Slozil will speak candidly yet fairly on Petra's shortcomings as she's more likely to think it over than she would if a mere reporter commented

I hope it's not happening again either Bruce. :lol: :eek: :lol:

And let's hope outside (especially Czech) opinion does inspire Petra indeed?

Let's just hope she doesn't run to Cernosek or even Kotyza (first or last) for confirmation and clarification, though. :lol: :oh: :lol:

ShiftyFella
Nov 18th, 2012, 04:38 PM
Agreed.

In slight defense of Kvitova's team (since I and so many others have been killing them--and rightfully so--the past several weeks); maybe they didn't get her a full time hitting partner, cause Petra's lazy? :shrug:

Let's be honest, we've heard both Kotyza and Cernosek say in the past 'routine' regimens don't work well with Petra, so we have to make it fun and interesting for her'. Right?

I'm lazy and unfocused too, also i hate any kind of routine work but with right motivation i can do anything:haha:

There plenty of coaching methods that do not require routine or disguise it really good, they always can make it more entertaining even with hitting partner but serious enough to count as real work\preparation. Kotyza has some sort of degree in coaching, he should know this sort of things but instead they just babying her too much.

Excelscior
Nov 18th, 2012, 04:42 PM
PS Bruce:

It's funny, I'm watching the Davis Cup match, and I'm seeing the promos for the "Petra Kvitova" Tennisography show coming up soon on Tennis Channel.

While hearing some Martina Navratilova snippets of the upcoming program (and speaking about Pavel Složil and Petra here), it just reminded me of the beautiful tennis history and legacy of the Czech Republic/Czechoslovakia.

Hearing Martina speak about Petra so dotingly, just reminded me, how much it's a crime that Petra's inner circle is limited to Cernosek cronies, when you have the likes of Martina Navratilova, Ivan Lendl, Pavel Složil, Martina Hingis, and so many other brilliant Czech/Slovak minds and former players (mind you the world), who care and could assist Petra in so many ways.

Comparitively speaking, Petra appears to have accepted almost exclusive advice and allegiance from the team that's achieved nothing (Grand Slam wise). SMH

Excelscior
Nov 18th, 2012, 04:46 PM
I'm lazy and unfocused too, also i hate any kind of routine work but with right motivation i can do anything:haha:

There plenty of coaching methods that do not require routine or disguise it really good, they always can make it more entertaining even with hitting partner but serious enough to count as real work\preparation. Kotyza has some sort of degree in coaching, he should know this sort of things but instead they just babying her too much.

I'm sure plenty of people would have the right motivation and discipline, for millions of dollars (if they could be magically bestowed with Petra's talents and height overnight) Shifty. :lol: :oh: :lol:

And you're right! The Fault still lies with Kotyza and the Petra team. They have to convince Petra (and they're many methods) to buy into the goals, routines, methods and strategies they set for her.

No argument there.

bruce goose
Nov 18th, 2012, 04:48 PM
Let's just hope she doesn't run to Cernosek or even Kotyza (first or last) for confirmation and clarification, though. :lol: :oh: :lol:There you go giving me ANOTHER flashback: Ana sobbing on her mom's shoulder after a pathetic,disgrceful loss...and having her 'tennis-expert' family re-assuring her that she didn't need a sports counsellor:rolleyes:...baby treatment that was NO surprise from the people who made her a shallow,immature,spoiled brat in the first place

I'd like to think that Petra is more grounded than THAT,though...it would be hard to be any WORSE.I think that there are enough respected Czech legends that Petra will eventually see the light and seek better counsel and preparation

ShiftyFella
Nov 18th, 2012, 05:01 PM
btw, what is tennisography guys you're talking about? is it some sort of overview of Petra by TC experts or what?:shrug:

Excelscior
Nov 18th, 2012, 05:23 PM
btw, what is tennisography guys you're talking about? is it some sort of overview of Petra by TC experts or what?:shrug:

It's a biography show. But because it's on Tennis Channel (and about Tennis players), they call it "Tennisography".

ShiftyFella
Nov 18th, 2012, 05:45 PM
It's a biography show. But because it's on Tennis Channel (and about Tennis players), they call it "Tennisography".
TC always irritates me but it's about Petra, guess i have to watch it now:lol:

PetraReeMona
Nov 18th, 2012, 05:51 PM
C'mon Sexynek :)

PetraReeMona
Nov 18th, 2012, 05:53 PM
It's a biography show. But because it's on Tennis Channel (and about Tennis players), they call it "Tennisography".

I can't watch it in the uk :sobbing: :hysteric:

PetraReeMona
Nov 18th, 2012, 06:05 PM
:bounce: :bounce:

Well done on Fed Cup and Davis Cup CZ :aparty:

Excelscior
Nov 18th, 2012, 06:08 PM
:bounce: :bounce:

Well done on Fed Cup and Davis Cup CZ :aparty:

So true.

Contrats to the Czech Posse around the world and in the Home Country.

And I guess you can catch the Tennisography episode later, with it's inevitable posting on You Tube. ;)

ShiftyFella
Nov 18th, 2012, 06:21 PM
Congrats Czech snatching great combo, Hopman Cup and winning second FC in a row, Anniversary DC in front of home crowd:banana::bounce:

Petronius
Nov 18th, 2012, 08:45 PM
Congrats Czech snatching great combo, Hopman Cup and winning second FC in a row, Anniversary DC in front of home crowd:banana::bounce:

Yup yup. And all the Hopman Cup, FedCup and DavisCup matches were won by players from Mr. Černošek's tennis club.

But as they say, if a player wins, all hail goes to the player, but if a player loses all hate and blame is directed at the coach or manager.

:wavey:

Excelscior
Nov 18th, 2012, 11:43 PM
Yup yup. And all the Hopman Cup, FedCup and DavisCup matches were won by players from Mr. Černošek's tennis club.

But as they say, if a player wins, all hail goes to the player, but if a player loses all hate and blame is directed at the coach or manager.

:wavey:

Congrats indeed. But don't get carried away now. :lol:

I'm sure they all would have preferred a Grand Slam, Olympic medal or Year End Championship.

Did any of them win any of those this year? :oh:

bruce goose
Nov 19th, 2012, 04:58 AM
Did any of them win any of those this year? :oh:I think the silence='No';)

TimeyWimey
Nov 19th, 2012, 01:37 PM
Congrats indeed. But don't get carried away now. :lol:

I'm sure they all would have preferred a Grand Slam, Olympic medal or Year End Championship.

Did any of them win any of those this year? :oh:

they have GS finalist, YEC finalist and Olympic medalist in rubber five :lol:

bruce goose
Nov 19th, 2012, 03:56 PM
Let's not kid ourselves here;Cermosek didn't 'make' Petra any more than sleazebag Don King made Muhammad Ali a great boxer.King is a promoter,a conduit who co-ordinates fights,but he doesn't make the boxers better fighters...and aye SERIOUSLY doubt that Petra's Czech mafia stooge fixer has improved HER any more than King has done with any great fighters

Excelscior
Nov 19th, 2012, 04:07 PM
they have GS finalist, YEC finalist and Olympic medalist in rubber five :lol:

I'm talking about THIS YEAR. And I meant to say winning SINGLES and a GOLD medal as well. :lol:

Excelscior
Nov 19th, 2012, 04:35 PM
Let's not kid ourselves here;Cermosek didn't 'make' Petra any more than sleazebag Don King made Muhammad Ali a great boxer.King is a promoter,a conduit who co-ordinates fights,but he doesn't make the boxers better fighters...and aye SERIOUSLY doubt that Petra's Czech mafia stooge fixer has improved HER any more than King has done with any great fighters

Not hard to get the best Czech players, when you're basically the only game in town (Similar to the Mafia). :lol:

The question is, what do you with that talent and how do you cultivate it?

Petra got her "easy" Grand Slam and YEC. Now she's got to fight and work hard for her next ones.

And Berdych is a very talented player; knocking on the door. However, he hasn't shown that he can be counted on as well, even when he doesn't face one of the big 4.

Let's see what happens the next 1-3 yrs for Petra (and with Berdych and Safarova, it's been long counting already)?

And you're right Bruce: Cernosek is a promoter, manager--a business person, not the actual TALENT (including coaches) in tennis rich Czech Republic. He's eminently expendable. When his players win some more Grand Slams (after Petra first), then maybe I'll be a believer.

I mean look at how Safarova's, Berdych and even Petra's career has gone the past 1-5 yrs (if you wanna use Petronius and TimeyWiney's reference)?

bruce goose
Nov 19th, 2012, 04:42 PM
Not hard to get the best Czech players, when you're basically the only game in town (Similar to the Mafia). :lol:

The question is, what do you with that talent and how do you cultivate it?

Petra got her "easy" Grand Slam and YEC. Now she's got to fight and work hard for her next ones.

And Berdych is a very talented player; knocking on the door. However, he hasn't shown that he can be counted on as well, even when he doesn't face one of the big 4.

Let's see what happens the next 1-3 yrs for Petra (and with Berdych and Safarova, it's been long counting already)?

And you're right Bruce: Cernosek is a promoter, manager--a business person, not part of the talent network in tennis rich Czech Republic.

He's eminently expendable. When he wins some more Grand Slams (after Petra first), then maybe I'll be a believer.

I mean look at how Safarova's, Berdych and even Petra's career has gone the past 1-5 yrs.Well,we can't have it both ways: we can't minimize his credit for Petra's success and then blame him when Petra or some other player underachieves.....but you caught my main plank with the first sentence in your second-to-last paragraph.Yes,he's organized tennis schools in CR,yet he hasn't done anything outstanding for Petra that lots of other benefactors couldn't have easily done....NOTHING that would make her OWE him unquestioned allegiance and unquestioning acceptance of how he assigns the Pyle Brothers to run her team with Dr.Bernard Pikola,Barney Fife's Czech cousin,neding several YEARS:rolleyes: to find the right inhaler for Petra

EDIT:And I phrased the first part poorly;obviously,I'm putting at least PART of the blame on The Fixer,but the main culpability is Petra's because she's an adult and should be held accountable for her own decisions

Excelscior
Nov 19th, 2012, 05:00 PM
Well,we can't have it both ways: we can't minimize his credit for Petra's success and then blame him when Petra or some other player underachieves.....but you caught my main plank with the first sentence in your second-to-last paragraph.Yes,he's organized tennis schools in CR,yet he hasn't done anything outstanding for Petra that lots of other benefactors couldn't have easily done....NOTHING that would make her OWE him unquestioned allegiance and unquestioning acceptance of how he assigns the Pyle Brothers to run her team with Dr.Bernard Pikola,Barney Fife's Czech cousin,neding several YEARS:rolleyes: to find the right inhaler for Petra

Oh no.

I agree with your original premise. I was only using Petronius and TimeyWiney's example. :lol:

He's not a coach, talent developer; just the recipient of it. I get you. The players and the coaches are the talent, and should be responsible for their own destiny as well. Unfortunately, I'm not sure if Petra realizes or is interested in that (at the moment), and Kotyza may of been hired by Cernosek so he may not feel totally empowered. We'll see?

Nonetheless, I dearly hope that either he or Petra will go outside of his network (within or outside the Czech Republic) to get her the best people, salient advice and/or advisors. She needs them.

Petronius
Nov 19th, 2012, 06:37 PM
For Petra fans and non-Czech speakers, during the interview with Mr. Složil he said 'I am a big fan of Petra and we text each other frequently.'

This is great news, if Petra can consult with the guy who won the Golden Slam with Steffi Graf and used to coach Capriati, Kournikova and Maleeva.

I would even argue it's equal to having access to Navratilova's advice.

Excelscior
Nov 19th, 2012, 08:02 PM
For Petra fans and non-Czech speakers, during the interview with Mr. Složil he said 'I am a big fan of Petra and we text each other frequently.'

This is great news, if Petra can consult with the guy who won the Golden Slam with Steffi Graf and used to coach Capriati, Kournikova and Maleeva.

I would even argue it's equal to having access to Navratilova's advice.

I wonder if it's true (or is Slozil just being gracious/exaggerating--speaking about a Czech Champion to an interviewer)?

If so, what do they talk about? And why Slozil and not Navratilova (Not cause I think she would be better; just curious why him and not her; since she complains Petra doesn't contact her enough)? :lol:

Lastly, I wonder if this is part of Petra experiencing some frustration regarding her year and showing a little independence (Remember, it appeared that Petra wasn't sure if she was going to play Extraliga and wanted to wait giving an answer on Fed Cup next year), from Cersonek and pressure at home to automatically commit to these events?

We only hope. :help:

bruce goose
Nov 20th, 2012, 04:22 AM
For Petra fans and non-Czech speakers, during the interview with Mr. Složil he said 'I am a big fan of Petra and we text each other frequently.'Have vague recollections of seeing him play during my childhood...he appeared frosty and passionless a` la the Young Lendl...this was long before he became a Petra fan;)

TimeyWimey
Nov 20th, 2012, 01:33 PM
I wonder if it's true (or is Slozil just being gracious/exaggerating--speaking about a Czech Champion to an interviewer)?

If so, what do they talk about? And why Slozil and not Navratilova (Not cause I think she would be better; just curious why him and not her; since she complains Petra doesn't contact her enough)? :lol:

Lastly, I wonder if this is part of Petra experiencing some frustration regarding her year and showing a little independence (Remember, it appeared that Petra wasn't sure if she was going to play Extraliga and wanted to wait giving an answer on Fed Cup next year), from Cersonek and pressure at home to automatically commit to these events?

We only hope. :help:

that, to me, sounds a toddler, after taking some tentative steps toward the unknown world (during which she won Wimbledon and YEC) then quickly retreats back to her mother and refuses to leave again

instead of Cersonek not letting her go, i noticed some kind of complacency in Petra to play for these people

if so, the question of "why not Navratilova?" would become "why Navratilova?"

maybe the difference between them is just too big to make the collaboration work

Excelscior
Nov 20th, 2012, 01:45 PM
that, to me, sounds a toddler, after taking some tentative steps toward the unknown world (during which she won Wimbledon and YEC) then quickly retreats back to her mother and refuses to leave again

instead of Cersonek not letting her go, i noticed some kind of complacency in Petra to play for these people

if so, the question of "why not Navratilova?" would become "why Navratilova?"

maybe the difference between them is just too big to make the collaboration work

Obviously, there's some problem with Navratilova (from her not initially being invited to the Fed Cup by the Czech Tennis big wigs; to Martina's complaints that Petra doesn't contact her).

We know Petra's too tied into the Cernosek Circle. I just hope that the little that I've heard/read after Fed Cup (being talked into Extraliga by Cernosek and not giving a commitment on playing Fed Cup next year, gives us some hope).

I know it's not much, cause Petra's still playing Extraliga final and will probably commitment to Fed Cup next year. And maybe it's been this way all along (Petra's always getting talked into what Cernosek and the Old Man Czech Mafia want)? But hopefully, she really does text Slozil, and he's not just being polite.

The irony is, Slozil recommended publically, that Petra should contact or hook up with Lendl's coach and people (regarding her nutrition, fitness and ailments). :eek:

We'll see?

steni
Nov 20th, 2012, 02:02 PM
Guys somebody knows if Petra is under some kind of contract with Prostejov and Cernosek? She still young and I dont think she has a clue about bussines...

iva_ds87
Nov 20th, 2012, 02:15 PM
I just read your discussion here and I'd like to share my observations.

Someone questioned whether Petra might be lazy and if she considers tennis as her hobby or profession. I'm not familiar with her history in full, but didn't she train in her hometown several times a week before getting invited to Prostejov at 16? Isn't that too late? Maybe Petra is still transitioning to accepting that tennis is her profession now and things are going to change.

As for the fitness questions - I think she's making some steps in that direction. This year she was on an intensive camp in Turkey, who knows, maybe she will go there again some time. I also think ideal fitness shape cannot happen overnight, it may take a year or two, as evidenced by Azarenka when she started working with Scott Byrnes (sp?) or even Djokovic. This year she's had plenty of niggles that to me have prevented her from training properly. I'm sure Petra and her team know that and will take care of it. No matter how skeptical you are of the members of her team, you have to be ignorant not to see the improvements that need to be made. But once again I say this might take a long period. (If there's anyone familiar with the case of Norwegian biathlete Tarjei Boe, there're similarities with Petra). Also, speaking of Djokovic, he tried to add new people to his team and change his serve and that backfired, so maybe Petra's team is taking it slowly instead of rushing things. To me, Petra had visible improvement in her movement in January at the AO and the small injuries just stalled her progress. Once Petra shakes her disappointment of the season on vacation and starts preparing for the new season, thing will get better. Side note on her "belly" - I'm not sure she'll ever lose it, irrespective of fitness coaching, that's just her body structure, similar to Safina's, who had great endurance.
I understand your concerns about training on Protejov in winter instead of outdoors in e.g. Miami, but maybe this has something to do with her asthma. She's said she feels bad in North America, so maybe a 2-week camp in Australia before the AO is the best option for her.

Excelscior
Nov 20th, 2012, 02:23 PM
Guys somebody knows if Petra is under some kind of contract with Prostejov and Cernosek? She still young and I dont think she has a clue about bussines...

Even if she had a contract with Cernosek and Prostojev, it couldn't/wouldn't stop Petra and Kotyza from talking to and choosing her own people to work with. The WTA and ITF would never stand for that, if challenged.

Secondly, even if they had a contract, so what!? If Petra left the Czech Republic and moved to another country--like Monaco (which I know many of us feel Petra would never do), there's nothing Cernosek could do. :lol:

Excelscior
Nov 20th, 2012, 03:12 PM
I just read your discussion here and I'd like to share my observations.

Someone questioned whether Petra might be lazy and if she considers tennis as her hobby or profession. I'm not familiar with her history in full, but didn't she train in her hometown several times a week before getting invited to Prostejov at 16? Isn't that too late? Maybe Petra is still transitioning to accepting that tennis is her profession now and things are going to change.

As for the fitness questions - I think she's making some steps in that direction. This year she was on an intensive camp in Turkey, who knows, maybe she will go there again some time. I also think ideal fitness shape cannot happen overnight, it may take a year or two, as evidenced by Azarenka when she started working with Scott Byrnes (sp?) or even Djokovic. This year she's had plenty of niggles that to me have prevented her from training properly. I'm sure Petra and her team know that and will take care of it. No matter how skeptical you are of the members of her team, you have to be ignorant not to see the improvements that need to be made. But once again I say this might take a long period. (If there's anyone familiar with the case of Norwegian biathlete Tarjei Boe, there're similarities with Petra). Also, speaking of Djokovic, he tried to add new people to his team and change his serve and that backfired, so maybe Petra's team is taking it slowly instead of rushing things. To me, Petra had visible improvement in her movement in January at the AO and the small injuries just stalled her progress. Once Petra shakes her disappointment of the season on vacation and starts preparing for the new season, thing will get better. Side note on her "belly" - I'm not sure she'll ever lose it, irrespective of fitness coaching, that's just her body structure, similar to Safina's, who had great endurance.
I understand your concerns about training on Protejov in winter instead of outdoors in e.g. Miami, but maybe this has something to do with her asthma. She's said she feels bad in North America, so maybe a 2-week camp in Australia before the AO is the best option for her.

Hey iva_ds87

Thanks for your comments and don't be a stranger.

Yes, Petra went Prostojev at 16-17 yrs old (though supposedly she was invited at a much earlier age and her father said "no"), and she didn't play much juniors either. So you are correct. Petra's is very inexperienced to the world travel, competitiveness and petty killer instinct compared to many of her contemporaries.

Petra has made great fitness strides in the past three years (though I noticed in that Safina match at the 2009 US Open 4th rd, when Petra was much bigger she played a great match for hrs in the sun), if you go by the weight she lost. Agreed. And she was actually at the height of her movement, during the 2011 season (Paris Indoor, Australian Open, YEC, Linz, Wimbledon).

And I also agree, the stomach may not go any where: Cause as Petra's lost about 25lbs the past several years, she still has one (though it's not as big as some people make it out to be). We've discussed that here many times.

Djokovic's additions to his team worked very well, except the serve experiment. He changed his diet, increased his conditioning, cured his health ailments, and got tougher, while adding more skill to his tennis arsenal. I think it worked.

The issue with Petra is, everyone seems to come from her Managers stable, as opposed to the tennis world in general (outside of his network). And they have made a series of critical mistakes through out 2012--hampering Petra, which have been discussed ad nauseum here. Sure questionable parents or management has happened to other players before. The question is, when will Petra wake up, notice, make her own decisions or care, if she's not being helped?

Petra can train outdoors in Monaco, Italy or Spain. It doesn't have to be in America (though many players live/train there, cause there's an abundance of tennis talent and facilities).

Remember, the Australian's an outdoor event. And though people couldn't really put there finger on it at the time, we knew one of the reasons why Petra didn't play as well on outdoor hard court in NA (though they were several reasons), was her affinity of practicing indoors in Europe at Prostojev. It was psychological.

Petra's team may very well prove to be excellent in 2013. So I don't doubt your speculation or advice of patience. However, they haven't given us too many reasons to feel the same in 2012. There were many self inflicted screw ups too numerous to re-hash.

Maybe it's just growing pains for her team in tandem with Petra's "transitional/adjustment" year following her 2011 success and expectations. But an argument can be made she's outgrown them, or at least Petra needs additional/new people or advisors and perspective.

And here in lies much of our concern. We don't know if Petra or any of her people, are comfortable or even allowed to seek anyone in the tennis world to advise, assist, coach or work with her in any capacity. Her manager, has already indicated publically--virtually boasting, that he chooses her coaches that she and Kotyza can choose from. He also boasted that he talked her into Extraliga 2012, and almost promised he could talk her into Fed Cup 2013 as well (both events he has a financial, status and political interest in--I may add), that Petra could benefit skipping, or delaying her commitment.

They're too many apparent conflicts of interest and pressure placed on Petra as well, under the current arrangement. That cannot help. It must get better or change.

Petronius
Nov 20th, 2012, 03:14 PM
Guys somebody knows if Petra is under some kind of contract with Prostejov and Cernosek? She still young and I dont think she has a clue about bussines...

Definitely. She pays a certain percentage of her on-court and off-court earnings to the club and this is surely regulated by contract.

Excelscior
Nov 20th, 2012, 03:50 PM
Definitely. She pays a certain percentage of her on-court and off-court earnings to the club and this is surely regulated by contract.

But that contract (even if it was written that way--which we know it's not) has nothing to do with him picking Petra's coaches, fitness people, etc., which he appears to do. That's why he always chooses his words carefully, when he discusses it publically (although his arrogance won't allow him to have complete discretion). It's not his place to.

Secondly, it means nothing. Like I said: If Petra left the country tomorrow, and moved some where else and claimed citizenship, there's not a damn thing Cernosek could do. If anything, he may look bad complaining about Petra to the Czech media, if she claimed she was mis/micromanaged under Cernosek. His hands would be tied.

Like I say: These things happen all the time in entertainment and sports (talent leaving the people they actually pay or who get a cut of their revenue). And the contracts aren't usually long anyway (unless Petra's that stupid). This is so the player or artist can move freely if/when unhappy or seek a better opportunity.

Outside of him being Czech, I don't see any benefit Cernosek provides Petra, that any other manager couldn't? :shrug: If anything, he appears to be limiting her opportunities (both promotional, self development and tennis wise).

I mean, does she even get to hit with Berdych, anytime they're in the same town or event? Who cares about taking photos or promoting Czech tourism regions with him. Do like Slozil, and have Petra actually hit with Tomas, instead of hitting with the Prostojev teen boys or Adam (and who knows, maybe he's a Cernosek plant as well). SMH Who's to say he didn't nurture that relationship? :lol: :oh: :lol:

Petronius
Nov 20th, 2012, 04:41 PM
But that contract (even if it was written that way--which we know it's not) has nothing to do with him picking Petra's coaches, fitness people, etc., which he appears to do. That's why he always chooses his words carefully, when he discusses it publically (although his arrogance won't allow him to have complete discretion). It's not his place to.

Secondly, it means nothing. Like I said: If Petra left the country tomorrow, and moved some where else and claimed citizenship, there's not a damn thing Cernosek could do. If anything, he may look bad complaining about Petra to the Czech media, if she claimed she was mis/micromanaged under Cernosek. His hands would be tied.

Like I say: These things happen all the time in entertainment and sports (talent leaving the people they actually pay or who get a cut of their revenue). And the contracts aren't usually long anyway (unless Petra's that stupid). This is so the player or artist can move freely if/when unhappy or seek a better opportunity.

Outside of him being Czech, I don't see any benefit Cernosek provides Petra, that any other manager couldn't? :shrug: If anything, he appears to be limiting her opportunities (both promotional, self development and tennis wise).

I mean, does she even get to hit with Berdych, anytime they're in the same town or event? Who cares about taking photos or promoting Czech tourism regions with him. Do like Slozil, and have Petra actually hit with Tomas, instead of hitting with the Prostojev teen boys or Adam (and who knows, maybe he's a Cernosek plant as well). SMH Who's to say he didn't nurture that relationship? :lol: :oh: :lol:

Your post is a perfect example why formal contracts with players are signed to protect one's investment.

The club invests lots of $$$ into hopefully talented, yet completely unknown young players - like a 11-year-old Tomas Berdych in 1996 or a 16-year-old Petra Kvitova in 2006, while hoping they will develop a new tennis star and get their money back.

But they know that when their player breaks through or even wins a Wimbledon (they have obviously learned their lesson - see the Hingis example above) that other agents/managers/clubs will want to entice the new-born star away and they may lose a lot of money.

Thus, e.g. Tomas Berdych's contract includes a clause that he must not play for a different club (at least for a certain period). Petra's contract should also contain some restrictions or even sanctions if she suddenly leaves and relocates.

Excelscior
Nov 20th, 2012, 07:03 PM
Your post is a perfect example why formal contracts with players are signed to protect one's investment.

The club invests lots of $$$ into hopefully talented, yet completely unknown young players - like a 11-year-old Tomas Berdych in 1996 or a 16-year-old Petra Kvitova in 2006, while hoping they will develop a new tennis star and get their money back.

But they know that when their player breaks through or even wins a Wimbledon (they have obviously learned their lesson - see the Hingis example above) that other agents/managers/clubs will want to entice the new-born star away and they may lose a lot of money.

Thus, e.g. Tomas Berdych's contract includes a clause that he must not play for a different club (at least for a certain period). Petra's contract should also contain some restrictions or even sanctions if she suddenly leaves and relocates.

Two major things going on here Petronius.

Getting someone when their young and new, means you're holding all the leverage. Once they become successful, you virtually have none.

The way I see it, Csernosek is not far from a gangster, if he signs people to these type agreements. And Hingis owed him nothing, if she signed young and left young. You may know more about that story though.

The reason why I made the Gangster reference?....Because, they're Academies all over the world that a player can go to--simply if they have the money, the sponsors and/or the talent--to lure either. However, they're not signed to an exclusive agreements with the academy like Cernosek does (that extends into management, playing for the club, playing certain events, etc.). They're separate. And many of them are only interested in teaching tennis. If nothing else, Cernosek is like a Czech Monopoly/Mafia. He wants his hand in everything and every level--it appears.

Nonetheless, after saying all that, what I said is still true. If Petra left the Czech Republic tomorrow, Cernosek would get nothing. Just look at the Hingis example. I'm sure he signed her to the same/similar agreements (or now he has since/if he didn't). He just mad he can't do nothing about it (Hingis). :lol:

He's lucky that he has a dutiful, patriotic young lady/Czech--in Petra Kvitova--for now.

However, even in the Czech Republic (you may know more about this than I), he may still get nothing in return or less than what you think if he sued her Petronius. He's intermediary and ancillary and not essential to the process (unless his local political connections kick in).

In lawsuits of this type--in Capitalist countries, courts usually lean towards the either the content provider (the talent) or the distributor/outlet (the corporation). The intermediaries and ancillaries--such as Cernosek--in this discussion as a manager, usually get short shrift compared to the actual Talent or Distributor, cause they're not essential to the process and performance or the public enjoyment. And it's hard to quantify what they deserve, when it's arbitrary to the value and services they actually provide (unless it's someone like a wife that provided for their husbands law school). And even that's hard to quantify many times.

Just imagine if Petra, Serena and Masha (the talent) had a dispute with the WTA (the corporation), preventing any tennis?

No one cares who their lawyers and managers are, especially if they're hindering progress/a settlement towards tennis.

Just think about it? If there was no Futbul or Ice hockey being played in The European League or the Czech Republic: Do you (Petronius), the public or your friends care about who the players managers are(When's the last time you heard a fan scream or curse a lawyer or manager over a Sports/entertainment labor dispute)?....No! Of course not!:lol:

The overwhelming majority don't know/wanna know, or could care less who they are. They just want the principles to come together.

And no matter how you slice: On the world (where Petra belongs to now--sorry), WTA, ITF/Grand Slam tennis Level, Cernosek is NOT A Principle (even with his his Prague 100K). He's easily avoidable, ignored or replaceable. He just is.

TimeyWimey
Nov 21st, 2012, 03:03 AM
just curious when did Mr Cernosek start to find the talent in Petra? did he provide any guidance or help before her transition into WTA, like when she was 17, 18ish?

bruce goose
Nov 21st, 2012, 04:34 AM
Your post is a perfect example why formal contracts with players are signed to protect one's investment.

The club invests lots of $$$ into hopefully talented, yet completely unknown young players - like a 11-year-old Tomas Berdych in 1996 or a 16-year-old Petra Kvitova in 2006, while hoping they will develop a new tennis star and get their money back.

But they know that when their player breaks through or even wins a Wimbledon (they have obviously learned their lesson - see the Hingis example above) that other agents/managers/clubs will want to entice the new-born star away and they may lose a lot of money.

Thus, e.g. Tomas Berdych's contract includes a clause that he must not play for a different club (at least for a certain period). Petra's contract should also contain some restrictions or even sanctions if she suddenly leaves and relocates.There's at least some legitimacy to what you've said about contracts: I know with near certainty about a particular player--NOT Petra,thank goodness--who signs all of her team members to ironclad confidentiality agreements.Some of those now-fired assistants offer concocted,phony-sounding praise about what a sweet gal their ex-boss supposedly is(even though hidden camera footage has long since revealed what an unbearable shrew she can often be)...you can just tell that these former aides were paid well to keep quiet....OR face serious civil penalties for not doing so.There's also some truth to what 'Ex' posted,so I suppose that it all largely depends on the nature and terms of the contract

iva_ds87
Nov 21st, 2012, 12:40 PM
Djokovic's additions to his team worked very well, except the serve experiment. He changed his diet, increased his conditioning, cured his health ailments, and got tougher, while adding more skill to his tennis arsenal. I think it worked.

The issue with Petra is, everyone seems to come from her Managers stable, as opposed to the tennis world in general (outside of his network). And they have made a series of critical mistakes through out 2012--hampering Petra, which have been discussed ad nauseum here. Sure questionable parents or management has happened to other players before. The question is, when will Petra wake up, notice, make her own decisions or care, if she's not being helped?

Petra can train outdoors in Monaco, Italy or Spain. It doesn't have to be in America (though many players live/train there, cause there's an abundance of tennis talent and facilities).

Remember, the Australian's an outdoor event. And though people couldn't really put there finger on it at the time, we knew one of the reasons why Petra didn't play as well on outdoor hard court in NA (though they were several reasons), was her affinity of practicing indoors in Europe at Prostojev. It was psychological.

Petra's team may very well prove to be excellent in 2013. So I don't doubt your speculation or advice of patience. However, they haven't given us too many reasons to feel the same in 2012. There were many self inflicted screw ups too numerous to re-hash.

Maybe it's just growing pains for her team in tandem with Petra's "transitional/adjustment" year following her 2011 success and expectations. But an argument can be made she's outgrown them, or at least Petra needs additional/new people or advisors and perspective.

And here in lies much of our concern. We don't know if Petra or any of her people, are comfortable or even allowed to seek anyone in the tennis world to advise, assist, coach or work with her in any capacity. Her manager, has already indicated publically--virtually boasting, that he chooses her coaches that she and Kotyza can choose from. He also boasted that he talked her into Extraliga 2012, and almost promised he could talk her into Fed Cup 2013 as well (both events he has a financial, status and political interest in--I may add), that Petra could benefit skipping, or delaying her commitment.

They're too many apparent conflicts of interest and pressure placed on Petra as well, under the current arrangement. That cannot help. It must get better or change.


One more deviation to Djokovic - my point was that he achieved everything with virtually the same team he's had for years. The only additional member was the nutritionist who got him on a gluten-free diet. For me, it's best to be coached/advised by just one person, otherwise you might get lost into the different perspectives people have on your game. Navratilova may be helpful with advise on dealing with pressure, but when it comes to purely tennis, the person who spends most time with her (Kotyza) should know her best. We all think Petra is introverted, so she probably would feel stressed if she has to change her coach or accept new people. As you said, she's dealing with enough pressure from media, Kotyza seems like a guy who can make her relax and smile and his calm character seemingly gets through to Petra. So I say give him at least 6 months to prove he's still beneficial to Petra's game.

I totally agree that Cernosek pressuring Petra to play Extraliga and all those off court commitments is too much. But it's understandable given that he's a manager looking to maximize his profit. I don't like talking about a person as a product, but for managers they are. So while Cernosek shouldn't be the one choosing new team members, I certainly think he's not that stupid to choose staff just because he owes favours. He knows that if his "product" is unsuccessful he's losing money, so I'm that that much concerned about this side of his involvement. (What happened to Jozef Ivanko, I haven't seen him around in a while.)

paulmara
Nov 21st, 2012, 12:50 PM
What happened to Jozef Ivanko, I haven't seen him around in a while.

He´s working with juniors (He was relocated = fired)

bruce goose
Nov 21st, 2012, 01:51 PM
He´s working with juniors (He was relocated = fired)"Relocated"=cleaning out the incontinent lemur stalls at Cermosek's children's zoo,right:lol:??Fortunately,Petra's pet isn't quite so messy except for when he meets someone whom he doesn't like;)

Excelscior
Nov 21st, 2012, 02:19 PM
One more deviation to Djokovic - my point was that he achieved everything with virtually the same team he's had for years. The only additional member was the nutritionist who got him on a gluten-free diet. For me, it's best to be coached/advised by just one person, otherwise you might get lost into the different perspectives people have on your game. Navratilova may be helpful with advise on dealing with pressure, but when it comes to purely tennis, the person who spends most time with her (Kotyza) should know her best. We all think Petra is introverted, so she probably would feel stressed if she has to change her coach or accept new people. As you said, she's dealing with enough pressure from media, Kotyza seems like a guy who can make her relax and smile and his calm character seemingly gets through to Petra. So I say give him at least 6 months to prove he's still beneficial to Petra's game.

I totally agree that Cernosek pressuring Petra to play Extraliga and all those off court commitments is too much. But it's understandable given that he's a manager looking to maximize his profit. I don't like talking about a person as a product, but for managers they are. So while Cernosek shouldn't be the one choosing new team members, I certainly think he's not that stupid to choose staff just because he owes favours. He knows that if his "product" is unsuccessful he's losing money, so I'm that that much concerned about this side of his involvement. (What happened to Jozef Ivanko, I haven't seen him around in a while.)

Thanks again Iva_ds87. Good to hear from you once more.

You're saying Djokovic maintained the same doctor as well? And he never brought in specialist to work on different elements of his game?

I'm sure Radwanska, Petrova, Li Na and Sharapova WOULD NOT agree with you, that it's always best to keep the same coaches. :lol:

I do agree with you however, that Petra's (at this point) doesn't have to get rid of Kotyza. She just may need other people to help her deal with strategy, goals/expectations and overall pressure. She also needs a hitting partner, and to work on her ROS, and bring back more consistency to her Serve in general.

I don't think Petra's introverted. She's just spoiled (or talks when she wanna talks). If you ever see Petra at those black tie Gala's she always appears radiant. Even in more lighter moments on television, she's always bubbly. I just think she likes her privacy and what she wants, when she wants it. So if she doesn't want another coach--that can help her--that's being spoiled indeed.

Why not get a manager that doesn't force you to play Extraliga and do these other events then? I understand HIS goals, but they don't have to be Petra's goals. Plus, she can always say no. And if that creates too many problems: Change Managers or leave the Czech Republic (as many of these big stars do from smaller countries to get away from the pressure and multiple engagements their asked to attend at home). Now if that's part of Petra's contract and she wants honor it--oh well. :lol: The irony is, Petra will make Cernosek much more money winning more Grand Slams and the associated endorsements that come with it, than playing in Extraliga and Fed Cup with out those Grand Slam, Olympic and YEC titles. Pressure or no Pressure, Cernosek should see that to. No?

The problem with Csernosek choosing Petra team members are, will he choose someone outside of his network--if he CAN'T find someone appropriate within it? :eek: For example, Slozil said that Petra should contact Djokovic's coach--whose clearly outside of Cernosek's network. You think he wants/would allow that? :shrug:

More importantly, shouldn't the coach, the player and their advisors know/choose team members? Why would you let the manager do it? He's not a tennis person. The reason why he would do it, is so he could choose his own people. Otherwise; it makes no sense.

Thanks again for your comments and perspective, during the off season. :yeah:

bruce goose
Nov 21st, 2012, 02:25 PM
There are degrees of spoiledness and,if Petra is,indeed,spoiled,she's still not nearly as bad as several other players

steni
Nov 21st, 2012, 03:18 PM
Dudes I thought you supposed to post news or articles in here!

Petronius
Nov 21st, 2012, 03:20 PM
just curious when did Mr Cernosek start to find the talent in Petra? did he provide any guidance or help before her transition into WTA, like when she was 17, 18ish?

This has been discussed many times before. She joined the Prostejov academy as a 16-year-old after she broke through at the Czech Republic's most important junior tournament. Until that she competed for and practiced at the tennis club in her home town of Fulnek.

I have no doubt Černošek & Co. had been following her closely before the triumph at the junior tournament.

In 1998, Černošek even founded M Sport Servis, a company that supports talented young players in many ways (obtaining wild cards, providing coaches who travel with the player, brokering potentially lucrative contracts between players and equipment/clothing manufacturers, etc.)

This is obviously just one piece of the puzzle.

Overall, Černošek's contribution to Czech tennis and the first-ever Hopman/Fed/Davis hattrick is simply huge.

It is very likely that the impressive system and facilities built by Černošek & Co. will produce more great players in the future.

And it's obvious that if you have the best tennis facilities in CZ or Central Europe, the talent will naturally gravitate to you.

TimeyWimey
Nov 21st, 2012, 05:56 PM
This has been discussed many times before. She joined the Prostejov academy as a 16-year-old after she broke through at the Czech Republic's most important junior tournament. Until that she competed for and practiced at the tennis club in her home town of Fulnek.

I have no doubt Černošek & Co. had been following her closely before the triumph at the junior tournament.

It is very likely that the impressive system and facilities built by Černošek & Co. will produce more great players in the future.

thank you, i knew i had missed a lot info here :/

the reason i asked is i was thinking about another genius Lewis Hamilton, similar example, who was signed by Ron Dennis's young driver support program which would cover all his racing fees as long as he wins every level of championships, young Lewis didn't disappoint his manager, and more, he won the formula one championships as well in 2008

no one would imagine the break up of this duo several years ago, but now Lewis' departure from McLaren is confirmed, the reason as Lewis describes, he wants to win and he wants to be happy

and the relationship within a team, no matter how strong it might seem at one time, often being irreversible once the equilibrium is broken, from my point of view, what happened this year is more than enough to cause such instability, has Petra already thought about changing, instead of being changed? has Cernosek realized his strategy might have already hurt Petra's career? both of them, have they realized the relationship within the team would not lead to where they had imagined a year ago?

are they afraid of losing each other? or Cernosek implied "don't you dare!", which i highly doubt, as you mentioned, more great players would come from that amazing facility, then Petra might simply be "dumpable".....

who speaks for Petra at that time......?

iva_ds87
Nov 21st, 2012, 06:22 PM
He´s working with juniors (He was relocated = fired)

What did he do to become uncomfortable to Cernosek?




I'm sure Radwanska, Petrova, Li Na and Sharapova WOULD NOT agree with you, that it's always best to keep the same coaches. :lol:

You're saying Djokovic maintained the same doctor as well? And he never brought in specialist to work on different elements of his game?

I don't think Petra's introverted. She's just spoiled (or talks when she wanna talks). If you ever see Petra at those black tie Gala's she always appears radiant. Even in more lighter moments on television, she's always bubbly. I just think she likes her privacy and what she wants, when she wants it. So if she doesn't want another coach--that can help her--that's being spoiled indeed.


Thanks for your nice words :)

I meant have just one tennis coach at a time, not don't ever change him/her. Of course if you see things aren't working, you should get a new coach. Wozniacki and Sanchez didn't work out, because her father was still involved.

Djokovic has had the same coach and physio since 2007 and just changed the fitness coach and worked with a nutritionist (Cetojevic) for a year, who discovered his gluten-intolerance, which improved even more his fitness. I'm hot sure whether Slozil means him.

I wouldn't call Petra spoiled, for me she's still getting used to having to say the same thing over and over again. Agree she likes privacy and is uncomfortable with too much media attention. She looks radiant at off court events, because she's beautiful and has professional make-up done ;)

I think Cernosek still thinks he can provide Petra everything she needs and she'll win more Slam titles AND still satisfy his wishes. If his appointments don't work out anymore, he will search for outside help, he might be self-serving, but not insane. I guess Petra might feel somehow indebted to him (and have an unbreakable contract) for helping her into Prostejov initially and is reluctant to look for a new manager. Also I'm not sure any manager in the world would promise you that you won't have to attend any off court activities. It doesn't matter whether it's in the Czech republic or abroad, there's time you have to dedicate to your sponsors. Look at Wozniacki - at some point she was everywhere and she recently remarked it got too much.

Side note: Just out of curiosity, what is Safarova's arrangement, how come Cernosek didn't sign her?

paulmara
Nov 21st, 2012, 06:57 PM
What did he do to become uncomfortable to Cernosek?

Petra was injured a lot. Černošek had to fire someone.

Excelscior
Nov 21st, 2012, 08:03 PM
What did he do to become uncomfortable to Cernosek?





Thanks for your nice words :)

I meant have just one tennis coach at a time, not don't ever change him/her. Of course if you see things aren't working, you should get a new coach. Wozniacki and Sanchez didn't work out, because her father was still involved.

Djokovic has had the same coach and physio since 2007 and just changed the fitness coach and worked with a nutritionist (Cetojevic) for a year, who discovered his gluten-intolerance, which improved even more his fitness. I'm hot sure whether Slozil means him.

I wouldn't call Petra spoiled, for me she's still getting used to having to say the same thing over and over again. Agree she likes privacy and is uncomfortable with too much media attention. She looks radiant at off court events, because she's beautiful and has professional make-up done ;)

I think Cernosek still thinks he can provide Petra everything she needs and she'll win more Slam titles AND still satisfy his wishes. If his appointments don't work out anymore, he will search for outside help, he might be self-serving, but not insane. I guess Petra might feel somehow indebted to him (and have an unbreakable contract) for helping her into Prostejov initially and is reluctant to look for a new manager. Also I'm not sure any manager in the world would promise you that you won't have to attend any off court activities. It doesn't matter whether it's in the Czech republic or abroad, there's time you have to dedicate to your sponsors. Look at Wozniacki - at some point she was everywhere and she recently remarked it got too much.

Side note: Just out of curiosity, what is Safarova's arrangement, how come Cernosek didn't sign her?

Well at this point, Cernosek is acting like Petra's father. :lol:

With Wozniaki, it appears her father has reached the limits of coaching her, but doesn't want to let go. In Cernosek's case, I don't think he wants to let go either. Piotr goes around the world for Caro's people, and gives them no real chance. Cernosek, can't even be bothered to pretend to look/go around the world-- like Caro's father does, and gives no one a chance outside his network. :lol:

Well, I would love to see Petra consult with a fitness coach or nutriitonist--outside of his Network, like Djokovic did. :lol:

Yes, I think Slozil meant contact Djokovic's coach, so Petra could find out about his nutritional, physio and medical team. Maybe he meant coaching tips to? :oh: I don't know. :lol:

When I called Petra radiant, I was including her personality, enthusiasm and overall glow. Even during press conferences and interviews, Petra can be very fun, magnetic, self assured and alluring (in her own way).

Some of us have speculated, the reason why Cersoenek hasn't gone outside of his network (though it would make sense): Because he's afraid of losing Petra to someone else. Apparently, he lost Martina Hingis, after working with her. I don't know. He could also be overtly nationalistic and stubborn as well. But his decisions (or lack of them) can certainly hinder Petra in the future, especially when Cernosek's choices appear limited to his own network.

Not every manager is a Tennis facility owner, Tournament Promoter, Involved in Tourism and politics--in general or in your home country. There are many managers that just manage. And unless your with a big time Agency--like CAA or IMG, William Morris, etc., your responsibilities should be limited. Petra has enough responsibility from the WTA and her sponsors. However, other responsibilities shouldn't come because of her managers own self serving interest. Petra's did her part already. Prostojev and Cernosek's Sports Grp, will forever be known for producing Petra Kvitova. One of the problems is, he still wants Petra to play in his events, when she should practice, rest or heal. That's bad!

Wozniaki, was EVERY WHERE, because both she and her father tried to sign up every $$ deal that she could. But at least she got paid for it. I'm not sure Petra gets much $$ (if anything) playing Cernosek's tournaments, outside of paying a debt or responsibility to him.

No contract of their type is unbreakable. This was discussed above. As I said, athletes/entertainers break up with their managers all the time. Timey Winey, gave an example with F1 Driver--Lewis Hamilton as well. It's very hard for an intermediary to win big over a talent (content) provider. And lengthy contracts are usually not signed by the talent or enforced against them--when they do by the courts (cause the intermediaries are not essential for the delivery of the product).

To my knowledge, Safarova and Berdych are part of Cernosek's management and are Prostojev members as well.

No one knows what happened to Ivanko. And some of us think he was re-assigned or let go Cernosek.

Ironically, last year--Ivanko claimed he was such a hot commodity, that Piotr (Caro's father) was hot and heavy for him. Now, I think he's supposed to be working with the Prostojev boys. But I don't know.

And we're always NICE here (at least most of the time). :lol:

Excelscior
Nov 21st, 2012, 10:32 PM
Your post is a perfect example why formal contracts with players are signed to protect one's investment.

The club invests lots of $$$ into hopefully talented, yet completely unknown young players - like a 11-year-old Tomas Berdych in 1996 or a 16-year-old Petra Kvitova in 2006, while hoping they will develop a new tennis star and get their money back.

But they know that when their player breaks through or even wins a Wimbledon (they have obviously learned their lesson - see the Hingis example above) that other agents/managers/clubs will want to entice the new-born star away and they may lose a lot of money.

Thus, e.g. Tomas Berdych's contract includes a clause that he must not play for a different club (at least for a certain period). Petra's contract should also contain some restrictions or even sanctions if she suddenly leaves and relocates.

PS: If Petra wanted to she could get out of this contract easy (even in the Czech Republic). Last time, I told you practically speaking (Petra leaving the country, PR at home, how the courts favor the talent, etc), and how developing artist and athletes is not easily quantifiable. OK. Let's look at it your way ("everything you claim Cernosek has done for Petra").

If Petra said "I don't want to be with him anymore", and they went to court. The courts would ask Cernosek to provide all the developmental tennis cost he spent on Petra at Prostojev. And let's even say he said $200,000, and Petra agreed on all of it. OK, so they would ask Petra to pay the $200,000 and maybe another $100-$200000 for his services and/or future earnings (within a reasonable time frame). Thats it. Petra could buy him out for $250 to $400,000 (probably less, but I'm using your Cernosek friendly example). And she's gone. Keep in mind, Petra can also say XX $ Cernosek made off of her, helped pay back those development cost in the first place. But I was using your straight Cernosenk example.

Now, how else would Cernosek have a future claim on Petra? What could he provide her, if she wanted leave that she couldn't get somewhere else? She doesn't need him to play tennis. And She's not a slave or forever indebted to him. I'm glad you said the word "investment". OK. Petra would pay back his "investment" (if that) and move on. Think about it? That's all it would take (generally speaking). That's how the court works in these cases.

This is not like an Actor and a movie company or broadcaster; a artist and a record company or a NBA player vs his team.

Those institutions actually PAY HIM or HER (the talent) a lot of money for the artist to leave would have to buy them out or forfeit payment on their contract $$ by walking away, and/or getting sued for it. Managers and Agents only RECEIVE smaller percentages/payments, not generate the actual income.

Plus, the Record company, Broadcaster, Movie House, Sports team/NBA provide him/her the distribution or apparatus (THE NBA, TV station, record distribution and radio play, and Movie house distribution and promotion, etc.) which prove their se value to the artist/athlete. This is what I mean when I say Cernosek is not a content provider or distributor, and is only ancillary to the process. So it wouldn't be hard to walk away from him, or for Petra to BUY OUT Cernosek in comparison. That's why movement happen so frequently with athletes, artist and their managers and agents. Cernosek provides a service like anything/anyone else. And if Petra doesn't like it, she can freely move on (unless there's money owed and that's worked out). She's not forever indebted to him. Anyone can say they manage someone successful or famous. How hard is that? They would have to prove they provide a service essential for future payment (such as cutting certain endorsement deals). However, he'd have little claim in Tennis, cause Cernosenk is neither the talent or the distribution, so even if he claimed he helped assist her development, it means nothing (or not much) to her success. And even with the endorsements, the courts would lean more toward the artist/player if they were already successful and famous, when negotiated.

So if Cernosek negotiated any endorsement deals for Petra--outside of Tennis, and could prove it/that he was essential, sure he would get XX $$/% of those deals and they could continue as they are till they expired or Petra could buy him out of those as well (depending on the amount of payment expected and if she wanted to). And the same goes for her appearances (if they're even written into the contract) to play at Extralagia, Prague 100K, Fed Cup or any other Cernosek sponsored event. Not hard to finish/fulfill or to exit from.

So, in my opinion, this wouldn't be as hard as you think Petronius. And the tennis management part would be SO easy. Honestly, Cernosek wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on, if Petra wanted to leave (even in the Cernosek Crony Czech Republic). Case closed. And of course, she could make it even simpler, and just leave the country altogether. :lol:

Sorry!

bruce goose
Nov 22nd, 2012, 07:36 AM
Guys,you're definitely on topic while discussing Petra's management,yet all of this lengthy legal talk over the specific stipulations of her contract is getting REALLY,really boring......could we just get back to Petra's activities and flush the legal stuff down the toilet?....please?:angel:

paulmara
Nov 22nd, 2012, 08:05 AM
could we just get back to Petra's activities

We don´t know much. Her PR is not very good.

bruce goose
Nov 22nd, 2012, 08:36 AM
We don´t know much. Her PR is not very good.Yes,Paul,but I don't have any obsessive need to stay attuned to Petra's current doings;it's the offseason so she's doing personal stuff.If I wanted to get THAT close to Petra's camp,I'd apply for a job as Prosto's obedience trainer;)

My point was that contract law is a fairly boring-ass topic,and we don't have to belabor any debate over every possible ramification of contract stipulations.Ultimately,this would only be relevant if Petra WANTED to be freed from her contract to seek someone else...and needed encouragement from her fans to do so.There's not much evidence of that as she appears quite content with the Pyle brothers,Dr.Pikola,et al.:eek:

P.S.: Am going back to bed...hopefully for at least 5 more hrs....so seeya later,Experto de Olimpicos Polares

Petronius
Nov 22nd, 2012, 11:07 AM
We don´t know much. Her PR is not very good.

So maybe jerriy was right, that Canadian PR lady is a waste of pay :lol:

Petronius
Nov 22nd, 2012, 11:09 AM
PS: If Petra wanted to she could get out of this contract easy (even in the Czech Republic). Last time, I told you practically speaking (Petra leaving the country, PR at home, how the courts favor the talent, etc), and how developing artist and athletes is not easily quantifiable. OK. Let's look at it your way ("everything you claim Cernosek has done for Petra").

If Petra said "I don't want to be with him anymore", and they went to court. The courts would ask Cernosek to provide all the developmental tennis cost he spent on Petra at Prostojev. And let's even say he said $200,000, and Petra agreed on all of it. OK, so they would ask Petra to pay the $200,000 and maybe another $100-$200000 for his services and/or future earnings (within a reasonable time frame). Thats it. Petra could buy him out for $250 to $400,000 (probably less, but I'm using your Cernosek friendly example). And she's gone. Keep in mind, Petra can also say XX $ Cernosek made off of her, helped pay back those development cost in the first place. But I was using your straight Cernosenk example.

Now, how else would Cernosek have a future claim on Petra? What could he provide her, if she wanted leave that she couldn't get somewhere else? She doesn't need him to play tennis. And She's not a slave or forever indebted to him. I'm glad you said the word "investment". OK. Petra would pay back his "investment" (if that) and move on. Think about it? That's all it would take (generally speaking). That's how the court works in these cases.

This is not like an Actor and a movie company or broadcaster; a artist and a record company or a NBA player vs his team.

Those institutions actually PAY HIM or HER (the talent) a lot of money for the artist to leave would have to buy them out or forfeit payment on their contract $$ by walking away, and/or getting sued for it. Managers and Agents only RECEIVE smaller percentages/payments, not generate the actual income.

Plus, the Record company, Broadcaster, Movie House, Sports team/NBA provide him/her the distribution or apparatus (THE NBA, TV station, record distribution and radio play, and Movie house distribution and promotion, etc.) which prove their se value to the artist/athlete. This is what I mean when I say Cernosek is not a content provider or distributor, and is only ancillary to the process. So it wouldn't be hard to walk away from him, or for Petra to BUY OUT Cernosek in comparison. That's why movement happen so frequently with athletes, artist and their managers and agents. Cernosek provides a service like anything/anyone else. And if Petra doesn't like it, she can freely move on (unless there's money owed and that's worked out). She's not forever indebted to him. Anyone can say they manage someone successful or famous. How hard is that? They would have to prove they provide a service essential for future payment (such as cutting certain endorsement deals). However, he'd have little claim in Tennis, cause Cernosenk is neither the talent or the distribution, so even if he claimed he helped assist her development, it means nothing (or not much) to her success. And even with the endorsements, the courts would lean more toward the artist/player if they were already successful and famous, when negotiated.

So if Cernosek negotiated any endorsement deals for Petra--outside of Tennis, and could prove it/that he was essential, sure he would get XX $$/% of those deals and they could continue as they are till they expired or Petra could buy him out of those as well (depending on the amount of payment expected and if she wanted to). And the same goes for her appearances (if they're even written into the contract) to play at Extralagia, Prague 100K, Fed Cup or any other Cernosek sponsored event. Not hard to finish/fulfill or to exit from.

So, in my opinion, this wouldn't be as hard as you think Petronius. And the tennis management part would be SO easy. Honestly, Cernosek wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on, if Petra wanted to leave (even in the Cernosek Crony Czech Republic). Case closed. And of course, she could make it even simpler, and just leave the country altogether. :lol:

Sorry!

Interesting post, but pure speculation and theory unless and until Petra REALLY wants to move elsewhere. So far I haven't registered any info that she is unhappy and wants to leave the Prostejov academy.

paulmara
Nov 22nd, 2012, 12:03 PM
Yes,Paul,but I don't have any obsessive need to stay attuned to Petra's current doings;it's the offseason so she's doing personal stuff.

I don´t care about photos from Maldives but their meeting about her new team is very important for 2013 season.

So maybe jerriy was right, that Canadian PR lady is a waste of pay :lol:

She is better than Karel Tejkal

bruce goose
Nov 22nd, 2012, 01:53 PM
I don´t care about photos from Maldives but their meeting about her new team is very important for 2013 season.Well,of COURSE Petra's team is important,but that doesn't require any marathon discussion on contract law;)....Tienes que comprar boletos para Lucha greco-romano de los osos polares;es un evento MUY popular y los asientos desaparecen rapidamente:p

steni
Nov 22nd, 2012, 04:59 PM
So maybe jerriy was right, that Canadian PR lady is a waste of pay :lol:

I could do better as her PR... :)

Excelscior
Nov 22nd, 2012, 05:14 PM
Guys,you're definitely on topic while discussing Petra's management,yet all of this lengthy legal talk over the specific stipulations of her contract is getting REALLY,really boring......could we just get back to Petra's activities and flush the legal stuff down the toilet?....please?:angel:

Sorry about the Mumbo Jumbo.

I'll be the first to own up to that. But what else are we gonna talk about now anyway? :lol: :shrug: :lol:

Plus, Petronius made it sound/wanted to believe that Petra's basically in chattel slavery and servitude for Cernosek, and I was just showing (not just telling) him why not. :lol:

And we really don't know what Petra's thinking, if she's actually communicating with Slozil and considered not playing Extraliga, while not automatically committing to Fed Cup when asked?

We also don't know who reads these blogs and the media, and may give Petra feed back on what they think, if/when they talk to her or are asked?

Chances are Petra's not leaving anytime soon. But we'll see and learn/hear more in the future (and can hope)? :lol:

Excelscior
Nov 22nd, 2012, 05:30 PM
Interesting post, but pure speculation and theory unless and until Petra REALLY wants to move elsewhere. So far I haven't registered any info that she is unhappy and wants to leave the Prostejov academy.

True indeed.

I was just responding to your post, that Petra was basically Cernosek's House Maid/Servant/property (joke) for the foreseeable future in order to "protect his investment" :lol:

And she's not; nor wouldn't be (if she wanted more freedom/input or even considered breaking away).

Petronius
Nov 22nd, 2012, 07:37 PM
has Petra already thought about changing, instead of being changed? has Cernosek realized his strategy might have already hurt Petra's career? both of them, have they realized the relationship within the team would not lead to where they had imagined a year ago?

are they afraid of losing each other? or Cernosek implied "don't you dare!", which i highly doubt, as you mentioned, more great players would come from that amazing facility, then Petra might simply be "dumpable".....

who speaks for Petra at that time......?

This Černošek-Petra thing is overblown. He may require her to play Extraliga in December, but it's actually good practice before the season. Hingis played two singles matches and one doubles match in the 1997 Extraliga finals (held indoors of course) and then won her 2nd Aussie Open in a row in January 1998. Not to mention that between the matches she and her mom were busy negotiating endorsement deals with international agents and Martina even cancelled some interviews for Czech magazines. :lol: Petra's life is much easier. But as Složil said, she needs to hit the gym and get rid of a few kilos.

And yeah, surely they can break up in the future, who knows, but I doubt it will be any time soon. She has cutting-edge facilities at her disposal and a family just one hour drive away. And if she needs a summer training camp, she drives to the Vienna Airport and after a short flight she's in Turkey on a beach.

BTW, nice example from the Formula 1.

Petronius
Nov 22nd, 2012, 07:43 PM
I could do better as her PR... :)

Go ahead! :D

bruce goose
Nov 22nd, 2012, 07:53 PM
Sorry about the Mumbo Jumbo.

I'll be the first to own up to that. But what else are we gonna talk about now anyway? :lol: :shrug: :lol:

Plus, Petronius made it sound/wanted to believe that Petra's basically in chattel slavery and servitude for Cernosek, and I was just showing (not just telling) him why not. :lol:

And we really don't know what Petra's thinking, if she's actually communicating with Slozil and considered not playing Extraliga, while not automatically committing to Fed Cup when asked?

We also don't know who reads these blogs and the media, and may give Petra feed back on what they think, if/when they talk to her or are asked?

Chances are Petra's not leaving anytime soon. But we'll see and learn/hear more in the future (and can hope)? :lol:Well,I wasn't angry or anything;it's just not a very entertaining read sometimes...the sort of stuff you read only when you HAVE to cuz you're facing a lawsuit:lol:.

As I said,it's sort of irrelevant for now,unfortunately,because Petra doesn't show any indication of seeking more objective,fair-minded management

ShiftyFella
Nov 22nd, 2012, 09:20 PM
I don´t care about photos from Maldives but their meeting about her new team is very important for 2013 season.

I need some bikini shots of her for drooling purposes:angel::haha: we need more Petra in GM, some nice offseason photos can do it:drool:


btw, bikini photos could be used for some science to assess her "fitness" condition, since tennis uniform is clear misfit and real life cloth can hide her belly:lol:

Petronius
Nov 22nd, 2012, 10:22 PM
I need some bikini shots of her for drooling purposes:angel::haha: we need more Petra in GM, some nice offseason photos can do it:drool:


btw, bikini photos could be used for some science to assess her "fitness" condition, since tennis uniform is clear misfit and real life cloth can hide her belly:lol:

Don't worry, some ASS from a Czech tabloid will probably soon release a thorough ASSessment of Petra's ASS in bikini with the accompanying juicy pictures a la Kate and William during their France holiday :haha:

Check this insane tabloid report from the FedCup in Germany: TOTAL TRIUMPH! Czech girls beat Germans both with tennis and their boobs. BTW, in the last pic, they confused Kerber with Zvonareva :lol:

http://i.superspy.cz/sport/11492-totalni-triumf-cesky-vyhraly-na-body-i-na-prsa

bruce goose
Nov 23rd, 2012, 04:30 AM
If Petra's not showing you enough skin,you can always become a regular over in the Serb forum,Petronius;);of course,it might get a little disappointing after a while having faves who never win tournaments and rarely even win big matches:lol:

Petronius
Nov 23rd, 2012, 11:10 AM
If Petra's not showing you enough skin,you can always become a regular over in the Serb forum,Petronius;);of course,it might get a little disappointing after a while having faves who never win tournaments and rarely even win big matches:lol:

This debate was started by our friend Shifty, not me :lol:

Anyway, Petra's not my type in terms of looks. I am a fan, because of her amazing tennis skills and likeable personality. :cool:

ShiftyFella
Nov 23rd, 2012, 11:34 AM
Don't worry, some ASS from a Czech tabloid will probably soon release a thorough ASSessment of Petra's ASS in bikini with the accompanying juicy pictures a la Kate and William during their France holiday :haha:

Check this insane tabloid report from the FedCup in Germany: TOTAL TRIUMPH! Czech girls beat Germans both with tennis and their boobs. BTW, in the last pic, they confused Kerber with Zvonareva :lol:

http://i.superspy.cz/sport/11492-totalni-triumf-cesky-vyhraly-na-body-i-na-prsa
who cares about some ASS, i'm talking being more 'interactive' with her fans not Rena's twitter crazy but still show that you know you have some fans or something, Katie don't do her job as PR machine either, she was better as hitting partner, maybe they should re-hire as hitting partner:lol:



btw, looked at tabloid report, part about nipples:rolls::happy:

Petronius
Nov 23rd, 2012, 12:49 PM
btw, looked at tabloid report, part about nipples:rolls::happy:

With Iveta's breasts being one-fifth of Julia's, they had to invent something to make the Czech girl win :lol:

bruce goose
Nov 23rd, 2012, 02:09 PM
Petra is so proud of her male fanbase as she's reading this:unsure:

Petronius
Nov 23rd, 2012, 02:14 PM
Petra is so proud of her male fanbase as she's reading this:unsure:

Let's hope Petra's English is still not good enough to understand what is being said in here :scared:

ShiftyFella
Nov 23rd, 2012, 02:43 PM
Petra is so proud of her male fanbase as she's reading this:unsure:
Petra is in teddy bears and kindergarten land, she doesn't know what male fanbase is:o

pling
Nov 23rd, 2012, 03:23 PM
Petra is so proud of her male fanbase as she's reading this:unsure:

She is too busy working out :cool:

Hello! My holidays were great but too short :( since Monday I have been working a LOT. My muscles are not my friends!

http://twitter.com/Petra_Kvitova/status/271966076366102528

Petronius
Nov 23rd, 2012, 04:25 PM
She is too busy working out :cool:



http://twitter.com/Petra_Kvitova/status/271966076366102528

No surprise, she's going after that elusive Extraliga Aussie Open title :rocker:

bruce goose
Nov 23rd, 2012, 05:10 PM
Let's hope Petra's English is still not good enough to understand what is being said in here :scared:Well,it's probably easier for Petra to READ than it is for her to speak it;that's usually the case with new-language learners.Regardless,the article you linked was in Czech so that pretty much kills any uncertainty that Petra may have had:o...but let's hope that "Pling's" report is accurate about the training,huh?

ShiftyFella
Nov 23rd, 2012, 06:18 PM
Well,it's probably easier for Petra to READ than it is for her to speak it;that's usually the case with new-language learners.Regardless,the article you linked was in Czech so that pretty much kills any uncertainty that Petra may have had:o...but let's hope that "Pling's" report is accurate about the training,huh?
but who supervises her workouts?:confused:

Petronius
Nov 23rd, 2012, 06:21 PM
but who supervises her workouts?:confused:

I guess Ivanko. He is based in Prostějov so she can use him.

ShiftyFella
Nov 23rd, 2012, 07:28 PM
I guess Ivanko. He is based in Prostějov so she can use him.
it's great that she doing some exercise and stuff but wouldn't be appropriate to find new physical trainer and start training by his program or maybe she already did?

bruce goose
Nov 23rd, 2012, 08:20 PM
but who supervises her workouts?:confused:If Petra sticks with the old routine,then Gomer Pyle will be in charge of tennis-related drills while his brother Goober will direct off-court training...or maybe I have them reversed.....Now that we're on the topic,I'd be interested to learn if there were any character similar to Gomer on Czech television

Petronius
Nov 23rd, 2012, 10:28 PM
Check this cool French blog with lots of pics, interviews and info about Petra. It seems she is quite popular in France.

Perfect way to refresh your French skills :lol:

http://tennisandco.rmc.fr/r17729/Petra-Kvitova/

bruce goose
Nov 24th, 2012, 04:28 AM
Perfect way to refresh your French skills :lol:

http://tennisandco.rmc.fr/r17729/Petra-Kvitova/If she gets any snide questions from French press at next year's RG,Petra can just say,'Foulez-vous'....but she's probably too sweet:angel: for that

Lufa
Nov 27th, 2012, 09:06 PM
Petra Kvitová:
My "Tennisography" premieres on Tennis Channel on Sunday, December 2 at 7pm EST. Here is a little taster for you

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152283965220707

A blast from the past or once upon a time: Mr. Ivanko with Petra at full throttle :bounce:

Excelscior
Nov 27th, 2012, 09:27 PM
Petra Kvitová:
My "Tennisography" premieres on Tennis Channel on Sunday, December 2 at 7pm EST. Here is a little taster for you

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10152283965220707

A blast from the past or once upon a time: Mr. Ivanko with Petra at full throttle :bounce:

Thanks Lufa.

And Petra's still too nice. :lol:

She needs more of a full time killer instinct (regarding her matches and opponents).

netphobia
Nov 27th, 2012, 10:08 PM
Wow, it's quite dramatic, isn't it? :lol: (I know I'm one to talk about being dramatic :oh:)

@Excelsior: True, but if you're not naturally aggressive or super competitive off court, it can be difficult to switch that on at will.

bruce goose
Nov 30th, 2012, 04:33 AM
Wow, it's quite dramatic, isn't it? :lol: (I know I'm one to talk about being dramatic :oh:)So you caught the irony there,huh:lol:?Seriously,if you're planning on a Communications major at uni,then maybe YOU could become Petra's press agent in the coming years;)

paulmara
Dec 3rd, 2012, 11:54 AM
WHAT'S NEXT? WTA NO. 8, PETRA KVITOVA
Still the future of the game?
http://www.tennis.com/news/2012/12/whats-next-wta-no-8-petra-kvitova/45580/

Excelscior
Dec 3rd, 2012, 01:12 PM
I haven't read the article yet. But I hate Steve Tignor's writing regarding Petra most times. :lol:

He's so hard on her (even wrongly assessed her game when many of his own commentators were telling him for months otherwise, till he relented).

So many times Tignor likes to write for dramatic effect, instead of tennis sensibility. I don't think he watches as many matches as he pretends to. For example, he didn't know Petra could volley last year (Pre or post Wimby), though he was always quick to criticize, doubt her. Like I said, it was the commentators on his articles--who sent him Youtube videos, before he finally saw the light and publicly relented.

Ironically, Petra actually deserves some criticism now. So I fear to read the article (unless Steve is in off season mode or had legitimate expert comments in the article). :)

bruce goose
Dec 3rd, 2012, 01:17 PM
WHAT'S NEXT? WTA NO. 8, PETRA KVITOVA
Still the future of the game?
http://www.tennis.com/news/2012/12/whats-next-wta-no-8-petra-kvitova/45580/How about THAT! An article on Petra that's about the present and future and NOT from 2011:p

Excelscior
Dec 3rd, 2012, 01:41 PM
How about THAT! An article on Petra that's about the present and future and NOT from 2011:p

Well, that's cause it's part of a series "What's Next?", where they cover all top 10 players from the previous year, looking forward to next year.

This time it's WTA No. 8, Petra Kvitova. So they had to cover her upcoming/next season. :lol:

And no, I didn't read it yet. :lol:

Petronius
Dec 3rd, 2012, 02:39 PM
WHAT'S NEXT? WTA NO. 8, PETRA KVITOVA
Still the future of the game?
http://www.tennis.com/news/2012/12/whats-next-wta-no-8-petra-kvitova/45580/

Thanks. This domination-obsession is getting boring, TBH. Even if Petra wins 'only' three Wimbledons, two Australian Opens and one US Open - without ever dominating the game - it's still a great career with lots of great matches.

We'll see :lol:

ShiftyFella
Dec 3rd, 2012, 02:39 PM
WHAT'S NEXT? WTA NO. 8, PETRA KVITOVA
Still the future of the game?
http://www.tennis.com/news/2012/12/whats-next-wta-no-8-petra-kvitova/45580/
great article about nothing as usual on tennis.com, tho worst case scenario is very positive, i was expecting some bashing but none found. i guess everybody really wants her to succeed

Petronius
Dec 3rd, 2012, 02:46 PM
i guess everybody really wants her to succeed

Yeah, it's nice to see. There's a lack of exciting and attacking tennis players on both tours and not everyone wants to watch endless Murray-Djokovic or Djokovic-Nadal rallies, which are often more about athleticisim and physical stamina than about tennis skills.

Excelscior
Dec 3rd, 2012, 03:56 PM
OK.

I read the first paragraph and stopped, cause it made me think of so many haterz on GM here. :lol:

Here it is:

It seems like a very long time ago, in a tennis galaxy far far away, but as 2012 began, the consensus among WTA observers that Kvitova, who had won Wimbledon and the WTA Championships the year before, was the immediate future of women’s tennis.

I love how some haterz on GM (especially Caro fans--sorry Bruce--no offense to them, and even Vika and Masha tards), say that 'no one in the media or tennis cognoscenti tabbed Petra to take over the game and as it's new force', etc., when we said this was the case. :lol: :help: :lol:

There it is right there in black and white. Not only did they predict her to (WTA observers), but the media also supported, repeated and embraced the notion.

Today, you have some haterz that love to say stuff like "the media would never support her", "she's nobody", etc., when that was the furthest thing from the truth. Unfortunately, Petra didn't live up to her part of the bargain. :shrug:

Better luck next year Babe.

The actual article, wasn't that long or in depth. But it was fine (I guess) for the series, and Petra's current ranking.

TimeyWimey
Dec 3rd, 2012, 04:11 PM
I haven't read the article yet. But I hate Steve Tignor's writing regarding Petra most times. :lol:

He's so hard on her (even wrongly assessed her game when many of his own commentators were telling him for months otherwise, till he relented).

So many times Tignor likes to write for dramatic effect, instead of tennis sensibility. I don't think he watches as many matches as he pretends to. For example, he didn't know Petra could volley last year (Pre or post Wimby), though he was always quick to criticize, doubt her. Like I said, it was the commentators on his articles--who sent him Youtube videos, before he finally saw the light and publicly relented.

Ironically, Petra actually deserves some criticism now. So I fear to read the article (unless Steve is in off season mode or had legitimate expert comments in the article). :)

we don't have to read that to get the idea of his opinions

did he provide any useful tips for Petra here? :lol:

Petronius
Dec 3rd, 2012, 07:39 PM
BTW, there are lots of interesting comments below that article.

Like these two:

"I am a private friend of Petras father Jiri Kvita and come from a town approx 10 km from Fulnek, her native town. I know from her father Jiri, that right before YEC Petra played in Prostejovs indoor hall a full-time test match with Safarova who was just going to Moscow while Petra to Istanbul. Petra won it 6:1, 6:0, but nobody knows that. Safarova than destroyed Jankovic and Ivanovic in Fed Cup. Petra had some health and therefore also fitness problems at the end of the year, but if she gets fit again, it can still be very interesting."


"I remember that Kvitova was a true contender for No1 spot before AO and everything was fine until her quarterfinal with Errani, at that time ranked 48th. She gave an interview after that match and she was asked about her chances to take over leading position in WTA race. She swallowed some words, there was more fear than desire in her eyes and she didn't seem to be comfortable with the possible and forthcoming responsibility as a true No1. Than she lost to Sharapova in semi and except for good results in Fed Cup, she vanished until the FO."

ShiftyFella
Dec 3rd, 2012, 07:50 PM
BTW, there are lots of interesting comments below that article.

Like these two:

"I am a private friend of Petras father Jiri Kvita and come from a town approx 10 km from Fulnek, her native town. I know from her father Jiri, that right before YEC Petra played in Prostejovs indoor hall a full-time test match with Safarova who was just going to Moscow while Petra to Istanbul. Petra won it 6:1, 6:0, but nobody knows that. Safarova than destroyed Jankovic and Ivanovic in Fed Cup. Petra had some health and therefore also fitness problems at the end of the year, but if she gets fit again, it can still be very interesting."


"I remember that Kvitova was a true contender for No1 spot before AO and everything was fine until her quarterfinal with Errani, at that time ranked 48th. She gave an interview after that match and she was asked about her chances to take over leading position in WTA race. She swallowed some words, there was more fear than desire in her eyes and she didn't seem to be comfortable with the possible and forthcoming responsibility as a true No1. Than she lost to Sharapova in semi and except for good results in Fed Cup, she vanished until the FO."
I'm the only one who never reads comments on blogs\news sites?:lol:

TimeyWimey
Dec 3rd, 2012, 08:03 PM
BTW, there are lots of interesting comments below that article.

Like these two:

"I am a private friend of Petras father Jiri Kvita and come from a town approx 10 km from Fulnek, her native town. I know from her father Jiri, that right before YEC Petra played in Prostejovs indoor hall a full-time test match with Safarova who was just going to Moscow while Petra to Istanbul. Petra won it 6:1, 6:0, but nobody knows that. Safarova than destroyed Jankovic and Ivanovic in Fed Cup. Petra had some health and therefore also fitness problems at the end of the year, but if she gets fit again, it can still be very interesting."


"I remember that Kvitova was a true contender for No1 spot before AO and everything was fine until her quarterfinal with Errani, at that time ranked 48th. She gave an interview after that match and she was asked about her chances to take over leading position in WTA race. She swallowed some words, there was more fear than desire in her eyes and she didn't seem to be comfortable with the possible and forthcoming responsibility as a true No1. Than she lost to Sharapova in semi and except for good results in Fed Cup, she vanished until the FO."

sounds just like another of her random, close friend who has no clue about what's going on with her, see that might be part of the problem, even her private friend seems clueless on her tennis.....

Petronius
Dec 3rd, 2012, 08:08 PM
I'm the only one who never reads comments on blogs\news sites?:lol:

Give it a try. These comments are sometimes more interesting that the article itself.

steni
Dec 3rd, 2012, 08:10 PM
Hmmm so Petra would be the underdog against sharapova, azarenka and serena in 2013, yeah right! maybe serena but I doubt sharapova and azarenka see Petra as an underdog, they know Petra is dangerous, I just hope she doesnt get sick anymore and take care of herself better, so I would stop suffering for her!

honzaneumannn
Dec 3rd, 2012, 08:53 PM
Give it a try. These comments are sometimes more interesting that the article itself.
In that training match she had no health issues therefore she made it so easily. If YEC was some 5 days sooner, God knows what results could have come. Yes, I know - shoulda coulda woulda..

honzaneumannn
Dec 3rd, 2012, 08:58 PM
Give it a try. These comments are sometimes more interesting that the article itself.
I often call Mr. Kvita to know whats new about Petra. Have got a lot of interesting information already. Petras close family are very nice people - when our phone conversation with Jiri is longer a bit, his wife already wants us to stop this as too long again..ha, ha (I can always hear her somewhere behind claiming we speak together again). He is a great man with no signs of a father whose daughter is a world tennis star. We always have great conversations, often longer than 20 minutes...

honzaneumannn
Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:19 PM
You never know in womens tennis - Serena really down in AO and RG this year and than - what a great turnaround for the rest of this season. Petra is really unpredictable - who would have thought that she is gonna win this years US series??? I personally think, her time shall come in about 2-3 years. My prediction is some 3 next slams in her career with no winning US open and some similar scenario like in Sharapovas case (= gained slams divied in several years and mostly unexpected). She will always have her up and downs due to her risky play, but I hope, we can still expect some great up-times although not regularly. But what is regular in womens tennis???

honzaneumannn
Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:33 PM
Hmmm so Petra would be the underdog against sharapova, azarenka and serena in 2013, yeah right! maybe serena but I doubt sharapova and azarenka see Petra as an underdog, they know Petra is dangerous, I just hope she doesnt get sick anymore and take care of herself better, so I would stop suffering for her!
Just now there are some 10 - 20 degrees below zero in CZ in some parts of our country. Petra tired and sweating after a training in Prostejovs hall - hope, she will not catch a cold again, especially in Czech league season end, where she seems to play again, as Mr. Cernosek will surely find the way how to persuade her to show up.

Petronius
Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:34 PM
Hmmm so Petra would be the underdog against sharapova, azarenka and serena in 2013, yeah right! maybe serena but I doubt sharapova and azarenka see Petra as an underdog, they know Petra is dangerous, I just hope she doesnt get sick anymore and take care of herself better, so I would stop suffering for her!

She definitely needs to manage her health better, especially as regards asthma, breathing and immunity.

As for physiotherapy and the locomotor system, I have no worries. If necessary, Petra can visit a brand-new facility in Prague (BTW, I live about ten minutes from the facility and sometimes go there for a lunch), which has lots of special equipment. A few weeks ago, they helped Radek to get into shape before the London masters and the Davis Cup final.

A few pics from this great facility, they even have some NASA equipment :lol::

http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://i3.cn.cz/1335540673_P201204270919201.jpg&sa=X&ei=6iK9UMPHHMvMsgbZloGIDQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc4FA&usg=AFQjCNHOES3RnAIADXf43ZenwbkWTOO5iw

http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://oidnes.cz/12/043/cl5/MA42cb47_p201204270877601.jpg&sa=X&ei=NR69UMDJLIndsgbgqYDwCw&ved=0CAkQ8wc4NA&usg=AFQjCNHdw4y-oaiAD9mmhKcN92YhOWqIOA

http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.david.fi/uploads/czech3.jpg&sa=X&ei=NB-9ULfkC8iOswbo1oHIDQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc4CA&usg=AFQjCNGIDjq4WdaSZ1xGB7mT4FVpNPYdsQ


http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.info.fyzioterapeuti.cz/_/rsrc/1334907547405/aktuality/vse/zaznambeznadpisu-1/CPM%20zatezove_vysetreni.jpg&sa=X&ei=xR-9UPKsFYjptQa7zoHACg&ved=0CAkQ8wc4CA&usg=AFQjCNEfqD5rdMv2lfNBjekltiBLNTS_4Q

Davis Cup hero aka Martina Hingis former bf having a good time :lol:
http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://i3.cn.cz/1335538910_P201204270885901.jpg&sa=X&ei=viG9UM3SLsuLswaTgIH4Ag&ved=0CAkQ8wc4FA&usg=AFQjCNH32QEpa_WySrp7yX-Zozti-dW4ow

Restaurant
http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://template.tenisklubcpm.cz/default/images/slide3.jpg&sa=X&ei=6CO9UJXqE4nctAa6lICIDw&ved=0CAoQ8wc4pQE&usg=AFQjCNHExYJGTa639WNrqwjaZgA5QuMcVw

And this guy is in charge of it all

http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.erbiakarta.cz/Data/Sites/1/centrum-pohybove-mediciny/foto-cpmchodov-(4).jpg&sa=X&ei=UB-9UI2SLozAtAbhmYHICw&ved=0CAkQ8wc4CA&usg=AFQjCNHSmcZ_pVhBVkg679Ykp3kyoG7zwg

He looks a bit akward (look at his posture and crumpled pants:lol:) and shy, but he is an excellent physiotherapist. Petra is in good hands :D

http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://img6.ceskatelevize.cz/program/porady/10317970619/foto09/212522162300001_03.jpg&sa=X&ei=4SC9UJ2oK4vOswaen4DYAg&ved=0CAoQ8wc4Jw&usg=AFQjCNHvx4GvDRYjuqLUhq0J8-w8mpShIw


Much more equipment they have available for athletes and high-resolution pics are at http://www.cpmchodov.cz/

ShiftyFella
Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:34 PM
Hmmm so Petra would be the underdog against sharapova, azarenka and serena in 2013, yeah right! maybe serena but I doubt sharapova and azarenka see Petra as an underdog, they know Petra is dangerous, I just hope she doesnt get sick anymore and take care of herself better, so I would stop suffering for her!
Against Pova she's underdog sort of, Petra can beat Pova easily but she always sticks to wrong game plan and let Pova play her game, this year proved it even more with all their encounters.

honzaneumannn
Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:37 PM
She definitely needs to manage her health better, especially as regards asthma, breathing and immunity.

As for physiotherapy and the locomotor system, I have no worries. If necessary, Petra can visit a brand-new facility in Prague (BTW, I live about ten minutes from the facility and sometimes go there for a lunch), which has lots of special equipment. A few weeks ago, they helped Radek to get into shape before the London masters and the Davis Cup final.

A few pics from this great facility, they even have some NASA equipment :lol::

http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://i3.cn.cz/1335540673_P201204270919201.jpg&sa=X&ei=6iK9UMPHHMvMsgbZloGIDQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc4FA&usg=AFQjCNHOES3RnAIADXf43ZenwbkWTOO5iw

http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://oidnes.cz/12/043/cl5/MA42cb47_p201204270877601.jpg&sa=X&ei=NR69UMDJLIndsgbgqYDwCw&ved=0CAkQ8wc4NA&usg=AFQjCNHdw4y-oaiAD9mmhKcN92YhOWqIOA

http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.david.fi/uploads/czech3.jpg&sa=X&ei=NB-9ULfkC8iOswbo1oHIDQ&ved=0CAkQ8wc4CA&usg=AFQjCNGIDjq4WdaSZ1xGB7mT4FVpNPYdsQ


http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.info.fyzioterapeuti.cz/_/rsrc/1334907547405/aktuality/vse/zaznambeznadpisu-1/CPM%20zatezove_vysetreni.jpg&sa=X&ei=xR-9UPKsFYjptQa7zoHACg&ved=0CAkQ8wc4CA&usg=AFQjCNEfqD5rdMv2lfNBjekltiBLNTS_4Q

Davis Cup hero aka Martina Hingis former bf having a good time :lol:
http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://i3.cn.cz/1335538910_P201204270885901.jpg&sa=X&ei=viG9UM3SLsuLswaTgIH4Ag&ved=0CAkQ8wc4FA&usg=AFQjCNH32QEpa_WySrp7yX-Zozti-dW4ow

Restaurant
http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://template.tenisklubcpm.cz/default/images/slide3.jpg&sa=X&ei=6CO9UJXqE4nctAa6lICIDw&ved=0CAoQ8wc4pQE&usg=AFQjCNHExYJGTa639WNrqwjaZgA5QuMcVw

And this guy is in charge of it all

http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.erbiakarta.cz/Data/Sites/1/centrum-pohybove-mediciny/foto-cpmchodov-(4).jpg&sa=X&ei=UB-9UI2SLozAtAbhmYHICw&ved=0CAkQ8wc4CA&usg=AFQjCNHSmcZ_pVhBVkg679Ykp3kyoG7zwg

He looks a bit akward (look at his posture and crumpled pants:lol:) and shy, but he is an excellent physiotherapist. Petra is in good hands :D

http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://img6.ceskatelevize.cz/program/porady/10317970619/foto09/212522162300001_03.jpg&sa=X&ei=4SC9UJ2oK4vOswaen4DYAg&ved=0CAoQ8wc4Jw&usg=AFQjCNHvx4GvDRYjuqLUhq0J8-w8mpShIw


Much more equipment they have available for athletes and high-resolution pics are at http://www.cpmchodov.cz/
Nice to see that there is some cool facility available in Prague although some 250 km from Prostejov (am also near here - P4 Kacerov).

netphobia
Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:38 PM
Wow, what a great facility. Do you know what kind of court that is? It almost looks like grass.

ShiftyFella
Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:39 PM
He looks a bit akward (look at his posture and crumpled pants:lol:) and shy, but he is an excellent physiotherapist. Petra is in good hands :D


:haha: Call me when they start working together, than we can talk:lol:


btw, facility looks great but with Petra's team it was always question of right personnel not the access to facilities

honzaneumannn
Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:43 PM
:haha: Call me when they start working together, than we can talk:lol:


btw, facility looks great but with Petra's team it was always question of right personnel not the access to facilities
As I have just learned from Mr. Kvita, just know they are finishing searching a new physio coach for Petra that shall be announced very soon. Not Ivanko again. Am curious, if Petra can affect that selection but think no way...

Petronius
Dec 3rd, 2012, 09:53 PM
I often call Mr. Kvita to know whats new about Petra. Have got a lot of interesting information already. Petras close family are very nice people - when our phone conversation with Jiri is longer a bit, his wife already wants us to stop this as too long again..ha, ha (I can always hear her somewhere behind claiming we speak together again). He is a great man with no signs of a father whose daughter is a world tennis star. We always have great conversations, often longer than 20 minutes...

Ahoj Honzo!

That's some great insight and first-hand info. Big welcome to the subforum and something's telling me you may become an extremely valuable source of information, if you kindly share it of course. :lol:

I often tell people here that they should not worry that much about the Czech league final, because of this:

"In 1997, Czechoslovakian-born Martina Hingis was world No.1 when she helped the Prostejov club to win the domestic title."

In January 1998, she defended her Australian Open title. :D


Once again, welcome!

honzaneumannn
Dec 3rd, 2012, 10:02 PM
Ahoj Honzo!

That's some great insight and first-hand info. Big welcome to the subforum and something's telling me you may become an extremely valuable source of information, if you kindly share it of course. :lol:

I often tell people here that they should not worry that much about the Czech league final, because of this:

"In 1997, Czechoslovakian-born Martina Hingis was world No.1 when she helped the Prostejov club to win the domestic title."

In January 1998, she defended her Australian Open title. :D


Once again, welcome!
Thanks a lot for your nice words - if we are allowed (by the wife of Jiri K.) to have some phone conversation I often get some interesting information. Petras family are really nice people with some lack of English (they are teachers or Ing., but mostly exact specialized, so English is not their prime) and sometimes - when I find some interesting article in EN about Petra - I call Jiri and than we speak about it in phone, have some fun and discuss things about tennis, especially about Petra...

Petronius
Dec 3rd, 2012, 10:06 PM
Wow, what a great facility. Do you know what kind of court that is? It almost looks like grass.

The website (some nice pics: http://www.tenisklubcpm.cz/) says artificial grass outdoors and some special carpet made of 'granules' indoors.

This small tennis club has also some wellness amenities (sauna, steam, etc.) and is attached to the medical facility.

honzaneumannn
Dec 3rd, 2012, 10:11 PM
Ahoj Honzo!

That's some great insight and first-hand info. Big welcome to the subforum and something's telling me you may become an extremely valuable source of information, if you kindly share it of course. :lol:

I often tell people here that they should not worry that much about the Czech league final, because of this:

"In 1997, Czechoslovakian-born Martina Hingis was world No.1 when she helped the Prostejov club to win the domestic title."

In January 1998, she defended her Australian Open title. :D


Once again, welcome!
The Czech league incl. Safarova, Zakopalova, Kerber (played it last year and was defeated by Hradecka !!!), Hradecka (who def. Petra and Angelique !!! last year) can really be a great training for Petra. But again - she should watch out for her health (I come from Olomouc and winters are sometimes colder here). Therefore 2 sets matches (as quick as possible) are higly welcome..ha, ha. Pls. no that marathon with Hradecka again + doubles with Lucie against Benesova/Hradecka - too much effort. Than Brisbaine seems to be a good option to get some points. Hard to say, if Sydney should be chosen too. Next year I would recommend not to play Fed Cup (2 titles are enough and Lucie could show up against Stosur too).

Petronius
Dec 3rd, 2012, 10:11 PM
Thanks a lot for your nice words - if we are allowed (by the wife of Jiri K.) to have some phone conversation I often get some interesting information. Petras family are really nice people with some lack of English (they are teachers or Ing., but mostly exact specialized, so English is not their prime) and sometimes - when I find some interesting article in EN about Petra - I call Jiri and than we speak about it in phone, have some fun and discuss things about tennis, especially about Petra...

Thanks for great info, gotta go now (it's past midnight), but looking forward to dicuss more soon!

Excelscior
Dec 3rd, 2012, 11:21 PM
The Czech league incl. Safarova, Zakopalova, Kerber (played it last year and was defeated by Hradecka !!!), Hradecka (who def. Petra and Angelique !!! last year) can really be a great training for Petra. But again - she should watch out for her health (I come from Olomouc and winters are sometimes colder here). Therefore 2 sets matches (as quick as possible) are higly welcome..ha, ha. Pls. no that marathon with Hradecka again + doubles with Lucie against Benesova/Hradecka - too much effort. Than Brisbaine seems to be a good option to get some points. Hard to say, if Sydney should be chosen too. Next year I would recommend not to play Fed Cup (2 titles are enough and Lucie could show up against Stosur too).

Welcome Honzaneumannn. And thanks for your insight, perspective and information.

Yes, the question wasn't whether or not Petra should ever play Czech league to warm up, etc.. The problem is, Cernosek wants her to play the finals. And once you put Petra in that setting she wants to play hard and win for Cernosek/Prostojev or Czech pride. This is why she got hurt last year playing Hredecka. I personally thought that was ridiculous (as you may as well), and she should have never been placed in that position (to go all out like that).

Petra's a professional and she has to schedule her tournaments around key WTA events and Grand Slams and not put so much effort in Pre Pre-season (not even warm up) tournaments.

I to wished that Petra will have some say on who her Physio person is and that she and Kotyza can make the original choice and not Cernosek as well. I hope they can reject his choices if she/Kotyza doesn't like them or has their own?

And I agree with you as well, that it would be best for Petra not to play Fed Cup--again next year. I concur. Two consecutive titles are enough. Petra's needs to concentrate on her own WTA career at the moment. She has too much talent and potential not do so.

netphobia
Dec 4th, 2012, 04:24 AM
The website (some nice pics: http://www.tenisklubcpm.cz/) says artificial grass outdoors and some special carpet made of 'granules' indoors.

This small tennis club has also some wellness amenities (sauna, steam, etc.) and is attached to the medical facility.

:wavey: Thank you so much!

Sounds wonderful. I want to live there. :hearts:

I also agree that two Fed Cup titles would make this a good time to stop for now, and focus more on the regular tour. Fed Cup really seems to motivate Petra to perform at her best, I think it would be awesome if the fire/pizzazz she put into FC translated to regular season tournaments. :)

bruce goose
Dec 4th, 2012, 04:43 AM
http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://www.erbiakarta.cz/Data/Sites/1/centrum-pohybove-mediciny/foto-cpmchodov-(4).jpg&sa=X&ei=UB-9UI2SLozAtAbhmYHICw&ved=0CAkQ8wc4CA&usg=AFQjCNHSmcZ_pVhBVkg679Ykp3kyoG7zwg

He looks a bit akward (look at his posture and crumpled pants:lol:) and shy, but he is an excellent physiotherapist. Petra is in good hands :D

http://www.google.cz/url?source=imglanding&ct=img&q=http://img6.ceskatelevize.cz/program/porady/10317970619/foto09/212522162300001_03.jpg&sa=X&ei=4SC9UJ2oK4vOswaen4DYAg&ved=0CAoQ8wc4Jw&usg=AFQjCNHvx4GvDRYjuqLUhq0J8-w8mpShIwWill take you at your word that you have some reliable testimonies to that effect...or is he YOUR physiotherapist,too?:lol:

After Petra's bad experiences with Dr.Pikola,you'll have to forgive us if some of us are a little skeptical about Petra's medical team

paulmara
Dec 4th, 2012, 08:04 AM
I often call Mr. Kvita to know whats new about Petra. Have got a lot of interesting information already. Petras close family are very nice people - when our phone conversation with Jiri is longer a bit, his wife already wants us to stop this as too long again..ha, ha (I can always hear her somewhere behind claiming we speak together again). He is a great man with no signs of a father whose daughter is a world tennis star. We always have great conversations, often longer than 20 minutes...

Welcome ! I´m very happy we have you here.

Petronius
Dec 4th, 2012, 10:06 AM
:wavey: Thank you so much!

Sounds wonderful. I want to live there. :hearts:

I also agree that two Fed Cup titles would make this a good time to stop for now, and focus more on the regular tour. Fed Cup really seems to motivate Petra to perform at her best, I think it would be awesome if the fire/pizzazz she put into FC translated to regular season tournaments. :)

BTW, the website says that they even perform a video-analysis of one's groundstrokes and compare it with top world players. And then you'll get a DVD with an in-depth commentary on your tennis skills :lol:

I agree that though it would be cool if Petra reached the FedCup hattrick like Hana Mandlikova in 1983-1985, it's not necessary. Two titles is already a great resume.

On the other hand, the team spirit and atmosphere during Fed Cup weeks is something that money can't buy.

Petronius
Dec 4th, 2012, 12:40 PM
The Czech league incl. Safarova, Zakopalova, Kerber (played it last year and was defeated by Hradecka !!!), Hradecka (who def. Petra and Angelique !!! last year) can really be a great training for Petra. But again - she should watch out for her health (I come from Olomouc and winters are sometimes colder here). Therefore 2 sets matches (as quick as possible) are higly welcome..ha, ha. Pls. no that marathon with Hradecka again + doubles with Lucie against Benesova/Hradecka - too much effort. Than Brisbaine seems to be a good option to get some points. Hard to say, if Sydney should be chosen too. Next year I would recommend not to play Fed Cup (2 titles are enough and Lucie could show up against Stosur too).

Nice to hear that Kerber and Zakopalova will play. BTW, Zakopalova's match with Sharapova at Roland Garros was awesome, especially the first two sets. Klara resisted for three hours. :hearts:

Last year, Petra played doubles, because another Prostejov girl Petra Cetkovska (yes, the girl who is 4-0 versus Radwanska :devil:) was injured and Petra replaced her.

Excelscior
Dec 4th, 2012, 01:58 PM
Nice to hear that Kerber and Zakopalova will play. BTW, Zakopalova's match with Sharapova at Roland Garros was awesome, especially the first two sets. Klara resisted for three hours. :hearts:

Last year, Petra played doubles, because another Prostejov girl Petra Cetkovska (yes, the girl who is 4-0 versus Radwanska :devil:) was injured and Petra replaced her.

What in the world does this have to do with Petra and her own career????????? :eek: :oh: :eek:

Cernosek should show more respect, sensibility and clairvoyance of Petra's career and his role in it.

Who cares who wins it/this (Mr. Cernosek of course), if you put Petra at risk or beyond her anticipated training schedule or preparation? Remember, it's Pre Pre Pre season, and Petra doesn't even play much doubles. SMH.

PS: Just so you don't think I'm against all things Cernosek; I'm not. Keep in mind if Petra plays recreationally and doesn't tax herself beyond her current training schedule, I'm not necessarily against helping the team/a teammate out.

Unfortunately, that wasn't the case late last year/earlier this year. Petra went beyond her limits at the time and caught a nagging injury there. And the rest was 2012 history, for Petra.

Excelscior
Dec 4th, 2012, 02:12 PM
The Czech league incl. Safarova, Zakopalova, Kerber (played it last year and was defeated by Hradecka !!!), Hradecka (who def. Petra and Angelique !!! last year) can really be a great training for Petra. But again - she should watch out for her health (I come from Olomouc and winters are sometimes colder here). Therefore 2 sets matches (as quick as possible) are higly welcome..ha, ha. Pls. no that marathon with Hradecka again + doubles with Lucie against Benesova/Hradecka - too much effort. Than Brisbaine seems to be a good option to get some points. Hard to say, if Sydney should be chosen too. Next year I would recommend not to play Fed Cup (2 titles are enough and Lucie could show up against Stosur too).

You think you can ever talk to Petra (or convince Jiri to talk to Petra) to leave the Czech Republic or Prostojev for a warm weather climate so she won't have these potential issue anymore? :lol: :oh: :lol:

Remember, she got sick and caught a virus earlier this year when she was recuperating from the Achilles that she injured while playing Lucie H in that Czech League final. Those two occurrences really jacked/messed up the first five months of Petra's tennis season (creating a chain reaction) in 2012.

Plus she's not practicing on outdoor hard courts now for the upcoming outdoor hardcourt season.

Too much time spent indoors.

Petronius
Dec 4th, 2012, 04:18 PM
Plus she's not practicing on outdoor hard courts now for the upcoming outdoor hardcourt season. Too much time spent indoors.

Agreed, but this is about one's life priorities, work-family balance. Not everyone is a 'through-and-through' professional obsessed with improving their game and results like the great Ivan Lendl.

But agreed that Petra could learn a lot from Lendl's approach to tennis:

“Ivan was one of the first ones that lived tennis. He was the first one to have a special diet, he had his own entourage with a cook and a physio, and his own racket stringer. He did everything so professionally that playing tennis on the court was almost the easiest part. Ivan was always extremely disciplined and extremely focused, and I think that’s definitely going to help Andy.”

(Boris Becker commenting on the Lendl-Murray partnership shortly before Murray clinched Olympic Gold and his first slam)

Excelscior
Dec 4th, 2012, 04:33 PM
Agreed, but this is about one's life priorities, work-family balance. Not everyone is a 'through-and-through' professional obsessed with improving their game and results like the great Ivan Lendl.

But agreed that Petra could learn a lot from Lendl's approach to tennis:

“Ivan was one of the first ones that lived tennis. He was the first one to have a special diet, he had his own entourage with a cook and a physio, and his own racket stringer. He did everything so professionally that playing tennis on the court was almost the easiest part. Ivan was always extremely disciplined and extremely focused, and I think that’s definitely going to help Andy.”

(Boris Becker commenting on the Lendl-Murray partnership shortly before Murray clinched Olympic Gold and his first slam)

Yes, it's amazing that Two Czechs--one male one Female--in Ivan Lendl and Martina Navratilova "lived tennis" and brought so many off court innovations and trends, while Petra---not so much (as far as "Living Tennis" like them or in their spirit). :lol: :tape: :lol:

Petronius
Dec 4th, 2012, 05:44 PM
Yes, it's amazing that Two Czechs--one male one Female--in Ivan Lendl and Martina Navratilova "lived tennis" and brought so many off court innovations and trends, while Petra---not so much (as far as "Living Tennis" like them or in their spirit). :lol: :tape: :lol:

Hard to emulate these legends, if you don't have that inner drive to be the best and you don't want to work like crazy :lol:

BTW: Great and funny interview with Ivan, conducted by Patrick McEnroe and some other guy during Australian Open right after he took over as Murray's coach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxZjxwjiQrY

They introduced Lendl as Brad Gilbert's worst nightmare :haha:

Excelscior
Dec 4th, 2012, 07:37 PM
Hard to emulate these legends, if you don't have that inner drive to be the best and you don't want to work like crazy :lol:

BTW: Great and funny interview with Ivan, conducted by Patrick McEnroe and some other guy during Australian Open right after he took over as Murray's coach.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxZjxwjiQrY

They introduced Lendl as Brad Gilbert's worst nightmare :haha:

Yeah, I saw that when it was originally broadcasted. :lol:

honzaneumannn
Dec 4th, 2012, 08:05 PM
Nice to hear that Kerber and Zakopalova will play. BTW, Zakopalova's match with Sharapova at Roland Garros was awesome, especially the first two sets. Klara resisted for three hours. :hearts:

Last year, Petra played doubles, because another Prostejov girl Petra Cetkovska (yes, the girl who is 4-0 versus Radwanska :devil:) was injured and Petra replaced her.
All Czech girls are great against the Polish pusher Ag Rad (although she is a pusher with some brain and technical skills). Petra is 3:1, Lucie Hradecka 3:0 (all matches here in young categories), another Lucie Saf. 3:0 and Cetkovska 4:0 too - that is really interesting. Czech players appear to be a nightmare for Agniezska. She cannot compete with the Czech indoor power, thats the case.

honzaneumannn
Dec 4th, 2012, 08:07 PM
Zakopalova should play there this year too, but Kerber not this time (my comments concerned last year). Imagine the Czech league final with Angelique no. 5, Petra no. 8, Lucie no. 18 and Zakopalova about 25. Would be great I think, but Kerber shall not appear this year...

honzaneumannn
Dec 4th, 2012, 08:16 PM
Nice to hear that Kerber and Zakopalova will play. BTW, Zakopalova's match with Sharapova at Roland Garros was awesome, especially the first two sets. Klara resisted for three hours. :hearts:

Last year, Petra played doubles, because another Prostejov girl Petra Cetkovska (yes, the girl who is 4-0 versus Radwanska :devil:) was injured and Petra replaced her.
Was really unexpected last year, when Safarova and Kvitova won the Czech final double match against two 2011 Grand Slam doubles champions (Benesova - mixed Wimbledon with her husband Melzer, Hradecka with Hlavackova 2011 RG). Lucie Safarova was
the leader in that newly constructed double team with Kvity - nevertheless not so surprising considering Safarovas current successful runs with Pavlyuchenka in doubles in many 2012 tournaments. Otherwise - Pavlu and Kvity are the 2 fitness candidates despite Petras being not that fat. Petronius, I would like to meet you (I am near Kacerov, you seem to be located near Chodov..) because have no friend here in Prague I could discuss all those Petras issues. My phone is: 604 209 851 - you can send a message and we can arrange a date, if youre interested...

Petronius
Dec 4th, 2012, 10:44 PM
Petronius, I would like to meet you (I am near Kacerov, you seem to be located near Chodov..) because have no friend here in Prague I could discuss all those Petras issues. My phone is: 604 209 851 - you can send a message and we can arrange a date, if youre interested...

Great idea.

BTW, you live about ten minutes away :lol:

I'll give you a call or send you a message, hopefully tomorrow.

bruce goose
Dec 5th, 2012, 02:27 AM
All this talk about Lendl got me thinking about a TV commercial he did many years ago(can't recall for what product);to ME,he wasn't annoying but he lacked charisma in front of the camera and he came off as sort of dorky:lol:....so you all convinced me that he and Petra are somewhat similar in that respect.I can't say how confident Petra is when she's speaking Czech,yet I remember how some Rafa fans tried to rationalize some of his embarrassing press work,a few years back,by chalking all of it up to the language barrier...except Rafa isn't too eloquent in Spanish,either:lol:.....Maybe Petra is quite erudite in her native tongue(I wouldn't be the one to judge that);however,she had me hearkening back to her legendary countryman just now

Petronius
Dec 5th, 2012, 10:21 AM
All this talk about Lendl got me thinking about a TV commercial he did many years ago(can't recall for what product);to ME,he wasn't annoying but he lacked charisma in front of the camera and he came off as sort of dorky:lol:....so you all convinced me that he and Petra are somewhat similar in that respect.I can't say how confident Petra is when she's speaking Czech,yet I remember how some Rafa fans tried to rationalize some of his embarrassing press work,a few years back,by chalking all of it up to the language barrier...except Rafa isn't too eloquent in Spanish,either:lol:.....Maybe Petra is quite erudite in her native tongue(I wouldn't be the one to judge that);however,she had me hearkening back to her legendary countryman just now

Interesting post. My French uncle told me that in Paris, where Ivan won three French Opens, they referred to Lendl as a 'sad prince', because he would never smile, always focusing on tennis only. Something like Sampras :lol:

honzaneumannn
Dec 5th, 2012, 11:47 AM
Great idea.

BTW, you live about ten minutes away :lol:

I'll give you a call or send you a message, hopefully tomorrow.
As mentioned already, my phone no is 604 209 851, so you can send a message or call me to that phone, nice to hear you today or this evening, provided youre not busy a lot. Another fact is that I dont like discussions under tenisportal.cz so much - for example "Monty25"-contributions who always preferrs writting about his blond and tall model candidates such as Ana, Maria or Andrea Hlavackova incl. writting some poems about those which I consider a bit primitive - I like aggressive and attacking players and their look really does not mean so much for me - otherwise, Petras legs are really something (Maria or ultra slim Ivanovic cannot compete with her in that direction) - but this is only my external view and nothing essential. And because of a real lack of classic attacking and aggressive play in womens tennis now (slow surfaces that does not make it possible killing the ball, lack of power in some womens play - Agnieszka, Wozniacki or Errani are hot candidates), I like Petras game that much (when she is on..).

paulmara
Dec 5th, 2012, 12:05 PM
As mentioned already, my phone no is

Keep you privacy. Send him a private message.

paulmara
Dec 5th, 2012, 12:38 PM
new physio Kristián Bajza (former boyfriend of Lucie Šafářová)

http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitova-ma-noveho-kondicniho-trenera-dw0-/tenis.aspx?c=A121205_133506_tenis_ma

Slutiana
Dec 5th, 2012, 01:17 PM
So maybe jerriy was right, that Canadian PR lady is a waste of pay :lol:
No. It's off-season - we're barely hearing much from many players aside from those on social networks (something she probably needs to do more regularly). Rafa seems to have started to update his regularly out of pure boredom and Maria because she just likes talking about herself.

Katie is the reason why Petra has done things like blogging for Daily Mail and that Sky Sports thing. But Petra has to fulfil her side of the bargain by actually winning shit occasionally. :tape:

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 01:18 PM
new physio Kristián Bajza (former boyfriend of Lucie Šafářová)

http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitova-ma-noveho-kondicniho-trenera-dw0-/tenis.aspx?c=A121205_133506_tenis_ma

You got to be kidding me.

I didn't read the article, but I'm assuming he's another Cernosek pick?

What's up with these folks? Are they trying to be like some sort of inbred Tennis-Prostojev family or something?....

Petra dates Adam. Lucie Dates Tomas. Lucie dates the Pysio guy? SMH. At least Tomas broke the cycle by dating the model (though it's still corny, done all the time for a Tennis player to date one). :lol:

Unless she knows and I likes him, If I was Petra, I wouldn't want any Psysio that dated Lucie Safarova on General Principle alone. Now I know Petra may not had made/wanted this pick. :tape: Why him? :eek:

PS: And once again, Cernosek spends almost half a year on a search, just to ended picking someone in his Network. Why so long?

This wasn't no damn search, he already knew he wanted pick. And no I didn't research the guy, but if I was Petra I wouldn't want to work with a guy dated my teammate Safarova.

Maybe this guys a predator/vulture (don't know or care what age he is)? It just sounds so weird. Out of all the people I can pick in this world to work with me, and I pick Safarova's ex boyfriend. :scratch: :oh: :scratch:

Well, I'm assuming he's not an old geezer like the others. :oh: SMH

bruce goose
Dec 5th, 2012, 01:50 PM
You got to be kidding me.

I didn't read the article, but I'm assuming he's another Cernosek pick?

What's up with these folks? Are they trying to be like some sort of inbred Tennis-Prostojev family or something?....Well,technically,Petra's training co-ordinators,Gomer and Goober Pyle,are Americans...but they might have family roots that go back to Prostejov.Someone asked Gomer recently if he could trace his family ties back to Czechoslovakia,and he replied,'Well,golleeeee,I didn't never know 'dere was a place wid a name like dat!'

TimeyWimey
Dec 5th, 2012, 02:32 PM
new physio Kristián Bajza (former boyfriend of Lucie Šafářová)

http://sport.idnes.cz/kvitova-ma-noveho-kondicniho-trenera-dw0-/tenis.aspx?c=A121205_133506_tenis_ma

Lucie is single again ?! :angel:

TimeyWimey
Dec 5th, 2012, 02:34 PM
I finally did read the article. I know there maybe translation issues, etc., but Petra didn't seem excited or make sense at all.

This sounds so nutty (again) Bruce.

Unless you can say this is the best Pysio guy in all of the Czech Republic, why in the hell do I want a guy that used to date Lucie Safarova (unless Paulmara is wrong--which I'm confident he's not), for a multiple of reasons?

It just illustrates to me how his organization is run (cronies over competence or class).

How does Petra's father or (Gulp) Adam feel about this? And where's her Goddamn hitting Partner!? :fiery:

Maybe you can help me out with this? :help:

nothing would surprise me anymore considering what's been happening in the past year and half to Petra :lol:

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 02:54 PM
Well,technically,Petra's training co-ordinators,Gomer and Goober Pyle,are Americans...but they might have family roots that go back to Prostejov.Someone asked Gomer recently if he could trace his family ties back to Czechoslovakia,and he replied,'Well,golleeeee,I didn't never know 'dere was a place wid a name like dat!'

I finally did read the article. I know there maybe translation issues, etc., but Petra didn't seem excited or make sense at all. This sounds so nutty (again) Bruce.

Unless you can say this is the best Pysio guy in all of the Czech Republic, why in the hell do I want a guy that used to date Lucie Safarova (unless Paulmara is wrong--which I'm confident he's not), for a multiple of reasons? That's awkward. :unsure:

It just illustrates to me how his organization is run (cronies over competence or class for Cernosek Cash).

How does Petra's father or (Gulp) Adam feel about this? I know Jiri had a problem with Petra's first coach. I'm not sure if was just communication issues or something more sundry? :oh: And where's her Goddamn hitting Partner already!? :fiery:

Maybe you can help me out with this? :help:

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 03:02 PM
nothing would surprise me anymore considering what's been happening in the past year and half to Petra :lol:

I mean, is it just me Timey, or this sounds weird/strange (especially for such a long search)? I mean all you can come up with is a guy that was Lucie Safarova's ex boyfriend!? Talk about "Inbred" :eek:

What ever happened to, 'I pick My Own People'?

paulmara
Dec 5th, 2012, 03:14 PM
http://img.ahaonline.cz/img/18/full/1133070-img-lucie-safarova-kristian-bajza.jpg

Raiden
Dec 5th, 2012, 03:14 PM
As mentioned already, my phone no is 604 209 851.Careful w/ that shit dude. You may get inundated with phone calls from hacks like journalists (looking for a dirty Kvitty gossip). They'll all be calling you, pretending that they are Petronius :lol:

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 03:20 PM
http://img.ahaonline.cz/img/18/full/1133070-img-lucie-safarova-kristian-bajza.jpg

I'm not even going to comment on him (and that picture) regarding their relationship Paulmara. I'll keep it strictly tennis.

This is what's wrong with Cernosek's inbred formula for Petra (and why she needs to leave or exert more control as soon as possible), why in the hell would I want Safarova's former Pysio guy in the first place? Forget the dating aspect for a second. What has she ever done? Is that all you can come up with Milos? :help:

And if he didn't work with Safarova and just dated her (as I've discussed) that can be equally as bad and awkward. :unsure:

I guess Cernosek read us complain about Crusty Czech Cronies for Petra, so now he got her a Young Cernosek Crony. OK. :lol:

TimeyWimey
Dec 5th, 2012, 03:23 PM
I mean, is it just me Timey, or this sounds weird/strange (especially for such a long search)? I mean all you can come up with is a guy that was Lucie Safarova's ex boyfriend!? Talk about "Inbred" :eek:

What ever happened to, 'I pick My Own People'?

maybe that's why CR never reaches anything real big in professional tennis tour even though their potential is (maybe) second to none (if we put Russia and US aside just temporarily)

i'm not saying they are the sole nation plagued by such inexplicability, but for a tennis tradition this profound, it's really a sad thing

hopefully Petra would be an beautiful exception to that

Raiden
Dec 5th, 2012, 03:31 PM
What's up with these folks? Are they trying to be like some sort of inbred Tennis-Prostojev family or something?....

Petra dates Adam. Lucie Dates Tomas. Lucie dates the Pysio guy?You not only had me chucking - it also made me look at that place in a slightly different light: basically Prostojev is sorta like a dog breeding program, except that instead of dogs....[fill in the blanks].

Gosh, this gives the "pojd" interjection a whole new meaning
.

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 03:31 PM
maybe that's why CR never reaches anything real big in professional tennis tour even though their potential is (maybe) second to none (if we put Russia and US aside just temporarily)

i'm not saying they are the sole nation plagued by such inexplicability, but for a tennis tradition this profound, it's really a sad thing

hopefully Petra would be an beautiful exception to that

Well, both Ivan Lendl and Martina Navratilova did leave the Czech Republic when they achieved their best success.

I hate to bring his up, cause I wanted to keep this to myself and stay positive, especially with Petra's talent. However, since you brought up the topic with the Czech Republics tennis players, I'm going to say this now Timey.

I remember during the 2011 season, I was speaking to someone on GM here in Tennis Forum, and I told them that "Petra will be #1". After I did that person responded to me and said "Petra can never be #1, cause no recent European player has made #1 with out going to America".

I'll never forget that discussion Timey. And as much as I wanted to argue with him, when I thought about it, I realized that probably was the case for the women (maybe not the men, with Roger, Rafa and maybe Djokovic as current examples), and he may of been right. It really made me think. However, I kept it to myself and hoped for the best.

Though I still would not like to believe what that individual said, but maybe it's situations like this for Petra in the Czech Republic, is exactly what that poster (and you now) were talking about? :unsure:

Obviously, Petra doesn't have to go to America (or where ever) at this stage. Petra's already won her Lucky Slam. She just needs to have access to people outside of her small Czech, Crony Circle to maybe get the 2nd, third, etc, slam. The world should be open to her.


I don't think Martina, Lendl or Slozil are happy with Petra's people, coaching, management and career direction at the moment either (based off of their little public comments, and Martina's situation with the Czech tennis honcho's).

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 03:33 PM
You not only had me chucking - it also made me look at that place in a slightly different light: basically Prostojev is sorta like a dog breeding program, except that instead of dogs....[fill in the blanks].

This gives the "pojd" interjection a whole new meaning.

Bark Bark!! :lol: :eek: :lol:

I think just like with inbred dogs and human beings, those folks over their have gone plum loco and crazy now Raiden. :tape: :lol: :tape:

TimeyWimey
Dec 5th, 2012, 03:38 PM
Well, both Ivan Lendl and Martina Navratilova did leave the Czech Republic when they achieved their best success.

I hate to bring his up, cause I wanted to keep this to myself, but since brought up the topic with the Czech Republics tennis players, I'm going to say this now.

I remember during the 2011 season, I was speaking to someone on GM in Tennis Forum, and I told them that "Petra will be #1". After I did that person responded to me and said "Petra can never be #1, cause no recent European player has made #1 with out going to America". I'll never forget that discussion Timey. And as much as I wanted to argue with him, when I thought about it, that probably was the case for the women (maybe not the men, with Roger, Rafa and maybe Lendl as current examples), and he may of been right.

Though I would still not like to believe what that individual said, but maybe it's situations like this for Petra in the Czech Republic, is exactly what that poster was talking about? :unsure:


I don't think Martina, Lendl or Slozil are happy with Petra's people, coaching, management and career direction at the moment either.

that's basically what i was trying to say, if Petra ever had wanted her tennis ambition badly enough, the desire, she would have left CR already (at least for her tennis dream)

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 03:48 PM
that's basically what i was trying to say, if Petra ever had wanted her tennis ambition badly enough, the desire, she would have left CR already (at least for her tennis dream)

PS: I meant "Djokovic" instead of Lendl as "current examples" earlier.

Well, she's already won a major a YEC and came very close to #1. So imagine how well she would do, if she had access to the world best people, instead of only Cernoseks's (since she already skipped the American/European Academies and world Junior systems)?

I can't imagine, unless I knew and liked the person, if I was picking a Pysio guy for myself, why I would pick I guy that used to date my teammate. And of course (with all due respect to Lucie), we're talking about a guy that worked with one of the most frustrating and continually disappointing players on the WTA tour. So what is exactly there in the pick? :scratch: If I was Petra I would be insulted. But of course, Petra's too nice and complacent to ever feel like way.

Petra deserves much better than this. It's almost sad (or near criminally negligent). Sorry. This is just looks so ass backwards. :sad: :help: :sad:

Raiden
Dec 5th, 2012, 03:58 PM
Was the guy with Safarova while also working with her (as physio or in any other capacity) or were the two just only dating?

(I'm sure Adam wants to kno the answer to this question :oh:

ShiftyFella
Dec 5th, 2012, 04:03 PM
I don't get, i thought he was or is some wrestler when Kristian dated Lucie but now he is physio coach? or my info about being him 'wrestler' is wrong?

netphobia
Dec 5th, 2012, 04:03 PM
:facepalm:

Why, though?

(Also, re leaving the CR, I don't know that even someone who was very passionate about tennis would speak up to their team about leaving their beloved country. It seems more the type of thing that would have to be suggested by someone else in order for it to happen - and obviously nobody that Cernosek installs is going to do that.)

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 04:06 PM
I don't get, i thought he was or is some wrestler when Kristian dated Lucie but now he is physio coach? or my info about being him 'wrestler' is wrong?

Why can't a wrestler be a physio coach?

He can be both, especially after a failed wrestling career.

If this is the case, it just makes the pick even more worse than it looks. And that's just on the professional side.

On the personal side, if I'm Petra, why would I want someone that used to date Safarova? :facepalm:

Weird. :eek:

Like I said, Cernosek's organization is just one big INBRED MESS!!!

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 04:28 PM
Was the guy with Safarova while also working with her (as physio or in any other capacity) or were the two just only dating?

(I'm sure Adam wants to kno the answer to this question :oh:

Of course, we all thought about this as well. :lol: :oh: :lol:

But does it really matter? The fact that he can date Lucie Safarova (no matter how they met), means he could date Kvitova as well (in theory). Though Kvityy's younger, their still in the same relative age group.

And of course, if he started dating Safarova--after working with her, then this pick is even worse than it looks on the surface. It just doesn't look professional.

Also, remember these are all Protojev's foks; so they blur the lines of personal and professional, since they're around each other so often at times. Sometimes I joke--Cernosek encourages it, to keep them all in the fold. :lol:

These folks are just crazy. What ever happened to INDEPENDENCE!? :shrug:

ShiftyFella
Dec 5th, 2012, 04:29 PM
Why can't a wrestler be a physio coach?

He can be both, especially after a failed wrestling career.

If this is the case, it just makes the pick even more worse than it looks. And that's just on the professional side.

On the personal side, if I'm Petra, why would I want someone that used to date Safarova? :facepalm:

Weird. :eek:

Like I said, Cernosek's organization is just one big INBRED MESS!!!
I thought he was still "active" as a wrestler but now he's suddenly a physio coach? this part sounded strange to me, usually they take a break or something. I have no problem with who he dated before, since "sport world" is small and once upon a time you end up with someone on your team or dating who dated another person you know or was close friend. You missing the point about him being friend of Lucie, the point is that CR has small reach and failed to get more 'experienced guy' even if he is Czech, basically either CR keeping things to his people or he failed as a manager because he actually can't get more 'respectable' people to jump on Petra's wagon and that's why he goes with his pals.


btw, scrolled through article, yeah he was a wrestler, so my info was correct.

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 04:45 PM
I thought he was still "active" as a wrestler but now he's suddenly a physio coach? this part sounded strange to me, usually they take a break or something. I have no problem with who he dated before, since "sport world" is small and once upon a time you end up with someone on your team or dating who dated another person you know or was close friend. You missing the point about him being friend of Lucie, the point is that CR has small reach and failed to get more 'experienced guy' even if he is Czech, basically either CR keeping things to his people or he failed as a manager because he actually can't get more 'respectable' people to jump on Petra's wagon and that's why he goes with his pals.


btw, scrolled through article, yeah he was a wrestler, so my info was correct.


That was my point earlier Shifty.

I had said, "unless you're telling me he's the best Physio guy in the Czech Republic, why would I want someone that dated Safarova?"

Basically, what I was saying was, "once again, Cernosek picks someone from his group, rather than someone more qualified". Picking on the "Lucie Factor' just drives that point home, and makes it more strange and comedic (i.e. making fun, questioning or 'pouring salt on the wound'). :lol:

Don't worry, we were both saying the same thing. :yeah:

Saying, "if I was Petra, I wouldn't Pick him", was basically me saying that YOU KNOW PETRA DIDN'T MAKE THIS CHOICE. :tape:

Of course we know there should be other, broader choices outside the Cernosek circle within the Czech Republic or around the world/WTA-ATP circles, than a failed or retired wrestler. :facepalm:

ShiftyFella
Dec 5th, 2012, 04:57 PM
If he was Lucie's physio coach when they used to date, heck i'm fine with this cause Lucie is in perfect psychical shape but i have to admit, i was expecting more 'famous' name from Tennis circuit.


btw, part about Petra playing Sydney after Brisbane is 'worrying sign' only to me?

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 06:00 PM
If he was Lucie's physio coach when they used to date, heck i'm fine with this cause Lucie is in perfect psychical shape but i have to admit, i was expecting more 'famous' name from Tennis circuit.


btw, part about Petra playing Sydney after Brisbane is 'worrying sign' only to me?

I don't care what Lucie looked like (it could be all genetic by the way), her results were always bad to disappointing.

Plus, if we hold Lucie to the same standard so many of us do here for Petra; she obviously wasn't in very good condition because she plays an even more high risk game than Kvitova. Continuing with this logic, if Safarova was truly "in shape", she would know how to rally longer and wait for her opportunities, than make so many bone head decisions and plays.

Petra is much better than Safarova in this respect. So once again, having Safarova's Fitness guy is not really saying much. As a matter of fact, it's quite a disappointment, on any level.

As far as Sydney and Brisbane, I really didn't think about it much, cause I was still in shock, that this guy was all that Cernosek could come up with after such a long search. SMH

paulmara
Dec 5th, 2012, 06:01 PM
I don't get, i thought he was or is some wrestler when Kristian dated Lucie but now he is physio coach? or my info about being him 'wrestler' is wrong?

MMA fighter

paulmara
Dec 5th, 2012, 06:20 PM
OK, well at least this is an improvement (if he trained as an MMA fighter). :unsure:

I don´t know much. They said MMA and kung-fu. He is from Slovakia.

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 06:21 PM
MMA fighter

OK, well at least this is an improvement (if he trained as an MMA fighter). :unsure:

The REAL question maybe, is he a frustrated wrestler that all of a sudden decided to go and call himself MMA, or is he really an excellent trainer? :eek:

Remember, this guys was a fighter. Now all of a sudden he's a trainer of a young Grand Slam Champion tennis player? How long, how many tennis players has he trained, and how successful have they been--after he started working with them?

If this was someone outside of Cernosek's group, maybe I wouldn't make fun of it/wonder about it. But since it is; this all just seems so crazy and an extension of the rest of this crazy year for Petra. :help:

Excelscior
Dec 5th, 2012, 06:45 PM
I don´t know much. They said MMA and kung-fu. He is from Slovakia.

OK, he was a fighter, whether Kung Fu, Wrestling, etc. All those disciples (your background or foundation) can fall under MMA when you fight anyway. Maybe the guy can be good. I don't know.

One of my problems would be, how/why do you take months to choose a guy that you already knew in the first place--whose resume (unless I can be shown otherwise) is quite shaky to begin with? :eek:

Is this all Cernosek could come up with after such a long search? :shrug:

If I was Petra, I'd be pissed (unless they can show me how phenomenal this guy was) that Cernosek would choose a Lucie Retread for me. Could you ever see Vika, Masha, Serena or even Caro (when she was still # 1 and cared) choosing this guy?

Last year, Caro's father (and rightfully so) was supposedly interested in Ivanko, cause he took a overweight player, who slimmed down, won a Grand Slam and YEC, and almost became number one and made great strides in a short amount of time. That move would have made sense. Instead, Petra gets Lucie Safarova's left overs/sloppy seconds as her new fitness coach. SMH :banghead:

Petra should be choosing the best people (either for her or Period) available to her, not sheepishly accepting Cernosek Cronies like the Good Soldier or Comrade.