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Martian Jeza
Jun 30th, 2011, 10:15 PM
People will say that sport is a doped sport maybe but at the other side that sport is in some countries very popular and what's great at it : You don't have to spend a cent to watch your favorite cycling riders ! It's maybe the less expensive sport but what it annoys me a lot is the presence of Alberto Contador : He shouldn't be there at all and his thing that he's fighting against doping : that's the best joke of the year !


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KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 1st, 2011, 03:06 AM
the crowd booed Contador at the team presentations this week and cheered loudly for Andy Schleck

I guess we know who the crowd favourite will be!

I'm one of those people that believes about 97% of the field is doped in some capacity, so it ends up being an even playing field of the Tour de Dopage :lol:

Remix13
Jul 1st, 2011, 07:30 AM
I will follow the Tour de France like every year :)

I hope it will be more spectacular than last year (there was suspense but no actual spectacle in most case...). Contador and Schleck are huge favorites, I admit I prefer Contador as he is more an attacker than Schleck, they're both equally doped anyway...

The key is probably how Contador has recovered from the Giro as he is clearly the best at his top form for this kind of race.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 3rd, 2011, 02:29 AM
STAGE 1

WINNER- Philippe Gilbert (OMEGA PHARMA LOTTO)

GC Racers
C.Evans +00'03
J. Van Den Broek +00'06
F.Schleck +00'06
A.Schleck +00'06
L.Leipheimer +00'06
B.Wiggins +00'06
I.Basso +00'06
R.Gesink +00'06
S.Sanchez +01'20
A.Contador +01'20

Contador got mixed up into two crashes and has lost more than a minute to the other GC Racers :eek:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 3rd, 2011, 11:46 PM
I dont want to be the only one posting in this thread....

Remix13
Jul 4th, 2011, 07:23 AM
Apparently TF is not very enthusiastic about cycling :lol:

Yesterday Team Time Trial :

1 GARMIN-CERVELO (GRM) 24'48''
2 TEAM BMC RACING (BMC) +04''
3 SKY PROFESSIONAL CYCLING TEAM (SKY) s.t.
4 TEAM LEOPARD-TREK (LEO) s.t.
5 HTC-HIGHROAD (THR) +05''
6 TEAM RADIOSHACK (RSH) +10''
7 RABOBANK (RAB) +12''
8 SAXO BANK SUNGARD (SBS) +28''
9 ASTANA (AST) +32''
10 OMEGA PHARMA-LOTTO (OLO) +39''

Contador is now 1'41 behind Evans and 1'38 behind Schleck. What a bad start for him, he looked quite depressed and resigned in an interview on French TV yesterday evening :tape:

I hope he won't give up and be unleashed in the Pyrénées :devil:

Today flat stage, Cavendish huge favorite.

The Crow
Jul 4th, 2011, 07:45 AM
Well done by Philippe Gilbert in the first stage. He's getting a bit cocky though :tape:

It's a good thing that Contador's behind. Now we will see if he's really that great. He will have to attack in the mountains now, could be exciting.

But first some more flat stages. Hopefully, Andy won't mess up as well in one of them ;)

Frode
Jul 4th, 2011, 08:07 AM
Thor in yellow:D

Probably not for long though;)

Remix13
Jul 4th, 2011, 08:23 AM
Thor in yellow:D

Probably not for long though;)

He will probably keep the yellow jersey until tomorrow. I don't know if he could keep it then with the tough finish in Mûr-de-Bretagne.

Adrian.
Jul 4th, 2011, 03:43 PM
:no:

Remix13
Jul 4th, 2011, 04:10 PM
Tyler Farrar won on 4th July, great ;)

Martian Jeza
Jul 4th, 2011, 05:18 PM
Epic sprint but HTC took the wrong tactics they went on way too early at my opinion and at the crucial moment, Cavendish was all alone with no teammates left ! But it proves that Cavendish can be beaten in sprints that he isn't as invicible as he may think !

About Gilbert being cocky : Cavendish also is very cocky telling everyone he's the best and his opponents are nothing worth !

Nice gesture of Tyler Farrar where he dedicated his victory to his best friend Wouter Weylandt ! Tomorrow it should be a stage for Phillipe Gilbert : Fingers crossed !

Martian Jeza
Jul 4th, 2011, 05:19 PM
:no:

:confused:

Adrian.
Jul 4th, 2011, 05:36 PM
Don't like all the doped "sportsmen". :no:

This sport died for me a long time aga :[

Martian Jeza
Jul 4th, 2011, 05:46 PM
Don't like all the doped "sportsmen". :no:

This sport died for me a long time aga :[

You have doping everywhere chaps even in tennis !

postalblowfish
Jul 4th, 2011, 08:01 PM
I really don't agree with Cav and Thor having their intermediate sprint points taken off for what seemed like a fairly minor incident.

Uphill finish tomorrow, I think. Could change things round a bit.

Adrian.
Jul 4th, 2011, 08:51 PM
Well, you won't tell me that we have as much doping in tennis as in cycling, will you? :unsure::oh:

hablo
Jul 4th, 2011, 11:42 PM
Epic sprint but HTC took the wrong tactics they went on way too early at my opinion and at the crucial moment, Cavendish was all alone with no teammates left ! But it proves that Cavendish can be beaten in sprints that he isn't as invicible as he may think !

About Gilbert being cocky : Cavendish also is very cocky telling everyone he's the best and his opponents are nothing worth !

Nice gesture of Tyler Farrar where he dedicated his victory to his best friend Wouter Weylandt ! Tomorrow it should be a stage for Phillipe Gilbert : Fingers crossed !
Yeah, Cavendish is very cocky. Can't stand him. :help:


Well done by Philippe Gilbert in the first stage. He's getting a bit cocky though :tape:

It's a good thing that Contador's behind. Now we will see if he's really that great. He will have to attack in the mountains now, could be exciting.

But first some more flat stages. Hopefully, Andy won't mess up as well in one of them ;)

It definitely makes the race more exciting now: he's forced to attack and take more chances! :bounce:

I hope Andy can win. Don't put any faith in Evans. :tape:

(Hope Hesjedal can do better than last time too. :bolt: )

Martian Jeza
Jul 4th, 2011, 11:47 PM
Well, you won't tell me that we have as much doping in tennis as in cycling, will you? :unsure::oh:

There's doping everywhere, I tell it to you but cycling is so much under control that you have much more doping cases than in any other sports, do you get it ? But at least cycling is a free sport and popular sport around the world ! DO you have to buy a ticket to admire your cycling "idols" ? NO !

Bieselke
Jul 5th, 2011, 07:18 AM
Well, you won't tell me that we have as much doping in tennis as in cycling, will you? :unsure::oh:

Athletics and cycling are for sure much more controlled sports. I think if they would apply the checks that happen in cycling and athletics, a lot of people from other sports (football,, tennis) would be in for a nasty surprise for sure. Besides cycling has gotten much cleaner the past years, but I guess it's easier to take the moral high ground and close your eyes afterwards. There will be for sure still be abuse ongoing though, I m not naive.

Today Mur de Bretagne: Let's go Philippe!

Remix13
Jul 5th, 2011, 07:43 AM
Philippe Gilbert huge favorite today (yesterday I said the same thing about Cavendish and he totally missed his sprint :lol:)

Do you think Contador could attack today to grind a few seconds ?

Bieselke
Jul 5th, 2011, 08:34 AM
Don't think so, the climb is too short for him to put other favourites behind him. I expect him to wait to the real mountainstages.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 5th, 2011, 01:40 PM
I don't think Cavendish gives a crap about the green jersey, every time he knows he won't win the sprint, he stops and lets 2-4 riders pass him.

Martian Jeza
Jul 5th, 2011, 01:54 PM
Cavendish isn't at his best : missed completely the supersprit today ! With Farrar winning the supersprint of the pack !

Remix13
Jul 6th, 2011, 06:59 AM
Yesterday at Mûr de Bretagne :

1 C.EVANS (BMC) 4h11'39''
2 A.CONTADOR (SBS) s.t.
3 A.VINOKOUROV (AST) s.t.
4 R.URAN (SKY) s.t.
5 P.GILBERT (OLO) s.t.
6 T.HUSHOVD (GRM) s.t.
7 F.SCHLECK (LEO) s.t.
8 S.SANCHEZ (EUS) s.t.
9 J.VAN DEN BROECK (OLO) s.t.
10 A.KLÖDEN (RSH) s.t.
11 B.WIGGINS (SKY) 06''
13 I.BASSO (LIQ) s.t.
14 D.CUNEGO (LAM) 08''
15 R.KREUZIGER (AST) s.t.
16 C.HORNER (RSH) s.t.
17 R.GESINK (RAB) s.t.
19 R.HESJEDAL (GRM) s.t.
20 L.LEIPHEIMER (RSH) s.t.
21 T.MARTIN (THR) s.t.
23 A.SCHLECK (LEO) s.t.

Nice win for Evans, it was really close between him and Contador ! Gilbert was not as aerial as usual in this sort of finish. Other favorites like A.Schleck, Leipheimer or Gesink for example lost 8"

Today it's a flat stage but the wind could have its importance, leaders must be careful.

postalblowfish
Jul 6th, 2011, 07:14 AM
Hushovd did brilliantly to keep yellow.

Remix13
Jul 6th, 2011, 07:27 AM
Hushovd did brilliantly to keep yellow.

Yes I forgot to mention it, yellow jersey gave wings to Hushovd yesterday :worship:

Now he could keep it until Saturday (Super Besse stage probably too hard).

Martian Jeza
Jul 6th, 2011, 10:34 PM
What a crazy stage it was yesterday : loads of crashes : Gessink, Popovic, Boonen for example badly injured but they'll both start tomorrow for the 6th stage ! A motorcycle brought down Nicki Sörensen bike and the motorcycle rider had the bike of Sörensen attached to his motorcycle : I've never seen that of my life ! The organizers of the tour didn't like at all his behavior and sent him packing back home !

Cavendish won the sprint of the 5th stage but Phillipe Gilbert was close to beat him : that's a great performance from the King of the Classics ! This stage wasn't boring at all ! Loads of drama !

Boonen could finish the race in time with well 13'00" or a bit more behind the pack but all is good for him because we feared he had something broken but thx god nothing broken at his side just some nasty injuries ! He has to be very careful the next days !

Hushovd stays in Yellow, Gilbert takes the green because Boonen and the leader of the points ranking got disqualified because of unregular sprint at the supersprint which often is at the middle of the stage !

Tomorrow the longest stage of the tour : Dinan - Lisieux but the arrival isn't made for the pure sprinters ! Maybe Gilbert ? We'll see !

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 7th, 2011, 02:34 AM
That was an eventful stage to say the least.

The most bizarre one was the Sorenson crash with the motorcycle!

Gilbert has been a revelation to me this year. I'm a casual fan(i only watch the big tours) and I haven't really heard of him before. He's shown he's an average/good climber and a good sprinter as well. :eek:

Remix13
Jul 7th, 2011, 07:49 AM
Gilbert has been a revelation to me this year. I'm a casual fan(i only watch the big tours) and I haven't really heard of him before. He's shown he's an average/good climber and a good sprinter as well. :eek:

Philippe Gilbert was considered as a potential great cyclist when he was in the "Française des Jeux" Team until 2008. Then he joined the "Silence Lotto" (now OmegaPharma Lotto) Team and he started winning big classic events (let's say Master 1000 of cycling ;)):

-Giro di Lombardia, Paris-Tour, a stage of Giro d'Italia in 2009
-Giro di Lombardia, Amstel Gold Race, 2 stages in Spanish Vuelta in 2010
He made also lots of podiums in prestigious spring classics like Ronde van Vlaanderen, Liege-Bastogne-Liege for example.

This year he really peaked, realising 3 amazing successive wins in Amstel-Flèche Wallone-LBL week (only Davide Rebellin did that before). He also won the Tour de Belgique, Belgian Championship, 1 stage (for now) in the Tour de France and other minor races.

He is now considered as the best "classics specialist" in today cyclism :)

bulava
Jul 7th, 2011, 07:57 AM
I'm a huge Cycling lover because I'm a Racing fan :) Well, I was fortunate enough to visit France (twice) during the Lance Armstrong days. Le Tour is an unique event, probably toughest on the planet (endurance), and most beautiful because it through multiple countries. In my experience, no event (in MotoGP/F1/Tennis etc) is on par with either Le Tour or Giro. Yet to watch 'Vuelta' being there in Spain so I can't say anything about it...anyone, Espanol, inputs please.

You have doping everywhere chaps even in tennis !
I agree. Lot of 'dirty' Tennis news goes unnoticed.

It looks like Contador won't win this one so I'm looking for couple of contenders like Schleck brothers, Evans, Millar et al. It would also be interesting to watch the fight for 'Green' between Thor vs Mark :cool: I don't know why Fabian Cancellara is lagging so much, quite surprised with his miss in the 1st Time Trail (stage 2) :confused:

The Crow
Jul 7th, 2011, 08:40 AM
Gilbert has to be careful with his team though. First he went after Van Den Broeck on tuesday and yesterday he was supposed to be riding for Greipel. Not good for the team spirit...

Super Dave
Jul 7th, 2011, 01:15 PM
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The Crow
Jul 7th, 2011, 04:12 PM
Great song, Dave!

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 7th, 2011, 08:27 PM
Tomorrow will be boring until the sprint finish, then we finally get some mountains on Saturday :hearts:

Break My Rapture
Jul 7th, 2011, 09:00 PM
Cycling is always boring before the sprint finish.

Actually, I don't get how people can watch it so much. Frankly, it's just a bunch of people riding a bicycle. But to each their own I guess.

hablo
Jul 7th, 2011, 11:52 PM
Can't wait for the mountain stages!! :bounce:

I'm glad that Cavendish hasn't been dominant in the sprint stages... :o

Remix13
Jul 8th, 2011, 06:28 AM
Yesterday great victory for the norvegian rising star Edvald Boasson-Hagen (SKY) in Lisieux. He outpaced Goss and Hushovd. Thor Hushovd remains in yellow, good Tour de France for Norway :worship:

Note that Leipheimer lost about 1' because of a fall.

Today totally flat stage, good opportunity for Cavendish and Farrar (hopefully Cavendish won't win :lol:).

Sander.
Jul 8th, 2011, 08:34 AM
Didn't know there's a Tour de France thread :inlove:

Today an easy stage for Cav.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 8th, 2011, 03:18 PM
there has just been a crash.
Bradley Wiggins is out of the tour from 6th place overall. :(
Tom Boonen abandoned earlier in the day.

bulava
Jul 8th, 2011, 04:34 PM
Mark Cavendish won the 7th stage. Win #2 :)
How stages you guy think he might win? 5/6/7?

postalblowfish
Jul 8th, 2011, 07:21 PM
How stages you guy think he might win? 5/6/7?

Depends what the terrain is like on them, really.

Be nice to have a flat-ish stage with a breakaway making it to the finish ahead of the peloton at least once this Tour, I think.

HenryMag.
Jul 9th, 2011, 03:08 PM
Portuguese win today :bounce:

What a shame the last km wasn't shown on tv, they kept showing Contador and Andy, but at least they showed the last 50m with Rui Costa winning :D :D :D

Nice attack in the end by Gilbert to get the 2nd place and some points for the green jersey.

Remix13
Jul 9th, 2011, 04:49 PM
Unexpected win of Rui Costa. Congrats to him :worship:

Gesink lost a few seconds but he keeps his white jersey.

Impressive Hushovd who is still in yellow :worship:

Tomorrow another hilly stage, can't tell who will win :confused:

King Halep
Jul 9th, 2011, 06:44 PM
This has been the most interesting first week I can remember because of the hilly finishes and people are still complaining its boring

Remix13
Jul 9th, 2011, 07:49 PM
This has been the most interesting first week I can remember because of the hilly finishes and people are still complaining its boring

Indeed, I've been following the Tour de France for years and this first week is clearly one of the most interesting :)

Hopefully the rest of the Tour will be the same ;)

wta_zuperfann
Jul 10th, 2011, 04:16 AM
Clearly, this has NOT been a boring TDF. I have been upset over the fact that there have been some needless collisions because some of the racers will not give an inch of margin to their opponents. But things appear to have been settled now and it appears the racers will be more observing of the sport's usual protocols.

And speaking of protocols, it remains a disappointment that Contador sped by Schleck when his bike was distressed late in last year's Tour. The usual course was to respect the Yellow Jersey and to signal a slow down until it reached its proper position before the distress. But Contador did not respect that and the other racers were forced to follow his bad example. This may be one of the reasons why the crowd booed him at the Tour's start.

King Halep
Jul 10th, 2011, 08:59 AM
^ Haha nice you like a bit of controversy. Actually, Schleck's chain came off when he was making an attack. The others were responding to it, what are they supposed to do, stop and look around. Anyway, AC was so enhanced noone could have outridden him, that incident would not have changed the overall result.

Burisleif
Jul 10th, 2011, 11:05 AM
^^ I think Andy more than made up for any supposed etiquette breech last year in stage one this year...

Today seems like an ideal break away day, It will be interesting to see if Thor can keep his Jersey or extend his lead. Alas I don't see much happening in the main battle of the GC contenders unless there is yet another crazy crash or two, but the green and polka dot competitions should see some action. :)

Burisleif
Jul 10th, 2011, 03:24 PM
Crazy crashes again :(

Katusha take out Alberto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwviTmZZSlk)

Vino (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO46yggyDK0)

TV Car destroys the breakaway Flecha felled, and Hoogerland shredded. (http://ewoud.home.xs4all.nl/cycling/20110710_tourdefrance_carcrash.html)

postalblowfish
Jul 10th, 2011, 04:12 PM
Wonder why there are so many crashes this year.

The Crow
Jul 10th, 2011, 04:26 PM
Alberto with the Katusha guy (who is it?), what was that about? :confused:

Jurgen VDB :sad:

The Crow
Jul 10th, 2011, 04:27 PM
Alberto with the Katusha guy (who is it?), what was that about? :confused:



It was Karpets apparently.

cynicole
Jul 10th, 2011, 05:56 PM
I guess they let anyone in France get a drivers' license. First Nicki Sorensen gets caught up with a motorbike, then a car knocks down Flecha and throws Hoogerland into a fence.

Shame about Vino and VDB. At least there will be less reported b!tch!ng from Omega Pharma Lotto.

Today was the first day that the disappointing crashes destroyed any enjoyment I could derive from the stage. And I like Voeckler.

The Crow
Jul 10th, 2011, 06:36 PM
Johnny crying on the podium :sad: :awww:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 10th, 2011, 06:46 PM
This has been so cwazy!!

This should be renamed to Le Tour de Crash


That tv car will obviously be disqualified from driving during the race. That was absolutely disgusting and ridiculous! Poor Johnny and Juan :hug:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 10th, 2011, 06:59 PM
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Adrian.
Jul 10th, 2011, 07:50 PM
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OMG :facepalm:

Who was the guy landing in the fence? :scared:
Is he ok? :tears:

The Crow
Jul 10th, 2011, 07:57 PM
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OMG :facepalm:

Who was the guy landing in the fence? :scared:
Is he ok? :tears:

Johnny Hoogerland, he has the polka jersey. He has cutting wounds and he said he was going to the hospital right after the ceremony for his jersey. He was crying throughout that ceremony.

Adrian.
Jul 10th, 2011, 08:00 PM
OMG, he kept on cycling? :eek::speakles:

The Crow
Jul 10th, 2011, 08:18 PM
Yes. Blood was dripping from his legs. Not a pretty sight.

Remix13
Jul 11th, 2011, 07:07 AM
Indeed terrible stage yesterday as crashes are concerned :(

Vinokourov got his femur broken, his career is probably finished now after such an injury, so sad :sad:, I really like this cyclist with aggressive spirit. Van Den Broeck got his scapula broken, Zabriskie his wrist... And of course Flecha and Hoogerland have been severly injured because of this stupid driver. Hopefully they could be at the start on Tuesday but I doubt...

Anyway nice win of L.L. Sanchez, and yellow jersey for Voeckler :), who is probably the most popular cyclist here in France :cheer:

Today resting day, they really deserve it this year !

bulava
Jul 11th, 2011, 03:10 PM
I guess they let anyone in France get a drivers' license.


Not really, legal age there is 18 years whereas in the US it's not that difficult to get one (age varies across States). In my experience, it was really a beautiful country to drive and so sublime... :)

Wonder why there are so many crashes this year.

There were so many crashes in the last year tour too. Remember those Cobblestone roads? It was so scary to watch :eek:

Martian Jeza
Jul 12th, 2011, 12:00 AM
The 1st doping case is a fact : Kolobnev ( Katusha ) caught with doping : got fired by his team and got sent off of the Tour de France ! Here we go !

Remix13
Jul 12th, 2011, 06:23 AM
The 1st doping case is a fact : Kolobnev ( Katusha ) caught with doping : got fired by his team and got sent off of the Tour de France ! Here we go !

This will never stop :fiery: :mad:

Drimal
Jul 12th, 2011, 07:15 AM
Both Schleck brothers inside top 5. Allez! :cheer:

Sander.
Jul 12th, 2011, 10:27 AM
Hopefully Hoogerland will be fine today and won't stop. That would be so sad.

bulava
Jul 12th, 2011, 11:45 AM
Both Schleck brothers inside top 5. Allez! :cheer:
One of them is most likely to win Le Tour this year :)

Remix13
Jul 13th, 2011, 06:31 AM
Yesterday, massive sprint. Greipel overpowered Cavendish :D

No changes concerning the jerseys, Voeckler in yellow, Gilbert in green, Hoogerland with red dots (great he did finish :worship:) and Gesink in white.

Today last flat stage before real mountains :)

Remix13
Jul 13th, 2011, 03:09 PM
Cavendish won today, it was expected. He has green jersey now as Gilbert was not in the sprint.

Tomorrow first mountain stage with finish in Luz-Ardiden. Serious things are starting :)

Has Contador recovered from his falls ?
If yes, Is he going to distance Evans and Schleck ?
Could another guy surprise these 3 ?
Is Voeckler going to keep his yellow jersey ?
.
.
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Or will it be a boring mountain stage with attacks only in last 2km :facepalm:

bulava
Jul 13th, 2011, 04:43 PM
^I believe Contador has less chances this year. Voeckler has history with the 'Yellow' but what happened to Thor Hushovd? I thought he would lay his hands firmly on the 'Green' so Cavendish now has better chances to retain it?

Sander.
Jul 14th, 2011, 12:48 PM
Hoogerland is attacking again :hearts:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 14th, 2011, 03:37 PM
Contador has lost even more time today after Frank Schleck launched a successful attack and has put himself into 2nd place.
Cadel is looking great thus far.
Voeckler keeps his yellow jersey again today as he fought to stay with the leaders.

I was expecting more drama but I expect that to come soon. Today was just the first day of the high mountains.

The Crow
Jul 14th, 2011, 09:28 PM
Voeckler impressed me today!

Remix13
Jul 15th, 2011, 11:07 AM
Voeckler impressed me today!

Thomas Voeckler :worship:

Basso and Evans did good, Contador shew some weakness, Schleck borthers should have atacked sooner.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 16th, 2011, 02:23 AM
The pessimist side in me wonders how in the world Hushovd (a sprinter) got over the mountain in the top 3.

King Halep
Jul 16th, 2011, 02:25 AM
same way a classics rider like Armstrong 'became' the best climber in the world

King Halep
Jul 16th, 2011, 02:34 AM
Stg 14 we have to see the fireworks. If Schlock is going to win, he has to make a decisive move in this stage and bury Contraband. Never seen the Schlock patented double attack ever do much, so it has to work this time. Basso is the other contender, he seems to be in good form despite all the rumours before.

postalblowfish
Jul 16th, 2011, 07:20 AM
Cadel Evans is still right up there, and he's been showing good form.

Dunno if Voeckler will stay in yellow after today but I expect he'll give it a good go.

bulava
Jul 16th, 2011, 09:33 AM
^True. Evans is placed in 3rd position after Frank Schleck. Considering his age, am impressed with his competitiveness. He reminds me of an acclaimed German rider during Lance Armstrong days...Jan Ullrich :)

The Crow
Jul 16th, 2011, 11:28 PM
Vanendert :eek: :eek: :bounce:

Schlecks not good enough? I expected more.

King Halep
Jul 17th, 2011, 08:08 AM
juliagoerges (http://twitter.com/Julia Goerges)

Come on guys make it interesting please...somebody REALLY attack... And hopefully the schleck brothers



juliagoerges (http://twitter.com/Julia Goerges)

So boring guys and i dont understand why nobody really attacked....
16 hours ago


:lol: :lol: :worship: :worship:

King Halep
Jul 17th, 2011, 08:12 AM
Either Andy is saving it all for a huge attack on final day like with Tourmalet last year, or he does not have the power atm to get away from them. I prefer to think he is trying to repeat last year's tactics, although it did not work well.

Sander.
Jul 17th, 2011, 12:05 PM
Vanendert :eek: :eek: :bounce:

Schlecks not good enough? I expected more.

Fränk couldn't follow if Andy would have attacked, that was the reason :tape: A bad reason in my opinion, because they won't win the Tour if they don't attack.

bulava
Jul 18th, 2011, 09:30 AM
Fränk couldn't follow if Andy would have attacked, that was the reason :tape: A bad reason in my opinion, because they won't win the Tour if they don't attack.
I'm sure they will :) It would be more interesting to watch who makes the first attack; such a scenario won't be a good news for Evans because he may not sustain in prolonged attacks. But there are Sanchez, Basso, Contador et al :eek:

hablo
Jul 18th, 2011, 11:38 PM
Go Andy Schleck! :fiery:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 19th, 2011, 02:17 AM
JERSEYS
Yellow Thomas VOECKLER
Green Mark CAVENDISH
Polka Dot Jelle VANENDERT
White Rigoberto URAN

STANDINGS
01- T.VOECKLER 65h 24'34
02- F.SCHLECK +01'49
03- C.EVANS +02'06
04- A.SCHLECK +02'15
05- I.BASSO +03'16
06- S.SANCHEZ +03'44
07- A.CONTADOR +04'00
08- D.CUNEGO +04'01
09- T.DANIELSON +05'46
10- K.DE WEERT +06'18

gentenaire
Jul 19th, 2011, 07:03 AM
Well, you won't tell me that we have as much doping in tennis as in cycling, will you? :unsure::oh:

A tennis player can pretty much dope as much as (s)he wants with zero chance of getting caught (they'd have to be extremely stupid to get caught).
We'll never know how widespread doping is, considering they can't be bothered with actually checking properly. No wonder, we don't want the clean image of the sport to be tainted by doping cases, now do we?

I'm sick of cycling getting all this criticism for being the only sport out there that's actually taking the fight against doping seriously. I trust a sport where dopers actually get caught far more than multi billion sports (*cough* football *cough*) that hardly get any positive doping cases at all. A sport in which the best athlete grew up on growth hormones, a sport where no one bats an eye when reporters casually mention that Zidane would go to Switzerland for new blood.

And what about all those big American sports, hockey, baseball, American football, etc. None of these leagues have signed the WADA protocol. They're not checking for doping at all!!!

hablo
Jul 19th, 2011, 03:04 PM
A tennis player can pretty much dope as much as (s)he wants with zero chance of getting caught (they'd have to be extremely stupid to get caught).
We'll never know how widespread doping is, considering they can't be bothered with actually checking properly. No wonder, we don't want the clean image of the sport to be tainted by doping cases, now do we? I'm sick of cycling getting all this criticism for being the only sport out there that's actually taking the fight against doping seriously. I trust a sport where dopers actually get caught far more than multi billion sports (*cough* football *cough*) that hardly get any positive doping cases at all. A sport in which the best athlete grew up on growth hormones, a sport where no one bats an eye when reporters casually mention that Zidane would go to Switzerland for new blood. And what about all those big American sports, hockey, baseball, American football, etc. None of these leagues have signed the WADA protocol. They're not checking for doping at all!!!

I totally agree with your post. The reason why more cyclists get caught is because it's easier for them to get caught than say sports like tennis, hockey, football, for instance, where testing is a joke! :help:

Schleck... so disappointing... :o:haha:

Well done, Hesjedal and Hushovd!! Can't wait to see this at home. :bounce: For all my criticism of Contador, at least when he attacks, he attacks... :lol:

Remix13
Jul 19th, 2011, 03:53 PM
Another nice win of Thor Hushovd, he is really a great champion :worship:

I'm glad Contador attacked :D, hopefully he will be even better in Galibier and Alpe d'Huez, he will need it because Evans is actually very strong ;)

Ridiculous Andy Schleck, when you have nearly no tactical abilities and you are a poor downhiller, you don't deserve to win the Tour de France ;), but one never knows, Schleck brothers will maybe attack for real in the Alps, but I don't think so :lol:

bulava
Jul 19th, 2011, 04:13 PM
I'm sick of cycling getting all this criticism for being the only sport out there that's actually taking the fight against doping seriously.
I do completely agree with you. There has been too much negative media attention/coverage on the Cycling as if it's the only sport which got affected by doping scandals :rolleyes: IMO, there's hardly any event which could rival the excitement and fun of Giro or Le Tour or Vuelta :hearts:

Anyway, am happy for the big Thor's stage win. Well done :)
Evans and Schleck brothers are holding it up nicely, and Contador reduced his time gap too :eek:

edificio
Jul 19th, 2011, 09:32 PM
Is Contador going to eke out a win? No!!!!!!!!!

Burisleif
Jul 20th, 2011, 01:43 AM
Nice move by Saxo Bank today...

Good to see that Bjarne replaced whinging know it all PR nightmare that ignores tactical calls, with a rider that knows how to win and follows tactical advice. :devil:

Yes Andy, we like races decided on a descent or anywhere else on the route, by riders that actually like to race...

Classic headline of the day:

"Thor de France" :D World Champion doing the shirt proud...

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 20th, 2011, 01:56 AM
The Schlecks look like they can't compete with the accelerations of Contador, just like last year.

It might be a Contador vs. Evans fight this week.
Evans has a 01'57 lead over Contador.
Voeckler is hanging in there, I give him 2 more days, tops in yellow though.

Martian Jeza
Jul 20th, 2011, 01:57 AM
2 stages wins is better than the last 3 years but as Belgian I'm disappointed : Gilbert : so many stages written for him : He only got 1 : the first stage of the TDF after that he couldn't stop of disappointing and being "happy" only with places in the top 10 ! And the surprising Vanendert ! Why a cycling nation like Belgium should roll over against non cycling nations like Great Britain or Norway ? How can a big fat guy climb like Hushovd ? I've huge questions about him ! Will that cry baby like Cavendish cry when he'll get again his usual 5 stages wins at the end of Le Tour ? ARROGANT AND IDIOT ! Why does Boonen have so much bad luck and Cavendish not ? But Cavendish has the luck he has a very good "train" otherwise he's easily beatable ! Beside ridding 400 metres very good : he's like a tourist rider !

Gilbert, you are the best classics rider in the world but you are not the best stage winners at tours level like Le Tour de France !

I don't want Cavendish breaking the record of Merckx about stages wins it would be an insult towards the best cycling rider ever !

Now as Belgian I don't expect anymore but our 2 stages wins ! At my side, the Tour already is OVER !

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 20th, 2011, 03:01 AM
2 stages wins is better than the last 3 years but as Belgian I'm disappointed : Gilbert : so many stages written for him : He only got 1 : the first stage of the TDF after that he couldn't stop of disappointing and being "happy" only with places in the top 10 ! And the surprising Vanendert ! Why a cycling nation like Belgium should roll over against non cycling nations like Great Britain or Norway ? How can a big fat guy climb like Hushovd ? I've huge questions about him ! Will that cry baby like Cavendish cry when he'll get again his usual 5 stages wins at the end of Le Tour ? ARROGANT AND IDIOT ! Why does Boonen have so much bad luck and Cavendish not ? But Cavendish has the luck he has a very good "train" otherwise he's easily beatable ! Beside ridding 400 metres very good : he's like a tourist rider !

Gilbert, you are the best classics rider in the world but you are not the best stage winners at tours level like Le Tour de France !

I don't want Cavendish breaking the record of Merckx about stages wins it would be an insult towards the best cycling rider ever !

Now as Belgian I don't expect anymore but our 2 stages wins ! At my side, the Tour already is OVER !


you need to calm down....

The Crow
Jul 20th, 2011, 10:38 AM
lol Jeza. It was 30 years ago that a Belgian won an actual mountain stage, and you are disappointed? :lol: And there has been too much fuss about Gilbert before the start of the Tour anyway. One stage win in the Tour is not bad at all for an expert in the classics.

I hate Cavendish, but he deserves the stage wins. He's clearly the best sprinter.

Schlecks should have attacked in the Pyrenees. Serves them right for being chickens like that.

Martian Jeza
Jul 20th, 2011, 11:36 AM
Well, as Belgian I LOVE when Belgians win stages ! But hey that's better than the last 2 years where we won nothing ! But hey !

gentenaire
Jul 20th, 2011, 03:17 PM
The reason Gilbert isn't winning any more stages is because he's too high in the green jersey rankings.

gentenaire
Jul 20th, 2011, 03:22 PM
Ridiculous Andy Schleck, when you have nearly no tactical abilities and you are a poor downhiller, you don't deserve to win the Tour de France ;), but one never knows, Schleck brothers will maybe attack for real in the Alps, but I don't think so :lol:

Andy has a point though. The tour shouldn't be decided on a downhill, shouldn't be decided on who's willing to risk his life to win and who isn't. The Schlecks buried a teammate two months ago, who died on a descent. It's no joking matter.

Today's descent especially was very dangerous, I'm glad all the GC riders managed to keep up (with the exception of Voeckler). And a good thing it wasn't raining.

But I'm with you, the Schlecks have to attack if they want to win the tour...but on the climbs.

Remix13
Jul 20th, 2011, 04:19 PM
Another nice Norvegian win today by Boasson Hagen :worship:

Contador & Sanchez tried to make something in the downhill again. Jalabert on French TV said they were something like 40s ahead but it was a mistake (in fact he mixed Evans-Schleck group with another group including BMC and Leopard guys), I was so desapointed and I didn't understand when I saw Conta and Sanchez crossing the line with the other favorites :lol:

Voeckler lost a few seconds... Bad move for him but at least he didn't fall.

Tomorrow awesome stage in theory with 3 HC climbs including never-ending Agnel (2744m altitude), fearsome Izoard and to finish the terrible Galibier. Hopefully it will be a great show ;)

cynicole
Jul 21st, 2011, 03:52 AM
Of course the one day I totally miss was probably the most exciting one the other day (the won by Hushovd, with Contador getting back time from all the GC hopefuls except Evans).

I hope the Schlecks do something, *anything*, because I've been finding them incredibly boring.

King Halep
Jul 21st, 2011, 05:48 AM
lol Jeza. It was 30 years ago that a Belgian won an actual mountain stage, and you are disappointed? :lol: And there has been too much fuss about Gilbert before the start of the Tour anyway. One stage win in the Tour is not bad at all for an expert in the classics.

I hate Cavendish, but he deserves the stage wins. He's clearly the best sprinter.

Schlecks should have attacked in the Pyrenees. Serves them right for being chickens like that.

The Schlecks have a plan and they are sticking to it. Maybe they should be more flexible and use all their effort when they see their opponent is weak, but I would rather see weak riders who can only attack on one day, than a super rider who blows away the field on the first mountain stage and has endless energy supply to counter any attack after that, as well as being unbeatable in the time trial. What is more incredibly boring, having evenly matched riders who have to win by small margins or having a champion who is so incredibly enhanced that he has the tour wrapped up in the second week and the rest of the race is a procession? It is just like fans who are raging that the WTA is in a mess because they can not predict who the 4 semi finalists before the tournament starts.

bulava
Jul 21st, 2011, 07:26 AM
^I think the same, and if my memory is right then tomorrow is the last mountain stage of this tour. Obviously, we should expect tough action in the mountains today; Voeckler will be thoroughly tested when the likes of Schleck brothers, Evans, Contador, Basso and others go on the stunning multiple-attack mode :)

The Crow
Jul 21st, 2011, 08:59 AM
The Schlecks have a plan and they are sticking to it. Maybe they should be more flexible and use all their effort when they see their opponent is weak, but I would rather see weak riders who can only attack on one day, than a super rider who blows away the field on the first mountain stage and has endless energy supply to counter any attack after that, as well as being unbeatable in the time trial. What is more incredibly boring, having evenly matched riders who have to win by small margins or having a champion who is so incredibly enhanced that he has the tour wrapped up in the second week and the rest of the race is a procession? It is just like fans who are raging that the WTA is in a mess because they can not predict who the 4 semi finalists before the tournament starts.

Sure, but I do think that Contador is getting better every day, and that he was more vulnerable in the Pyrenees. I think they are going to regret it big time that they didn't do much in the Pyrenees. Or maybe they weren't good enough as well.

Today should be a crucial stage. Looking forward to it!

hablo
Jul 21st, 2011, 03:50 PM
:haha: @ Contador. :haha:

(les carottes sont cuites... )

Well done, Schleck! :bowdown:

Drimal
Jul 21st, 2011, 03:55 PM
Andy and Frank :cheer:

King Halep
Jul 21st, 2011, 04:12 PM
:yawn: This tour and the Schlecks have been incredibly boring.

pedropt
Jul 21st, 2011, 04:13 PM
Contador :bigwave:

Andy Schleck :worship:

King Halep
Jul 21st, 2011, 04:17 PM
Andy and Frank :cheer:

They have also now both won the Alpe d'Huez stage. Frank did it in 2006.

Sorry didnt realise that was Alpe d'Huez

ViceUltramontain
Jul 21st, 2011, 04:26 PM
Alpe d'Huez is tomorrow. Today was the Galibier.

Evans is winning this Tour. Andy will be exhausted tomorrow. Voeckler would be an amazing story for France but he sucks at time-trial.

King Halep
Jul 21st, 2011, 04:31 PM
:lol: you think he is still fresh? he finally had to do some work on the front today for a change. its going to be more fun tomorrow. Frank's turn to have a go while Andy sucks his wheel and then accelerates past him with a few km left. They hold the cards now and their plan is falling into place. Only thing that will affect it is if some other schmuck decides to do the work for him.

ViceUltramontain
Jul 21st, 2011, 04:34 PM
:lol: you think he is still fresh? he finally had to do some work on the front today for a change.

Fresh or not, he's better than the others in time-trial (bar Contador but the spanish is done anyway) and better than Andy who's not fresh either.

King Halep
Jul 21st, 2011, 05:10 PM
Andy may not be as bad at ITT as is commonly believed. He was 30 seconds slower than AC in last year's tour ITT and going for the win he might find some extra speed. Depends on what happens tomorrow.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 21st, 2011, 05:26 PM
:yeah: Andy
What a great ride from the younger Schleck!

The question is, does he have anything left for tomorrow and the time trial on saturday??

This has become exciting :bounce:

gentenaire
Jul 21st, 2011, 06:08 PM
:yeah: Andy
What a great ride from the younger Schleck!

The question is, does he have anything left for tomorrow and the time trial on saturday??

This has become exciting :bounce:

Andy's probably dead tired, but Frank should be pretty fresh while Evans had to dig deep today. Brilliant tactics by Leopard Trek + amazing effort by Maxime Monfort.

Today was a very exciting stage and we can now say that whoever wins this tour has truly earned it.

Sander.
Jul 21st, 2011, 06:42 PM
Andy, well done :worship: He finally showed us how to attack :inlove:

cynicole
Jul 21st, 2011, 06:45 PM
:yawn: This tour and the Schlecks have been incredibly boring.

FrAndy were. :shrug:

They aren't now, obviously.

With Andy seconds off of Voeckler and Frank fairly well-rested (compared to the other GC riders), it looks like the brothers have a good chance of ending up on the podium together.

I don't like Contador but that was just sad. I was chuckling at first, then the three Garmin-Cervelo riders passed him on the climb. :facepalm:

Voeckler though. :worship:

bulava
Jul 21st, 2011, 07:01 PM
:yeah: Andy
What a great ride from the younger Schleck!

True, he's a very impressive talent. Anyone remembers his brave attacks on the mountains against Contador in 2010? Last year he was close to win, but lost it due to that unfortunate "Chain Popping" incident! I don't think anyone could stop him from taking the victory this tour, just keeping my fingers crossed for the last mountain stage tomorrow :help:

Elwin.
Jul 21st, 2011, 07:09 PM
Well, as Belgian I LOVE when Belgians win stages ! But hey that's better than the last 2 years where we won nothing ! But hey !
gurl, calm down :lol:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 21st, 2011, 08:50 PM
Just so everyone knows where the Winning Contenders are...

01- T.VOECKLER 79h 34' 06"
02- A.SCHLECK +00'15
03- F.SCHLECK +01'08
04- C.EVANS +01'12

The Crow
Jul 21st, 2011, 10:48 PM
Wow, I stand corrected. Didn't expect Contador to suck like that today.

Evans impressed me today, to be honest. I hope he's recovered by tomorrow, then it will be a great battle between him and the Schleck brothers.

Remix13
Jul 22nd, 2011, 06:41 AM
Wow, I stand corrected. Didn't expect Contador to suck like that today.

Evans impressed me today, to be honest. I hope he's recovered by tomorrow, then it will be a great battle between him and the Schleck brothers.

I agree with that.

Surprised by Contador's failure, it's definitely not his Tour this year...

Evans and Schleck brothers are really the strongest now. Even if I don't really like him, I must admit A. Schleck did a great stage yesterday, congrats to him :worship:, I'm curious to see how he will perform today after such a performance ?

A word for Voeckler : Epic :worship::worship:
He gave all he had to keep his yellow jersey :eek:

For today I think F.Schleck has a good chance to win at Alpe d'Huez as he is in great shape and he already won here, this will give him confidence. Evans has probably not the punch to win and will be more concerned with general, A Schleck should be a bit more tired than the others and I don't think Contador could have a burst of pride (I hope he could, at least for a stage win but...). Maybe an italian, Basso or Cunego could do something :confused:

Cavendish and the grupetto arrived after the time limit yesterday but were saved by organisation (with a 20 point penalty though). If it happens again today, Rojas could take the green jersey.

gentenaire
Jul 22nd, 2011, 08:04 AM
I agree with that.

Surprised by Contador's failure, it's definitely not his Tour this year...

Evans and Schleck brothers are really the strongest now. Even if I don't really like him, I must admit A. Schleck did a great stage yesterday, congrats to him :worship:, I'm curious to see how he will perform today after such a performance ?

A word for Voeckler : Epic :worship::worship:
He gave all he had to keep his yellow jersey :eek:

For today I think F.Schleck has a good chance to win at Alpe d'Huez as he is in great shape and he already won here, this will give him confidence. Evans has probably not the punch to win and will be more concerned with general, A Schleck should be a bit more tired than the others and I don't think Contador could have a burst of pride (I hope he could, at least for a stage win but...). Maybe an italian, Basso or Cunego could do something :confused:

Cavendish and the grupetto arrived after the time limit yesterday but were saved by organisation (with a 20 point penalty though). If it happens again today, Rojas could take the green jersey.

But Cav will take it back in Paris, I'm sure.
Only three more days of racing and not a single jersey has a definite winner. The fight for all jerseys is still on.

Remix13
Jul 22nd, 2011, 08:29 AM
I hope Cavendish won't be "hors délai" (I really don't know how to say that in english, out of time ?) again. As said gentenaire, he would probably get back the green in Paris, it would be quite unfair having a green jersey that should have been eliminated twice... Anyway if the gruppeto is smaller than yesterday, they would probably be eliminated this time.

gentenaire
Jul 22nd, 2011, 01:26 PM
If more than half of the riders arrive out of time, there's something wrong with the way they set the time limit.

cynicole
Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:12 PM
I can't believe that I'm feeling sorry for Contador.

When Voeckler was fighting there in no man's land, my first thought was, "wait for Rolland." Pierre Rolland has been massive these past few days, shepherding Thomas Voeckler through the mountains when Cadel Evans wasn't. Nice that he got the win on Alpe d'Huez.

I haven't enjoyed an overall tour as much as I've enjoyed this one. Too bad I'm heading off to an island tomorrow.

I don't know what to expect for tomorrow. People keep going on about how bad a time trialist Andy Schleck is but he didn't do too badly last year.

gentenaire
Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:15 PM
A yellow jersey gives wings, so Andy Schleck may very well surprise us in the time trial tomorrow. It's a close call. It may all come down to a few seconds.
If Andy and Cadel are only a few seconds apart after the time trial, will we see some actual racing to Paris?

cynicole
Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:22 PM
If Andy and Cadel are only a few seconds apart after the time trial, will we see some actual racing to Paris?

Would Team HTC let them?

hablo
Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:24 PM
I hope Schleck does well tomorrow!! He scared Contador last year in the time trial... :bounce:

Nice win for the Rolland.

Can't wait to see Contador and Voeckler's moments of rage when I get home. Can't see the clip from eurosport.fr :lol:

A yellow jersey gives wings, so Andy Schleck may very well surprise us in the time trial tomorrow. It's a close call. It may all come down to a few seconds.
If Andy and Cadel are only a few seconds apart after the time trial, will we see some actual racing to Paris?

That would be awesome! But isn't the unwritten rule that the cyclist with the yellow jersey doesn't race. :help:

gentenaire
Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:27 PM
Would Team HTC let them?

Probably not, considering they also have the green jersey to win back. It could be a very exciting last day of racing.

cynicole
Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:29 PM
Cavendish finished some 20 seconds outside of the time limit...but Rojas was with him, among notable others.

hablo
Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:30 PM
So Cavendish won't get penalized again? Wasn't Rojas talking big about getting Cavendish eliminated by making sure he was outside the time limit? I swear I read that somewhere. :lol:

Sander.
Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:41 PM
Evans is still the big favourite for me, but I really hope Andy can make it tomorrow!

gentenaire
Jul 22nd, 2011, 04:52 PM
So Cavendish won't get penalized again? Wasn't Rojas talking big about getting Cavendish eliminated by making sure he was outside the time limit? I swear I read that somewhere. :lol:

For that to work, Cav had to arrive out of the grupetto. It's a good thing they have that 20% rule, but they should make the cut off time a little longer. The time limit is there to prevent riders from taking a day off, so to speak, and arriving two hours after the rest. But when more than half of the riders arrive outside the time limit even though they've been riding as hard as they could, they may need to review the time limit.

gumoll
Jul 22nd, 2011, 05:18 PM
damn, I hope Schlecks won't win...

can't stand them :o

The Crow
Jul 22nd, 2011, 09:29 PM
That was a great stage! Great fighting spirit from Contador, but if the legs aren't good enough...

I hope Evans doesn't regret tomorrow that he didn't do much on the last climb today. Go Cadel!

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:08 AM
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3114/2541199754_325710abac.jpg

Allez Andy demain! Gagne le tour de france pour Luxembourg!


A.SCHLECK 82h 48' 43"
F.SCHLECK +00'53
C.EVANS +00'57

Tomorrow morning will be extremely intense stuff.

also congrats to Roland for providing France with their first(and only) stage win of 2011.

Evans trying to become the first ever Australian TDF winner.
The Schleck's are trying to become the 4th Luxembourger TDF winner after Faber,Frantz(x2) and Gaul

Martian Jeza
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:47 AM
Lotto working for the foreigners : I Hope they are happy they have lost everything for Paris ! Yeepeeh, stage wins : only 2 for the Belgians ! Where was the time were we could have 4 or 5 stage wins by Tour ? Far Away ! When it's about losing : Belgians are the best in the world in it ! I wanted more ! ANd I'm disgusted that Non Nation of cycling did better than us ! We truly only are good in classics !

hablo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:13 PM
C'mon Andy!!! :bounce:

ViceUltramontain
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:25 PM
Andy already lost 15 seconds to Cadel.

hablo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:26 PM
Fight Andy :fiery:

hablo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:34 PM
Evans 35 sec away... damn. :mad:

The Crow
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:40 PM
Come on Cadel, only 20-30 seconds left!

hablo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:42 PM
I hope Cadel runs out of steam!!! ALLEZ :ras:

Cadel now in virtual yellow. :o

Adrian.
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:48 PM
Evans in Yellow :cheer:
5 sec ahead :banana:

hablo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:51 PM
I didn't want Contador to win this Tour de France, first and firemost anyway. :D

The Crow
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:56 PM
No stupid risks downhill, and Cadel should win this!

Great time trial from Thomas De Gendt btw :D

hablo
Jul 23rd, 2011, 02:57 PM
Andy is going to cry tonight... :lol::tape:

To lose the Tour de France like this...

The Crow
Jul 23rd, 2011, 03:24 PM
At last this win for Cadel. And completely deserved in my opinion.

Too bad for Andy, he was the only one who would have deserved it as well. But he made some strategic errors in the Friday stage

And I can't believe that he didn't explore this time trial stage before the Tour. Cadel knew every curve and every climb.

Drimal
Jul 23rd, 2011, 03:32 PM
Oh Andy :sobbing:

Finished 2nd at the last 3 TdF, that hurts ...

gentenaire
Jul 23rd, 2011, 03:35 PM
Congrats Cadel Evans, well deserved. Hard work finally paid off.

I feel a bit sorry for Andy though.

It's been a very exciting tour de France. I was glued to the TV screen all week.

jefrilibra
Jul 23rd, 2011, 03:37 PM
Andy Schleck!!!! :haha: :hysteric:

Cadel deserves this victory cos he's the most consistent ... on the flat, the mountains and the time trial.:worship:

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jul 23rd, 2011, 03:46 PM
Poor Andy, he must be wondering if he can ever win the Tour de France after finishing 2nd, 3 years in a row.
What lead does he need to win the tour??? 5 minutes??? He needs to get WAY better at time trialing if he is to ever wear the yellow jersey in Paris.

Congrats to Cadel on winning because of your time trialing.

pedropt
Jul 23rd, 2011, 03:54 PM
Well done Cadel, I'm happy with his victory :cheer:

Andy, get your shit together at time trials. Like, he barely beat Frank, seriously? :rolleyes:

Remix13
Jul 23rd, 2011, 03:59 PM
Well Evans was way better than Schlecks today. Congrats for his perseverance, he finally wins the Tour :worship:

Langers
Jul 23rd, 2011, 04:35 PM
CADEL!! :worship:

Amazing.

GoofyDuck
Jul 23rd, 2011, 04:51 PM
I had a blast, watched the tour every day...

I'm not a fan of Andy and he certainly was not the the one that brought the excitement these 2 weeks.

Way to passive!

gentenaire
Jul 23rd, 2011, 05:02 PM
I had a blast, watched the tour every day...

I'm not a fan of Andy and he certainly was not the the one that brought the excitement these 2 weeks.

Way to passive!

Huh? Have you been watching the same tour?

GoofyDuck
Jul 23rd, 2011, 05:10 PM
Huh? Have you been watching the same tour?

Yes of all the 2 weeks only 1 day he took initiative.. the other days all he did was try to keep up with the concurrention...

It's too passive for someone that wants to win..

and this shows, as he lost.

Don't you agree?

gentenaire
Jul 23rd, 2011, 05:32 PM
Yes of all the 2 weeks only 1 day he took initiative.. the other days all he did was try to keep up with the concurrention...

It's too passive for someone that wants to win..

and this shows, as he lost.

Don't you agree?

I completely disagree. None of the top contenders took any initiative in the Pyrenees. either they couldn't or they wanted to wait for the Alps.
Andy's the only one that attacked eventually, and what a well planned and executed attack that was. He forced Cadel to dig deep, very deep, forced Cadel out of his comfortable seat. Andy livened up the tour big time. Cadel's certainly earned his win, the way he singlehandedly closed the gap from 4 minutes to 2. But if it wasn't for Andy (and the entire Leopard Trek team), Cadel would have remained in his seat until the very end and Cadel would have won without any kind of glory at all. Andy's made Cadel work for the win.
Andy lost because he sucks at TT.

The Crow
Jul 23rd, 2011, 06:17 PM
Andy lost because he sucks at TT.

And not very good tactics by him and his team.

gentenaire
Jul 23rd, 2011, 06:59 PM
And not very good tactics by him and his team.

I thought the tactics were great, actually. Maybe he shouldn't have gone after Contador yesterday, but I don't think it would have made a difference.
They should have attacked in the Pyrenees, but perhaps they simply didn't feel strong enough then to attack.
They managed to put Contador out of the competition and tired out Cadel.

What else should they have done? Cadel was very strong, it's not easy to gain minutes on him.

jrm
Jul 23rd, 2011, 07:08 PM
If Contador is proven guilty next month, what is he losing (in terms of wins)?

The Crow
Jul 23rd, 2011, 08:19 PM
I thought the tactics were great, actually. Maybe he shouldn't have gone after Contador yesterday, but I don't think it would have made a difference.
They should have attacked in the Pyrenees, but perhaps they simply didn't feel strong enough then to attack.
They managed to put Contador out of the competition and tired out Cadel.

What else should they have done? Cadel was very strong, it's not easy to gain minutes on him.

You're right, it could be that they simply weren't good enough. Still, I'm not entirely sure about that, only they know. But with all these stages that had climbs at the end and so few kilometers time trial, Andy should have won really. So it's either not a good preparation or bad tactics (they didn't have bad luck). Probably a little bit of both...

The Crow
Jul 23rd, 2011, 08:19 PM
If Contador is proven guilty next month, what is he losing (in terms of wins)?

Only his tour of last year I think.

Dani12
Jul 24th, 2011, 02:19 AM
Woohooo Cadel!! :D

bulava
Jul 24th, 2011, 08:09 AM
For some time I didn't know whether to feel happy for Cedal Evans or sad of Andy Schleck :confused: I was through similar emotions after watching Le Mans 24 Hrs very recently; quite happy for Andre Lotterer whereas I was incredibly sad for Sebastien Bourdais (for the 3rd time he ended up in 2nd place. So did Schleck!!).

I have to admit Cadel Evans deserves the 2011 Tour victory :) He literally decimated his rivals like a warrior by rising up to the challenge from the young blood. He's really humble, dignified, free from drugs/controversies so he fits well as a good "Sport Ambassador" bill for Australians. I hope many young people, and loud-mouth sports persons look up to him as a great Role Model :)

bulava
Jul 24th, 2011, 08:10 AM
Only his tour of last year I think.
Yes, and 2011 Giro d'Italia too :tape:

cynicole
Jul 24th, 2011, 11:54 AM
They should have attacked in the Pyrenees, but perhaps they simply didn't feel strong enough then to attack.


Didn't they kind of try that on Stage 12? And it did put Frank on the podium.

I don't watch cycling year-round. I just watch the TdF and some other races if 1) they're broadcast on TV here, 2) I have the free time and 3) I recognize some names. (I've only seen some Giro d'Italia and Tour of California this year.) It's hard for me to gauge how effective Leopard Trek were there given how well Voeckler kept hanging on and that the peloton didn't really break in that stage until Szymd of Liquigas-Cannondale got to the front (after most of the Leopard Treks were spent). I love Jens Voight and all but when he was on front it didn't look so devastating. Or maybe I've been so accustomed to the EPO era accelerations of Armstrong's teams that these tactics don't look as exciting when they're executed nowadays.

Now I keep wondering about the mechanical that Evans had the other day that forced him back to the peloton where he had the teammates to help him regain the time on Andy and how he ultimately he wasn't hurt much by it. Could have it been better than getting isolated with Contador and Schleck? I shudder imagining him getting dropped by those two and working to tow Voeckler again. Or even just having to continuously claw them back after they accelerate again and again trying to get rid of him.

Ziggy Starduck
Jul 24th, 2011, 12:19 PM
Can't wait to see Cadel finally cross the line :bowdown:

The Crow
Jul 24th, 2011, 01:01 PM
Yes, and 2011 Giro d'Italia too :tape:

I don't think so. I think TAS has already ruled that he can keep all his other results, even if he's found guilty.

The Crow
Jul 24th, 2011, 01:01 PM
Now I keep wondering about the mechanical that Evans had the other day that forced him back to the peloton where he had the teammates to help him regain the time on Andy and how he ultimately he wasn't hurt much by it. Could have it been better than getting isolated with Contador and Schleck? I shudder imagining him getting dropped by those two and working to tow Voeckler again. Or even just having to continuously claw them back after they accelerate again and again trying to get rid of him.

Good point. On the other hand, when you saw Contador die on Alpe d'Huez, I'm not too sure that would have happened.

Andreas
Jul 24th, 2011, 10:31 PM
Evans has fans outside Australia? :spit: I absolutely can't stand the guy. He has a boring personality and he's boring when he's on the road as well. He's nothing but a whiny little bitch :o

Martian Jeza
Jul 24th, 2011, 11:15 PM
Yeay, we did better than the last 2 years with 2 stage wins but I think we could have more than 2 : Lotto and at Mur de Bretagne Gilbert went completely wrong with their tactics at some stages ! Greipel was, beside his only win, nowhere ! And why Gilbert going in the Grupetto ? If you had a bit of pride more in you, you would have win the green and maybe Vanendert de Bolletjestrui ! Cavendish ? Very limited rider only going on sprint with his train : he's very overrated ! Put him in a weaker team and you don't see him anymore winning a single thing in Le Tour ! Lazy guy like there's no tomorrow ! An arrogant and whining twat that complained about the parcours before and during the tour but has again 5 stage wins ! If he ever surpass Merckx about stage wins at Le Tour, it would be the biggest swindle ever of the cycling history ! I can't stand that guy !

Well, Belgium still is a big country in classics !

Dani12
Jul 25th, 2011, 01:41 AM
Evans has fans outside Australia? :spit: I absolutely can't stand the guy. He has a boring personality and he's boring when he's on the road as well. He's nothing but a whiny little bitch :o

How is he boring? His interviews are always so expressive and emotive. I've only heard him whine a couple of times too, nothing to write home about though. The man is extremely humble, dignified and passionate... Personally, I could not be more impressed.

Also Tina Arena. :lol:

Kəv.
Jul 25th, 2011, 10:52 AM
Well done Cadel :bounce:

wta_zuperfann
Jul 26th, 2011, 03:25 AM
Kudos to Cadel!

Remix13
Jul 13th, 2012, 06:42 AM
Nobody's watching the Tour de France this year ?

The Team Sky is overwhelming after the Alps. Evans had a failure in La Toussuire climb and the likes of Van den Broeck and Nibali are not strong enough to outdistance Wiggins and Froome. I have little hope for the Pyrénées but who knows.

At least French riders Rolland, Voeckler and Pinot are doing well by winning stages :)

King Halep
Jul 17th, 2012, 12:27 AM
Unusual tour with the best riders out and a less tough course. I hope Wiggins finishes without blowing up. Froom is already making cryptic comments to the media about being the strongest rider in the tour :drool:

“I know I would be able to win this Tour, [but] not at Sky. We have defined a strategy around Wiggins and everyone respects that,” he told L’Equipe. “I can not lie to you, it’s difficult, really, but it’s my job.”

“If there are [many] climbs, I hope that Sky will be honest and all the team-mates will put themselves at my service, with the same loyalty I showed today,” he said.

“If I feel that we can lose the Tour, I will follow the best, either Evans or Nibali, to preserve our chances,”

Remix13
Jul 17th, 2012, 06:24 AM
At least a battle between Froome and Wiggins would be interesting... But it's unlikely.

Yesterday, victory for the French rider Fedrigo :)

Today is rest day and tomorrow is the beginning of Pyrénées.

HawkAussie
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:17 AM
Cadal needs a mircale to win this tour de france

The Crow
Jul 17th, 2012, 08:48 AM
Not that I cheer against Bradley, but it would be interesting to see what Sky does when Bradley gets in trouble on a mountain!

Go Jurgen!

Remix13
Jul 17th, 2012, 09:19 AM
Not that I cheer against Bradley, but it would be interesting to see what Sky does when Bradley gets in trouble on a mountain!

Go Jurgen!

If he gets in real trouble I think Froome won't wait for him. He has Porte and Rogers anyway.

The Crow
Jul 17th, 2012, 09:25 AM
I'm not sure... What if they are with only 4-5 riders (Wiggins, Froome, Nibali, Evans, VDB for instance) and Wiggins can't follow? Would be an interesting situation.

King Halep
Jul 17th, 2012, 09:53 AM
I dont think any of them is all that strong and can put Wiggins in trouble, apart from maybe Froom and he hasnt proven that he is a great rider yet. At least Wiggins has come fourth before. Its a weak tour this time, theres not a really great rider in it.

King Halep
Jul 18th, 2012, 01:43 PM
:zzz: the biggest stage is rather dull. finish with an easy descent is genius

Remix13
Jul 18th, 2012, 02:07 PM
:zzz: the biggest stage is rather dull. finish with an easy descent is genius

No matter the stage profile, it would have been boring anyway. It's modern cycling... The only hope would be a doped Contador !

At least I hope a French victory with Voeckler or Feuillu.

Martian Jeza
Jul 18th, 2012, 03:07 PM
Voeckler is a DOPER ! No doubt possible ! That idiot couldn't move a few days before the start of Le Tour and this ! What a joke ! Europcar = The New Festina ?

wta_zuperfann
Jul 18th, 2012, 06:44 PM
Love those mountain stages - too bad we don't have team trial time this year.

wta_zuperfann
Jul 18th, 2012, 06:45 PM
Voeckler is a DOPER ! No doubt possible ! That idiot couldn't move a few days before the start of Le Tour and this ! What a joke !


He had a monumental win today - be a tragedy if he was later found to have used illegal stuff like Floyd Landis did a few years ago. Let's hope it remains a clean win.

hablo
Jul 18th, 2012, 09:42 PM
Too bad Froome won't race his own teammate. :lol:

Now that would make things interesting... :devil:

King Halep
Jul 19th, 2012, 12:21 AM
Froom is a peasant who needs to sit his ass down

hablo
Jul 19th, 2012, 03:12 PM
Froome should have dished Wiggins!! :mad:

Wiggins looks bad. Froome could have dished him!! :haha:

edificio
Jul 19th, 2012, 06:02 PM
I'm already sick of Bradley Wiggins' win.

Hoping for a miracle. Maybe Froome will go off chain and take it for himself. [end fantasy]

Chrissie-fan
Jul 20th, 2012, 01:07 PM
I consider the TdF the biggest waste of time in all of sports. Not only does the winner and many others always turn out to be PED cheats, now it turns out that arguably the best rider in the race isn't allowed to even try winning. Part of the blame for this goes to Froome himself of course. He should just say, "see you later alligator" and go for it. If Wiggins can't follow him, well, tough luck! All this talk about riding for another team next year is just lame. Next year the steak guy and the Schleck guy who still hasn't been caught might be back at their best. A lot can happen in twelve months and this may have been the only chance Froome ever got of winning. But if he himself cares so little about winning I guess it's best that he won't anyway.

hablo
Jul 20th, 2012, 04:32 PM
I consider the TdF the biggest waste of time in all of sports. Not only does the winner and many others always turn out to be PED cheats, now it turns out that arguably the best rider in the race isn't allowed to even try winning. Part of the blame for this goes to Froome himself of course. He should just say, "see you later alligator" and go for it. If Wiggins can't follow him, well, tough luck! All this talk about riding for another team next year is just lame. Next year the steak guy and the Schleck guy who still hasn't been caught might be back at their best. A lot can happen in twelve months and this may have been the only chance Froome ever got of winning. But if he himself cares so little about winning I guess it's best that he won't anyway.

I bet Froome will regret not going for the win later. ;)

And really, I think there is doping in all sports. I mean, even in golf it happens. :lol::help:

Chrissie-fan
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:26 PM
I bet Froome will regret not going for the win later. ;)

And really, I think there is doping in all sports. I mean, even in golf it happens. :lol::help:
I don't doubt it. If you can drive the ball X yards further it's a advantage. I'm sure that it even happens in snooker or darts. Something to calm the nerves can do wonders.

But cycling is probably the only sport where you can watch for three weeks and you know beforehand that somewhere down the line they will say, "sorry mate. You watched three weeks for nothing (again!) because we're gonna have to disqualify the winner."......Maybe that Froome guy isn't so dumb after all. He must know that the second guy always ends up winning in the end. :lol:

King Halep
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:31 PM
I consider the TdF the biggest waste of time in all of sports. Not only does the winner and many others always turn out to be PED cheats, now it turns out that arguably the best rider in the race isn't allowed to even try winning. Part of the blame for this goes to Froome himself of course. He should just say, "see you later alligator" and go for it. If Wiggins can't follow him, well, tough luck! All this talk about riding for another team next year is just lame. Next year the steak guy and the Schleck guy who still hasn't been caught might be back at their best. A lot can happen in twelve months and this may have been the only chance Froome ever got of winning. But if he himself cares so little about winning I guess it's best that he won't anyway.

What you may not know is that he has hardly raced this year so its a bit unrealistic for him to start directing the team what to do. If he had grabbed the lead earlier in the tour and then had a difficult day where he needed help, would he be asking his team to help him? If you want to know what happens when team members start riding for themselves look at the T-Mobile team of Ullrich, Vino and Kloden. You probably have not heard of them.

hablo
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:45 PM
I don't doubt it. If you can drive the ball X yards further it's a advantage. I'm sure that it even happens in snooker or darts. Something to calm the nerves can do wonders.

But cycling is probably the only sport where you can watch for three weeks and you know beforehand that somewhere down the line they will say, "sorry mate. You watched three weeks for nothing (again!) because we're gonna have to disqualify the winner."......Maybe that Froome guy isn't so dumb after all. He must know that the second guy always ends up winning in the end. :lol:
Good one! :haha:
Doping does indeed happen in snooker and darts. Like you said to calm the nerves. :o:help:
What you may not know is that he has hardly raced this year so its a bit unrealistic for him to start directing the team what to do. If he had grabbed the lead earlier in the tour and then had a difficult day where he needed help, would he be asking his team to help him? If you want to know what happens when team members start riding for themselves look at the T-Mobile team of Ullrich, Vino and Kloden. You probably have not heard of them.

I have. What's your point? :lol:

Race was much more interesting when Ullrich was around. Plus he has won one TdF before and was unfortunate to race during Lance Armstrong's time.

Too bad Vino is too old or near retirement. Kloden is still here. :shrug:

King Halep
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:59 PM
From what I have read, Froom's rapid improvement is a lot more "suspicious" than Wiggins, who has finished fourth before and has not show any superhuman ability in this race.

My point about T-Mobile is that they put together a team of great riders, but could not get them to co-operate, so they were never able to produce a winner. Those who say Froom should usurp his team leader dont understand the situation. This is not tennis, he rides in a team.

edificio
Jul 20th, 2012, 06:23 PM
...Maybe that Froome guy isn't so dumb after all. He must know that the second guy always ends up winning in the end. :lol:

:haha::tape:

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Yeah, I know Froom should be a good team player, but I always lose interest when the winner is determined before the midpoint.

Malkmus_
Jul 20th, 2012, 06:43 PM
Well I'm glad Wiggins is in the lead, first Brit to win the Tour de France :yeah: :cheer: