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danieln1
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:26 PM
Too bad Jelena lost, she should have won this in 2 sets actually......

Schiavone top spin, especially her forehand, is just useless on grass, she´s not going far in this tournament at all.

Sammo
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:27 PM
God :facepalm:

backhandsmash
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:27 PM
shit

Just Do It
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:27 PM
One of those matches when the wrong player won :facepalm:

Empressive
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:27 PM
Lucky Fran. The rain saved you.

BlueTrees
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Jelena you choker. :fiery:

Mixal
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Yuck. So many opportunities.

Jane Lane
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Hot fucking mess. :facepalm:

Lynn Welch and the lines crew :help:

Shaun:::
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Jelly WTF were u doin:smash:
missed so many choice:o

anyway,congrats to Sexa

Root
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Jelena :facepalm: You had 4 break points.

Lynn the hawkeye. :tape:

Darop.
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
:facepalm:

As a fan of both, Dokic deserved this much more.

Svetlana)))
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Really good match from both, Dokic just a little unlucky with the delay - she was hitting so hard and accurate. Schiavone had such heart to stay strong and Dokic of course folded

nevetssllim
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Well done Fran! :woohoo: I didn't really expect Fran to win this so I'm glad she came through.

Mistress of Evil
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
she almost did it :awww:

PMBH
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
When did Dokic become so fat?

FORZA SARITA
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
well done fighter :hearts:
but your game sucks so badly on grass :tears:
take advantage of another good draw :oh:

kaktusino
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Course..

starin
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
dokic and that serve :tape:
too bad, I really enjoy watching her ground game.

doomsday
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Pathetic.

young_gunner913
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
YESSSSSSS!!! FORZA FRANSEXA!!!!! :bowdown:

Too good of a player to lose to someone of Dokic's standards. Better player won today. Dokic's fistpumping and dirty looks after nearly every point was beyond obnoxious and disgusting. She deserved to lose. Bye bye. :wavey::wavey::wavey:

ElusiveChanteuse
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Yay! Thank god Fran won.:D
Who's that hot guy? fran's coach?:eek:

Petkorazzi
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu319/LeeJu89/britney-spears-crying-o.gif

SVK
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Someone who is wasting that many chances simply doesn´t deserve to win no matter how she played. Francesca take every opportunity.

Monica_Rules
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:28 PM
Jelena should have won that. Poor serving in the end

Delfii
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:29 PM
Jelena had everything to win :o Rain ruined her...

Huntress55
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:29 PM
:sad:
Jelena :hug:

Elenarulez
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:29 PM
Loosing to Schiavone on grass? Ouch Jelly :tape:

MaruSharapova
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:29 PM
:( How sad

I really don't like Schiavone's tennis :o but oh well, gratz for winning

Temperenka
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:29 PM
Thank God. Onward, Francesca!

Mightymirza
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:29 PM
The Dfs got to Jelly :sad: Fran is such a fighter though.. :lol: Not sure if she can go too far with her topspin though.. The Slice was really working wonders.. The FH :facepalm:

Jane Lane
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:30 PM
Yay! Thank god Fran won.:D
Who's that hot guy? fran's coach?:eek:

If it's the guy I think you mean, he's Jelena's brother.

Marionated
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:30 PM
Jelena's second serve fell apart again.

Even though grass is her worst surface, Fran could at least make the 4th round with this draw.

freeandlonely
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:30 PM
disaster

Mr.Sharapova
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:30 PM
Jelena played really well, but when it got tough and close she just lost it.

Congratulations to Fransexa though :yeah:.

Tuckii
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:30 PM
Franny :banana:

Viktymise
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:31 PM
One of those matches when the wrong player won :facepalm:

Totally. If I have to see Schiavone's ugly ass game groundies again it will be too soon.

All of the attractive, exciting tennis came from Dokic. Schiavone merely scrambled, and junked her way to the win.

*Jool*
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Fighting Feisty Fran :D

too bad for Jelena :hug:
the draw was harsh for both

tennis-insomniac
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:31 PM
There is never a wrong player won, too bad Jelena lost but most of credit must go to Fran to stay tough on many rallies and she (Dokic) made a lot of UFs.

It is stupid really to say Fran did not deserve to win and we will see she will prove a lot of you wrong again.

Tweety Snape
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Jelena :hug:
Stupid rain :fiery:

Gilas.
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Too bad Dokic started serving like crap when the roof closed. I mean it should have been advantageous for her, her game works on indoor courts :shrug:

Mattographer
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:31 PM
Jelena :facepalm: Wasted so many chances.

TrojanStallion
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:32 PM
I don't mind Dokic, and I like her ground game... but....... that Jelly Roll.. OMG!!
Seriously, that is unacceptable for a pro athlete. Fitness my dear..... fitness.

madmax
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:32 PM
Fran lucks out in yet another GS match:facepalm:
Dokic had the match in her hands and of course wasted all the opportunities...

backslapu
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:32 PM
If Jelena can get in shape this summer, drop about 10 lbs, and come back for the US Series, she could have a goo US run.

Just Do It
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:33 PM
This was a good quality match, doubt we will get to see many better matches this week ...

rnwerner
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:33 PM
I don't think that the draw system is good enough when someone like Dokic (who played brillant tennis from time to time and all in all a very good match) has to play against a top 10 player in round 1.
I know that no one will have 64 or 48 seeds,
but with 48 or 64 seeds this match could just not happen in R1!

And now the winner of K. Bondarenko (totally out of form and not Top 64) against Cornet (totally out of form and Top 64) will reach the second round.

That just doesn't make any sense.

sandv1
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:34 PM
That damn :rain: delay! Yeah, yeah, I know.... a win's a win, and Chrissie is right: Jelena looked noticeably less energized after the roof was closed and they came back on court. :shrug:

Congrats to Fran for being the more in-form player overall. (Yes she was!)

MiiMo
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:34 PM
If Jelena stays healthy, she'll be one of the players to watch on the US Hardcourts Season.

Shinjiro
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:34 PM
Jelena's own fault for letting this go three sets. Too bad, she could have gone far with that draw.

pollison
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:34 PM
Jelena deserved the victory thats for sure but Schiavone hung tough.
I'm looking forward to Dokic's US hardcourt season, she definitely could do some damage

Wintermute
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:35 PM
As a long-time fan of Jelena I'm a little disappointed, especially that she couldn't grab any of those BPs at the end. But I can't hate on Schiavone and in the end the best player on the day won.

°°°VaMoS RaFa°°°
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:36 PM
oh Jelly, this is a bad lost. she should had win this match, but the rain cames in the false moment.

congrats to Franny anyway...

Ryusuke Tenma
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:36 PM
Took their time. Time for real grass tennis with Andy Murray.

SVK
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:36 PM
There is never a wrong player won, too bad Jelena lost but most of credit must go to Fran to stay tough on many rallies and she made a lot of UFs.

It is stupid really to say Fran did not deserve to win and we will see she will prove a lot of you wrong again.

Exactly...Isn´t tennis mostly about taking chances? You might play super tennis but it´s absolutely for nothing if you can´t win big points (wasting BPs/GPS or doublefaulting on important points, losing close games etc etc...)This is well deserved win for Francesca, yeah, just because she take every chance she had while Dokic was wasting tons of them:shrug:

Chrissie-fan
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:38 PM
I feel sorry for Jelena. I would have liked to see her have a good run here. Congrats to Francesca though - well done.

danieln1
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:38 PM
:facepalm:

So far match of the tournament, Jelena doing the job with some beautiful hitting

BartoLiNa
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:39 PM
Took their time. Time for real grass tennis with Andy Murray.

Wozniacki fan likes Murray. Shocker :lol:

ElusiveChanteuse
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:39 PM
If it's the guy I think you mean, he's Jelena's brother.

Hm..he was shown after Fran's win and he was smiling.:shrug: :scratch: He was also shown in the last game, hiding his head in the box.

Madoka
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:39 PM
DOKIC : COME ON !!!


doenst she say come on anymore now ??

i have been disgusted by her screaming at francesca's face come on after every single point.

im not a dokic hater, but after all these xcreamings and fistpumps i am so happy she lost.

Noctis
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:39 PM
She collapse again. sigh

Ryusuke Tenma
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:40 PM
Wozniacki fan likes Murray. Shocker :lol:
Murray is brilliant. Watch him destroy his opponent with a show of tricks, power, speed, variety and great defense all at the same time.

18majors
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:40 PM
Good win for Schiavone.

M.P
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:40 PM
Wimbledon traditionally usng old lineman is EPICLY FAIL :facepalm:

sluggahjells
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:40 PM
When did Dokic become so fat?

She needs to get back with her old buddy Hantuchova and have a talk about fitness.

MAGIKARPETTA
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:41 PM
Lucky Sexa :oh:

Langers
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:41 PM
A match Dokic should have won.

Pump-it-UP
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:42 PM
Probably the best I've ever seen her play in a loss. So gutted. :o But her groundstrokes/attitude (and serve until the end) were really impressive, so hopefully she stays positive and keeps working hard. :hug: If she was half a step faster this could have been over in 2.

I'll be surprised if Fran makes the 2nd week.

McHenri84
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:42 PM
Jelena! :help: Try anti-depressiva

But good Job after all, Fran!

Jane Lane
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:44 PM
Hm..he was shown after Fran's win and he was smiling.:shrug: :scratch: He was also shown in the last game, hiding his head in the box.

I don't know. I heard Pam and Chris talking about how Jelena's brother was there and how he's younger than her...I kind of assumed? :shrug: I thought Barrazutti (sp? :lol:) was Fran's coach?

Antoshka
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:44 PM
Jelena :awww:

leon charles
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:45 PM
poor dokic :/ the rain break took all her monumentum away, she just couldn't get her game going again after that while schiavone benefited from it greatly

definitely one of these games where the wrong player won :hug:

18majors
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:45 PM
Schiavone deserves the win.

Beat
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:47 PM
too close, schiavone, too close ... improve! your! game! now!

Too bad Jelena lost, she should have won this in 2 sets actually......

like every other match she has ever lost, according to dokictards on the board. :yawn:

Shaun:::
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:47 PM
She needs to get back with her old buddy Hantuchova and have a talk about fitness.

this:haha:

bandabou
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:48 PM
Yeah...that jelly-roll was :help: :facepalm:

Break My Rapture
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:49 PM
How the hell does Dokic manage to lose to Schiavone on grass. :facepalm:

LCS
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:50 PM
Dokic :facepalm:

Beat
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:50 PM
I don't think that the draw system is good enough when someone like Dokic (who played brillant tennis from time to time and all in all a very good match) has to play against a top 10 player in round 1.
I know that no one will have 64 or 48 seeds,
but with 48 or 64 seeds this match could just not happen in R1!

:rolls: you're kidding, right? hey, why not make 128 seeds! and take all the fun and excitement out of the grand slams!

Dominic
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:57 PM
Wasted a shitload of chances.

sluggahjells
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:58 PM
How the hell does Dokic manage to lose to Schiavone on grass. :facepalm:

Simple.........fitness.

BartoLiNa
Jun 20th, 2011, 05:59 PM
Murray is brilliant. Watch him destroy his opponent with a show of tricks, power, speed, variety and great defense all at the same time.

I'd rather drink bleach.

sandv1
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:00 PM
... He was also shown in the last game, hiding his head in the box.

That's who I thought you meant. I'm not sure, but I thought that that _was_ Fran's coach and father, Francesco Schiavone. :shrug:

NyCPsU
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:01 PM
Fran :inlove: Keep going!

backhandsmash
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:02 PM
I don't think that the draw system is good enough when someone like Dokic (who played brillant tennis from time to time and all in all a very good match) has to play against a top 10 player in round 1.
I know that no one will have 64 or 48 seeds,
but with 48 or 64 seeds this match could just not happen in R1!

And now the winner of K. Bondarenko (totally out of form and not Top 64) against Cornet (totally out of form and Top 64) will reach the second round.

That just doesn't make any sense.

This was actually an excellent draw for Dokic. After Makarova's exit , not a seeded player in sight until 4th round (Petkovic) and Ms. QF in the QF.

Jane Lane
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:02 PM
That's who I thought you meant. I'm not sure, but I thought that that _was_ Fran's coach and father, Francesco Schiavone. :shrug:

Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about. :lol:

Bismarck.
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:02 PM
Jelena's still the same player she was ten years ago. An incredible ball striker from the baseline but that's it. She doesn't attack the ball anywhere near as much as she should (the amount of rallies she takes charge of but loses simply from staying at the back of the court is astounding) and isn't athletic enough to sustain the pace in rallies. Also, her serve is nowhere near good enough to compensate for her lack of a gameplan.

SAISAI-GOAT
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:03 PM
rain saved Fran :sobbing:

Vamos Feńa
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:05 PM
That's what happens if you miss 4 bps at 4:5 in3rd set :o :(
Apart from that Jelena was quite good. I loved her fistpumps and c'mons. She really was motivated. Keep it please! :yeah: Of course the fitness was her weakness.

Fran fought as usual and won because of her consistency, though she won't make it far enough... Still kudos ;)

Madoka
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:10 PM
That's who I thought you meant. I'm not sure, but I thought that that _was_ Fran's coach and father, Francesco Schiavone. :shrug:

the first on the left was her coach, for sure.

i think he may be her boyfriend...but im not sure.

faboozadoo15
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:12 PM
:sad: Yet another match Jelena should have won. A real shame because the draw is open.

Craig.
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:22 PM
Ugh, ew.

Madoka
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:33 PM
anyway francesca can make QF !!! her draw isnt bad at all !!! and she can get a lot of points since she lost in round 1 the last year...

sluggahjells
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:33 PM
Jelena's still the same player she was ten years ago. An incredible ball striker from the baseline but that's it. She doesn't attack the ball anywhere near as much as she should (the amount of rallies she takes charge of but loses simply from staying at the back of the court is astounding) and isn't athletic enough to sustain the pace in rallies. Also, her serve is nowhere near good enough to compensate for her lack of a gameplan.

I don't know if you watched the match, but though she didn't go to net, she showed great feel of the court to Dokic in this match. She had some deft drop shots and anticipated quite well in this match.

Plu, despite it also being Schiavone a so-so returner, Jelena was winning in the middle stages of the 3rd 68% on her 2nd serve.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:33 PM
:( Jelena
The rain did her in :(

Kim's_fan_4ever
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:35 PM
Ugh, ew.

Pretty much.
Jelena had her chances but she failed to convert them. Rain ruined it for her too :rolleyes:

Danger.
Jun 20th, 2011, 06:38 PM
As a fan of both, I just say that if Dokic deserved really to win she would have won.
Francesca never gave up, as always. She gives herself to her matches and this is the result.
Sorry for Jelena, this was a good opportunity but the better player, of course, won.

Queenpova
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:01 PM
:(

Ugh, It Was So Close...

Adrian.
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:01 PM
Dokic fans :facepalm:

All the: she should have won, or the wrong player won-posts are so...:facepalm:

The better player won 6-4 1-6 6-3 :shrug:

Franny :yeah:

Fantasy Hero
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:06 PM
Dokic is 1) an annoying girl on court :o seriously and people complain of Ana :lol:
2) a fat cow whose movement are terrible and really doesn't deserve to win many matches with that shape

Fran played a bad tennis made of wrong decision, still it was enough solid to make Jelena implode

young_gunner913
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:09 PM
Dokic fans :facepalm:

All the: she should have won, or the wrong player won-posts are so...:facepalm:

The better player won 6-4 1-6 6-3 :shrug:

Franny :yeah:

Seriously. They're just as obnoxious as Jelly Doughnut fist pumping on every error. :o The right player won today. That out of shape, over hyped, "player" got what she deserved in the end: a R1 exit.

Adrian.
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:10 PM
Dokic is 1) an annoying girl on court :o seriously and people complain of Ana :lol:
2) a fat cow whose movement are terrible and really doesn't deserve to win many matches with that shape

Fran played a bad tennis made of wrong decision, still it was enough solid to make Jelena implode


:hearts::hearts::hearts::worship::worship::worship :

Sure you will get now at least 10 bad reps. :oh::lol:

edificio
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:12 PM
Good win for Franny. Tough matchup for her. I was worried.

TheHangover
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:15 PM
Dokic is 1) an annoying girl on court :o seriously and people complain of Ana :lol:
2) a fat cow whose movement are terrible and really doesn't deserve to win many matches with that shape

Fran played a bad tennis made of wrong decision, still it was enough solid to make Jelena implode

not nice.

schiavone game on grass is useless because her topspin doesn't bounce high and the ball come to her too fast, she will be lucky if she makes the second week, but people here hyped up dokic a little bit too mutch, i mean ok she made a final last week and won a title early this year, but she is not the 2000-2002 dokic anymore

Mastodon
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:18 PM
Dokic is 1) an annoying girl on court :o seriously and people complain of Ana :lol:
2) a fat cow whose movement are terrible and really doesn't deserve to win many matches with that shape

Fran played a bad tennis made of wrong decision, still it was enough solid to make Jelena implode

What has happened to you in your life that has made you such a nasty, spiteful little fucker?

Drake1980
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:19 PM
Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mirzalover
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:20 PM
Dokic is 1) an annoying girl on court :o seriously and people complain of Ana :lol:
2) a fat cow whose movement are terrible and really doesn't deserve to win many matches with that shape

Fran played a bad tennis made of wrong decision, still it was enough solid to make Jelena implode

Rude and tacky

mirzalover
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:20 PM
Jelena could hav won and had many chances but that serve and rain didnt help. Congrats Schiavone

Fantasy Hero
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:20 PM
What has happened to you in your life that has made you such a nasty, spiteful little fucker?

my life is pretty great at the time we are talking, thank you my dear :)

Vamos Feńa
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:21 PM
:hearts::hearts::hearts::worship::worship::worship :

Sure you will get now at least 10 bad reps. :oh::lol:

I feel really sorry for you Adrian.
You hate Dokic so much for whatever reason, that you like to spy her every win/lose thread. It's sad and pathetic.
Personally I dislike or even hate Ana, but I don't behave like that. If she loses, well fine with me, but I don't have the need to express my joy in threads about her. Well maybe someday you'll understand... :rolleyes:

And you other haters - whenever Jelena is in tanking mood (gives the match after losing 1st set) or in focused/determined (fistpumps, shouts C'mon) you're clearly frustrated and are very offensive towards her. Could you please make up your mind when is she a bad player/person?

Thank you.

dsanders06
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:23 PM
Dokic played the better tennis, but she lost because of her petulant and negative attitude (rolling her eyes at the umpire, berating herself after just one bad shot, backing off majorly on key points, moaning constantly). That type of thing sends such a strong message to your opponent that you're tense. And the mental side is just as important in tennis as your groundstrokes. The only player who "deserves" to win a match is the one who gets a match point and converts it (injuries nothwithstanding).

Although I'm not a fan of Schiavone's mediocre game... AT ALL... especially on this surface... she's really living proof of how far a positive attitude and mental toughness can take you in this game. A lot of the more talented girls at the top need to sit down and take notes on her attitude.

nevetssllim
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:24 PM
Surely the roof being shut would have benefitted Dokic? :shrug: And for a player of such vast experience, the rain delay is hardly a valid excuse. The third set could have even gone either way.

.Andrew.
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:25 PM
Forza.

Ferg
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:26 PM
I cant believe so many people thought Dokic would win this :weirdo:

Darop.
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:27 PM
Dokic is 1) an annoying girl on court :o seriously and people complain of Ana :lol:
2) a fat cow whose movement are terrible and really doesn't deserve to win many matches with that shape

Fran played a bad tennis made of wrong decision, still it was enough solid to make Jelena implode

Why have all the italians become trolls on this forum lately? :rolleyes:
At least Hian is gone :haha:

Errani is just as "annoying" on court, and Oprandi is much more out of shape than Jelena; yet you're all fans of both!

Vamos Feńa
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:27 PM
^ Well she wasn't that far from doing it, was she?

BlueTrees
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:29 PM
I cant believe so many people thought Dokic would win this :weirdo:

Um wtf? You're speaking like she lost 6-2 6-2 :scratch:

danieln1
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:30 PM
I cant believe so many people thought Dokic would win this :weirdo:

In that 6-1 set Dokic played well, Francesca could do nothing... IF she played like that in the third, she would have won easily, but she´s out of shape and match practice unfortunately...

dsanders06
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:32 PM
Surely the roof being shut would have benefitted Dokic? :shrug: And for a player of such vast experience, the rain delay is hardly a valid excuse. The third set could have even gone either way.

Actually the ball bounces a bit higher under the roof, which tilts it a bit more to Schiavone's favour (due to her huge backswings).

I agree with you though that saying the rain put Dokic off is a pathetic excuse. These are professionals. The mental game is a huge part of the game, and Schiavone simply handled the distractions better, and therefore she deserved to win.

On another note, I thought it was a very high-quality match, and the atmosphere was MUCH better than you usually get for a first-round women's match. Great advert for the sport.

Ferg
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:33 PM
Um wtf? You're speaking like she lost 6-2 6-2 :scratch:

Like 70-80% of people in the WWW thread/s said she would. Whoopsies. It just shows over overrated she still is on this board.

Ferg
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:34 PM
In that 6-1 set Dokic played well, Francesca could do nothing... IF she played like that in the third, she would have won easily, but she´s out of shape and match practice unfortunately...

This is her 6th grass match in the space of 8 days. If thats not match practice, I dunno what is.

Darop.
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:36 PM
Like 70-80% of people in the WWW thread/s said she would. Whoopsies. It just shows over overrated she still is on this board.

..... so, since many people (according to you) rate her too highly, you have to berate her excessively to compensate??
Wow, great reasoning! :yeah:

Madoka
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:40 PM
did she win ?

edit : anyway francesca told the press she felt better when she played without the roof.

she prefers playing without the roof.

Ferg
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:40 PM
..... so, since many people (according to you) rate her too highly, you have to berate her excessively to compensate??
Wow, great reasoning! :yeah:

When did I berate her in the first place, excessively even? :lol: Please point it out to me. I merely said I was shocked people thought she would win this. Lawd, you Dokic fans are too much.

I love Italy
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:42 PM
Dokic fans :facepalm:

All the: she should have won, or the wrong player won-posts are so...:facepalm:

The better player won 6-4 1-6 6-3 :shrug:

Franny :yeah:

this.

Fantasy Hero
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:46 PM
Why have all the italians become trolls on this forum lately? :rolleyes:
At least Hian is gone :haha:

Errani is just as "annoying" on court, and Oprandi is much more out of shape than Jelena; yet you're all fans of both!

i don't think i'm trolling as i'm not just talking bullshit and insulting people randomly, i'm expressing my own ideas towards a player and my point is that Dokic movements are terrible due to her bad physical conditions (for example Alisa is a much better mover even though she's a lot fatter so it means dokic didn't work well on this aspect of the game), i don't think i'm talling lies if i say so as today she could hit good shots only when she didn't have to move much.

in order to defend myself from your charges: first i'm not a fan of Errani, even though i'm happy with her wins, and then i really think that shouting come on's to your opponents face every single point you make (including and mostly on UE) is really some disrespectfull. Nothing against loud screams to yourself in order to pump you up, but what Jelena did today wasn't something like that.

2nd: I think it's already clear my position as what i said few lines above is pretty meaningful, anw my point isn't about her being fat. she can be weighting 10 kilos less, but if her movements don't improve she still remains a slow cow to me :shrug: i'm my self overweight and i'm cool with it as long as i'm physically well prepared to whatever i have to do in sport. Romina's game would surely get a big benefit if she can lose some weight, but it's not necessary as she bases her game on the "touch", while i think for the kind of game Dokic plays, a better physical condition would mean a better display on court.

Darop.
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:46 PM
When did I berate her in the first place, excessively even? :lol: Please point it out to me. I merely said I was shocked people thought she would win this. Lawd, you Dokic fans are too much.

Yuh, pretty much the whole denying that the match was even close.

Get a life instead of coming into threads just to bash players :wavey:

Mixal
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:48 PM
What has happened to you in your life that has made you such a nasty, spiteful little fucker?

My thought exactly :lol:

Darop.
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:52 PM
i don't think i'm trolling as i'm not just talking bullshit and insulting people randomly, i'm expressing my own ideas towards a player and my point is that Dokic movements are terrible due to her bad physical conditions (for example Alisa is a much better mover even though she's a lot fatter so it means dokic didn't work well on this aspect of the game), i don't think i'm talling lies if i say so as today she could hit good shots only when she didn't have to move much.

in order to defend myself from your charges: first i'm not a fan of Errani, even though i'm happy with her wins, and then i really think that shouting come on's to your opponents face every single point you make (including and mostly on UE) is really some disrespectfull. Nothing against loud screams to yourself in order to pump you up, but what Jelena did today wasn't something like that.

2nd: I think it's already clear my position as what i said few lines above is pretty meaningful, anw my point isn't about her being fat. she can be weighting 10 kilos less, but if her movements don't improve she still remains a slow cow to me :shrug: i'm my self overweight and i'm cool with it as long as i'm physically well prepared to whatever i have to do in sport. Romina's game would surely get a big benefit if she can lose some weight, but it's not necessary as she bases her game on the "touch", while i think for the kind of game Dokic plays, a better physical condition would mean a better display on court.

Ok, what you wrote now is already different than this :p 2) a fat cow whose movement are terrible and really doesn't deserve to win many matches with that shape But anyways....
So what are you saying? Players who don't move well don't deserve to win matches? So I guess people like Seles and Davenport were just big disgraces to the WTA? :shrug: Than what about players who aren't "fat cows", but can't hit a hard and penetrating ball? Do they deserve to win matches?
I don't know, maybe according to you all players should be all-court, well-rounded players. That would make the tour pretty boring.

Ferg
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:53 PM
Yuh, pretty much the whole denying that the match was even close.

Get a life instead of coming into threads just to bash players :wavey:

You got me. What can I say... I fucking hate her guts. Im one of those mad ass haters who come strolling into threads of all sorts picking fights and saying Im shocked people thought a random top 100 player would beat the #6 seed. AND I WILL NEVER STOP.

UDACHi
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:53 PM
rg runner up going 3 sets with one of the biggest jokes of the past decade. :facepalm:

Nicolás89
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:55 PM
Overrated.

Viktymise
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:57 PM
Seriously. They're just as obnoxious as Jelly Doughnut fist pumping on every error.

:lol:

Sorry, but you do know who she was playing, right?

Fantasy Hero
Jun 20th, 2011, 07:58 PM
Ok, what you wrote now is already different than this :p But anyways....
So what are you saying? Players who don't move well don't deserve to win matches? So I guess people like Seles and Davenport were just big disgraces to the WTA? :shrug: Than what about players who aren't "fat cows", but can't hit a hard and penetrating ball? Do they deserve to win matches?
I don't know, maybe according to you all players should be all-court, well-rounded players. That would make the tour pretty boring.
ok so the things can be either: you are really willing to make a drama out of my word.
you didn't read what i've just wrote
i wasn't clear on telling what i meant.
...and my point is that Dokic movements are terrible due to her bad physical conditions (for example Alisa is a much better mover even though she's a lot fatter so it means dokic didn't work well on this aspect of the game)...

2nd: I think it's already clear my position as what i said few lines above is pretty meaningful, anw my point isn't about her being fat. she can be weighting 10 kilos less, but if her movements don't improve she still remains a slow cow to me :shrug: i'm my self overweight and i'm cool with it as long as i'm physically well prepared to whatever i have to do in sport. Romina's game would surely get a big benefit if she can lose some weight, but it's not necessary as she bases her game on the "touch", while i think for the kind of game Dokic plays, a better physical condition would mean a better display on court.

Darop.
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:03 PM
ok so the things can be either: you are really willing to make a drama out of my word.
you didn't read what i've just wrote
i wasn't clear on telling what i meant.

Uh, you said "she doesn't deserve to win any matches in that shape", which is objectively stupid, as if players "deserve" to win matches or not based on how they move. That's why I made examples with Seles and Davenport: according to that train of thought, Seles and Davenport were scum apparently.

sluggahjells
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:03 PM
Dokic played the better tennis, but she lost because of her petulant and negative attitude (rolling her eyes at the umpire, berating herself after just one bad shot, backing off majorly on key points, moaning constantly). That type of thing sends such a strong message to your opponent that you're tense. And the mental side is just as important in tennis as your groundstrokes. The only player who "deserves" to win a match is the one who gets a match point and converts it (injuries nothwithstanding).

Although I'm not a fan of Schiavone's mediocre game... AT ALL... especially on this surface... she's really living proof of how far a positive attitude and mental toughness can take you in this game. A lot of the more talented girls at the top need to sit down and take notes on her attitude.

"Mediocre game" :rolleyes:..........Um, okay, you have really lower your ability to analyze non-hard hitting baseliners well.

TheHangover
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:04 PM
http://www.livetennis.it/post/80380/video-del-giorno-speciale-wimbledon-la-vittoria-combattuta-di-francesca-schiavone-contro-jelena-dokic/

here some highlights of the match, but i don't know if you can see it outside of italy

Fantasy Hero
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:11 PM
Uh, you said "she doesn't deserve to win any matches in that shape", which is objectively stupid, as if players "deserve" to win matches or not based on how they move. That's why I made examples with Seles and Davenport: according to that train of thought, Seles and Davenport were scum apparently.

i still really think you really want it to be a drama, because i've said and remarked that it's not because of her fatness, as fatter players can have better movement or in that case they have a worse one, they don't "need" to move a lot because they base her game on other aspects (see Oprandi or Hantuchova which are the opposite type of body but both doesn't move that well).
i guess you got the the wrong line because the train you took wasn't mine

Bismarck.
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:15 PM
I don't know if you watched the match, but though she didn't go to net, she showed great feel of the court to Dokic in this match. She had some deft drop shots and anticipated quite well in this match.

Plu, despite it also being Schiavone a so-so returner, Jelena was winning in the middle stages of the 3rd 68% on her 2nd serve.

I only saw the final set, in which Dokic hit one (maybe two?) dropshots, and even then she only employed that tactic when there was next to no risk at all with it (like how nearly every other player on the Tour uses it). The thing is, is that I think she's quite like Dementieva with regards to her net game: she's not a poor volleyer by any stretch, she just has absolutely no aggressive instinct coming forward and that makes her incredibly easy to pass, hence her rooted positon at the baseline.

I think her anticipation was good, but she's so slow and unathletic that it doesn't compensate anywhere near enough. There were a couple of times when Fran went immediately from an extreme defensive position to hitting an offensive shot and Dokic could barely even touch the reply.

Schiavone is a so-so returner. That's easily her biggest weakness on this surface. But Dokic's serve is still poor for somebody who has had years to improve it (it's still a mirror image of what she had when she was playing juniors). Nearly every single first serve is hit flat and between the 95-105mph region and her second isn't exactly secure. Hence why it doesn't boost her game: it's too flat to be a consistently safe first serve (giving her the attacking stance in the rally at a higher percentage of the time) yet for such a flat serve it's quite slow. Fran's a bigger server than Jelly is and yet she's smaller and hits hers with more spin.

dsanders06
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:16 PM
"Mediocre game" :rolleyes:..........Um, okay, you have really lower your ability to analyze non-hard hitting baseliners well.

She DOES have a mediocre game. :shrug: That's why she was a run-of-the-mill top 20/30 player for 10 years, never remotely threatening the top of the game despite having no serious injuries or breaks from the game or (known) personal problems. And it's why, whenever she comes up against a competent baseliner who is able to even produce a modest amount of power, her (Schiavone's) groundstrokes are completely unable to cope. She's not a particularly outstanding defender either.

Full credit to her for taking full advantage of the terrible quality of the top women's players on clay in recent years, and for having the mental toughness to scrap through so many matches where she's being outplayed (like today's) - but I haven't seen any improvements in her actual GAME from when she was barely top 20.

Darop.
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:18 PM
i still really think you really want it to be a drama, because i've said and remarked that it's not because of her fatness, as fatter players can have better movement or in that case they have a worse one, they don't "need" to move a lot because they base her game on other aspects (see Oprandi or Hantuchova which are the opposite type of body but both doesn't move that well).
i guess you got the the wrong line because the train you took wasn't mine

I am not making drama, I am talking about movement as well, not fatness, and that's why your posts make no sense :shrug:

Oprandi has her touch, Hantuchova has her backhand/groundstrokes, Dokic has her first serve and groundstrokes, as did Davenport. I don't see the problem, or why you think Dokic doesn't deserve to win matches, yet others who run as fast or slower than her do.

Fantasy Hero
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:24 PM
I am not making drama, I am talking about movement as well, not fatness, and that's why your posts make no sense :shrug:

Oprandi has her touch, Hantuchova has her backhand/groundstrokes, Dokic has her first serve and groundstrokes, as did Davenport. I don't see the problem, or why you think Dokic doesn't deserve to win matches, yet others who run as fast or slower than her do.

i really think that she lacks of the ability to read the opponents game that Davemport had...then i think that Dokic games in order to being really effective she needs to run more or at least have a better foot work. quite a lot of times she didn't get adjusted for the ball she was getting.
that's why for me as long as she doesn't show a better condition she doesn't deserve to win matches, or better, she shouldn't be overhyped or get all this "she should have won", "she was the better player" etc.

FORZA SARITA
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:24 PM
funny how Kimtroll4ever and Viktymyass comes in every Fran's thread to bash her :weirdo: pissed she always beat your faves?:awww:

matty
Jun 20th, 2011, 08:39 PM
I don't mind Dokic, and I like her ground game... but....... that Jelly Roll.. OMG!!
Seriously, that is unacceptable for a pro athlete. Fitness my dear..... fitness.

People have different body types--She most likely has a ton of estrogen (makes people more fleshy)--Women with more testosterone (Kirilenko, Stosur are naturally more ripped). Dokic also suffers from depression which can make a person feel very lethargic/very tired to put it mildly. Depression is hereditary and her dad is bonkers--she didn't ask for it--she just got it handed to her. :(
If she's taking medication, this could also effect her energy levels. Some women can be skinny as can be and still have a gut--that's just where God placed most of their fat cells.

Beat
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:05 PM
How the hell does Dokic manage to lose to Schiavone on grass. :facepalm:

rg runner up going 3 sets with one of the biggest jokes of the past decade. :facepalm:

these two statements, my friends, are combined TF in a nutshell.

Beat
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:06 PM
People have different body types--She most likely has a ton of estrogen (makes people more fleshy)--Women with more testosterone (Kirilenko, Stosur are naturally more ripped).

are you saying that dokic is as fit as she can be?

homogenius
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:09 PM
Jelena had so many chances :(

LindsayRulz
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:14 PM
Jelena :sobbing:

Adrian.
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:15 PM
I feel really sorry for you Adrian.
You hate Dokic so much for whatever reason, that you like to spy her every win/lose thread. It's sad and pathetic.
Personally I dislike or even hate Ana, but I don't behave like that. If she loses, well fine with me, but I don't have the need to express my joy in threads about her. Well maybe someday you'll understand... :rolleyes:

And you other haters - whenever Jelena is in tanking mood (gives the match after losing 1st set) or in focused/determined (fistpumps, shouts C'mon) you're clearly frustrated and are very offensive towards her. Could you please make up your mind when is she a bad player/person?

Thank you.

Did I offend her? :weirdo:
I don't hate her, but all her fans that are trolling around and always find excuses why she lost...:rolleyes:

Thank you :facepalm:

Mistress of Evil
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:20 PM
these two statements, my friends, are combined TF in a nutshell.

TF is bipolar :inlove: how can a person not love it :hearts:

cn ireland
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:24 PM
Absolutely gutted for Jelena:sobbing:

She played so well for most of the match:(!!

sluggahjells
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:44 PM
She DOES have a mediocre game. :shrug: That's why she was a run-of-the-mill top 20/30 player for 10 years, never remotely threatening the top of the game despite having no serious injuries or breaks from the game or (known) personal problems. And it's why, whenever she comes up against a competent baseliner who is able to even produce a modest amount of power, her (Schiavone's) groundstrokes are completely unable to cope. She's not a particularly outstanding defender either.

Full credit to her for taking full advantage of the terrible quality of the top women's players on clay in recent years, and for having the mental toughness to scrap through so many matches where she's being outplayed (like today's) - but I haven't seen any improvements in her actual GAME from when she was barely top 20.

:facepalm:

She's IMPROVED.....Her forehand doesn't break down like it did for many years against the top players, and she BELIEVES more now. Both Navratilova and John McEnroe said she should have been a Top 10 player for years in the background, but she just never believed truly in herself to cease the moment, until last May.

Look, we know the "top of the game" doesn't have multiple Grand Slam winners like it was a decade ago when it had like 5 or 6. But the depth of the game, and how tough the tour is, is WAY STRONGER now than ever before.

Just look at the results today with solid, talented seeded players now losing to lower ranked players in the early days of a Grand Slam. The fields are harder, the game is more physical, and anyone who can't see how Schiavone and Na Li improved WHILE the tour got harder and stronger as a whole is really quite myopic.

propi
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:49 PM
Forza Paca :yeah::yeah:
Please try to improve for your next round match :cheer:

dsanders06
Jun 20th, 2011, 09:58 PM
Depression is hereditary and her dad is bonkers--she didn't ask for it--she just got it handed to her. :(

Depression =/= "bonkers"

But the depth of the game, and how tough the tour is, is WAY STRONGER now than ever before.

:happy:

The depth isn't better, it's just the top players are of a lower quality than they were 5-10 years ago. Why do you think Kim has won a couple of Slams despite clearly playing worse tennis than she did when she was losing in the final or semis in the middle of the last decade?

I put Li in a different bracket to Schiavone though - Na has ALWAYS had the talent to win Slams, hence why she was pulling off the occassional big upset as far back as 2005/2006 - her issues were injuries, the fact she took a two-year break from the game, and some mental issues. Schiavone, on the other hand, has been consistently physically healthy, took no breaks, and NEVER got big wins until last year - she was always just consistently unspectacular (whereas Li was occasionally brilliant, often dire).

C. Drone
Jun 20th, 2011, 10:00 PM
too bad for Dokic... should have won this. *smh*

Vamos Feńa
Jun 20th, 2011, 10:05 PM
I feel really sorry for you Adrian.
You hate Dokic so much for whatever reason, that you like to spy her every win/lose thread. It's sad and pathetic.
Personally I dislike or even hate Ana, but I don't behave like that. If she loses, well fine with me, but I don't have the need to express my joy in threads about her. Well maybe someday you'll understand...

And you other haters - whenever Jelena is in tanking mood (gives the match after losing 1st set) or in focused/determined (fistpumps, shouts C'mon) you're clearly frustrated and are very offensive towards her. Could you please make up your mind when is she a bad player/person?

Thank you.
Did I offend her? :weirdo:

Not this time. However you trolled in her lose thread once again, showing your joy and happiness. Most of Dokictards are familiar with your negativity towards her... Seriously just how low are you willing to sink with that attitude of yours?

I don't hate her, but all her fans that are trolling around and always find excuses why she lost...:rolleyes:

Thank you :facepalm:
So... You decided to write some stuff about Jelena's easy draw in Rosmalen, and you're worshipping someone's post, which says that Jelena is a fat cow only because Jelena's fans annoy you?

I don't know why I even bother explaining it to you. You clearly won't understand a thing...

Broseghini
Jun 20th, 2011, 10:06 PM
Jelena :sobbing:

madmax
Jun 20th, 2011, 10:19 PM
:facepalm:

She's IMPROVED.....Her forehand doesn't break down like it did for many years against the top players, and she BELIEVES more now. Both Navratilova and John McEnroe said she should have been a Top 10 player for years in the background, but she just never believed truly in herself to cease the moment, until last May.

Look, we know the "top of the game" doesn't have multiple Grand Slam winners like it was a decade ago when it had like 5 or 6. But the depth of the game, and how tough the tour is, is WAY STRONGER now than ever before.

Just look at the results today with solid, talented seeded players now losing to lower ranked players in the early days of a Grand Slam. The fields are harder, the game is more physical, and anyone who can't see how Schiavone and Na Li improved WHILE the tour got harder and stronger as a whole is really quite myopic.

you are clearly delusional if you believe that the tour is better now than it was 5 or 6 years ago. Plenty of veterans are seizing the opportunity to muster slam titles in this chaotic transitional era - Kim is winning all hardcourt slams while playing mediocre tennis and Schiavone is peaking for French Open, knowing perfectly that no one on tour knows how to play on clay anymore. This isn't "improved" depth - it's called opportunism. We had the same situation with ATP 10 years ago, when Hewitt was doing the same after Sampras declined and retired and before Roger got his game together. Just because you wish the tour was better doesn't necessarilly make it true

Mashabator
Jun 20th, 2011, 10:38 PM
rain always fucking fucks here over, here just like it did it rosmalen. she. playing good then it starts raining

#1SteffiGraf#1
Jun 20th, 2011, 11:13 PM
Love watching Jelena. Maybe she can finally stay healthy for a few years in a row???

Touhg loss, but good sign!

sluggahjells
Jun 20th, 2011, 11:35 PM
Depression =/= "bonkers"



:happy:

The depth isn't better, it's just the top players are of a lower quality than they were 5-10 years ago. Why do you think Kim has won a couple of Slams despite clearly playing worse tennis than she did when she was losing in the final or semis in the middle of the last decade?

I put Li in a different bracket to Schiavone though - Na has ALWAYS had the talent to win Slams, hence why she was pulling off the occassional big upset as far back as 2005/2006 - her issues were injuries, the fact she took a two-year break from the game, and some mental issues. Schiavone, on the other hand, has been consistently physically healthy, took no breaks, and NEVER got big wins until last year - she was always just consistently unspectacular (whereas Li was occasionally brilliant, often dire).

you are clearly delusional if you believe that the tour is better now than it was 5 or 6 years ago. Plenty of veterans are seizing the opportunity to muster slam titles in this chaotic transitional era - Kim is winning all hardcourt slams while playing mediocre tennis and Schiavone is peaking for French Open, knowing perfectly that no one on tour knows how to play on clay anymore. This isn't "improved" depth - it's called opportunism. We had the same situation with ATP 10 years ago, when Hewitt was doing the same after Sampras declined and retired and before Roger got his game together. Just because you wish the tour was better doesn't necessarilly make it true

Oh dear, LOL:lol:

Again, it seems like you guys just once a few players matches, namely your fav, and don't truly analyze the game.

Now, yes, the WTA is where the men where a decade ago, but the men back then WERE getting stronger in depth just like the women are. Whatever anyone feels about him or not, Lleyton Hewitt helped raise the ATP to a higher level. His defense and counterpunching made Federer become better, and more focused to know how to be him, be just as good defensively as he is offensively, and there you go.

The tour is better, and just because your fav isn't winning like you think she should, :lol:, doesn't mean that the tour is mediocre and not good.

Freakan
Jun 20th, 2011, 11:36 PM
Even Schiavone admitted the rain delay really helped her...

Andy.
Jun 20th, 2011, 11:54 PM
I'm so dissapointed for Jelena. She was playing really well and had many chances to take this match. Bloody rain delay. Hopefully she can stay healthy and have a good US hardcourt season. With a good run she might even sneak a seeding for the US Open.

young_gunner913
Jun 20th, 2011, 11:57 PM
I love how all these Dokic fans are coming in here crying about the rain delay. Was it me, or did she not have 4 bp's at 3-5 in the third set? :lol: Yeah, the rain really screwed her over... Her inability to play well on a big point had nothing to do with it what so ever.

tennisforadults
Jun 20th, 2011, 11:59 PM
Even Schiavone admitted the rain delay really helped her...

Absolutely. She's just taking advantage of the circumstances. So credit to her.

According to news...

"I started the third set and I couldn't understand why she was playing so aggressive and I couldn't move her," Schiavone said. "So at the end I said, 'Something is not working'.

"When they put the roof [on] I went back to the locker room and I spoke with Barazzutti. He said something to me, something that was really important. So I came back and I was playing better."

Poor Jelly. Still a long year to build on your results. Keep it up!

tennisforadults
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:02 AM
I love how all these Dokic fans are coming in here crying about the rain delay. Was it me, or did she not have 4 bp's at 3-5 in the third set? :lol: Yeah, the rain really screwed her over... Her inability to play well on a big point had nothing to do with it what so ever.

Schiavone got coaching advice during the break to dig herself out. Not suggesting she was "cheating". But there's a valid reason for Dokic fans to be crying about the rain.

wateva
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:10 AM
dokic looked really slim in KL but really ballooned here! :sad:

Bonfire
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:23 AM
Congrats Fran! This was one of those matches where I found myself rooting for each player back and forth, back and forth. Like...come on Jelena you can do it, then next minute...Come on Fran, prove you can play on grass. Then back again:lol:

CrossCourt~Rally
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:24 AM
I didn't get to see any of this match. It's always tough when 2 of your faves play in the 1st rd of a slam =-/.

Congrats to Fran on the win :yeah: Hopefully she can win atleast a couple more matches this week :bounce:.

Jelly :hug: Such a tough loss after her nice run last week :awww:

young_gunner913
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:31 AM
Schiavone got coaching advice during the break to dig herself out. Not suggesting she was "cheating". But there's a valid reason for Dokic fans to be crying about the rain.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Bottom line is, Dokic had her chances and she squandered them. Plain and simple. There's always some alternative reason behind her losses, it's a bunch of bullcrap.

Josh.
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:32 AM
Really tough one for Jelena to swallow. Hopefully she takes the positives out of this going into the HC season.

Lapin
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:54 AM
Well done Francesca!! :bigclap:

longtin23
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:57 AM
Franny :)

hankqq
Jun 21st, 2011, 01:13 AM
It's a shame these 2 had to face off in the 1st rd :o :sad: While the quality was up and down, it was highly competitive and enjoyable :shrug: :yeah:

dsanders06
Jun 21st, 2011, 01:19 AM
Schiavone got coaching advice during the break to dig herself out. Not suggesting she was "cheating". But there's a valid reason for Dokic fans to be crying about the rain.

No. Dokic actually had a good chance even after the rain delay/roof - she pulled it back to 3-3, and all the momentum was with her ... then she blew it with her negative attitude and obvious tension. Had the delay not happened, she probably would've found something else to get irritated by and subsequently let the match slip away.

The fact is that, at crunch time, Dokic shrank from the moment while Schiavone embraced it.

dsanders06
Jun 21st, 2011, 01:22 AM
Oh dear, LOL:lol:

Again, it seems like you guys just once a few players matches, namely your fav, and don't truly analyze the game.

Now, yes, the WTA is where the men where a decade ago, but the men back then WERE getting stronger in depth just like the women are. Whatever anyone feels about him or not, Lleyton Hewitt helped raise the ATP to a higher level. His defense and counterpunching made Federer become better, and more focused to know how to be him, be just as good defensively as he is offensively, and there you go.

The tour is better, and just because your fav isn't winning like you think she should, :lol:, doesn't mean that the tour is mediocre and not good.

Fyi, Kim is my second favourite player, and Na will probably soon become my 3rd favourite - so if I was shallow enough to assess how strong the game is based on how my favourites are doing, I'd love it right now, seeing as they've been dominating the Slams. But I can recognise that Kim's playing worse tennis than when she was regularly going out in the semis in 2006 - and that's the litmus test of how strong the game is at the top, and it's why a former journeywoman with mental toughness like Schiavone is able to step in the vacuum despite no technical improvements in her game.

So Disrespectful
Jun 21st, 2011, 02:47 AM
Jelena definitely looked stronger going into the third set, but the rain delay really changed everything. She didn't take her chances in the first or third sets and this is the result. She needs to work on her movement obviously, and with a bit of match toughness she'll be able to fight her way out of these situations. I hope she's encouraged by this match though, because she's definitely a high calibre player when she's in form.

Oh and to those who call her a ballbasher; yes her game revolves around hard, flat groundstrokes, but she also plays the dropshot fantastically, has solid topspin lobs and can even volley a bit when she's not being too passive (which she unfortunately was during this match).

Basically, Schiavone handled the big points better towards the end.

tiffanykatya.
Jun 21st, 2011, 02:51 AM
Poor Jelena..
didn't grab the chances in first set and rain ruined the final set :(

~Eclipsed~
Jun 21st, 2011, 03:29 AM
Poor Jelena. :sad:

Really thought she'd win this one, but hopefully she doesn't get too discouraged by this. With a little tweaking she should be good to go! :cool:

Mrs. Dimitrova
Jun 21st, 2011, 03:44 AM
I'm so heartbroken. :sobbing: Great play from Jelena but she wasted a lot of opportunities to win. Hope she keeps up the form.

Root
Jun 21st, 2011, 03:51 AM
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Bottom line is, Dokic had her chances and she squandered them. Plain and simple. There's always some alternative reason behind her losses, it's a bunch of bullcrap.

I'll have to agree with this. How many chances for conversion did she have and not one was made use of? If you can't make use of them, you don't deserve to win the match even if you were the better player throughout the match. Tough luck for her, she wasn't able to make it through the big points whilst Francesca did.

The match was too good for a R1 match. Hope she keeps up the form for the US season.

Mashabator
Jun 21st, 2011, 04:10 AM
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Bottom line is, Dokic had her chances and she squandered them. Plain and simple. There's always some alternative reason behind her losses, it's a bunch of bullcrap.

Whinging, whinging, whinging. Any fan says reasons why they thought they lost. If u don't like Dokic or her fans well don't enter threads concerning her.

claypova
Jun 21st, 2011, 05:43 AM
no no no jelena :sobbing: all those opportunities :o

nonetheless, promising match, hopefully she can avoid tough draws during US hardcourts :tears:

Navratil
Jun 21st, 2011, 06:53 AM
Dokic wasted a lot of chances. The rain delay helped Schiavone. But Dokic had her chances, came back to 3:3 and had chances to break back at 3:5.

Navratil
Jun 21st, 2011, 06:58 AM
Interesting discussion if Schiavone improved her game or only her ranking the last year ;)

I think she got better, more solid and more aggressive. But not that much to explain this jump in the rankings. The tour is definitly weaker now than 4-10 years ago with the Williams-sisters, Davenport, Henin, Clijsters, Capriati, Hingis etc.

Beat
Jun 21st, 2011, 07:41 AM
Whinging, whinging, whinging. Any fan says reasons why they thought they lost. If u don't like Dokic or her fans well don't enter threads concerning her.

result threads are not fan threads.

brodle1
Jun 21st, 2011, 08:12 AM
I put Li in a different bracket to Schiavone though - Na has ALWAYS had the talent to win Slams, hence why she was pulling off the occassional big upset as far back as 2005/2006 - her issues were injuries, the fact she took a two-year break from the game, and some mental issues. Schiavone, on the other hand, has been consistently physically healthy, took no breaks, and NEVER got big wins until last year - she was always just consistently unspectacular (whereas Li was occasionally brilliant, often dire).

I agree with what you said about Li, but Schiavone I'm not so sure. I think that she always played a bit under her ability and that she's is largely a different player post-RG. I think the confidence that she gained from that win has changed her greatly. I mean, this is the same player that played in quite a few finals before putting one together so she hasn't always been as mentally "tough" as many people seem to think. I think Fran has gotten a little better every year after she got over that hump of winning a tournament, and while I was surprised about her winning RG I always thought she should perform better, especially on clay, than she had.

SM
Jun 21st, 2011, 08:20 AM
i thought Jelena would win but she played a seed so of course anything could happen.....nice try anyway

Jeff
Jun 21st, 2011, 08:31 AM
This was a great draw and opportunity for Dokic. I really thought that her performance in Holland would translate well here, also considering she hadn't lost to Fran before.

Hopefully this doesn't discourage the rest of her year. It was great to see her playing on Centre Court.

T_P
Jun 21st, 2011, 08:35 AM
When did Dokic become this fat :o
She still strikes the ball beautifully though.

FedererBulgaria
Jun 21st, 2011, 08:49 AM
I really like Dokic,BUT she was so arrogant,i just said cmon Fran show this ***** who is the boss... :o:o:o

John.
Jun 21st, 2011, 09:13 AM
Congrats Fran

Jelena :hug:

KarlyM*
Jun 21st, 2011, 09:27 AM
I was surprised by this result. Good for Fran. :)

Jelena :awww:

Graf~Dokic
Jun 21st, 2011, 10:39 AM
Jelena :sad: :hug: What a shame she lost. She played outstandingly well in the 2nd set. That was clearly top 5 tennis. Too bad the rain relay interrupted her rhythm.

Graf~Dokic
Jun 21st, 2011, 10:40 AM
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Bottom line is, Dokic had her chances and she squandered them. Plain and simple. There's always some alternative reason behind her losses, it's a bunch of bullcrap.

Did you even watch the match? :spit: :help:

Adrian.
Jun 21st, 2011, 10:47 AM
Jelena :sad: :hug: What a shame she lost. She played outstandingly well in the 2nd set. That was clearly top 5 tennis. Too bad the rain relay interrupted her rhythm.

TOP 5? :haha::rolls::haha:
OMFG :hysteric:

Rosa-Brille? :rolleyes::cuckoo:

Dokic fans :facepalm:

Pops Maellard
Jun 21st, 2011, 10:51 AM
Jelly's a mess. :hug: I really admire her fans for sticking with her. Few players put their fans through more crap. :lol:

Just Do It
Jun 21st, 2011, 10:55 AM
TOP 5? :haha::rolls::haha:
OMFG :hysteric:

Rosa-Brille? :rolleyes::cuckoo:

Dokic fans :facepalm:

Will you EVER just go away ? :tears:

doooma6816
Jun 21st, 2011, 10:57 AM
Jelena played so good...I think rain didn't help her. But if she improves, she'll be seeded for US Open. ;)

Adrian.
Jun 21st, 2011, 10:58 AM
Will you EVER just go away ? :tears:

Not if I read such bulls**t :oh:

Graf~Dokic
Jun 21st, 2011, 11:16 AM
TOP 5? :haha::rolls::haha:
OMFG :hysteric:

Rosa-Brille? :rolleyes::cuckoo:

Dokic fans :facepalm:

Ja, im 2. Satz war das Top 5 Niveau. Selbstverständlich. In den Sätzen 1 und 3 nicht, aber davon habe ich ja auch nichts geschrieben. ;) Hast du das Match überhaupt gesehen? :lol:

Graf~Dokic
Jun 21st, 2011, 11:19 AM
result threads are not fan threads.

But result threads also aren't threads where people can come to insult players they obviously don't like and post bullshit over and over again.

Graf~Dokic
Jun 21st, 2011, 11:22 AM
DOKIC : COME ON !!!


doenst she say come on anymore now ??

i have been disgusted by her screaming at francesca's face come on after every single point.

im not a dokic hater, but after all these xcreamings and fistpumps i am so happy she lost.

So you must hate Ivanovic even more...

young_gunner913
Jun 21st, 2011, 11:56 AM
Did you even watch the match? :spit: :help:

Yeah I did. Great outcome. Did you? :wavey:

jrm
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:00 PM
happy on more than one level :woohoo:

Darop.
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:03 PM
DOKIC : COME ON !!!


doenst she say come on anymore now ??

i have been disgusted by her screaming at francesca's face come on after every single point.

im not a dokic hater, but after all these xcreamings and fistpumps i am so happy she lost.

I don't think you've ever played any sport at a decent level, otherwise you'd know that on court you have to hate your opponent; not the person itself, but the opponent.

I mean, just look at Serena when she plays tight/important matches. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, it's what professional sports is all about.

Graf~Dokic
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:03 PM
Yeah I did. Great outcome. Did you? :wavey:

Haha, how funny :rolleyes: Yes, I watched it, too. And when on, Jelena was the better player by far, she totally outplayed Schiavone in the 2nd set. You agree with me on that, don't you?

ElusiveChanteuse
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:08 PM
Well, she got outplayed by Fran in the third.:shrug: and hence winning the set and the match.:shrug: :wavey:

young_gunner913
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:10 PM
Haha, how funny :rolleyes: Yes, I watched it, too. And when on, Jelena was the better player by far, she totally outplayed Schiavone in the 2nd set. You agree with me on that, don't you?

She was hitting harder and hitting more winners, that doesn't mean she's the better player. The second set, she outplayed Schiavone but a tennis match isn't decided by 1 set.

Graf~Dokic
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:13 PM
She was hitting harder and hitting more winners, that doesn't mean she's the better player.

Well, I'm not only talking about her winners. She also played some good slices, good drop shots, good drop shot/lob combos. She didn't only hit hard. ;)

The second set, she outplayed Schiavone but a tennis match isn't decided by 1 set.

Yes, and that's why Schiavone deserved to win.

Just Do It
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:24 PM
Not if I read such bulls**t :oh:

Yeah I did. Great outcome. Did you? :wavey:

happy on more than one level :woohoo:

Well, she got outplayed by Fran in the third.:shrug: and hence winning the set and the match.:shrug: :wavey:

Trolls :help:

Calypso
Jun 21st, 2011, 12:39 PM
Congs Francesca!

Adrian.
Jun 21st, 2011, 02:29 PM
Trolls :help:

And you are our master :bowdown::devil::oh:

sluggahjells
Jun 21st, 2011, 03:24 PM
Fyi, Kim is my second favourite player, and Na will probably soon become my 3rd favourite - so if I was shallow enough to assess how strong the game is based on how my favourites are doing, I'd love it right now, seeing as they've been dominating the Slams. But I can recognise that Kim's playing worse tennis than when she was regularly going out in the semis in 2006 - and that's the litmus test of how strong the game is at the top, and it's why a former journeywoman with mental toughness like Schiavone is able to step in the vacuum despite no technical improvements in her game.

Kim was paying better in 2009 and 2010 than she did in 2006.

More belief and pace on her forehand than what she was before, as well as just a little sharpness on her serve.

*Jean*
Jun 21st, 2011, 05:06 PM
good match from Jelena :( would have deserved to win that one